129 A Chat With My Dad Part 3

Summary

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Medical Medium Podcast

Episode 129: A Chat With My Dad – Part 3

Host: Anthony William
Guest: Anthony’s Dad
Date: March 11, 2026

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Episode Overview

This heartwarming episode continues the "A Chat With My Dad" series, where Anthony William shares a personal and insightful conversation with his father. The episode is a nostalgic journey through family stories, focusing on heritage, the magic of homegrown gardens, life lessons from nature, ancestral wisdom, and the deep generational ties connecting food, healing, and family. The tone is candid, warm, and filled with laughter, touching on moments of vulnerability as well as fun.

Anthony and his dad recall childhood memories—mischievous fruit-picking adventures, the challenges of growing up, cultural heritage, and the roots of Anthony’s passion for healing with food. The episode acts as both an oral history and practical guidance for healing and connecting to the nourishing power of nature.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Magic of Homegrown Fruit (00:47–13:39)

• Fresh Citrus Ritual:
  Anthony’s dad talks about juicing Valencia oranges straight from his trees, describing a backyard filled with diverse citrus species.
  “I picked them and I juiced them.” (01:48, Dad)

• The Legendary Ponderosa Lemon:
  Dad reminisces about the giant, thick-skinned lemons from his yard and explains why Ponderosa is his favorite.
  “It’s the size of a softball. The taste… Not too tart, not too sweet…” (02:56, Dad)

• Wild Childhood Fruit Foraging:
  Sharing a humorous but painful story, Dad tells of sneaking into a lemon orchard as a child and getting pricked by thorns, leading to a bloody trip home and a lesson in “karma.”
  “It’s called karma.” (06:20, Dad)
  The story weaves in cherished memories of picking wild berries and fruits—cherries, mulberries, black raspberries—growing up with a sense of adventure and wonder for nature.

2. Generational Gardens: Heirlooms, Healing, and Heritage (09:47–15:01)

• Great Grandpa’s Italian Garden:
  Dad fondly recalls his immigrant father’s garden—grapevines forming a tunnel, wine grapes, heirloom pears, figs against a stone wall, lush tomato varieties, and an array of vegetables and berries.

  • “My grandfather was from Italy and he was a landscaper by trade… His entrance was a tunnel of grapevines.” (10:11, Dad)

• Grape Tunnel Memories:
  “The smell of the grapes when you're walking through is something you can't forget.” (13:23, Dad)

  • Grapes were mainly for homemade wine, but young Anthony insisted they could be healing as grape juice.
  • “Spirit was telling me, use it for fresh grape juice. That’s where the healing is.” (14:38, Anthony)

• Pears for Healing—A Life-Saving Story:
  As a child, Anthony once suffered from serious food poisoning. Spirit directed him to eat only pears from his great grandfather’s tree, leading to rapid healing.

  • “‘Spirit says I’m to eat nothing but these ripe pears and I’ll heal.’ … And I recover rapidly.” (17:17, Anthony, quoting from Medical Medium)

3. The Lineage of Peppers & Family Food Traditions (15:19–23:16)

• The First Hot Pepper Tale:
  Anthony remembers his first encounter with a homegrown hot pepper (despite Spirit’s warnings not to eat it), resulting in burning pain relieved by fresh tomato from the garden.

  • “I’m my own person. I didn’t care what Spirit said.” (20:05, Anthony)
  • “Spirit said, grab a ripe tomato right off the vine. Right there in the same garden. … It started calming it down.” (20:32, Anthony)

• Three Generations Learning the Hard Way:
  Dad reveals that his own introduction to hot peppers as a child was similarly traumatic—which happened to his father before him as well.

  • “That’s three in a row.” (22:18, Dad)

• Becoming a Pepper Keeper:
  Saving heirloom seeds becomes a mission of legacy.
  “I want to keep these seeds going. I inherited them, so I want to, generation after generation, keep the seeds going. Like a legacy.” (23:16, Dad)

4. Everyday Healing from the Garden (23:33–27:48)

• Hot Peppers in Daily Life:
  Dad describes his signature guacamole, made with homegrown “heaterator” peppers—a variety developed and named within the family.
  “The peppers I use in my guacamole are called heaterators.” (24:59, Dad)

  • These peppers are “hot” with a “sneaky sweet edge,” burn the mouth but are gentle on the stomach.

• Avocado Appreciation:
  The discussion turns to the many varieties Anthony grows, especially the “bacon” avocado, Dad’s favorite.
  “At least I’m always learning. Spirit helps a lot.” (26:23, Anthony)

• Intergenerational Gardens:
  Both father and son share their roles in each other’s gardens, exchanging knowledge, seeds, and support.

5. Life Wisdom & Encouragement (27:48–28:10)

• Healing Takes Steps
  Dad offers comfort to struggling listeners:
  “There’s an old saying, step at a time. That’s how you have to go through life. Step at a time. Like healing. Healing takes step at a time. You’ll get there.” (27:48, Dad)

• Father-Son Connection:
  The section closes with a simple, resonant exchange:
  “Love you, Dad.” (28:09, Anthony)
  “Love you too.” (28:10, Dad)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Living with symptoms has become the new normal. So no more guessing games. It's time to get answers.” (00:01, Anthony)
• “We probably could have asked him for some lemons, and he probably would have gave them to us… Instead, we got pricked by thorns.” (05:00, Dad)
• “It's nature that teaches you the most and means the most.” (09:14, Dad)
• “Spirit said I’m to eat nothing but these ripe pears and I’ll heal.” (17:17, Anthony)
• “I want to keep these seeds going… Like a legacy.” (23:16, Dad)
• “There's an old saying, step at a time. That's how you have to go through life. Like healing. Healing takes step at a time.” (27:48, Dad)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:47–03:14 — Fresh citrus stories and the allure of the Ponderosa lemon
• 03:33–06:33 — Childhood lemon tree adventure and its lesson
• 07:08–09:37 — Wild fruit foraging memories; life lessons from nature
• 10:11–14:38 — Great Grandpa’s garden: grapevines, pear trees, healing family traditions
• 15:19–17:33 — Anthony’s childhood food poisoning and healing with heirloom pears
• 19:15–22:37 — The first hot pepper: family tales through three generations
• 23:16–24:46 — The heirloom pepper legacy and seed-saving mission
• 24:52–26:06 — Guacamole ritual: “heaterator” hot peppers and avocado types
• 27:48–28:10 — Dad’s advice: “Healing takes step at a time”

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Tone & Language

The conversation is approachable, storytelling, occasionally humorous, and always heartfelt. Anthony is candid about his childhood sensitivities and spiritual guidance, while his dad offers reminisces that are both playful and sincere. The mood is light but never trivial, inviting listeners to find meaning in personal and family history while encouraging hope and patience in the healing journey.

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For New Listeners

This episode offers:

• Practical wisdom for healing from chronic symptoms, rooted in time-honored family traditions.
• Inspiration to connect with nature, garden, and the generational stories that shape health and resilience.
• A rare glimpse into the family roots and personal side of the Medical Medium, emphasizing the healing power of simplicity, patience, and home-grown food.

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Transcript

[A]

How many people do you know who struggle with their health? Chances are, whether they show it or not, most of the people in your life do. And chances are you're one of them. Whether you're dealing with anxiety, depression, endometriosis, acne, eczema, autoimmune, thyroid Lyme, brain fog, fatigue, or any other symptom or condition, you're far from alone. Living with symptoms has become the new normal. So no more guessing games. It's time to get answers. Welcome to the Medical Medium podcast. I'm Anthony Williams. Here we are, part three, A chat with my dad. And I got him here with me right now.

[B]

Yeah, I'm feeling comfortable.

[A]

I'm excited about this episode. We're gonna cover a lot of topics. We're gonna talk about my childhood and. And your childhood. Dad, did you ever think we were going to be doing this? Like doing podcasts together?

[B]

Never. Never thought we'd be doing this.

[A]

Do you think it's fun?

[B]

I'm having a good time.

[A]

Have you been reading the comments from everybody?

[B]

Yeah. It's fantastic. And it's very heartwarming.

[A]

It really is. I'm reading all the comments. The medical medium community is the most compassionate, most heartfelt, and really the smartest community in health there is out there.

[B]

And really great people.

[A]

All right, I think we're ready to do this.

[B]

I'm ready.

[A]

Everyone, fasten your seatbelts and strap yourself in, because you're taking a ride with me and my dad. Here we are. I'm excited. Part three, dad.

[B]

Yeah. And I'm drinking my Valencia orange juice from my trees.

[A]

Can you tell us a little bit about that?

[B]

I picked them and I juiced them.

[A]

Fresh squeezed orange juice. Right. From your own trees.

[B]

Right. We have a whole variety of trees. Different grapefruits, different lemons, different limes, tangerines, oranges and pummelos. And my favorite one Ponderosa lemon.

[A]

It went out into the yard, you got yourself some oranges, you squeezed them. Can't get any fresher than that, right?

[B]

Nope.

[A]

And here we are.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Dad, are you still Mike shy?

[B]

Of course I am.

[A]

Because it seems like it.

[B]

I am.

[A]

So, dad, why is the Ponderosa Lemon your favorite?

[B]

Because it's a large lemon. Well, it's huge.

[A]

It really is.

[B]

Yeah. But the skin. The skin is real thick on it. That deceives you. The lemon inside isn't that big, but it's still like, I would say the size of a grapefruit inside the lemon.

[A]

So once when we're explaining this to people so they know because they think a lemon's, like, small.

[B]

Right.

[A]

The kind you go to the store, you buy the small lemon. This thing's like a softball.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. The size of a softball. And the taste of it is not too tart, not too sweet. Like, in between, it's really nice. It's really a nice flavor.

[A]

Yeah. Because some lemons, they could really bite you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's somewhat mild and delicious.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When I come over your house, I see those babies on the tree, and they're huge.

[B]

And the other thing, you never see it in a grocery store, ever.

[A]

No way. So, dad, you've always had a connection to lemons going back to your childhood. It's a story I can never forget. You feel up to sharing it?

[B]

Yeah, sure. So me and my friends were walking home from school one day and we noticed down this hill was a bunch of trees. And they had fruit on them. And we never saw that before, but they were yellow.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And we decided that evening we were gonna go back down and pick whatever they were. So that evening we met, and we went down and it was really dark. We went down and we started climbing the trees. They were a good size. And I noticed that I thought I was sweating a lot. And it turned out to where I had a T shirt on. And I started feeling it, and I looked and it was all red, dark red. And I didn't know what happened to me, but it was coming from my head, my temple, and it was blood.

[A]

This is scary.

[B]

Turned out these were lemon trees and they had these sharp thorns on them. You see, we weren't supposed to be in these lemon trees. They belonged to somebody, a nice old man. And we're up in his trees trying to take some lemons. Never got the chance because I got stuck by a thorn. Panicked, we all jumped out of the trees and start running home.

[A]

So what happened next?

[B]

Well, I. I ran home screaming. And my mother was in a big panic. I was loaded with blood all over me.

[A]

So he came into the house, bleeding everywhere.

[B]

Yeah. And she found the wound and put a towel on my head, and it stopped, and everything was okay.

[A]

So, what did Grandma say next?

[B]

Well, I told her we were up in a lemon tree trying to pick lemons. She said, where is there a lemon tree? And I told her down the street, and she says, I never seen a lemon tree before.

[A]

She found out that you kids were up to no good.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

So, dad, how do we know who owned the trees? That it was a nice old man

[B]

on a Saturday? I was walking by there and looking down, and I saw the old man working in his garden. He had tomatoes also. He was growing. That's how we knew. The thing is, we probably could have asked him for some lemons, and he probably would have gave them to us.

[A]

He would have picked the lemons right off the tree for you guys and would have handed them to you.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But you guys wanted to climb those trees at night.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Pick those lemons. And you got injured from doing that.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So there's kind of like a lesson involved in that one.

[B]

Yeah. It's called karma. Yeah. Now that I think more about it, I got pricked in the temple. Never felt it. And all that blood came out. Never felt pain from it.

[A]

Well, you could have gotten pricked in the eyeball with those thorns. That's how dangerous.

[B]

Yeah, because it was dark. That's why. Yeah, sure.

[A]

This guy must have been special to have a lemon tree like that back in this day in his yard. And I don't think. I think that was rare in that area. I don't think there were really many lemon trees.

[B]

There wasn't. That was the first time I ever

[A]

saw one, because that was up north in a cold climate where the winters are freezing cold. So, dad, what made you want to climb this lemon tree and take lemons at night? Like, what drove you to do this?

[B]

We always picked wild fruits, like berries, raspberries, blackberries, even wild strawberries. They were small but delicious.

[A]

What about black raspberries?

[B]

Black raspberries also. We would also pick cherries and mulberries. There were giant trees back then of mulberries, but we never picked those berries and fruits at nighttime. This was on somebody's property, and that's why we went there at night to pick the lemons. We'd never seen lemons on a tree before. It was a good lesson we learned.

[A]

So, dad, do you think this is why maybe you love your Ponderosa lemon so much that you talk about all the time?

[B]

It could be.

[A]

Well, let's talk about the next lesson, dad. Okay. So that was when you were a little kid.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now tell us another fruit story. When you were about 14, this was

[B]

another somebody else's property thing. It was four of us, and my older friend just got his driver's license, and he borrowed his father's pickup truck. And we knew about this cherry tree. Cherries were ripe, and it was close to the road, but it was on somebody's property near their house. And we pulled up. It was at nighttime.

[A]

Nighttime again?

[B]

Yeah. And we started. There was Three of us on the bed of the pickup truck, and we were picking cherries right away, as many as we could. The owner saw us, heard us and came out yelling at us. And my friend took off in his truck with us on the bed. We went flying all over the place, inside the bed and got lumped up and bruised up.

[A]

And how many cherries did you end up with?

[B]

Not many at all. Hardly any.

[A]

Instead of being at the soda fountain or whatever they called it back then, the soda pop shop or the drugstore, getting a root bear float or something. You had a passion for fruit trees as a kid?

[B]

I was focused on nature. I was focused on the frogs and the caulks and the crows and the owls and the trees and the nut trees and just nature itself. In the end, it's the lesson I learned. It's what really matters. It's nature that teaches you the most and means the most.

[A]

Because God and nature are really one and the same.

[B]

So true.

[A]

So, dad, you feel like talking about my great grandfather, which is your grandfather?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mention him in the first book, Medical Medium. And you know that?

[B]

Yeah, I read that when I was

[A]

nine years old and got the Food poisoning and I got the Medical Medium book open here. I was going to read that a little later on, but I have vivid childhood memories of great grandpa's yard, his house, his gardens, his trees. And I know he was a big part of your life.

[B]

Well, first of all, my grandfather was from Italy and he was a landscaper by trade. He had a vegetable garden in his backyard. He also had fruits back there. He had an entrance going into his gardens. What was amazing was his entrance was a tunnel. Tunnel of grapevines.

[A]

How big was the tunnel?

[B]

The tunnel was long and the grapes on it, I used to eat them all the time. When they were ripe, my grandfather used to use them, make wine. When you were walking through, the grapes were hanging down on the sides. Easy picking.

[A]

What did the grapes taste like? Were they sweet? Were they sour?

[B]

They were sweet enough to eat. It was a wine grape, but was also sour. So I would spend like 10, 15 minutes in the tunnel eating grapes before I came out. So as you're coming out, that's when I see my grandpa's big pear tree. That's the first thing you see in the garden.

[A]

I remember that pear tree.

[B]

And that's the tree that saved you from the food poisoning.

[A]

Do you remember what kind of pears they were?

[B]

Oh, yeah. They were green and crispy. You could eat them crispy or you could let them Ripen and get soft, sweet and juicy. It was a good sized pear.

[A]

What else did Great Grandpa have?

[B]

He had figs, which was very interesting at the time. He had them going up against his garage, which was made out of stone. They were on an angle in a trestle. It was a stone wall about 10ft tall that the fig trees were leaning on. And the figs were delicious. My grandfather was born in Italy, but his father brought over the fig trees.

[A]

That's my great, great grandfather. Yeah, I remember that. He had this incredible strawberry patch.

[B]

Yeah. And you loved those strawberries.

[A]

Oh, yeah. I would eat them and eat them, and he would get upset because I would eat every single ripe strawberry.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And what about the tomatoes?

[B]

They were sweet. They were delicious. He had a few varieties of them,

[A]

too, for homemade sauce.

[B]

Yeah, he had plum tomatoes, a lot of them. My grandmother used to make sauce. We called it gravy.

[A]

I remember the tomatoes. They looked gigantic to me when I was little. They were just these beautiful red jewels.

[B]

Yeah, they were heirloom.

[A]

What else was in the garden, dad?

[B]

Cucumbers, string beans, cabbage and romaine lettuce, Also garlic, onions.

[A]

I remember scallions because I used to pick them and eat them like that.

[B]

Yeah, and spinach, too. You also had a BlackBerry patch and a raspberry patch.

[A]

I think those were my favorites.

[B]

And mine, too.

[A]

He had thorns on his raspberry patch, and I used to get pricked by him.

[B]

Me, too. It was really a magical garden.

[A]

When I was little and I was walking through that tunnel of grapevines, I saw all the grapes hanging down, too. And I would ask great Grandpa, what are all these for? And he never told me. Wine.

[B]

The smell of the grapes when you're walking through is something you can't forget. You used to tell Grandpa and me when we were walking through that these grapes were for healing. And Grandpa said to you, little medical medium in his broken language, and he said, shoo, shoo. No talk. I remember that Grandpa knew you were gifted because you were always talking in the garden about how the vegetables and fruits heal people. That's why he called you a little medical medium. He used to warn me to be careful about your gift. Like it shouldn't really be known because he was worried, rightfully so, because he said it was a cruel world. He would say people aren't ready for this. Even though he knew it was special. Even though Grandpa knew there were sick people that needed this. He knew how life could be cursed when you have a special gift.

[A]

Yeah, he knew.

[B]

I remember now, too. That you used to tell grandpa to use the vines and the grapes for grape juice. Yep.

[A]

He didn't. He was probably thinking for his wine.

[B]

Right, of course. Yeah.

[A]

But Spirit was telling me, use it for fresh grape juice. That's where. That's where the healing is.

[B]

Yep. You used to tell my grandmother that she had a liver problem. That's why she was overweight. And she would chase you away.

[A]

She used to throw sink water on me.

[B]

Yeah. While she was cooking in the kitchen. You would say, spirit said this. Spirit said that.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

I remember my grandmother would always say, we have to protect him. She was worried about you, too. She didn't like when the neighbors came over and asked you health questions.

[A]

Yeah, that happened all the time.

[B]

All the time. How about the time when you got food poisoning in a restaurant?

[A]

Oh, yeah. Oh, that was a nightmare.

[B]

Yeah. Well, we. We forced you to eat it because, you know, we couldn't afford things in a restaurant.

[A]

I know. I mean, that was that time. Well, I mean, we didn't go to restaurants, so when we went to a

[B]

restaurant, yeah, it was a big deal.

[A]

But everybody was mad at me at the table because Spirit. I was saying how Spirit says, I can't eat this.

[B]

Little Anthony didn't want to eat it.

[A]

Meanwhile, I chose the meal I had, and spirit warned me. And I kept on saying to you guys, spirit says, don't eat this. And you guys were saying, well, you ordered it. So I ate it. And that night, when we got home, it hit me.

[B]

Yeah. You said spirit said you had food poisoning. And then.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And I tried to push through it, but it wasn't getting any better.

[B]

It got so bad. We took you to the emergency room. They couldn't do anything for you. They sent us home and told us to see what happens. You might get better. Who knows?

[A]

Yeah. I was shrugging it out in agony for almost a couple of weeks.

[B]

You had your good days and your bad days.

[A]

Well, Spirit told me it was E. Coli.

[B]

The doctor didn't even know that. There was nothing the doctor could do. I said, come on, now. When's Spirit going to help you? And that's when spirit told you about the pear tree. You were sick, laying in bed, and mom heard about the pear tree and said, get him over there now.

[A]

I could barely get into that car.

[B]

I carried you.

[A]

Oh, man, that was bad.

[B]

Yeah, Man, I don't even want to think about that now.

[A]

Well, yeah. I was nine years old.

[B]

Yeah. I drive you down grandpa's house. We get there, Grandpa's waiting. We get to the pear tree.

[A]

I remember sitting down on the ground holding a pear in my hand, and I started eating it.

[B]

Grandpa and I started picking a bunch of pears.

[A]

And I got up and I started picking a bunch, too.

[B]

It's a miracle that the pears were in season.

[A]

I ate about three or four pears. And there was something about those pears that were really medicinal.

[B]

We loaded up a big box of them, got them in the car and drove home.

[A]

And I lived only on pears for three weeks.

[B]

I remember. I remember Spirit told you that the pears would kill all the bacteria off.

[A]

Spirit had me mono eat the pears. It was the only thing I ate, just pears. And, Dad, I got the book in front of us right now. And I love this part here on page seven. Finally, Spirit of Compassion cuts through my delirium and tells me I'm going to need a mono eating protocol to rid the specific strain of E. Coli bacteria from my body. He gives me a direct order to go to my great grandfather's house and pick a box of heirloom pears from his tree. Spirit says I'm to eat nothing but these ripe pears and I'll heal. I do as he says and recover rapidly. And that's right out of medical medium, revised and expanded. So, hey, dad, what about Grandpa? We haven't talked about Grandpa. This is your father, not your grandfather.

[B]

Yeah, my dad was an amazing guy.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I would play around in his garden, too.

[B]

Yeah, his garden wasn't as big as my grandfather's garden, but he had a lot of good stuff in it, too. Tomatoes were his specialty.

[A]

I remember I was plucking all his tomatoes too early. They were still green. And I was plucking them off, and Spirit was telling me, you're going to get them upset because they're not ripe. So I went in the house, I had a big batch of tomatoes. They're green. And Grandpa said, what did you do? You picked them all green.

[B]

He put them aside and eventually they ripen. He had a great garden.

[A]

It ran in the family.

[B]

You got a garden and you got a garden.

[A]

Yeah, I do, too. I got a nice garden.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Dad, remember my first hot pepper was in Grandpa's garden?

[B]

Yeah, I remember that. Well, you said Spirit told you not to eat it, but you did.

[A]

It's just that the pepper looks so good. It was red. It was bright red. It looked like something like a jewel to eat.

[B]

Like a candy.

[A]

Like a candy. Yeah, like a candy.

[B]

It wasn't a big pepper.

[A]

No, it was. It Was smaller but not tiny.

[B]

Yeah. And shiny like a candy.

[A]

Yeah, it was. And I. And I stood there and I said, I want to eat this. And then I said to you, Spirit tells me not to eat this.

[B]

Well, I told you it was going to be hot.

[A]

Yeah. Spirit said, no, don't eat that. And you said, it's going to be hot. And you said, don't eat it. But I see, I'm my own person. I didn't care what spirit said.

[B]

Very stubborn.

[A]

Yeah, there you go. And I'm like, I'm eating this. So I took a bite, and at first, I didn't sense any heat. I didn't taste any heat when I took the first bite. And then it hit me.

[B]

I was going to get a bottle

[A]

of milk, and I was yelling, get me water. Get me water. And spirit said, grab a ripe tomato right off the vine. Right there in the same garden.

[B]

Yeah, we were right there.

[A]

So I bit the tomato, and it started calming it down. Instantly started calming it down. But that pepper was hot. That thing was burning hot. And it had a delayed effect, which was crazy.

[B]

He had hot peppers. That's for sure.

[A]

That was an Italian hot pepper.

[B]

I still got the seeds of that very pepper. I've been growing those same peppers for years. I also have seeds from my grandfather's garden. I've been growing those for years.

[A]

Well, your pepper garden is unbelievable. When I see it, it's incredible. I mean, you have super chilies of all varieties, your own varieties, you save all your seeds for years, going all the way back to great grandpa. It's mind blowing, actually. Like, you're a pepper expert as far as, like, the growing, the saving seeds, old heirloom varieties that our family brought back from Italy. You got all of them marked and bagged and cataloged in your own little pepper office. Just set up for pepper seeds. So, dad, where did the great interest of hot peppers really start? Where did it stem from?

[B]

Started in my grandfather's garden. I was the same age as you. I picked a pepper, took a bite, and it hit me right away. My gums got numb. I started yelling. I ran into my grandfather's house, start yelling in there, screaming at. My grandmother ate a hot pepper. I was telling her, hot, hot, hot pepper. She grabbed the bottle of milk right away, and I started drinking it. And it helped some, but it was still hot. Then she got me a spoon of sugar, and that really helped. It started getting better fast.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah. What's funny is the same thing happened to my dad in his grandfather's Garden. That's three in a row.

[A]

But as a little kid after that, you didn't like hot peppers anymore?

[B]

I didn't eat hot peppers for a long time until I was like a teenager.

[A]

Because of the memory.

[B]

Yeah, I got burnt and didn't like it.

[A]

But yet it literally became this huge part of your life.

[B]

It's like whenever you ate anything you didn't like when you were young, as you got older, you started to eat that same kind of food.

[A]

You get a taste for it. Yeah, but what's interesting, dad, is that doesn't mean though, you're going to grow that food for the rest of your life with passion, like you have with these peppers. It's a whole nother level. There's something here with these peppers. There's a deep love, a deep, deep connection in your heart about these peppers. I watch you grow them for years. My whole life.

[B]

Seems like I have to eat peppers with everything. Another thing too is I want to keep these seeds going. I inherited them, so I want to, generation after generation, keep the seeds going. Like a legacy. You have a bunch of my pepper seeds and you grow them too?

[A]

Oh, yeah. I got my own pepper garden. You know that. You see me in there, you come over and you're always telling me what to do with growing them. Like do this, this way, fix that. You know, get those old peppers off of there, put some new seeds down in.

[B]

Oh, you've been doing pretty good for a long time.

[A]

Nothing like what you got going on.

[B]

I have more time in my garden than you do.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

I'm always in your garden fixing up things because you're hardly ever there.

[A]

That's why you're the best, dad.

[B]

You're busy working all the time.

[A]

So, dad, earlier you said you love eating your hot peppers with everything. So what's your favorite meal with hot peppers?

[B]

Guacamole.

[A]

I know you like it a special way. You want to tell everybody your technique?

[B]

Yeah. Very simple. Take two avocados, split them, take them out, put them in a bowl, mash em up, and then I get an onion. Well, not a whole onion, about a half an onion, dice it up, and a tomato, big tomato. Dice that up in a thousand pieces. Then finally, the hot peppers, dice them up, throw them in, mix them up too.

[A]

But which of the hot peppers out of your hot pepper garden are you gonna throw in there? Which one are you picking?

[B]

My heirloom.

[A]

But which heirloom? Cause you have your own peppers with your own pepper names going way back.

[B]

The peppers. I Use in my guacamole are called heaterators.

[A]

Heaterators.

[B]

Heaterators.

[A]

Yeah. I love those heaters.

[B]

They're hot.

[A]

What I like about the heaterator pepper, when you drop some off for me to eat in my guacamole, them things are so hot. But they don't give you a bad stomach burn, right?

[B]

They don't.

[A]

They give you a mouth burn, but the stomach seems to, like, just be okay.

[B]

You never feel it in your stomach.

[A]

You never feel it in your stomach.

[B]

That's what I like about them, too.

[A]

Yeah? Yeah. So what else is in your guacamole, dad?

[B]

Well, I squeeze some lemon.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Lime, and a little bit of salt, and mix it up and eat it with crackers.

[A]

That sounds good. That sounds real good. I'm hungry now.

[B]

Me, too.

[A]

And how does those heater peppers make the guacamole taste?

[B]

Delicious.

[A]

Amazing. Does the heaterator got a sweet edge to it?

[B]

A sneaky sweet edge.

[A]

Whoa. I wish everybody out there can taste your guacamole.

[B]

I do, too. You grow a lot of different avocados.

[A]

I do. I got all kinds of varieties. And every time you're in there looking at my avocado trees with me, you're always telling me how beautiful they are. Yeah. I always say that hot peppers are your expertise. And I know avocado trees.

[B]

That's right. That's true.

[A]

At least I'm always learning. Spirit helps a lot.

[B]

And my favorite one out it a whole lot is bacon.

[A]

Oh, yeah, that's right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When you can get a good bacon, you make that guacamole with a bacon avocado. That's your favorite. Yeah, but we got to make it clear there's no bacon in there.

[B]

Right. It's not a. It's not from a pig, you know, it's not pork. Yeah, it's.

[A]

It's an actual bacon avocado.

[B]

It's an avocado. Yeah.

[A]

It's so good, too. I grew all kinds of different ones, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Let's see. I grow lamb, hoss and Reed. Lula Hall.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Forte. That's one right there. Of course, the bacon Mexicola. I like that one. Woodall's dad. Monroe.

[B]

Monroe. That's a nice one.

[A]

That's a good one, too. They're delicious. Really are. Brogdon. Russell, man. I mean, a bunch of different ones. Do you like my avocado orchard?

[B]

Love it.

[A]

I just need you in there more. I need you in there more. Helping me out. I need help.

[B]

It's a lot of work by the

[A]

way, dad, we said the name of an avocado together at the same time.

[B]

Hall.

[A]

So you owe me a beer.

[B]

How about I owe you a coconut?

[A]

That sounds good because we don't drink. So, dad, what do you say to everybody out there who's going through a lot of things in their life, some struggles, different difficult situations?

[B]

Well, there's an old saying, step at a time. That's how you have to go through life. Step at a time. Like healing. Healing takes step at a time. You'll get there. In my life, I did a lot of steps at a time. There are times in my life where I thought I would never get to the other side. But I always got there.

[A]

Love you, dad.

[B]

Love you too.

[C]

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