2696: 6 Ways You Are Destroying Testosterone (Listener Live Coaching)

Summary

Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth

Episode 2696 – “6 Ways You Are Destroying Testosterone (Listener Live Coaching)”

Release Date: October 1, 2025
Hosts: Sal Di Stefano, Adam Schafer, Justin Andrews, Doug Egge

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Episode Overview

In this episode, the Mind Pump team tackles the crucial topic of testosterone—a key hormone for muscular development, performance, and overall health in men (and important for women too). They break down six science-backed ways people inadvertently destroy their testosterone and discuss how lifestyle and diet choices play into this. The episode is packed with actionable advice, myth-busting, and real-world coaching with live listener calls, focusing on common fitness obstacles and strategies for overcoming them.

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Key Discussion Points

1. The Big Six: Ways You’re Destroying Testosterone

1. Poor Sleep (03:02 – 07:47)

• Major insight: Inadequate sleep is arguably the fastest way to tank your testosterone. Losing just one night of good sleep can reduce levels by 15%; chronic sleep restriction can slash it by up to 50%.
  • “Partial sleep deprivation is just restricting sleep to 4 to 5 hours per night for several days…Testosterone, 10 to 30%. So 10 to 30% will lower your...Just one bad night.” – Sal (04:02)
• Notable moment: The team busts the myth that sleep deprivation causes a spike in growth hormone and testosterone: Only cortisol spikes.
• Quote: “Poor sleep kills all the anabolic hormones. All the hormones that are pro…” – Sal (04:54)

2. Eating Too Little (Undereating/Calorie Restriction) (09:50 – 13:15)

• Key facts: Extended low-calorie diets hammer testosterone—acute severe undereating drops it by 10-20%; long-term heavy restriction can cut production by over 40%.
  • “Chronic undereating can bring it as low as 40 to 50%. So this is somebody who’s eating about 1,500 calories a day for longer periods of time...” – Sal (10:24)
• Coaching tip: Avoid aggressive, unsustainable cuts; “reverse dieting” works better—build up calories and muscle before entering a fat loss phase.

3. Sedentarism/Lack of Physical Activity (14:37 – 15:47)

• Even brief inactivity, like bed rest, reduces testosterone (~15%). Consistently walking under 2,000 steps a day? Expect up to 20-30% drop.
  • “Long term, like 2,000 steps or less a day for months or years…you’re looking at 30%.” – Sal (15:25)

4. Nutrient Deficiencies – Vitamin D and Zinc (15:47 – 22:30)

• Vitamin D: Mild deficiency costs you ~15%, chronic deficiency ~30% of your testosterone. Sun exposure is best, but supplements can help in absence of sunlight.
  • “Mild deficiency, about a 15% reduction. Chronic deficiency, 30%.” – Sal (19:18)
• Zinc: Vital for testosterone synthesis. Severe chronic deficiency can reduce levels by 40–70%.
  • “Chronic deficiency in zinc, your testosterone tanks totally…between 40 to 70%.” – Sal (21:11)
• Food sources: Oysters, red meat, nuts, eggs, pumpkin seeds (oysters top the list).

5. Chronic Endurance Training (Especially Long-Distance Running) – The Controversial “Sixth Way” (22:32 – 26:53)

• Data bomb: Endurance runners had lower testosterone than sedentary men—by about 41%! Heavy running signals the body to pare down muscle and thus reduces testosterone.
  • “They compared people who did a lot of endurance running to guys that did nothing…testosterone were similar, about the 41% lower.” – Sal (23:39)
• Key point: Adaptation for endurance comes at the cost of muscle-building hormones.

6. (Implied) Environmental Exposure: Plastics & Toxins (29:44 – 33:41)

• Modern threat: Exposure to “everyday plastics” (packaging, household goods, toys) disrupts hormones, causing chronic inflammation and low testosterone.
  • “Chemicals found in packaging, cosmetics and household items can disrupt hormones, ignite chronic inflammation and lower IQ.” – Sal (30:22)
• Detox strategy: Sweat it out—regular sauna and fiber intake (psyllium husk) help the body eliminate these compounds.

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2. Testosterone Myths and Mindset (06:41 – 09:50)

• Myth busting: High testosterone doesn’t cause aggression; rather, low testosterone can increase irritability and antisocial behavior.
  • “Low testosterone can actually cause aggressive antisocial behavior. High testosterone, not connected to that.” – Sal (08:01)
• Real-life impact: Low T doesn’t just mean less muscle; it means lower drive, motivation, mood, and productivity.
  • “That was the worst part...just the pure lack of drive and motivation toward anything.” – Adam (07:09)

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3. Live Listener Coaching Highlights

a. Grip Strength for Beginners (53:25 – 63:27)

• Key Q: How should coaches handle newbie clients whose grip strength limits progress in exercises?
  • “If I’m working with a general pop client and...their grip doesn’t allow them to go heavier—that’s the weight that we’re using…Over time, the grip gets stronger.” – Sal (57:56)

b. Program Variety for Experienced Lifters – Bored with Bro Splits? (63:38 – 70:53)

• Caller wants: New challenge after years of bro splits; interested in strength and fun.
  • “Normally if you’re into the bodybuilding split, you’re very much so focusing on a static stuff...” – Justin (64:41)
• Advice: Try MAPS Powerlift, follow with Strong and Old Timey programs for a fresh stimulus and challenge.

c. TRT (Testosterone Replacement Therapy) & Aromatase Inhibitors (66:27 – 68:28)

• Caller on TRT, prescribed anastrozole ‘just because’.
• Advice (not medical): Only use aromatase inhibitors if experiencing symptoms of high estrogen, not prophylactically. Best to consult with a knowledgeable physician.
  • “Unless you have side effects of too much estrogen from your TRT, that you stay off of it.” – Sal (67:03)

d. Helping an Older Novice Start Working Out (68:39 – 70:53)

• Tip: Focus on developing a positive relationship with movement, just a few simple, sustainable exercises a couple times a week. Use MAPS Starter as a resource.

e. All-or-Nothing Dieters & Body Comp Plateau (72:20 – 81:22)

• Coaching: “Take your foot off the gas.” Don’t rely just on tracking/calories/macros; eat whole foods, focus on protein intake, and use moderate, sustainable programs like MAPS 15 or Symmetry.
  • “Just let your body kind of sit in that maintenance...slowly get leaner, slowly build muscle, and you’re not going to do these wild swings.” – Sal (81:12)

f. Chronic Shoulder Injury – Immediate Relief from Mobility (83:04 – 90:29)

• Remarkable case: Powerlifter with years of nerve pain finds relief after two reps of a Prime Pro terminal push-up.
• Protocol: Stay with mobility and corrective work (Prime Pro) for months, use low-intensity supportive strength exercise, then gradually ease back.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Think of testosterone as like the dopamine hormone. When it’s low, you just don’t feel like doing much.” – Sal (06:37)
• “High testosterone is a man that tends to be happier and more calm…more balanced hormonally.” – Adam (08:23)
• “Endurance runners, when they gave them HCG, they responded less…Not only do their bodies produce less testosterone at rest, they also responded less.” – Sal (24:52)
• On endurance adaptation: “It represents an adaptive trade-off where lower testosterone helps prevent excess muscle mass that would hinder endurance performance.” – Sal (25:06)
• “You gotta take your foot off the gas, buddy.” – Sal (77:09)

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Additional Insights & Fun Segments

• Hormone Health is Multifactorial: The hosts stress repeatedly that hormone and testosterone health aren’t just about eating, lifting, or one magic variable—sleep, movement, micronutrients, environment, and mindset all play roles.
• Vitamin D & Sunlight: Sun exposure trumps supplements; there may be benefits beyond the vitamin itself (circadian rhythm, mental health).
• Plastics and Detox: Fiber and sweating (sauna use) help eliminate hormone-disrupting plastic residues.
• Coaching Philosophy: Sustainable, progressive habits beat all-or-nothing approaches; relationship with exercise comes before perfection or optimization.
• Myth busting humor: “Put down the bowl of soy!” (03:02)

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Segment Timestamps

| Segment | Timestamp | |------------------------------------------|--------------| | Introduction & Sponsors | 00:00–02:37 | | 6 Ways You're Destroying Testosterone | 03:02–26:53 | | Plastics/Detoxification | 29:44–33:41 | | Listener Live Coaching: Grip Strength | 53:25–63:27 | | Listener: New Challenges for Lifters | 63:38–70:53 | | Listener: TRT & Anastrozole | 66:27–68:28 | | Listener: Coaching a Novice Mom | 68:39–70:53 | | Listener: All-or-Nothing Bulk/Cut | 72:20–81:22 | | Listener: Chronic Shoulder/Nerve Pain | 83:04–90:29 |

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Tone and Style

True to Mind Pump’s reputation, the hosts mix deep expertise with banter and frank, practical advice. They break down complex science into real-world strategies with wit and humor, challenge mainstream fitness myths, and offer direct, supportive coaching—even when it means calling out common mistakes.

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Bottom Line

This episode is an essential listen (or read) for anyone interested in maximizing natural testosterone, avoiding common hormonal pitfalls, and learning how real-world lifestyle changes drive health and fitness results—even (and especially) for those stuck in frustrating plateaus. From science facts to highly actionable coaching, Mind Pump delivers the goods with “raw fitness truth.”

Transcript

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Enjoy the rest of the show, fellas. Low testosterone sucks. Low libido, low energy, low motivation. Zero gains, no muscle. You even gain more body fat. Did you know there's six ways that you could destroy your testosterone? One of them you're probably doing right now. So stop doing it. Get your testosterone up where it should be. We're gonna talk about the six ways backed by data that will crush your testosterone. Let's get into it.

[E]

Put down the bowl of soy.

[B]

Yeah, so. So there's six. And the last one when we get to is gonna be. I'm gonna have you guys guess I'm gonna say this right now just so people, little cliffhanger. The last one is back. They're all backed by data. The last one's very controversial. So wait till we get there, because it's going to blow your mind. All right, so let's start out with the first one, which is poor sleep. Getting poor sleep, arguably the king. Well, I'm going to bring up some data. So I did a little research on all of these, and I knew of these, right? I knew that these ones that I listed, except for number six, which I would have guessed, but when we get there, it'll blow your mind. I looked up. What does the data actually show? How much testosterone does poor sleep actually affect? So we have partial sleep deprivation and chronic poor sleep. Both of those have an effect on testosterone. So partial sleep deprivation is just restricting sleep to four to five hours per night for several days. So, you know, three, four days of bad sleep.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

Testosterone, 10 to 30%. So 10 to 30% will lower your. It'll lower your testosterone by that much if you just have, like, a few days of not great sleep. So you go out, you party with your buddies over, you know, Vegas, and you're gonna come back with crappy testosterone.

[C]

Now, what about the. In the short term, Sal? Like, I know that when we're, like, sleep deprived that we have, like, this spike in growth hormone, right? Which evolutionary. Probably to keep us up to find the hunt, because we're starving. And that's why we wouldn't be sleeping through the night. We'd be still because we need food. So there's a. There's an initial spike in growth hormone. Do we also get an initial Spike in testosterone.

[B]

I don't know if there's an initial. No, I don't think it's growth hormone. I think you see a spike in cortisol. Cortisol gives us energy.

[C]

Oh, I thought we also had a spike in growth.

[B]

No, growth hormone would come from fasting.

[C]

So that you would be fast. That's my.

[B]

You would. But not. Not poor sleep.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. So poor sleep crushes growth hormone. So poor sleep kills all the anabolic hormones. All. All the hormones that are pro. You know, even in the short term, even the short.

[C]

There's not this initial, like, spike to help.

[B]

No, you get a spike in cortisol.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And cortisol is an energy hormone, but it burns everything. Right. But. But I do have a study here that. That looked at one night of poor sleep, would lower by 15%. Just one.

[C]

Wow, that's one.

[B]

Yes. Just one bad night. So it's. It's a killer chronic. Poor sleep lowers it close to 50%. Yeah. So cut your testosterone in half.

[E]

So obviously the chronic's gonna do the most damage because that'll basically. I mean, you're gonna reset your testosterone at that low amount.

[B]

That's right.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And here's the thing with testosterone. It's very. React. All of our hormones are somewhat reactive. Testosterone is a very reactive to your environment type of hormone. There's studies that show that if a man wins a game, it doesn't matter if it's a football game or chess, that it gets a little spike in testosterone if he's in a room with other men and there's an attractive woman in the room. There's some studies that show that testosterone will spike a little bit if he loses a game being competitive or if he feels defeated or whatever. You see a drop in testosterone, it's very reactive to your environment. Natural testosterone, at least if you're on replacement therapy, well, it's always going to be there. But this is just how testosterone works. And testosterone is a very important hormone for both men and women. But we'll just talk about men. When your testosterone is low, you don't just lose muscle mass. Everybody understands that.

[C]

Right.

[B]

You lose muscle. That's true. And strength. That's true. You also lose motivation and drive. Think of testosterone as like the dopamine hormone. When it's low, you just don't feel like doing much. You feel tired and weak. Depressed is quite common. Depression is much more common. Low testosterone, it's a terrible feeling. You ask any. Any man who's gone through a bout of low testosterone and they'll tell you it's not just about the muscle.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, it's terrible.

[D]

Oh no.

[C]

I'll tell you right now, that was the worst part during that period of time was just the pure lack of drive and motivation towards kind of anything. My productivity around work, my motivation to help clean around the house, to get up and go lift. Like it just the drive was not there at all. Really, really tough when you're down in that position to try and get out of it. You know, that's where I do think things like hormone replacement therapy plays such a huge role to help somebody who's in that kind of that spiral down from low testosterone. Really tough to get tell that person to do all the things when they lack that initial drive to even do any of it.

[B]

And aggression, a lot of people think testosterone is tied to like being aggressive or violent. That's not true. Assertiveness, it would be connected to testosterone. Assertiveness is just kind of standing up for what you believe to be a.

[E]

Right or not being a pushover.

[B]

Not being a pushover. But low testosterone can actually cause aggressive antisocial behavior. High testosterone, not connected to that. Now we don't know what crazy levels of testosterone would cause, like what a bodybuilder would use. But when we're talking about healthy levels even at the upper ranges, it actually is a man that tends to be happier and more calm.

[E]

We were more balanced hormonally. Like when you're low testosterone, you're overreactive and more emotional.

[C]

Yeah, this was this. There's a bit of a misconception around that. In fact I was just talking to my brother in law about that. Is that this idea of testosterone causes you to be angry, irritable, aggressive, all this stuff. And then I was like, no, in fact low testosterone can cause you to be all those things as as much really what it is is, you know, more testosterone. Having lots of testosterone to me is like having a healthy amount, not abnormal. Like above is like it makes you just more of the person you already are. Like if you're already a giving, good hearted, sensitive, good person, you get on testosterone, you're more of that.

[B]

You have more the energy and drive, the confidence.

[E]

Yeah, yeah. Supporting that.

[C]

And if you were an before and you take it, you're probably more of an. But you're who you already are. It's not the testosterone in itself that's changing.

[B]

Well in the, in the. When you're talking about natural within natural ranges.

[C]

Yeah, I'm not talking about soup superficial. I'm not talking about the bodybuilder who's taking.

[B]

And I think that's where it's a different thing. That's where we see the, the misconceptions.

[C]

Is the, because this is what we were talking about. My brother and I were talking about hrt. We were not talking about, you know, bodybuilder dose. In fact, very low dose is what I think. 100 milligrams, 150 milligrams. Like, no, that is not even going to put you above the upper limits. You're going to be in the healthy range. Keeping you in the healthy range is a far better strategy than being in low range.

[B]

Here's another one. A lot of men don't know this, but eating too little. Eating a low calorie diet is a surefire way to lower your testosterone. Now anybody who's ever done a prolonged cut would tell you, oh, this, I felt this, like my calories were low after week six or whatever.

[E]

Anabolic.

[B]

No, it's not. And so I got some studies here. Acute, so short term, under eating. So two to seven days of severe caloric restriction, so 1,000 calories or less, reduces testosterone by 10 to 20%.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

Moderate restriction. So half of your maintenance calories for two to four weeks can, can keep it that way, about 15%. Chronic undereating can bring it as low as 40 to 50%. So this is somebody who's eating about 1500 calories a day for longer periods of time, weeks and weeks and weeks. And you'll see it cut their testosterone almost in half.

[C]

Imagine being a really overweight male working out and also cutting your calories. How difficult.

[B]

That's right.

[C]

That is. And now you just made it even more difficult to build muscle because you have a lot of people that decide, you know, hey, I'm 50, 100 pounds overweight, I want to start getting in shape, I'm going to start go lifting weights, I'm going to go for runs and I'm going to cut my calories. And using that as a strategy actually makes it significantly more difficult. Not just because you're in a calorie deficit and it's already hard to build muscle, but then now you're also impacting testosterone levels.

[B]

That's right. One of the reasons why I would say reverse dieting and getting into a cut properly, meaning you're not in these super low calories. Right? You kind of build up your, for lack of a better term metabolic rate, you build some muscle, you build a nice base. Your calories are up higher now you can cut your calories from a higher place. Right. This is the strategy with what's known as a reverse diet. Right. Rather than just taking somebody who needs to lose 30 pounds and just cutting their calories, we'll say, look, first, let's focus on building muscle, getting you strong. Let's see if we can slowly ramp your calories up. Have you gained nothing significant on the scale? Maybe see some body composition changes because you build some muscle, maybe burn a little body fat, and then your calories or your metabolism, again, for lack of a better term, seems to be reacting well, and we get you eating more, then we can cut from there. One of the reasons why I think that's so successful, aside from the reasons we typically explain on the podcast, like it's more sustainable, you fall at a caloric place that's easier. You're not eating so low calorie is because I think it's better for your hormones. You're not hammering your testosterone. You've got good insulin sensitivity, your growth hormone is good. We maintain more of an anabolic hormone profile because when you go into a cut, which is catabolic, you go into a really low calorie situation, especially in. Combined with, like a lot of exercise.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

You start, your hormone profile starts to look not that great, and then you get this crazy plateau and you're like, why am I, Why can't I build any muscle? Why can't I burn any more?

[C]

If you're telling me that you're losing potentially 15 to 20% just by being in a chronic deficit. Right. Meaning somebody who's in a like, which is what happens to somebody who's really overweight, that starts to cut calories by itself is lowering 15, 20. That's not even adding in the person who decided they're going to run every other day and also lift weights and adding that extra stress in that low calorie, I would probably make the guess that it's going to affect it even more significant, which also potentially would affect sleep and recovery, too.

[B]

Oh, so many things.

[C]

So it's just like this snowball effect.

[B]

Hormone profile is so important, and it's. I don't think it's talked about enough when it comes to trying to change your body composition. I mean, health, of course. But let's talk about body composition. A hormone profile that is not. It's not ideal or it's way outside of what would be considered ideal for good body composition. So, like, more muscle, less body fat, kind of an athletic build, if your hormone profile is thrown, is really not great. It is hard. It's a tough, tough battle. And you could put yourself into the kind of skinny fat category because your hormone profile is just not that great. I mean, you take somebody with a poor hormone profile and just change it, even if you do it medically and suddenly you see their body start to respond. So this is something that we need to consider. You know, when, especially coaches and trainers, when you're putting your client these really low cuts and you're beating them up with tons of exercise. By the way, a lot of these coaches that do this get their experience working with bodybuilding and physique and bikini and fitness competitors who take anabolic steroids. So they don't, they don't see this because their, their clients hormones are artificially high. So to them it's like, what do you mean? I put her on an 800 calorie deficit and beat the crap out of her and she got shredded. Why isn't it working on Ms. Johnson? Well, her hormones are starting to respond to it, whereas your other clients, they're artificially keeping them kind of high.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, Next up, sedentary. Being sedentary. So being sedentary, even short term inactivity, like, like bed rest, about 15, reduction in.

[C]

Now, is that, is that just due to lack of circulation and blood flow? And I mean, what is the sedentary part? Why is that impacting hormones or the hormone? Or are you basically sending a signal to your body, we don't need to do anything because we're not doing okay. So like, why do we need this?

[B]

Think if you think of testosterone as a driving is a driving hormone. That's anabolic.

[C]

Right? Why we need to do anything or why do we need more of this? Because we're not doing anything.

[B]

Yeah, your body's adapting because if you're in bed rest for three days, you'll lose muscle. Your body will lose muscle very quickly.

[D]

If you don't move. Yeah.

[B]

So I think that's part of that chronic sedentary lifestyle. Long term, like 2000 steps or less a day for months or years, you're looking at 30%.

[C]

Well, okay, you just said 2,000 steps a day. The average American is only at like 35, 4000. So I mean, that's, that's not, that means a vast majority of people probably fall in that category.

[B]

That's right. That's right. And you know, 20% lower. So I said 30, 20% lower. Like that's the difference between a man being at 700 versus 500. That's a pretty big difference in how that feels. And you know this. If you measure your hormone levels, you know, it makes a decent difference. Now we're going to get into nutrient deficiencies. There's two common ones that have the largest impact on testosterone. We'll start with the first one, which is too low of vitamin D. Yeah, too low of vitamin D. Now, vitamin D deficiency is relatively common. It's not that uncommon in just the average person.

[C]

Did you watch the doctor that I sent over to you that had the controversial take on the vitamin D supplements?

[B]

Oh, I forgot. I did watch it.

[C]

And so what would you say her argument was? It is, it is less to do with the vitamin D and it's actually just being exposed to the sun and what the sun provides for the body in terms of vitamin D versus supplementing from it. So she believes that we. And again, you'll have to dive in through some more of her stuff. But it was sent to me a while back and I kind of went down the rabbit hole of her content. I thought, this is an interesting take. And she thinks that the whole idea of supplementing for vitamin D is kind of is a moot point. And the thing that is more beneficial to that person is actually getting the vitamin D through sunlight. And that's what's actually.

[B]

I would agree with some of that. I think if you.

[C]

I know, I thought that was interesting. I sent it to you because I thought it's an interesting story.

[B]

I remember watching.

[C]

Not like, I don't have a hard stance of like, no, this is wrong. Vitamin D supplements is the way to go. It's like, maybe there's something there.

[B]

I think that there's some truth that if you get it from being from. From sunlight, that's probably the best way. But even if you look at, in natural intakes like you go to the northern European regions where they had very little sunlight for months on end, and they would eat, you know, just basic foods that they ate for thousands of years, like cod liver oil, which had vitamin D, which would solve a lot of these problems. And vitamin D supplementation does reverse the low testosterone that comes from vitamin D.

[E]

Deficiencies, probably other characteristics, you know, that they haven't like quite pinned with getting sunlight, you know, with your cells benefiting from that. But yeah, who knows? But it's still better to supplement than to be deficient.

[C]

I mean, it's. I know it's anecdotal because it's. I'm talking about my own personal experience, but I have to in order to get my vitamin D levels up, I have to supplement quite a bit. Right. So even 5,000 I use wasn't doing it. I had to take, like, 10,000. But I have to say that the supplementing, it never really made me feel different. It made me read different on the test.

[B]

All right.

[D]

But.

[C]

And I. And I recently, you know, since we moved to the new place where I have a pool, I am outside at that pool. It reminds me since I was a kid.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And I feel. I can feel different.

[B]

Sure.

[C]

I feel the energy. And so that's why when I.

[E]

When I think you're charged up like.

[C]

A battery, it does so well.

[B]

So many more benefits.

[C]

Well, I was gonna say maybe. Maybe there's more obviously more going on than just the vitamin D argument there, but I've never been. I've never supplemented vitamin D and actually went like, oh, I feel different, but I 100% have felt the difference.

[B]

Well, I'll give you an analogy. It's like the benefits of eating breakfast, lunch, and dinner versus the benefits of eating it with friends and family. Both of them give you the nutrients. Same food, same calories, same nutrients. One of them has more health benefits because you're with friends and family. I think being outside. There's so many other benefits to being outside and seeing the sun.

[D]

Right.

[C]

Circadian rhythm, all that probably makes me sleep better.

[B]

That's right. That's right. Versus just the one aspect of it, which that means.

[E]

And this has made its way through, like, is the silly thing, but there's somebody else that, like, just did a video about, like, perennial sunning.

[D]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Like, justifying it.

[E]

It's like, it's got a small mucus lining, so therefore, it absorbs more of the sun's vitamin D. People are still selling this, Dude.

[B]

First of all, I don't understand the. The perineum, by the way, is the area. It's in your. In your butthole. Let's just say.

[D]

Yeah, okay.

[B]

So thanks. I'll just say it there. I don't even know. They can't even make an evolutionary argument for it.

[C]

When would your.

[E]

When in nature, our ancestors just, you know, stick their butt up?

[B]

First of all, that would make you extremely vulnerable to, like, predators. Yeah, I would think so. I don't see cavemen. Like, he. I seriously think, you know, my theory around that is. My theory is that's.

[C]

That's because it's wild and extremers who.

[B]

Literally want to just. Just put their butt, like, show everyone. I think. I think so. I think they're seriously, like.

[E]

I think you're right.

[B]

There's a little bit of weirdness there. And they're coming up with stupid. I just thought it's fun. Anyway. Low vitamin D, mild deficiency, about a 15% reduction. Chronic deficiency, 30%. So a big difference in testosterone levels from low vitamin D. Wow. So, all right. Zinc is the next one too. Low of zinc. Zinc deficiency isn't as common as vitamin D, but it's common enough to. When a man has low testosterone, one of the things that a good doctor will do is test and see. Maybe you need some more zinc in your diet. Mild deficiency, 10 to 20% reduction. Chronic deficiency. Here's the deal. If you have a chronic deficiency in zinc, your testosterone tanks totally tanks between 40 to 70%. Wow. Yeah. Zinc is why so much more. With zinc, it is essential for testosterone production. Absolutely essential.

[D]

Wow.

[B]

So you're. If you're chronically deficient in zinc, like, good luck.

[E]

Is magnesium tied to that?

[B]

A lot of times you want to have a balance.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Like a balance with it.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

That's why oysters are so good for your sexual health.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

That's why it's high in zinc.

[A]

High in zinc.

[C]

Oh, interesting. Is it one of the highest, like, nutrient dense? Snake wise?

[D]

I think it's the highest.

[B]

I can look it up. I believe it may be.

[C]

That's funny. This is why.

[B]

Yeah. Look up foods that are high in zinc. Because I don't even know. I just know pennies.

[C]

That's why I look. Pennies.

[E]

It's a pastime of mine.

[B]

I don't even think pennies have zinc anymore.

[A]

I think they have zinc.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

It used to be copper.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Oysters are famously high in zinc. Higher concentration of the mineral than other foods. Let me find.

[C]

Yeah. Give me like top five. Because I'm just curious if there's anything else that we would typically find in our diet. Because as far as I know, that's the. That's like the universal libido.

[A]

Okay, so oysters, meat, nuts, dairy products, eggs, pumpkin seeds.

[F]

Seeds.

[A]

Fortified.

[B]

I get a lot of those cereals. That's fortified cereals, you guys. Lentils, you know. You know, there was a. There's a supplement called zma. Zinc, magnesium aspartate.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

It's been used by you remember this?

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

It's a bodybuilder staple.

[D]

Right.

[B]

Forever. And one of the reasons why some men, literally. I have cousin that uses ema and he's like, man, every time I take it, it's the zinc.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

It's got to be the zinc.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

All right. The Last one is the guess.

[C]

Here we go. Everybody has a guess.

[B]

You guys.

[C]

Don't ruin it.

[B]

No, no, no.

[C]

You just let us guess and then you can give us hints if we're all wrong.

[B]

Okay, yeah, I'll let you guys guess. But I'm just gonna say this. It's. It's gonna cause some controversy, but we got data to support it.

[D]

Let's.

[E]

Let's get controversial.

[A]

My first one's not controversial. It's over training, working out too hard.

[E]

Oh, yeah, that plays a factor.

[B]

It's more specific than over.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

Okay.

[E]

So I say poor relationships.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

I'm going to say losing your job.

[B]

No, no. You guys are all. You guys are wrong. Doug was the closest.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

Oh.

[B]

A study reveals this was published in the European and journal European Journal of Applied Physiology. Okay. They compared long term. Ready for this Running. Ready for this, you guys. It's gonna piss off a lot of people. It does support a lot of what we've been saying for a long time. So that's all okay. That they compared long term endurance runners. Wait, wait. It gets better. Ready for this? With sedentary men. Whoa. They compared people who did a lot of endurance running to guys that did nothing.

[D]

Wow.

[C]

And their testosterone were similar, about the 41% lower.

[B]

41% lower. Is that not crazy? So what they say. You want to hear what they're. You want to hear what they're. By the way, they tested a couple things with this. They looked at.

[C]

Well, there's two major factors that we've already talked about.

[D]

Huh.

[E]

Like weight train or was this pure endurance?

[B]

No, these are just runners. These are just guys that just.

[C]

Well, they're gonna. They're gonna create the calorie deficit that way because they're moving so much. And then the repetitive pounding on the joints, it's probably put them in this recovery trap where they're not ever recovering because they're low calorie and they're pounding on the body for long periods of time. And they go beyond that hour distance where now the body is like. Oh, switched all the way over.

[B]

So here's what they did. They tested their.

[C]

And the paring down a muscle.

[B]

They tested their. Well, that, that last one. So they tested their testosterone levels lower. Then they tried to stimulate testosterone by giving them hcg, I believe is what they gave them. Right. Which is. It is a. It mimics luteinizing hormones. So when your body produces luteinizing hormone, you produce more testosterone. So if you give HCG to a man, he'll produce more testosterone. The Endurance runners, when they gave him hcg, they responded less to the HCG than the sedentary men. So not only do the bodies produce less testosterone at rest, they also responded less to the.

[C]

Why would you respond less to the hcg?

[B]

They argue this is what the researchers were arguing. Do you downregulate receptors what the researchers were arguing? They don't think it's really a negative. They think it represents an adaptive trade off where lower testosterone helps prevent excess muscle mass that would hinder endurance performance. It is an adaptation. So that's in order to be really good at endurance. If that's the main sign and signal. And you just want lots of endurance, no strength.

[C]

You want that dense tissue on, you.

[B]

Carry a lot of weight, too much muscle mass. Look, first of all, as muscle cells grow, it is more difficult to deliver oxygen to them because the surface area ratio to the total area of the cell becomes disadvantageous. So a big strong muscle, they demand.

[C]

More oxygen and you're using so much oxygen.

[B]

That's right. So big muscles, Bigger muscles are stronger muscles. Bigger muscles have less endurance though. They're just less. They don't able to produce as much anaerobic. Yeah, that's right. So it's an adaptation. So like we've said before, lots and lots of endurance training is a competing signal and it tells the body to pare muscle down. And part of that adaptation is lower testosterone. So these men who were active, who are running in comparison to sedentary men had lower. That's significantly.

[C]

That's wild.

[B]

We just did a commercial for not running right now. You know, now there's, there's health benefits.

[C]

Sure.

[B]

You combine it with strength training appropriately. I think it's, I think it's also.

[C]

Actually e in a caloric surplus sometimes.

[B]

And I also think it's a good idea. I don't think it's a good idea to have no endurance. I think that's also terrible for health. And I'll be very clear, go on the record for saying that. But yeah, if you just run and that's all you do, you're going to hammer your testosterone wild. Isn't that crazy?

[E]

That is more justification.

[B]

I thought that was pretty cool. Anyway, I got a funny story to tell you guys. I did such a just a bad dad thing, oh boy, yesterday. This is like classic dad stuff. Like, you know, dad's listening right now. I'm sure we've all done this before where you think you're going to do something and you think the reaction is gonna be funny and then you End up terrifying the heck out of your kid. Yeah, dude. So my kids, my little ones are super excited for Halloween. Especially my two and a half year old. Papa, Papa. It's almost Happy Halloween. Every day she tells me that she calls it Happy Halloween. It's almost happy Halloween. And she's so psyched. And she's gonna be a bunny. And my, and she's worn the bunny costume now a few times in the house. My son's gonna be Godzilla. He's got a Godzilla costume.

[D]

Sick.

[B]

They wanted my wife to be a llama for some reason. So she went, poor Jessica.

[C]

Of all the animals. Ugly ass Loma. Is she really gonna do it? Yeah, she, oh wow. She gets mom award for that.

[B]

So because my son is going to be Godzilla, he wants me to be Godzilla's friend. King Kong.

[D]

Right?

[B]

So I got a gorilla suit. Okay, cool gorilla suit. Comes in the mail, friends.

[C]

Now yesterday you tried it on. You scared your kids, dude.

[B]

I saw it. I'm like, oh, this is great. So I told Jessica, I said, honey, get the phone ready, I want you to record this. So I go in the bathroom and I put on the full suit with the mask and everything. And I come out, boo. My daughter, bro. Traumatized. Oh, Jesus Christ. And then I take the mask off and she's still upset. And then she comes to me and she's like, but you scared me. That wasn't nice. I'm like, I'm sorry, honey, I don't like your costume. Oh, I'm so, so now you're not gonna be able to wear it. Oh my God, what a crap.

[C]

You know? I know, it's so this falls in the, this falls in that category of sar Sarcasm on children. Yeah, they just, it, it doesn't land the same way for your brain processes. Oh, this is funny. Playful. But their brains don't process it the same way. And so anything that you think is fun and teasing is not.

[B]

What did I think was going to happen? What an idiot.

[C]

I know when you think two and a half. I mean looking back now it's like kind of duh.

[B]

I, I, I thought she would kind of be like. And then I take the mask off.

[D]

Haha.

[B]

Yeah, but she just too, she immediately just terrified.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Ran behind her mom and I felt so bad.

[C]

Well now let's see what happens. If you could even put it on now.

[B]

Well, I showed her and I said, I'm gonna put it on in front of you. And I think what I'm gonna do is walk around without the mask on because it's a mask that really scared.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

The hell out of her.

[D]

Yeah. Just terrified.

[B]

What a dummy.

[D]

Dude.

[B]

Poor baby.

[C]

Well, just didn't land dad.

[A]

I've never understood people who intentionally scare their kids.

[E]

Well, that's, that's weird.

[A]

That makes no sense to me.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Where are those kids now? And what's that exactly?

[B]

Therapy.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[C]

Not coming home for holidays.

[B]

She's going to tell that story one day to her therapist. Why don't you like going to the zoo? Oh, my dad would put on a gorilla outfit. It scared the heck out of me.

[E]

It happens.

[B]

I feel so bad. Anyway, I got a study on, on plastic exposure for. Yeah, this is an interesting one. So this was in Science Daily. It was from the New York NYU Langone Health and NYU Grossman School of Medicine. They did a huge review and they found that everyday exposures to plastic poses lasting risks to children. So as if they. If you're exposed as a child to heart disease, infertility, asthma and brain development issues. So these chemicals found in packaging, cosmetics and cotton household items can disrupt hormones, ignite chronic inflammation and lower iq.

[D]

Wow. Yeah.

[B]

So these are all the, like the, just the plastics are supposed to.

[C]

You know what?

[B]

I was thinking about this because I'm like well, you know, we're pretty good in our house with plastics and this and that. Toys, Toys. And I'm wondering now you take all.

[E]

Your kids toys so pervasive.

[C]

Make wood toys.

[B]

Just plastic.

[C]

You should do that.

[B]

Wood toys?

[C]

Yeah, all wood toys.

[B]

We actually buy a lot of wood toys.

[D]

Do you?

[B]

Yeah, we do, but they also have.

[C]

Then they have the paint all over it.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh yeah. I don't know if the paint, the paint. Yeah. I don't know about the paint all.

[B]

Over wood is better than the plastic. And I'm wondering, my daughter loves stuffed animals. I wonder how many. If the stuffed animals. If the threat. If the, if they're like synthetic.

[D]

Sure.

[B]

Materials and stuff.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Cuz what they stuff them with, I'm sure it's like plastic.

[C]

I mean there's, there's, there's got to be, there's got to be a hierarchy of things that, that really make the biggest difference. One, I, I've got to think the, the way you cook and the kids are eating is far, of course, far greater than the, the toys are playing with, I would think. Also water bottles, the hair stuff and everything that you put on shampoo, shampoos and stuff on their skins because it's a huge organ that could absorb. I think if you're, if you're checking probably those big boxes. I imagine you're okay, you know, although none of it's probably great for you.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

But, I mean, come on, you know.

[B]

We did, you know, one of the best ways to. To lack of a better term, detox your body from these things is eat a lot of fiber, and then the other one is sauna use. So we just bought a song.

[D]

I know. That's why.

[C]

That's why I'm excited.

[B]

And my wife's using it. Having kids use it too, so she'll go with them for a little bit.

[C]

Well, I was going to ask what's. What is the stipulation for kids and how long they can. They can get in there?

[B]

She just keeps them in there till they sweat a little bit and pulls them out. She's not trying to, like, push the time or anything like that, but just to get them to sweat, you know, on a regular basis. It's infrared. Infrared is supposed to be better for detoxing than the traditional ones.

[C]

You know, my uncle just sent me a thing on the. The blankets. Have you seen the blankets that are out that are popular now?

[B]

Infrared blankets. Yeah, Sweat.

[C]

Have you seen those?

[A]

I've seen them.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Google them.

[C]

They're like. I think there's a company called Helix, another company. He was asking me about the, you know, how. How beneficial they are. And, you know, I. The one thing I told him is like, you got to be careful with all the red light stuff out there now, because there's so many.

[B]

Oh, no, I'm saying infrared. Not. Not what you're talking about. Therapy is different.

[C]

Well, even the infrared is the same way, too. Is it has to be a certain wavelength to get these same effects?

[B]

No, I don't think so. Yeah. What you're talking about is red light therapy. Infrared. You don't see the. It's just. It's different. It just heats up the body.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

But I think wavelength still matters.

[B]

Really?

[C]

I think.

[D]

I don't know.

[C]

That's why I'm asking you guys. I'm. I was under the impression it's similar to the red light therapy, is that there's a lot of, you know. Yeah. Fake stuff that doesn't.

[B]

I know. It's the sweating. The sweating is what really helps with the detox. So if you're sweating, then it. That makes a big difference.

[A]

This one you're referring to, Adam.

[B]

We don't see it.

[A]

Helix, you don't see it.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah.

[E]

What was the supplement for? Because I know. I was concerned about the microplastics making its way through the brain barrier. And there was some supplement I forget somebody had mentioned to combat that.

[B]

Well, psyllium husk, if you take that regularly, that's a fiber, right?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And that'll help. You know what's funny? There's two supplements I've been taking forever for other reasons that just miraculously probably are saving my butt. Yeah. Creatine. And I've been using psyllium husk for probably 15 years.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

I'll take like 12 capsules a day just for better digestion because of gut issues.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

So it might have saved my butt a little.

[D]

Wow.

[B]

Oh, those are the blankets right there.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

But I mean, wouldn't you be sweating inside of a blanket?

[B]

Yes, that's what. It's the idea.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You lay underneath it and you sweat your butt off. That feels terrible.

[C]

I know. And then. And then. Could you imagine getting in it the second time?

[B]

It's all. It's all gross.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

How do you clean. How do you clean something like that?

[D]

Ew. Does it. Do they.

[C]

Do they throw them in the wash? I mean, I'm so curious because my uncle asked me and I'm supposed to know the answer.

[B]

500.

[C]

No, that's a cheap one. They get way more expensive.

[B]

Really?

[C]

Oh, yeah. They get in the thousands.

[B]

A blanket.

[C]

That's. Okay. So what made. What made me right away go, okay, there's. So there's a massive difference. There's brands that are like 500, then they get up to like 1700, $2,000, and they. So if it's like you have to.

[B]

Lay on a bunch of towels and stuff, otherwise you're going to get your whole bed.

[C]

Well, that's.

[D]

What.

[C]

Also. No, you just. It's like a sleeping bag.

[B]

Oh, it is.

[C]

Yeah. It's a full sleeping bag.

[B]

You better be able to wash that.

[C]

I know. That's.

[D]

I don't know.

[A]

You can wipe it down.

[C]

You can wipe it down.

[D]

Yeah. I think it's a.

[A]

Plastic.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

That's okay. That's the other thing I'd be worried about is when you're using a sauna or something like that is what kind of plastics are they using in it? Because you could be releasing other, you know, chemicals.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

In the air or especially in a. A plastic blanket like that. Right.

[B]

You're right. To us. Now watch. Here's how this works.

[C]

I'm genuinely just asking, curious. My uncle literally just texted me this two days ago. So the fact that you went this direction in infrared and everything like that, I'm like, oh, that makes me bring that up.

[B]

Did you guys see the new Eli Lilly drug that came out?

[D]

No.

[B]

Doug, look up Eli Lilly.

[C]

Oh, the pill form of GLP1.

[D]

That's right.

[C]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[B]

Look up there. It's in phase three. I think their stock. I want to look up their stock. I think it, it really went up after this news or whatever because it's the first. Let me look it up. Eli. Lily. Yeah, dude, the news came out and it went up like, it went up considerably like 30, like maybe.

[C]

Did you buy before. I know you were talking.

[B]

I didn't.

[D]

Oh, you didn't?

[B]

No, I didn't. But they have look up their, their obesity, their new obesity drug that's coming out and see what that looks like. Did you find it? What does that say?

[E]

Or, or forgot every other terrible thing.

[C]

Or for Gillipron or. I can't even say that.

[A]

Or Forglipron.

[B]

Or Forglipron.

[E]

Yes, something like that rolls around, you snorkel.

[B]

What does it say?

[A]

So it's a once a day pill.

[B]

And does it say what it's showing in terms of weight loss and all that stuff? Oh, yeah, there you go. Scroll down. Phase three trials. The highest dose produced average weight loss of 12% after 72 weeks. That's not bad. It's not nearly as strong as the injectable versions which are average about 20 to 25%.

[D]

Huh.

[B]

But it's not in general delivery.

[E]

Yeah. It's a huge. For mass.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

You know, adoption.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

This is, we're gonna, we're one. I, I stand by what I said before. I think probably 70% of. Of the US population, I, it's gonna be on some.

[C]

I agree with you. The part that I am, I'm teetering back and forth on. My opinion was that it would be a net positive.

[D]

Right.

[C]

I believe that it would be a net positive. But I'm also really concerned that if they. That many people take it maybe goes to a net negative. You know, there's no doubt that hire coach, make protein essential, follow a training regimen like the one that we wrote, that's appropriate, that will have massive success and it will be life changing for them. And for that reason I think it's incredible. But if it becomes that popular where everybody's ordering these things left and right pill form and just trying to and doing it, this may change my opinion of this being a net positive. And we'll actually have more negative, which would be so sad because we would then look at obesity dive, but then we'll Be, we'll be talking about under. How under muscled the entire country is and how more dangerous that. And we'll just have cheated one epidemic for another, which would be horrible.

[D]

You know.

[B]

Did you see the other news on this? There was another also published in Science Daily. This was on September 9th from Flinders University. And it showed that there's a hidden pregnancy risk. Okay. So here's why they're saying this. We don't know what the effects of GLP1s are when you're pregnant.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

But what's happening is a lot of these women who are really obese, they start to lose weight from Ozempic. They, they suddenly become more fertile and they get pregnant and this is happening more.

[C]

That's kind of like a. That's not, that's not weird or strange.

[B]

No, but then they're on Ozempic and they're on it and they don't know that they're pregnant for the first however many weeks. And so they're like, you need to give, you need to tell. They're recommending that women are on contraceptive or actively not trying to get pregnant while they're on the zemp because they don't know what the effects would be on a, on a developing.

[D]

Interesting.

[B]

But yeah, there's a lot of women that are like suddenly like, oh my God, I'm pregnant.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, I missed the, this, the smoother transition to talk about. The thing I had written down was when you were talking about running, did you see that the world record was just set for the single mile? Pushing a stroller.

[B]

Pushing. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

No, a real baby is in the stroller and a dude set the record for four minutes and 20. Oh my God. Yeah, dude.

[E]

In a mile.

[C]

A mile. A mile in four minutes. And I want to say 30 seconds. Pushing a baby in the stroller with a real baby. With a real baby in the stroller.

[B]

That seems dangerous.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, bro, that's a race. You're racing with your kid.

[C]

They're, oh, 4, 4, 26. That is wild. When you think about that. It wasn't that long ago when the four minute mile was like broken. The fact that someone could hit with.

[E]

A kid in the stroller and now you're pushing us.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

Pushing a stroller.

[B]

I want to see what this, what this looks like.

[C]

Yeah, it's a legit, legit baby. Took the picture with the baby and everything afterwards I thought, oh, this is interesting.

[B]

I gotta bring this. We should do one. We should do one too. And then we'll push Doug in it.

[E]

Take turns.

[B]

Let's see. See how fast.

[E]

See, he gets the best score.

[C]

Tampa Father breaks breaks world record wow, look at. There's the baby.

[B]

The baby's.

[D]

Yeah. Wow.

[B]

I feel like that's dangerous, though.

[D]

No.

[B]

Oh, what a cute baby.

[C]

I mean, they make the strollers. They make the strollers pretty, so.

[B]

Wow, look at that.

[C]

I mean, how would. It would only be dangerous. The baby started to get up, which I. You know. Well, no.

[B]

What if you fall or something?

[D]

Something.

[C]

Well, even if you fall, you just let go. Just rolls in front of you, just pushing it. It's not going down a hill.

[B]

You know what I'm saying?

[C]

Or a bunch of cars driving by.

[D]

Look at.

[B]

Baby's all strapped in.

[C]

Yeah, there it is right there.

[D]

That's him running it. Yeah.

[E]

I mean, he's moving pretty good.

[D]

Wow.

[C]

But I mean, imagine he falls like nothing's gonna happen. Baby's gonna roll straight ahead for a little bit.

[B]

Yeah, that's pretty funny.

[D]

Yeah. That's a cute.

[B]

That's a cute baby, too. We have one of those straw. We don't have one of those. That's like. That seems like a pretty. That's an amazing catalog.

[C]

You know, Lamborghini and then make. They make. In. Rolls Royce make strollers. Yes, they do. Look up, look up. Rolls Royce stroller. And Bentley makes one. Rolls Royce.

[E]

They have their own umbrellas, too, right?

[B]

You know what that's for? Can I tell you what those scrolls are for? It's like. It's like, ah. When I'm not in my car, how are people gonna know? How they know that I'm. That I'm.

[E]

I have a scarf.

[C]

That's like wearing. That's like wearing the gear, too. That's like wearing the hat.

[B]

I want people to know I have an awesome car when I'm not in the car, too. How do I do that? Yeah, but then you get the.

[E]

People don't even have the car wearing the gear. You're, like, confused.

[C]

Funny part, I think, right?

[B]

Oh, my God. That's a gorgeous stroller. I know.

[C]

It is. It's actually sick. And you can imagine if you see the. The craftsmanship in Rolls Royce is in a league of zone ridiculous. So a stroller.

[B]

How much is it?

[C]

I mean, I'm not gonna lie. I would love to have that, but it would never. Yeah, yeah, yeah, look it up. It's like $5,000.

[D]

Something like that.

[C]

Maybe more. I can't remember what. I saw it one time. I thought, oh, that's crazy.

[D]

Crazy.

[C]

This is sick. Though.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

Tell me that's not sick.

[D]

No way.

[C]

That is.

[A]

Again, that's a hundred thousand.

[D]

Is that right?

[C]

No, it's not a hundred thousand, is it?

[A]

Would you buy one?

[B]

Hold on.

[E]

It's.

[C]

Yeah, I think so.

[B]

Again, this is like, I. I just want. Okay. When I'm walking my baby, I got this problem. I just need people. I need people to know that I have a role, that I have a lot of money.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

What do I do?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, here. Here's a.

[C]

It is kind of cool.

[B]

I just want to walk past a.

[E]

Bunch of homeless people and just, you know, laugh at them.

[D]

Man.

[C]

Did you see? Did I. Did I send to you? I thought I sent to the whole group. I know Sal watched it. Did you watch that guy? I think his name. I think his md. I want to give him a shout out too, because. Oh, Maryland Motivator. I think on Instagram, you got me crying, bro.

[D]

He.

[C]

He finds these homeless people crowdsourcing, like, really positive things. I just. I mean, and I guess to me, we don't talk enough. We talk so much about the negativity of social media and how toxic and bad it is. It's just, you know, and I'm trying to curate my own feed more with stuff like this, you know, and so it's just cool to see somebody with that big of a platform who's going around. Not only because what I don't like, because there's also a trend of going and, you know, handing money out.

[E]

What I'm doing.

[C]

Yeah. Look what I'm doing to get. To get likes and attention. Then there's somebody like this.

[B]

He does it and then he gets a GoFundMe to help. And I mean, he got one you sent me was.

[E]

He goes over and beyond, though.

[C]

Oh, he got a woman and two kids. Two kids. Homeless. Homeless living, living on the street. 750,000. And somebody else donated a car. They got her 10 jobs. They got her daycare. I mean.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Just radically changed that woman's life. Oh, just so grateful.

[B]

The kids were so, like, they were. It was so great.

[C]

Was it MD Motivator Sell or Doug? Are you.

[D]

Did you look it up?

[B]

You sent it to me. I could find it.

[D]

Yeah, Yeah.

[C]

I want to give him a shout out on the page. Not like he needs any more people following. He's got a ton, but I mean, it's still any. Any love we can give. I mean, I. It got me. I donated.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So Zachary Darren now ski.

[C]

Is that MD Motivator, MD Motivator. Right. So MD Maryland Motivator on Instagram. If you haven't watched some of his story at all times, it looks like he's got two or three crowdsourcing things going on. And from what I saw, I've only been paying attention for a while. He's hit every goal he sets. Then he's.

[B]

That's so awesome.

[C]

Yeah. And the goal is based off of the person's needs and how they can help and support. I just think that's all.

[E]

He gets rid of all the red tape and just. It's like, direct.

[D]

Yeah. So cool.

[B]

I gotta tell you guys about a little, like, a negative for one of our partners, Element. Oh, yeah, dude. So, well, it's a personal one, Right. So I'm at home. It's over the weekend, so not here. And I'm like. My wife's, like, tired. She's not feeling good, and I'm like, are you drinking any? She's dehydrated. I can tell. Like, are you drinking any water?

[D]

No. No.

[B]

I'm like, drink some water. She's like, no, we ran out of element. I'm like, honey, you got to be able to drink water that's not flavored. That's the only way she'll drink. She doesn't drink. She had only if it's got some kind of flavor in it, and so it's element. So it's got no calories in it and all that. She loves it. But I'm like, babe, you got to learn how to drink water too.

[C]

Did you see that?

[B]

She literally doesn't drink water.

[C]

They just had a new release. I don't know if we're allowed to talk about it, but I'm going.

[B]

I had to buy some of the store.

[C]

They have the half the can size now. And then they have two new flavors that I saw. I saw a lemonade flavor, and I saw a pineapple flavor. Can't wait to try pineapple.

[E]

Interesting.

[C]

Yeah, pineapple sounds.

[B]

I think she drinks like, three. Three or four.

[C]

I feel so good when I drink those.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

And again, I've said it a bunch of times, but the move is warm. Over a tall glass of ice.

[B]

Yeah, you pour it over the ice.

[C]

Full glass of ice, all the way to the rim. Pour a warm one over it. And warm works better because it's warm enough to kind of melt the ice, and it gives you a nice little blend. And it takes the. Because some people like. It's. It's. If you're not used to taking an electrolyte, the salt and the Salt content. Yeah. And so if. I mean, I like that, but not everyone.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

So the move is I think to put it over ice like that. And I think that it just diluted.

[B]

We gave this to our friend. She's in her. She's about to have a baby in a few weeks and she was having trouble whole because just the way she was feeling. And then element made a huge difference.

[C]

Katrina used it when she was breastfeeding.

[B]

It hasn't made a big difference.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

With milk production. Yeah, huge difference.

[C]

That's awesome.

[E]

I ran across this article from Forbes and it was talking about all the billionaires that have died this year.

[C]

Oh, I saw you share that 31.

[E]

I just thought. I was just astonished by that because first of all, there's not a lot of billionaires.

[D]

Right.

[E]

Like, I mean there can't be. I mean you could probably count in the maybe hundreds.

[D]

I would.

[E]

I would assume that's a good question. I don't know how many, but it just seems like a small population of we do people to begin with.

[C]

We do have a lot more billionaires than we used to. Now. Well, now I believe Covid made a bunch. Yeah, I believe.

[B]

I think you know how big the wealth transfer was.

[D]

Oh, yes.

[C]

Well, that was the largest. That was the largest wealth transfer in history. Happened during COVID So which think you went that direction. So curious to what everybody thinks is going. You saw the Fed. Did you see the Fed drop lower rates again? They came out also and said they're going to lower two more times by end of year.

[D]

Wow. Oh, wow.

[C]

So now we're not going to see. I don't think we're going to see three and a half interest rates like we did before. In fact, they. A lot of economists came out and said like we would have to go into a. A massive recession for them to do that again. But they'll also buy and that's how they'll keep us from going. This is why I believe in the next two, three years we're going to see another run again is because I don't think they're going to let. What did it say? Here's the billionaires that died.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

There's 31 and the average age was 85.

[D]

Okay. Okay.

[C]

How many. How many billionaires are in the world?

[D]

Yeah, I want to see that.

[B]

You guys want to guess? Do you think it's over a thousand?

[C]

Yes.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

If I had to guess at this point of like digitally, 3400 is my guess.

[B]

You probably already know.

[C]

I don't know.

[D]

I Don't.

[C]

Yesterday. I swear to God. No, No. I don't even know. I could be way off.

[D]

I'm just.

[B]

I would say I. I think it's. I think it's under 5, 000, so.

[E]

Yeah, I would agree.

[B]

How many?

[A]

3,028.

[B]

I swear to God I didn't know.

[C]

I'm sure I. I'm sure it found.

[E]

Its way there somewhere.

[C]

I mean, this. You're in my content wheelhouse here. So I definitely. Probably have read it before. And I. And it was. It was higher than I thought. I thought like you. I thought there was less billionaires. And then I remember seeing it going, yeah, oh, there's a lot more than I thought.

[B]

What are the odds?

[E]

Still 31 out of like 3,000. That's 10% crazy.

[B]

Is that 10%?

[C]

Is that right? Is that 1% of the world?

[A]

1%.

[C]

1%. So 1%.

[B]

So hold on. So if you could squat 400 over 400 pounds, you're. It's. It's more rare to squat over 400 pounds and become a billionaire. Is that correct? Compare the two.

[C]

How many? No, there's more people that could squat.

[B]

Over £400 than billionaires?

[C]

I think so. Well, is there more? Yeah, then over 3,000 people.

[A]

3,000 people?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Definitely.

[D]

Yeah. So. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

So America has 614 billionaires.

[E]

614.

[B]

China has 388.

[D]

Okay. Wow.

[B]

It's crazy. In some countries it's like 30.

[D]

That's the most. Yeah.

[B]

That's wild. So it's China and the US have the most billionaires. Who's third?

[C]

It looks like third is 107 right there.

[B]

What is that?

[C]

Germany.

[E]

Germany.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Germany with 107.

[D]

Wow.

[C]

Wait, no.

[D]

Asia.

[C]

Oh, Asia. All together is seven all together.

[E]

Because India is one of the UAE.

[A]

Would have a lot of those.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Where's UAE? I can't see it.

[D]

I'm looking.

[A]

I can't see it here either.

[C]

Yeah, that's a good point, Doug. I would actually think there would be a lot more over there.

[A]

Four, according to.

[B]

They probably have a lot of sent to millionaires.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Do they even report, you know, a lot of these, like, oil gajillionaires?

[B]

I don't know if I'm not mistaken. I think if the new deal. Wasn't there supposed to be some new deal that was going to happen with Tesla, that it would give, I think, Elon, his wealth would exceed a trillion.

[C]

He's already over a trillion. Yes, he is. Elon and Bezos are over a trillion.

[B]

No, they're not.

[C]

Yes they are.

[D]

Look.

[B]

No way.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

I don't think anybody's a trillionaire.

[D]

No.

[C]

Yes sir.

[D]

Yes sir.

[C]

Pretty sure the Apple cross. Pretty sure both. The both of them company.

[B]

But I'm talking about a person.

[A]

According to this 480 billion.

[B]

There you go.

[A]

Bezos is 243 billion.

[B]

I told you nobody's been a trillionaire yet.

[D]

I could have sworn.

[C]

Well, that we know of.

[E]

Yeah, the unreported.

[C]

I mean a lot of that by the way too is like, you know, it's interesting.

[B]

It's not money.

[C]

It's not.

[B]

It's of course not.

[C]

It's valued. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which that, that can be. That's a. And by the way by my. I mean he's still got Ubers. Ubers amount of revenue. But there's a huge difference. This was I remember I tell telling you guys how fascinated I was being around the startup world and the way people talk about money, it's like oh yeah, our company's valued at you know, 170 million. And it's like they're not but they're.

[B]

Not making any money.

[C]

Yeah, but you cash flow only this much starts like. Yeah, but you know, I mean I was, I had, I was not aware of that. And so I'm, I'm less impressed with those inflated numbers than at finding out what somebody actually cash flows.

[E]

They actually have it in the bank.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. There's a big difference.

[B]

What's crazy, it's interesting when you look at markets and how fast they move these days and change and I was thinking about just our space. Right. Fitness, nutrition. I remember it wasn't that long ago that just organic for example was hard to find. You guys remember that when.

[D]

Oh yeah.

[B]

Anything organic you had usually go to.

[C]

A special grammar market where every grocery store has it now.

[B]

Now Costco, it's like a major segment in every grocery store even in Walmart. Grass fed meat is another one. Grass fed meat used to be the standard. Then it became, you know everything was you know with grain and it was hard to find grass fed meat. Now grass fed meat is such a big market like butcherbox since we started working them has exploded.

[C]

Oh I mean they've so much that there's other people the competitors market with to them it used to be like they were it. There wasn't a lot of people that were even doing that that were shipping like countrywide like where now you're seeing competitors pop up left and right. I mean obviously the market's speaking up you know that that's what, what people want. I noticed now that now the big thing to ask though is like is this stuff really true grass fed? Because, because it's become so popular in the market then you're going to have all the, you know, grifters too that find loopholes to get under, get grass fed certified just in that window.

[B]

Yeah, Butcherbox does a really good.

[C]

Well yeah, they're, they're grass fed gr.

[B]

They go and they really make sure the people they work with are legit. And you could tell, you could tell you get a tri tip from Butcherbox, you get a tri tip from the store. It doesn't.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

And these regenerative type farms and I eat.

[B]

How much beef do you guys eat on a daily basis would you say? Because you guys are all eating a lot of beef?

[E]

£3 lb.

[B]

Me too. Same thing. If I go, I notice a difference in inflammation and just overall energy. If it goes when you're at that.

[E]

High of volume it makes a difference.

[B]

It makes a huge difference. It's the fatty acid profile for sure. I'm just more inflamed if I eat just traditional beef versus grass fed. So it makes it, you know, like I said, I notice a pretty big difference.

[D]

Yeah, I agree.

[B]

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[A]

Our first caller is Dominic from New Jersey.

[B]

Dominic, what's going on?

[E]

What's happening?

[G]

Hey. Hey guys, how are you?

[D]

Good.

[B]

How can we help you?

[G]

Yeah, big fan. Thanks for having me on. So wanted to pick your brain a little bit about helping people that are new to fitness and a fitness routine with the growing pains of grip strength being the limiting factor when they're doing different exercises like squats and hinges and things like that.

[B]

Okay, so there's questions about grip strength.

[G]

Grip strength, yes, I've tried. You know, currently I have in my programs different carry variations. I have one of the grip testing machines so they can track progression as they go. Just wanted to see if you guys had any suggestions on how to help develop grip strength a little bit.

[B]

How long have you been Focusing on grip strength.

[G]

I've recently opened a new business about. It's been eight months now, and we have a large influx of new people to fitness. So I've been coming across that hurdle more frequently. So now it's very consistent. In every single workout, every single program, I try to throw in some type of grip shrink developing exercise.

[B]

Oh, I see. It's for your clients. I'm sorry, I misunderstood. Okay. Okay, so there's a couple, couple, couple ways you could look at this. Okay, I'll reposition the question because I think when we say the grip is limiting me, we somehow view the grip as something different than, let's say my low back is limiting me me or my hip flexor is limiting me. And this is because of the influence of bodybuilding. So bodybuilding has made the conversation around the grip as if it's not part of the kinetic chain. You just take the grip out of it, use wrist wraps, and now you're all good. So let me rephrase the question. Somebody's trying to do squats with you, you're training them. Their low back doesn't allow them to go heavier because they lack stability. Well, what do you do? Do you go heavier?

[D]

Now?

[B]

You. That's the weight, that's the weight you can use. So when you're limiting factor, that's it. Right. So if you're training clients and their grip is given out well, that's the weight that they can use. And slowly over time, the grip comes up. There's a tremendous potential for strength in the grip. You could see rock climbers, for example, or athletes that don't use aids with their, their hands are incredibly incredible. And I think at the, at the top, top, top, top level of strength, athletes where they're allowed to use things like wrist straps, like, you know, I don't know who it was that just deadlifted a thousand pounds or whatever. Was it half sore? Yeah, like that's, he's doing a specific lift that's allowing wrist straps. But for the average person, if they can't hold the weight, then the, that the weight that they're using is, is that's the weight. That's what we're gonna work with.

[C]

Also consider this, right? So we did. We've done whole episodes on how to improve grip strength, and there's specific exercises and techniques and things you can do. But it's like if I'm a trainer and I have clients that are limited by that, and I'm also only getting to see them once to three times a Week. I'm probably not taking a lot of my time up with them doing a lot of grip strength exercises unless they have a very specific goal. They're rock climbers or their, their, their job requires it or that's a different situation. But the average person, if they're just limited by going up in deadlifts because their grip strength, that's the weight they're going to be at. And I'm going to choose other exercises and movements that are bigger bangs for their buck. For the average person, I just, because their grip strength is down, I wouldn't take one of the three days they lift with me. And it's like we're gonna focus all on grip strength because that's a limiting factor in your deadlift. It's like, yeah, but now I'm taking away from other things that are going to give them way more return in the longevity, body fat.

[D]

That's right.

[C]

All other things, pursuit. And so you as a coach and trainer, gym owner, you have to, you have to juggle that. It's like, yeah, you may have in your tool belt some other exercises they can do to build grip strength, but it's like, like, so what, are you going to drop out? Are you going to, are you going to drop out another exercise that is far more beneficial for them just so you can get 10 more pounds on their deadlift? Yeah, that's not worth the training.

[B]

That's a good point. You know, because I, I rarely ever did grips specific strength training for my.

[C]

Clients unless it was, I mean, you're.

[E]

Doing carries, which I think there's, yeah, there's a lot of value to that. And really it's about exposure and it's like frequency of, you know, just, just holding weights in general and then the variation of, of the different handle grips and you know, the crush, the pinch, like, I mean you could get creative with all that, but really it's just like grabbing weights and holding them for a bit. So it's, you know, over time their grip is naturally going to get stronger as a result of that exposure.

[B]

That's right, yeah. If I'm working with a general pop client and we're doing deadlifts and their grip doesn't allow them to go heavier. That's the weight that we're using. And over time the grip gets stronger and it does it. I mean, you have to follow the, the limitations of the body when you're talking general pop. Now if somebody's going to be training for a specific goal like bodybuilding their extreme high level, crazy Volume or they're going to compete in an event that allows them to use wrist straps. That's a different conversation. But general pop. It's like. And it really only limits you on mainly deadlifts, maybe some pulling movements, but it's. But then that's the limiting factor. And it catches up very quickly.

[E]

It does, yeah.

[B]

It catches up very, very quickly.

[D]

Yeah.

[G]

It's just. Members have had some frustrations to feel like they can lift more than what they can hold on to. But I'll. I'll reword how I'm exactly responding to them.

[B]

If someone says to you, I feel like I can lift more, but I can't hold on to it, then your response is, that's how much you can lift.

[D]

Yep.

[B]

That's the way.

[C]

That's part of the process.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Strengthen everything up.

[B]

That's right. Use another part of the body. I feel like I can lift more, but my low back hurts. Well, that's how much weight you can move. Same thing.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[G]

Run to the issue. I have people that work. Your typical office worker.

[D]

Right.

[G]

And they have carpal tunnel symptoms and things along those lines.

[D]

And.

[G]

Same idea.

[D]

It's.

[G]

The limiting factor is just holding the weights in their hands. So just trying to find different creative ways to reword those complications, the barriers that they're experiencing.

[B]

Carpal tunnels.

[G]

I try to disguise it, if you.

[B]

Don'T mind me just commenting on that. Carpal tunnel. Wrist mobility. Myofascial release of the. The forearm flexors and extenders and then myofascial release up here in the traps. Galenes neck area. That's like a fix almost every single time. So I would work on articulation. We would do a little bit of strengthening, and then I do, like, real deep myofascial release on the forearms and up on the neck. And it would, like, solve it.

[D]

Yeah. Okay.

[G]

Just like hand massaging on the forearms.

[B]

That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's it. Yo. Deep pressure. Almost like using like a foam roller.

[C]

Lacrosse ball is good for this.

[D]

Yeah. Yep. Yeah.

[G]

I. I have the cross ball for, like, the. The traps up top, but for the forearm. I've never used them for. For the forearm, you don't have to.

[B]

But it's similar in the sense that you're adding pressure. So when you're pressing out what you're pressing out into the wall. That's right. You're pressing where the insertion is near the elbow. So I would. I would. I would stretch the. The extender here. And I'm, you know, I'M going to be pressing on the brachioradialis muscle while it's stretched and we're going to press on it, work on it.

[C]

Remember that company, There's a, there's a really cool. If you have a lot of clients that you're that have this and it may be worth it. Worthwhile investment for your gym. It's not that expensive. There's like a tool I forget to come. Remember we had them, we have them with that.

[B]

You put your arm in it.

[C]

Yeah, we put your arm in. It's a big plastic thing and it had the, it had the like the, the ball and the pressure. You guys remember those? Yes, we. Someone clamp on it.

[B]

That's right.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

So I mean that's. And I think they're relatively inexpensive and if you have that many clients that are needing it, they. That way they could do it to themselves. Obviously if you're going around massaging every single one of your clients, you're going to be exhausted from that and that's not realistic. And so having a tool that they can access and then giving the advice that Sal just did is like here's your wrist cars that you do to warm up. Here's your self myofascial release ball ball technique thing. And then like that's your routine. That's what you do before we get started. Like that just becomes their warm up. They can do on their own time. Teach it one time and then that's. That's what they do.

[G]

Got understood.

[D]

Thank you.

[G]

Really appreciate it.

[D]

Yeah. Right on.

[B]

Thanks for calling.

[G]

Yeah, big fan.

[D]

Thanks again.

[C]

All right.

[D]

Appreciate it.

[B]

Yeah. My, my. In my personal experience, my success rate with carpal tunnel was 100. I actually never had a client who suffered from it that we didn't make it.

[E]

Yeah, a lot of it.

[C]

You know this, this question brought something up for me that I've my mind several times and I've never really addressed it on the show is because we've done a lot. One of your more viral videos was a forum thing. We've done episodes dedicated to former forearm strength and we give all this great tips and advice. But the reality is when, when I was training clients very rarely ever did I really focus that much on that because when I'm training the average person who doesn't have a very specific goal related to forearms there that all that forearm training replaces something else. And so it's like.

[B]

Or it's just too much.

[C]

Yeah. I mean or one of the one either you pilot on what you're Already training or you take away from things that are just far more valuable. And I know that if my client just keeps doing deadlifts and keeps doing shoulder presses and keeps doing farmer walks, the grip strength will eventually catch up.

[B]

100 the people, the people that gain value out of grip training and strength training are typically advanced and in the subcategory are people who've avoided strengthening their grip for years. And now they're like I could deadlift £500 but I can't hold on to it without wrist straps. What do I do? Okay, you gotta.

[C]

Or maybe somebody who has a very specific goal or job that requires that because then that becomes a different type of client and different type of priority.

[E]

They're already strong in their grip and they're trying to improve it more then we.

[C]

We pursue exactly specific because they have. So like when we do episodes like that I'm kind of, we're kind of speaking to that small minority of people. I really wouldn't recommend like full on forearm training for one of your three days in the gym working out. It's just like it's gonna impede on the whole rest. Yeah, exactly. It's not gonna. All the other things for the general pop will will give you way more bang for your buck than you know, a whole session of forearm training.

[B]

Yeah. Back to the carpal tunnel sometimes no joke man. When they would get work on up here on the neck area scalenes attract like that would solve the issue.

[D]

Yeah, it's great. Yeah.

[E]

But it's all connected.

[A]

Our next caller is Remy from Washington.

[B]

How's it going Remy?

[E]

What's happening?

[H]

Hey, how you guys doing?

[D]

Good.

[B]

How can we help you?

[H]

Oh basically. Well first like everyone else, love your guys content. I've gotten a lot of good info from it and passed it on to other people and also passed your podcast on to other people.

[B]

Thanks.

[H]

Basically I've been working out for about 15 years, five to six days a week. Always do the bodybuilder bro split. Starting to get bored doing it. So I was hoping you guys could point me in the direction of something that would challenge me and still be fun for me to do. I'm 5 7, about 185, about 10 body fat. I'm a tile contractor so I am lifting consistently throughout the day as well.

[D]

So.

[H]

Yeah, that's about it for me. I was just hoping I could get.

[C]

How open to doing something really unique. Right. Because normally if you're into the bodybuilding split, you're very much so into focusing on a static stuff with Somebody with us. All right.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

We don't want to stray too far.

[B]

How far away?

[C]

I was thinking the exact same thing. I was like, I know what I want to say right away, but let me make sure I don't go too far.

[E]

You preface this.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

How far away from what you're used to are you willing to go?

[I]

Well, I was.

[H]

I just went to a CrossFit class to try that, so.

[B]

Pretty far.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, I mean, there's two places we go. I'm thinking either Maps Strong or Maps Old time.

[C]

Old timey would be cool.

[B]

Old time's very different. You're going to be following a routine like the bodybuilders of the turn of the century.

[H]

So those are the two that I was kind of thinking about, just without a program at first. I've been looking at powerlifting stuff. So those two, I think would kind of fit where I'm thinking.

[B]

Yeah, well, powerlifting is very specific. And I mean, if you like powerlifting, that's great.

[E]

Power lift.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

If you like squat deadlift and bench, if you've never really focused on getting.

[C]

Those weights up, still get a lot of aesthetic benefit too, right? I like power lift. Maybe we go to. That's a happy medium, perfect world. We go power lift. And then if you. That you have. You enjoy that and have fun with that, then move it to stronger old time. That would be the nice next six months for you of training.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

And we'll.

[H]

I'm on a bulk right now.

[C]

Oh, yeah. Bulk on power lift right now would be amazing.

[B]

We'll send it to you.

[C]

We'll send power lift to you right now.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

Follow that on your bulk and then.

[H]

Strong, then purchase Strong.

[C]

Yeah. Either strong or old timey. Either one of those two. Both. And then if you're really down, go run all three of those in a row like that. Those would be a beautiful power lift Strong Old timey. You're gonna look jacked. You're gonna be strong, and you're gonna feel amazing, especially after old timing.

[H]

Okay, thank you for that.

[D]

I had.

[H]

Can I ask two more quick questions?

[C]

Sure.

[H]

I'm on TRT right now through a clinic, and they have me prescribed anastrozole and I take 0.5 milligram a week. I've kind of read things about that being not as good for you and you shouldn't be on it consistently.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, that's a question. That's a question for your doctor. But. But I could tell you what some of our doctor friends have told us and what they've said is unless you have side effects of too much estrogen from your trt, that you stay off of it.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

So unless you're noticing side effects is what they would say.

[C]

So just so you know, I struggled with this a lot because I was really sensitive to gynecomastia. And I had to take it for a really long time. What got it under control, and I haven't taken it now in, I think a year and a half, almost two years. And I was. I was taking it on a semi regular basis.

[B]

You stopped watching Hallmark movies.

[C]

Really, it was just the. The right schedule of dosing was. Was what it was like. Admittedly, I was inconsistent with my shots and time and everything. And it made a world of a difference to be like. And mine ended up being every five days. Every five days. And first thing in the morning at the same time. When I really discipline myself to get really consistent with that, that it started to level that out really nicely for.

[H]

Me so that I'm pretty consistent. I do what, a hundred mil? 100mg, Tuesday morning and Friday morning.

[D]

Okay.

[H]

So I'm pretty consistent with it when I start. When I went to the clinic and got on it, they didn't. They just put me on an astrosol.

[C]

Oh, you had no side effects?

[D]

None.

[C]

Get off this.

[B]

Tell your doctor first.

[C]

We're not doctors. I can't tell you that. Yeah, if I was you, I would get off of that. That's hypothetically, let me say it better. If it was me, I would. I would drop it for the reasons.

[B]

You have concerns if you notice side effects and talk to them about it.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[H]

That's what I've heard a few people telling me and using chat GPT and all that stuff now is kind of pointing me in that direction. Not to pop it like candy.

[B]

That's right.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[H]

Okay, well, then I'll talk to my doctor about that. And then the second one I have is my mom is wanting to get it, wanting to get healthier. She's overweight. She's 68, I believe. I've had her come to the gym with me a few times and like, just focused on like big compound lifts. Just even. Right now I was practicing with her, just getting range of motion on body weight squats, and she has to like, hold on to a wall to do them.

[D]

That's good.

[H]

What, should I just continue with that? Just trying to have her get her steps in and that's really good advice.

[C]

That's really good advice, Remy.

[B]

Let me Ask you. So she's not. She didn't work out before, right? This is new to her. No, never. Here's what you could do. Because the most important thing when you're training somebody who's brand new, the most important thing is to help them develop a relationship with fitness where they enjoy it. The second most important thing is that they do it right. But the relationship part is first. So what I would recommend is that you go to your mom's house and you take her through three or four exercises twice a week.

[C]

I'm gonna have Doug also give him map starter.

[B]

There you go.

[C]

Give him map starter and pull from there. There's great movements for her to incorporate and not to cut Sal off like I did, but that's the perfect advice, is take from that program a couple exercises and you can do them at home.

[B]

Just a pair of dumbbells and a physio ball.

[C]

Yes. And it's less about following the routine to a T. It's like introducing it. A few of those to her. You. If you get her walking more, that's it. Doing body weight squats, doing a couple of those exercises consistently during the week. You're winning, bro.

[B]

And then you wait for her to tell you, I want to do more.

[C]

I feel good. Yes.

[B]

And then you add a little more.

[D]

Okay, I will.

[H]

I will continue to do that with her. It's hard. The hard part is getting her, like, I. I have such a wonky schedule that meeting me at the gym is kind of hard for her to do, But I never thought about just grabbing a pair of dumbbells and bringing it to her house.

[B]

That's it, dude.

[C]

That's it.

[B]

She probably wants to spend time with you anyway. And it'll develop. Develop. She'll develop this great relationship with it.

[C]

And I'm giving. And I'm giving you a map starter, so when you're not available, she could watch the videos. There's a. There's a follow along routine on there. She can literally put it up on her TV and follow it along in her living room.

[H]

Okay, thanks for that. To clarify, I should start with power lift, then do strong, then old timey, or is that.

[D]

Yep.

[B]

No, that's a good order.

[C]

Perfect order.

[H]

Okay, cool.

[D]

Yes.

[H]

Well, I think that's all my questions. I'll talk to my doctor about the anastrozole and kind of go from there.

[D]

All right, man.

[C]

Awesome, dude.

[B]

Thanks for calling.

[I]

All right, cool.

[D]

All right, Remy. All right.

[H]

All right. Thank you, guys.

[D]

Yep.

[B]

Yeah, I had to stop you there. I know you Never know.

[C]

No, no, no, you're right. I'm glad you checked that because that's just my knee jerk reaction.

[B]

No, bro, get off. What are you doing? There's something you could have done that's.

[E]

Hard because it's like you're talking to a friend, you know?

[B]

You know, generally speaking, we're not, okay, we're not doctors, but generally speaking, that is. That medication has some pretty nasty potential long term effects. And so unless it's needed for side effects.

[C]

Yeah, most forward thinking doctor friends have told us I had side effects. So it's funny he would. I went down the same rabbit hole.

[B]

Of like, because it can crush.

[C]

I started googling all the, all the bad side effects from him, like, oh my God. And then I remember talking to one of the doctors like, yeah, you really should limit it or not take it if you don't need it. And I'm like, well, I kind of need it, because I was. And so I really worked on getting my dosing right and that started to keep. Keep the symptoms down. And as soon as I kept the symptoms down, been on. And I haven't used that in probably a year, year and a half and higher.

[B]

Estrogen, if your testosterone is higher, is okay. It's the ratio. There's a ratio that's important. It can get out of hand. But what you don't want to do is crush estrogen. That'll kill you. That'll feel like dog crap. You can have high testosterone, no estrogen, and feel like you have no testosterone.

[A]

Our next caller is Joe from Utah.

[B]

Joe, what's up?

[C]

Hey, man.

[E]

What's up, Joe?

[F]

Hey, guys, thanks for having me.

[B]

Yeah, give us the update. Yeah, let's see.

[D]

Update.

[F]

Awesome. Yeah. So about a year and a half ago, I called in after breaking up with an online coach. He had me down about 21, 20, 300 calories. And you guys suggested maps, Anabolic and a reverse diet. And so I ran with that and I'd love your feedback. Just what went well, what I did wrong, I guess, and what I could.

[B]

Do better moving forward.

[F]

So condensed version of the last year and a half finished anabolic ended up gaining 10 pounds of dropping body fat slightly down to 19%. Added about 5 to 7 pounds of muscle from an inbox scan. Some of that's probably lost from the coach or gained back from working with the coach. But I also added an inch on my waist. I started old time, went too fast on the reverse side, still added another inch to my waist, but got calories up to 3, 800.

[D]

Wow.

[F]

Injured my low back playing a pickup game. Rehabbed with Matt's 15 style for a couple months and then worked back to full training. Started symmetry to focus on my low back and hips. I've had issues with them for a while, not just that recent injury.

[D]

Sorry.

[F]

And then I tried to push 4, 000 calories but it was hard to eat that much. I gained a lot of fat really fast. Gained another inch on my waist. I did have some poor sleep and I was sick a couple times during that time, so that might have been a factor. So I freaked out. Went down to 2,500cal for a few weeks, lost that inch, but then plateaued. Reversed out of that, finished symmetry, did performance and started old time again. And this time I reversed back up to 3,900 calories, gained 10 pounds but only a half inch on my waist this time and consistently got stronger through those three programs. I just tried a 2-800-calorie cut for four weeks, lost zero inches. But an in body scan said I lost three pounds of muscle and three pounds of fat and went up in body fat. And then the last two weeks to bring us home, I've been frustrated. I haven't been as dialed. So I've fluctuated eating around 25 to 3400 calories. And I know I've had a few low protein days, but I've actually lost two more pounds and my waist finally moved for a quarter inch. So right now I'm sitting at 255, 6, 4, 35 years old, data three, going through an adoption. So actually four soon. We're excited about that.

[D]

Great. Great. That's awesome. Yeah.

[F]

Thank you. Sleep is decent, probably about seven and a half hours a night. I just did some blood work which wasn't great. Really high cholesterol, low HDL, borderline high A1C and then lower testosterone. I'm stronger and more mobile. I can get into a full squat now than I was last year. But I am up to the 24 body fat which I sort of cringe at. And I feel like I sort of just adapt to the calories. I end up the same version of me, right? Higher or lower. So I'd love to accomplish some goals and actually see some progress in the mirror. So I listed out some priorities for you of where I'm at and like to get you guys thoughts. So number one is just get pain free. My low back and hips, I'm extension sensitive. Sometimes the pain's on the spine, sometimes it's on the ql Sometimes it's on hip. I know I've got some discrepancies with my left side, which we can go into if you want. But that's what drove the last three programs of old time performance and symmetry. Number two is drop down to 15 body fat just for health performance. The testosterone, snoring, anesthetics. I'm just sort of sick of having the extra belly fat around.3 raised testosterone. The recent test was 36412 years ago. I'd actually done a test because I felt low then and I was at 694. So definitely not optimized there. Not open to HRT right now, but definitely wanting to. To figure something out there. Fourth would be strength. Just because of the injuries. I've never really been able to push that. I feel like there's a lot left on the table there aesthetically. Shoulders, abs, upper upper chest, arms. Just all the beach muscles, I guess all need some help eventually. Like to reach 10 to 12 body fat. And then lastly, I'd love to be able to just play a pickup basketball game and dunk again.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Hey, Joe, is there. Is there anything. Is there anything we missed? Is there anything we missed?

[B]

Hey, yeah, Joe, you gotta take your foot off the gas, Joe.

[C]

Yeah. Hey, by the way, like even what you want, it's like so obvious to you didn't do bad by the way. You did pretty good. You're definitely like all full throttle or not guy though. You could tell. You could very you. Like you. If you would have just kind of eased into the rivers diet a little more, you probably wouldn't have put on as much body fat along the way.

[B]

You got to take your foot off the gas, buddy.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's like. And I'm interested to know what you're eating in this reverse diet because of your HDL A1C and blood lipids. Like, how are you reverse dieting? What do you. What are you eating in that?

[D]

That.

[F]

I would say I'm 70% clean, 30% not. I don't eat out a lot, but biggest weakness I think you guys just did an episode on this was like probably like the treats and snacks that are mostly hanging around the office. Yeah, it all fits. Quote, unquote, macros. Right. But there's the. The problem with that.

[B]

Yeah, I knew it. I knew it. I knew you were. You were doing the whole calories and macros thing.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

What you're eating makes a difference with all of this. So I would stay away from that. What the 30%. It's probably more than that. But fine. 30%. Still a lot. We got to get your blood lipids looking better and take your foot off the gas. I would live in symmetry for a while. In fact, I would avoid the last phase probably the first two times. I even.

[C]

Like maps 15.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Mass 15 would even be good.

[C]

I just think that would serve. I think that and. And lay off the. Like the hardcore bulk. Eat when you're hungry, but eat whole foods like when you're hungry. Feed the system. Don't go. Don't try and restrict, but eat whole foods. Eat your protein first. Clean the diet up. And I think if you just fed yourself when you were hungry and make sure you hit your protein intake. Eat as much as you want, so long as it's whole foods.

[E]

All that for work?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And you train maps 15, you're gonna get a lot of those goals. Then we can. We can focus on the basketball and spartan stuff after we kind of get all this other shit in check.

[F]

Yeah, that's the lowest, lowest one.

[B]

Okay, look. Okay, you got three kids too. You're about to adopt. That's a big deal. What do you do for work?

[F]

What's that?

[B]

What do you do for work?

[F]

Desk job.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

And you work a lot of hours.

[F]

Not too bad.

[B]

That's a pretty reflexible there.

[F]

It's a good company.

[B]

All right.

[F]

Stress is there. It's in the construction industry. So there's the market fluctuations and different things, you know, pivoting, trying to make things work. But it's stress on. That's moderate.

[D]

Not.

[F]

Not too bad.

[B]

Well, having three kids alone and then adopting is a lot. It's a lot to put on, especially as a man. You're supporting your family. You're thinking about all that. You got to take your foot off the gas, dude. And I would eat more in the maintenance. Just like what Adam said.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

It's probably going to land around 3,000 calories, and then you're just gonna work out in symmetry and kind of stay. Or maps 15. I think either program would be great. And just kind of stay there.

[C]

In fact, the only macro I want you to track is protein. Just track your protein. Just make sure you get. You've already mentioned that. You know, you've been times where you miss, so it sounds like that's a.

[D]

That, that.

[C]

And I know a bigger guy. It's hard to hit that much protein unless you're paying attention. So watch. Watch protein hit. Hit those targets. The rest of the. Make good food choices.

[D]

Okay.

[F]

So low day for me is about 180.

[D]

Good.

[F]

Average day is probably 200, but it's hard to get past that without like two shakes or something.

[B]

What.

[F]

What should I be shooting for?

[B]

200 is good. I would go. I would. You know, and if you're hungry and like Adam said, you want to reach for those snacks, go eat something with protein in it.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, eat a meal.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Eat the protein first. That'll take care of quite a bit.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

I also would suggest you. You can supplement with high EPA fish oil, so. High epa.

[F]

I started that the last, like, month.

[B]

Good. You could also look at red yeast rice extract that sometimes helps with blood lipids. It's a natural statin. So it's not like a pharmaceutical statin. It's a natural one. And you could. You could try that as well. And that should help as well.

[C]

I think as he brings down body fat, he's gonna.

[B]

He's gonna totally. And then just. Just take your foot off the gas, dude. And just kind of. Just let your body kind of sit in that maintenance. And what'll happen, you'll get. You'll slowly get leaner, slowly build muscle, and you're not gonna do these wild swings.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[F]

Awesome.

[D]

I love it. Yeah.

[C]

I'd love to hear back from you too. I think. I think this is a. A new cool journey for you.

[D]

So let's.

[B]

You're an all or nothing guy, aren't you? Usually. Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

It'll be so good for you, bro, to just eat when you're hungry. Make whole food choices. Hit your protein intake like math 15.

[B]

Your body will slowly, slowly change rather than doing these ups and downs that you're going through.

[C]

And then so let's get you feeling really good. And then we can talk about, like, throwing in some athletic training and all that good stuff later on.

[F]

Yeah. Yeah.

[D]

Okay. All right, Cool. All right. Awesome. All right.

[B]

God bless you.

[E]

Take care. It's so funny, when you asked him about his job, I was convinced he's gonna be. I'm in the import export business.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Desk job.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

There's a lot. Just. It's just. You could tell with his. His reverse. His cut is this and that, like, extreme.

[E]

Oh, wait, he goes all.

[B]

And by the way, 70% clean. 30. Not clean.

[C]

That's a lot.

[B]

That's a lot of not clean. If he's being active. Typically it's more. If someone says 30, it's more like 40.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And you know, the whole like. Like, I'm gonna make it fit my macros. Like, that's. That doesn't work that way.

[C]

Well, yeah, it seems this is a classic and I'm guilty of this. I think a lot of people have, like, I'm on the bulk. So this excuses all the, all the other stuff where it's like, you know what?

[B]

But we don't go too far.

[C]

Yeah, let's get away from this macro chasing bulk stuff like, eat when you're hungry, bro.

[D]

Eat.

[C]

Eat the protein first. Try and try and eat really clean and good and watch what happens.

[B]

And I think I didn't even ask him the age of his kids, but, you know, you have three little kids. That's a lot to manage. It's a lot to manage. And then you're adding adoption. Adoption is a big deal. That's all. There's a lot there.

[A]

Our next caller is David from Australia.

[B]

David, what's going on?

[I]

Hey, David, how you going? Gentlemen, how are you?

[D]

Good.

[B]

Huckle. Hello, man.

[I]

Awesome, awesome, awesome. Thanks for having me on. I'm a long time listener. I appreciate the opportunity.

[B]

Awesome.

[I]

So I'll jump in straight into. I got a long question. I'll jump in straight into the context of the injury part and we'll get going. So I'm 26 now, but this is all started at the age of 21. After a few years of intense powerlifting, particularly bench pressing and heavy upper body work, I made great progress, but eventually developed serious dysfunction on my left side. Mainly, it feels like the entire left shoulder complex. Neck traps, lats, peck, my rhomboids all knotted up and stretched and tight. It feels like everything's locked down and depressed. So basically it just feels like my left side's unresponsive. My right side too.

[D]

There's this.

[I]

There's right pain that shoots in my. In my shoulders, both sides, but my left side's really the main side, that there's really like a loss of feeling and a lot of muscle atrophy. So recently I've started David Gray's upper body basics program with the big focus on breathing, protraction, serratus anterior work. But yeah, so at the moment, some recent context, I've stopped doing that program. Why? Because I finally got my stuff together and I did prime pro and I found the terminal push up. Now call it three, four years of pain and dysfunction. I did two reps of the terminal push up and the rest of the day I could move my neck. All of a sudden my, my, you know, marble body could sit, my shoulders could retract, my neck would be free. It was unbelievable cut. Like years of pain. Two reps And I was in a rush. I was, I trained in the mornings, so I did a quick two reps, you know, a quick jump in the shower after a workout, and then I went to work. I noticed the whole, the rest of the day and I was sweet. So that's some recent context. Just what else?

[D]

What do we have?

[I]

Yeah, three days changed my whole day. And then I noticed in the, in the scat push up, it's the deep retracted position where I'm shaky, I'm nervy, I feel all kinds of happenings and firings and things happening.

[D]

So.

[I]

And then when I, when I get up, it's all of a sudden just like, almost like I've got a pump and my shoulders can sit back.

[D]

Right.

[I]

So I don't know if that's something, some extra context for you guys to actually see and pinpoint what, what it.

[B]

Is, but it's definitely, it's definitely nerve related. There's definitely some impingement going on. The fact that you saw immediate relief is huge. That is a big, great sign. That is a great, great sign. So what you're going to do now, here's the temptation, David. The temptation is going to be get right back. Yeah. Oh, I'm feeling good. I'm gonna get back into the heavy stuff. Don't do it yet. Don't do it yet. You need to live in prime pro for months. This has been years.

[C]

And, and that becomes, that becomes your staple warmup. Like, even when you do start to ease back into some more traditional stuff, like, that's how you start your prime with it every day. Every day. Those are your movements.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

What your routine would look like if you were my client is I would have you do prime pro movements for shoulder, scapular, thoracic mobility. So you could all those regions, practice the movements. Find the ones that feel best for you. Do them under control. Good technique. If one hurts you more, don't do that one. Focus on the ones that help you. And I would do that three times a day for 10, 15 minutes. And then once a week you can go lift. But it's literally pick exercises that don't bother you, that are safe and it's going to be moderate intensity.

[C]

Probably more stuff like seated row, face pulls, things like that.

[B]

Just things that you feel safe doing, supported and just stay there for a while, like for like three, four months if everything feels good. After that, slowly ease yourself back into traditional strength training, but use the prime pro movements as your warm ups before your workouts.

[D]

Okay.

[I]

That's what I Wanted to sort of get a picture about. So I live in prime pro, so a few months. So that's a bullet to bite and ego kill, but it's got to be done.

[B]

No, man, it's not.

[E]

Because you're making progress.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Look how good you feel, bro.

[B]

Like having chronic pain. I don't need to tell you this, but you had a chronic pain for years, suddenly goes away. That's got to feel like a miracle.

[I]

Unbelievable.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

So you got the answer, and we can fix this. So if I ever work with a client that's got pain and in one session they have significant pain relief, I know we can fix it. Like, I know right away.

[E]

Oh, that's exciting.

[B]

Yes, this is exciting.

[E]

Now I just need reps. That's right.

[B]

So just living there, like I said, three times a day. Three times a day, you do these movements and just move through them. And if you continue to notice improvement, keep going. You could do like one day a week of strength training. Super safe. Do that for like three, four months before even trying to ease back into traditional.

[I]

And. And am I looking for. Obviously right now, it's a disaster. I mean, I'm doing two reps and shaking. And so obviously I'm looking for controlled.

[C]

You know, you're waking everything up. You're waking a bunch of stuff up that's dormant, dormant for a long time. That's why. That's why you're like, take your time.

[E]

With it to go nice and slow and feel your way through it.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And remember, it's correctional. Okay? So correctional, it needs to be done with intention and you need to feel it, but it's not so intense that it moves out of correctional. Because what'll happen is if you push too hard, like you're doing a workout, your default patterns are going to kick in, and then you're going to cause problems.

[C]

So.

[B]

So think of the movements as practicing the movements and just getting better at them. So what you'll notice is two reps, right now, you're shaky. Eventually two reps is going to feel smooth. That's how you know you can add a third rep. Does that make sense?

[D]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Beautiful.

[I]

Okay. And then I guess I'm answering my own question. I'll get back to. It's going to take a few months, feel a bit stronger, more stable, and then getting back into training is pretty much corrective work, really. But I would. Strength training terms.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And I would always. I would always start the workout forever with what you. What. What you're learning right now about what the. Like, that's how you should always prime. And then things like, like prone cobra, seated row, those become staple movements. I. You're an example, too, of somebody who, like, we. We talk about doing, like, the big lifts first, right? Doing squats or bench press, these big movements first. I would do those movements always first in my routine with you.

[D]

You would.

[C]

We'd always. We'd always do those prime pro movements. We'd always do prone cobra. We'd always do seated row. That would be the beginning of your lifting. Before I go into something like a.

[B]

Bench press and easier, just need to hardwire this.

[E]

These new movement patterns, and you just.

[B]

Ease your way into it. In a few months, you just go to the gym, you work out a little bit. Go easier than you think. Wait. See how you feel. That feels great. Do it again. Do that for a couple weeks. Okay. I think I can go a little harder and just. Just easier. And you. Before you know it. You'll be back before you know it.

[I]

Yeah, I can't wait. I can't wait. It's been a couple years too long. So my current routine, I'm assuming I'm playing basketball, so pretty much live in prime pro, and basketball is okay a couple times a week. What do you think?

[B]

As long as basketball is not causing problems.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yep. Okay.

[I]

Well, that's its own list of problems with ease of ankle rolls and things like that.

[B]

That's right.

[I]

I gotta live with some 90 90s and some ankle stuff too, for sure.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good, dude. This is good. It's such good news. I'm telling you. Like, as you were talking, I was a little bit like, oh, this is gonna be difficult. But then when you said, oh, yeah, I did two reps, and I noticed significant pain relief.

[C]

So that's like.

[B]

Like I said, if I have a client, I'm like, this is. We got this. We got this.

[D]

Yeah.

[I]

No, it blew my mind. I did two reps. I got up from the floor and just. I could breathe. I said, wow, this is unbelievable. And no. Okay, Easy, man. Pretty straightforward. Maybe I just need to. I needed to hear it from some pros and get slapped around a little bit and get on track.

[D]

Yeah, let's do it, dude.

[B]

Right on, dude.

[C]

I'd love to hear back from you in a couple months. Let us know how you're. How you're doing.

[I]

I will. I will appreciate it. How many. How many Aussies? I haven't noticed that. That many Aussies on the show.

[C]

Okay, we got Quite a few. Yeah. We get a lot of people from.

[B]

That's probably the third largest audience.

[E]

Right, what time is it there right now?

[C]

US, Canada, then Australia, I think. Is that right, Doug?

[I]

448 in the UK.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, good. Well, sorry.

[E]

Thanks for waking up early.

[D]

Yeah.

[I]

I'm just getting warmed up for some prime pride. This is when I got.

[D]

Go your.

[B]

Vegemite post workout sandwich.

[I]

Too far. Too far. We don't know.

[B]

I like that. I know.

[D]

Sorry. Right.

[C]

All right, brother.

[I]

I appreciate it.

[D]

Thank you. Thank you.

[B]

It's so funny, while he was talking, I'm like, oh, this is a nerve issue. Oh, nerve issues can be very difficult. But I've had clients like this where they've had these chronic pain for five years. And then we do one, two movements.

[C]

And they're like, this is why we.

[B]

And it's like, this is a phase.

[C]

This is why we teach our trainers so much around. This is what a good assessment looks like. You take a client like that, right?

[B]

You show them that.

[C]

And you showed him. If you were a trainer, trainer, assessing that guy who's been struggling with pain for two to three years, couldn't move his neck, all this stuff, and you took him through that, that movement.

[B]

He's hiring you.

[C]

Yeah, for sure he's hiring you. I don't care what kind of financial situation he is. Finding a way because you would blow his mind. And that used to happen all the time with clients, especially since so many people deal with nerve and chronic pain and mobility movements are that amazing. Which is also is what makes me so annoyed by the other side of our space. That is always shitty on that stuff. It's like, dude, that's. I can't tell you how many times I've had a client like that that I've given a movement or two for. And they're like, oh, my God, that's right. I can move my shoulder. It doesn't hurt. It's not clicking.

[D]

No.

[B]

I mean. And this is just. I know you guys feel the same way. I'm sure you've had the same experience. The majority of the times. Majority. That people came with pain. It was chronic. Majority of time. We could significantly improve it. Yeah, significant. It's a majority of the clients. It's actually more rare. It was far more rare to have that client where it was like, oh, yeah.

[C]

Where you get dumbed on it. Every once in a while you get stumped.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Every once in a while you get stumped and you're like, man, I don't know. I. I don't know. And so. But that was rare. That was rare.

[B]

Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. We'll see you at mindpump Media thank.

[A]

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