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2615: Identifying Food Sensitivities With Dr. Stephen Cabral
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Healing the Gut-Lymphatic Connection: The Missing Link in Health with Dr. Stephen Cabral Why take a food sensitivity test? (1:41) Addressing the skepticism surrounding these types of tests. (6:50) Explaining the gut-lymphatic connection....
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Ryan Seacrest
You just found the most downloaded fitness, health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind pump. We have Dr. Stephen Cabral back on the show. He's one of our favorite functional health. Today's episode talk a lot about gut health and in fact, we do a food sensitivity test. He comes in and goes over the results of mine, Doug's, Justin's, and Adam's. Some of the results you'll expect. And some of them are quite shocking. By the way, if you go to stephencabral.com foodtest that's S-T-E P-H-E-N-C-A-B-R-A L.com food test. You can get this food test for yourself. It's very easy. Do it at home and then find out what intolerances your body is showing now. This episode is brought to you by a sponsor. Eight sleep. This is the most advanced sleep system in the world. It sits on your bed, adjusts its temperature, uses AI technology to individualize your sleep system. In other words, it gives you the best sleep you've ever had. Period. End of story. Go check them out. Go to eightsleep.com mindpump use the code mindpump and get $350 off your very own Pod 5 Ultra. We also have a sale on some programs this month. The shredded summer bundle and the bikini bundle of programs are both 50% off. If you're interested, go to mapsfitnessproducts.com and then use the code JUNE50 for the discount. Here comes the show. Dr. Gabral, welcome back to the show.
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Adam Schaefer
Always a good time.
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Zoe Saldana
Great to be here.
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Ryan Seacrest
And we have more tests to review. We're going to talk about food sensitivities.
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Zoe Saldana
Yes.
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Ryan Seacrest
This is the most popular test that you have, if I'm not mistaken, in.
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Zoe Saldana
Functional medicine in general. Food sensitivity testing is one of the most popular, if not the most popular.
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Ryan Seacrest
Why would you say that is? Is it because it's just, it's inexpensive, easy, and it's a kind of nice first place to start or it's where.
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Adam Schaefer
Western medicine really doesn't go whatsoever. Wouldn't you say that? I mean, I would think that's like you could get a lot of the other stuff when it gets into hormones, things like that. You can get some insight when you go to your regular practitioner. They're not doing anything like this, that, that.
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Zoe Saldana
And people do this for ages 3 and up. So they're doing it with their kids. The whole family is doing it. It's really approachable. And everyone has to eat. Like that's the thing.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yeah.
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Zoe Saldana
So, like your nutrition absolutely matters more than anything, really. And the other big part of this is that people are feeling symptoms, like random symptoms could be skin rashes, maybe brain fog, lower energy, and they don't know what's causing it. And it could be a food that you literally ate two to three days ago because these are latent reactions that you're reacting to. So there's no other way to really figure this out.
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Ryan Seacrest
Right, right. And again, what you're looking at with these tests are not anaphylactic shock type of reactions, but rather, you mentioned it, latent reactions. So it's an autoimmune reaction that's more subtle, takes longer to kick in, but it can look and feel like a lot of different things, including lethargy, inflammation, of course, digestive issues and stuff like that. Right?
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Zoe Saldana
Yeah, absolutely. And so you can have a early reaction when you eat a food. That's the anaphylaxis that you were talking about, most typically known with peanuts or strawberries or things like that. And so you know, what is that? That's gonna be an immediate ige based reaction. So an immediate reaction, it's the easiest way to look at that. Hives, swelling of the throat, that is a real food allergy. Different than what we're talking about, which is sensitivities. So sensitivity just means non life threatening allergy. That's really what we're looking at. Now there's still immune reaction, so there could be an igm, which is a like intermediate one we call it, that's 24 hours later or so after you eat the food. And then the easiest way to think about it is igg, that's the late one, two to three days after you eat a food, you end up with skin rash, headaches, low mood, low energy inflammation, joint pain. So what is it? It's just creating inflammation. So the IgG is just an immunoglobulin, which is just a white blood cell that's going after a food that it has marked as far into your body. And when it goes after it, it creates inflammation when it actually begins to engulf it and remove it from your body. So the more you have that food, the more inflammation you get from that. Now again, it goes back to the rain barrel effect. Let's say you're also not eating well in general, not getting sleep, stressed. Right. If you already have a lot of inflammation, this is just one more thing you're adding in the rain barrel. And it's making a big difference. So these are the ones that we like to test most people. You always use this example. If you're sensitive to shellfish or, you know, lobster, and you eat it and you get hives, you don't need to run a lab test for that. You know you're sensitive. Right. So we want to do the ones that. This is a big one with kids, like should they eat dairy or not eat dairy? Well, I don't know. Let's take a look at the lab test and I will share with you. It's come a long way over the last 12 months with the lab testing too. So since it is so popular, and we were talking about this previous on the hormones based show, we are one of the largest utilizers of these lab tests around the world. So typically the top companies ship them all over the world, uk, Canada, US, et cetera. And what they did was we actually looked at again, you can anonymize this data, a population study of 79,000 people. And so we looked at 25%, from 25 to 50%, from 50 to 75 and then 75 to 90, 95 and then 95 and above. And so we're able to categorize people based on reactivity. And so what we're actually, which I love, because I love the research behind this, we're helping to increase even to a greater degree, not necessarily the number. The number is always the number. It's your reactivity, the potential for you to react to this food. So the likelihood you're going to have a symptomatic reaction, which is pretty amazing. So we're going to talk about the latest test which shows you the truest reactivity you're most likely having.
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Ryan Seacrest
Okay, so that implies that someone can have elevated IgG antibodies and not necessarily noticing symptoms.
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Zoe Saldana
Exactly right. Yes, exactly right. So we look at it from 0 to 25 because remember, you're eating foods which are non human, so there's some reactivity, but not great. That doesn't mean that is there some inflammation, normal inflammatory reaction. What we're finding is the 25 to 50%, which would ordinarily be low before. Before, call it like a year ago with our labs, you would see that as low. And our typical recommendation was remove for six weeks, not a big deal.
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Ryan Seacrest
See what happens?
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Zoe Saldana
Yeah. And then you know. Exactly. See if you feel better when you remove it and worse when you add it back in. And then most people have a tolerance for that food of like once or twice a week. It's not gonna be an everyday food.
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Ryan Seacrest
Right.
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Zoe Saldana
So that's the biggest difference we found is that the 25 to 50% may not need the full six week removal. You might just, you might have no symptoms if you're doing everything else well, but you also might just keep it at once or twice a week in your diet.
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Adam Schaefer
Okay, so this alludes to what I, how I wanted to start this conversation because I find that of all the Tests and all the things that we talk about, there seems to be the most skepticism around this type of testing. So is that kind of why? Because there's this wide range of. Well, yeah, you, maybe you don't have a full blown intolerance to it, but it's not ideal for you. And so people are finding that they get a test and it says like, oh, I shouldn't be eating this well, I seem fine when I eat it. Well, yeah, you're fine as long as you only eat it once a week or every other week. It's just. It shouldn't be a food every single day. So can you address like all the skepticism that is around this type of testing and why that is?
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Zoe Saldana
Yeah, 100%. So everybody believes that there is a legitimate reaction taking place in the body. Everybody believes in the IgE, IgA, IgM, IgG, that's immunoglobulins. That's fact. And we know that when you eat foods you have various reactions to these different immunoglobulins because it's seen the protein. So we're actually so people. That's the problem is that it's mistaken. Even with dietitians and medical doctors, they're like, well, this person clearly can't or can eat dairy because they don't get bloating, they don't get gas. I'm like, first of all, it's typically a digestive issue dealing with lactose, which is the carbohydrate or sugar in that and has nothing to do with the protein. So first it's just education around. We're looking at the proteins inside of these foods, which would be the reactivity. If you have dairy and you get gas or an issue like that, that is a digestive issue where your body's not producing enough lactase in order to break down the lactose, which is the sugar in dairy. That's a totally separate subject. So you could come out on this lab test and actually show you're not sensitive for certain foods, but when you eat them, you feel sensitive to them. And some people are like, well, it should have showed up in the test. No, that's a digestive based issue with bloating, gas, distension. Not a.
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Ryan Seacrest
Because these antibodies are. You're tagging them by the proteins.
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Zoe Saldana
That's right. Okay, now you said it could be autoimmune. It can actually. So you get enough of these and you get enough gut permeability, which, you know, I want to talk about for sure the gut lymphatic connection here. Because this is like really important. It can lead to autoimmune issues. You have a permeable enough gut where enough is seeping out, proteins, bacteria, mycotoxins, mold based like from food, which is in a lot of milk and dairy as well. And that will eventually lead to autoimmune issues in every person. No, but in genetically to susceptible people. Absolutely.
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Ryan Seacrest
Talk about. So what is the lymphatic system? People don't know. And what is the connection between those two?
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Zoe Saldana
So thethe lymphatic system flows through the entire body, but the biggest difference between that and blood is that it really moves on a manual based pump, which I'm sure you've probably chatted about before in the show. But that means that you need to literally move your body or move it. So rebounding, you know, trampoline, that type of thing is phenomenal for moving it. But also just heat sauna is a great thing to be able to move the lymphatic system or dry brushing or massage, always moving towards the heart. Now here's the interesting thing though, because outside of your intestines, so you've got about, call it 19, 20ft of small intestine, about 6ft or so of colon, your large intestine, all around that. And we've heard this term before, right? 70% or so of your immune system. Right. Well, what that is is actually it's the gut associated lymphoid tissue. So the gut and then associated just means part of lymph. So it's all this lymph that lives around the intestines and, and it's part of a greater system which is called a mucosa associated lymphoid tissue. Now what that looks like is it's basically a netting or gel, not exactly a gel, but it goes inside of the intestinal lumen, which is just the cell wall of your intestines and the laminate propyria flow, they take all the toxins and fats and they move them through the lymph nodes. And what happens though is if you have a more permeable gut, it's taking more toxins and it's getting backed up. So these lymph nodes and the lymph itself is getting congested. Think of like you haven't changed your oil in a while. It's like sludge rather than that nice viscosity that it's smooth and flowing over time, that sludge moving through your entire body. Well, what's it going to feel like? It feels like the lethargy that we Talked about the brain fog, the puffiness, the water retention, the low mood and the skin rashes. That's a big part of being imbalanced. And so much of our health really does depend on this gut associated lymphoid tissue. And when you have more than two thirds of it, 70 to 80% around your gut and digestion. That's why when people say, oh, no, you don't need to worry as much about your diet. Food and digestion, not just food, but the digestive system has to be one of the number one things you look at in terms of health.
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Ryan Seacrest
Hmm, backing up again. You know, you talked about dairy. I can take a lactase tablet with dairy and I won't get the immediate digestive distress, but I'll still get the inflammation. And it's because, and I've tested this years ago. I haven't done one a long time. So we'll see what it says now. But I have, you know, strong antibodies to the dairy protein.
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Zoe Saldana
Yes.
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Ryan Seacrest
So I can do lactate, I could do lactase, lactose free, which is better than with lactase, with lactose, but still not great. I still don't feel good from it.
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Zoe Saldana
And it's good that you recognize that because people will think, I can have dairy as long as I take my lactase tablets or an enzyme or whatever it might be. Now, those will be helpful in order to break down the carbohydrate, but they don't stop the reactivity of the protein. And you're exactly right. It will lead to whatever your susceptibility is. Could be joint pain, could be puffiness, could be water retention. You know, some people, they'll weigh 6 pounds, 7 pounds less from when they wake up in the morning to, you know, when they get on the scale at night. Now, some of that's normal, just rehydration, but a lot of that can be inflammation.
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Ryan Seacrest
How do you improve or help with that lymphatic, you know, detoxification process?
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Zoe Saldana
So the first part we want to look at with the digestive system, I always say there's about five main things it could be. We've chatted about it before, so I won't go too much more in depth. Maybe we can link up previous shows, but candida overgrowth, which happens all the time with antibiotic use or sibo. So, like, SIBO is another imbalance. But when you have SIBO again, you'll go to a medical doctor. What will they do? They'll give you an antibiotic. Okay. So it kills the bacteria. Now, you typically Relapse, because eventually it grows back, because it doesn't grow back properly. But it does nothing for the yeast overgrowth. So candida overgrowth begins to grow whenever you take antibiotics, also because there's no.
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Ryan Seacrest
Bacteria to check it.
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Adam Schaefer
Right.
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Ryan Seacrest
So candida now can just explode.
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Zoe Saldana
Exactly right. And now the candida has a lot of the same symptoms as the sibo, which is the bloating or gas, intestinal distension, all those things.
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Ryan Seacrest
Don't tell me, go back to the doctor, give more antibiotics.
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Zoe Saldana
Oh, the sibo must have come back. Right. And so, you know, that's, that's, that's the, you know, the cycle that people repeat. So I've got sibo swan tested bacterial overgrowth, We've got Candida, we have parasites, we have h. Pylori. But 25% of people are walking around with H. Pylori.
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Ryan Seacrest
Don't even know.
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Zoe Saldana
25%?
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
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Zoe Saldana
It's a huge number. And that's because it's so easily passed. You can get a salad bar, you can get it undercooked foods, you can get it person to person. Like, it's pretty easy to pass.
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Ryan Seacrest
It's true. If you have H. Pylori, your partner probably has it too.
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Zoe Saldana
A high likelihood. Unless some people's immune systems are unbelievable at killing the bacteria because it's an infection bacteria beforehand. And some people are just far more prone to it as well. And it's tough for them to kick it. They knock it down. They knocked it down. It doesn't really show up and then it comes back. But there's great things you can do for it. Number one thing is mastic gum. Believe it or not, the little Greek resin, it's called mastic gum. You take two to three grams a day. It's been working for hundreds to thousands of years for H. Pylori.
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Ryan Seacrest
Really?
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Zoe Saldana
Yeah. It's not the only thing I would do, but certainly it works great for that because eventually it causes peptic ulcers.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In fact, they used to think ulcers were due to so many other things, and then somebody realized it's a bad. It's a infection. So with the, with when you go back to candida sibo, is this why functional medicine practitioners like you tend to favor natural antimicrobials? Because they don't just kill bacteria, but they're also antifungal anti. Okay, so it's not just the same.
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Zoe Saldana
Thing that works for. Bacteria are going to work for the fungus as well. Okay, now there's, there's some that don't have the exact crossover, but most do. And also I'm, at least for me as a practitioner, I'm not a single nutrient type of provider. Meaning like some people just say we're just going to use oregano oil or we're just going to use UVA ursi. Because when I started to run all these labs many, many years ago on the lab test it actually the lab will show you on some of these labs if you do a bacteria and parasite stool test too, which nutritional supplements and which pharmaceuticals will actually work to kill your bacteria. And what I realized was like 2/3 of these are gonna work and one third isn't and you're not gonna know who the individual is gonna work for unless you're running a stool test. And nobody likes to run a stool test. So we created formulas, the CBO protocol which just uses all of them and it does it by month and it works for least strong to most strong. And the reason is then you don't have all the die off reactions because these, I mean when you think about 100 trillion bacteria in your gut now you're not killing them all off of course, but, but when these things die off, it doesn't always feel good. And so we do it at a much slower pace and it allows people.
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Ryan Seacrest
It's called with the Herxheimer effect.
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Zoe Saldana
That's right, yeah.
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Ryan Seacrest
The die off that you get from.
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Zoe Saldana
That originally founded due to antibiotics. So you take antibiotics and it does what it's supposed to do, it kills the bacteria. And if it kills too much bacteria too quickly, you have an awful Herxheimer reaction.
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Ryan Seacrest
It happens with parasite treatments as well.
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Zoe Saldana
It can for sure.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yeah. If I'm not mistaken.
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Zoe Saldana
Yeah. So those four plus food sensitivities, which are the fifth one, are all the reasons why people get gas bloating. And that's why when you have gas bloating you go to your doctor and they tell you you have irritable bowel syndrome. You know, you're like, that just means.
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Ryan Seacrest
We don't know what you have.
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Justin Andrews
Covers the base.
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Zoe Saldana
That's really what it means. They're basically saying that we don't know what's causing it, but we're going to give it a name.
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Justin Andrews
Tummy rumblings.
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Zoe Saldana
And then you've got an upset tummy and they'll give you some anti spasmodic drugs and other things like that and you know, send you on your way. But there's, there's really only five underlying root causes. That's the nice thing.
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Ryan Seacrest
What's the connection between, you know, gut health, the lymphatic system and skin. I'm always here. It comes out in your skin, Bad skin. You got skin, rash the skin. And I've noticed this with clients that when we, when they would work with people, functional medicine practitioners who help them with their gut health, their skin oftentimes would clear things like rashes and discoloration and stuff. Like, what's the connection? Is it really coming out? Are you really detoxifying your skin? Is that's, that's the terminology out here?
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Zoe Saldana
You really are. I mean, I know people don't love the word detoxification. It's like it's being used now more liberally and sometimes the right ways, sometimes not. But that is what your skin is literally meant to do. That's the nice thing. We are meant to sweat through our skin. And when you do sweat tests, you can actually look at mycotoxins, believe it or not, like mold coming out, mercury and all sorts of different bacteria. And you use a sauna. So that's why I love all sauna. So don't get me wrong, like the finished dry sauna. I've got a barrel sauna in Maine that I love using, but I also have an infrared sauna. And an infrared sauna allows it to penetrate deeper into the cells and tissue itself to further detoxify. So, yes, it is literally being pushed out through your skin. One of the number one reasons for acne, besides hormonal acne, is from bacteria. And so that's why they'll give antibiotics for one of the reasons I got so sick when I was 17.
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Ryan Seacrest
Isn't Accutane like a really strong antibiotic?
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Zoe Saldana
Well, it is. At least what I believe or know, understand why is a derivative of vitamin A? Oh, yeah, I believe it is. But they give antibiotics, so that was the issue with my gut. So from 14 years old to 17.
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Ryan Seacrest
Years old, you were on antibiotics the whole time?
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Zoe Saldana
The whole time. I took over 3,000 capsules of amoxicillin. Oh my God, twice a day I had the big containers, like I would go to the pharmacy and this was totally normal. Like, this was just like growing up in the 80s. You get your C packs, you got your amoxicillin, any case of a sniffle, you just take your Z pack. And then you know, for this. And you know what, it cleared up my, my acne. What it did was destroy my new gut associated lymphoid tissue. And then I ended up with 10 years of Addison's disease, type 2 diabetes. Acid reflux, all sorts of issues. So sure, got rid of the acne, clear skin. Had to trade that for a decade of my life. So, yeah, pretty brutal.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah, I'd rather have the pimples for a couple of years.
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Zoe Saldana
Exactly. Rather go through that. But also I was eating a terrible diet, right. Like, I mean, I was like sweating and, you know, not, not the best hygiene or cleansing of the skin when you're 14 years old and eating cereal and drinking Kool Aid in the morning and Little Debbie snacks in the afternoon. So not the best diet. But having said that, a big part of the, of acne is bacteria in.
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Ryan Seacrest
The blood cell because or due to the, the fact that the skin does help with the detoxification process when you go on treatment, when you go to support your liver and your lymphatic system, that you can actually get worse skin first, 100%.
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Zoe Saldana
So for two to three weeks, when using even like an N acetylcysteine, a glutathione, a CBO protocol, whatever it might be, you may get worse. Your skin might look worse for two to three weeks.
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Ryan Seacrest
And this is important to know for people listening, because they'll start it, you might be like, this was for my skin. And it's worse. But oftentimes get worse before you get better with these types of things.
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Zoe Saldana
And I know people don't want the worst, which is why I always say start lower. If the dose is four capsules a day, start at one capsule for the first week. It's going to take a little bit longer, but that's okay. Second week, do two. Third week, three. Next week, four. Now you're at the highest dosage so that your body slowly got into it. And that is the best way, kind of the best of all worlds. If you're really worried about that now, we will say it only happens in maybe one or two out of 10 cases. So it's not the majority. But because remember, the main detoxification organs are your liver first, then your kidneys and then your skin. And if you, if you aren't seeing the improvement or you want the improvement to happen faster in your skin, you can do sauna to sweat it out faster.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yeah.
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Zoe Saldana
And you can also do coffee enemas. And coffee enemas are.
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Ryan Seacrest
Okay, so explain that for me real quick. So why does coffee enemas help you detox? I never understood that.
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Justin Andrews
Is it the antioxidant?
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Ryan Seacrest
I just don't get. Is it the. Yeah, why. Why not drink your coffee? Why is that? Why in the ass.
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Zoe Saldana
So you can drink the coffee, which is good too. There's nothing wrong with the polyphenols in coffee are great and they actually can help with detoxification. Too much caffeine actually is not great for detoxification. Can slow down the. It's called the cytochrome P450 pathway. But with a coffee enema. So it sounds kind of strange, but to demystify it, literally, you're just using three tablespoons of a clean coffee, you know, organic mold free coffee. You put in a French press, keep it there for about 10 minutes, put it into a bin. I don't like people putting them in plastic bags because then you get the phthalates and other things coming in your body, you let it cool down to about room temp.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yeah, you don't want hot coffee.
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Zoe Saldana
Hot coffee.
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Adam Schaefer
You need to say that.
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Zoe Saldana
You got to say everything now because it'll immediately come out if you do hot coffee. And then you're inserting the sterile tube and basically you're rolling from your left side onto your back. You're trying to hold it for 12 to 15 minutes. And so this started. Well, this has been around for hundreds of years, forever. And then they started to get popularized with anti cancer based treatments.
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Ryan Seacrest
Right, right.
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Zoe Saldana
And the reason is, is they're just trying to work on detoxification happening at a greater degree. So how it really happens though, is that it's cycling through your liver, meaning the, the caffeine itself and the polyphenols from the coffee.
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Ryan Seacrest
So you have a it bypass the digestive system. I'm assuming that's why you're doing that.
- [23:47]
Zoe Saldana
That's right. So your colon is attached to the liver and so typically the bile would be able to drop down to the small intestine of the liver itself through the hepatic portal vein and the hepatic portal arteries, which bring blood flow to the to liver itself. So what we have is the coffee is being uptaken to the liver, the liver. Then there's an enzyme, glutathione. S transferase is being increased. More glutathione is being produced by the liver. That's the master antioxidant of phase two detoxification, which is the most important to change fat soluble toxins to water soluble toxins. Then after 12 to 15 minutes of holding the enema, a lot of the bile and a lot of the toxins held in the liver will immediately move to the colon and it'll be removed in a bowel movement. So it's just a faster way to remove.
- [24:33]
Ryan Seacrest
Do you absorb the caffeine that way, then, or are you getting, like a big old caffeine you spike?
- [24:36]
Zoe Saldana
Many people are sensitive, so we say try to do it before the noon.
- [24:40]
Ryan Seacrest
Hour, but it's got to be regular coffee, not Folgers.
- [24:44]
Zoe Saldana
Folgers may work, but probably not the best. Chock full of nuts.
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Adam Schaefer
Commit to the audience that we'll have Doug do this and then we'll get this.
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Zoe Saldana
Now the best way to do it. I talk about this in my book as well. If you're willing to go all in, you do some rebounding or dry brushing. First you get in the sauna, and then you can do some dry brushing, the sauna if you want, and then you do the coffee enema. So basically, you're mobilizing a lot of these toxins with an infrared sauna and the dry brushing and rebounding, and then you do the coffee enema.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yeah.
- [25:09]
Zoe Saldana
So they've been using this Gerson Institute many places for how you do it.
- [25:12]
Ryan Seacrest
At the end, because you get them committed first. You don't start with the enema. You start with the sun. Okay, this is going good. Good.
- [25:18]
Adam Schaefer
That escalated fast.
- [25:21]
Zoe Saldana
So I'm not saying you need to do a coffee enema, but if you're looking to get rid of a lot of these symptoms faster.
- [25:27]
Adam Schaefer
No, that's great. I've always. Our. Our buddy Ben Greenfield has done it many times, and I think that we've joked about it.
- [25:32]
Ryan Seacrest
I've always.
- [25:33]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, we've always been curious to like, okay, what is really going on here for.
- [25:36]
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah, don't drink that coffee.
- [25:37]
Zoe Saldana
I've actually, I've talked with Ben on his show about coffee.
- [25:41]
Ryan Seacrest
So I've never heard of the gut lymph connection before. Is this something that is being explored recently in functional medicine, or is it like, I've never heard it before?
- [25:50]
Zoe Saldana
Almost. Almost never. No one talks about the lymphatic system in general and just really how important it is for the immune system. So we talk about boosting our immune system. We talk about how, oh, 80% of the immune system is inside of your gut. But really, it's just that the pears patches, the mesenchyme all around the intestines are filled with what's going to be able to produce antibodies. And so the secretory IgA and these immunoglobulins. We're going to be talking a little bit today with the food test of the IgG. All of those sit right there and they wait for pathogens, toxins, et cetera to come In. And when they do, their job is to basically corral them through this fluid that looks like veins that move through the body and it moves through nodes. And the lymph nodes are. They're all over the body, but big patches behind the knees, in the groin, the armpits, around the neck, your tonsils, adenoids. Those are.
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Ryan Seacrest
That's why they get swollen when you get sick. Right? Because they're a bunch of antibodies.
- [26:47]
Zoe Saldana
Yes. There's a lot of cleaning process that goes on. Yeah, absolutely. So if you get swollen lymph nodes, that's a real serious infection or virus. A lot of people, they'll get a cut on their foot. They get a swollen lymph node in their groin. That's important to look at that. Okay. Do I have an infected cut anywhere on that leg below that? Because you want to. That's a serious sign that you need to have that taken.
- [27:07]
Adam Schaefer
Interesting.
- [27:07]
Zoe Saldana
Yeah.
- [27:07]
Ryan Seacrest
I had a client once who had a swollen lymph node, but there was a spot of acne that was slightly infected that was causing the inflammation. Yeah. Because it's the closest.
- [27:18]
Adam Schaefer
Did you know that or did you find that out later?
- [27:20]
Ryan Seacrest
I did not know it at the moment. I used to train a lot of doctors and so I had a client with that. My next client was coming as a doctor, I'm like, hey, do you mind if I ask you a question? You know, free, whatever. And they explain, oh, it might be because you have this, you know, right here. And sure enough, that's what it was.
- [27:35]
Zoe Saldana
Yeah. In the back of the neck. I've seen that too, with jewelry. People wearing nickel plated or different types of jewelry and actually having a reaction because that can be absorbed through the dermal layer of the skin.
- [27:44]
Ryan Seacrest
Interesting. Very interesting.
- [27:46]
Zoe Saldana
So it's. All right, well, so the lymphatic system itself, if you get this right, it's going to improve not just your overall immune system, but the quality and clarity of your skin and your energy. Because if, as I said before, if that lymphatic system is slow and sludge like, and you're not getting it to move, you're going to feel tired, you're going to feel swollen and puffy and retaining a lot of water retention for.
- [28:06]
Ryan Seacrest
People working a desk job, I would assume, then it's very important for many reasons, but for this one as well, for them to get up and flex their legs a little bit and their upper body just to allow. Because this doesn't. This is not connected to your heart. Right. So your heart doesn't pump this Fluid through. It's movement and muscle contractions and whatnot. That okay?
- [28:26]
Zoe Saldana
Yeah, 100%. And if you. If you can't get it from your desk, ideally you're getting up from your desk once an hour at least to stand.
- [28:32]
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah.
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Zoe Saldana
You know, that's. That's the biggest thing. Just try to stand, walk around, use the bathroom, get water, whatever you need to do. But if you can't, as you were talking about before, plantar dorsiflexion with your ankle. So literally just pump your calves. And that's going to move the blood flow back up, not just for your lymphatic system, but for your blood pressure. I mean, if you start to let blood just pool in your legs, it's one of the worst things that you can do for overall, the peripheral artery, which is down there for, you know, stenosis of that. That's really important because it's not just the artery in our neck or the arteries and around our heart, it's the one down on the calf as well.
- [29:04]
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah.
- [29:04]
Zoe Saldana
So that's a much overlooked one. And then you probably can't do this in your office, but putting your legs up a wall. So you put your hips against the wall, legs up the wall kind of stretches your hamstrings a little bit, lets the blood flow down. It's really relaxing, nice for a lot of people.
- [29:17]
Ryan Seacrest
What are those tables, Cole, where you hang up?
- [29:18]
Justin Andrews
Those too.
- [29:20]
Ryan Seacrest
There you go. You must like those then.
- [29:21]
Zoe Saldana
I do. For a lot of people. Not if you have high blood pressure.
- [29:24]
Ryan Seacrest
Of course.
- [29:27]
Zoe Saldana
If you're pregnant, yes. But for the most part, it takes a lot of the pressure off your spine as well. So it's interesting. But about a year and a half ago, I started to get some neck pain, like some cracking in my neck. And I'm like, all right, well, let's go figure out what this is. And so I did all the exercises to help. You know, I always do a yearly full body mri. Take a look at it. Okay. Yeah, there's a little something going on there. And it's from City. I can't get rid of it with all the postural based work, the rhomboid work, like everything, like opening up muscles, levator, scapula, you name it does not matter. It is the compression for me being seated. And so that is when I always had a standing. I've had a standing desk for like five or six years. I just said the first half of the day I don't sit down. And I have a anti fatigue mat under the feet, which Helps a lot. And then I'm just at my desk working and it makes a tremendous difference.
- [30:15]
Ryan Seacrest
Wow.
- [30:15]
Zoe Saldana
Yeah. Like literally then the neck pain, the popping's all gone.
- [30:18]
Ryan Seacrest
Awesome.
- [30:18]
Zoe Saldana
And then do my workout, like four or five, you know, hours after that. And I can do all those prehab exercises just to warm up. So I don't know how we got on that topic or how I got on that topic, but yeah, no, it helps. It helps tremendously.
- [30:28]
Ryan Seacrest
Awesome. All right, let's look at our. Our test. I can't wait to see what's going on. I'm the guy historically with all the gut health issues, although it's been a lot better.
- [30:36]
Adam Schaefer
You've been really good though, so it'll be interesting to see.
- [30:38]
Zoe Saldana
I remember you saying that you had previous gut based issues. You had done some work.
- [30:42]
Ryan Seacrest
I still, I mean, compared to the typical person with good gut health, it would still be. I'd still be, you know, for lack of a term, sensitive, but a lot better than. I struggle with it for years. I mean, for the first, probably eight years of the podcast.
- [30:54]
Zoe Saldana
Yeah.
- [30:54]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [30:54]
Justin Andrews
Mine really ramped up after hanging out with him, so I'm pretty sure that's why.
- [30:59]
Zoe Saldana
So what foods do you feel. We'll go over yours first, Sal, but what foods do you feel your most sensitive?
- [31:04]
Ryan Seacrest
Historically? Dairy first, gluten. Egg whites can be on or off. Right now I seem to be okay with egg whites, but in the past they were bad. Peanuts were bad in the past, but they seem to be okay again. And I think. I think that's pretty much it. Legumes sometimes can cause issues also, but maybe not so much these days.
- [31:24]
Zoe Saldana
And what type of symptoms do you get?
- [31:26]
Ryan Seacrest
Gluten is latent, so gluten. If I eat gluten, I'll notice swelling. A little bit of swelling, inflammation, some gut issues. That'll pop up about a day or two later. Dairy is almost that night. Like, I'm just stiff. I just feel stiff. And I avoid gluten. Excuse me? Dairy. Almost 100. 100. I just stay away from it for the most part. The other ones I don't avoid. There was a period of time when I had to stay away from eggs, but I don't anymore, and they don't seem to cause any issues.
- [31:52]
Zoe Saldana
Do you have eggs daily? Previous? Pretty much maybe a year ago.
- [31:56]
Ryan Seacrest
You know, not as much, but there was a. But I'll go through stints where I'll have them every single day.
- [32:00]
Zoe Saldana
Okay. And a lot.
- [32:01]
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah.
- [32:01]
Zoe Saldana
And obviously they can be a great food. B vitamins.
- [32:04]
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah.
- [32:05]
Zoe Saldana
Increase dope meat.
- [32:06]
Ryan Seacrest
And I mean if I eat eggs, it's like eight. I don't, I don't just eat two.
- [32:09]
Zoe Saldana
Yep, yep. So you had about the same sensitivities as you had when we ran this about two years ago.
- [32:14]
Ryan Seacrest
Okay.
- [32:15]
Zoe Saldana
So and when you look at, there's a lot. So you're not able to give a diagnosis of this person has leaky gut or increasing permeability. But when you see more than call it 8 to 12 foods, it's a high likelihood.
- [32:29]
Ryan Seacrest
Sure.
- [32:30]
Zoe Saldana
And so you, what happens then is that when you have more increased intestine permeability. This is another reason why people don't love the test because they're like, well, it just shows the foods that you're eating. But as we're about to see here today, we've got four people. Two of them are high, two of them are just normal low. And you're all eating, you know, at least 30, 40 different foods a week. So if that was true, all these foods would show up. But you know, what I will say is that historically you have shown up for all types of dairy and you still do. Some people, their immune system innate, like it's gonna go after dairy, they just don't do well with it. It's still, a cow's milk is still the number one sensitivity. But what's interesting on yours is you're really sensitive to all types of dairy.
- [33:09]
Ryan Seacrest
Yep. Including goat milk, dairy, all of it.
- [33:11]
Zoe Saldana
But a lot of people can get away with goat, sheep, because the protein molecules are so much smaller. Like it's just, it's much easier to absorb, they're less inflammatory. So the, the categories, because you're high on 37 foods. So the categories are some nuts, some legumes, which I can go over. But mainly it is dairy, eggs, almonds, peanuts that are your biggest ones. And it's egg whites, not the yolks. Now I will say that your high reactivity was cut in half. So it's better now from what was two years ago. So, so previously you had about 18 high foods, which is quite high. Now you have nine. So that is better. Over the last two years, what I would recommend is that you do a true gut healing based protocol which you don't have to eliminate a lot of the foods. What I would say is if you're eating more than every three to four hours, if you can, you'll still have the same macros, but you'll move those a little bit further apart just to give your digestion time. If you're not doing 12 to 14 hours of digestive rest. Call it from 7 at night to 7 in the morning. Six at night, six in the morning. Give yourself a little bit of rest. And I would use, we have a product called Healthy Gut Support, but people can find any product they want, which is L glutamine, N acetyl, glucosamine, aloe vera, zinc, carnosine is a big one. And then marshmallow root, just for the inflammation.
- [34:35]
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah. Isn't that for the marsh mucosa lining as well?
- [34:38]
Zoe Saldana
That's right. So I would use that for 12 weeks. So if you're decreasing sensitivities of those foods, which sounds like you're already doing a lot of that, and then you're helping to rebuild that mucosa. And if I didn't mention glutamine. Glutamine and zincarnosine are two of the biggest ones. You're gonna use 5 to 10 grams of that a day. So 1 to 2 servings. You pop it in any shake, doesn't really matter. It mixes instantly. That's gonna be what your body needs to heal that. But in terms of overall inflammation, it'll go down dramatically.
- [35:02]
Ryan Seacrest
And in between those two tests, I got treated for a parasite. So I think that might have been playing a big role.
- [35:08]
Zoe Saldana
I would say so, yes. What parasite did you have?
- [35:11]
Ryan Seacrest
Do you remember Tapeworm?
- [35:12]
Zoe Saldana
Wow. Okay. Yeah. So even after you go through a parasite based protocol, you want to do the same healing because of that? Because it is strong. Parasite protocols should be done by most people, honestly. But they are quite strong.
- [35:25]
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah. How common would you say? A lot more common than people think.
- [35:28]
Zoe Saldana
Like we're talking about H. Pylori. It's about the same. It's about a third worldwide when you look at that. But you're looking at other developing countries without clean water. And so it's much more common to get giardia and other parasites like that. But parasites are a chronic immune stimulant, which is why they're so bad for you. Sometimes, again with a parasite, people that may have no symptoms at all. Oh, yeah, Maybe they'll have teeth grinding, maybe they'll have night sweats, maybe they'll have loose stool, maybe. But oftentimes it's nothing except the end of the end with an autoimmune issue because they're chronically immunostimulated.
- [36:01]
Justin Andrews
I just pointed because you said teeth grinding and I was like that. I'm on. I just ordered one to. To go through. Just because I. People just recently told me that, that was an association there.
- [36:12]
Zoe Saldana
It can be. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
- [36:14]
Ryan Seacrest
Plus the itchy butt, right?
- [36:15]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [36:15]
Zoe Saldana
Well, if you have that, that's usually pinworms, but it could be, it could be any parasite.
- [36:20]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, it has been a little itchy.
- [36:22]
Zoe Saldana
It actually is a big, it's a big sign of kids. Like parents should know that. Oh, it's super common to kids and it's. And it's, you know, so if you see your kid kind of itching the butt. Yeah. Then you should say, okay, they might have pain. We should do a parasport protocol and get that done. All right. So obviously you're going to get all these results. The nice thing is they're categorized high, moderate and low.
- [36:43]
Ryan Seacrest
Okay.
- [36:44]
Zoe Saldana
As we talked about before, the low might just be cut down to one once or twice a week. The moderate should be a 12 week elimination. The high is a six month. And I'll tell you this. So again, we work with a great third party lab testing amazing scientists. We had a huge call. It was 12 people on the call. And again, I won't make this too long because I know it's like me and like three other people that might be interested, but we geek out over all this and it is. They're finding that it's legitimately six months to really have those IgG immunoglobulins stop having the memory of these foods.
- [37:14]
Ryan Seacrest
Okay.
- [37:15]
Zoe Saldana
And then some don't. So this is an important one that if you really want to get rid of a food sensitivity, earn the side of six months if you can.
- [37:22]
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah, well, my dairy one just stuck around and I never have it, but it's just there.
- [37:25]
Zoe Saldana
Yep. Some people continually have that. For me, the ones that stick around, two random ones, kidney beans and almonds. So I'll have like three or four. Everybody has like two, three food sensitivities. Normally, like this is normal. I don't eat almonds and I've never eaten kidney beans because I don't even like kidney beans. And they just always show up. So it's a reactivity again, not to the kidney bean itself, but the amino acid. Yeah, the protein. Exactly. All right, Justin's up next. Let's take a look at yours.
- [37:50]
Justin Andrews
Knew it.
- [37:51]
Zoe Saldana
You're too strong, guys. Now the nice thing is you went from 45 reactions two years ago to 34. So there is a banishment.
- [37:56]
Adam Schaefer
45.
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Zoe Saldana
45.
- [37:58]
Adam Schaefer
Holy.
- [37:58]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, I was. You guys don't remember that? I remember just him.
- [38:01]
Adam Schaefer
Oh, no, I remember.
- [38:02]
Zoe Saldana
Yeah.
- [38:03]
Justin Andrews
Going over it and, and, and you.
- [38:05]
Zoe Saldana
Were eating quite a bit of dairy and cheese before that, I was a wheel a day. You were saying in a gallon you.
- [38:12]
Justin Andrews
Had to wash it down.
- [38:12]
Zoe Saldana
Yeah, but so also your high reactivity went from. Let's do the math here. 18. Yeah. 18 down to 15. So improvement there.
- [38:24]
Ryan Seacrest
You still improvement?
- [38:25]
Zoe Saldana
Yeah, yeah. So there's definitely improvement. Now we're trying.
- [38:27]
Adam Schaefer
You guys a tummy guy, bro, what's going on over there?
- [38:30]
Ryan Seacrest
So he doesn't say anything.
- [38:31]
Zoe Saldana
That's why they are all dairy. Yeah, all dairy. And gluten. All dairy, basically. Also, you won't let it go.
- [38:40]
Adam Schaefer
That's why.
- [38:40]
Ryan Seacrest
Bro, I'm sorry.
- [38:42]
Adam Schaefer
You won't let it go.
- [38:43]
Justin Andrews
So like he said, it's latent. So for me, like with dairy, it's weird because I don't feel it till like two days or so.
- [38:49]
Ryan Seacrest
But you have it.
- [38:49]
Justin Andrews
But I do get it. So. So I play that game like, ah.
- [38:54]
Ryan Seacrest
Well, you know, just keep it going.
- [38:56]
Justin Andrews
I'm not gonna feel it right now. Gluten I feel. I feel immediately with gluten.
- [39:01]
Zoe Saldana
What do you feel when you, when you have gluten immediately?
- [39:02]
Justin Andrews
What's the reaction? It's usually just like heartburn, like almost like instantaneously.
- [39:07]
Zoe Saldana
Yeah. Okay. And then you had a random one. So I'll always call it a random one. That's high celery. I don't even know if you eat celery. But celery did show up.
- [39:17]
Adam Schaefer
He's over there. He's.
- [39:22]
Zoe Saldana
So. So nothing.
- [39:24]
Adam Schaefer
Can't follow the celery diet now. There goes that. There's that one up.
- [39:29]
Zoe Saldana
Was casein and glad. And gladin is the main protein in wheat. So it's. It's a big one to look at there too. And then besides that, it's just. It's yogurt, it's mozzarella, it's cheddar, cow's milk, sheep's whey.
- [39:41]
Adam Schaefer
Every cheese, bro. Every cheese dog.
- [39:43]
Ryan Seacrest
Every.
- [39:43]
Zoe Saldana
Every cheese.
- [39:44]
Adam Schaefer
Every cheese, bro.
- [39:45]
Zoe Saldana
And I, I'm just the, the messenger that. So not my lab. I don't have anything to do with it. But you know, I would. If you can do a 21 day elimination now, you fill that obviously with the food that you're not sensitive to. It is interesting to see. Sometimes people will feel more brain clarity, like just more energy in general. They feel lighter. They just have more energy. I would try it for 21 days.
- [40:07]
Ryan Seacrest
I gotta tell you.
- [40:07]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [40:08]
Ryan Seacrest
I mean, he went off dairy after the last one and he was intolerable. We could not handle him. He was so angry. So there's another connection There not just the immune system. I think it's just psychological. Psychologically, you need to have it.
- [40:20]
Justin Andrews
The food is some connection to it being like some kind of, like they said, like a heroin molecule. There's some drug effect to, like, eating cheese. And I was like, there is, actually.
- [40:31]
Zoe Saldana
Yeah. With casein and there's one with gluten as well. Yeah. In the brain themselves, they can have addictive properties.
- [40:37]
Justin Andrews
That's probably what it is. I'm like, detoxing or something.
- [40:40]
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah.
- [40:41]
Zoe Saldana
And it may.
- [40:41]
Adam Schaefer
It may take 2 degrees, just like a regular addict. Denial, too.
- [40:45]
Zoe Saldana
Wow. I didn't. I didn't know you're being serious. Like, that's. That's. Yeah. That's interesting. So there was a real. Yeah.
- [40:49]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [40:49]
Zoe Saldana
I wish I. It's not coming to me right off the top of my head.
- [40:51]
Adam Schaefer
That's right. That's why he went back. He originally said, like, I'd rather be messed up gut.
- [40:58]
Ryan Seacrest
And we agree.
- [40:58]
Justin Andrews
Just snapping on everybody. Like, everybody was in my.
- [41:02]
Ryan Seacrest
Oh, yeah, I brought him some cheese. Have this, man.
- [41:06]
Zoe Saldana
So if it is a food that you can't really live without, you maybe even look at, though, like, every other day, you might. You might look at that. And then. But the cheese substitutes, though, I. I have to say, they're pretty terrible.
- [41:15]
Justin Andrews
They're horrible.
- [41:15]
Zoe Saldana
Yeah. It's really nice when you.
- [41:20]
Adam Schaefer
How long did you Mess with the GLP1? Did you do that for a while?
- [41:22]
Justin Andrews
I did do that.
- [41:23]
Adam Schaefer
Did that. Tamp that down at all?
- [41:25]
Justin Andrews
No, I. I'm. Oh, man. Like, I just. I. I didn't have a good reaction.
- [41:29]
Ryan Seacrest
You went full dose. That's why.
- [41:31]
Adam Schaefer
And then that was it. And then you didn't mess with it again after that?
- [41:33]
Zoe Saldana
No.
- [41:33]
Justin Andrews
And then I did. I did a micro. And it just.
- [41:37]
Zoe Saldana
Yeah.
- [41:37]
Justin Andrews
Honestly, it didn't agree with me.
- [41:38]
Adam Schaefer
Interesting.
- [41:39]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. If I didn't do well with it.
- [41:41]
Zoe Saldana
Just a hypothesis. I bet GLP ones increase gut permeability and food sensitivities. Now you're eating less. But it is causing a gastroparesis. Like, it's causing a slowing of the digestive system. And if bacteria begins to build, that can cause an immune reaction. That can be interesting. So I don't know that. I mean, they haven't been really a lot around long.
- [42:01]
Justin Andrews
I like that theory, but only because I just. I couldn't explain it. I was like. I didn't. And I was hoping for some kind of. If it was an. An autoimmune thing, like, you know, if that was going to help, but it didn't.
- [42:11]
Zoe Saldana
Well just watch that this does for the both of you guys that it does not turn into start to feel like joint pain or other skin rash based issues which could be autoimmune in nature. So it's just something to keep an eye on. I know you guys are always on the cutting edge, but have you tried BP157?
- [42:26]
Ryan Seacrest
Yeah.
- [42:26]
Zoe Saldana
Not injectable but oral for the gut.
- [42:29]
Ryan Seacrest
I take it, yeah.
- [42:30]
Zoe Saldana
And, and have you felt any improvement from that?
- [42:33]
Ryan Seacrest
Yes, I was starting to take too high of a dose because that's what I do with peptides. But, but when I was taking the normal dose.
- [42:39]
Zoe Saldana
How many milligrams did you take?
- [42:41]
Ryan Seacrest
Well, I'm supposed to take 500.
- [42:42]
Zoe Saldana
Yes.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yeah.
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Zoe Saldana
So you're doubling that?
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Ryan Seacrest
Well, we'll, we'll just keep that up there.
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Zoe Saldana
Well, I like, so for me, like I learned from everyone that I work with, I like to know like, okay.
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Ryan Seacrest
What you're telling you all fair.
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Adam Schaefer
Bit of a thing.
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Ryan Seacrest
I don't want no listeners to copy me is what I'm saying.
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Zoe Saldana
Yeah, I, I can agree with that as well. So yeah, 500 really should be your max dosage if you're taking it orally and they make some. But I haven't had, no, I haven't even had enough anecdotal data hasn't been around long enough that there's great science based data on it. Now again I'm saying that it's most likely a very safe one to try and that anecdotally people do say that they can feel better. The injectable can be great for muscle tissue repair along with. What is it? Is it TB500, TA500 thymus and beta or TB500. So it's basically a partner with it. One's more for muscle, tendon, ligament, but that one has to be injectable and where BP157 for the gut should be oral for that. So anyway, that was interesting. All right, so yeah, both of you guys definitely recommend the gut healing protocol. I don't know that a probiotic would be best for you right now. If you already have a lot of bacteria in the gut, you might feel more bloated or you might feel better. We use one called clean gut probiotic which helps to push out some of the yeast. It's transient, which means it's unique that it only hangs around for two weeks and then it moves on itself. If you started, I would start at a lower dose, one capsule instead of two. But I would definitely work on the gut repair and then as much Elimination as you can. And since we did look at those hormone tests before and your cortisol levels were lower, that's a good sign too, because high levels of cortisol will increase gut permeability.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yeah.
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Zoe Saldana
And so that's not great, not only for it lowers certain white blood cells, but if it increases gut permeability, it's going to throw off the immune system there around the gut lymphatic system. All right, Adam is up next.
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Adam Schaefer
Good for you, Doug.
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Zoe Saldana
Adam went from too high to zero. So cow's milk and yogurt were high. Casein, which is the main protein. About 80% of the protein in dairy was moderate. You now have no high, no moderate, which is great to see. And the casein and cow's milk are now low reactivity. And previously you had egg white and whey. They're still low. And you have yogurt on there too. Five total, yeah.
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Adam Schaefer
Oh, interesting. Yeah, I wouldn't have thought that.
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Zoe Saldana
So. And yogurt's a little bit of a strange one. We've got the fermentability of that, which really more affects the carbohydrates than anything else.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
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Zoe Saldana
But we still look at it on a, on a reactivity scale.
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Adam Schaefer
Okay.
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Zoe Saldana
Yeah. So all low. You know, you could do a six week elimination and then it's just, it's cow's milk, dairy only goat. And whey would be okay.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
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Zoe Saldana
And have you ever tried a goat whey protein?
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Adam Schaefer
I haven't. I do notice and I've told these guys before, like, I even feel okay with minimal dairy, but as soon as I, if I had like 2 servings of dairy in a day, I noticed stuff. So it seems like if I. Or tolerance. Yeah. If. Or if I even have it, Kate, Every other couple days seems to be fine. It's. If I start to compound days back to back or two times in a day, then I start to notice things like that. But I've, I've switched a lot of, like, I use more of the bone broth, protein powder nowadays. Rarely ever do I use whey anymore. You know, occasionally. Very, very rare, though, so. Which is probably why you, why you notice that.
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Zoe Saldana
So I think this is a good case that if you eliminate it long enough, these sensitivities can go away.
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Adam Schaefer
Okay. And yogurt's all yogurts. So that would be like Greek yogurt. Everything like that would fall in that category.
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Zoe Saldana
This, when they look at yogurt, they look at cows based yogurt. You could look at a goat milk yogurt A sheep yogurt, which would be totally fine.
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Adam Schaefer
Okay.
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Zoe Saldana
They're typically lower in protein, but goat. Goat milk itself is higher in minerals, many minerals, especially potassium, than cow's milk. But cow's milk is more anabolic.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
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Zoe Saldana
So it is better at building muscle.
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Adam Schaefer
I don't need any more.
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Ryan Seacrest
You know, it's a difference. Do you see a difference between the. Because I know that the dairy muscle, the dairy particles of protein is smaller and go. But what about the A2 proteins in dairy? Because I see these advertised all the time as easier to digest.
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Zoe Saldana
Yeah. There seems to be less reactivity in terms of an inflammatory component. But I haven't seen it change the results of a. If you're sensitive to this amino acid profile, you're sensitive to it. But it is, it's. I think it's like looking at organic strawberries versus regular strawberries. So people will react to conventional strawberries because they are the number one sprayed food basically out there. And so are you reacting to the strawberry or you're reacting to the hybridization and the spray that's all over it? And then with a two, like different types of Jersey cows or cows in general, are you reacting to the inflammatory nature of. Of this cow and all that they're fed? Because, you know, these A2 cows, they're not feeding them like the same way. You know, So I look at it in a little bit different way. I think you're looking at a much cleaner and healthier original variety than you are a hybridized or heavily sprayed one. Okay. And so Adam, we went over that, which is great. There's no. No, again, no real changes there. These are when they're low. That just means every once in a while foods or maybe once a week.
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Adam Schaefer
So how many were moderates that you would say maybe try get rid of for six weeks? How many you had?
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Zoe Saldana
No moderate, no high.
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Adam Schaefer
Oh, no moderate, no high.
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Zoe Saldana
So just. Yeah. Before you had three high and moderate. Now you have none. So it really, I mean this is. It's as good as it gets because everybody always has like one or two.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
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Zoe Saldana
So it's just a cat. You're in a category. Right. So you're. If you look at it, casein, yogurt, cow's milk, whey. That's just dairy.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
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Zoe Saldana
Like, so it's only one category. And then egg whites is the second.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yeah.
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Zoe Saldana
And so it's not all foods. It's. You could have sheep or goats, baked based cheese every once in a while.
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Adam Schaefer
Now, what would you attribute it getting so much better in that time. Now I did during that time, this, the two tests is when I went through that GLP one thing. And I reduced calories, like big time. And very, very minimal food. I was eating, I was eating. I was probably not having a lot of dairy at all. Is that just why I probably gave my gut a break for that period of time and then would that. What would cause it? It's like I went in and did a protocol to solve that. During that time, what's most likely what happened?
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Zoe Saldana
So you didn't have high numbers to begin with. You were at 8 total, which is kind of like our baseline is like after 10 to 12, eight, it's like that very top. So we wouldn't say there might be massive gut permeability in the first place.
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Adam Schaefer
Okay.
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Zoe Saldana
But the igg cells, the immunoglobulins needed time not to see those foods. So if you did a six month elimination, their previous memory and reactivity to that as an antigen would have gone down or gone away.
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Adam Schaefer
Okay.
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Zoe Saldana
It doesn't happen, everybody.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
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Zoe Saldana
But we do see it a lot with eggs, so. Meaning some people are high in eggs after a six month elimination. They come way down and they can start having those a couple times a week.
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Adam Schaefer
Okay.
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Zoe Saldana
So overall, yeah, like, very, very good. And then Doug, good for you. Doug was, Doug was our champion.
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Adam Schaefer
Wow.
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Zoe Saldana
And finally we're looking at us, we're looking at no high before, and you had one moderate, which was rye, a form of essentially wheat based bread. And then low before was abalone and miso. So a fish and then miso, which.
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Sal Destefano
Which is strange, you rarely eat those.
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Ryan Seacrest
You gotta stop eating those abalones.
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Zoe Saldana
But remember, like, this is just again looking at like, I've had kidney beans before. I don't eat kidney beans. So it's that reactivity of that protein, beta lactoglobulin, which is, you know, it's high. But we see that sometimes this is more a reactivity to like the immunity of dairy itself, which is, which is an interesting one. So I wouldn't get overly concerned about that in any way, shape or form. Just like we don't get overly concerned when someone comes high for bromelain. Bromelain is an enzyme that your body may or may not react to. It's literally something that breaks down. It's like a proteolytic enzyme that starts to break down fiber and other things in your body. That's very, very helpful. So you had no moderate this time. So rye is gone. It's off the list. No more abalone. If that's even how you pronounce it. Or miso. Whey and octopus are on the low side now.
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Ryan Seacrest
Okay.
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Adam Schaefer
Big octopus guy.
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Zoe Saldana
Yeah, lots of octopus. Sometimes people eat octopus as a little appetizer. Mediterranean octopus, grilled octopus. But those are low. So again, if you had them once a week or so, it wouldn't be a big deal. If you're having whey right now, it might be worth it for six weeks or maybe 10 weeks, 12 weeks maximum. To eliminate that, go with a different type of whey. When they say weigh in this, they're talking about cow's milk. So you could try a goat's whey. There's not a lot of sheep's whey out there right now. Or just a different protein putter.
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Sal Destefano
Yeah. Interestingly, I started to eat a protein bar almost every day I'm here that has whey in it. So that's probably what's it could be.
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Zoe Saldana
But again, like, so if we want to go back to that, because I think it's important, let's say that all you guys have broccoli every day or green beans every day, or you have salmon every day. Those aren't coming up on the test. So it's not always what you're eating. However, if your body is sensitive to that thing and you start to eat it, it will then show up. So it does make sense. But if your body's not sensitive to it, those immunoglobulins haven't been primed to that amino acid sequence from the protein. It will never show.
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Ryan Seacrest
Question. What's the least reactive food typically that you see? In other words, what's the food that most people have no issues with, Most commonly red meat?
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Zoe Saldana
I do not see a lot of red meats.
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Ryan Seacrest
There you go.
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Zoe Saldana
Or lamb would probably be one of the biggest ones. I do see some fish. Fish can actually be an allergy.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yes, fish. Fish are commonly an allergy, but if.
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Zoe Saldana
You are not allergic to it, I almost never see it show up as a sensitivity. Rice and then most vegetables, most fruit are not going to show up. Now you could say, well, they're lower in protein, but sure, but like lambs, high in protein.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yeah.
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Zoe Saldana
So it's, it's. Everything has protein in it. It's not that it doesn't. Those are just less reactive. I'll tell you across the board, I. I believe every single person should run this food sensitivity test. They should do it once a year. But if you're not able to, you gotta eliminate the dairy, gluten and the eggs. Just for 21 days. Do you feel better or not feel better?
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
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Zoe Saldana
And if you feel better, one of those three years of culprit, add one back in.
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Ryan Seacrest
See what happens.
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Zoe Saldana
See what happens? Yeah. Yeah.
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Ryan Seacrest
Wow, that's awesome. I, you know, I was first introduced to These tests probably 16 or 17 years ago, and it wasn't, I wasn't the one administering them. I was just a trainer. I just did fitness. But I had someone in my studio that would administer them and then we would share clients. So they would train with me and then she would do these food sensitivity tests. And at the time I had no experience with them whatsoever. So I was just like, let's see what happens. And for people listening, many of them felt better. Obviously some people thought they were asymptomatic when they got the test, but they, because they trusted us, they cut them out. They got better results with me. So I saw better strength gains, better gains in endurance, better mobility. When they were following this protocol, which to me, and it happened. I remember the first few times it happened, I said, this is a fluke. But it kept happening and it was remarkable. And again, that wasn't what I did.
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Zoe Saldana
So that's a great point. A hundred percent great point. And when I first learned about these, I was on my healing based protocol myself. But when personal trainers, massage therapists, estheticians, chiropractors add this into their practice, what they're helping their clients do are find the foods that are creating inflammation.
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Ryan Seacrest
That's right.
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Zoe Saldana
Plain and simple.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yeah.
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Zoe Saldana
And when you decrease the inflammation, your clients sleep better, they feel better, they have clearer skin, they lose more body fat, which is really not body fat, it's just inflammatory water weight that they're holding and you get better results too. So the nice thing is, just like you said, you partner with an integrative health practitioner that run these labs, your client gets the results, but they're still your client. That's the great thing. Right? So you just, you're. I always look at the personal trainer or esthetician. Like if your client comes in every week and they have skin issues, doing more topically is not the answer. You've got to work internally. But, but if you become the hub, right, and then all spokes come off of you.
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Ryan Seacrest
That's right.
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Zoe Saldana
Your client looks to you as the practitioner, the guru, and that's what it changed.
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Ryan Seacrest
That's exactly what I did. That's exactly what I did. It made me very, very valuable to have those. I even worked with a therapist who obviously therapy, talk therapy, and she would Refer for exercise. And she would refer for food sensitivity tests and would help and she noticed that it helped with their depression, anxiety and all those other issues with kids.
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Zoe Saldana
It's unbelievable.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yeah.
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Zoe Saldana
So when you eliminate these foods from kids diets, they can focus better, pay attention better at school, less runny noses. Remember kids sinuses are so much smaller. Right. And so it's like a little congestion for them is blocks their whole nose up. Right. And so they feel terrible, they have trouble focusing, they get earaches all the time. You do a food sensitivity test, you find out what they're sensitive to, those go down, it makes a world of difference and you see results in three weeks.
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Ryan Seacrest
How, how is somebody able to give these tests? You guys offer courses, right? Where someone can follow your course and then they're able to administer these tests and read the, read the, you know the results with and do it themselves. Correct.
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Zoe Saldana
Integrative healthpractitioner.org is what I set up about six years ago now.
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Ryan Seacrest
Okay.
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Zoe Saldana
Half of our people there are personal trainers, kairos, massage therapists, esthetician dietitians, you name it. And half of the people have no previous health fitness based background. But we teach everybody to take control of their health. Our motto is again like heal yourself, heal others, but don't guess test right. So we teach people how to run these labs so they can use them with their own family. They can create a practice as well or personal trainer someone, they can add it on to their practice. So that's integrative healthpractition.org and if you don't want to learn how to run these yourself, we offer them over at Equal Life or just the the for this site or this lab test. It's stevencabral.com foodtest and your audience obviously we always give a big discount.
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Ryan Seacrest
I was gonna say are we hooking them up?
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Zoe Saldana
Yeah, at least a hundred dollars off this lab. Wow, nice.
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Adam Schaefer
I always think about every time you come in here, I always think about, God, if I had you when I was a personal trainer.
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Ryan Seacrest
Oh, I'm telling you guys, this would have been. I was so blessed because I had somebody in my studio that did these tests. That was so far. I mean this is back when nobody knew what they were and I was lucky to have her because I learned about these and saw them firsthand. It was someone I could refer to. But I mean if I was able to do this, if you're a trainer now and you're not doing this, you're like, if you do do this, I'll tell you this, but you are going to separate yourself.
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Zoe Saldana
You separate yourself from me and you need to now. You really do because you're also able to do this virtually and add other components to your practice so you're not locked into just the gym setting. But truthfully, we always say to our IHPs, be the practitioner you never had. And like, I try to live that because I mean, had I known about all of this, you know, earlier, I mean, we all, we can all say that, but you know, we're all on our own healing journey. And I believe I was sick for 10 years for a reason, because if I figured it out within six months, I would have just gone a different passion.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah, that's it.
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Zoe Saldana
So I wouldn't have gone down the rabbit hole of reading, you know, thousands of books and studying all over the world and all that good stuff stuff. So I'm not upset that it happened to me. But other people, it's not their path. Like, let's get them well and you.
- [57:34]
Ryan Seacrest
Know, a couple weeks, your team and your course is the most recommended that we do for our coaches and our trainers.
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Adam Schaefer
So I appreciate it.
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Ryan Seacrest
It's a big deal. So 50 offer or no? $100 off.
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Zoe Saldana
At least a hundred dollars off. It's@steamcrabal.com FoodTest I don't handle the business side.
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Ryan Seacrest
Okay.
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Zoe Saldana
I handle the teaching side and, and the practitioner side. But it's always a pleasure and I really appreciate you guys having me on.
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Ryan Seacrest
Thank you.
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Sal Destefano
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