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2683: Weird workout hacks that Build Muscle Fast & More (Listener Coaching)
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In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Weird workout hacks that BUILD MUSCLE FAST! (2:03) Is...
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Sal Destefano
Sal Destefano, Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews.
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Justin Andrews
You just found the most downloaded fitness, health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. In today's episode we answered listeners questions. They went to Mind Pump Media on Instagram, posted some questions. We picked four and we answered them. But this was after the intro. Today's intro is 51 minutes long. In the intro we talk about fat loss and muscle gain, exercise, diet, family life, studies. It's a good time. We know you'll love this episode. Again go to Instagram mindpump Media. That's where you can post your questions now. This episode is brought to you by some sponsors. The first one is Butcherbox. They deliver grass fed meats, crepe free chicken and pork, really high quality meats, wild caught fish as well to your door for great prices. If you like eating meat, you like protein. You probably do because you listen to this podcast. Go to butcherbox.com mindpump by the way, on that link you'll get $20 off your first box. You'll get free chicken breast, ground beef or salmon included in every box for free for an entire year. This episode is also brought to you by Organifi. Today we talked about their green juice. This has microgreens plus a nice serving of Ashwagandha. Today I talked about how Ashwagandha in studies has been shown to lower cortisol improve symptoms of stress. Go check it out. Go to Organifi.com that's O R G A N I F I.com mindpump use the code mindpump get 20% off. Also if you want. If you're a woman and you're plateauing with your results, you need some help, go here. Go to musclemommymovement.com quiz see if you fit into one of the avatars that most people fit in and get some personalized advice. Are you a comeback queen, an efficient powerhouse, a strength novice, or a lifestyle integrator? Again, it's musclemommymovement.com quiz. The quiz is free. All right, here comes the show. When it comes to building muscle, when it comes to strength training, the old advice, the stuff that you hear all the time, the consistent stuff, makes the biggest difference. But if you've been doing this for a while and you want to trigger new muscle growth, there are some weird hacks. Some of them sound like they break the rules. We're going to talk about them today. We're talking about eight of them. Eight hacks you can employ that'll get your body moving forward again to build new muscle. Let's go.
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Adam Schaefer
These are fun.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah.
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Adam Schaefer
Where'd this come from? What were you doing? Well, were you doing one of them that made you do it?
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Justin Andrews
No, study. A study actually triggered this and there was a conversation around why. This study shows that it actually built a little bit more muscle. So by the way, a lot of these you'll actually see advanced lifters sometimes talk about maybe even old school lifters. And many of them kind of sometimes run contrary to the advice that you'll hear us give sometimes. Right? The consistent advice. And there is like the meat and potatoes, the things that you should probably follow most of the time.
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Doug
Then there's the disruptors.
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Justin Andrews
But yeah, these are disruptors. Now, sometimes people confuse breaking a plateau with like, or shocking the body, which is beating the crap out of yourself. Oh, I'm plateaued. Let me just go hammer myself super hard to move things in the right direction. That's not really how it works. How it works is you tend to send a different signal and you want to do things that have some history behind them, maybe, you know, some experience behind them. Right. People have been doing them for a long time. And some data, because you don't want to go backwards either. And again, this doesn't. What we're about to say doesn't necessarily or probably won't replace the basics. It doesn't replace the basics. No, but. So the study I saw. I'll start with the first one. The study I saw showed that slightly looser form might actually build a little bit more muscle sometimes. Now what this looks like is, let's say I do a fly. I'll use a fly as an example. Typically what you want to do is you want to be very controlled with the replacement. And what the showed, what the study showed was that if There was a little bit of bounce at the bottom that it did potentially in the study look like it was a little bit more effective at building muscle. Now, you'll see bodybuilders do this sometimes. Sometimes you'll see them do this.
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Adam Schaefer
We call it cheat reps.
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Justin Andrews
It look though they were you referred to cheat reps. Some people say, oh, it's just so you can lift more weight. It's your ego. That's probably true sometimes, but nonetheless, this study compared it to controlled reps and found that there was some additional muscle growth. Now, I do want to say this before we get into why the risk of injury goes up significantly with looser form, which is why I almost never advise this Unless you're super experienced, you've got really good control, good stability, in which case, you know, this could be something fun.
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Adam Schaefer
I think the most important part of this conversation, which is I think it's a fun one to have, is because I'm sure there's a lot of maybe new people that see this stuff, that see like an advanced bodybuilder talking about cheat reps and how great they are, or referring to maybe someone referring to a study and they. Them going, wait a second. I hear the guys over at my pump always talking about strict form. I mean, I used to do cheap reps. I think this is a str. You know, what kind of reminds me of is like a. A professional athlete, like a Patrick Mahomes or a Stephen Curry, and you watch them do these weird, unorthodox things with the ball.
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Doug
Orthodox.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah, yeah. Watch how Patrick Mahomes will mess around and throw like a sidearm football. Or you'll see Steph Curry, you know, bounce the ball into the hoop. Like, not a good strategy to learn how to shoot the ball. Not a good strategy to learn how to throw the ball, probably. But when you have mastered the technique so well, you can kind of manipulate some of these things. Have fun with it. Practice your skills. Like, I kind of think of it the same way with teaching somebody about lifting. It's like, I would never do this with a new client, but if you're an advanced lifter, you have incredible control, you have good range of motion.
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Justin Andrews
You know your limits.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah, you know your limits. The occasional momentum lift or cheat rep, I can see it being applied.
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Doug
It's just another variable to kind of add into the mix to get your body to respond to it.
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Justin Andrews
And it's.
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Doug
It's like we're in an environment all the time anyways, where weight isn't controlled and you're not going to be always balanced with your lifting patterns, just picking up random objects. So to, to provide that kind of stimulus, it's pretty natural in a sense. Like we want to have things controlled so we can be methodical and we can actually have tangible progress that we can track.
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Justin Andrews
Safety.
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Doug
Yeah. And safety reasons for sure. But two, to, to kind of add a little bit of a nuanced variable there that's going to help stimulate something new.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah. Now besides the variable or different stimulus argument, which is oftentimes true. Well, first off, let me just say this. Managing risk is one of the most important things you could do with your workouts if you plan on doing this for the rest of your life. Okay. So when you look at people who've been working out for 30 years, the one thing that prevented them from exercising or caused problems or grief was injury. So this is definitely a consideration if you plan on doing this for the rest of your life. So it's very important to manage this and look at it seriously. That being said, there is some science to support why this works. What we find in the data is that the stretch when a muscle is loaded in stretched position. So in the fly, the bottom position, even if I'm using cables where the resistance is the same all the way through when the pec is fully stretched, that seems to send a louder hypertrophy signal. Well, here's what happens when I'm lowering a weight. Control versus coming down a little faster and bouncing at the bottom, let's say, and I'll use that word carefully, bouncing. If I have a 40 pound dumbbell and I'm controlling it, when I stop the dumbbell with control, that momentary stop, the weight is actually slightly heavier than 40 pounds. Okay. Because I have to stop the momentum so it looks like £40. Once I go to the bottom and change directions, it's maybe perceived by the pec is like 42, 43 pounds. If the rep is a little faster and there's a little bit more bounce, it's actually heavier. I've actually increased the resistance.
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Adam Schaefer
You mean lighter?
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Justin Andrews
No, heavier. So as I change directions with a little more speed, the momentum is going faster and I switch directions. That faster rep with a little bit of a bounce means at the bottom the weight is actually heavier.
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Doug
Whiplash effect.
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Justin Andrews
There's a bit of. Because you're stopping the, the, the, you're changing the direction weight and because of the momentum that 40 pounds, if it's controlled and I change directions, it's 40, 40, 40, 42. If it's 40 and I go a little faster. It's more like 50.
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Adam Schaefer
Well, that's because of the speed at which it's coming down and then changing directions at a faster speed.
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Justin Andrews
So that's right. Okay, that's right. So you actually load the muscle in a stretch position with more weight than you're holding. And this may explain the additional hypertrophy or muscle building effects. By the way, your muscles have this really interesting compensation for that. And you see it in Olympic lifters. Olympic lifters are, pound for pound, some of the strongest athletes in the world. In the world. And when they go to the bottom of a squat, it is not controlled. In fact, they bounce. Oh, yeah. At the bottom there's something called stretch reflex. Stretch reflex. That's right. Where a muscle will actually, because of the nature of moving things in nature, changing directions means it's a little heavier. So you actually stress the muscle closer to its capacity, which is where you.
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Doug
Might typically you're increasing speed and velocity.
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Justin Andrews
That's right.
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Doug
That's a whole nother dimension to what you've been doing previous to that, where it's all controlled and slow. So your, your fast twitch response actually is a whole different mechanism.
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Justin Andrews
That's right. Now, of course, the caveat with this is the fast reps or riskier reps, looser reps, riskier reps. So this is for, again, for people who have some experience, but if you're like a super controlled lifter all the time, you can try speeding it up a little bit, adding that stretch reflex that increased resistance due to momentum. And this may just be the little thing that causes more muscle growth.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah, I mean, I still stick to my original analogy of, you know, stick with the fundamental ways to throw the football and shoot the basketball. And then as you master that, that skill, then you can play with this kind of new, totally lifting 100.
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Justin Andrews
Next up, fewer exercises, but more sets. So let's say you're going in to do a back workout.
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Adam Schaefer
Volume training.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah, they do this, right? Pretty.
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Doug
Pretty good.
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Justin Andrews
Imagine you're gonna go, I remember the.
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Adam Schaefer
First time I did this.
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Justin Andrews
Oh, it's amazing. So I'll give an example. Let's say today's back day. And normally what you would do is three exercises for back three sets each for a total of nine sets. You could instead go in and do one exercise for nine sets. Just pick one exercise. Do all your sets with that one exercise.
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Doug
You know, psychologically liberating.
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Adam Schaefer
Well, I was gonna say. I was just gonna say of all the kind of like what you're you're labeling weird hacks or tips or whatever. This one makes the most logical sense for a lot of people to do. I mean, the idea of one taking off the, like thinking about. I have to think about three different exercises. Go choose. Also, we know the benefits of practicing a lift.
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Justin Andrews
Yep.
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Adam Schaefer
Right. Getting in the groove. Oh, yeah.
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Justin Andrews
Neuromuscular adaptation that happens through every.
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Adam Schaefer
It actually makes a lot of sense to. If you are. Even if you are, I would say on like, I think as we go through these, it'd be good like if you're a newer or where you're at and like, this is something that even a newer lifter can apply this technique and get the benefits from it.
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Justin Andrews
The two benefits of this are you can get really good at a particular exercise. So if you want to get really good at bench press or really good at a row, it's great for that. The second part of this, especially for larger muscle groups, you know, if I'm doing three exercises for back, I'm typically doing one that's more for lats, one that's more for mid back, one that's more for upper back. But let's say you want to specifically work on your lats. Like, my upper back looks great. I just want my. Like you could just do pull downs for nine sets and really focus on the lats. And so from a bodybuilding perspective, or let's say it's your chest. Instead of doing four exercises to hit each part of your chest, you could just do 10 sets of just incline just to get that upper chest.
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Adam Schaefer
I love it for. For things like that. Less. I mean, although lats make a little bit of sense and you could technically do this with any exercise, I think the best bang for your buck is picking one of the big five.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah, right.
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Adam Schaefer
Pick one of the big five and do ten main compound lifts. Yeah, do one of the main compound lifts. Do 10 sets of that and watch what happens.
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Justin Andrews
I think it's a great strategy. Some of my best gains in the short term come from this right here. Just doing like one exercise for a lot of sets. Yeah. And it's typically one of those big lifts. Yep. Next up, overcoming isometrics. Okay, so overcoming isometrics. I'll explain what they are first and then I'll. I'll give you the data. An overcoming isometric is trying to lift an immovable object with. With a lot of effort. So what it would look like is, let's say it's a bench press. I'd get into the bar and the bar would Be relatively close to my chest. It's probably a good position for this. And the bar is loaded with a weight I'm not going to move. It's not going to happen. Maybe I have it, you know, connected to the, to the actual rack. Or maybe I loaded up with £600, I'm not going to move it.
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Doug
Or it's under the arms and you're pushing against.
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Justin Andrews
That's right. But I get underneath it and I try to lift it and I put a lot of force into it. That's called overcoming isometrics. It's an old school strength training technique.
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Doug
Very effective, though.
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Justin Andrews
It activates more muscle fibers than any other form of strength training because you're not moving the weight, but you're trying to. What your body does is it recruits more and more and more and more muscle fibers because it's not doing anything. Yeah. Here's what a six week study showed. 5% strength gains, week over week.
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Adam Schaefer
That's crazy.
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Justin Andrews
Okay. Week over week, week over week. 1.69% hypertrophy, week over week. That's crazy. Yeah, that is crazy.
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Doug
The downside is that you just don't feel like you did anything.
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Justin Andrews
That's right.
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Doug
What am I doing here?
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Justin Andrews
That's right. Now, the caveat to this is it's boring. Or it can be boring for some people. I like, results fall off so very quickly. Like you're looking at these gains to last maybe between four to seven weeks and then after that it's not going to give you much. Here's another plus side. This strengthens your tendons like crazy.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
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Doug
And the risk is very low.
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Adam Schaefer
I would say. Another plus side is that this is another beginner thing.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah.
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Adam Schaefer
You could have somebody who is relatively new to lifting incorporate this. And because the risk is so low and there's such a high return. Another. This is another great one that again, would even do with a beginner.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah. So if you're like advanced, I challenge you to do, you know, four weeks of just this. Yeah. Squat, a row or a deadlift, a chest press, an overhead press. And you do this and you drive for like 10 seconds.
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Doug
Make sure you breathe.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah, yeah.
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Doug
A lot of people hold their breath and pass out.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah. Bruce Lee used to like to do this kind of training. He was really, you know, renowned for his strength to size. But I mean, 5% strength. And what'll happen is after you do this for four weeks, go back to your normal lifting and then watch what happens and the position you choose. Because some people like, where do I put the bar. Yeah. Pick the place that you're weakest. Yeah. Is where I would say.
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Doug
Yeah. And the thing is, because to your earlier point, like I, people don't realize, like if you're not moving, you're still trying to recruit, recruit, recruit. It just maximizes that recruitment process. You take that now to, you know, an actual lift and you feel that.
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Justin Andrews
Oh yeah. And now it's not devoid of its risk. Your form needs to be perfect because I don't want to say that fries.
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Doug
Your central nervous system.
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Justin Andrews
Some people will try this, this and then start tweaking their body trying to move the bar. No, no, your form needs to be perfect as you're driving the bar. But yeah, 5% strain gains over six weeks is insane. The next one, we've talked about this before. It's the all day workout. What does this look like? It looks like three to five sets in the morning. You wait two hours, go eat some food, hang out, come back, do another three to five sets. You go eat some more food, wait another couple hours, do it again. You can repeat this five or six times throughout the day. Take like three, four days off afterwards, go back to your normal workout, watch what happens. Yeah. This is remarkable.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah, it's a simpler way to. Because I, we get a lot of questions actually because we've talked about this many times. It's like take like MAP Synabolic Foundational day and you just break it up over the entire day.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah.
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Adam Schaefer
You know, so literally take that work. And the, Because I think the mistake that I, when we talk about this, when I hear people that try and go do this is they're doing a full workout. Yes, they do it. Yeah, they do way more thinking that the idea is that you're doing these, you know, three to four workouts in a day and it's like, no, you're taking one traditional workout like a MAPS Anabolic Foundational day and you're just breaking it up over the entire day.
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Justin Andrews
The one that I did that I got great results with is I did three sets of squats, three sets of bench press, three sets of rows. And I did it with. So I would do five reps of the weight that I could do 10 reps with. So it's moderate intensity. And I do, I do it at 9am, 11am, 1pm, 3pm and 5pm and in between I would eat and man.
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Adam Schaefer
So I haven't done it. That's the way I want to do it. Now that you've, you've discussed this a couple times because the Way I. I always did it is actually kind of like what it would look like if you took the, you know, two or three workouts of Maps 15 spread out through the day. So I would just pick one or two exercises. I would do it for 10, 15 minutes, and then I would do one or two exercises to. But I didn't think to do the same exercise. One set, One set, one set. All the way down. Yeah, no, I didn't think to do it like that. So I want to try that, but I've done the other way.
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Justin Andrews
What's weird about it too, is that by when I would do that squat, it was a squat bench in a row. By the third workout or fourth workout, I was stronger, which was really weird. It was really weird. I was like, I come back in the garage, do it again. I'm like, oh, my God, I feel so strong suddenly. And then you get a little fatigued by the. By the end of the day, it's.
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Doug
Like the adult version of a theme park.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah. You spend your whole day for fitness fanatics.
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Doug
Fitnessing.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah, it's. Next up, we have BFR training or blood flow restriction. This was really popular maybe like 10 years ago, 8 years ago. I don't hear anybody talking about this too much anymore, but this works for the extremities really well. What you do is you use a knee wrap and you tie off your arm, let's say relatively tight, not to let your arm go numb, but enough to where you feel like, oh, yeah, some blood flows restricted. Then you do. You pick a lightweight. You go high reps because the blood, the waste products can't leave the muscle as well. They build up. And it is. It'll torch you. Yeah. But it builds muscle very quickly.
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Adam Schaefer
I also feel like it's very similar to the isometrics. I feel I noticed a huge difference from it. But then tends to fall off.
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Justin Andrews
Falls off.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah. Like, it doesn't replace traditional training. And I feel like isometrics the same way, too. Great thing to add or complement your lifting or interrupt your traditional lifting, because there's great benefits, great gains from it in a short period of time. But I did notice, because I did a lot. I remember when we first were talking about the. Talking about BFR on the show, and we wrote the guide and all the things. I was using it in different ways, and there was a point where I was like, man, this is working so well. Can I just do this for those body parts? And temporarily it worked. But then I started to see it's. I started to Regress after a while, it's just like, oh, you can only just, just do that for a certain.
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Justin Andrews
I gained a quarter inch on my calves in like three weeks doing it. And then it was a stop working after that.
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Doug
Yeah, well, when I had pain too, it was such a great option. So I, you know, you didn't have to do very far of range of motion at all. And you get like plenty of benefit from it.
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Adam Schaefer
I mean, that's really where this came from, right? This came from hockey players, you know, rehabbing and, you know, professionals, right. And they don't want them to atrophy too much and so they tie off the limbs and do this. So there's very low risk because you're doing such a lightweight. It's a super lightweight. But again, it was, it was designed originally for rehab purposes, which is how I, I love to use it now too. You have someone that's. It's just a knee injury or something like that, and you can tie off the legs and do light leg extensions and get a massive pump on your quads.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah. Next up, we have a very simple workout that you could do for a good three, four weeks. And it's the squat, bench and row everyday workout. And literally what you're doing in the gym every day is a few sets of squat, few sets of bench, a few sets of rows. And you do it seven days a week.
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Doug
But you are broad stroke, but it gets pretty much everything.
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Justin Andrews
Oh, yeah, but you got to. You really manage the intensity here. One of these workouts is going to be hard. The rest of them, you're just kind of practicing the exercises. But in a few weeks, you put on some gains with those lifts right there. And there was a while ago where the squat everyday routine got real popular. You guys remember that people were adding like 50 pounds to the squat.
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Adam Schaefer
I feel like it's the time of year that it comes around. I feel like it's once a year. No, I'm serious. I think, I think, I think somebody has made like a tradition around a month that they, they do that in. And I think every year I remember you hear it starting to go around that it's like this, you know, squat every day.
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Justin Andrews
I would not do this for longer than three or four weeks because this is asking for injury. Same pattern over and over again, over and over again. You're gonna hurt yourself. But you do this for like 3 weeks. Feed yourself well, watch what happens.
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Adam Schaefer
So I like, this is this. I've used this strategy when coming back from being off for a few Months to reintroduce training again, real basic, only doing a couple sets and every day a little bit. And then after I start to get acclimated and then, okay, now I'm back into my training routine. It's a real cool way to kind of reintroduce that.
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Justin Andrews
Next step is to use the sled. The sled is still one of the most just undervalued. Incredible tools for everything. I mean, you could build your back with a sled, your shoulders, your chest, sorry, your legs. It's great because it has no negative portion of the rep. It's all concentric, which means it doesn't damage the body much. And you could stand in front of it and pull it towards you for your back. You could drive it forward, you could drive forward with your legs. This is a great tool. And you could devise a workout that, you know, a couple weeks where you're just using the sled, give your body a bit of a break, go back to your normal workout, and then see, suddenly you've got some new strength.
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Doug
One of the lowest risk methods to build muscles.
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Adam Schaefer
I mean, I think we all agree that this is probably the most underrated tool in the gym, hands down. I mean, I just think that. And you see it's, it's become more popular, I mean, ever since they started, you know, putting grass. Yeah. Introducing a functional kind of grass area. You definitely see most gyms. But I don't know, I, I think that for as, as useful, powerful, low risk, with big bang, you, I. We should see. I mean, every gym should have to have multiple sleds. The fact that one sled is enough for an entire gym just shows you how underutilized such a great tool is. The fact that one gym or one sled can support an entire gym just tells you how much of an underrated tool.
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Justin Andrews
It's one of those tools that's, it's appropriate for beginners to advanced. Like it doesn't matter where you're at, it's good. And then lastly, isolation before compound or another way to put it is you could take your workout program, flip it upside down. So normally when you go to the gym and you work, let's say chest, it starts with compound lifts and it goes isolation. Do it backwards, do the isolation first, end with compound. Way different feel, way different feel on the body. You get a crazy pump. This is not the way you should always work out. It's not how you should always work out. But if you did this for a couple weeks, it does switch things up. And what's interesting is the compound lifts feel very interesting when you fatigued muscle already and then you go to perform them. The pump is intense.
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Adam Schaefer
I used to do this a lot in bodybuilding. A lot, A lot. I mean, it was a very common thing when. Because there's also. There's also periods of time when I would be training where I'm in this kind of low calorie place. And so I know I'm not going to be building. Like, there's times where I'm like, compound lift has got to be first. I'm trying to build strength, trying to build muscle. I'm in a calorie surplus. And there's other times where it's like, I'm managing my intensity. The calories are low. It's like, what a great time to focus on all those little isolated areas or parts of the muscle that I want to focus on. And I'm just going to start to work out with it. Totally flip it on its head.
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Justin Andrews
All right, I got a cool study that I know you guys will like. This was August 25th of this year at McMaster University. The study was trying to look at the link between. If there was a university, McMaster.
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Adam Schaefer
Is that a real. Is that a real university? Is that like. What was that? What was the super bad. What was the kid's name?
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Justin Andrews
University.
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Adam Schaefer
Come on, guys. Not real.
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Justin Andrews
Yes, it is.
- [24:41]
Adam Schaefer
Where are you getting your studies at?
- [24:42]
Justin Andrews
Science. This is Science News, okay? This is Science Daily. Let's look it up.
- [24:47]
Adam Schaefer
Doug, where's this university?
- [24:47]
Justin Andrews
This is a real university. It's all McDonald's University.
- [24:52]
Adam Schaefer
Jack in the Box University.
- [24:53]
Justin Andrews
No, it's a real. It's a real university. Real study. And the study was trying to examine whether or not there's a link between eating meat and cancer. So we've seen other. We've seen other studies. Let's find this university first. Here, Doug, let's see. Wow, look at that.
- [25:09]
Sal Destefano
It's up in Canada.
- [25:10]
Justin Andrews
Wow. It's a real university.
- [25:11]
Doug
It's not real.
- [25:12]
Adam Schaefer
All right, then it's a real website. That's for sure. I remember that. Remember that guy? Remember that doctor, The. The rubber band doctor?
- [25:21]
Justin Andrews
Oh, yeah, I remember. He's got a certificate.
- [25:23]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, he's got like, he's got. He's got a degree from like a website master.
- [25:26]
Justin Andrews
No, no, that's a real. You guys. They do research there. Anyway. All right, cool. So they were. They're so mad right now.
- [25:33]
Adam Schaefer
I know, I'm insulting.
- [25:34]
Justin Andrews
Still don't believe you. Somebody who got a degree. There's so many scientists, master's degree, very real masters. Anyway, so you guys have seen studies before where they try to link eating meat to cancer. Anyway, when you break down the studies, what you find is it's processed meat and processed foods that have the cancer.
- [25:52]
Adam Schaefer
So eat a lot of hot dogs and get cancer.
- [25:54]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, yeah, like you're going to eat garbage. You're going to get some, some bad results. Anyway, this study, so large study of nearly 16,000 adults found. Now I love this study because it gets crazy. Found no link between eating animal protein and higher death risk. Surprisingly, I like how they said surprisingly because it's not surprising to me. Higher animal protein intake was associated with lower cancer mortality.
- [26:17]
Adam Schaefer
Look at that.
- [26:18]
Justin Andrews
Supporting its role in a balanced health promoting diet. So this study, this was published in Applied Physiology, Nutrition and Metabolism. They analyzed data from 16,000 adults age 19 and older using the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey. Again, there's no increased risk. In fact it looks like there may be a slight protective effect from eating that vegan page.
- [26:42]
Adam Schaefer
What's that one you got from UCSF right there? Doug, you just pulled up. Oh, this is another one.
- [26:46]
Sal Destefano
Oh, I'm, yeah, I'm just looking up the study here.
- [26:49]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, yeah. So I mean it's interesting because trying to connect one of the most foundational basic foods that humans have been eating forever. One of the most prized food, a food that if you get meat, if you're out in nature and you don't have grocery stores and you have to hunt.
- [27:09]
Doug
Yeah.
- [27:09]
Justin Andrews
You want meat. Yeah. Because you're gonna die if you don't.
- [27:12]
Doug
Get body literally just yearns for it.
- [27:14]
Justin Andrews
You're not going to get plant, you're not gonna have enough plants to support you. You'll get nutrient deficiency.
- [27:18]
Adam Schaefer
I mean I always go back to that show alone. It does such a good job of probably what it looked like, what it looked like 500 years ago. I mean literally that's what it probably looked like when you were trying to survive. And you look at the guys that and girls that only find berries.
- [27:31]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [27:32]
Adam Schaefer
They don't last. And this is, they don't even last. The crazy part about this is like you're talking about living forever or living for a lifespan. These people don't last six months.
- [27:41]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [27:41]
Adam Schaefer
Like you, you don't even last six months eating that way. Like so it's crazy to think that and, and even like the like meat isn't enough. It's like you have to have something that has good enough fat in it too. Healthy fat.
- [27:53]
Justin Andrews
Well, what's again Meat. If you just ate meat, this is not an ideal diet, so I'll say that first. So don't just eat meat.
- [28:00]
Adam Schaefer
Nobody's making that case.
- [28:01]
Justin Andrews
But you probably won't get a nutrient deficiency. So if you just ate meat, not ideal, but you're not going to get to a point where your body can't function. You can't do that with a single plant. You cannot. In fact, you would need a plethora of plants. You would need a grocery store that provided you with all these plants that you would never find naturally to even come close to a diet that doesn't create a nutrient deficiency. And even then, nutrient deficiencies are quite high. So meat is not. Not only is it not bad for you, it's actually quite good for you. And this study was, and they did a great job because they did all kinds of different controls. In fact, they looked at, the study, looked at plant protein. They found that there was no impact on cancer mortality. It was actually animal protein that may have a small protective effect. I don't necessarily think that animal protein is special from a cancer perspective. I do think for, and I have another study I'll share when it comes to like protein synthesis. But it's the nutrient deficiency issue. Yeah, that's the issue is that when you're not intaking adequate nutrients, then cancer risk tends to go up. And animal, animal meat tends to solve that issue. In fact, back in the day before vitamins were invented, if you had a nutrient deficiency and you came, you went to a doctor, they would make you eat meat, they would give you, tell your kid, give them liver or give them organ meat to solve.
- [29:26]
Doug
So the vegetarian argument is that it's the inflammation, the mtor and all this at least to the cancer. And that's always been promoted so highly.
- [29:33]
Justin Andrews
No, no, no, no, no. It's crazy. It's like saying testosterone causes prostate cancer when you have cancer. First of all, anything feeds cancer, especially anything that, that feeds a cell would feed a cancer. So that's the case. But in a, under normal circumstances, no, it doesn't do that. This is why fasting is anti cancer, by the way, because you're killing the cancer cell by starving, by starving, by starving it to death. And healthy cells tend to be a little more resilient.
- [30:00]
Adam Schaefer
Are you, are you following the Data on the GLP1s and obesity chart and everything like that? I mean, we talk, I feel like we were talking about, I don't know, four or five months ago. It's been a while climbing.
- [30:11]
Justin Andrews
So many people are Using it? No.
- [30:12]
Adam Schaefer
Okay. Yeah, but what's happening with obesity, right though? I mean it's got. I would think if that's. If GLP wants overall, like. Yeah, because for the first time in.
- [30:20]
Justin Andrews
What, how long it stopped.
- [30:21]
Adam Schaefer
It stopped. It actually reversed a little bit. Right. We were reversing. So are we starting to see an acceleration in the opposite direction?
- [30:27]
Justin Andrews
I haven't seen any additional data, but the trends that you see with food companies. Because I think you'll see that first, you'll see the trends with food companies before you see like obesity data, which is harder to collect.
- [30:39]
Adam Schaefer
What do you mean as far as like losing money? You mean that?
- [30:41]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. Buying what? Snack food companies are losing money.
- [30:45]
Adam Schaefer
I mean they're losing so bad that you know that there's. They're trying to re engineer the food to bypass the. Right from the GOP one. That's crazy.
- [30:53]
Justin Andrews
That's right. Fast food, snack foods, they're all losing market share because people are just not eating as much. You know, when you look at snack foods, for example, or fast food, a lot of people will eat snack foods, but their heavy users eat a lot. So you look at your consumer base, you have your like all your consumers and then you have a segment of your consumers that buy the most.
- [31:16]
Doug
Yeah, it's like 80, 80, 20.
- [31:18]
Justin Andrews
So it's not that Americans are eating less snack foods generally, it's that the heavy users are really are eating way less because they're on GLP1.
- [31:25]
Adam Schaefer
God. Is that really profits?
- [31:27]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [31:27]
Adam Schaefer
What I would be interesting to see what the percentage of that is like of how many of the heavy users are of the total market share. I like, is it like a really, like a small, like 5? Like is it like my roommate with.
- [31:39]
Doug
All his rappers everywhere? It was very revealing.
- [31:43]
Justin Andrews
You just call out your roommate? Yeah, he does.
- [31:47]
Doug
I mean he's, he's changed his eating behaviors now, but he got, you know, he was shamed.
- [31:51]
Adam Schaefer
Shamed him into it.
- [31:53]
Justin Andrews
I saw one time.
- [31:54]
Adam Schaefer
Oh my God.
- [31:54]
Doug
Where do you find all this stuff?
- [31:55]
Justin Andrews
I saw data once on fast food restaurant. I don't remember what the number was, but there was like a. It was like a percentage of their consumers ate the bulk of their food. I remember what the number was, but it was pretty crazy. They have like the regular customers that just give them most of their profits. Whereas most Americans will visit, you know, once a week or something like that. Yeah, you got those people that are literally like several times a day. You know, that's all business. Right. Isn't that funny?
- [32:18]
Doug
It is, yeah.
- [32:19]
Justin Andrews
That's all business. Every company has their heavy buyers. Are your buyers. That's right. Yeah.
- [32:22]
Adam Schaefer
You know what I'm saying? There's a. There's a percentage that buy most of the stuff. And I'm just. I'm so curious to, like, what that.
- [32:27]
Justin Andrews
Is, what that number is.
- [32:28]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. Because I think. I feel like generally speaking.
- [32:31]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [32:31]
Adam Schaefer
What is most people snack.
- [32:33]
Justin Andrews
Is it like 15% of their consumers consume? You know, 40%.
- [32:37]
Adam Schaefer
Right, right. That's why I want to know, like, because, I mean. I mean, there's processed food in my cabinet. I mean, I for sure have. So I'm. I still fall in that category now.
- [32:44]
Justin Andrews
But you're not eating, like.
- [32:45]
Adam Schaefer
No.
- [32:46]
Doug
Over the course of like, three, four months.
- [32:47]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
- [32:48]
Justin Andrews
I don't.
- [32:48]
Adam Schaefer
I wouldn't consider us a heavy user of it. So what does this say?
- [32:53]
Justin Andrews
Let's. Oh, wow. Regulars. And this is fast food. Regulars generate 65 to 80%. I told you. Of a restaurant's total profit.
- [33:01]
Adam Schaefer
Whoa.
- [33:02]
Doug
Substantial.
- [33:02]
Justin Andrews
That's crazy. Now, what percentage of their customers are regulars?
- [33:05]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. What does that. What does regular mean to. Once a day, a couple times a week.
- [33:09]
Justin Andrews
So look that up. Doug, what percentage of fast food industries consumers are considered regular regulars?
- [33:17]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. What would you. What would you constitute? Regular.
- [33:19]
Justin Andrews
And then we'll look up that. Like, what's a regular?
- [33:22]
Doug
Multiple visits.
- [33:23]
Adam Schaefer
Once a day. Once a day.
- [33:26]
Justin Andrews
Maybe people. Yeah. Maybe four times a week or more. To a specific restaurant, I would assume. I'm guessing. I have no idea. I'd love to see what this number looks like.
- [33:34]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. You got to think, like, McDonald's and stuff has this stats. They got to know.
- [33:38]
Doug
They got to have multiple day visits.
- [33:41]
Adam Schaefer
You know what's interesting is that if that's true, I'm surprised that more fast food restaurants don't cater to your crazy users like that. Like having a rewards program. It's like, oh, that's your 20th Big.
- [33:52]
Justin Andrews
Mac this month, Sal.
- [33:53]
Adam Schaefer
You got the. You got one free.
- [33:55]
Justin Andrews
Oh, that's what I thought. So there's 15. 15%. 15% are. Are highly frequent regulars where they go three or more times a week.
- [34:04]
Adam Schaefer
Okay, three or more. So you're.
- [34:06]
Justin Andrews
So 15 of their consumers eat 65 to 80% of their profits.
- [34:11]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [34:11]
Justin Andrews
Wow. And so if you put Those people on GLP1s.
- [34:15]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [34:15]
Doug
Yeah.
- [34:15]
Justin Andrews
Their profits are.
- [34:16]
Adam Schaefer
And those are the most likely people to use that. Use a GLP1.
- [34:19]
Justin Andrews
That's right.
- [34:21]
Adam Schaefer
Yes. Wow.
- [34:22]
Doug
Targeted for.
- [34:23]
Justin Andrews
Wow. That's crazy. Yeah. It's got to be like that with almost everything.
- [34:26]
Adam Schaefer
So they got to be Hurting bad. Then right now, McDonald's. They have to be hurting all of them. Are they.
- [34:31]
Justin Andrews
They're scrambling. They're having meetings. What do we do about this, you guys? Oh, yeah. Oh. You know, you know what else, you know what else is happening? Fast food, clothing companies are. The demand for extra. Extra large is going down.
- [34:44]
Doug
Really?
- [34:44]
Justin Andrews
Yes. They're having to put more money towards smaller sizes because people are shrinking. Yeah. Isn't that crazy?
- [34:50]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. I want to. I want to see the chart. I want to. Because it's been a while since we talked. We were talking a lot about this. Like what just like six, seven months ago and we haven't talk. Talked a lot. I'm just curious.
- [34:57]
Justin Andrews
This is cold. Like listen.
- [34:58]
Adam Schaefer
I mean there. And we're now too. We're now on to the. What is it? Reditude Tide. What's. How do I say it.
- [35:06]
Justin Andrews
So I know sounds stupid.
- [35:09]
Adam Schaefer
That is now that. So we're now onto that. That which is what. What do you call that?
- [35:13]
Justin Andrews
It's a. That's a GLP3.
- [35:14]
Adam Schaefer
GLP3.
- [35:15]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. It acts on three receptors and now they're about to release. Or they're researching oral ones that are just as effective. That's going to crush. Because right now you have to inject them.
- [35:24]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [35:24]
Justin Andrews
And it's an insulin needle. Not a big deal. But a lot of people are scared of injecting. You give someone a pill. Yeah, pills like no deterrent, you guys, 80%. 80% of everybody's gonna be taking.
- [35:33]
Adam Schaefer
That's. That's around the corner.
- [35:34]
Justin Andrews
Yep.
- [35:35]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, that's right.
- [35:35]
Justin Andrews
This is culture shifting. That's what we said we speculated early on. This is like one of those moments where we look back in time and you will see like. Oh yeah, this is like when the birth control was invented. Changed culture. Like this is gonna shift culture. I mean.
- [35:47]
Doug
And you still see a lot of the fear mongering with it as well.
- [35:51]
Adam Schaefer
Like.
- [35:51]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [35:52]
Doug
It's like leading to blindness and all these kind.
- [35:55]
Justin Andrews
Super. Lots of. Yeah. Everything has its risk, but they're actually relative. Remarkably safe. Yeah.
- [35:59]
Doug
When you overdose and overuse.
- [36:01]
Justin Andrews
And remarkably safe when you compare. Especially when you compare it to the benefits that these people are getting with weight loss. But again people, you got to lift weights and make sure your protein intake otherwise you're going to lose a ton of muscle. Yeah. On them. But I know you got to use it right. Back to the. Back to the meat one. I have a study on ground beef versus soy for muscle protein synthesis. So in this they compared, you know, both proteins and what they found was that 100 ground beef, you would need to eat twice as much soy protein to achieve the same results when it comes to muscle protein synthesis. Wow. Yeah, interesting. So that's because, you know, animal protein is more bioavailable, better amino acid. It's interesting though. Soy is not a terrible amino acid profile when it comes to like plant proteins. Soy is one of the better ones.
- [36:51]
Doug
Kind of the best option for meatless.
- [36:53]
Justin Andrews
It's one of the better ones. But in this particular study, 4 ounces of beef versus 4 ounces of soy, 1 serving of beef caused the muscle protein synthesis signal to do the job, while two servings were necessary to get the same muscle building effect.
- [37:10]
Adam Schaefer
That's kind of fat. So. So in other words, like if I was eating soy soybean burger patties, for example, I'd have to eat twice the pat. Twice the patties.
- [37:18]
Justin Andrews
Yes.
- [37:18]
Adam Schaefer
Just to get the same results.
- [37:20]
Justin Andrews
Here's why. Crazy. If you're eating a purely vegan diet, it's hard to get enough protein anyway. When it comes to like maybe not essential protein, but what's considered ideal, right. For muscle building performance, all that stuff, it's hard. You have to use supplements. Like try doing it with whole natural vegetable sources. Good luck. But even if you do add the supplements and do all that stuff, you have to take in more calories worth of protein to achieve the same effect. So you know, it's harder. Now you're, now you're, now you're struggling with getting too many calories because you're eating twice as much to get the same effect.
- [37:56]
Adam Schaefer
Wow.
- [37:57]
Justin Andrews
So animal protein is superior.
- [37:59]
Adam Schaefer
Shout out to butcherbox.
- [38:00]
Justin Andrews
Butcher box.
- [38:01]
Adam Schaefer
Hey, speaking of butcherbox, I. So my, my, we were, we were barbecuing yesterday for the, for the Labor Day weekend and my, my brother in law was the one grilling on my grill and I was complimenting the, the meat. I was like, what did you season this with? And he's like, it was, it's your seasoning. And I'm like, what are you talking about? I didn't know that Butch and I guess Katrina must have ordered the last order. We get the seasoning from there. Have you guys, have you used their seasoning yet?
- [38:24]
Justin Andrews
They have seasoning.
- [38:24]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, they have seasoning. I didn't even know about it. Had no idea, was tasting the meat. I could tell it was a different seasoning than what I normally use. I'm like, hey, this is really good. What did you season with? He's like, it's your seasoning. I'm like, what? And he shows it to me on the counter and he says, butcher Bob. Like, I didn't know they had seasoning.
- [38:39]
Justin Andrews
Wow.
- [38:39]
Adam Schaefer
So we just. I just got my most recent box and we just grilled, but my brother did it, so I didn't see what he was seasoning the meat with until after the fact and saw that. I'm like, oh, I gotta bring that up the next time we talk about butcherbox, that they have seasoning too.
- [38:53]
Justin Andrews
Interesting.
- [38:53]
Adam Schaefer
See what they see. If I. You pull it up, I can tell you.
- [38:56]
Justin Andrews
Oh, there it is. Yeah. Oh, I bet it's good.
- [38:59]
Adam Schaefer
It was good. It was really good. That's why I commented on it, because I was like, I. And I knew it wasn't because I. There's. I typically use a Montreal and then that's your go to. Yeah, it is like my go to on most of my grilling. And I could tell it was something different. And he's like, yeah, no, it's a butcher box. Whatever. Although the bottle looked different than that. Is there another one or is that the only.
- [39:17]
Sal Destefano
Yeah, I'll look for one.
- [39:18]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. Interesting.
- [39:19]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [39:19]
Justin Andrews
I can't wait to try anything.
- [39:20]
Sal Destefano
I've never seen it on their site.
- [39:22]
Adam Schaefer
I know. Me, I didn't know. I had no idea. So I'm glad you brought that up today because it's fresh. It was literally yesterday, so I'm so glad you brought it up.
- [39:28]
Sal Destefano
Oh, yeah. They have a number of.
- [39:29]
Adam Schaefer
Okay. Yeah.
- [39:30]
Justin Andrews
Wow. Yeah. Sweet.
- [39:31]
Sal Destefano
I'm going to barbecue rub. Cajun seasoning.
- [39:34]
Adam Schaefer
So I just say, how does that count towards our. So we have our boxes.
- [39:37]
Justin Andrews
Where is that seven dollar. Looks like seven dollars each.
- [39:40]
Adam Schaefer
Each. Yeah. I'll start. I'll start.
- [39:41]
Justin Andrews
I'm gonna add that.
- [39:42]
Adam Schaefer
I know.
- [39:43]
Sal Destefano
I think it must be new.
- [39:45]
Adam Schaefer
It has to be.
- [39:45]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [39:46]
Adam Schaefer
Because I didn't. I didn't know that. Yeah, I never saw it either. That's awesome. And I don't. And I don't know if they just threw that in, knowing that I'd probably end up talking about it if I used it or whatever. But I. I have to ask Katrina if she actually intentionally went and ordered it. But it arrived with my last box, and I'm like, oh, yeah, this is bomb.
- [40:03]
Justin Andrews
So I got. I got another. I got another study that confirms what we know, and that is that endurance training causes muscles to shrink. So if you want endurance, that's totally fine. If you're trying to build muscle, endurance training counters that signal. And there's a few reasons why. But one of them. And this is what the study shows, I'll read the title of it. Diffusion and physical constraints limit oxidative capacity, capillary supply and size of muscle fibers in mice and humans when it comes to endurance training. So essentially what's happening is there is a trade off between size and endurance. And part of the reason of this is, you know, if you look at a cell, the larger a cell gets, the ratio of surface area to total volume starts to become disadvantageous to deliver, you know, or to improve its oxidative capacity. In other words, a small cell going from the outside to the inside of the cell is much easier if you're trying to deliver. Because endurance exercise is energy. It's a lot of energy demand, very energy. Demanding. Big muscles just aren't as good for endurance, period. End of story. So if you're sending a signal for endurance, one of the ways your body improves its ability with endurance, because it's an adaptation signal, is by shrinking muscle so you can feed your muscle, your body all you want. You could do strength training. The signal says, we can't have these muscles be so big. If you want to have lots of.
- [41:28]
Adam Schaefer
Endurance, how would you define for the average listener what endurance training looks like as far as, like, how long is it during? Is it a minute? Your heart rate goes into the cardiothorpe threshold. Is it a 20, 30 beyond an hour? Like, how would you, how would you describe that to someone who's like. Because you know what? I, what I don't want to do is also deter somebody who is, you know, doing, you know, running a little mile and trying to get in good cardio shape to go, oh, my God, my muscles.
- [41:52]
Justin Andrews
No. And look, cardiovascular, endurance and capacity is good. Like, you need it. Like, you don't want to just be this muscular person with no, no endurance. But when this argument comes up like it's, it's a fact. And sometimes people argue with it. No, you could train both and it doesn't. That's not true. But if you're training for endurance, that's how you know, like, are you just being active? Are you walking on a treadmill for activity, or are you pushing the adaptation of endurance? If you're pushing for the adaptation of endurance, well, then that's what you're asking your body to adapt to. And it's going to make muscles smaller. Just, just how it works.
- [42:26]
Adam Schaefer
And I think most importantly to understand that when you have very specific goals, because how many times do we get somebody who's just like, I want to build, I know I want to build muscle, but Then they also want to do that. And it's just like, we'd be far better off focusing on building the muscle and then going that route or just focusing on the endurance and then deciding after we're done.
- [42:43]
Justin Andrews
By the way, the best approach to what you just said, Adam, for people. It's funny, I'm going through this with my daughter right now because she's off season. She's going to start soccer in a couple months, and she. In or a few months, and she's like, okay, can I do. Because I gave her a workout. Told you guys this. Right? Gave her a workout. Which, by the way, so funny she came. You know, she's with me now this week because she was with her mom last week, and remember I had that debate with her over the workout. She's like, how am I supposed to make gains? It's not enough volume. So she came over and I'm like, are you getting stronger? And she's like, oh, yeah, I'm getting way stronger. I said, it's weird. It's as if your dad kind of knew. Has had the top fitness podcast in the world. I'm always trying to make her know I'm cool. You know what I mean? Anyway, she's like, can I. Should I do conditioning with this? And I said, no, the best way to train for this is separate them. So build muscle and strength, and then you go through a block of endurance. If you do it all at once, it's not as effective.
- [43:37]
Doug
It's just competing signals.
- [43:38]
Justin Andrews
In fact, there was a study that showed that one week of strength and muscle building, one week of endurance, one week of striking endurance, you know, strength, alternating. Like, that was better than combining them all. Yeah. In the week you actually got better. Yeah. Of each you got better. You got more of each by alternating than you did by doing them all at the same time. Yeah, yeah.
- [43:56]
Adam Schaefer
So just for people, you think that. You think the. The way Rock lost all that weight. Muscle was just purely doing endurance or what? He dropped, like, 60 pounds.
- [44:04]
Doug
Did he explain that? Like, would he.
- [44:07]
Adam Schaefer
So, I mean, 60. It was 60 pounds.
- [44:09]
Doug
You could tell. I mean, he just. He shrunk.
- [44:11]
Adam Schaefer
I bet he looks better, though. Like, I haven't seen a good comparison of what he looks like afterwards. Shirt off. Shirt. I don't know, Dylan, if you saw that.
- [44:17]
Doug
I don't know. He was wearing a shirt, but, I mean, you could tell in his neck and his face.
- [44:20]
Justin Andrews
It was just for a role.
- [44:21]
Adam Schaefer
That's what he said.
- [44:22]
Justin Andrews
Okay, so he didn't lose weight for a MMA Yeah, that makes sense kind.
- [44:26]
Adam Schaefer
Of, because that's not the guy you, you, you, you get for a role that you want smaller, right? Is that kind of typical? Don't you typically get Arnold the Rock? Those guys, like, you don't go like, he's the best.
- [44:36]
Doug
These are the last, like, big dudes.
- [44:39]
Justin Andrews
I know you' feel like if you're going to gain or lose a bunch of weight, you got to be like a, like a, like Daniel Day, Christian Bale.
- [44:46]
Adam Schaefer
You're like a really talented actor.
- [44:49]
Justin Andrews
He's not really, like a great. Is he a great actor? I don't think so.
- [44:51]
Adam Schaefer
No, I don't.
- [44:52]
Justin Andrews
I mean, he's good, but he's not like.
- [44:54]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, I mean, he, he was. I mean, he's good.
- [44:55]
Justin Andrews
He was not Robert De Niro.
- [44:56]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, exactly, exactly. That's what I mean.
- [44:58]
Justin Andrews
That's.
- [44:58]
Adam Schaefer
You do that with that guy, right?
- [45:00]
Justin Andrews
You know him and Batista lost a lot of weight, remember?
- [45:04]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [45:05]
Justin Andrews
Oh, he's playing Mark. He's going to play Mark Kerr in the. You guys know who Mark Hare was?
- [45:10]
Adam Schaefer
No, who's that?
- [45:10]
Justin Andrews
You guys don't remember the smashing guy? Okay. Yes.
- [45:14]
Adam Schaefer
So why would he need to be small for that?
- [45:16]
Justin Andrews
Because what may have happened because Mark Kerr, when he competed was huge.
- [45:21]
Adam Schaefer
I knew he was Mark Kerr right away. How'd you know that?
- [45:23]
Justin Andrews
That's an old school MMA fighter, remember? I used to be. I used to be.
- [45:26]
Adam Schaefer
You recognize that right away.
- [45:27]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. So you got to watch the documentary Smashing Machine about. So this guy entered UFC and just dominated. He was a total beast. But then at the end, I think.
- [45:35]
Adam Schaefer
Something happened in this era. I don't remember that.
- [45:37]
Justin Andrews
Oh, yeah, dude, he fought in ufc.
- [45:39]
Adam Schaefer
He looks jacked right there.
- [45:40]
Justin Andrews
Oh, Mark Kerr was a beast, dude. He was.
- [45:42]
Adam Schaefer
So that's definitely not the role he did, Doug, for getting smaller.
- [45:45]
Justin Andrews
No, I think at the end, markair, if I'm not mistaken, maybe you could look him up.
- [45:49]
Adam Schaefer
Oh, like cancer or something like that.
- [45:51]
Justin Andrews
He got sick or something. Lost a bunch of muscle, if I'm not mistaken. So, yeah, so Mark, he's massive right there.
- [45:59]
Doug
He's huge in the beginning of the movie anyway.
- [46:01]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. So I think maybe he lost the weight for the end of movie either. Got sick. I don't remember what happened to him exactly. I don't know if it was.
- [46:10]
Adam Schaefer
That would make sense now because he's already. He's playing a role where he's supposed to be Jack, but then they're like, hey, listen, you get really sick at the end of this, so we need a Month or so where you're. Yeah.
- [46:17]
Justin Andrews
Doug, look up what happened to Mark Care. You know, why? Did Mark Kerr lose a bunch of weight or something like that? I don't remember what it was.
- [46:23]
Adam Schaefer
How do I not remember this guy's story?
- [46:25]
Doug
Dude, I know.
- [46:26]
Adam Schaefer
Was he not. Was he not in ufc? Was he in the Pride or something else?
- [46:29]
Justin Andrews
He fought in UFC too.
- [46:31]
Adam Schaefer
Really? Because I didn't follow Pride as much, bro.
- [46:33]
Justin Andrews
They called him the Smashing Machine because the, The. The. The match would start.
- [46:36]
Adam Schaefer
I mean, he, like, he was so overwhelming. Shamrock days and like, after.
- [46:41]
Justin Andrews
Oh, after Mark Coleman. Do you guys remember Mark Coleman? Yes, he trained under Mark Coleman. They came from that whole school where they were just like brawls. Yeah, we're just gonna.
- [46:49]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [46:49]
Justin Andrews
Basically overwhelm you. Yeah. With our. With our aggressiveness. Yeah. And he was scared. Yeah.
- [46:54]
Doug
He did get lots of offense list.
- [46:55]
Adam Schaefer
He got sick.
- [46:56]
Justin Andrews
I think he did get sick. Doug, did you find out. Yeah.
- [46:58]
Sal Destefano
How do you spell his last name?
- [47:00]
Justin Andrews
K, E, R, R. Oh, you guys gotta. You guys gotta watch some of his old fights.
- [47:04]
Adam Schaefer
I mean, I'm super interested now because I can't. I can't figure out why I didn't. I don't recall him.
- [47:09]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. Oh, he's got a crazy story. I just remember watching him. It was, it was. It was one of those. You would watch his fights and you'd be like this. So you feel bad.
- [47:18]
Adam Schaefer
He must have some sort of a crazy story other than just being a fire too, because the same era was.
- [47:23]
Doug
That guy with the cowboy hat had mustache and who was just.
- [47:26]
Justin Andrews
Oh, Don Fry.
- [47:27]
Doug
Don Fry.
- [47:27]
Justin Andrews
Don Fry, I want to say, was rate maybe before him. Yeah.
- [47:31]
Adam Schaefer
Because that would be Ken Shamrock time.
- [47:33]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, yeah.
- [47:33]
Adam Schaefer
Don Fry is Ken Shamrock and all that.
- [47:35]
Justin Andrews
Fry was a little after Shamrock because Shamrock hit his peak earlier. You know, Shamrock was. He was a beast. Before ufc, he fought in, I think it was called Pink Race, if I'm not mistaken, where they would do open hand strikes.
- [47:47]
Adam Schaefer
Oh, that one.
- [47:47]
Justin Andrews
And leg locks.
- [47:48]
Adam Schaefer
What's the one where they used to. They used to do like five fights in one. One. One night.
- [47:52]
Justin Andrews
Well, that's old school. Ufc.
- [47:53]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. When UFC first started, it used to be like. Yeah, tournament style. Wait, no, weight classes. So crazy, dude.
- [48:02]
Sal Destefano
So the Rock did lose £60 for the role.
- [48:04]
Justin Andrews
Yes.
- [48:05]
Sal Destefano
Okay, now, Mark Kerr, he had some opioid addiction, and that's why he lost.
- [48:11]
Justin Andrews
A lot of weight. Oh, and. Oh, yes, I remember now because of the way they used to train.
- [48:16]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, they used to train so injured all the time.
- [48:18]
Justin Andrews
Mark Coleman and the. In care and those guys that. There was a whole bunch of those guys. They. The way that they trained was like, you go in the gym and you're gonna fight. Like, we're just gonna fight.
- [48:28]
Adam Schaefer
I mean, that's some of the craziest I've ever seen the Rock clipping right there. So he went up. So he went up and got Jack, which. Okay, now this makes more sense because he probably didn't lose 60 from like, kind of where he cruises at. It looks like he got jacked, put on an extra 50.
- [48:40]
Sal Destefano
I think he lost it for that role.
- [48:41]
Justin Andrews
He did.
- [48:42]
Sal Destefano
He was bigger before.
- [48:44]
Adam Schaefer
No. Well, he's. He's huge right there, Doug. No, what you're looking. Your video. You're putting. That is not him down 60 pounds. That is peak him.
- [48:51]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. At the end of the movie.
- [48:53]
Adam Schaefer
100. That is peak him at the end of the movie. He's probably down.
- [48:56]
Justin Andrews
That's. He's.
- [48:57]
Adam Schaefer
Have you not seen the Rock out before? That is the biggest the Rock has ever been right there. Google that.
- [49:02]
Sal Destefano
I'm not sure about that.
- [49:03]
Adam Schaefer
Yes.
- [49:03]
Justin Andrews
No, no, no, no.
- [49:05]
Sal Destefano
Okay, I'm being outvoted here.
- [49:07]
Adam Schaefer
Well, I mean, Doug, have you never seen the Rock with his shirt before?
- [49:10]
Sal Destefano
And he's huge than that.
- [49:12]
Justin Andrews
No, he's leaner maybe.
- [49:14]
Sal Destefano
Anyway, so according to the article, he lost the 60. 60 pounds to. To play the role.
- [49:19]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [49:19]
Adam Schaefer
Right.
- [49:19]
Justin Andrews
But what I.
- [49:20]
Adam Schaefer
But he shot. He. Yeah, he shot the first half.
- [49:23]
Justin Andrews
That's right.
- [49:23]
Adam Schaefer
Jack.
- [49:24]
Justin Andrews
That's right.
- [49:24]
Adam Schaefer
And then he lost. Then he lost the weight for that part of the role is totally with. And it makes sense because that's the biggest I've ever seen the Rock. He probably went up 20 pounds for the actual beginning of the role. Yes. He got huge. And then he probably cut hard and lost the last. The 60 for what he looked like when he gets sicker. Because. Yeah, that's. I don't think I've seen the Rock ever. Look.
- [49:43]
Justin Andrews
So that whole era was crazy. And what they would do is they would take opioids to mask the pain so they could keep fighting.
- [49:49]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [49:49]
Justin Andrews
Y. And they would just keep going, going. And some of them became addicted. I believe Coleman got addicted at one point.
- [49:55]
Adam Schaefer
I mean, all the MMA fighters, the wrestlers, everybody. I mean, a lot of these organizations, I don't know the story of the.
- [50:02]
Justin Andrews
Of.
- [50:02]
Adam Schaefer
Of UFC if it was like this, but I know like WWF was like this, where they're like an in house doctor.
- [50:06]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [50:07]
Adam Schaefer
And you just. You finish a match and you heard.
- [50:09]
Justin Andrews
There is an opioid that they would actually inject even before matches. And I can't remember the name of it, but a lot of them got addicted to it because I don't remember what it was called, but they hit them with it before going out to do a match so they could do.
- [50:22]
Adam Schaefer
The whole up, you know, what a.
- [50:25]
Justin Andrews
Crazy position to be in. Right? Because I would have, if I were a pro wrestler, I would have fallen for that.
- [50:31]
Adam Schaefer
I would have too.
- [50:32]
Justin Andrews
We all would have.
- [50:33]
Adam Schaefer
I mean, I feel like you're a liar if you say you would. If you, especially if you're, you're passionate.
- [50:37]
Justin Andrews
I would have not said, no, don't do that. I would have been like, I'm gonna go out, I'm making all this money, I got my fans, I'm gonna go perform, go.
- [50:44]
Adam Schaefer
And it's. And it was normalized like everybody was. It's not like it was this underground shady thing you do. It's like, hey, go see the doctor, he'll take care of it. All my peers do it. The biggest guys on stage are doing it. It's like you. Oh yeah, 100. You would fall into that. That especially a young version of young, 20 something mean.
- [50:59]
Justin Andrews
Oh God.
- [50:59]
Adam Schaefer
Pursuing your, your dream to be this superstar. Like of course I think that would, I think that would happen.
- [51:04]
Justin Andrews
All right. I got a study on Ashwagandha that I wanted to bring up. So Ashwagandha, I looked up a meta analysis and some other studies. Really, really effective for anxiety and stress. And it does lower cortisol. It does lower because of the lowered anxiety and stress on the body. This is again a meta analysis. I'll read to you guys the results. There were 15 studies that they used with a combined sample size of 873 people. Ashwagandha supplementation significantly reduced anxiety compared to placebo and lowered cortisol as well. Significantly. It is a very effective. Now it is not a permanent solution, but I think with a stress protocol, let's say you're over trained and you're trying to like, okay, I'm trying to back out of this. Organifies green juice has a nice dose of Ashwagandha. Yeah, that would be a great thing to add to your repertoire for lowering overall stress.
- [52:02]
Adam Schaefer
Is that in the immediate short term, like it doesn't have long term. Like let's say I was taking Ashwagandha consistently for two or three weeks and then I didn't. The benefits stop right then and there or do they actually still carry on?
- [52:14]
Justin Andrews
No, These studies are typically 88, 8 to 12 weeks long and you'll start to see the effects within the first one or two weeks. Now for athletes, Ashwagandha, people gain muscle and strength on it precisely because it reduces the stress. That and athletes oftentimes are redlining.
- [52:30]
Doug
Well, yeah, that's the thing because they're over training half the time because they have to keep the movement going.
- [52:35]
Adam Schaefer
But I like that was part of my stack too when you were trying to help me with my testosterone level. Yeah, my testosterone level too. So it has benefits to that also.
- [52:42]
Justin Andrews
Yes, it'll raise testosterone with men who have low testosterone from. So the green juice from Organifi is great because it has an efficacious dose of Ashwagandha. Plus it has all the other micronutrients from greens in there. Get all your veggie nutrients as well. I mean it's a great supplement for people trying to manage their stress. For sure. Your water, the one that you shower with probably has chlorine and that can alter the microbiome on your skin. It's not a good thing. An altered microbiome can cause dryness, acne, skin problems or just, just poor skin health. Anyway, there's a company called Jolie that has showerheads that filter all that out. You put it on and now you have filtered water that you can wash yourself with. Go to joleskinco.com that's J-O L I E S K I N C-O.com mindpump. You could try it out for free with free shipping and if you don't like it, you could return it. Here comes the show.
- [53:38]
Sal Destefano
First question is from GGing. How does a person with a full time desk job and a family find time to get the appropriate amount of weights in for strength each week, the appropriate amount of movement each day, the appropriate amount of cardio and hiit cardio each week?
- [53:57]
Justin Andrews
Okay, first of all, you can't do everything. So just relax with the appropriate amount of everything.
- [54:04]
Doug
I do all the things I'm not doing.
- [54:05]
Justin Andrews
Listen, if you did, if you did did maps 15, which is two exercises a day and you got between 8 to 10,000 steps a day, you're gonna get 85% of all the benefit you'll get from strength training activity. That's it, that's all you gotta do. How do you get those steps throughout the day? You just throughout the day, track them. So in your Apple, watch your phone, you can get a pedometer or bathroom trips and you just, you just get up and walk for 5 to 10 minutes several times a day and you'll hit that number and two exercises a day is about 15 to 20 minutes a day. Day. And you probably want to start your day off that way. If you have kids and a family, you're more likely to be consistent if you start your day with it versus end with it.
- [54:44]
Adam Schaefer
A short intentional walk in the morning, a short intentional walk at lunch and a short intentional walk at the end of the night will covers. It covers that. We'll get that up there. And it's a massive. By short, I mean 20 minutes or less. Like you could, you could get that in and just doing that. And that's a better strategy than trying to organize an hour block where you're going to go.
- [55:02]
Justin Andrews
It's not going to work.
- [55:03]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. And that people are just less consistent with that.
- [55:05]
Justin Andrews
I think if you just look at your pedometer and you see where you're at. All right, I'll get up and go for a five minute walk.
- [55:09]
Doug
Even just timing like I, I used to have like a little alarms with one of my clients where they get up and just stretch, you know, because they're so desk bound all day long. Just to have that like continual like five minutes get up, you know, and stand up.
- [55:21]
Adam Schaefer
I, I also found just helping my clients become aware of the opportunities that are naturally presented to you to just walk more. In other words, you, we all go to a store or go something like that. It's like, hey, intentionally park.
- [55:33]
Justin Andrews
Totally. It makes a difference far away.
- [55:35]
Doug
Like take stairs.
- [55:36]
Adam Schaefer
There's two floors you got to go up I. The elevator. Or you know what, maybe I'm gonna.
- [55:40]
Justin Andrews
Walk up this bathroom on this floor. There's a bathroom on the second floor.
- [55:43]
Adam Schaefer
Or like, oh, lunch. I could have a door dash to me or I could walk up the road where it's a mile away or a half a mile away to go get. It's like there's a lot of things that are naturally presented to us that we've, we've chosen the convenient. Understandably route.
- [55:57]
Doug
You don't have to be in a gym.
- [55:58]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. Where exactly. If you just start to go, oh, you know what? I'm gonna do that thing today. Like I, I mean, and by the way, this goes even to someone who, I mean I consider all of us fitness people. Right. Like I still think about this type of stuff when it comes to like a day where I know, oh, Saturday, I don't move a lot. It's like, oh, I'm gonna intentionally go do chores around the house right now to get my activity.
- [56:19]
Justin Andrews
Now you're doing two things.
- [56:20]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. So I, I think of it like that. It's like, oh, you know what? I need to move. I haven't been moving all day. You know what? I've been meaning to go clean out that damn garage. I haven't done that in a while. I'm gonna go do that.
- [56:28]
Justin Andrews
And let me add this. Cause if you're at work, you're at your desk, you may think you're taking time away from being productive. The data shows that breaking up your day with small walks improves productivity.
- [56:38]
Doug
Way more focus.
- [56:39]
Justin Andrews
In fact, we have a ritual here that we only started maybe a couple years ago at most, where we go for a walk in the middle of the day. The reason why we do it is not to get the steps. That was initially why we do it. I know why we keep doing it. It actually makes us better on the show. We do it because we're better on the pod. It improves productivity. So taking 20 minutes out of the day makes us better at our job. So I just want to say that because sometimes people are afraid that, oh my God. To I got to work, I got to stay at my desk.
- [57:04]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [57:05]
Sal Destefano
Next question is from Kay Lynn Matus. If I'm not hungry at the end of the day, but I haven't hit my caloric or protein goals for the day, should I still eat?
- [57:14]
Adam Schaefer
This is where your bone broth protein, I think is so good. Yeah, this right here. Because it's so light. Sneaky. You could, yeah, you could put three scoops of that in there and pound that with water and so it's super light. And so if you don't have an appetite at the end of the night, but you're consistently under your protein, I think the Payo Valley bone broth is the go to move. Shake it up on some ice or almond milk and drink that.
- [57:41]
Justin Andrews
And by the way, a lot of this depends on who I'm talking to. If your calories are really low, then we're going to have to try to figure out how to get more calories. If your calories are okay and you're not hungry, it's not that big of a deal. The other thing too is sometimes this is a appetite issue and you may be be over trained. You may have too much stress oftentimes. If I had clients like this, which was less common than the client that overeats. Right. But I would have clients like this relatively regularly changing their strength training to something that gets them stronger spikes the appetite and they would have the appetite to be able to eat the food. So it depends on who I'm talking to for sure.
- [58:20]
Sal Destefano
Next question is from Delane Elizabeth. What is your best advice for a former college athlete who is finding out that lifting after college is hard? When the last four years were filled with team lifts written by coaches. I love lifting and how great it makes me feel, but I've struggled with gym consistency after graduating from college and have gained some weight that I'd like to get rid of.
- [58:42]
Justin Andrews
Okay. This is ex. Athletes can be very challenging. Yeah.
- [58:47]
Doug
This is like my story right here.
- [58:48]
Justin Andrews
It's very challenging because especially if you're a college athlete, that's high level. Right. If you're a college athlete, you've probably lived, you probably lived a nice portion.
- [58:57]
Doug
Of your insulated environment too.
- [58:59]
Justin Andrews
In a competitive environment, your drivers are different, your tolerance for intensity is different and that suddenly changes and you don't know how to get yourself to the gym. I don't have a game. I don't have this competition. I don't have my team. So it really does take some work. And I would say this. Buy yourself a well written program or hire a trainer and start there. Y don't just go to the gym to try and figure it out. Program makes a big difference.
- [59:25]
Adam Schaefer
I'm surprised you guys didn't go in the direction of what we're about to release literally today or the next couple days. I think this is part of us testing this new idea out with what we are about to do with the Muscle Mommy program.
- [59:39]
Justin Andrews
Oh.
- [59:39]
Adam Schaefer
Is we are building a community around it of taking people through the program with that accountability and kind of community piece to go with it. So, so if you're somebody that really likes that, you thrive in that. And, and it's, and it's also getting, you're getting coaching from us, right. Our team. And so it's going to feel like you're getting training but for like a fraction of what it would normally cost if you had a personal trainer. So I think something like that is perfect for them. What's the website for the quiz right now?
- [60:09]
Justin Andrews
Musclemommymovement.com quiz and that's a free quiz and you can see where you fit and you'll get some free advice. And then. And if you want to be in part of a community that helps you stay consistent, it's going to be awesome.
- [60:20]
Sal Destefano
Next question is from Jayna B. How do you decide whether to keep fitness as a hobby or turn it into a career?
- [60:27]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, good question. If you're asking this question, you probably already love fitness. Okay, so you already love fitness. How do you know if you want to make it a career you also have to love people just as much if you really love fitness. But you're like, eh, people are cool but I don't want to be with somebody. What a different. All the time.
- [60:45]
Adam Schaefer
What a great point, Sal. What a great, that's a great point. Great question to ask yourself because that's the deciding factor that is I know a lot of people that love fitness and they love training themselves and they love, that's right. All the things but they're like not.
- [60:57]
Doug
Troubleshooting for other people.
- [60:58]
Adam Schaefer
People and they don't think, yeah, what a great, I think that's an easy way to solve this.
- [61:04]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. And why is this important? Because when you're a trainer you're, you're not going to be in front of people that you, that you just like. You're going to be in front of a lot of different people who are very different from you.
- [61:13]
Doug
Difficult personality, different goals.
- [61:14]
Justin Andrews
Difficult.
- [61:15]
Adam Schaefer
I just did, I just did a clip on Instagram about this. Like you 8 to 10, you have to be a chameleon. You are going to train people that have different ideology, different morals than you worldviews, like hobby all the things. And you've got to find a way to enjoy that process. And if you can't see yourself enjoying those conversations with people who don't see eye to eye you or that you wouldn't find yourself hanging out with outside of training, that doesn't seem interesting to you or you don't, you don't like that challenge? It ain't for you?
- [61:46]
Justin Andrews
No, I, I love, I, I, I find people fascinating. I do all people fascinating. So when I would train people I was always so interested in the person and what they did and what made them tick and okay, this person's abrasive. That's interesting. Didn't, it didn't make me angry.
- [62:05]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [62:05]
Justin Andrews
It was more like let's see if I can get this person technique. And I just loved people and that, that's what made the job so enjoyable. It wasn't the fitness that made it enjoyable. The fitness was. You better love fitness if you get into the fitness industry. That's a, that's a, a no brainer.
- [62:20]
Adam Schaefer
That's, you know what I used to, if you tell people career paths like one of the, I just talked about this the other day is you know, what do you find yourself reading at night? You know, what do you find yourself when you're not being paid? What do you, and if you're, if this person is Is that. That would. Based off that advice would be, oh, you should be a personal trainer. But such a good point that maybe you're doing all those things because you're really into it as a hobby. But then you think, oh, yeah, I'm not in. I'm not. I don't see myself holding conversations with someone with different political views than me. Oh, I can't. I don't see me putting up with personalities like that. And like, so you could definitely have this as kind of a hobby, but not like that side of it.
- [62:53]
Justin Andrews
And you have to be very hard to offend. You have to. I mean, I. I mean, I love this story. I just have thick skin. Oh, God. I mean, I remember I trained this. I'll never forget, I trained this general surgeon. He was this old school doctor. And I remember we were working. It's like one of our first sessions might have been like the first fifth workout. And he was warming up and he was super. Right. Right off the gate. Like. Like I could. Like he was abrasive and kind of like, very cynical. Yeah. And he was all. He was warming up and we were talking about. I was asking him questions. He's a general surgeon. I was asking him questions about medications and. And he's like, you know. And I knew he was on a statin because you have to fill out the form on what you're taking or whatever. And I'm like, do you. Have you ever considered taking Coq10? And he looks at me, he's like, what is that? Some like, like magic herb or something like that? And he kind of like, he likes, you know, it's like a snarky. Yeah. Scoffs at me and he, like, keeps going. And I remember it didn't make me upset. I remember him like, kind of laughing inside, like, this is. This guy's hilarious. Right? So anyway, we kept working out and I, you know, I tell him jokes and warm him up. And I remember he came in, I don't know, four workouts later, he's like, well. And I remember he was looking. He didn't want to look me in the face either because it's just his personality. I asked my buddy, who's a cardiologist about that thing you said. He goes, you were right. I should probably start taking it. And after that, he warmed up to me. We became such good friends. But you have to be that kind of person because you're going to be.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah. You can't be offended by that. Yeah.
- [64:09]
Justin Andrews
If you're like this young, liberal college student, you're going to get the old conservative dude who's going to talk about how much he loves Trump like you better be okay.
- [64:19]
Adam Schaefer
And vice versa. So it doesn't matter because you're there.
- [64:21]
Justin Andrews
To help him with fitness. You're not there to agree with everything.
- [64:23]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
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Justin Andrews
So if that's not you, my favorite.
- [64:25]
Adam Schaefer
I my favorite clients were the clients that I same didn't have things in common with that. Like, like because it was what a great way to challenge my own beliefs to lear the other side. Like I'm forced to. I'm working anyways. And so you have to really embrace that totally and be into that if you're going to be good at it.
- [64:40]
Justin Andrews
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- [64:45]
Sal Destefano
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