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Foreign. Hey, what's going on guys? Welcome back to the Mike Force podcast. I hope you had a amazing weekend. Sucks. Fireworks were banned in the entire state of Utah and it kind of bothered me. Let me explain why. One, I understand why they would do such a thing given the fact that the Cottonwood fire, for example is over 92,000 acres burned with a 0% containment and they expect being the temperatures will be in the 90s and even in the hundreds as advertised across the area, that it's going to lead to more spreading of that fire. But also all the resources are allocated for the fires that exist. And I guess on a scale of one to five, I was told this by wildland firefighters, engine 395, by the way, I met their entire team, Kiefer's team. Big shout out to Kiefer and the guys, please be safe. They're going back on shift like tomorrow after 16 days in the field. They told me that the four out of five means that resources are so scarce that if other fires tick up, they're not going to be able to fight them. This is after about a week and some change ago. Three firefighters, I believe it was five total. A team that was helo inserted Three wildland firefighters, two females, one male, were killed tragically and several others were critically injured as they bedded down and the fire swept over them. That's like a worst case scenario type situation. It's serious. And so the banning of fireworks despite like the, the weirdness of it, very weird to not hear one firework go off in your community on Independence Day. So I completely understand it. But I also thought about it from this context. There was a specific date or period of time that it was set and I think it took people to the seventh because that's the biggest threat is people selling fireworks and then people igniting them during Independence Day festivities and it causing a fire. It actually happened in Provo, which is right down the street about 35 minutes down the road where it set a grass fire about 5 acres from a firework that launched off into the hillside. But I thought about it from my perspective where I'm in a, I'm in the county, actually I'm not in the town of, or the city of Heber. Where if you're, if you got sparklers in your driveway, does that constitute a thousand dollar fine? Because that's, that's the fine. And is that overstepping? Because I thought about this. Where do we draw the line of the government shutting you down? They said, for example, you can't shoot in BLM or National Forest Bureau Land Management or National Forest public lands because it could spark a fire. And it's true, it could spark a fire. The idea that it's only tracer fires is a lie. I've seen grass fires start in training, shooting thousands of rounds myself in training, where it hits a rock, hits a, you know, a specific type of rock, sparks a grass fire and then you got to go run and put it out. But where is the line drawn? And then if it rains a couple days, is that constitute us getting back to normalcy? And then how long will you ban it? Again, personal responsibility, which a lot of people are irresponsible and not personally personally responsible. It's this fuzzy line between the government interfering in your life, mandating certain things that we've experienced obviously in the last five, six years with the P word I can't even say it because I'll get suppressed. What are your thoughts? Leave me your feedback in the comments down below. I do understand it, but it just doesn't feel right. It's a similar thing to flock cameras where they just put one up on on Main street and I thought to myself, wow, whose permission do they get publicly to put in these cameras? Nobody, by the way. And how much are they infringing on our personal rights? Meaning able to do things like look at our data and our information and invade our privacy, whereby the Supreme Court said you can't just blanket start looking into people's cell phones because you're looking for a specific criminal. Which I that would be like us blocking off an entire block and going door to door, kicking doors in looking for one suspect, violating everybody's rights because of one suspect. Sure there is a line to be drawn and I feel like we're crossing that line in some ways. For flock cameras I feel personally just like I do about speed trap cameras where you get the check in the mail. And there's been many cases, I wouldn't say many, several cases of people's rights being violated and getting the ticket the mail with no due process and and then you have to pay thousands of dollars to fight that when you aren't even the one driving. So again I'm asking the question, do you think it violates a rights A big shout out to Carnival, a premier sponsor of this podcast, guys. I talk about them nearly every podcast. But I want you guys if you support this podcast because I try to keep it ad free. I don't have sponsors knocking at my door kicking the door in trying to get on this podcast, I've been doing it for 10 years nearly for free. But I want to build out a studio and these guys help me cover the overhead. And if you want to support my channel, you don't have to pay me. Support the sponsors of good companies that I work with. USA grass fed beef, chicken and pork and get 25 year shelf life food and support the channel. I'll link it down below. As always, Primal Power wasatchway goo. A couple more sponsors that are supporting the podcast support me as well. I'm going to do an underground breakdown of this conversation we're going to have on edc. It's been a long time coming for this episode because I've been thinking about this recently and I want to be critical of specific things that I think are done wrong in the industry. And that's including everyday carry whereby if you talk about this in a tactical forum, a post on social media, wow. The amount of myths and disinformation that you get, misunderstanding kind of the under the understanding of how this works in self defense is pretty radical. Let me give you an example. Let's set the stage here for field craft survival. We're bringing back tactical training and when I say we are bringing back, I am not bringing back any tactical instructors at all. It's going to be me and, and I don't say that facetiously or, or, or ill. I've gone down that road with subcontractors and it's a very difficult business model. And Philcraft Survival or Philcraft Outpost will never be anything other than family owned, no partners, no investments. I don't need anything. And when I'm out doing training across the country, I will make sure that we focus on this specific part of the self defense scenario that's never discussed. It's called Decision Point. What is the, what is the decision for you to use deadly force? Now if I ask that broadly And I asked 10 people, that 80% 8 out of 10 will be wrong. I know this because I've taught Decision Point. I've asked the questions via scenarios, via examples of how things would play out and then I asked for responses and generally it's been 7 to 8 out of 10 people will get it wrong. For example, when I ask you, and I want to ask you the question right now and I want you to think about it, what is your criteria for using deadly force in self defense? The default for you is the legal jargon that's on your USCCA card. The things that you've been taught about law as it relates in your state, or maybe you heard a broader statement and you don't even understand your local laws, which is the case for most of these answers. A lot of people will say, if my life is in danger, if I'm in fear of bodily harm or imminent danger of my life, then that justifies me using deadly force. Okay, that's the legal construct. That's the legal jargon and the verbiage that you would use in articulating why you use deadly force. I'm asking you morally, I'm asking you in your own ethical compass, where do you draw the line? Let me give you a scenario that I've used ad nauseam in every single personal defense or decision point. Course you see a shadow in your living room. The outline of the shadow, the person is holding a firearm and they're walking towards your children's bedroom. Or take X, it could be your children, your loved one, your spouse, your grandma, your mother, they're in that room and then that person's walking through. What is your go, no go criteria of using deadly force? Do you engage them as you see them? And most competent tactical people will say, well, that's not how this scenario would unfold. And my response to that would be, you don't get to choose how violence seeks you out. What do you mean? Well, how about I make the scenario where the guy is standing over you with a hammer cocked on his revolver and you wake up and you're looking down the barrel of a.38, where you get no opt in. Well, that's different. No, it's not different. Again, the scenario in which I'm lining out for you is putting you on a reactive, on your heels, self defense situation. It's not called self offense, it's called self defense. So when you see the person walking across and they have the firearm and they're walking towards your loved ones and you see the shadow, it's a lot easier for you to defend your life and to take a life. And I say this cautiously because a lot of people think that this is an easy black and white scenario. And a lot of men, especially with tattoos and beards, will go, I have to do what I have to do. Okay, what if in the ambient light you see the person and you realize it's a young man? Same answer. A lot of guys will say, yeah, it doesn't matter. Does it not matter? And then after the scenario where they decide to use deadly force, I always say, because in this scenario, I say it's an Airbnb or a rental you're on vacation with your family, you're not familiar with the layout besides you seeing it for a snapshot. And then after the shooting itself you realize, oh, it's a 14 year old neighborhood whose friend was staying in that house the night before and he was returning an airsoft pistola. And they're like, oh, that would never happen. It happens all the time in self defense. It happens all the time. Meaning there are a lot of situations in your decision point whereby things aren't definitively clear. It's not the target holding the pew staring at you and you see it as a imminent threat. And then you use that one second sub, second draw stroke. It's not how it works. It's, it's nearly never how it works. Things are super fuzzy, they're not definitive and you have to use a lot of critical thinking. I've had grown men and women cry when I tell them that it was a child. And I've had grown men and women say well that's it, is what it is. Okay, as long as you understand. So the whole point is many people in self defense set up their edc, their everyday carry and how they go into their life. I think in the wrong way. I think in the wrong way. And I'll explain a few of these instances because what it seems like is EDC has turned into this collection of expensive objects arrange on a table or a photograph where you have a pry bar, a multi tool, a lock pick set, a challenge coin, enough equipment to outfit a recce team in special operations. And not this statistical probability, not a practical line out of what you would expect to see via the stats, via the facts in edc. Let me break down this first because I've had this conversation recently and I want to line this out for you. A prime example is first aid. And I made this mistake. This is a Phil Craft survival error, Mike Glover error. I'll take the blame for this. When I got out of the military and the agency at the same time, 2016, talking about 10 years ago, I started educating civilians on what I thought was the highest probability first aid. Because yeah, the stats on you getting in a self defense scenario, very rare comparative to any kind of accident or whatever involving first aid. I mean there's a lot of many, there's a, there's many things that would be an example. I think you're more likely to use a defibrillator on somebody than you are placing use your pew in self defense. True stat. Do you know how to use a defibrillator? Probably not. Do you have one? Probably not. Do you know where it's located? Probably not. But you sure put that picture in the IG post of that pew. And I get it. It's fun, it's sexy, but it's not in line with the probability. So when I. When I started doing first aid, I'm like, the tourniquet is the default. Why aren't you carrying a tourniquet? You should carry a tourniquet. And I still think you should carry a tourniquet, except now I carry a rapids application tourniquet or rats. For my children and for adults, but for my children, because there is the potential of getting a laceration or a deep puncture wound in a. An extremity and bleed out. There have been several cases in recent history that I've looked at where I'm like, that person passed needlessly because somebody didn't understand how it works, where if you have an arterial highway for blood that's compromised, compromising your arms and legs, you will bleed out in minutes. And if you don't stop it because you don't know how or don't have the tool or understand the principles of how to do it, of how a tourniquet works around an extremity, then they'll just pass and you'll regret it for the rest of your life because it's not that complicated. Now, the difference between my military experience and civilians is in the military, we wore body armor. So in the ied, in the gunfight, you are likely to take extremity wounds. And your upper torso was good, good to go by the way. You puncture your upper torso in any form or fashion deep enough to penetrate your chest cavity, you get a slew of problems. Collapsed lung, bleeding internally, a lack of respiration, a whole bunch of issues, right? Medically. So, yes, the tourniquet's important. But if you talk to trauma surgeons, which I talked to one last week, the owner of Prep and Wild, and I recently talked to a trauma surgeon in Colorado that said the same thing. Most of the puncture wounds they see, even in the pew, is in the chest cavity. Why? Because civilians don't wear body armor. So the question in EDC would be, do you carry a tourniquet? Most people who take this seriously, which obviously is you, you would say, yeah, for sure. I carry the tourniquet. And then the second follow up to that would be, do you carry a hyphen, chest seal, or a chest seal of some kind? Hyphen is the name of a company that sells the Chest seal. And the answer is no. Well, if you have a puncture to your chest, and I've dealt with this in both combat and civilian life, your lung will collapse, you'll have respiration issues and it will complicate, facilitate the circling of the drain, getting closer to the bottom where there's no point of return. So have a chest seal. One is none. Have two chest seals. They actually come in two packs. And North American Rescue, I think TacMed Solutions that sell the hyphen. Jesse, have, have two and carry it in your EDC. Another issue with EDC is we look at it as the pocket dump. The pocket dump is very little capacity. I'm wearing a pair of Carhartt pants right now and the pockets aren't big. Now a pocket dump for an operator is all the capacity on their kit. We even had pockets in our shoulders to carry some individual first aid type stuff. We even had morphine and a pill pack. Capacity is the start point of edc. If you're wearing a pair of skinny jeans and you can't fit anything in it, then EDC is limited to what you could fit in your waistband. Appendix carry on the right side or left side. And you're very limited. Yes, your capacity increases during the winter time because you have more pockets, more space. So the start point of this issue is why are men and women, I mean women at a default mostly carry. I think. I don't know if this is a true stat because I don't see many women carry purses anymore. Carrying purses anymore. I don't think it's a thing. In fact, I don't think any women carry purses. I, I don't even think I've seen a purse for sale. Maybe when they go out to a fancy dinner, but for the most part, I mean, I live in the country too. I would consider this more country, more rural folks who've got horses and farms and goats and chickens. For sure they're not carrying purses. So if you're a man and a woman, you should have the merse, the man purse, the fanny pack. By the way, our fanny packs are online@longhaulsupplycompany.com I'll link it down below. I have the smaller ones that for, are for compacts and then the bigger ones we got on order right now in black multi cam starting out. So I, I think about this, I'm like, you don't have the capacity on your person. What are you putting in this pocket? In my upper chest, a fancy collared shirt. Nothing. You're not going to carry a tourniquet in your pants pocket because it's super uncomfortable. Have a merse. A purse, a man satchel, a Patagonia fly fishing bag. I remember making the fly fishing Patagonia bag pretty popular. They should give me some stock options because I took that and I love the way it was slung. It had a lot of capacity. And people were like, why are you carrying that? Like, because I could put a lot of stuff in it. And I carried this when I was a contractor. And sure, it was big in its form factor, but I want to carry a lot of stuff. I want to carry an individual first aid kit. I want to carry a inreach device. If I'm a little bit more rural. I want to have a hyphen chest seal on top of my iFac. I want that TQ. I want a spare mag, right? So the extinction of your capability and capacity is a larger form factor outside of your pockets. All right. So when I say that, it also translates to your pew. I think a lot of people get this wrong. This is like, this is my hand. My hand is. I've. I'm not bragging about my hands, but I'm telling you, a lot of men have this problem. My hand. I wear size 13 shoes. At 6:1, I should probably be like 6:3. Probably stunted my growth because I'm half Korean. That naturally stunt your growth. But I have massive hands. I've gone up to guys who are 6 3, 6, 46 5, 6 6. And I have the hand spread. Same hand spread as they do. They have. And when you have large hands, it causes a significant issue. There's also a problem with small hands. So the default for a woman, for example, or just a man with a small hand. No offense to men with small hands, but let's take a woman, for example. If you have a small hand, the default is subcompact or compact. I think let's. Let's take a compact subcompact and full size, right? Subcompact would be like. It's not micro, it's not macro, right? It's in between. Take a compact or a subcompact. The default for a woman, for example, at your local pew store, you go into the pew store as a woman, you say, hey, I'm interested in concealed carry. Well, concealed carry means small. You're a woman. That means small. You need a small, tiny pew to fit your small, tiny hand. That's the default. That is so wrong. Why? Because one a shorter and it's not, it's not exclusive to every pew. But for the most part, generally speaking you have a rod, a recoil rod spring, typically a captured spring. It's one of the same that rod and spring dissipates felt recoil. Right. That spring and rod, the smaller it is for the most part makes it snappier in your hand to the extent that generally speaking the smaller the pew, the more aggressive the muzzle flip and recoil. Generally speaking because they don't have, it doesn't have the mechanical physics to manage and dissipate the energy because it's so small. Take a revolver pew and it is snappy one the same and it's always going to feel the same. What is the problem in that if you're, if you're in layman's terms? Well one, the snappier it is, the more time typically it takes. And I'm using this very carefully because it's not always the case. But generally speaking, for the most part the smaller the pew, the more aggressive it muzzle flips and recoils. By the way, that's two parts of the inertia of the energy and they're one in the same. Right. Muzzle flip and recoil is one action of inertia or two actions of inertia. It takes longer for the muzzle to get back on target. It's also harder to manage in your hands. So if you have a small hand on a small pew, it is going to be more difficult for you to get back on target and to be more accurate. Especially in a rapid engagement scenario which most self defense scenarios are. It's not a one and done right. You're managing a rapid engagement scenario in real time very fast even. It's even the case that with big hands you give me a G43X, I don't even say the word because again I'll get suppressed. If you're more interested, if you're interested in like the uncensored version of this with some distillation, please tune in to my Patreon link down below. Also going to be doing tactical education on there for tier one and tier two members. What I mean is I'm going to be doing what's called the range companion. You set down your cell phone, you put in your ear ear pods with noise cancellation, put on your ear muffs and I'm going to walk you through training. We're going to set it up, do the rules of firearm safety, I'm going to help you cock your target and then we're going to get, we're going to get into the drills. Tier 1, Tier 1, range companion. And then Tier 2, Tier Tier 3. We're doing peer review, Pew reviews. I'll link it down below. So it is the case if I have a G43X, which is considered subcompact, it will muzzle flip aggressively in my large hand. And sometimes because my hand's so big, my thumb on the support hand side of the pew, my thumb will nearly be at the end of the barrel. So if there's any modification or retraction or just. I love how everybody thinks that the, the pew engagement is going to be from the surrender position or you draw stroke and you're squared up with a target. No, you might be in a physical fight for your life on the bottom. So think about that from the pew's perspective, whereby you're in a unorthodox position in a regular position, unconventional position, fighting for your life. Do you train like that? So if it's too small, it's a problem. If it's too. If the hand's too small on a small pew, it's a problem. If the hand's too big on a small pew, it's a problem. Well, what's the answer, Mike? Well, I'll give you an answer. G19. G19 for the small hand and for the big hand. Perfect balance. If you have big hands like me, if you take a G19 and stack it on a G17, there is not that much difference. There's 15 in one and 17 in the other. With one in the chamber. Right. And have a base plate for sure. And extend that capability or extend that, extend that capacity. But if you stack them, you will be surprised. One, they're the same width, but if you take them stacked on top of each other, you're like, oh, it's not that much difference. When I was a contractor, appendix, carry G17 all day long. So if you have a fanny pack, guess what? You don't have to have a tiny pew the size of your belt buckle in your pants. You just stick a full size pew inside of a fanny pack. Like you could do that if you're a bigger sized man. I mean, I would say like 5 9. I think the average height is in America is like 58 to 5 9. If you're like 59 and above, you need to be carrying a full size pew Unless you got some like weird waistline. Look, I have a 32 inch waist. 6 1, 200 and I was 225 this morning. Been losing some weight. You take a G17, perfect for me. No signature on a 32 inch waist. I'm not giving away anything and I have all of the capacity. That's significant. Another problem with our EDC status is the failure to train. We want all the equipment, but we don't train with that equipment. Let me give you an example. And I am, I am. I have completely 180 on this. The knif. I can't even say, can I say that? Just the tactical knif, but K and then nif, right? You know what I'm talking about. The blade. I'll say blade. I think I can get away with that. You take your tactical blade. Have you ever trained with a tactical blade? When I get out of the military and started seeing guys train and host classes with the tactical knif, I was like, bro, I carry a pew. I'm never defaulting to the knif. Well, guess what? If you don't know how to tactically defend, for example, against a knif, even with a pew, you're setting yourself up for failure. So you should take a tactical class on the knif. And I don't think I've ever said that out loud. I think you should. The alternative is you have no understanding of how dangerous the knif is. Just quickly, if you, if somebody's able to touch you with their hand and then they got a knif in their hand, you, you potentially could get punctured. And if you're punctured, it is not hard to imagine a scenario where you could bleed out very rapidly and there's no recovery from that in many cases. Because I think the perspective is you see somebody has a knif, a blade, and you go, oh, I got a pew. And you don't take it as seriously because you're like, this guy's got a knife. I just said it out loud. That's suppression. We don't take it as seriously when it is one of the most dangerous weapons on the streets. A. A lot of that is derived from le and how they take it. There's plenty of law enforcement videos where the guy's got the knife telling them to drop it, to drop it, and then they get closer and closer until they actually make contact. And then like, oh crap, maybe I should do something about this. So they don't realize how fast you can close a distance, how easy it is to touch you with it, and how much damage it could literally do. Even in body armor, even with a vest on. You take one in the upper shoulders of the neck. Bad, bad situation. Bad, bad situation. So take the training to be aligned With Gneiff, another part of this, it's obvious that the pew is a consideration, right? You got to be trained with that. How many of you have trained out of the fanny pack and got the reps in? You should. Some of you probably can't do it because your local range won't allow you to draw out of a fanny pack. But do so and get the dry fire practice and the dry practice reps from that so you're not having to fumble through it. It's one of the reasons I put like T handles on my zippers for my fanny pack that, that I make with a long haul supply company that Phil, that Phil Craft used to have. Again, they're on the website but you'll see the big T handles because you could grab it with gross motor skills and be pump full of cortisol and adrenaline and get it open, get it ripped open. Another element to that is the EDC light. I recommend one having a light on the pew but having an individual light separate from the pew. Why? Because, well, in an edc, especially if you're out at night, you're over landing off roading and you have a light handheld, you could use that separate of the pew. You're not looking into the engine bay with a pew with a light on it. But how many of you have taken low light, no light courses? Not many tactical instructors are teaching anything low light, no light. But we know the majority of self defense actions happen at night. It's like I used to tell my guys as a team sergeant who used to complain about doing reverse cycle because they were away from their families or they didn't like getting up and doing that that way. Like they don't like sleeping during the day and getting up at night. But guess what? That's when we operate and that's when you do self defense. So how much training do you have on how the eyes work? Let me give you one primary example of this. Most people don't realize that the light they use, which is typically over 100 lumens on their weapons light blinds you from your perspective. So if you take that light and you put it on, especially 1 to 500 lumens, 500 lumens being the standard, it's a, it's a way of advertising it. If it's 500, it must be good. If it's anything over that, it must be better. If you do this, stand in a dark room with no light, look at an object, it doesn't have to be anything but look at an object, hit the Light from your perspective and then turn it off, and then count how long it takes for your eyes to adjust to that. Seven to 15 seconds. Yeah, with 500 lumens. Seven to 15 seconds. So, okay, you got a doorknob. You're staring at it. You take your light on your pew, you hit it, you turn it off. Well, Mike, I would never turn it off. Yes, you will. It could happen. It's not just about the perspective from the bad guy. It's your perspective behind the pew from the good guy's point of view. So I'm staring at the bad guy, and I light him up, and I turn it off, and I'm staring at a doorknob, and you count 7 to 15 seconds with 500 looms. If you take 50 to 100 looms, you can still PID. That's like your cell phone light on its brightest setting, and it's about three to five seconds. Meaning it's not always more advantageous to illuminate more light from your perspective. Also, we know this. I've taught SWAT teams this and have been like, what? You don't get this? Also, it's the fact that if you illuminate light from your perspective, you are giving yourself away. So, sure, if there's one guy, you're lighting him up, then, yeah. What if there's two? What if there's one on the left side of the room and one on the right side of the room? Well, you're giving the guy on the right side of the room your position away when you're lighting up the guy on the left. Okay. These things matter in the context of edc, because they will dictate how you equip yourself, how you train, and how you operate. So you might want to have a light that has two settings, a low setting, which plenty of sure fire lights have. This where you slightly depress it, and it only gives you 50 to 100 lumens. Or you click it once and it's 50 to 100 lumens. You click it twice, and it's 3 to 500 or whatever. Another thing that you should understand is how to operate with one handheld light and one pew in the other hand. Know how the eyes work? Know how to pew with one hand. We don't practice these things. So here's the best way to look at it. And I'll be doing this training on. On Patreon. Get your edc, set up the edc, and then train with that EDC based on the setup. For example, you have a folding blade versus A straight blade. Not many people carry straight blades. You got a folding blade. Have you practice employing that rapidly? You should. Even if it's like with a inert, which means it's not sharp. Practice tool. Where you're practicing those things, find an instructor who teaches you the tactics of rolling around on the ground, pulling it from your pocket, employing it and utilizing it in a training environment. That's how you set yourself up for success. Guys, I think a lot of us are edcing the wrong way, and I'm not criticizing you if you are, because some of you train like you potentially will fight. And that's. That's like always been my motto in the military. Like, train how you fight, don't train how you train. Train how you're actually going to employ it based off what you carry and based on your environment. The environmental factors matter. What you're wearing, how cold it is outside or how hot it is outside, dictate what you're going to wear, and that dictates the potential EDC loadout, which dictates how you're going to operate. So you might have to train seasonally because I'm carrying a Ruger LCR hammerless setup in my jacket pocket when I'm pumping gas, versus in the middle of summer where I'm in board shorts and a tank top and I got my fanny pack. All these things matter in the conversation. I've already ran my mouth for 40 minutes about this and I'm okay with that. Tomorrow I'll be talking about the practical application of how to do this in the uncensored version of this on Patreon. I appreciate you guys tuning in. Hope you're having a good week so far and had an amazing Independence Day. Till next time, guys. Peace out.