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2663: Mid-Range, Stretch & Squeeze for Maximum Gains & More (Listener Coaching)
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In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Mid-range, stretch and squeeze for MAXIMUM GAINS. (1:44) ...
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Sal Destefano
If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go.
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Adam Schaefer
Mind Pump. Mind Pump. With your hosts, Sal Destefano, Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews, you just found the most downloaded fitness, health and entertainment podcast in the history of the entire world. Congratulations. You found Mind Pump. All right. In today's episode, we answered listeners questions. People went to Instagram, Mind Pump Media. They posted some questions. We picked up four of them and we answered them so we could help people out. But this was after the intro. Today's intro was 56 minutes long. Now in the intro we talk about fitness studies, fat loss, muscle gain, current events, family life. That's a good time. Again, if you want to post the question that we can pick, go to Mind Pump Media on Instagram. This episode is brought to you by some sponsors. The first one is Element. This is an electrolyte powder with the right amount of sodium to make a difference for better workouts. Better pumps. Go check them out. Go to drinklmnt.com mindpump. You'll get a free sample pack of their most popular drink. Mix flavors with any purchase. This episode is also brought to you by Organifi. Today we talked about their happy stack, or as Justin likes to call it, the horny stack. This is Shilajit gummies and their happy drops. Go check them out. Go to Organifi.com that's O R G A N I F I.com mindpump. Use the code mindpump. Get 20% off. We also have a sale. Maps 15 minutes. This is 15 minutes a day of strength training. It works. It's one of the most popular programs we have. It's half off. Head over to maps1fiveminutes.com. That's maps1five minutes.com. use the code muscle50. Muscle5zero for the 50% off discount. Here comes the show. All right. You lift weights, but now it's time to turbocharge your gains. Did you know that the order of your exercises, how you put them together can make a massive difference? Today we're going to talk about a hack, a secret, a way you can organize your exercises to dramatically improve the size gains you get from strength training. This is an old tip. We've talked about it before a long time ago. We're going to break it down. This will help you organize your workouts.
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Justin Andrews
Wait a second.
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Doug
Recipes matter.
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Justin Andrews
I thought this was a mid range stretch and squeeze conversation. How's that order of operation Exercise.
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Adam Schaefer
Oh, it's so. No. So I'll start by this. Right?
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Justin Andrews
So Are you talking about choosing exercises? Oh, that emphasize that.
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Adam Schaefer
That's right.
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Justin Andrews
Okay, I see you. I see you.
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Adam Schaefer
That's right. Years ago, I probably, probably like 1995 or 4, I think I subscribed to all the bodybuilding magazines and one of them was Iron man magazine. The editor in chief at the time, Steve Holman, had put out this, and it's like a PDF now, I think. But it was a book called Positions of Flexion Training. And he had this theory around exercise order, or how you can organize three exercises to maximize gains for a particular body part. And what he talked about was how some exercises create most of their tension in the mid range portion of the rep. Then there are exercises that apply a lot of tension in the stretch and then those that apply a lot of tension in the squeeze. Now, he came up with this theory after observing bodybuilders. Bodybuilders often, ever since the 70s, they would organize their workouts in this way. Typically they'd start the workout with like a compound lift, a lot of the tensions in that mid range. Then they'd move to a stretching type movement, and then they'd finish it with these finisher squeeze exercises. And ever since then, a lot of data kind of supports this a little bit. And what's funny is when I read this, so I was a kid, I applied this to my training and I got phenomenal results. And he never, ever since then, this has always been part of how. Because this isn't the only thing, right. But this has been part of how I design workouts for myself for clients, you know, or anybody's interested in really maximizing their gains. So it's a really cool blueprint for how you can train yourself, in particular for muscle development. So it might not be necessarily purely for athletic training or that kind of stuff, but like if for development. This is a really, really good framework.
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Doug
You can work from conversation. Reminds me of when we were in Florida at Ben Pakulski's gym, and he had those machines that were specifically tailored so you could put it on that, like stretch position or the squeeze, and like you could adjust it so it gave it more tension in those areas.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah, these machines are great, right?
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Justin Andrews
Do you know if the guy who authored that, that article is responsible for those, the invention of those machines? Those became popular in the early 2000s. They did when they first came out.
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Adam Schaefer
I remember Nautilus was the first one to do it. Nautilus? Oh, Nautilus did Nautilus, yeah. So Arthur, Arthur Jones.
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Justin Andrews
I didn't know that.
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Adam Schaefer
Oh, yeah, I mean, he was way ahead of everybody when it came to muscle development and building strength and, you know, machine development. Right. Nautilus, like, set the stage. Okay. And he was the first one where he made. And it was too complicated. A lot of gyms didn't adopt it because people had no idea how to use them.
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Doug
Yeah, no, yeah. Nobody would set it up correctly.
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Adam Schaefer
They didn't know. But, like, for example, if you. There was like a preacher curl machine and you could adjust the pin so that the. The pulley would change the angle so that the heaviest part of the rep would be mid range, or the heaviest part would be at the stretch, or the heaviest part would be at the squeeze. And the way they would do that is you would do a set in each one. Most people, average gym goer would look.
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Doug
At it and go, yeah, each one.
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Justin Andrews
So because we're on a podcast and. And I. I'm sure there's obviously some of the. The major gym rats are following along right here. I think you have to give like a vis. And I think the bicep curl is one of the easiest ways to describe to people, like, what you mean by stretch position, squeeze position, and mid range to get that and then how we would manipulate that.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah. So mid range would be halfway through the wrap. This is where you're going to get most attention on a bike.
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Justin Andrews
So use a bicep curl.
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Adam Schaefer
Right.
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Justin Andrews
So I'm a standing bicycle. Yeah. Standing bicep curl.
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Adam Schaefer
Start standing barbell curl right when you're at the bottom. Not. Not as much resistance. Right. When you get about mid range, when you're fighting gravity directly is when it's heaviest. When you come up beyond halfway, again, you're not fighting gravity directly, so it's a little easier. So most attention is in the middle. Incidentally, mid range, quote unquote. Mid range exercises typically are the ones that you could do with the most weight. So if I were to, say, pick a, you know, standard bicep exercise where you're gonna be able to lift the most weight, people will pick a barbell curl for that very. And that's one of the main reasons. Right. You could probably barbell curl more than you can with other bicep exercises where the tension is in different part. Tension in the lengthened position might be like a preacher curl bench with a barbell or an incline curl at the very bottom where you know it's hard. Right. A squeeze position would be like a concentration curl where at the top, when you're bent over and you're the hardest.
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Justin Andrews
Part of the spider curls or a.
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Adam Schaefer
Spider curl would be a great example. And so the theory was that you're going to activate the bulk of the muscle fibers with the heaviest exercise, which typically is this kind of mid range tension exercise. Then you're going to move to a stretch exercise to get the other muscle fibers and then the squeezes to get the final bit that are left over. Yeah. And so a lot of bodybuilders just instinctively, and you know that's probably the wrong word just through trial and error, would organize the routines this way. For example, if you look at like a classic bodybuilding chest workout, what it would typically look like would be like a press, one or two presses, bench press, incline press. Then you'd go to a fly with barbell, with dumbbells, where most the tension is at the bottom. Right. When you come up past that, it's kind of easy.
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Doug
And then they're like a pec deck or something.
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Adam Schaefer
They would finish with a cable crossover. In fact, this is how Arnold organized many of his exercises was that mid range stretch and then squeeze. And now we see, now what the studies will show is if you compare each of those, the one that tends to produce the most hypertrophy is in that stretch position. But I think people, when people read studies like that, they fail to realize that all those positions stimulate muscle growth.
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Justin Andrews
Right.
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Adam Schaefer
And negating any of them is not a good idea. In fact, if you only train in one of them, moving outside of that, it's probably going to elicit that is new growth.
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Justin Andrews
To me, that's the. We talk a lot on the show about moments in our lifting career that were like paradigm shattering or like this was a big. I, I remember I'd already been training for a good solid five plus years or whatever. And I think similar. I think it was an article in one of the magazines that, that got the got me to do this and it like it blew my mind. I saw gains on my arms that I hadn't seen in a really, really long time. That time at that point in my life, that's all I cared about was like gaining my arms. And I, so I'd already been hammering the out of them, tried all the different things, but never had I organized my workouts with this. And then from that moment on, forever is how I made sure, like in my workout I made sure that I was at least addressing each one of those, those portions of the exercise.
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Adam Schaefer
And there's, and there's more that goes to this right? Squeeze exercises are also beneficial in particular for people who have trouble connecting to a particular muscle group. Like if you have somebody that doesn't feel their chest when they're bench pressing, they'll feel it with a cable crossover. Focusing on the squeeze. Yeah, right. Yeah. So squeeze exercises are really good for feeling that particular muscle. Mid range exercises, sometimes you don't even feel necessarily what's happening. Like a barbell squat, you'll feel it in your quads. A lot of times you don't feel in your glutes for a lot of people, but the glutes get a lot of activation and build a lot. And there really isn't a lot, mainly.
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Doug
Because you could load it substantially.
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Adam Schaefer
That's the key there. Right. So mid range exercises by compound lifts tend to be this. Right. Compound lifts tend to be in this category. And it's just the overall tension and load that make them so darn.
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Justin Andrews
But to your point, where the secret sauce lies is, is. Is if you're somebody who's never really paid attention or tracked this, you tend to gravitate to stuff that you can load the most or you like doing the most. And so a lot of people that have never really evaluated this, the first time you actually do it, you, you sort of go, oh, I tend to do all these similar type of exercises. And no matter what, what it is, is going outside of that to the other two is, is where the gold is at, regardless of what you've been currently doing. Because now not only do you get the benefits of what all the research says on all those positions, but also you get the added benefit of the novelty of it because you never do that. And so therefore doing that now is going to provide the most gains.
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Adam Schaefer
Right. But it really does help you organize your exercises, like triceps. Let's get triceps, for example. Like a mid range tricep exercise might be like a close grip bench press, a stretch exercise, an overhead tricep extension, a squeeze one, traditional press down. By the way, that is a great order and combination for triceps. Like, that's a great. Like when people think programming, you know, good strength coaches, bodybuilding coaches, like, you know, trainers understand this. Typically when they organize workouts, this is what they will consider as is a kind of a fundamental part of the, of the programming outside of things like athletic performance, correctional exercise. Yeah, typically the exercise. If I see exercise order and I look at someone's workout and I see that they're including these, I know that they have a decent understanding.
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Justin Andrews
Well, especially if they, to Justin's point about the mid range Being the one that you're going to be able to load the most if they order them correctly. So it's like, now it's one thing you have some, like, I can look at a program go, oh, they have some sort of knowledge. If they've included all those, then I know you have another level of knowledge when you've ordered, ordered them in a way where it's like mid range is the first one and then perform it the best and then stretch and then squeeze is at the very bottom.
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Adam Schaefer
And so it's funny too, because the way bodybuilders would communicate it is they'd say finisher. Yes. They would go do the heavy exercise first, then stretch the muscle and then squeeze as much blood into the muscle. That's what they would say the squeeze ones are to get the best pump as possible. But now, stretch exercises aren't just exercises that give you a good stretch. It's exercises where the load tends to be heaviest at the stretch position. So a cable crossover technically can also be a stretch. Right. I can get a good stretch at the end of it, but the tension's the same all the way through. When I'm doing a dumbbell fly. And this is what the value of a dumbbell fly, someone might say, okay, we'll crossover superior because it's tension, tension here. I mean, you are loading, you're loading the stretch. When you get past that point, it's kind of easy. And so this is a phenomenal stretch exercise. So, you know, you're thinking, what you want to think to yourself is most load, stretch the muscle, squeeze the muscle as hard as I can. Now you have three exercises or exercise ideas or general structures for your workout that will direct you in a way where your programming now is going to do pretty well.
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Justin Andrews
Now, if you are programming similar to something, say like Maps, Anabolic, where you're only doing one exercise per group, this would look like something you would do during the week.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
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Justin Andrews
So this would be like a Monday, I'm going to do my heavy compound lift. That's my mid range.
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Adam Schaefer
And then Wednesday could be the stretch.
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Justin Andrews
And then the last day.
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Adam Schaefer
Absolutely. So that's so glad you said that. Like, if you're doing full body workouts where you're doing one exercise per day. Now, mid range exercises, this is the bulk. Right. These compound lifts is the bulk of what you're going to do. But when you want to add these others, this now gives you more variety and ideas of how to combine exercises. Because oftentimes you'll see workout programming and you can tell that someone doesn't really understand. Like. Like, for triceps, you may see like 50 different variations of press downs. Like, okay, why is it all. Why is the elbow position the same in every exercise? We're not doing anything different. Where's the stretch with that, with those exercises? Same thing with chest things. You know, back is a great one, right? What would be a great stretch back exercise? A dumbbell pullover cross bench is exceptional. The load is at the bottom. Once you get past a certain point, it's easy to get the dumbbell up, but it's that stretch at the bottom that you'll get with a pullover that you won't get with a lot of other exercises.
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Justin Andrews
I love when you bring tips and conversations like this for the intro of the. Because it just. I mean, look at the. I don't know how far we're in. 15 minutes in of the nuance of this one factor that plays a role in programming. We always get that generic question of, like, well, how do you program? It's like, there's so many things that are taken into consideration. This is literally one aspect of that. And it's not the end all, be all. It's just one of the things that is factored in when we get. When we go somewhere to write one of these programs. This is like. This is like the scaffolding of. We've already. This is already determined that we would do something like this. And then we're building on top of that. So it gives you a little bit more insight to all the things that you consider while you do that.
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Adam Schaefer
That's right. So when you're looking at your program or your workout, think to yourself, like, okay, is this a heavy, loaded exercise? Do I have one of those in there? Check. Is this an exercise that'll. I'll feel the tension in the stretch? Check. And then can I do an exercise now where it's the hardest when I squeeze? You know, hamstrings is a good example. A lot of people do leg curls, and what they'll do is they'll do, you know, three variations of leg curls. They'll do seated leg curls, laying leg curls, one legged leg curls. All the same. It's all pretty. It's a little bit of a difference, but it's all the same. Versus, why don't we put a Romanian in there where you're stretching the hamstrings and loading there, or doing a variation of a squat where it's mid range but you're getting a lot of hamstrings or a deadlift, the conventional deadlift for those hamstrings. Much, much more effective programming, better muscle development. And for a lot of people who've been working out now for a while, who know exercises, because it's one thing to know exercises, but then it's the next thing to know. How do I piece these together? Because I have this much time and I can only train this much because of my recovery, which exercise is going to be the most bang for the buck? I've already done the compound lift. Where do I go from here? This is something you can strongly.
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Justin Andrews
Would you add to, I mean, to the complexity of this. If we're talking about you personally, like, let's say you've got. And I know this isn't you because your legs, your legs develop easy. Let's pretend like you're putting a lot of focus on your legs. It's Monday, Wednesday, Friday, you're trying to build and so maybe you actually, Monday and Wednesday you do maybe some mid range stuff in there because you want to put heavy load. But then Friday comes along and you're still taxed. Like now your choice on Friday of exercise. How does that change? How does your thought process?
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Adam Schaefer
Oh boy. Like if I'm doing quads, right, squats, great squats, stretch like the load is at the bottom. Like anybody who's ever done a sissy squat knows that it's the bottom part that is hard. Once you get past that, it's pretty easy. And then the squeeze is very easy. Leg extension, you get in the leg extension, you get them up to the top. That's the hard part of the exercise. And it's funny because again, bodybuilders, I think have known, have kind of understood this through the years, through trial and error. And if you look at their workouts, they tend to organize them in this particular way. Here's the heavy, here's the stretch, where I can really feel the stretch, and then here's a squeeze. And this produces exceptional results, guys, because oftentimes you're doing similar exercises, or should I say no, not that they're the same, but you could implement a better exercise than maybe the one you pick because you're now considering what we just talked about. So pretty cool. Anyway, I got some studies on sodium and athletic performance that I think are pretty cool. Like actual legit studies, which is pretty cool. So check this out. There was a study in the 2011. So sodium. We're, I think we're out of the phase now where everybody's afraid of Sodium. There was. There was a whole period there, I think.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah.
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Doug
Finally, you know, common knowledge as far as it being.
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Justin Andrews
Well, I think just to see all the important. All the different electrolyte competitors that have exploded in the last three to five years is an example of that. Well, that market wasn't there just, say, 10 years ago.
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Adam Schaefer
Well, element came out, and they did a really brave thing where they said, one serving of our Electrolyte powder is 1000 milligrams of sodium. By the way, nobody would have done that. Everybody's so scared of sodium because of all the. Yeah. All the. Most of it. Misinformation around sodium and if it's bad for you and this and that. And so elements like, before that, nobody had a thousand milligrams for an electrolyte powder. It was always like 200 milligrams or.
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Justin Andrews
100 milligrams, bare minimum versus optimal amount.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah. And by the way, the early studies, too, on electrolytes use a lot of sodium. Like the first Gatorade.
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Doug
Yeah.
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Adam Schaefer
That they. That they used. Was it University of Florida.
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Justin Andrews
Yes. And you guys know the story. The story is kind of crazy right there. Have you looked it up before, Doug, have you ever looked at the. How Gatorade came. That's why it's called the Gatorade, because it's for Florida State. Yeah. Yeah. The Gators. And like, they were. I forget what happened. They were getting, like, crushed. Like, just.
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Adam Schaefer
They had one of the nutrition scientists.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah.
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Adam Schaefer
Develop their. They called it Gatorade. And it was high sodium.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah.
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Adam Schaefer
They lowered the sodium because.
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Justin Andrews
And the. And the team's performance like that.
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Doug
When I was.
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Justin Andrews
Went through the. Went through the roof and then. So the name was born like that. Yeah. It's got a really cool story behind it.
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Adam Schaefer
That's right. So I got some studies here on it, which is pretty interesting. So there's a study in the 2011 Journal of Sports Science that showed that sodium supplementation, 3 to 6 grams a day during endurance events, reduces plasma volume loss, and it maintains hydration far better than water alone. This is definitely critical for events lasting more than an hour. Again, that's what they found. Remember in Florida, when they were playing football, it was hot and humid.
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Justin Andrews
Yep.
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Adam Schaefer
And when their athletes were, you know, drinking. And it's not the Gatorade you buy.
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Doug
You lose ten pounds before you even step on the field.
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Adam Schaefer
Oh.
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Doug
And they're really kind of weather.
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Justin Andrews
And the reason for this is it's because the water's pairing and holding. Sodium's holding on, keeps it in Your body so basically is storing it for later when you're going to need it.
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Adam Schaefer
Oh, let me give you an example. If all you drank was distilled water, you're dangerous. Distilled water is water with nothing in it. Very dangerous to just drink because it.
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Justin Andrews
Goes right through you.
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Adam Schaefer
Right through you. Actually dehydrate yourself as a result.
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Justin Andrews
1965.
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Adam Schaefer
1965 was the first time and the original get a raid, like I said, was much higher.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah. And it was in result, the concerns they had because of the heat dehydration that the Florida Gators football team was having.
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Adam Schaefer
Yes. Here's another one. In 2016, made an analysis found that sodium ingestion improved endurance performance by 3 to 5% in events like marathons and triathlons, which is a big deal when you're talking at that level. Research In 2006, medicine and science and sports and exercise linked hyponatremia to ultra endurance events where athletes over hydrate without replacing sodium. So athletes would run into this problem in endurance events where they're drinking lots of water and their electrolyte balance is off and they're getting muscle cramps and they think they need more water, which is actually what was causing the problem. Too much water, not enough.
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Doug
We saw this a lot, especially when I was coaching in high school kids. It's like, yeah, they're on top of their water consumption, but they were still getting cramps mid game. Yes, it was really that balance.
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Adam Schaefer
This is especially important. So if you do endurance events, you sweat a lot. This is a big deal. Like some of the consumers that like the element product the most are people who work in the sun. These are blue collar workers, actually. They'll buy element because it makes a big difference. Yeah, because they're out in the sun. Roofers, those kind of people. Right. So if you're out in the sun, you're sweating a lot. Like you need to add some sodium to your water. If you don't consume a lot of processed foods, that's a big one. If you're in a whole food diet, your sodium intake is significantly lower than if you had a lot of processed.
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Justin Andrews
This is the. Okay, so I find this enlightening. This is interesting to me. I don't know if you see, like our editing team's all young, so they follow like all the young influencer kids and stuff like that. And there's an influencer kid, he puts out not. I want to give him credit, like 95. Really, really good credit. I know he shits on electrolytes. Is one of his things. Yeah. And Josh has sent it to me. Me and, and what I don't understand, again, I think this is just a lack of experience of knowing what happens to a lot of clients. Like you take a client who most of their life has been eating processed foods and then, which by the way, the body is now adapted to this high level of sodium and then you convince them that eating whole foods is the path and they are bought in and they do that. And you know, even if they salt their food reasonably, the amount of sodium that that person intakes while also now pushing to work out is dramatically lower than what it used to be. And me simply just bumping my, my client's sodium made a huge difference in how they felt, their performance, all the things. So I find it really interesting that there is a, you know, there's pushback in some of the science community on the fitness side of some of these influencers that think that oh, electrolyte game is such bullshit. It's a waste of money.
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Adam Schaefer
It's not. Look, if you, if you eat processed foods, you don't exercise, you sit on the couch all day, like, don't use electrolytes, right? You're getting place, you're not sweating.
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Doug
Like, except for sodium levels are great.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah, you're fine, you're fine, doing fine. You're probably, probably not a good idea if you add sodium. But if you work out, eat a whole food diet, you'll probably notice an improvement, especially if you're low carb. This is where it gets crazy. When ketogenic diets or low carb diets starting to get popular. They would, people would talk about the keto flu and the keto flu is, oh, you switch over to ketones. Your body gets, has to get used to it. You feel like garbage for a couple weeks and you're fatigued and you got headaches and oh, don't worry, your body will adjust. The keto flu is because they needed sodium. Because when you have no carbohydrates, your body flushes water out. And it's funny, when I have clients go keto for whatever reason and they'd feel that way, I would add salt to their water and I'd say, let's see if this fixes. By the way, you'll know. Oh, you'll know if it fixes it, you'll know within 15 minutes you'll add sodium and then 15 minutes later, keto flu evaporates and suddenly you feel remarkably better. That was because of the sodium. And then as far as for bodybuilders, the bodybuilders, you know, if you really like to train like a bodybuilder, you're probably not eating a lot of whole, a lot of processed foods. You're probably eating a lot of whole foods, high protein diet. And you like the pump, right? The pump is great. There's lots of supplements out there that talk about improving blood flow with citrulline, with organine and yes, that'll help. But I'll tell you something. Right now, you have a thousand milligrams of sodium with some carbs before your workout. Have another thousand milligrams during your workout. Best pumps of your life because of the sodium makes it huge.
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Justin Andrews
I also found it as a better. So this was something that was different that I did in, in our space during the competitive days because I never liked the idea of what some of these competitors were doing where they went like, no sodium. But I saw the benefit of trying to get the water to pull out of your system. And so instead of me going eating my whole food diet, my whole, my whole prep and then all of a sudden cutting sodium before going to the show, I intentionally pushed sodium to much higher levels and then brought it down to normal. And I would get that same effect of losing that water weight that all these guys are doing. But then when I came into a stage, I'm still salting the. Out of my food like normal and eating a good amount of sodium, still just half or, or a quarter of what I was before. And I was. This is before Element was even a thing. So I was using the giant dill pickles. And I get like two, three of those big ones a day to push my numbers up in addition to all the salting of my food. And then all I do is I go from three to two to one to none.
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Adam Schaefer
You know, crazy. You just reminded me, you know, craves a lot of sodium is pregnant women because their blood volume goes through the roof. They've got way more blood volume. So some of the, my friends, we have some friends that are pregnant and they're constantly asking me for element. They're like, oh my God, this, this feels so good. It's the whole like, I, the reason why I thought of that. You brought up dill pickles. You ever hear the stories of women who are pregnant, craving. They want to drink the, the, the pickle juice.
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Doug
Well, that's still a. Yeah, that's still something that even like friends of mine, loose friends of mine, they'll. They swear by drinking pickle juice and I'm like, oh, you're craving sodium?
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
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Justin Andrews
You know, the other.
- [25:09]
Doug
They think there's some magical reason.
- [25:11]
Adam Schaefer
Well, that is the magic. Yeah.
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Justin Andrews
The other. The other hack or thing that I would include is to like people who I see a lot. If you're. If you use a lot of sauna, saunas, and oh, you better sodium up.
- [25:21]
Doug
Sure. You're swe.
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Justin Andrews
Even with me taking the product like I do, I. I have to. I have to do a second one when I go spend a half hour more in one of those. Otherwise I get a pounding headache. And so that was something that took me a minute to realize because I thought, oh, I'm already. I'm already using some of the sodium, I should be fine. But I mean, I sweat so much that. And I'm sure everybody's body's different on how much your body excretes, but my definitely turn that over fast. And so me being able to. And I don't know that may had be tied to my peeing and stuff like that, that I go through a lot of fluid or what it is.
- [25:50]
Adam Schaefer
That'S a lot of people feel.
- [25:51]
Justin Andrews
But I recognize that if I'm gonna do the sauna steam, I got way better muscle endurance.
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Doug
Like in some of those workouts where I'm doing, like, higher rep volume, it's like, it's substantially. I noticed that it's when I add in quite a bit of sodium, it.
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Adam Schaefer
It.
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Doug
I can have so much better endurance.
- [26:10]
Adam Schaefer
You guys want to hear crazy. A crazy poll that has been just now making its rounds right now. A survey conducted by one pole. So this was UK women, right? They did a survey and they found out that out Of a thousand UK women surveyed, a staggering 50% admitted to having a backup partner in mind if their current relationship was to fail.
- [26:33]
Justin Andrews
70%.
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Adam Schaefer
50. Oh, 50. 50%. By the way, married women are more likely to have a plan to have.
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Doug
A plan B in mind.
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Adam Schaefer
Yes. And it's backup is likely to be an old friend who has always had feelings for them. Other candidates include ex boyfriends, husbands, colleagues, or a gym buddy. So what do you now why do you guys think I have some theories around this. I definitely have some theories around this.
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Justin Andrews
Well, I mean, if you buy into the provider protector thought process, and it's like, hey, we're disposable. You know, I'm. I love this. This. This guy, and I'm gonna give it my all, but if he doesn't come through and doesn't protect, doesn't provide, and you know, Steve's been Begging me for my whole life since high school. So maybe I give him a shot.
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Adam Schaefer
You know what? You know what? What's part of this is they. They allow that sideline again. They allow the plan B guy. Yeah. To think that there may be something. So they kind of string them along as a plan B.
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Justin Andrews
Just friends.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
- [27:31]
Doug
Captain Friend Zone.
- [27:32]
Justin Andrews
Is he gonna last that long?
- [27:33]
Doug
Until, like, the guy croaks?
- [27:35]
Adam Schaefer
Exactly. It's. Exactly.
- [27:37]
Justin Andrews
It'd be interesting how many times. So you said 50% admit that.
- [27:40]
Adam Schaefer
50% in this poll.
- [27:41]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
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Adam Schaefer
I don't know how accurate it would be, you know.
- [27:43]
Justin Andrews
Well, I mean, if 50% are admitting it, you got to think it's at least that, right?
- [27:46]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
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Justin Andrews
I mean, because you got to think there's a percentage you're going to deny it. Be like, no, I would never do that.
- [27:50]
Doug
When it's like your whole world's about safety, security and all that. I could see how the brains kind of like, you know, evaluating all the time.
- [27:59]
Adam Schaefer
Divorce data is interesting too, because they'll. And this is a. There's a real stat that women rarely will leave their husbands without having found someone else. Yeah. Rarely do they leave in terms of.
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Doug
The divorce years in mind.
- [28:12]
Adam Schaefer
They've already in comparison to men. Right. Rarely do they leave with nobody. Yeah. It's typically they leave and they. Because they have somebody else to go to.
- [28:20]
Justin Andrews
What was the percentage of most divorces that were initiated by women?
- [28:24]
Adam Schaefer
Isn't it high? 80%. 80. 80%. Wow. 80% are initiated.
- [28:28]
Justin Andrews
Now what's included, though, is the man who steps out, and then she says, I'm out.
- [28:33]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. That doesn't mean that they're the ones causing it.
- [28:35]
Justin Andrews
Right. It doesn't mean it's her fault.
- [28:36]
Adam Schaefer
Right. But they're the ones most likely to go and start the process. Yeah. Of divorce.
- [28:42]
Doug
Well, this is funny. I. I saw a study that's not necessarily related to that, but somewhat. So it was about as like a sleep study of. For men, it was like, very beneficial for them to have a significant other sleeping with oxytocin. All this kind of bonding, you know, associated with. They got better sleep quality, all that kind of. But for women in the study, they found that actually that were. A dog was a better suitor really for them to sleep with.
- [29:12]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [29:12]
Doug
I was like, what?
- [29:14]
Justin Andrews
That's interesting because.
- [29:16]
Doug
Yeah. And it was like trying to. Trying to exclaim that they were like, less restless, like, like they just like, match their heart rhythms better and like, you know, they're the right temperature, all those kind of things. It was like, that's more matched.
- [29:30]
Justin Andrews
That would be interesting to read with that because I know, I know. Katrina swears by that she gets worse sleep when I'm out of town. She hates that. She's like, yeah, if I'm. If I'm out of town, she's like, I never sleep.
- [29:40]
Doug
Yeah, Courtney too, but the dogs always end up in bed and I'm gone, you know, every time. She probably gets better.
- [29:46]
Adam Schaefer
What was crazy about that first thing I said about the backup plan? It's really crazy how people go in because. Because the general stats on marriage are not really great, right. It's like 50 end up not working out. What's crazy is that, like, thinking about a bit like, you're. You're going to build a business, right? Adam, you've said this before. Like, you're going to go into a business, your odds of success dramatically go up if you go all in. That's right. Rather than going in, kind of like, I'm gonna tiptoe in because just in case and I'm afraid type of deal. I think a lot of people are so afraid that they go into marriage like, well, you know, with that mentality, like, well, you know, just in case it doesn't work out, you keep your stuff here, I'll keep that there. I got my plan B over here type of deal.
- [30:29]
Doug
It's a failing strategy for sure.
- [30:30]
Adam Schaefer
It's like you're setting your. Yourself up for higher odds of failure versus, like, we're all in.
- [30:35]
Justin Andrews
Well, I think there's also this misconception of when you're going to get married that it gets. It gets so much easier, like when you get married, you know, funny, because you're friends with the. The mentor of mine that I had when I was a kid. Chad.
- [30:47]
Adam Schaefer
Chad.
- [30:48]
Justin Andrews
And I'll never forget when he said I was dating somebody at the time and I was asking his counsel on. On, you know, should I stay with her? And how do I know? I think she might be the one. I'm like 15, 16.
- [30:57]
Adam Schaefer
Right, right.
- [31:01]
Doug
And he didn't just start laughing at you?
- [31:02]
Justin Andrews
No, he did. I appreciate him. Not right then discounting me that way, but he said something to me that forever stuck with me. And he says, like, everything that you are challenged within the relationship, when you get married, it will be 10 times harder. And he goes, so as long as you can make peace with that, then, yeah, she could.
- [31:20]
Adam Schaefer
Great advice.
- [31:20]
Justin Andrews
It was great advice because I think, and again, to your point right now, is it shifted the way I thought about going into A marriage is that it's not going to be easier and necessarily make. We're going to have as much, if not way more challenges before. And so is this the person I, I've heard a better example of, like you choose a partner on someone who you would want to go to war with, somebody who, you know, we're gonna go have to handle some that and like that's the person I know it's coming. I don't know what it is because.
- [31:46]
Doug
You'Re gonna go to war and you're gonna face it.
- [31:48]
Justin Andrews
And I can't think of a better person. And I think about that with my relationship with Katrina is like there's nobody I'd rather do, do all those hard things with than that, that I, I.
- [31:59]
Adam Schaefer
Follow this on social media. There's this orthodox priest, he does really good jobs. Father, that's the one you sent to me, Josiah Trenum, I think. And he said so it's from a biblical standpoint, but that's the origins of the marriage as we understand it. One man, one woman, right? You know, two people. That's it. He says marriage was not designed to make you happy. It was designed and created to make you holy. And I thought that was a great way to say it because people are so like, no, I got to be happy all the time.
- [32:25]
Doug
It's like self serving.
- [32:26]
Adam Schaefer
It's about happiness.
- [32:27]
Doug
Self serving, no.
- [32:28]
Adam Schaefer
And I love that he said that. It's a sanctifying thing. Just like with kids, like people think with kids, like, I don't want to have kids because it's going to be hard, it's going to be stressful. I'm going to be tired. Well, yeah, it is. And you're not going to be as. I guess you're not going to have that, the same kind of happiness stuff, fun stuff that you have now. But that's not what it's about. It's totally different. It's something you can't explain along those lines. It's funny, I had somebody comment on one of my posts on X and it was, It's a, it's, it's. I used to believe this. So this guy said this, this comment and I used to actually believe this. It's a really sad way of thinking of love. The person put on there, love is just the chemical reaction in your brain. And I said, God, I used to think that, yeah, you know, you know what's crazy about that?
- [33:15]
Justin Andrews
It's a choice.
- [33:16]
Adam Schaefer
But you know what's crazy about that? Do you know that the ancient languages had different. Different words for different types of love. Doug, if you could look up the 4 Greek. 4 Greek words for love. Or ancient Greek word like the way.
- [33:30]
Justin Andrews
You love your brother, the way you love your mate, the way you love your job.
- [33:32]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. So we use. We just have love.
- [33:34]
Justin Andrews
Right.
- [33:35]
Adam Schaefer
I love pizza. I love my wife. I love exercise.
- [33:37]
Doug
I love lamp.
- [33:38]
Adam Schaefer
I love this movie. And we think it's a feeling like that's what love is. Just the feeling that I get. It's like, no, the ancient languages understood this. There was agape, which is sacrificial love, the eros, philia and storage. And one of those is like, brotherly love. One of them is familial.
- [33:55]
Justin Andrews
It says right there, selfless love, romantic love, friendship love, and familial love.
- [33:59]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. So they have four different words to describe love. But what we've done is we've taken everything and put it into this one thing and just said love. And the feeling of love isn't just love. There's lots of things that. Well, I mean, the feeling of love is. Arthur Brooks says it. Well, he's like. It's like the. It's like smelling the turkey dinner, but it's not the turkey dinner. It's evidence that it. That it's there.
- [34:20]
Justin Andrews
Well, I mean, thanks to. I mean, our society and Disney and I mean, we've positioned it as this, you know, romantic feeling that you'll just feel. I mean, I remember being told that when I was young. I remember being a young kid and asking, like, you know, how do I know when. Oh, you'll just know. You know, you'll just. You'll just feel it. And you're walking around like, when's this thing gonna. When am I feel this thing? To me, that was one of the. The most important moments on my journey of finding my wife was realizing that it's a choice. It's an action. It's like, it's an and like, I never. No one ever told me it was an. Loves an action and a choice. So you choose to love that person. You choose to take action. And then if you reframe it as like, okay, I've picked this person that I'm going to do this with, and instead of me always looking at all her flaws or all of what she's not doing, it's like, what can I do? Because it's an action that I'm choosing to do for her. And we're say we're having a hard time. So it's like instead of what we tend to all you know, default to. Which is pointing out the other person's faults and what they're not doing or all the things like, well, what could I be doing in this partnership to do to serve my partner more? And it's crazy because when you, when you move in that fashion, it's wild how much better it becomes.
- [35:31]
Adam Schaefer
There's a real problem too with, you know, you ever hear people say, like, oh, we lost the spark, you know, those, those great feelings are gone, or whatever. There's a real problem, and therapists will talk about this, where there are people who are addicted to the falling in love process. So they'll fall in love with someone.
- [35:48]
Justin Andrews
Yes.
- [35:48]
Adam Schaefer
And they never move past that once. That goes.
- [35:51]
Justin Andrews
My, My interpretation is that is. And this is how I. And this is my opinion, so you can agree or disagree, is those are people that misunderstand lust with love.
- [36:00]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [36:01]
Justin Andrews
Because lust, initial lust, is a very powerful feeling that we all get. And it comes and goes. And it, you, you'll. It'll surface sometimes. It'll get. Yeah, and, and I think many times that that. And that lust leads to a sexual desire, which then may be interpreted as, oh, this must be what. This pool, this addiction that I have towards this person must be what love is. And it's like, yeah, no, that's.
- [36:26]
Adam Schaefer
By the way, the data on, on. That's very fascinating. The people who report the greatest satisfaction in their self, in their sex lives are people who've been married for decades who are in their 60s. So if you think it's about being hot and the lustful thing, they're the ones reporting, by the way, to take this back to fitness, because I think we have a lot of fitness individuals who will get it. If I do it, communicate it in this way, imagine what it would be like. Actually, we don't need to. We know because modern society is like this. If the only value that you worshiped about food, the only value that you valued about food, Food was its palatability. It's all about how enjoyable it is to eat. That's all it is. Where does that lead to? Right. Obesity. It leads to disease. It leads to. Yeah, so, so you have, if you have that narrow understanding or scope or under, you know, value of food, you're going to end up sick and unhealthy. Food isn't just the palatability. That's part of it, but there's also so many other values that you get from.
- [37:25]
Doug
I mean, you could also say hedonistic.
- [37:27]
Justin Andrews
You could also say this about exercise. So another way to tie it back to fitness is if you approach fitness as its only values, the way it makes you look. And you're always driving for that. That's also fleeting, of course. Even if it gives you what you want temporarily, then you fall out of love with it after a while because you're like, oh, cool, I've been 3% body fat now. What? It's like, yeah. And then you go off in the other direction and then you don't care anymore. Then you were that. You were that guy or that girl who talks about the time when you. When you did it, you know, like, oh, yeah, I've done it. I've done the fitness thing. I've worked. It's like if you attach the only thing to how it makes you look. And, yeah, that will. You'll also lose that battle too.
- [38:00]
Adam Schaefer
Speaking of, like, love and lust or this, I got a stack for you guys from Organifi. That is, we'll call it the happy stack, but I think we could more appropriately call it the horny stack. Shilajit and Happy Drops both work differently to boost libido. Both have been shown to boost sexual desire.
- [38:20]
Doug
The happy dress do that too, huh?
- [38:22]
Adam Schaefer
I told you. I've told you guys this. Yeah. The saffron in there boosts libido, especially in women. Shilajita has been shown to do the same thing. Both come in the gummy form. You stack those together. That's a good time.
- [38:34]
Justin Andrews
Justin over there throwing his wife shakes, sliding it in.
- [38:37]
Doug
There they go.
- [38:38]
Adam Schaefer
Watch a movie. Hey, babe. I brought you some candy.
- [38:40]
Justin Andrews
She's like, what's this tar tasting?
- [38:42]
Doug
What the hell?
- [38:42]
Adam Schaefer
These are these happy drums.
- [38:44]
Justin Andrews
Juju fruits don't taste like this.
- [38:45]
Adam Schaefer
These don't taste like gummy bears.
- [38:46]
Doug
Why you keep touching me?
- [38:47]
Adam Schaefer
It's working yet? Hey, grab some popcorn. You know exactly the joke I made with that one.
- [38:55]
Doug
Oh, dude, I. I don't know where they. Where they did this, but there was like, at some college, they decided, I think through some genealogy or whatever, going through genetics, like, they tried to recreate what, hypothetically, like, the first human look like. Like, basically Adam.
- [39:13]
Adam Schaefer
Right, right.
- [39:13]
Doug
What they'd look like.
- [39:14]
Adam Schaefer
And.
- [39:15]
Doug
And so they put this all together. This artist renders it, it all comes together. You know what it ends up looking like and turns into what?
- [39:23]
Adam Schaefer
Vin Diesel.
- [39:24]
Doug
Dude, I swear to God, he looks exactly like Vin Diesel.
- [39:28]
Adam Schaefer
Oh, hell no. Where do you get the idea, though? Where do they even think that this is going to be?
- [39:31]
Doug
I have no idea what the motivation was for it, but it's Just. Yeah, but it was like a legit college where they ran this, they ran this program and like got this artist to render it now.
- [39:45]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [39:46]
Justin Andrews
I'm assuming that that's what they're doing is a reverse engineering all the, you.
- [39:50]
Doug
Know, tracing down like, like the look.
- [39:52]
Adam Schaefer
Oh, my God. It's exactly like Vin Diesel. Right?
- [39:55]
Doug
Like, it's scary.
- [39:57]
Adam Schaefer
It's scary.
- [39:58]
Doug
Accurate looks like Vin Diesel.
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Adam Schaefer
Why, why does it look identical?
- [40:02]
Justin Andrews
Well, I mean, what that would say is that his, his ultimate man. Right. All his, like whatever. His ancestral, like his ancestral tree is linked similar to what Adams would be in order for that to look. Is that, I mean, is that how that would work?
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Doug
Yeah, like if they, if they go back and look at all the.
- [40:16]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [40:17]
Doug
Like, characteristics and like, you know, like facial features.
- [40:21]
Justin Andrews
That is exactly all together. That's not even like kind of close. That is really.
- [40:24]
Doug
That's what you're gonna come up with is like, that's the first human.
- [40:28]
Adam Schaefer
I don't think so. I, I, I'm more and more and believing that with some things. Right. That's.
- [40:32]
Doug
You were getting trolled.
- [40:33]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. That they do a lot of guessing. You know what I mean? Like, a lot like this is a lot of guessing.
- [40:37]
Justin Andrews
So glad, so glad you tried to figure that out.
- [40:40]
Doug
Yeah. I mean, they did this with like the shrouded terrain and all this. And they're trying really hard to give us a real image of, you know, what these historical people might look like.
- [40:50]
Adam Schaefer
But come on. Deep. Vin Diesel. Hey, I gotta tell you, I gotta tell you guys.
- [40:54]
Justin Andrews
Tell me about the. Because he's on this and he's going back history. So you have to tell me about the frozen, the frozen embryo.
- [40:59]
Adam Schaefer
Oh, yeah. So they just. The oldest. I'll read it to you. An Ohio couple welcomed a baby born from an embryo frozen for over 30 years, setting the record for the longest storage time before birth. Lindsay and Tim Pierce used donated embryos through embryo adoption after struggling with infertility. The embryos were donated by Linda at Cherd, who created them through IVF in 1994, but couldn't use them after her divorce. Wow. The baby was born from an embryo stored for 11,148 days, surpassing the previous record. Isn't that wild? Yes.
- [41:34]
Doug
Yeah. That's a long shelf life.
- [41:36]
Adam Schaefer
That makes. That's kind of weird. I don't know how I feel about that. That's interesting. Yeah.
- [41:40]
Justin Andrews
So is there. What would be the reasoning. So they would, they would use that embryo, like, I don't know. Like. Yeah, that's a Good question. I'll take that one that's been on the shelf for 11, 000 days.
- [41:50]
Adam Schaefer
Please move the cobwebs a little bit. Yeah, can you give me a new one?
- [41:53]
Justin Andrews
I mean, Linda was a badass, you.
- [41:54]
Adam Schaefer
Know what I'm saying?
- [41:55]
Doug
I mean, is there something I should hope so.
- [41:57]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. Isn't that wild? I want to know if this baby.
- [41:59]
Doug
Is maybe that healthy live for.
- [42:02]
Justin Andrews
I want to know about how is the baby just. Just now born? Like, do we know anything about the baby?
- [42:06]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, I was just born recently.
- [42:08]
Sal Destefano
July 26th.
- [42:09]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, dude, cute baby picture. But yeah, I don't know, man, That's.
- [42:14]
Justin Andrews
It is wild.
- [42:14]
Adam Schaefer
I got something for you.
- [42:15]
Doug
Okay.
- [42:16]
Adam Schaefer
A company in Spain. I can't wait to hear what your guys's initial thought is on this, because I know I have an initial thought. A company in Spain gives workers a 30 minute masturbation break written in the official policy.
- [42:31]
Doug
Bro, I sent this to the group.
- [42:32]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, I mean, I used to take that anyway. So now I could have got paid.
- [42:36]
Adam Schaefer
For it is what you're saying it's called. Shut up. It's called the masturbation station. Employees go mid shift to relieve stress and produce and boost.
- [42:46]
Doug
So now you don't have to hide in the bathroom. You actually have like a designated station.
- [42:49]
Justin Andrews
You know, this reminds me of. What was it? What's our show that we like, that we all think is hilarious? Righteous gemstones. When the prayer pods.
- [42:58]
Adam Schaefer
I don't watch that. Oh, you missed out. Yeah, one of the. One of the inventions one of those.
- [43:02]
Justin Andrews
Kids comes up with is like these prayer pods. And they're these pods so people can pull over and pray wherever. You know, in malls they turn.
- [43:09]
Doug
Yeah. Like, like in airports, you know, he's like, no, they've been masturbating.
- [43:13]
Adam Schaefer
So when I read this, I immediately thought to myself, like, this CEO is 100% a pervert. 100% is trying to find a way to be a pervert with a staff.
- [43:23]
Doug
Do they even have an HR department? I mean, how did that fly?
- [43:26]
Adam Schaefer
I don't know how that flies, but for sure this is some. Whoever the CEO is, whoever's running this is like, yeah. Oh, did you take your break? You imagine that? Imagine your boss coming up to you, Justin, did you take your. You take your jerk off. Go ahead. I'll just. Hang on. How was that? Was that okay?
- [43:40]
Justin Andrews
You say that until like the reports come back, you know, the. No sick days and performance went up by 20%. Then he looks like a genius. You know.
- [43:52]
Adam Schaefer
What are the perks? If you like, crush it that month. We have. Someone is going to offer you a hand.
- [43:57]
Doug
We actually have a machine.
- [43:58]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [43:58]
Justin Andrews
We want to talk. Yeah. Steve, you go tell us all your success story this week. Yeah, I went in every day, 30.
- [44:04]
Adam Schaefer
Days in a row. Good job.
- [44:06]
Justin Andrews
I'm. Yeah. To Justin's point with hr, like, how do you not get in trouble for someone. Where, where was it at? Against.
- [44:10]
Adam Schaefer
Spain. It's in Spain.
- [44:11]
Doug
Oh, Spain.
- [44:12]
Justin Andrews
Much looser rules over there.
- [44:14]
Adam Schaefer
Interesting things. Is that, is that the case over there?
- [44:16]
Doug
I mean, they sleep half the day, right?
- [44:20]
Adam Schaefer
That's right. I don't know. They're the ones.
- [44:22]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. They have siestas, Right. Isn't siesta over there? Yes.
- [44:25]
Adam Schaefer
Is that really.
- [44:27]
Doug
I'm like, I'm jealous. They get to work a little bit, then sleep a lot.
- [44:30]
Sal Destefano
It is an adult entertainment company.
- [44:32]
Adam Schaefer
Well, that makes sense.
- [44:33]
Sal Destefano
That makes a lot of sense.
- [44:34]
Justin Andrews
That makes total sense.
- [44:35]
Sal Destefano
It's called Erica Lust Films.
- [44:37]
Justin Andrews
Oh, yeah. And, and yeah. Him as a, as a boss. He's already. Yeah.
- [44:40]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. Maybe because. Maybe because everybody's working. They're working on their projects.
- [44:46]
Justin Andrews
Yes. Go handle your business and get back to work. Whatever happened. Okay. I brought up on the show like a long time ago the big movement on the four day work week.
- [44:58]
Adam Schaefer
I don't know.
- [44:59]
Justin Andrews
And there was a lot of companies that adopted that and were doing that. In fact, we had some partners of ours that I think that moved to that. That. I don't, I don't. I haven't heard anything else about that.
- [45:09]
Doug
I heard that like a lot of them started to really demand everybody back. And we're trying to rebuild the culture. But.
- [45:14]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, I know that about COVID Covid did a thing and you can.
- [45:16]
Adam Schaefer
Once you give people, it's hard to pull them back.
- [45:18]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, yeah, there was. I mean, there's a lot of people that. I know that both my family and friends had jobs where they only had to come in the office once a week. And most of those companies have reverted back to the old ways. But there was some, there was a, there was a lot of good ideas around the like, I, I mean personally, if I had the choice of four 10 hour days over 5, 8 hour, I would take four 10 hour days all. I mean, I already was doing that back in the day, so.
- [45:40]
Adam Schaefer
Right.
- [45:41]
Justin Andrews
What's it say, Doug?
- [45:42]
Sal Destefano
Yeah, so there's a lot of companies who have actually done it successfully, including Microsoft, Japan, Kickstarter, Buffer, Panasonic, North America.
- [45:50]
Adam Schaefer
You know, you know, talk, talk about Japanese culture though, Doug, with the, with work they, if they, if you're working so hard that you're falling asleep at your desk, it's almost like a flex. Yeah. People like, oh man, look at, yeah.
- [46:03]
Sal Destefano
They'Re notoriously long workers.
- [46:05]
Doug
Sleep on the train and then just go right back to work.
- [46:07]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, they grind.
- [46:08]
Doug
It's crazy.
- [46:08]
Adam Schaefer
They grind over there.
- [46:09]
Justin Andrews
29 companies with four day work. Yeah, I'd be really interested to see how that, how that pans out. I mean, are you guys that way? I mean, I feel like I would, I would.
- [46:17]
Sal Destefano
According to this, yes. Employees are happier work harder when they have that type of schedule.
- [46:22]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, I mean, I would, I mean, if you, if you came to me in my 20s and said, hey, here's the deal, like instead of coming five days a week, we'd love for you to come four.
- [46:29]
Adam Schaefer
And, and, and I worked seven days a week for years.
- [46:32]
Justin Andrews
That's why it's a no brainer for us. Yeah, I was already working seven days a week and six were, dude, like what, four for ten easy thought we.
- [46:40]
Doug
Just had to do that.
- [46:41]
Adam Schaefer
You know what it's like working. Well, you guys know this, you know you worked seven days a week. Because I did this for years. Okay. Working seven days a week for years and years and years. When you take a day off, it's so, it feels so hard to get back in the momentum. Like you take a day off, you're like, oh, it was easier almost to just keep going all the way through. You guys remember that? Yeah, that's funny.
- [47:00]
Justin Andrews
But you've also seen like they've done, they've done research on this too of like the amount of actually productivity that the average employee has. Oh gosh. It's like low crazy in an eight hour day. Now with Facebook, I'm pretty sure it's under two hours. I'm pretty sure that's the research I've seen is like in an eight hour day, I think the average employee is literally productive for like 2.
- [47:20]
Doug
Unless you live in China where they monitor you.
- [47:22]
Adam Schaefer
Well, that's why, that's why being a trainer is. That's why I tell people who want to become personal trainers. If you work an eight hour day as a trainer, you have eight clients. You're, you're working eight hours, you're tired, there ain't no off. You don't get to go hang out at the water cooler or do whatever you're with a client for eight hours. Guys.
- [47:37]
Doug
Be charismatic. You got to be on top of your game. Sharp.
- [47:40]
Adam Schaefer
That's it.
- [47:41]
Doug
Dude, you got to be there.
- [47:41]
Adam Schaefer
Look if you do 30 hours a week as a trainer, that's what I consider full time.
- [47:45]
Justin Andrews
They. They can. It's considered full time. Yeah. 30 hour. 30 hours. 30 sessions of training clients is a. Is a full time trainer.
- [47:50]
Adam Schaefer
Have you guys seen.
- [47:51]
Justin Andrews
Oh, so for three hours. Okay. So I was off a little bit. Yeah. It's not even half. So not even half the time.
- [47:57]
Adam Schaefer
Well, I know you have those secret cameras for our employees.
- [48:01]
Doug
Napkin. And then we watch it and laugh.
- [48:05]
Justin Andrews
I mean. I mean, our I team, I'm so impressed with them that we. We give them a lot of autonomy and freedom around that we got a great team where we're not overseeing them during a lot of days. Right. That we're not in the office. And so. But I've.
- [48:16]
Doug
I've randomly come in.
- [48:18]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. I randomly trying to time and catch them off. I've never caught them goofing off or messing around on YouTube or doing that.
- [48:24]
Adam Schaefer
They're always amazing team here. So 100. Okay. So.
- [48:28]
Doug
Music changes, though.
- [48:29]
Adam Schaefer
Justin. I got it. So I know you've been. Have you been seeing this distant object that scientists are saying this may be.
- [48:37]
Doug
I've heard all about this.
- [48:38]
Adam Schaefer
Have you been seeing it?
- [48:39]
Doug
I've heard about it. I haven't dug too far into it.
- [48:42]
Adam Schaefer
Some scientists are saying it's probably an alien space probe. It's probably not natural because of the trajectory and the speed.
- [48:51]
Doug
This is where my conspiracy brain just goes crazy.
- [48:53]
Adam Schaefer
Oh, that's why I brought it up. Come on, dude. There's a huge. It's about the size. Let me see how big it is.
- [48:58]
Justin Andrews
Okay, fill me in because I'm not watching the same stuff.
- [49:00]
Adam Schaefer
We have located a huge something that's moving at the speed of about 36 miles per second.
- [49:07]
Doug
Yeah.
- [49:07]
Adam Schaefer
And it is seven miles wide.
- [49:10]
Doug
Seven miles.
- [49:11]
Adam Schaefer
Okay. It's huge. And it's not moving like a normal natural thing in space. And so scientists are saying this is.
- [49:21]
Justin Andrews
It coming towards us, away from us.
- [49:22]
Adam Schaefer
In our direction, but it won't hit us. But it's. It's moving towards us.
- [49:26]
Justin Andrews
At one point we'll get close enough that we can actually, like, in orbit with us?
- [49:30]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, I believe so. Doug, see what it says in the news there about that? Just put. Did they say. I mean put possible alien probe and then go and click on news and see what pops up.
- [49:41]
Doug
Have they pointed one of those, like, Hubble telescopes on it or anything?
- [49:45]
Adam Schaefer
I don't know how they're following it.
- [49:46]
Doug
Clear images.
- [49:47]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. So. So the name of it is. What. What does that say?
- [49:50]
Justin Andrews
We've Already named it.
- [49:51]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. Look at this. Probing Interstellar ab objects, bro. Oh, no, I want to hear what Snope says, actually.
- [50:00]
Doug
Oh, you do?
- [50:00]
Justin Andrews
Okay.
- [50:01]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. Let's see what Snope says. Even though.
- [50:02]
Doug
Even though they've never believed anything, it's.
- [50:05]
Sal Destefano
Likely a comment according to Snopes.
- [50:07]
Adam Schaefer
Likely.
- [50:07]
Justin Andrews
Okay.
- [50:08]
Adam Schaefer
But I am reading. Go back and look at the other articles with scientists. A lot of them are saying it look like. Here's a Harvard scientist believes that it could be an alien craft. Yeah. So let's go to conspiracy theories 3i.
- [50:19]
Sal Destefano
Atlas is the name of the.
- [50:20]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, because it's.
- [50:21]
Justin Andrews
Alex, conspiracy theories for 500, please.
- [50:23]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, in a few months it's going to be in our. I believe it's going to be closer to us. Right.
- [50:26]
Justin Andrews
Okay, so. So we'll get to the bottom of this.
- [50:28]
Sal Destefano
And it's possibly hostile.
- [50:30]
Adam Schaefer
Yes, possibly hostile again.
- [50:32]
Justin Andrews
Making up stuff seven miles wide. That's big.
- [50:36]
Adam Schaefer
That's right. Yeah. That hit Earth. It's like it's an extinction big flying object. Yeah. So, Justin, what's your theory on why they'd be saying this?
- [50:45]
Doug
Project Bluebeam, dude, damn. All day.
- [50:47]
Adam Schaefer
Do you know Project Blue Beam? I do not. You need to look that up.
- [50:49]
Justin Andrews
I know. Why have you guys.
- [50:50]
Doug
Well, I mean, look here, here's just my food for thought is like where we're at now technology wise with what we can do with drones and like what we can do with being able to project images. Like we can project really, really large images in the sky.
- [51:06]
Adam Schaefer
Yep.
- [51:06]
Doug
And it's just, I'm already seeing. I don't know if you've looked, but there's been reports too of like down in South America where they're seeing like actual religious icon, iconic imagery that. That's in the sky. There's like a ring of fire over this other place. I forget where that was.
- [51:24]
Adam Schaefer
But they.
- [51:25]
Doug
Again, people are reporting things in the sky and my brain is immediately, oh, dude, they're just projecting these things. The fuck.
- [51:31]
Adam Schaefer
Project Bluebeam and I want to know what the roots are. Was this a CIA? Was this like a declassified. Like where did the roots come up from? But Project Bluebeam says that there will be a faked alien invasion that will. That will scare us enough to organize a new world order under a new religion. And it's going to depict this religious figure up there that's going to say this is the bring unity amongst the whole world.
- [51:56]
Justin Andrews
Unity.
- [51:57]
Adam Schaefer
Everybody come together and bring unity. And that's in order to create a new world government. What? Yeah. Well, if you think about it. That would be the most effective way.
- [52:07]
Doug
You can do it.
- [52:08]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. All the governments and all the people of the world to say, let's all make a big deal.
- [52:12]
Doug
That are nuclear war. Nobody wants that.
- [52:14]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, so that's. That's my theory too. Yeah, that's okay. What's going on over there, buddy?
- [52:19]
Sal Destefano
I'll tell you what's going on. These stupid websites keep opening up different things. Okay, so it was originated in 1990s by some Canadian journalist. So that's the conspiracy theory.
- [52:30]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, but where do you get his information from?
- [52:31]
Sal Destefano
Well, I don't know. I'm trying to open it up.
- [52:33]
Adam Schaefer
And it keeps other links there. Doug.
- [52:35]
Sal Destefano
I get it.
- [52:37]
Adam Schaefer
We got the. We got the boomer on the.
- [52:40]
Sal Destefano
Not a boomer, by the way.
- [52:41]
Justin Andrews
Way.
- [52:43]
Sal Destefano
I'm Gen X. I'm the first year.
- [52:44]
Doug
Of Gen X. Canadian government debunked it. I remember. There's some story about it.
- [52:49]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. And the guy who. The journalist who came out with it died. Yeah.
- [52:52]
Doug
But then they died.
- [52:53]
Adam Schaefer
Then that just.
- [52:54]
Doug
That conspiracy got more popular again. So that's kind of how it always goes. Oh, speaking of that, so there was this interesting backstory on. So there's this pbs, I think one of those, like, public broadcasters, like this guy devoted his life to. To exposing fraud and exposing like, corrupt local politicians and local, like corrupt cops. And so he would go on the news, I think this is somewhere in the east coast, and would. Would name names and would literally like, tell people what he's found and. And just kept doing this. And then. And then cops, some. Some of the cops, like, didn't like this. So that he was looking into, you know, some of the corruption and all this. And turns out one of this cops is big, you know, big guy.
- [53:43]
Justin Andrews
He.
- [53:43]
Doug
He was like shaking him down. He's like, stop. Stop doing this. And ended up like, beating him up. And this happened like four times. And then he would actually report, go on. On live tv, on public broadcasting, and he would be. He'd be like, the last time he was in the hospital and he's like reporting. And this guy had beat him up again. And so it took him to court. The guy gets off, no charges, nothing. Right. This cop, later on, basically, he.
- [54:11]
Justin Andrews
He.
- [54:11]
Doug
Then the. The cop gets, oh, this guy dies mysteriously. And then the cop gets arrested for killing four people. And so he ends up in prison. Now this cop, and he was. He was saying that he has ties to the mob and all this kind of stuff, trying to threaten this guy. And turns out this guy, this cop, he was the Last guy in the cell with Epstein. Oh, so there's like this weird connection there.
- [54:41]
Adam Schaefer
I lost track. Yeah, I lost track all right, what was happening.
- [54:47]
Justin Andrews
But I caught back up.
- [54:49]
Adam Schaefer
I got back up at the end. So there's a cop.
- [54:51]
Doug
Sorry. So let me be clear.
- [54:54]
Adam Schaefer
What's happening?
- [54:55]
Justin Andrews
I think I got. Got it.
- [54:56]
Adam Schaefer
A reporter.
- [54:57]
Justin Andrews
A reporter got killed.
- [54:58]
Doug
He was killed mysteriously.
- [55:00]
Justin Andrews
And that cop was tied to the reporter. That same cop was in Epstein.
- [55:03]
Doug
He ended up getting arrested for killing four of the people.
- [55:06]
Adam Schaefer
Do we need more evidence?
- [55:08]
Doug
Yeah, I know I was confusing. My bad.
- [55:11]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, but. But that's the facts I was trying to follow along. I lost halfway through.
- [55:16]
Doug
I needed like a diagram.
- [55:17]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, bro. Do we need more evidence so that Epstein didn't kill himself? Come on.
- [55:22]
Justin Andrews
Where is the latest with it right now?
- [55:23]
Adam Schaefer
I don't know, dude. Didn't they say they're gonna release.
- [55:26]
Doug
We're not gonna know anything. It's too integrated with people that are really powerful.
- [55:31]
Adam Schaefer
I believe I for. I think first of all, there's one of two options. Here's my theories. One option. One that they are doing an investigation and really feeling any of it will complicate or. Or prevent the real investigation. So they can't let anything else.
- [55:46]
Justin Andrews
I think it's crazy that we. There's not even more talks about like the. The different types of paintings that he had in there and like what some of them like. I mean, George Bush throwing airplanes at. At Lego block planes. It is wild.
- [55:59]
Adam Schaefer
Red shoes.
- [56:01]
Justin Andrews
The blue dress that Monica Lensky was. Was wearing.
- [56:05]
Doug
Clinton wearing it.
- [56:06]
Adam Schaefer
And.
- [56:07]
Doug
Come on, dude, there's.
- [56:08]
Adam Schaefer
There's some stuff don't look into. There's other stuff too. That's weird.
- [56:11]
Justin Andrews
Oh yeah. All the children and stuff that they have.
- [56:14]
Doug
Also J. Maxwell was. Was before that was a recruiter for Disney for Talent for Kids.
- [56:23]
Adam Schaefer
Was she?
- [56:24]
Doug
Yeah.
- [56:25]
Adam Schaefer
No.
- [56:25]
Doug
Yes.
- [56:26]
Adam Schaefer
Are you serious?
- [56:27]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, I know that.
- [56:28]
Doug
So there's that.
- [56:29]
Adam Schaefer
Here's the other side. Here's the other theory I have. The other theory I have is that there's so many people implicated that if it all comes out, it'll. It'll. Oh, it'll cause destruction.
- [56:36]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [56:37]
Adam Schaefer
It'll take down everything.
- [56:38]
Justin Andrews
I believe that. I believe that. And that's the part of me.
- [56:40]
Adam Schaefer
What are you gonna throw everybody to.
- [56:42]
Justin Andrews
Me that makes the most sense of why even because Trump campaigned on. I'm going to release all this stuff.
- [56:47]
Adam Schaefer
Sure.
- [56:47]
Justin Andrews
But if you're now in position like that. Even if it. Because I know the default is. Oh, he must be in it. But I. Come on. The Democrats would have done that if they'd known that he was in it. So I don't necessarily think it has anything to do per se with him, but I think when they sit down with the people that make the decision, like, listen, you put this shit out here and you're going to implicate.
- [57:05]
Doug
Well, he hung out with him. I'm sure he's on the list. But you know, him having some kind of criminal activity there is, you know, I'm sure.
- [57:12]
Justin Andrews
I think everybody. Everybody's gonna be on the.
- [57:14]
Adam Schaefer
I think, I think you. I think.
- [57:16]
Justin Andrews
Did you guys watch the. What a. By the way, since you're on Epstein, what a great interview is the guy who. Who is the. Oh, my God, I cannot think of the. Who used to be the head Fox guy that's now on by himself. Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson. Did you see Tucker Carlson interview the Epstein like invest. Oh, my God, you are. I sent a Katrina because it was so good because I'm like her and I don't follow a lot of this stuff closely and I'm like. And. But an opportunity to have somebody who like, literally has studied his whole life. And he took you through his timeline of his entire life and like, this is where he was at from this year to this year. This is who he was working with. This is who he met and like, listening to. Like, how like even his first job that he got and then how he got fired and then all of a sudden is now working then the very next year after he gets fired.
- [58:04]
Adam Schaefer
Does anybody know how he got all his millions of dollars? No.
- [58:07]
Justin Andrews
Well, they can't.
- [58:07]
Doug
And that's why he was so interested in all these scientists and their latest technology and influence and how he like.
- [58:14]
Adam Schaefer
Because it was a huge.
- [58:15]
Justin Andrews
Weinstein.
- [58:16]
Adam Schaefer
It was a powerful blackmailing operation. That's a period end of story. They have so much dirt on so many people. Yeah. If you think the president has the power to do this, you're. You're tripping. The CIA and these Central. These.
- [58:28]
Doug
Or the dismissal of it is such bullshit.
- [58:31]
Adam Schaefer
They. They have this power and they don't want to get rid of it. It's like we got blackmail on all these people. We're not going to let the cat.
- [58:36]
Doug
They've opened that box. You can't. You can't close it.
- [58:39]
Adam Schaefer
No way, dude. And if nothing happened, by the way, they're like, oh, there's nothing. The why is just. Why is Jill Zane still in jail if nothing happened? If there's no. If there's no.
- [58:47]
Justin Andrews
It's wild. She's still alive.
- [58:49]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. Well, yeah.
- [58:50]
Doug
Well, yeah, they're trying to. Yeah. Use it somehow as a.
- [58:54]
Adam Schaefer
We'll see.
- [58:54]
Doug
Chess piece. We'll see.
- [58:57]
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- [59:37]
Sal Destefano
First question is from Fulvio Castle. Are a thousand calories worth of protein exactly the same as a thousand calories of carbs or fats? Or do I still have to subtract the thermic effect of food from it?
- [59:49]
Adam Schaefer
All right, all right. So here's where it gets. We can get into the weeds a little bit, but I'll answer the question first. Count it all the same. Yeah, that's okay. If you try to get into the nuances of thermic effect and all that stuff, like, good luck trying to calculate that, you're better off, 4 grams a gram of protein is 4 calories a gram of carbs, 4 calories a gram of fat, 9 calories. That's the end of the story. Okay? That being said, there is a difference when it comes to protein. We know that protein per gram has what's called a higher thermic effect, meaning it actually burns more calories to eat protein than it does for carbohydrates and fats. This is why in studies where the calories are controlled and we're looking at, we're testing different groups, the high protein group, same calories loses one of the reasons why they lose body fat. Now, simultaneously, it also contributes to more muscle growth, which can also increase the caloric burn because muscle is more thermically active or more metabolically active than let's say from a calorie burning perspective than body fat. But that being said, like, if you start splitting hairs like this, like you've gone way too far, way down the rabbit hole, way down the road.
- [61:04]
Justin Andrews
It's easy to. It's the simple answer is what you said. And I'll give another example of where, where this protein makes a big difference. Let's Say I had a client, which I've had before, that only eats a thousand calories. So you're grossly under eating some of your central macronutrients, protein being one of those, and you increase your calories by a thousand. Okay, from a thousand to, from 1000 to 2000 calories. And you get all 1000 from each different macronutrient. You'll see significantly better benefits from getting the thousand calories from protein, extra protein, because that person now will start to hit more of their central proteins, which plays a role in building muscle, which then praise plays a role in speeding your metabolism up, which then plays a role in you probably leaning out and losing body fat. So from that perspective, they're not all equal in that sense. But I've noticed never calculated thermic effect or like, oh, you know, it's like I total calories and no, you know.
- [61:53]
Adam Schaefer
What'S funny about that? Relevant. Yeah, what's funny about that too, Adam, is like, I mean, if you want to calculate the fluctuations that happen on a minute by minute basis, you'd be better off trying to figure out how your metabolism is adapting every single day. But that would also be in futility because it changes all the time. Yeah, you know, the calories in versus calories out. Basic understanding is true. Taking less calories than you burn and you lose weight, take in more calories than you burn, you gain weight. But that calories out part fluctuates dramatically. Can be changed dramatically through hormones, through muscle gain, metabolic adaptations, mitochondrial uncoupling, some people would say. And then the thermic effect also plays a role. But when you try to account for all that stuff, we don't have machines that read things accurately enough on a, on a day to day basis that would, where this would make any sense whatsoever. And I don't see how this would make sense for anybody anyway unless you're trying to get within one or two calories.
- [62:56]
Justin Andrews
Well, the way it would make sense, the reason why I gave the analogy that I gave is where it would make sense is let's say you're a client who's I need, I'm going to bump my calories. A thousand calories. You're probably better off going a thousand calories if you of of protein for the simple benefits that it has in other places. And then, and in that sense it makes sense that you're paying attention to like where those thousand calories are coming from.
- [63:15]
Adam Schaefer
Although that's a lot of grams of protein, 250 grams of protein or something.
- [63:19]
Justin Andrews
Ridiculous like that, yeah, yeah, you're right.
- [63:21]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, it's a lot. I mean, you want some carbs and fats.
- [63:24]
Justin Andrews
That's a good point.
- [63:24]
Adam Schaefer
But I hear what you're saying. Yeah, you're gonna bump 100 calories. 200 calories, right? Yeah. And you fat is essential too, though there was oftentimes I'd have a female client where she's hitting essential protein, not ideal protein. Ideal is, you know, one gram per pound of body weight generally. But she was hitting essential protein, but she wasn't hitting essential fat. So then I would have her hit. Start by bumping her fat. Because if you don't get those essentials, your body just doesn't function. Carbohydrates are non essential. That doesn't mean they're not. It's not a good idea to eat them or it's a good idea to eat. It just means that you don't need to eat them to thrive. You can go with zero carbs and you'll be okay. You can't do that with protein or fats.
- [64:02]
Sal Destefano
Next question is from Jamie Yoska. I am an online coach and some of my clients get overwhelmed with using multiple apps. How can I still track their progress virtually without them logging their workouts and nutrition?
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Justin Andrews
This is a perfect example of why you should probably be working with us. I mean we have, we have a 1,1 app high level that we use for all of this and we have software that we provide. We don't talk a lot about it on the podcast, but this for this person and any trainer that's listening. If you guys email Kyle mindpumpmedia.com and have a question regarding this. Like we take our trainers through this CRM. So this software that it's an all in one place and so you manage all of your clients through this one single app and then it communicates to all those things. It's a much simpler way for a trainer that's really trying to scale and build their business. This is essential. I mean, I think that I wish this stuff existed back when I was a trainer, but these tools are amazing.
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Adam Schaefer
Now that being said, you know, you got to be. It depends on the client, right? You don't want to give your client tracking fatigue or stress or anxiety around tracking everything. Like, yeah, you can make your client hyper aware too aware of everything to the point where you're no longer improving their quality of life. You just added stress and anxiety, setting.
- [65:22]
Justin Andrews
Them up for failure.
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Adam Schaefer
You're saying, yeah, okay, track all your workouts, all your reps, track your, your Sleep. Track every calorie that goes in and your macros and your. And this person is like, this has not improved the quality of my life.
- [65:34]
Justin Andrews
Well, and by the way, Sal, this is not unique to training online.
- [65:38]
Adam Schaefer
That's right.
- [65:38]
Justin Andrews
This is no different than training a person. That's right, sometimes. And this is when you hear us talk about meeting the client where they're at. Sal. Sal shares the famous story with his client all the time where he's like, read one page nutrition page a week. Like some people getting them to track macros, weigh themselves, take side pictures, front pictures, enter the app, watch their or, I mean that is just. They're not going to do it way too much. And what makes a good trainer is knowing that about each individual client going like, okay, it's, it's a lot of work for this client to just hit steps consistently. And so that might be all we really focus on, you know, and then, then the next step and like you just, you build upon that. So this is not unique to virtual coaching. This is, this is coaching clients is knowing how much you task out to them and, and meeting them where they're currently.
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Adam Schaefer
It might start like this, like, did you work out? How was it? That might the only thing that we track right now. It was good, perfect. Now we're going to talk about how you feel and stuff like that. And then it may turn into, let's track this. These two exercises, I don't care about the other ones. These are the two that I want to see you get stronger at. So how much did you lift last week in your squat? How much did you lift this week in your squat? And then maybe you move to tracking nutrition. But it might just look like, did you eat protein first? And then it might turn into, did you eat 30 grams of protein? And then you. And so on and so on. But a lot of coaches and trainers and even people who are trying to accomplish some fitness goals, they go with like everything. They bring so much awareness, so much hyper awareness on everything that at some point they're like, I don't want to do this. This is stressful and anxiety inducing. It's causing body dysmorphia or hyperactic. I got to get out of this. It should feel good and it should feel you definitely should meet someone where they're at. So when it comes to the apps and the tracking, you have to monitor who it's appropriate with and who it's not.
- [67:24]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, I mean this per. I'm going to continue to stress too. I mean, because a lot of our focus in this business right now is helping coaches and trainers like yourself. Like this is part of the mentoring process that we do with the coaches in there is helping you through this process. Because there is an art to being able to, one, know how to meet a client when they're at and then two, also communicate to them, for example, why they might not be seeing the results that they want to see. Because that, that's the next layer to this question or challenge is okay, so I've got this client that is just hard to do all these things that yet, you know, in order to get them to see results, they need to hit protein, they need to be consistent with the work, they need to do all those things. And so how do I communicate to them that, you know, there's a reason why we're not seeing maybe the results we want yet at the same time too, meeting them where they're currently at, which is hardly any. And there's an art to that. There's an art to being able to, you know, paint that. And we, we talk a lot. We use the word forecasting with our trainers all the time is, you know, a good trainer forecasts really well on like what's going to probably happen based off what we're currently doing and how we're doing.
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Adam Schaefer
Struggles of challenges.
- [68:28]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. So that when the client does their, you know, monthly check in on the weight or scale and they don't see great results. But then all I've gotten Susie to do at this point is read one nutrition page and say, well, yeah, of course we're not, we have, we're, we're not hitting protein take. We're not doing these things. But that's okay. You know what, what you did this month is you read a page out of that nutrition book every single day. You've never done that. We're moving in the right direction. I know we're not where you want, but that's okay. It's all right. Everybody starts from somewhere. So you learning to do that is an art and makes the. Distinguishes the difference in my opinion of a, a good coach and a great coach.
- [69:00]
Sal Destefano
Next question is from Lori Maital. Can I drink alcohol three to five drinks per week and still make progress in building muscle?
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Adam Schaefer
I don't know. Justin, can you?
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Doug
Hell yeah, brother.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah, you totally can build.
- [69:13]
Doug
Of course it, yeah, it's just, that's the thing. It's. If you're trying to smash alcohol into like a performance goal or like a weight loss goal, it's a bad idea. I mean, it's just not beneficial in any fashion.
- [69:27]
Justin Andrews
Building is, building with alcohol is much easier than cutting and performance with alcohol.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah, yeah.
- [69:33]
Justin Andrews
Because alcohol destroys sleep.
- [69:36]
Adam Schaefer
Alcohol.
- [69:37]
Justin Andrews
Alcohol is not going to help performance. Alcohol is extra empty calories. Very difficult when I'm gauging performance and sleep when I'm gauging weight loss. But if I'm on the bulk, empty calories isn't the worst thing. The thing you have to watch out for is when those calories replace calories you need when they replace essential things like fat and protein, because they still are calories and they still take up some room. And if you are not hitting your macro targets that you're supposed to, and in addition to that, you're eating in a alcohol caloric surplus. Yeah, you're gonna have a hard time building muscle.
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Adam Schaefer
Totally. But you know, let's, let's, let's get a little deeper, right? Three to five drinks a week, spread out. Like I have five drinks, but it's one drink a night is way different than five drinks in one day. Yeah, like if you drink all of them in one day, that's gonna have a much more detrimental effect on your ability to make any progress than if it was spread out during the week. Here's the other thing too. Like, everybody needs to relax about making progress. Like, what's going to compromise. Look, if you don't have a problem with alcohol, if you actually enjoy yourself and you like to enjoy the occasional glass of wine with dinner and you're with your family and friends and it's improving your quality of life, who cares? It's not that big of a deal. You're going to compete on stage. You're going to be a bodybuilder. Cut it out.
- [70:54]
Justin Andrews
Right?
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Adam Schaefer
You got to get you to 3% body fat get shredded. Like, you're not doing anything that's off the program. But for the average person, you know.
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Doug
One drink, real gradual progress, like, you know, not hitting every single mark. And that's really what it amounts to. It's like if you're talking about being super dialed, but then smashing something in that isn't helpful. That's stupid.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah. But you know, again, and if you look at the data on alcohol, here's what's interesting. You'll find data that'll support that one glass of wine a day improves your health. Now, it's not because the wine is necessarily healthy, but I think it's when they look at the cultures that do this, what they're finding is these are people that spend time together.
- [71:32]
Justin Andrews
I mean, Everybody in this room drinks.
- [71:34]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. Yeah.
- [71:34]
Justin Andrews
I mean, I just did a. I did an Instagram post of me drinking. The last post I did was me drinking whiskey and my wife drinking champagne on the weekend. And so absolutely, it's a part. I do think there is a. And you never know. I have like no idea who we're talking to. Right. And I've had many, many clients ask this before. And when it's a problem is when my client says they, I can't give up this thing. Right. When you have this attachment.
- [72:01]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [72:01]
Justin Andrews
To something. Well, then there's probably a deeper problem there than having this balance of alcohol because I'm all for a great weekend with your wife where you have a few drinks and. And sit by the pool or do your thing. Like, I think that has tremendous health benefits.
- [72:13]
Adam Schaefer
That's right.
- [72:14]
Justin Andrews
Relationship benefits and so on for it. But if you can't go a week of your life without having a drink every single day, or you can't have a week where you don't get drunk on the weekend, like, there's probably something more there than that. And that's underlining more than it is the calories with alcohol.
- [72:30]
Adam Schaefer
And there's a difference between drinking and getting drunk. There's a very big difference from a health perspective. Drinking probably okay for the most part, if everything else is healthy or whatever, especially if you're bonding with other people. Getting drunk usually never healthy. So.
- [72:46]
Doug
So I mean, even like I have very specific goal during that whole performance goal, I was not drinking.
- [72:52]
Adam Schaefer
Right.
- [72:52]
Doug
I just was like, it isn't helping. So I'm not gonna do it.
- [72:55]
Justin Andrews
There's a time for it.
- [72:56]
Doug
Simple as that. Then I started drinking again when I was done.
- [72:59]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. I mean, and you. There's also a period in your life too when you're trying to get it, like trying to get a hold of you yourself metabolically. And so where this becomes very detrimental is. And we're just. I have no idea of this person. Let's just pretend this is also the person who, you know, has yo. Yo. Dieted like crazy, only Normally eats about 1200-1500 calories, does all the crazy high intensity classes when they're on their kick. But then also, you know, has Sunday Funday with the girls and drinks five to seven drinks or whatever like that. Like, okay, well, those five to seven drinks are such a significant portion of your calorie intake because. Because your metabolism is so slow because you haven't spent spend the time building. Now take somebody who's metabolic healthy, like Justin, who Is easily. Can eat 3,000 plus calories and. And then has sitting. Then has those moments where he. You have a couple days where you. Not a big deal. So a lot of this question has to do with one, your relationship with that alcohol. Okay. And what's really going on there? Two, where you're currently at metabolically and, you know. And three, how, you know, how long or how often do we have to do this thing? It's like you absolutely can be healthy and fit and have alcohol. Everybody in this room does. There's nobody. In fact, is anybody in this room gone more than a week and not had a drink?
- [74:19]
Adam Schaefer
Oh, I do that all the time. Yeah.
- [74:21]
Justin Andrews
No, I mean, like, currently. Right. Has anyone. Did anyone. I mean, I know I drank in.
- [74:25]
Adam Schaefer
The last seven days. I had a. I think I had a margarita over the weekend, actually.
- [74:29]
Doug
It was weird.
- [74:29]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [74:29]
Doug
Because I went to my favorite Mexican place and I had like, water and I was like, this is like, blasphemy.
- [74:34]
Adam Schaefer
What? You like margarita?
- [74:35]
Justin Andrews
Has it been more than a week since you drank?
- [74:37]
Sal Destefano
No, I had something less.
- [74:38]
Justin Andrews
I'm saying, so, I mean, you're talking about four people that, that obviously care a lot about health and fitness, yet still find moments for that. But we can also. Everyone in this room could probably say, oh, there's probably been a month straight where I have no out. Right. So it's like, it doesn't have a hold on. On me like that. And so whenever I had a client that would say things like this to me, I, you know, to more questions. Yeah, exactly. There's more questions I'm going to want to ask because a lot of times, I mean, I. I remember having this. The last time I had this conversation was with an aunt of mine, and she, you know, she was like on her kick where she wants to get in shave, and she's like, but I. I don't want to give up my wine at night. And it's just like, man, when you say something like that to me, there's an issue there. It's like, you mean to tell me you can't not have a bottle of wine every single night? Like, and you. And then you want me to help you get healthy and fit?
- [75:24]
Adam Schaefer
It's like, especially when you're making room for the wine by cutting out food.
- [75:28]
Justin Andrews
And that's really.
- [75:28]
Adam Schaefer
I've had clients do that before. Like, well, what if I have the two glasses of wine. Yeah. And I cut out this other stuff over here? I'm like, well, now we're playing an interesting game. So that might not be the best?
- [75:37]
Justin Andrews
Well, yeah, because the questions that we asked earlier about it's calories, calories do matter. But then your body also needs these other essential macronutrients. And if alcohol is getting in the way of you consistently hitting these other macros that are essential to you living a healthy lifestyle, building muscle, being fed.
- [75:53]
Adam Schaefer
Not a good trade.
- [75:54]
Justin Andrews
It's not a good trade at all. Now you get to a place where you get your metabolism healthy, you understand what your body needs, and then you have the occasional three to five drinks. Yeah. Hell yes. And I'm for that.
- [76:05]
Sal Destefano
Next question is from Joshij93. What are the short and long term goals of Mind Pump?
- [76:12]
Adam Schaefer
Oh, I love it. You know, the long term goal is the same as it was when we first started the podcast. It's the same and the long term goal has been it always will be.
- [76:21]
Doug
World domination.
- [76:24]
Justin Andrews
Changes many lives as we.
- [76:25]
Adam Schaefer
Can to, to, to, to shift the fitness industry in a better direction to influence the industry of fitness. The, the media, the commercials, the information that's out there that, that is beneficial because the fitness industry for a long time puts out a lot of terrible information and really hasn't been a force for good. And so that's always been the goal of Mind Pump. And I think we've made some headway in some areas. So that's the long term goal. Short term goal recently is now moving in the, in the area of trainers and coaches. We have finally stepped in. Now. The podcast has always had a lot of trainers and coaches listen to it, but now we're actually moving into equipping them and hiring them. We actually have trainers and coaches that work for us now and we're growing that. And now we want to, you know, the first goal, the first short goal was to really work on the consumers and help educate them so that they can tell the difference between good and bad information and just present the good information better than the bad guys can present the bad information. Now we're working on the inside the soldiers and that's the trainers and coaches. Nobody can influence people with their health and fitness more. There's nobody that'll have more of an impact than a good coach or a good trainer. And so now the goal is specifically to create more of them both by hiring and by educating.
- [77:44]
Justin Andrews
And I think we had to do it in the order that we did.
- [77:47]
Adam Schaefer
Totally.
- [77:48]
Justin Andrews
You know, I, I think back to when I used to get a new step. Right. So in back in the company that we all work for. Right. 24 Fitness back in the days you it was common that you would run a, a club for a period of time and then they would move you to another club. Typically after you've done really well or if, or you've done really bad, right. They move you for one of those two reasons. And the reasons of the guys in this room was normally they did really well and then they got moved to another club to go fix that club or build it and you get a new staff. And so here I am, even though I had great success, the last club, I'm at a new Club. I have 15 trainers that are working for me who maybe kind of know me, but don't really know me. And now I'm in and I'm their boss. Like mistake one by some leaders or managers would be to come in and start telling them all how to be better coaches and trainers. I always didn't say anything and I just let them watch. So first thing I do is go in and, and quietly do their jobs and do it better so that I could earn the respect of all of them to tell them how to do their jobs better. And so when you think about what we did with the podcast, that was like, we're going to come out and go help people and we're going to help a lot of people and we're going to do it so good so well that, you know, millions of people find out about us and thousands and tens of thousands of trainers know about us. Now we have that respect and so now we have this ability to go, okay, now we have, we've, we've garnered that attention and respect. Now we can go in and really coach and teach them. And that's the main focus right now, is to really impact the trainer side of the house. And it's where a lot of our.
- [79:10]
Adam Schaefer
Energy there is, there hasn't been, and we're trying to create this. There has not been a standard for coaches and trainers. There's been, there hasn't been a place that you could point to where you could say that's the standard for coaches and trainers. There's good coaches and trainers that have been out there. There's always been really good coaches and trainers.
- [79:26]
Justin Andrews
Like a Hippocratic thing.
- [79:28]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, there's no like standard, like, oh, that's the place. Those are the trainers that all trainers should to aspire to be like. So what we're trying to do now is create that standard of what it's like of trainers that train clients the right way with a long term success in mind, with helping people develop these relationships with fitness where they do it for the rest of their lives without resorting to things like today's the last day or you know, here's your before and after. We're going to make you really doing it the right way and that's what we're trying to create now. And that's the short term goal. But again it's geared towards the long term goal is always has been to try to shift the industry and lead it and lead this industry so that when the consumer goes on and hears crap on Instagram or TikTok or whatever they can, they know, they point out, wait, this is not true. That's not really how it works. And this guy's not going to sell me this product because I know it's false promises and that doesn't sound right. And that's still the goal 10 years later. That's always going to be the goal.
- [80:27]
Doug
Out compete the Charlatans.
- [80:28]
Adam Schaefer
That's it. 100%. Look, if you like Mind Pump, come find us on Instagram mindpump Media. We'll see you there.
- [80:34]
Sal Destefano
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