The legend himself joins me this episode to talk about some of the body of his works. I talk about being MIA and going through a difficult time.

In this episode, Miles and Duey Freeman explore the complexities of personal challenges, attachment theory, and the importance of male figures in healing. They discuss the impact of fragmentation in relationships, the role of addiction in emotional struggles, and the therapeutic benefits of working with horses. The conversation emphasizes the fluid nature of healing and the significance of connection and contact in fostering emotional well-being. In this conversation, Miles and Duey explore the intricate dynamics of animal interaction, particularly with horses, and how these principles can be applied to human relationships and therapy. They discuss the importance of building trust through incremental steps, the unique communication methods of horses, and the challenges men face in the therapy world. The conversation also delves into the impact of patriarchy on mental health and the growing epidemic of male loneliness, emphasizing the need for authentic connections and the integration of various therapeutic modalities.

00:00 Introduction and Personal Struggles

03:03 The Impact of Loss and Grief

05:53 Father Wounds and Male Mentorship

08:44 Attachment Theory and Its Evolution

11:48 Fragmented vs. Integrated Attachment

14:16 Addiction and the Need for Contact

16:57 The Role of Food, Touch, and Movement

20:03 Fluidity in Attachment and Relationships

35:47 The Importance of Relational Contact

38:07 Addiction and Predictability in Relationships

39:38 Contingent Eye Contact and Attachment

43:04 Connecting with Horses: A Therapeutic Approach