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2668: Two-Day a Week 30-Min At-Home Dumbbell Workout Program for Muscle & Fat Loss & More (Listener Coaching)
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In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Two-Day a Week 30-Min Dumbbell At-Home Workout Program...
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Adam Schaefer
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Sal Destefano
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Justin Andrews
Sal Destefano, Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews.
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Sal Destefano
You just found the most downloaded fitness, health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump, right? In today's episode we answered listeners questions. People went to Mind Pump Media on Instagram, wrote in some questions and we picked four of them. By the way, if you want to write in a question, that's where you do it. But that was after the intro. Today's intro is 59 minutes long. In the intro we talk about fitness and fat loss and muscle gain, how you can improve your health, current events, family life. It is a great time. Now. This episode is brought to you by some sponsors. The first one is Paleo Valley. We talked today about their meat sticks. Grass fed grass, finished and fermented. What does that mean? That means the meat is juicy. It's not dry. It is not dry jerky. These are delicious meat sticks with good protein, good macro profiles. They stay fresh. Take them with you when you travel. Great snack. Go check them out. Go to paleov.com mind pump. You'll get a discount automatically applied at checkout. This episode is also brought to you by Jolie. They make shower heads that filter the chemicals out of your water. So when you wash your hair and your body well, it's better for you. Go to jolieskinco.com that's J-O-L-I-E S K-I-N C O.com Mindpump by by the way, you could try it out yourself for free with free shipping and if you don't like it, you return it for a full refund within 60 days. It's pretty cool. By the way, on their website you can get a report for your zip code to see what kind of chemicals are in your water. By the way, again, Jolie Shower heads. Remove those chemicals. We also have a sale this month. Maps 15 minutes is 50% off, half off. If you're interested, go to maps1fiveminutes.com. Use the code Muscle50 for the 50% off discount. Here comes the show. How much strength training do you need to see muscle growth and changes in your body? How much is actually useful and gonna work? Well, I'll tell you two days a week for 30 minutes. It's true for most of you. Two days a week, 30 minutes will give you great results. We're gonna give you a two day a week, 30 minute dumbbell at home workout program. We're gonna give it to you right now. I don't believe you. That'll work for most of you. Let's get into it.
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Adam Schaefer
I, you know, this one feeds into the stigma that we have, you know what I'm saying? Like we're like these, the, these you know, old dads for only beginners. Who people are. Yeah, don't really, that don't really work out if you're fits right into that stigma.
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Sal Destefano
If you're like a hardcore, just do an hour.
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Adam Schaefer
That's all we're asking.
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Sal Destefano
Well, here's the deal. Here's the deal. I am not interested. And I know you guys too. I'm not interested in reaching the addicted fitness fanatics. Yeah, I know. I don't care about, I care about you guys. I'm one of you.
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Doug
They're not gonna listen anyway, let's be honest.
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Sal Destefano
But you already got your thing. You're already doing your thing. You're probably doing too much, but that's fine. I do the same thing. I'm interested. We're interested in reaching people who have not yet been able to.
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Adam Schaefer
Right.
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Sal Destefano
Be consistent, make this a part of their life. Reap the benefits that exercise can provide. What really improves the quality of your life. And the message they keep hearing is the ones that come from the fitness fanatics, which is 100%. You gotta beat the crap out of yourself. Work out all the time. Here's what the data shows. There's a certain amount that you can do that will reap about 80% of the benefits. Anything more than that, you start squeezing out a little bit more. Okay, so 80% of the benefits that you'll get from strength training comes from about two days a week, 30 minutes, maybe 45 minutes as you get more advanced. And that's it. Now, yes, you can get to 85, 90% but now you're talking about way more time in the gym and it's Attainable.
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Adam Schaefer
It's not that crazy when the people you are describing who haven't made this a part of their lifestyle consistently when you ask them, I would say that 100% of them would be happy with 80% of their ultimate goal. So it's like, totally. Yeah. So, I mean, it's a good point to make. It's a good conversation to have because one. Because that is that we have this kind of stigma around us, which is funny. You know, we just had Scott Donnelly in here and on the way out, he was like. I could tell he was, like, wanting to know, like, what I did for lifting. He did one of those, like, sizing me up. And then you, like, you know, so.
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Sal Destefano
What do you do?
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Adam Schaefer
You know, split. Yeah, he asked just like that. We do, like, the wads of the double split.
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Sal Destefano
He did.
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Adam Schaefer
He totally asked like that too. Like, well, you know, know like a once, twice a week, you know, type of deal. And he's like, really, like, you know, thinking I would go hard. And I'm like, no. I said, you know, I want to be mobile with my son. I want to be strong enough and capable enough to do the things I need to do and feel good. I want to have a healthy enough metabolism that I can eat a flexible diet, enjoy foods that I like to eat. I said, yeah, so it doesn't. It really doesn't take as much as what everybody makes it out to be. And. And the further you go outside of those. Those boundaries, like, so, you know, yeah, if you eat like an asshole, it does require a lot more activity to burn all those calories. But if you eat balanced and feed your body properly, you don't have to train that much that hard, that often to elicit a tremendous amount of results.
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Sal Destefano
Listen, most of my clients that I train for years and years and years and years train twice a week. Strength train. That was it. That was their routine. Two days a week. By the way, one of the challenges with this is people hear the message that you need to be active every day to be healthy. That is true. What we're not saying is you do two days a week, 30 minutes of strength training, and then you do no activity for the rest of the day.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah, sit on the couch all day.
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Sal Destefano
No, no activity. Every day is important. That's not what we're talking about. What I'm talking about here are structured workouts. What we're talking about is strength training. How much strength training do you need to do to get about 80% of the results that strength training is going to Provide and it turns out very clear. Again, the data supports, a lot of the data supports this and our experience supports this. For most people, it's a couple days a week, 30 minutes. As long as you do progressive overload and you train yourself, you do the right exercises, do it the right way, you're going to get great results. Are you going to look like a bodybuilder? No, but you're going to feel fit, you're going to have more muscle, you're going to look more sculpted and your body will continue to progress following a routine like this. So number one is you don't need much. Number two is it needs to be basic. Basic meaning focus on the movements that count the most, the ones that produced the most return for investment. Because there's a million and one different strength training exercises and they'll have value if they're applied properly, but they don't all have the same value. And for this person right here that we're talking to, this person is interested in health, fitness, faster metabolism, good hormone health, some strength, like some exercises, just better to invest your time in than others. So it does need to be basic. The next one is intensity. Once I say this, here's what, even if I convince somebody who doesn't understand what I'm talking about, and I say, oh, you know, two days a week, 30 minutes, then they immediately think, oh, that's because you beat the crap out yourself.
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Adam Schaefer
Hit.
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Sal Destefano
You must go so hard twice a week for 30 minutes that that's all you need. No, that's also not true. The intensity is about 80 to 90%. So you're going hard, but you're not at 100%. You're not killing yourself. In fact, for most people, that kind of intensity all the time will actually cause your body to regress. You'll start to over train and burn yourself out. 80 to 90% intensity most of the time is what you're after. And yes, there are those short stints or spurts or sprints where you are pushing it, but they're short. You know, most of the time, good. 90% of your year is going to be sitting at around 80% intensity. That's what gives you.
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Doug
And that's effort really. Yes, more than anything. Like, you don't have to like assume that that's just like load that. We're just maximizing every single time. You can, you can actually apply more effort into some of these exercises and also change up your acute variables. So you could change the tempo, you could hold it for a bit longer, but to Keep within that 80, 90% range is ideal.
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Sal Destefano
That's right.
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Adam Schaefer
Which doesn't include failure, by the way.
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Sal Destefano
Right. Yeah. Failure is 100.
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Adam Schaefer
Right. So it's not, it's not even failure training.
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Sal Destefano
No. This is stopping about 2, 3 reps before your form's going to break down. So. So it's hard, but, you know, I could do about two more reps. That's when you stop rep range. Let's talk about that here. With this workout, you know, all the rep ranges up to a, you know, maybe 50, which all the rep ranges from 0 to, from 1 to 50 have value. We're going to pick though the rep range that's going to provide the best bang for the buck and the best safety. And that's between 8 to 20. So it really doesn't matter. I don't care if you go 15, I don't care if you go 8 or 10. It is a good idea to, to try to work in different rep ranges. So, you know, for a few weeks you could stick to around 10 reps. Maybe a couple weeks after that stick to around 15 reps. But 8 to 20 is a nice sweet spot when it comes to rep range. With. When it comes to risk building muscle strength and performance.
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Adam Schaefer
I was just gonna ask you. I'm assuming that the reason why you're not including like the 3 to 5 rep range, because we know how beneficial that is for building muscle is for the risk profile.
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Sal Destefano
That's right. Yeah. So safety.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah. So because then you're definitely going to get some science nerds. They're going to hear that, be like, how could you not include 3 to 5 reps? Which is some of the. You guys. So you were factoring in a risk profile and the reason why that it changes by the rep range is someone who chooses a weight they can do eight times, it's a, it's going to be significantly lighter or relative to their max lift.
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Sal Destefano
Right.
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Adam Schaefer
Where if you're picking a lift that you're only going to get three to five reps, you're. You're closer to your max and therefore has a greater risk profile, typically.
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Sal Destefano
Right.
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Adam Schaefer
And this is a safe zone for.
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Sal Destefano
Any lifter to start and risk.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
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Sal Destefano
Right. Nice. Nice for both of them. Next up is you're going to rest in between sets for about two to three minutes. Two to three minutes. Because the rest periods are what makes strength training. Strength training. If I cut the rest periods too short or eliminate them completely, this is no longer strength training. So you might as well get rid of your dumbbells and just do jumping jacks in place, you're essentially getting the same value. We're, and I'm oversimplifying, of course, but the rest periods in between are what allow you to train in the energy systems that produce strength and muscle. Yeah, that's what we're looking for. If we're going to do strength training, it's to build strength. If we're going to do endurance training, it's to build endurance. If we're if for what we're talking about, this is strength training. So even if you feel like you can keep going, don't you rest in between sets?
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Doug
I like that you said two, three as well, because some people could just do one and still consider it strength training. However, like, the more we lean towards the longer amount of minutes, because typically people, they don't. They don't follow this. It's something that they just ignore and, and just want to keep pursuing the rest of the workout to get it finished and then miss all the benefits.
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Sal Destefano
In fact, I recommend people, especially if this is new to you, get a stopwatch and literally watch the stopwatch, and then wait till at least two minutes before you start again. Because a lot of times people, especially in the beginning, they're like, I think I can go again. And they jump right in. And then we lose some of the benefits of strength training. The exercises that we're going to list, you want to do about two sets of each of the exercises. Now, that's looking at the total volume for the week. Again, we're looking at, you know, minimum amount to get most of the benefit. So when we go through the exercises, you're doing two, two working sets. So this is beyond. This is after you're warmed up and you feel good, you know, 80 to 90% intensity, you want to do two sets of all the exercises that we are going to list here. And the focus is on getting stronger. If you're getting stronger relatively consistently. So if you're just getting started, you're going to notice yourselves get stronger week after week. If you're feeding yourself properly, you're doing what we say you're doing it right. You should see yourself add reps or weight pretty consistently for a little while. This doesn't last forever, but over time, strength is the best measure of whether or not you're moving in the right direction. Now, of course, three, four, five years down the line, you're not going to get stronger forever. But initially, it's strength that correlates to building muscle. It's Strength that correlates to improved performance, improved results. If you're getting stronger, when my clients were getting stronger, I know we're doing a lot of things right, almost. We're doing at least most of things lining up.
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Adam Schaefer
I also think that part of this recommendation is also intended to take the client's focus off the scale and the mirror.
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Sal Destefano
That's right.
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Adam Schaefer
Which tends to be the most common things that people are watching. Most common things are I'm not happy with the way I look or I need to lose this amount of weight. And when you focus on those two things, a lot of times they're misread from somebody who doesn't know any better. And then they end up making a decision within their workout or their diet that is counter to what they should be doing.
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Sal Destefano
They compromise the results.
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Adam Schaefer
Yes. And you, instead of, of being focused on the mirror and the scale, if you just focus on getting stronger, you know you're moving. Allow that to be your North Star while following all the other tips. It will serve you far better than the mirror, the scale.
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Sal Destefano
That's right. And now, finally, let's talk about activity before we get to the workout. Every single day, you should move. Now, I, I read a study before that talked about the, the amount of steps you should take every day to get most of the benefits of steps or most of the benefits of activity. By the way, there's nothing necessarily magical about steps. It's just an easy way to track activity. Right. So you can be active a lot of different ways. You could ride a bike, which includes no steps, but we use steps because it's easy to measure. Most phones have a pedometer or you can buy a very inexpensive one. It's something you can track and you can see throughout the day. Well, I just saw another study that just came out that showed it was 7,000 steps. 7,000 steps a day will give you the majority of the benefits you're going to get from activity. Beyond that, you start to get more benefit, but the benefits you get start to diminish dramatically with increased steps. In other words, all the benefits you get from zero to 7,000 are phenomenal. From 7,000 to 10,000, you get a little bit more benefit. From 10,000 to 15,000, even less benefit. But 7,000 is where you get the bulk of the benefit from being active on a daily basis. All right, let's get into the workout. These are 30 minute workouts that require dumbbells and maybe a bench for some of the exercises. And that's it. So we'll start with workout.
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Doug
I love it.
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Sal Destefano
Very simple. We'll start with workout one. You're going to start with dumbbell lunges. The goal is to do 8 reps to 20 reps per leg. If you're doing lunges, it's probably easier to go for 8, 20 reps per legs and take you a long time. That's pretty brutal. So dumbbell lunges, two sets. Then we go to a dumbbell incline press. This is for the chest, shoulders and triceps. Then you have a dumbbell row. And then you do reverse crunches. Two sets each, four exercises. This is workout one. Do this skip a couple days, then you get to workout two. The first exercise on workout two is dumbbell Romanian deadlifts. Rdls. This is for the glutes and the hamstrings. Another lower body exercise. Then you're doing an overhead press. Then you're doing some curls and a tricep extension. And congratulations, you've worked your entire body.
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Doug
Covered all the bases.
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Sal Destefano
And if you follow just this routine for a year and you got stronger consistently over that year, you will see some really amazing changes. And you do the 7,000 steps a day, you'll see some great improvements.
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Adam Schaefer
I'd like to add some more specific, easy to follow advice to this person that wants to follow. This is for four weeks, do 10 reps on all these exercises. Then for four weeks, do it at 15. Then for four weeks, go to the eight rep range and just keep cycling through that for the entire year. Totally do that. Keep it easy, simple. Because the only thing that changes it just enough. Yep, every, every. And you know, we tend to rotate things in our programs around three weeks for our reasons. But, like, four is easy. Just every month. This is the month I'm running 10 reps on everything I do. Oh, this is the month I'm doing 15 reps. Everything. Oh, this is the month I'm doing eight reps of everything. These are the exerc exercises I'm doing. You cycle through that for a year's time, that is going to progress. Most people significantly in the. In their first year of training. And even if it's not your first year, if you've been out of training for a while, like, let's say you've been off for six months a year. Years. But you've trained in the past. This routine will get you really, really far.
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Sal Destefano
That's right. All right, I got a cool study here on exercising Cancer, probably. Besides not smoking, that's not really a thing you do. It's a thing you don't do. Besides not smoking, exercise is the most anti cancer thing you can do. And by the way, if we take the category of exercise and look at the subgroups of what form of exercise has the greatest strength training. Yeah. Cancer risk reduction and strength training. But all forms of exercise. Pretty remarkable. There's a new study that came out.
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Adam Schaefer
Is strength training more than not smoking or is it still not smoking?
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Sal Destefano
Number one, it's more. You know what's funny about smoking? So smoking causes a lot of problems, right? The cancer, I hate to say it does.
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Doug
It filter more problematic cells out through celtophagy.
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Sal Destefano
So I'll read this study to you. So exercise creates a less favorable environment for cancer growth by altering hormone levels, immune function, inflammatory markers and metabolic factors. An Australian study in 2022 found that blood samples taken after a single 30 minute exercise session. So one 30 minute workout reduced the growth of prostate cancer cells by about 30% in vitro. So they use in vitro, it's not an animal. Right. So it's not a human. But in vitro, when they take the blood sample of someone who's exercised for 30 minutes and they put it in there, it reduces the cancer cell growth by 30%. Now we see this translate into the real world exercise, strength training in particular dramatically improve reduces cancer risk like in a big, big way. It's one of the single biggest cancer reduction risk things you could do. Smoking causes a lot of health problems. So it's not just cancer. We think of lung cancer or other cancers. It also can cause heart disease. It causes stiffening of the arteries. It could contribute to lots of different things. The lung cancer risk increase with smoking. And I hate to say this because it sounds like it's a defensive. It's actually not that big of a jump in risk. It's a jump for sure. But it's not like this huge jump that people freak out over. And that doesn't mean you should smoke because smoking causes a lot of other health problems. Downstream things when you compile all of them together. Terrible. Okay. Not good for you. But yeah. How crazy is that? One blood sample reduced cancer cell growth by 30%. Yeah. Because of what gets put in the blood from exercise, from the. What the muscles release and the body releases.
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Doug
Now unrelated somewhat, but. Did you hear about the bee venom in breast cancer? No research. So it was like a substantial reduction like they were. They're starting to use it as a treatment, valid treatment. I don't know what the percentage is. Was a very high success rate that they're using with bee venom.
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Sal Destefano
That's wild. Yeah.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
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Sal Destefano
That is so wild. Doug, can you look that up? Bee venom cancer.
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Doug
I've been meaning to bring that up. This is one of those old notes I had a long time ago and just kind of like fell off. But.
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Sal Destefano
Well, you know that we've. We've gotten like snake venom. We've learned how to get anticoagulant medicines from blood pressure. Yeah. Or something like that from snake venom. So it's pretty cool that.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
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Doug
Natural sources. I'm always interested in that. If it makes a substantial impact or not.
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Sal Destefano
What does that say there, Doug?
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Justin Andrews
Yeah. So there are certain components of bee venom, particularly melitin is called, that may have anti cancer properties. So induce cancer cell death and inhibit growth. They can target specific cancer cells and a variety of other things.
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Adam Schaefer
Now, is anybody bottling this up and selling it in pill form or is.
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Doug
This like they're just that level, yet.
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Justin Andrews
Only been worked on animals mainly at this point.
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Sal Destefano
That's interesting. Yeah. It's so interesting to me how different people react to bee stings. Forget the allergic part, but I don't know. Do you guys get a big reaction from a Steve Bean? No.
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Adam Schaefer
Katrina does, but I don't.
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Sal Destefano
Me neither. I get nothing. I get like a tiny little whatever. I have a cousin whose hand gets all swollen if he gets here.
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Doug
Scientists tested honeybee venom on different types of breast cancer cells in laboratory dishes. The secret weapon is melittin, a molecule that punches holes in cancer cell walls, causing them to die rapidly while leaving healthy cells mostly unharmed. Researchers found that melatonin works like targeted missile. Anyway, this. This says that it was like destroyed 100% of aggressive breast cancer cells in under 60 minutes.
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Sal Destefano
Whoa.
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Doug
Which was interesting.
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Sal Destefano
What would they do, like inject it directly into a tumor?
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Doug
Yeah, injected it.
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Sal Destefano
That would be interesting.
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Adam Schaefer
Is this all relatively new to this, like just now emerging?
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Doug
I just saw it. Yeah, I saw it like a month or two ago. Oh, interesting.
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Sal Destefano
Yeah, I. It's so funny. Yesterday, and without talking about who the person is, because I don't want to give them lots of, you know, lots of fame or whatever, got got called out by some person on social media about a comment we made about protein, animal protein, being superior.
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Adam Schaefer
Oh, gosh.
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Sal Destefano
Which, by the way, this is such a. It's such a silly argument. I literally told the guy, I said, we have been on air for 10 years, 100%. There are things you could come after us for that are way better than this, because this is pretty established. And the thing was that, you know, animal protein, gram Per gram. It builds more muscle, it's got better amino acid profile, more bioavailable. This is pretty well established with protein experts. Anyway, he did this post trying to refute something we said. So I went on there and commented and oh my God, I don't realize that his page, because he's. It says Dr. So and so his page is all about. It's all these like pro animal welfare vegans. Yeah.
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Doug
And that's the religious side of veganism, dude.
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Adam Schaefer
You know, it's also the side that we defend.
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Doug
Yeah, I mean, yeah, if you're gonna be about it.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah. I mean, that's what we. One of the. When we talk about veganism and the, the people that, like, we totally understand is the people that are doing it for those reasons, like, if it's not a healthier way to eat, like, that's established. We know it's more difficult. We know all the science says. We've said that since day one, for a long time. But at the same token, understand that there's people that are like, hey, they believe it. And like, I'm, I'm not going to tell them. That's a bad.
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Sal Destefano
You know what's interesting to me? This is how, you know, for some people, it becomes like a false religion almost is like, you can say, I believe in the welfare of animals to the point where I don't want to eat them. Okay, you can say that. But then what they do is they have to go and try to make points that are not true. Like, it's healthier, it's better. Vegan protein is better for you. That's what people were saying there. It's better for you than animal sources of protein. I'm like, you don't have to say all that. Yeah, but that's how you could tell that it gets so twisted that not only do they say, I don't want to eat animals, they also say, oh, no, but it's also better and everything. Like, there isn't a single thing you can list.
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Doug
It reinforces their belief system instead of staying objective.
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Sal Destefano
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's, it was wild. I know. I got called an animal abuser in that.
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Adam Schaefer
I wish I would have seen that. Would have leaned into that. I saw me pop a dog the other day.
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Sal Destefano
Actually, dude, I almost commented, like, no, I eat them, but I don't abuse them. I don't keep chickens. Burgers is abus use. I'll eat you later. You know, just mess with the little bit.
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Adam Schaefer
Those are my, my favorite Instagram doctors. I Just that's, that gets them the mad. They don't, they don't like.
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Sal Destefano
Would you say Instagram? Yeah, yeah.
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Adam Schaefer
Oh, look, I just go, oh, look, another Instagram doctor.
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Doug
Are you done with your tick tock?
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Adam Schaefer
They get so mad. You can tell.
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Sal Destefano
They get so upset.
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Adam Schaefer
They hang their hat on that so much. Oh, look, an Instagram doctor.
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Sal Destefano
Oh my God. Yeah, I just saw a post on. Who was it? A fitness influencer. I won't say what it is. Did a post and said how they can't wait for lab meat, lab grown meat to be commercially, like, available because.
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Doug
It'S proven itself to be so healthy, obviously.
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Sal Destefano
Well, he's like, I should read what he said. But essentially how it will, it will be the greatest reduction in suffering in human history.
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Adam Schaefer
Come on, read it then. Did it really say it like that?
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Sal Destefano
Okay, I'm eating lab grown meat the second it's mass market ready. It's biologically identical to animal meat and would reduce suffering more than any technology in the history of our planet.
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Doug
Do they believe in keeping wildlife wild?
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Sal Destefano
I, I don't know.
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Doug
Because that's interesting because they suffer amongst each other.
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Sal Destefano
Yeah. You know what the, you know what this challenge is? The challenge of this is that is. I, yeah, I know they say it's biologically identical, but I don't buy that it's going to be the same. And you can't sell that to me. You can't sell to me that you're going to grow tissue in a lab. I'm going to eat it and it's going to be the same in every way. It just, there's, there's something about it that's wrong. And I think if you, if science, if you just like worship science, then I guess you can make that argument. But it just, I think most people know in their core, like, that's not right to grow steaks in a lab. And by the way, you wonder why they're promoting this so much.
- [25:38]
Doug
Well, we need living things to consume.
- [25:41]
Sal Destefano
And you could, you could, you can mass market, but you could also patent it if you lab grow me. You have now patented steaks that you could sell that you could now competitors can't copy versus, you know, cows or chickens or whatever.
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Doug
I still think that they're going to turn to zombies. What people eat this? Lab grown meat only. What are you consuming?
- [26:03]
Sal Destefano
Yeah, there's no, no life. It's not, It's.
- [26:05]
Doug
Yeah, it's, it's, it's weird. Frankenstein.
- [26:08]
Adam Schaefer
How, how close are we to this becoming like a, like mass Marketed thing. Are we, are we close?
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Sal Destefano
I don't. I think it's so expensive that we're not there yet. I mean have you seen what they look like? They print the meat and marbling and everything. Yeah. So what you would get is what it is. Let's say they produce 100 ribeyes. It would all look identical. Like every single one would have identical.
- [26:29]
Adam Schaefer
It looks like the marbling, the plastic food that you, you kids could get in like their toys, you know what I'm saying? Like those, like those things. So interesting. You know, do we have. We had people like tasting it and trying it. Like how closely does it taste to the real thing?
- [26:43]
Sal Destefano
And we should look it up.
- [26:45]
Adam Schaefer
I mean is. It isn't like. I know this is impossible. Burger is not the same thing as lab grown meat. But I mean are, are we not thinking the same thing's going to happen with that? I mean I think that people are. I think there's something in us that will go, this isn't right. Whether it's the taste that will do that, if it's the visual of it that will do that, but something about.
- [27:04]
Doug
It, the stem cell from an actual meat, right?
- [27:07]
Sal Destefano
Yeah.
- [27:08]
Doug
Yeah. So you're still eating meat but now it's just more sciency.
- [27:12]
Sal Destefano
Yeah, yeah. What does that sound. It's way more expensive. Yeah.
- [27:16]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [27:17]
Justin Andrews
Anywhere from 17 to $23 a pound.
- [27:21]
Adam Schaefer
It's not like it'll never.
- [27:24]
Justin Andrews
Well, they're going to find ways to get the cost down.
- [27:26]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
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Sal Destefano
One of the ways that I've seen them theorize getting the cost down by the way. Because printing the meat sell by cell is why it's so expensive. Yeah. I've seen them say that they would engineer animals that were grown without brains so they don't feel pain. So you'd have like. Yeah, dude, that's like weird man.
- [27:45]
Doug
You're trying to tell me that's not cruel to bring something like that?
- [27:50]
Sal Destefano
Pigs or cows that are, you know.
- [27:51]
Doug
Well yeah, and I get it because their thought process that they could like extract some of the cells from an existing animal, put it in meat, react, grow it and duplicate it. But yeah, it's just. I mean the further away we get from the natural process of things like the, the more of these like unforeseen problems are going to.
- [28:10]
Sal Destefano
That's it. The unforced, unforeseen.
- [28:12]
Adam Schaefer
Should probably test it on prisoners for a while first.
- [28:14]
Sal Destefano
Wow. Why?
- [28:16]
Adam Schaefer
Well, just raise Justin rails just because Justin's theory is correct. You know what I'm saying? So at least they're locked in cages when they turn into zombies.
- [28:23]
Sal Destefano
Wow, bro. That's messed up.
- [28:26]
Adam Schaefer
That's old school, dude.
- [28:29]
Sal Destefano
That's messed up. Dr. Foucher. I mean. Yeah, Just.
- [28:32]
Adam Schaefer
Just in case Justin's right. It's not a bad strategy to, like, let's test this out here. We'll run it in prisons for like.
- [28:37]
Doug
A decade and then we'll launch it.
- [28:38]
Sal Destefano
That's not nice. That's. He's joking, everybody. Yeah, they did. They've done experiments on prisoners in the past. I know. Yeah. Where they've injected things and stuff.
- [28:46]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [28:46]
Sal Destefano
Oh, man. Oh, that's super not cool. Did you guys see. I know you did, Justin. The sphere. The metal sphere.
- [28:52]
Adam Schaefer
I heard you guys talking about that off air. What was that, dude?
- [28:54]
Sal Destefano
What? He's always free.
- [28:58]
Doug
It was clear.
- [28:59]
Sal Destefano
It was like, pull it up, Doug. Pull up the sphere over the. Is it Mexico or metal orb?
- [29:04]
Doug
That was like inside a volcano in Mexico.
- [29:07]
Sal Destefano
Yeah. Why over volcano too? Just to make it even more again.
- [29:10]
Doug
This is the. There's a lot of this site of UFOs around, like these big mountain peaks and.
- [29:17]
Sal Destefano
Yeah, look at this.
- [29:18]
Adam Schaefer
Is that real footage?
- [29:19]
Sal Destefano
Yeah.
- [29:19]
Adam Schaefer
Get out.
- [29:20]
Sal Destefano
It's like a perfectly round metal sphere.
- [29:22]
Doug
Again.
- [29:22]
Adam Schaefer
Get out of here.
- [29:23]
Doug
This could just be a technology that they're working on that. That's. I mean, most of this stuff too. And I had. Somebody was breaking this down.
- [29:32]
Adam Schaefer
Well, that's a lot of footage that.
- [29:34]
Doug
Now can submerge in water really fast. But, like, this is like an emerging technology they think that the government's been working on.
- [29:41]
Adam Schaefer
I mean, we're. We're definitely due for some like, Blackbird type shit that we had. I mean, that was like 19 6.
- [29:48]
Doug
Where are we at now?
- [29:49]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, exactly. That was a long time ago. We're growing meat in a lab, bro. We should be doing some crazy shit on the airplane side. Come on.
- [29:56]
Sal Destefano
They wouldn't share it with, but Gene.
- [29:57]
Doug
Edit silently is getting crazy. I don't know if you guys looked into that.
- [30:01]
Sal Destefano
What is it?
- [30:02]
Doug
Gene editing?
- [30:03]
Sal Destefano
Oh, no, I haven't.
- [30:04]
Doug
Oh, yeah. It's advancing like crazy.
- [30:05]
Sal Destefano
I saw. So not secret, but have you guys seen how fast, like, some of these commercial drones are? Have you seen how fast they take off?
- [30:12]
Adam Schaefer
Oh, yeah.
- [30:13]
Sal Destefano
They're crazy. Oh, it doesn't look real. Yeah, you can go on YouTube where people buy. Oh, yeah. They take off so fast. Yeah.
- [30:20]
Doug
Is wearing the VR and it's just, you know, I mean, what, through your own head movements?
- [30:25]
Adam Schaefer
What did Scott Donnelly say today when we were talking to him about Donald oh, it's not Donnelly.
- [30:29]
Justin Andrews
That's Donald.
- [30:30]
Adam Schaefer
Oh, it's Donald. Sorry. Scott. Shout out to Scott there. Get his name wrong.
- [30:33]
Sal Destefano
I think he makes supplements. Was that like a supplement?
- [30:36]
Adam Schaefer
Joe? Yeah, Joe, our old friend there. No, he. Would he say it's down to now. He was breaking down what the printing press did, then what the Internet did, and then now what AI is doing as far as advancing.
- [30:47]
Doug
It's like 13 hours now.
- [30:49]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [30:50]
Sal Destefano
All the information ever doubles. Yeah, yeah. That we put out on the Internet doubles every 13 hours.
- [30:55]
Adam Schaefer
And so back in the printing press, it was. It doubled every 25 years.
- [30:58]
Sal Destefano
Yeah. It was 100 years before that, which was because of the speed of how. How. How much. You know, how fast people.
- [31:03]
Adam Schaefer
Every 100 years before printing press, it would take to double the information. Then it went printing press, and that cut it all the way down to 25 years to double the information. Then the Internet came around and took it to.
- [31:13]
Sal Destefano
I think it was one day. One day.
- [31:15]
Adam Schaefer
Was it one day?
- [31:16]
Doug
Yeah.
- [31:16]
Adam Schaefer
And then. Now AI is not. To get down to what?
- [31:18]
Doug
AI took it down to 16.
- [31:19]
Adam Schaefer
16 or 13 hours.
- [31:21]
Sal Destefano
13 hours and that.
- [31:22]
Adam Schaefer
And that's exponentially speeding up right now.
- [31:24]
Doug
Yeah, yeah, it's.
- [31:26]
Sal Destefano
Yeah.
- [31:27]
Adam Schaefer
That's crazy.
- [31:28]
Doug
Chat gbt. Where are we at now? Five, I think.
- [31:31]
Sal Destefano
Have you guys used it?
- [31:32]
Doug
Yeah.
- [31:32]
Adam Schaefer
Oh, I use it all the time.
- [31:33]
Sal Destefano
Is it crazy?
- [31:33]
Adam Schaefer
It's chatgpt.
- [31:34]
Sal Destefano
Does it talk to now?
- [31:35]
Doug
It'll do, like, infographics for anything you want. So you. You just. I mean, you can explain it, but now it'll also, like, show you.
- [31:42]
Adam Schaefer
It is. It is very obvious to me that if you're listening to this right now and you're not at least trying to learn how to utilize chat gbt, you are going to get left behind, because there's a learning curve of just understanding how to prompt it correctly. I mean, I. I barely kind of. I feel like I have a very surface.
- [32:03]
Sal Destefano
I use AI, like, advanced Google.
- [32:06]
Adam Schaefer
That's what they say every boomer does.
- [32:07]
Sal Destefano
Yeah.
- [32:08]
Adam Schaefer
You know, there's like a. There's all kinds of jokes circling around about, you know, you know, boomers use AI. They just Google search with it, which is. Which is. Hey, I mean, at least you're getting introduced to it. Yeah, but there is such a more advanced way to. I told you guys what my. My sister was doing.
- [32:22]
Sal Destefano
Right.
- [32:22]
Adam Schaefer
I don't know if they talk about that. Yeah, Like, I mean, there's the. The ways that some of the younger generation is using it is. Is pretty fascinating. And how well you prompt it Will determine how well you use it. And so if you're not practicing it right now, I think that you're going to get left behind and I think every industry is going to get disrupted by it.
- [32:41]
Sal Destefano
I saw, I sent you, I mean.
- [32:43]
Adam Schaefer
Even, even like so the old, like what we were saying just a few years ago is like well you know, electricians and plumbers. No, even them like if you're a plumber or electrician and you're not using it to troubleshoot things and get to it faster. I told you about my brother in law who like fixed his like that's mechanic right there. He literally something that he would have done, taking it to a mechanic a year ago. He was able to use AI to actually work through that process and teach him in a very short period of time on his own car. Like so it's like if you don't think it's going to disrupt even physical labor, you're crazy.
- [33:13]
Sal Destefano
Well what's crazy about this is that I sent you that clip yesterday. That gentleman, I remember who it was, was an expert on it and he said that he thinks, he says in two years 50% of white collar entry level jobs will be gone. Two years, 50% gone. And the challenge I've seen even more than that. Well the challenge with this is that we can't adapt fast enough. Typically with evolving technologies we can adapt markets with it well, but this will change so quickly.
- [33:39]
Adam Schaefer
What's going to happen, Sal, and I don't disagree with that point is that we're going to have this, I don't know what you're going to call it, like a period of darkness or like a really rough patch. To your point, is that the will. Because typically when new technology comes out it develops and creates more new jobs and it will still do that, but it's the fall off will be so fast that it's going to take those, the 50 people that lose their white collar job. Yeah. It's going to take them exponential like more time to figure it out faster than the new jobs are coming on. And so we're going to go through this weird period where like those jobs again, if you're using it right now, you, you're protecting your job. I really think that it's going to come down to imagine a business where you have 15 employees that are doing jobs that technically AI is going to be able to do. There's going to still need to be one person on that staff. They have to prompt it, use it, do it.
- [34:32]
Sal Destefano
Might as well be you.
- [34:33]
Adam Schaefer
That's Right. So if you're listening, you be that person, go figure that out. Protect your job by doing that because you'll keep the person on the staff that has that ability to do that.
- [34:43]
Doug
Or they'll hire or hammer and you know, learn a paid.
- [34:46]
Sal Destefano
Because you're speaking of industries. The gym industry is interesting. Do you see that article that Jackie sent over the average cost of a gym membership?
- [34:54]
Adam Schaefer
Oh, I didn't see what it said.
- [34:56]
Sal Destefano
So I read that and I read a little bit of the article. What's interesting to me about the gym industry, is it.
- [35:00]
Adam Schaefer
Okay, is it average or meeting? Because. Did it take the. Because it's lower and higher.
- [35:04]
Sal Destefano
That's right. That's what I was gonna say.
- [35:05]
Adam Schaefer
Okay.
- [35:05]
Sal Destefano
What's happened in the gym industry. Yeah. Is you have really cheap or you have now expensive.
- [35:10]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [35:11]
Sal Destefano
The middle stuff is gone, crushed. It used to exist. There used to be like nice mid range gyms. Now it's like you're paying either 10 bucks a month and then that's the kind of gym. Or you're paying 200 or you're paying 150 or 200 bucks a month type of gym. It's really interesting how that's happened.
- [35:24]
Adam Schaefer
Well, because it's, it's so, they're so closely related because even like your spa, that's 150 to 200 when it comes to the main things that you need to get fit and healthy.
- [35:36]
Sal Destefano
Yeah.
- [35:37]
Adam Schaefer
The $9 one has it.
- [35:38]
Sal Destefano
Yeah.
- [35:39]
Adam Schaefer
You're really justifying paying that extra 100 for these little lush amenities. Oh, I get a massage there. Oh, it's got a cold plunge or it's not crowded.
- [35:45]
Sal Destefano
People.
- [35:46]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, yeah. Or less people. And so you're, you are accepting. I am paying a higher premium for not much more of the thing that it's giving me that is giving me the real results. So that's why it's washed out everything in the middle. Because then you're like, well I'm going to spend 50, I may as well go all the way up to 100 and get the spa like place. Or I may as well reduce it down to 10 and go do the, you know, whatever fitness 19 thing. Like that's so it's pushed everybody into those two directions, those categories.
- [36:10]
Sal Destefano
Speaking of James, I was at UFC gym this morning, shout out to my buddy Don Cardona. He's. He owns the one Oak Ridge Mall. And I went and did my, I did my part of my series again and I worked out with Johnny Sebastian. I love Johnny. Which was a good time. It's I've never worked out. I've worked out with lots of people. I've worked out for years and years and years. Never worked out with a pro bodybuilder. Johnny's a pro, known him for years. It was a lot of fun. It's really cool training with someone who's at elite level when it comes to their training. And bodybuilders are so good at certain things when it comes to strength training. Like they're so good at understanding angles and isolating and how to feel a particular muscle. We did this one machine. It's just a lever pull down machine. So you've seen hammer strength. And this is a Nautilus lever 1, I use it all the time. He took handles that normally you would use on a cable machine. Hooked it over the handle of the.
- [37:03]
Adam Schaefer
Machine, rotated to the side, rotate it a little bit.
- [37:06]
Sal Destefano
He gets a full stretch of it and I'm watching his technique so he's not like some dude who just saw it on Instagram. Like he knows what he's doing and obviously he's well developed. So he turns his body and he's getting like full stretch in the lat, full contraction and he's, I mean great technique and kudos to him. He's been bodybuilding for decades now, competing, never had a major injury and it's because his technique is so good. He's not one of those guys that goes after like just chasing, you know, crazy amounts away.
- [37:31]
Adam Schaefer
Such a good point or topic to bring up after the fit tip that you had today. And we were talking about how to get 80% of the results. It's what he's. I love it too. I mean I've worked out many times with Johnny and. Oh yeah, oh yeah. There's a, there's a crew of. I got a fact. Maybe for the editing team. I'll send a great old school picture of me, my, my belt and wife, you know, my tank top. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's where we all, we all used to train there. And so I've got me. You know there's like four or five of us pros that were all together lift that used to lift like that and we just rotate who's leading the workout and stuff like that. But my point is that so good, yet so bad, like so good and fun for like you.
- [38:10]
Sal Destefano
Yeah.
- [38:10]
Adam Schaefer
With your knowledge and understanding to, to witness it, be a part of it, have fun with it, enjoy it. But for the average person who's just looking for that 80%, it's such a waste of their time to even think.
- [38:21]
Sal Destefano
About what can they hand over the thing turning sideways. They don't waste your time.
- [38:25]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. I mean, but if you're a pro.
- [38:26]
Sal Destefano
Bodybuilder six weeks out from competition, you're, you're at your peak. Like, he's got more muscle on his body than, than you know, most people ever have. Like, it makes sense. Yeah. And to see him perform the movement, it was, it was a good time. I did more volume than I typically will do in a workout. And thank God the timing worked out to be a back workout because that's the one body part that I could hang with a lot of people.
- [38:47]
Doug
Yeah, the whole workout was back.
- [38:48]
Sal Destefano
It was back and biceps. I mean I was like looking at his schedule because his daughter's going back to school. So when his daughter goes back to school, we would had to meet at 5:30 and like, no way. 6, 3 is as early as I work out. And thankfully it worked out to be a back day because if it was leg day, you guys, can you, I.
- [39:03]
Adam Schaefer
Would have to get you the order of exercise you guys did.
- [39:07]
Sal Destefano
Yeah.
- [39:07]
Adam Schaefer
What'd you start with? What'd you go with? The one arm. That's what you started with.
- [39:10]
Sal Destefano
We did the one arm pull down machine and what he does is he does like five exercises. The first, I want to say two, two sets, working sets. One heavy, one higher rep. So he's got the kind of the structure. Then we went to a lever row machine, kind of like the one Dorian Yates did the hammer strength one.
- [39:28]
Adam Schaefer
Interesting. Not a, not a barbell or a T, bar row or a big.
- [39:32]
Sal Destefano
Then we did chest supported dumbbell rows. We did a straight arm pull down. I'm trying to think of what else.
- [39:38]
Adam Schaefer
We did all isolation stuff.
- [39:40]
Sal Destefano
Yeah. Just in really good technique, really good form. Of course, he's six weeks out too. It's so dude, trip off this, right? This is the other thing bodybuilders are good at. I'm talking to him, he's pre contest, so I think he's six weeks out. And again, muscular guy, right. He's not huge. Right. He's a smaller guy, but he's got a lot of muscle on his body. And I'm like, so what are your calories at right now? 1800. 1800 calories right now. He goes, I don't know how many days in a row of zero carbs before he carb loads. Here's another thing bodybuilders do. And I know athletes are all good at this. Okay. So I'm gonna piss off Some athletes, but I don't know any athlete, generally speaking, that knows how to suffer like a bodybuilder. They suffer and they love the suffering. Like they are like depleted. He wakes up at 4am so he could do an hour of cardio before walking, right? 1800 calories, no carbs. I'm like, oh, and this is just 12 weeks of doing like three months of this.
- [40:38]
Adam Schaefer
Just, I mean, I attribute that to the number one trait that makes 90% of them successful. I mean, genetics is obviously in that factor too. The next one is their ability to suffer.
- [40:48]
Doug
Suffer.
- [40:49]
Adam Schaefer
Because I remember training with a lot.
- [40:51]
Sal Destefano
Of them and they eat bland garbage, like just, yeah, dry. He's like, tell me his breakfast, like a half a cup of dry oatmeal. He's like walking the throw every day, bro. They know that's my carb days. Oh my God, dude, the suffering.
- [41:03]
Adam Schaefer
I mean, you want to talk about getting the 80%, then getting the 90%, then get 99% and what you are.
- [41:09]
Sal Destefano
Talking about is just squeezing that one.
- [41:11]
Adam Schaefer
Point, point something percent. Because I'm telling. I mean, and this is not me comparing myself to Johnny or any of those guys because they've continued to do it much longer than me. He's been on the Olympia stage. I didn't make the Olympia stage. I never got that crazy, dude. And I got pretty far. Like, you could get really far. Really impressive. Still eating a lot of salt, still eating pretty good foods. Still not training crazy like that. I definitely did get up. So within the last four weeks or so, I would get up. For me it was like 6am and I would walk the first hour. But for me, that's early, right? So that's an additional hour early. And. And I definitely could keep my calories low. I definitely did low carb for like three days in a row and then I would refeed. But I never did. I never had to do zero. I never did. I never did preps longer than I never did 12, 16 week prep. So some of these preps they do, I did six to eight, six to eight weeks. I always kept myself within 4 to 5% of stave stage ready. So I only had to prep for like six, eight weeks. I think eight weeks was the longest I ever did a prep for. Like a true prep where I was dieting hard like that. And some of these guys, they, they suffer, in my opinion, way longer and harder than they need to. Now granted, I do believe he's trying to, you know, squeeze out a percentage that I was just willing to give up. You know, I was like, I'm just, I'm just trying to prove I could get up there, you know what I'm saying, and do my thing, like, openly. I'm not trying to get on Olympia stage.
- [42:35]
Doug
Shredded glutes.
- [42:40]
Sal Destefano
Weeks is what they're after. It's so wild. We had a good time, though. He's a great guy. He's so funny, too. I love John.
- [42:47]
Adam Schaefer
He's great.
- [42:48]
Sal Destefano
We were joking too, because I was telling him, because, you know, I have this men's group, this Christian group that meets together and he just recruits people left and right. And I always, I tease him. I'm like, bro, if you were this good at sales when you work for me, like, you know, and we were joking. He's like, oh, yeah. Adam used to tell me that.
- [43:02]
Adam Schaefer
Always tell.
- [43:03]
Sal Destefano
I told him, I asked him if they want to hire me. They said no. So I just walked away. He's like, Adam would make me watch Boiler Room. So he told me.
- [43:10]
Adam Schaefer
I did, dude, I tried. So I want. Because I liked him. So, I mean, I kept him on the staff because I liked him so much and so did the team.
- [43:17]
Sal Destefano
Everybody likes him.
- [43:18]
Adam Schaefer
He was such a good team guy and he, and he was very knowledgeable and this, that. But he was so focused on his training. I'm like, bro, if you just cared about your business a fraction of what you cared about your competing, you would be the top trainer. But he just never cared enough, you know what I'm saying? So. But great guy to be on the team.
- [43:32]
Sal Destefano
I'm going to take a left here. Something I did not know until we had the CEO of Paleo Valley on the show. And I gotta say this. So one thing we've talked about, they have these grass fed meat sticks that I don't. I didn't understand. Now I know because she explained it. I didn't understand how they kept them from being dry. And like, jerky is always dry and whatever, which is fine. I don't mind that, that much. But the meat sticks from Paleo Valley are not dry. It's like they're fresh. It's like someone made it so unique. They're. It's like somebody literally made it for you and then gave it to you. Not in a package. That's what it tastes like. It's like, it's juicy.
- [44:05]
Doug
Juicy.
- [44:05]
Sal Destefano
And I asked her, I'm like, how do you do that? They're fermented. Yeah, the meat is fermented. So the fermentation process breaks down the meat so that it stays juicy. And it's not dry and like, like, like most jerky.
- [44:19]
Doug
And so on issue is about how like it, you know, it costs them a lot of money to, to do that process. And that's why you don't see that everywhere.
- [44:26]
Adam Schaefer
That's. I was just gonna say this is what the reason why not everybody has it. Does it? It's more expensive and more time. And both of those cost companies way more money.
- [44:35]
Sal Destefano
Yeah.
- [44:35]
Adam Schaefer
If you can't turn out the product faster, time is money. And if it costs more to do it and you don't get that much ROI on it, most people, they just skip it. They're like, forget it. This is how we've always done it. But so I love when I hear stuff like that about some of these companies that we work with when they take that extra step to make a product significantly better than the. Than it's quality just speaks for itself.
- [44:56]
Sal Destefano
Super high quality ruined meat sticks. For me, there's a lot of good meat sticks out there, but none of them taste like that. It's like somebody made a sausage for you.
- [45:03]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [45:04]
Sal Destefano
And then just serves it to you. That's what it tastes like.
- [45:05]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. That was fascinating when she made a.
- [45:06]
Doug
Lot more sense when she said that.
- [45:08]
Sal Destefano
Totally, totally.
- [45:08]
Adam Schaefer
That was so good.
- [45:09]
Sal Destefano
Doug, I want you look something up for me. Look up the brain health benefits of nicotine. Now, the reason why I'm bringing this up is because my wife's mad at me because I use nicotine lozenges. So I just want to just make.
- [45:22]
Adam Schaefer
Benefits.
- [45:24]
Sal Destefano
Sell it a little bit more. That's not why. Although she teases me. Did I tell you this? My mom came over and so I'll use nicotine lozenges sometimes for the cognitive boosting effects or whatever. And yes, it's addictive. It's like it's addictive as caffeine, I would say. But my mom asked my wife, she's like, what are these? She's like, oh, that's Sal. Likes to use nicotine sometimes. She threw them all away. My mom did. In my house.
- [45:44]
Adam Schaefer
She probably thought you were like struggling with smoking or something. My son is smoking.
- [45:49]
Sal Destefano
By the way, this is a typical Italian mom. I'm a grown man with kids. Grown man. She comes to my house, she throws my stuff away. What are you doing, mom? Yeah. So read this to us, Doug.
- [46:00]
Justin Andrews
So, yeah, there's potential short term effects of nicotine on mental health. Cognitive enhancement.
- [46:08]
Sal Destefano
Yep.
- [46:08]
Justin Andrews
May temporarily improve attention, working memory, fine motor skills and episodic memory functions.
- [46:13]
Sal Destefano
Yeah. Mood regulation helps with that.
- [46:15]
Adam Schaefer
Did you Guys know, I find it less addicting than caffeine, in my opinion.
- [46:18]
Sal Destefano
So do I.
- [46:19]
Adam Schaefer
Wait, I.
- [46:20]
Sal Destefano
Sometimes I'll forget. I don't even care. Caffeine is when we.
- [46:23]
Adam Schaefer
When they're in here and you got one or what? I'll ask you throw me one, I'll have one. But then I'll go weeks. I forget we don't have it. It's like, so. I don't know. I feel like it's a different.
- [46:31]
Sal Destefano
That's what the data says. But for me, I can. I can go.
- [46:33]
Doug
Nice little pick me up.
- [46:34]
Sal Destefano
Yeah. But did you know that. That it has been studied as a treatment for Alzheimer's and Parkinson's, I believe. Doug, if you. You could look that up. It's really interesting.
- [46:44]
Adam Schaefer
Well, won't anything that has cognitive benefits help that?
- [46:46]
Sal Destefano
Not anything.
- [46:49]
Adam Schaefer
Oh, I thought almost anything that has reported cognitive benefits would also.
- [46:52]
Sal Destefano
Almost. Maybe. But I know that this is actually have been researched as a. There you go. See, some studies suggest potential protective effects. In other words, preventing. Potentially preventing things like Alzheimer's. I'm not promoting, by the way. We don't have a nicotine company. People like, are you trying to sell nicotine? But it is interesting that because it's been so closely connected to cigarettes, like.
- [47:15]
Adam Schaefer
The cigarette companies would be all over that as a promoter.
- [47:17]
Sal Destefano
Well, they can't, because cigarettes are not good for you.
- [47:19]
Doug
Yeah.
- [47:19]
Sal Destefano
By the way, vaping nicotine is bad for you, too. Terrible. You get popcorn lung from inhaling all those solvents.
- [47:25]
Adam Schaefer
Is that on the rise still or is that coming down?
- [47:26]
Doug
Yeah, the solvents, that was.
- [47:29]
Adam Schaefer
Remember, that was like, skyrocketing.
- [47:30]
Sal Destefano
I have a family friend that just passed away. I didn't know him very well, but I knew him when I was younger. He was in his 40s. Popcorn lung from using. Using vapes. Wow. Using vapes.
- [47:41]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, I found those. I. I found those. Very addictive. I played around with it for a minute, and that was quickly what made me get rid of, like, whoa. This thing, like, scaled the.
- [47:49]
Sal Destefano
The vape ones. Yes.
- [47:50]
Adam Schaefer
So. So you talk about the difference between.
- [47:52]
Sal Destefano
Like, it's such a fast hit, right?
- [47:53]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. The. The mint nicotine things that, like the. The lozenges or whatever. Totally not a big deal.
- [48:00]
Sal Destefano
The.
- [48:00]
Adam Schaefer
The, like the jewel vapes. Totally different.
- [48:03]
Sal Destefano
Wow.
- [48:03]
Adam Schaefer
And I don't know if that's because there's something to do with like, the mouth and the like, because I know that. That they're supposed to be addictive behavior. Like part of the addictive behavior. Smoking is actually the behavior of it Right. Or the actual action of doing it. So I wonder if there's something to do with that as the.
- [48:17]
Sal Destefano
If I'm not mistaken, inhaling a substance is the fastest way to absorb it. So any drug in inhaling, any drug that can be inhaled. Faster than boofing, huh? Yeah, dude. More than boofing. If people don't know what that is, go ahead and Google that.
- [48:32]
Adam Schaefer
Make Doug do it.
- [48:35]
Sal Destefano
There's some boofing. Doug.
- [48:36]
Doug
Captain Boofy.
- [48:36]
Sal Destefano
Doug's a big boofer. Yeah.
- [48:38]
Justin Andrews
I'm assuming you're talking suppositories.
- [48:40]
Sal Destefano
Yeah. How'd you know, Doug?
- [48:41]
Justin Andrews
I'm just guessing.
- [48:44]
Adam Schaefer
Educated.
- [48:44]
Sal Destefano
Yes. Sure. Anyway, how many of you guys are using the. The Jolie changed my life. Okay, so I changed my life. Okay, I want to hear this. I would. I was hoping you would say that because you're the guy with psoriasis.
- [48:57]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, well, it's okay. It's just full disclosure, though. There's. There's more than just the typical reason why I say it changed my life. So if Everything that we did to the house, right? So we got the house last year, and I didn't move into it for, what, almost eight months or something like that.
- [49:14]
Sal Destefano
And we.
- [49:14]
Adam Schaefer
We remodeled, like, pretty much everything, and. And so to, like, our spec. Katrina and I, like, we're really thoughtful of, like, this is all. This is all the things that we want. We got it the way we want. Just. And the one thing that I was, like, kind of unhappy with was our bathroom, and they had just kind of remodeled it. And so I just didn't feel. I was like, do I really want to destroy this whole thing just because it doesn't have a bathtub? And, you know, I'm a bathtub guy. And I. And the. The shower. So they had. In California, we have, like, this, you know, weird restriction valve thing or whatever for water pressure. Yes.
- [49:50]
Sal Destefano
So stupid.
- [49:50]
Adam Schaefer
So I had a shower head. No exaggeration. That was, like a drip, you know? So I have this beautiful house that I just designed all nice for myself.
- [49:58]
Sal Destefano
And then.
- [49:59]
Adam Schaefer
And I thought. And in my. Logically, I told myself, it's not a big deal. But then I realized, like, I shower twice a day, every day, and when I'm in first thing in the morning, I'm not. I'm kind of a bear, like Justin, you know, and, like, getting in and taking a shower where half my body's cold still with hot water on me, I was like, this is gonna be a problem.
- [50:16]
Sal Destefano
It's like, your shower has prostate alert.
- [50:17]
Adam Schaefer
So I was ready To. I was. I was already. We were like a month or two months. Months in. I was ready to blow the whole bathroom up. I was like. I was fed up. I took a train. I was like, eff it. Or I'm. I can't take this anymore. I was so angry. And she's like, well, let's put the. Let's have my brother take a look at it and see if he can change something on the valves. And we'll put the new Jolie head on it and stuff like that. Oh, put it on, like, night and day difference. And then, of course, it filters the water. It filters. That's why. See, I know. That's. That's why I said the. The full disclosure.
- [50:44]
Doug
You don't notice until you actually do it.
- [50:46]
Adam Schaefer
It's crazy. Part of it was that I relieved the pressure, so then I got all this extra pressure, and then my skin felt amazing because of the. The whatchamacallit, the filter inside of it.
- [50:56]
Sal Destefano
Doug, you like it too? I do. What are you getting from it?
- [50:59]
Justin Andrews
Well, I mean, if you have chlorinated water, which most people do, that chlorine stays on your skin after you take a shower and it gets itchy, right? And this basically removes that.
- [51:10]
Adam Schaefer
It feels like almost like there's, like a conditioner in it. Like, so it feels like you're slick. Yeah, yeah. Similar to, like, if you ever felt.
- [51:17]
Sal Destefano
Sign in yet.
- [51:18]
Adam Schaefer
It's. Oh, and the. The shower head's dope.
- [51:20]
Justin Andrews
And by the way, it takes five minutes to do it.
- [51:23]
Adam Schaefer
Does it give you the wrench? They give you everything so bad that.
- [51:26]
Sal Destefano
I took even this long.
- [51:27]
Adam Schaefer
I've really.
- [51:27]
Sal Destefano
I'm like, it was.
- [51:28]
Adam Schaefer
I watched it.
- [51:29]
Sal Destefano
I watched. I paid my brother.
- [51:30]
Adam Schaefer
Okay, I'll probably take you 10 minutes. I paid my brother to do it, and I realized, like, what did I just pay for? Right there. That was really stupid right there. I thought it was gonna be way more of a project than what it was.
- [51:38]
Sal Destefano
I've already hung up two painting this year. I'm good. Good. I'm good.
- [51:44]
Doug
I need to get one for my son, though, because he. Especially chlorine or anything like that, like, coming out of pools, like, his skin is so sensitive.
- [51:51]
Sal Destefano
Which one? Oh, mine too. Everett. Oh, really?
- [51:53]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [51:54]
Doug
And just. I mean, anything really skin related, like, he reacts and you see it like, we're.
- [51:59]
Adam Schaefer
We're literally. Right now. My Katrina was texting me while we were on air. We just got our pool converted. So because of that. So we just converted our pool to salt water.
- [52:08]
Sal Destefano
Oh, nice.
- [52:09]
Adam Schaefer
So, yeah, I'M waiting for that to happen because that was the last piece for me because it's great. I have the house now. Good for the shower and stuff, but I still get in a pool and. And my pool guy was really good. He was doing this conditioner. So it wasn't as bad as your typical corner, but it still was. And we're in there so much. It was drying out my psoriasis.
- [52:26]
Sal Destefano
You guys use it all up and through the summer, you guys are using.
- [52:27]
Adam Schaefer
It daily, Daily, daily. I'm in that pool right now.
- [52:30]
Sal Destefano
So I got, I got. So I'm gonna ask you guys, what's. You guys, do you guys know what your blood types are?
- [52:34]
Justin Andrews
I think I'm O positive.
- [52:36]
Sal Destefano
You're O. And what about you? Do you know, Justin?
- [52:38]
Doug
I don't know if I know.
- [52:39]
Sal Destefano
Yeah. Ab, I think. Yeah. You should be giving blood, Doug. Oh, okay.
- [52:44]
Justin Andrews
It's not careful what I say.
- [52:45]
Sal Destefano
Here we have universal. I know you normally, normally drink the blood. This, this will never die. Yeah, right. That's why you look so. Yeah, no, no, it's. You need. So I. I just gave blood recently. Doug, look up the benefits of donating blood for men got health benefits. So I'm trying to convince you guys. First off, people need.
- [53:08]
Adam Schaefer
I dread it.
- [53:09]
Sal Destefano
Every time people need blood, they need it. And so this is like one of the best things you could do. And it's good for your health. If you're a man and you give blood, pull up the benefits.
- [53:17]
Adam Schaefer
They say once a year. Is that where the benefits are?
- [53:19]
Sal Destefano
I believe so.
- [53:20]
Adam Schaefer
I think it's once a year. I believe the same thing.
- [53:22]
Sal Destefano
Yeah. Yeah. Let me see. Look up the benefits for. Yeah. Cardiovascular health. This is for men. It balances out your iron levels. So men can build up. Up high levels of iron because we don't lose blood like women do. So it balances that out and it reduces. It improves cardiovascular health. Just to give blood, you lose like.
- [53:42]
Doug
The EPO benefits of having like extra amounts of blood cells.
- [53:46]
Sal Destefano
Well, no. It reduces risk of cancer. Look at that. Doug, read that for me.
- [53:50]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, I see that. Emotional well being stimulates blood cell production.
- [53:55]
Adam Schaefer
I'm super attached to my blood.
- [53:57]
Sal Destefano
It actually gets this.
- [53:58]
Justin Andrews
It burns. Burns calories. 600 to 640 calories per donation. Of course, you're losing part of your body.
- [54:05]
Sal Destefano
It burns calories.
- [54:06]
Adam Schaefer
According to this.
- [54:07]
Doug
Yeah.
- [54:08]
Sal Destefano
Doug just closed everybody right now. Yeah.
- [54:09]
Justin Andrews
The body has to replace the donated blood cells.
- [54:11]
Sal Destefano
Yeah.
- [54:11]
Justin Andrews
So it takes about six.
- [54:12]
Sal Destefano
For men in particular, it's healthy. But if you're type O. You should, because I have universal like.
- [54:17]
Adam Schaefer
You, because that's what type O means. Anybody can use it, right?
- [54:20]
Sal Destefano
Anybody can have it. So they're calling me constantly. They're like, get in here. We'll let you in early, give blood or whatever.
- [54:26]
Adam Schaefer
Even with all the big blood bags.
- [54:31]
Sal Destefano
It. Dude, he's the Kool Aid guy. Get him in. It's fortified.
- [54:34]
Adam Schaefer
That's why. Justin, I can't go. They're like, oh, yeah, no, you're good. We don't need yours.
- [54:38]
Sal Destefano
When they. You know what, though? When I went in there, critters in his. I went in there that morning. So I told you guys this off air, but so I'm recording the. The series that I'm doing, right? Every night. I've done three of them. Now, the night before, each time I'm filming the series, I get terrible sleep, have nightmares. I don't know what it is. So anyway, I go in. So this was the day of filming. So Dylan and I filmed that morning. And because I had such bad sleep, I took extra. Extra pre workout, right. Extra stimulants. So I did that workout. Sleep deprived. We filmed. It was awesome. Then three or four hours later, I was supposed to give blood. So I go in there and they check my blood pressure before, and I'm already like, oh, no. Am I gonna have high blood pressure because of that stim? Yeah, you know, and that was good. I'm like, okay, cool. But my heart rate was high. So the nurse looks at me, she's like, like, we're gonna have to wait five minutes and test you again. I'm like. I looked at her. I'm like, I had a lot of caffeine today. Come test me in five minutes. I, like, tried to meditate or whatever, and it was all good. But you brought it down, huh? I brought it down enough to be able to give blood.
- [55:36]
Doug
The white coat syndrome?
- [55:37]
Sal Destefano
Yeah. No, I'm not nervous of that. I was just all the.
- [55:39]
Doug
I used to get that.
- [55:40]
Sal Destefano
Did you really?
- [55:41]
Doug
Yeah, My blood pressure would go up, but yeah, I had all kinds of stuff blood pressure related. I had to get through with that whole, like, tumor and all that kind of stuff.
- [55:48]
Sal Destefano
Like how you just say that a.
- [55:51]
Doug
Little tumor had a good.
- [55:52]
Sal Destefano
It was non. It was not.
- [55:53]
Doug
Not a big deal.
- [55:54]
Sal Destefano
It.
- [55:55]
Adam Schaefer
The. The one that I gave you.
- [55:56]
Doug
Yeah, the one that Adam forced me. The company.
- [56:00]
Adam Schaefer
Dude, you got a trophy.
- [56:01]
Doug
I also got a tumor, but yeah. Oh, did I tell you guys about, like, again, my. My dog got sprayed by a skunk.
- [56:08]
Sal Destefano
You told me you.
- [56:09]
Adam Schaefer
I Saw the text.
- [56:10]
Sal Destefano
So.
- [56:11]
Doug
So again, it was. So what did he do?
- [56:14]
Sal Destefano
Just walk in the house and then just. That's it.
- [56:16]
Doug
You know, he starts sneezing a lot and came to the front door and. And I didn't smoke out right away. Right when he came through, he went towards the couch to try and, like, rub himself on it.
- [56:27]
Adam Schaefer
I'm like, no.
- [56:28]
Doug
So at least this time we caught it, like, quick. Threw him outside and then immediately put stuff in the wash. But Courtney created this concoction that beforehand, when this happened, it was like, there's a good way to neutralize it. That. That really did work. And it totally.
- [56:46]
Sal Destefano
I thought tomato juice was supposed to. No, doesn't work. Work.
- [56:48]
Doug
Yeah, it doesn't work at all.
- [56:50]
Adam Schaefer
It's like. We tried that.
- [56:51]
Sal Destefano
Yeah.
- [56:51]
Doug
No, that didn't work at all.
- [56:52]
Adam Schaefer
So I bought 400 cans.
- [56:56]
Sal Destefano
That was a conspiracy theory sent by Italians. Oh, yeah. This will help you.
- [57:01]
Doug
Yeah, I'm trying to find the.
- [57:03]
Adam Schaefer
What was the base?
- [57:04]
Doug
The recipe of it.
- [57:05]
Adam Schaefer
You know what the base was, like, the main. The main ingredient or whatever.
- [57:08]
Doug
I think it was baking soda.
- [57:11]
Sal Destefano
Oh, and then there's a little bit.
- [57:12]
Doug
Of, like, dial soap, or not dial. What's that one? The dish soap, Dawn. Thank you.
- [57:19]
Sal Destefano
The one they always show with the birds with the oil.
- [57:20]
Adam Schaefer
Don is used for a lot of, like, little hacks like that.
- [57:23]
Sal Destefano
It's just.
- [57:23]
Doug
Oh, that's okay.
- [57:24]
Adam Schaefer
So if I look up Don special and Don.
- [57:26]
Sal Destefano
I don't think so.
- [57:27]
Adam Schaefer
I think so.
- [57:28]
Sal Destefano
I don't think there's something special about. Don't sell it. Smart marketing. I think what they did was with the oil spills.
- [57:34]
Justin Andrews
This one with hydrogen peroxide. Baking soda. Dish soap, like Dawn.
- [57:38]
Adam Schaefer
Oh, yeah.
- [57:39]
Doug
Here's half a cup of baking soda, one quart of hydrogen peroxide, and a couple squirts of Dawn. But yeah, it. I just wanted to throw that out there in case anybody else had, like, a problem with a skunk. And so the other thing I learned about it, though, which is it's unfortunate. We have skunks and we got this, like, crazy ecosystem at my property. There's, like, all kinds of different animals coming through because we got fruit and all this other stuff, but we have a lot of wasps right now. There's at least, like, five to six.
- [58:08]
Sal Destefano
All over the place.
- [58:08]
Doug
Right, right. But what I didn't know was skunks, actually, they go in and they eat through the wasp nests.
- [58:16]
Sal Destefano
And so you need to keep the skunks. Get rid of the wasps.
- [58:18]
Doug
Yeah. Apparently the. They get stung. It doesn't Even really affect them that much.
- [58:22]
Adam Schaefer
Oh, interesting.
- [58:23]
Doug
And so at night, they go in and they dig them out.
- [58:25]
Adam Schaefer
You research that? How'd you find that out?
- [58:27]
Doug
Yeah, because we saw one of the wasp nests, and it was, like, dug out. And I was like, what? And then Courtney told me that she had looked it up and. Interesting skunks. So I was like, dude, skunks.
- [58:37]
Adam Schaefer
My wife sees one insect, and I feel so bad for our exterminator guy. He's, like, in my house, she calls him. Oh, yeah. One spider, one bug, one wasp, One like that. And she's on the phone, dude. She paid for, like, whatever. There's, like, this upgraded service where they're like, they'll come out unlimited time. So we pay a monthly fee. That's like, unlimited amount. And let me tell you, she gets her money's worth.
- [58:58]
Sal Destefano
Because I feel.
- [58:59]
Adam Schaefer
And I feel so bad. I'm like, bro, like, I know my spider.
- [59:02]
Sal Destefano
Yeah, she does.
- [59:03]
Adam Schaefer
She sees a spider.
- [59:05]
Sal Destefano
Give your son a bug vacuum so he can collect them and then do things with them.
- [59:09]
Adam Schaefer
He's not. He's. He's. Because his mother.
- [59:12]
Sal Destefano
Oh, no.
- [59:12]
Adam Schaefer
So what do you think? He's like. Yeah, I'm like, always, like, I'm always calming him down. Like, when she. He sees a bee now, he's like, oh, be a bee. Like, son, you're okay. He's fine. Don't worry about it. He's fine. But because he sees his mom get all freaked out about it, I was like, now he's that way. So he's not a. But he's not a bug kid.
- [59:28]
Sal Destefano
Oh, no. We have bug vacuums. Because my son.
- [59:30]
Adam Schaefer
No, I seen you. I've seen the spiders and stuff that your kid. Kids, my son would freak out.
- [59:34]
Sal Destefano
Really?
- [59:34]
Adam Schaefer
Oh, yes. Yeah, definitely.
- [59:36]
Sal Destefano
Yeah.
- [59:37]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. He's not a. He's not a bug person at all.
- [59:39]
Sal Destefano
Yeah. We feed him to the carnivorous plants we have. We have a Venus fly trap. We have a pitcher plant, and then we have a. We just bought a. What's it called? Sundew. So he'll catch the bugs in his vacuum.
- [59:50]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [59:50]
Sal Destefano
And he'll wait for me to come home, then I'll come home, and we'll get. Grab it with the tweezers, and then we'll put it in the Venus fly trap or, you know, in the sundew and let it. It is rad.
- [60:00]
Doug
It's amazing.
- [60:01]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. It's so cool. Max waits till I get home and we build Legos.
- [60:04]
Sal Destefano
That's what we're not catching. Didn't Justin Weren't you one that said that you put a bee on a leash? Yeah, one time. Yeah. You hear about this?
- [60:13]
Doug
So dry ice.
- [60:15]
Adam Schaefer
We used to do that with lizards.
- [60:16]
Sal Destefano
No, no. A, b, bro, listen to this.
- [60:18]
Doug
Yeah, yeah. So we got a bee and we kind of.
- [60:21]
Sal Destefano
We.
- [60:21]
Doug
We put it like. So I took this glass and I put it on top of it, and then we were able to transport it into the freezer.
- [60:27]
Sal Destefano
Yeah, because they fall asleep, right?
- [60:28]
Doug
They fall asleep. And then we actually found some dry ice and it, like, froze it completely. And then I tied a.
- [60:36]
Adam Schaefer
Thread.
- [60:37]
Sal Destefano
Dental floss.
- [60:37]
Doug
Dental floss. Thank you.
- [60:38]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, yeah.
- [60:39]
Doug
Around its little thorax, whatever you call it.
- [60:42]
Sal Destefano
And.
- [60:43]
Doug
And then it kind of came to. It dried out on the deck. It was like you're holding a balloon.
- [60:51]
Sal Destefano
But it's moving and it's.
- [60:52]
Adam Schaefer
What, did you do this when you were a kid? I was a kid, yeah.
- [60:56]
Doug
And like, I was there with my best friend.
- [60:58]
Adam Schaefer
I kind of want to try it.
- [60:59]
Sal Destefano
I'm not going to lie. So you don't have to.
- [61:00]
Doug
We were dying laughing.
- [61:01]
Adam Schaefer
You to don't have.
- [61:02]
Sal Destefano
Have to dry ice it. If you put them in a freezer.
- [61:03]
Doug
Yeah, just a freezer would work.
- [61:05]
Sal Destefano
With the bug vacuum we'll put in the freezer. They hibernate and then we'll feed it to the plant and then it wakes up in the plant instead or whatever.
- [61:10]
Adam Schaefer
But talk about torturing animals. Yeah.
- [61:14]
Sal Destefano
This is what the idea doctors should be talking about, you know?
- [61:17]
Adam Schaefer
You know, you imagine being that animal. All of a sudden, you wake up.
- [61:19]
Doug
And you're like, vegans don't care about insects. That's the hilarious.
- [61:23]
Sal Destefano
They're not cute. Yeah, some vegans. Some vegans won't even eat honey.
- [61:26]
Doug
Well, that's respectable at least.
- [61:29]
Adam Schaefer
If you're gonna go.
- [61:30]
Doug
Go all in.
- [61:30]
Adam Schaefer
You can't.
- [61:31]
Doug
Yeah, no.
- [61:33]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, I don't feel like it's fair. You discriminate with mice and squirrels and all these other animals.
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Sal Destefano
Well, see, people don't like mice or rats, but they like squirrels. It's almost the same animals.
- [61:43]
Doug
And they infect. They're the same as rats in a lot of places. They'll come in and destroy your house. Squirrels are just way screw squirrels.
- [61:50]
Sal Destefano
They're really cute, though.
- [61:51]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, I won't until they destroy your property.
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- [62:23]
Justin Andrews
First question is from Kayla Sirjord. Tips on how to optimize strength. Lean body mass for weight class athletes who don't have the ability to do a traditional bulk and have to be conscious of scale weight.
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Sal Destefano
This is a good question when you're an athlete in a weight class type competition. Wrestlers would be a good example, right? There's always this worry of like, okay, if I build muscle or gain weight, then I'm going to go up in a weight class and have to compete with people who are also bigger. Here's what I'll say to this. Because I've trained high school wrestlers before. Don't worry about your weight class.
- [63:01]
Doug
Allow the weight strong where you're at.
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Sal Destefano
The weight class cuts that you see the pros do. Leave that for them. When you're in high school and maybe even college, sometimes college gets away with this. Trying to limit yourself to your weight class, in my strong opinion, actually reduces performance. You're better off feeding yourself, allowing you to be strong and compete against bigger people than you are. Restricting yourself, trying to stay light and then go into competition feeling weak and depleted.
- [63:27]
Adam Schaefer
Another way to look at this or another strategy to this is to you hover around a maintenance with a slight surplus. Like a very like you're really trying to target maintenance with. When within reality. What's happening to the body? There's this myth that we're like in this, we're always in this perpetual cut or perpetual bulk. It's like when you're hovering around maintenance, what's happening is you're never at like, no, there's no way you are perfectly eating the perfect amount of calories. That's exactly at, you know, your, your maintenance calories all the time. What's happening is there's this ebb and natural ebb and flow where sometimes you're in a little bit of a. Sometimes you're in a little bit of deficit. Maybe over the course of 30 days it evens out to be kind of like a maintenance. But you're actually in a little bit of a bulk, in a little bit of a cut. And if you live at that kind of maintenance, so eating what your body needs to build muscle and just survive and be good, you'll kind of naturally lean out and build muscle in a nice even way.
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Sal Destefano
Now there's also this, too. There's a myth that the leaner you are with the more muscle you are, the better of an athlete you're going to be. The truth is, generally speaking, because there's always, okay, people are gonna look at pro athletes.
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Doug
Ruin your gas tank.
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Sal Destefano
Yeah. People are gonna look at pro athletes or the highest level, be like, oh, my God, they're shredded, and whatever. Generally speaking, the athletic body fat percentage for men is around 14 to 16%. And so shredding down to 8% to get into a leaner, lighter weight class is actually going to reduce your mental. Yep. Most athletes perform best in this, like, relatively lean body fat percentage, but not shredded. For women, it's. It's typically between 18 to, like, 25 for athletic performance, maybe a little lower, maybe.
- [65:05]
Adam Schaefer
This is why I think the strategy of, like, kind of hovering on your maintenance will kind of get your body to land where it's best. Because. And why this is difficult is when we compare ourselves to other athletes, because to your point, that's generally speaking we're talking about. But there are some examples of guys that perform at high levels at 9 or 10%.
- [65:22]
Sal Destefano
Right.
- [65:22]
Adam Schaefer
They're anomalies, but they're there. But then there's others that are at the higher percent. And so really, it's where your body feels most comfortable and lands there.
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Sal Destefano
Point.
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Doug
Yeah. And I think, too, a lot of times it's the coaches pushing these athletes into those categories. Yeah. They want them to win because they know they'll dominate at a lower, you know, body weight, or they just need.
- [65:40]
Sal Destefano
Someone to compete in the weight. Or they need somebody there.
- [65:42]
Doug
They just shoo them in there.
- [65:43]
Sal Destefano
Yeah.
- [65:44]
Doug
So that's. And if it's a parent, you got.
- [65:46]
Sal Destefano
To look out for that. I trained a high school wrestler who was. I think he was a junior whose coach made him cut so much. I mean, the kid passed out.
- [65:55]
Adam Schaefer
Is it. Isn't Kayla the fighter? She's. She's the MMA fighter. Yeah, I'm pretty sure she's the mma. Right. We've sent her. We've sent her stuff before.
- [66:04]
Sal Destefano
Yeah, I think. And when you're at that level, Kayla, when you're at your level, what you want to do is maximize technique, skill, and performance and stay in that kind of maintenance. Yeah.
- [66:15]
Adam Schaefer
You know, that's why I think that's.
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Sal Destefano
The best advice, because very few people can do this. There are some fighters that'll cut 15 pounds of sweat to make a weight class or 20 pounds, and then they can compete the next day. But not most people can't do that. And definitely women. Women have a tougher time with that. Right?
- [66:30]
Justin Andrews
Next question is from Chloe Lifts. How do you know if you have good muscle building genetics as a woman?
- [66:36]
Sal Destefano
You know, out of curiosity, Doug, if. Can you pull up whoever this is, their. Their profile? Because I'll.
- [66:41]
Adam Schaefer
She's probably got it. She probably has them.
- [66:43]
Sal Destefano
I. You know what? That's a good bet. I know. I bet you.
- [66:45]
Adam Schaefer
I feel like people that.
- [66:46]
Sal Destefano
That, that.
- [66:47]
Adam Schaefer
That have good genetics ask that.
- [66:48]
Sal Destefano
Like. Yeah. You're 100, right? Yeah. Yeah. All right. Muscle building genetics. Is Adam on point?
- [66:55]
Adam Schaefer
Yes.
- [66:56]
Sal Destefano
Let me see. Pull it up. Let me see. Let me see. Let me see what she looks like. Let me see. Oh, yeah. Oh, yes. Scroll down.
- [67:04]
Adam Schaefer
Yes.
- [67:05]
Sal Destefano
Scroll down more. Yes. Yeah, dude.
- [67:07]
Adam Schaefer
Great.
- [67:08]
Sal Destefano
Oh, my God. Look at her back. Yes, dude. Yeah. Okay. You have good.
- [67:11]
Adam Schaefer
You guys, great genetics.
- [67:13]
Sal Destefano
Yeah. So muscle building genetics kind of fall in this category. Do you build muscle easily? How do you know? Well, you're typically stronger and more muscular than everyone around you, and when you work out, you just build.
- [67:26]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [67:26]
Sal Destefano
Number two, do you have long muscle bellies? Do you do your muscle insertions? Are they long? Is your bicep short or is it long? Are your calves long or are they short, long muscle bellies? When you develop muscles that have long bellies, they just look bigger and rounder. And then there's. Do you have good muscle building genetics for bodybuilding versus for sports? They're very different.
- [67:48]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [67:48]
Sal Destefano
Bodybuilding, muscle. Bodybuilding genetics are. Or muscle building genetics are like wide shoulders, small waist, you know, narrow hips. For sports, you don't want to have a tiny waist. You need to have a thicker, you know, just bone structure to be able to take, you know, getting.
- [68:04]
Adam Schaefer
I mean, I feel like a good example of comparing the people you guys know from us is like comparing me and Chris Craig. Like, Craig is built way better for sports, although he did bodybuilding and men's physique with me, but I have more of a men's physique physique than he does. And I definitely square. I don't have a great athletic body. I don't have the good hips for a lot of sports. And so. But yeah, she definitely has great most. So why. This is what's interesting or what I think is most important about this conversation for the average person is I. I'd love to hear your opinion, but this. My opinion around this is when I have a client. Client who has good muscle building genetics, they typically have a harder time getting really lean. Right. They build muscle really easy, but then they Have a hard time losing body fat. And so I like to lean into their strength. It's like you build muscle really well. Let's really build some muscle that's only going to speed the metabolism up, making the fat loss thing easier versus like grinding and eating so low of calorie and just fighting for every inch of body fat percentage down. I lean into the strength and the. The reverse is true. I think that you have some people that like feel like they have terrible, but those people lean out really good. So it's like I like to inform the client on whether they are these people or not. And then it's not. There's an advantage to both is what I'm trying to get at. And leaning into your strength, find your strength.
- [69:17]
Sal Destefano
But at the end of the day it doesn't matter because what you have is what you have and you can improve upon what you have.
- [69:22]
Doug
You can improve and optimize.
- [69:23]
Sal Destefano
That's right. Because when I say good versus bad, it's comparison. And comparing yourself to other people on this pursuit is a path towards sadness. It's not going to help you do whatever you have, you have work with it and do your best. That's it.
- [69:39]
Justin Andrews
Next question is from Ernie Meyer. How do you still have fun with a healthy lifestyle? No junk food, can't sleep in or stay up late. No alcohol, no screens. What's there to look forward to?
- [69:49]
Doug
Lame.
- [69:50]
Adam Schaefer
I do all those things well, I had Chinese food yesterday. I slept in on Saturday. I had some alcohol last weekend, watched some Netflix with my wife. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know. I don't know.
- [70:01]
Sal Destefano
You know what's interesting about the this. So there's a couple, couple sides to this. Number one, there's this, this myth that, that, that there's freedom in doing whatever you want when it comes to healthy lifestyle. So I'm free and you're restricted. You're restricted because you only, you only you're focused on eating healthy and you have to go to the gym three or four days a week. I'm free because I don't do any of that and I eat whatever I want. But it's a myth because you're not really free. You're not free from disease, you're free. You're not free from pain, you're not free from mobility issues. You actually are chained down by your perception of what is free. The truth is a balanced, healthy lifestyle because I'll talk about the fanaticism that can go right.
- [70:43]
Adam Schaefer
There's both extremes.
- [70:43]
Sal Destefano
The balanced Healthy lifestyle is far more free and has far more to look forward to. A healthy version of you has a better quality of life. Period. End of story.
- [70:53]
Adam Schaefer
Listen, nobody became an alcoholic from one drink. Nobody became obese from one night of Chinese food. Nobody became a addicted to tech by watching your Netflix series once. Like, there's a. There's a way to enjoy all of these things and still have balance. Where it gets out of hand is when it becomes a habit.
- [71:13]
Sal Destefano
When it becomes everything.
- [71:14]
Adam Schaefer
Yes. And you become addicted to all of those things that you just said, like I don't. I won't eat Chinese food every single night or else that will lead to that.
- [71:23]
Sal Destefano
That.
- [71:23]
Adam Schaefer
But you, you can absolutely get to a place where you have a very healthy balance and be able to incorporate.
- [71:30]
Sal Destefano
These things on either ends of the extreme spectrum.
- [71:33]
Doug
You gotta stop following zealots. Yeah, it's totally like that's what he's.
- [71:36]
Sal Destefano
Doing on either end of the. Of the spectrum. Extreme fitness fanaticism or not doing any of it. You. You have bondage, the balance. It looks like this A majority of the time you prioritize your health. A majority of the time you're consistent with your workouts. A majority of the time you get good sleep. And that allows you to be free. It allows you to enjoy yourself. You're not bound by disease and immobility. You feel good, you have good energy. That's where the sweet spot is. It's the two extremes that are the myths, the shredded. They must really enjoy their life. No, they don't. They're fanatics about it. That becomes everything for them. And then the other end, where they do nothing. Now they're bound by all the disease and the decrease in quality of life.
- [72:21]
Adam Schaefer
That's the. I think the other point to be made about this is there's a lot of people that will look at these very small percentage of people that have ridiculous crazy physiques that they promote on online. And then what it takes to get to that, you go, oh my God, I don't want that lifestyle. And it's like, well, of course you.
- [72:36]
Sal Destefano
But of course you don't.
- [72:37]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. And it's actually not even a healthy place to live. And so I would stop comparing or looking at that as an example. And can you can absolutely be healthy, fit, strong, mobile and incorporate those things within your lifestyle. It just doesn't become all of your lifestyle, it becomes a part of it. And honestly, I find it more enjoyable when it's that way. You know, great Chinese food was. I was like, I'd had that in months.
- [72:59]
Sal Destefano
It was like every day, though.
- [73:01]
Adam Schaefer
Oh, my God. And you. I would feel terrible. And I would. It would. And it would. It would. So when you. When you actually live that, when you have the discipline that you're talking about, where you make healthy choices, is 90% of the time when you enjoy these things, 10, they're way more fun to enjoy and they don't set you back. So.
- [73:17]
Sal Destefano
By the way, Chinese food isn't. Isn't unhealthy. It was Chinese takeout that you had. Yes, that's why. That's clear.
- [73:22]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure that's. I'm pretty sure you got that.
- [73:25]
Sal Destefano
I'm sure people understand. Like, what do you mean? Chinese foods? No, no. He got takeout. Yeah.
- [73:30]
Justin Andrews
Next question is from Burke himself. Does getting a pump equate to muscle growth?
- [73:35]
Sal Destefano
No.
- [73:35]
Adam Schaefer
Somewhat.
- [73:36]
Sal Destefano
Not. Yeah, not. Not. It's not a pure equate. Right. It doesn't equate to muscle sarcoplasmic hypertrophy. But ye. Look, if you get a pump in the gym, you're probably hydrated, well rested, the workout is appropriate, and the pump itself may actually signal muscle growth.
- [73:51]
Doug
So stimulant.
- [73:52]
Sal Destefano
It's not a bad signal. In fact, I know when I get poor sleep or when I'm not well hydrated or I'm overtrained, I stop getting pumps in the gym. And that's how I know, like, this isn't working. The pump itself, though, isn't the be all end all. Because you could do low rep strength training. Power lifters don't get a pump and they build lots of muscle. You know, you could train in rep ranges that don't produce a pump and build and get a great physique. But I like the signal of a pump. It's also psychologically, you know, rewarding for a lot of people. I mean, I know it is for me. I know a lot of people that go to the gym and love getting a pump because whatever they're working on now looks like it suddenly becomes more developed and it gives you that psychological encouragement.
- [74:31]
Adam Schaefer
We're. We're. I don't want to say this gets dangerous or where this tends to lose its benefits is when you get stuck in chasing the pummel. I spent years of my lift career like this because the pump felt so good. It looked so good momentarily. And so all of my training looked like chasing the pump. And because of that, it all looked very similar. Low rest periods, super sets, like just airing up and getting all the. But then when I deflate And I didn't look like over a period of years, I didn't look like I really gained or built that much muscle. That's because I wasn't cycling through strength periods where I was lifting three to five reps and resting for three minutes. Like, like I was constantly moving and chasing the pump. And then I wasn't continuing to build muscle. But in a short period of time, if you've never trained that way and you train that way, there's huge benefits.
- [75:20]
Sal Destefano
You know what's interesting about the pump? Athletes hate it. Well, yeah, that's the last thing you want.
- [75:24]
Adam Schaefer
Counterproductive.
- [75:25]
Sal Destefano
The last thing you want on the football field is pumped quads. No. Yeah. Or I remember trying to benefit.
- [75:31]
Adam Schaefer
No, I remember BMX ricer.
- [75:32]
Sal Destefano
Oh, I had a BMX racer. He literally told me. He, I said, what's your goal? He's all fit. He goes, I just don't want my forearms to get pumped while I'm racing. And I remember being like perplexed.
- [75:41]
Doug
You lose your grip.
- [75:42]
Sal Destefano
How do I, oh, like what do I do? Right? It's like, how do I.
- [75:45]
Adam Schaefer
You're like, I've been chasing after that my whole life. How do I help you not do it?
- [75:48]
Sal Destefano
Or judo and jiu jitsu, when I used to do that? Like your, your forearms get pumped, you're done, your grip is done, you're gonna get your ass kicked. So the pump is. It's a very interesting thing. A lot of it's psychological, so it's great to get, but it doesn't necessarily mean you're building muscle. Look, if you like the podcast, come find us on Instagram mindpump Media. We'll see you there.
- [76:06]
Justin Andrews
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Sal Destefano
Com.
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