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Sal DeStefano
Morning Zoe. Got donuts. Jeff Bridges, why are you still living above our garage? Well I dig the mattress and I want to be in a T mobile commercial like you teach me. So Dana oh no, I'm not really prepared.
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Adam Schafer
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Sal DeStefano
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Adam Schafer
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Sal DeStefano
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Adam Schafer
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Sal DeStefano
So what are we having for lunch?
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Caller/Listener
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Sal DeStefano
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Adam Schafer
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Sal DeStefano
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Adam Schafer
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Sal DeStefano
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Justin Andrews
Want to pump your body and expand.
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Sal DeStefano
Your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind Pump Mind Pump. With your hosts Sal Destefano, Adam Schaefer.
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Justin Andrews
And Justin Andrews, you just found the.
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Sal DeStefano
Most downloaded fitness, health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. In today's episode we had live callers call in. We got to coach people on air, but this was after the intro. Today's intro was 55 minutes long. In the intro we talk about fat loss and muscle gain and diet and current events and family life. It's a good time. By the way, if you want to be on an episode like this one, just send us your question. Email it to live@mindpunkmedia.com now this episode is brought to you by some sponsors. The first one is Caldera Lab. They make skincare products and hair care products that are backed by science that are also all natural. They're very effective. In fact, over 90% of the people that use them in studies see significant improvements in their skin and hair. Go check them out. Get 20% off. Go to calderalab.com that's C-A L--E-R-A L A B.com mindpump Use the code mindpump20. Get 20% off. This episode is also brought to you by Butcherbox. They deliver high quality meats and wild caught fish to your door. And if you go through our link butcherbox.com mindpump New users will get either a whole turkey or ham included for free in the first box or ground beef included in every box for the lifetime of their subscription. Again, it's butcherbox.com mindpump we also have a brand new sale. It's Black Friday. Starting right now, everything is 60% off. Okay? Everything. Every maps program, every bundle that's already discounted, take an additional 60% off. Every mod, every guide, 60% off. By the way, every purchase gets you entered into our contest. Two people are going to win one week free vacation at the Mind Pump Park City House, plus $1,000 towards their travel. Five people are going to get three months of one on one coaching from our trainers. And 10 people are going to get three months of our concierge coaching. Every bundle you get gives you 10 entries. Every maps program gives you three entries. And all the mods and guides give you one entry. You got to go do this. Go sign up. Go to maps fitnessproducts.com if you want the bundles, go to Maps Bundles. By the way, the code is Black Friday for the 60% off. All right, real quick.
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Doug
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Adam Schafer
Enjoy the rest of the show. T shirt time.
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Justin Andrews
And it's T shirt time.
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Adam Schafer
Oh, shit. You know my favorite time of the week?
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Justin Andrews
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Sal DeStefano
As if there wasn't enough to worry about, there's one more thing you got to check, check yourself on. When it comes to fitness advice, it's the Science Bros. Oh, we had the gym bros. Now the Science Bros are giving people terrible information. We're going to talk about that today. What they preach and why they're often wrong and why you need to be careful when taking their advice.
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Adam Schafer
Can we, can we do that?
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
Is that, what's that called, Like a, like little big league? Isn't that, like what Science Pro would be.
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Sal DeStefano
What is that? Oxymoron?
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Adam Schafer
Is it an oxymoron? Is that a bit of an oxymoron?
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Sal DeStefano
Well, you know, here's what I. This is what I define as the science.
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Adam Schafer
Know what you do? I can picture this guy.
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Sal DeStefano
Yes. These are the fitness, I don't know, influencers, I guess. I hate that term, but that's what I'll use. Fitness influencers, who are all about the data. That's all they present and talk about. This is what the science says. This is what the study says. Therefore, this is what you need to do. And this actually oftentimes now, I don't want to say that there's no value in data, so I'll be very clear. Science and data is very important when it comes to figuring out what works best when it comes to fitness. Very important. But if all you do is rest all of your advice and laurels on the data and don't take into account experience or individual variance or anything like that, you actually run into a lot of problems. And so oftentimes these days, I'm finding more challenges and issues with the science bros than I am with the bro Bros. Right. Used to be bro science. That was the term that we used back in the day with the people who just would give this crazy advice that had nothing backing it. Well, now we got the science bros. And I keep getting things sent to me from some of these influencers. Well, they showed that this study said that this worked the best. And this study shows this is the type of cardio. This is how you should lift weights. And because here's what makes them so dangerous. They're more dangerous than the. The bro bros. Because they have immediate authority. That's right. Because a study supports what they said. And because they're. They're speaking in scientific terms, people take it as gospel. That's right. And so it's. It's much harder to dispel. And that makes them a little bit more dangerous, I would say.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. So, no, this is. I mean, I feel like we've been talking about this since we've started this. It does. And I don't know if it's the algorithm on Instagram and so that, you know, once you start following one of these, you get. You get more and more of it. But it's a, It's. It's a dangerous place to be when it comes to getting in shape, because a lot of times the, the studies and what's controlled in a lab send the average person down the Wrong path.
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Sal DeStefano
Right.
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Adam Schafer
Of getting in shape and getting healthy. And once you realize that more of this game has more to do with behavioral psychology than it does physiology and nutrition, which is what these guys always come from and argue that side, you realize that that stuff trumps it. I don't care if this is the best food to build muscle or do this if it's something you hate eating and you're not going to do it, because I don't care if this workout builds the most muscle. If you are terrible at following the protocol. Like, there's so many things that. I mean, the. One of the last things that we discussed I shared with you guys last week when we were talking about when I kind of had this, you know, epiphany of why I think full body is so much more superior. It has nothing to do with the studies. Has nothing to do with the studies. The case that I was making, it was, I understand, not only my own behavior, but the hundreds of people that I've trained over decades and their behaviors. And if you follow this kind of bro split that a lot of people do to get in shape, what ends up happening is you fall off, on and off the wagon, which is totally normal. And I would say 90% of the people go through that. And when you do that, it just. It interrupts this. In. In a year's time, you end up missing a lot of these body parts, which then is volume for those body parts within regresses you or doesn't progress you. Whereas if I always train this full body, even if the studies say that they're equal. Right. As far as their results. But I know human behavior plays such a huge role. Well, then it ends up trumping that.
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Sal DeStefano
You know, I'm saying. Yeah, that's a good example. Another just to take a step back to, when you look at studies, lots of things in studies are controlled. Yes. In order to isolate certain variables.
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Doug
Simulations.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
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Doug
So they're not. They're artificial simulations of what people are experiencing, their lifestyle.
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Sal DeStefano
Right. So I'll use a great example. So. And I'll just to touch on what you're saying, Adam. So if you look at studies when total volume is controlled for whether or not you train a body part two days a week or four days a week, maybe even one day a week. In fact, there's some data that says it doesn't make that big of a difference, that it doesn't matter so long as the volume is controlled. Which. That's true. When you look at the studies, the studies aren't lying by the way I don't want to say, I'm not trying to come here and say that the studies are lying. What I'm trying to say is that, and I'll use this example again, is this study is not what happens in the real world. In the real world, volume is not perfectly controlled. And when you do all 15 sets for your back on Monday versus spreading it out over three or four workouts, there's actually more volume in the more frequent workouts. Because why? Because you're stronger.
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Adam Schafer
Right. Even if you did the exact same sets. Yes, because you end up being stronger.
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Sal DeStefano
Even if you kept the exercises the same.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, exercise the same. Same set sets. But what will end up happening is you'll end up lifting another rep or adding a little bit more weight. Because you're stronger.
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Sal DeStefano
That's right. Because you're not doing all 15 in one workout. But what they'll do in the studies is they'll control the volume. So same weight, same reps, same exercises, everything identical. Well then, yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't make a difference. But that's again, that's not how it works in the real world. Another issue is that studies, and this is just, just the, this is not an issue with the study itself, but rather we can't do or fund really long studies. It's kind of difficult to do. It's really hard to fund a year long study with a hundred people trying to look at things like rep ranges and stuff like that. And so when they do this, when they follow these studies for 16 weeks and they compare things like rep ranges, they'll show this particular rep range may be better or they're all the same so long as intensity is high. But when you work with people for a long time, you find that this just, this breaks down after six months. Switching things out and moving into a different rep range does make a difference. But you wouldn't see that in a shorter study.
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Adam Schafer
You know, it'd be a fun series. Totally gonna put this on air to put you on the spot. Maybe I can get you to do this. Oh, no. Well, it'll be a fun series to have you do. Similar to how. Remember how Lane used to do his like Friday new study breakdown or what, that he'd break down these new studies. I think there'd be a lot of value in you breaking down old studies that we've all, we all take as gospel forever and poke the holes in. Like, hey, here's, here's a study that everybody probably has heard of many times and we Know, here's what I found in real world application and why even though this is the truth or this is what we know from the study, this is where we may not follow this. Correct. Like it'd be cool for you to actually.
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Sal DeStefano
Sure.
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Adam Schafer
Instead of like doing brand new studies that. But go back and like all these studies that and the one one being an example we're talking about right now with comparing full body versus body part split. Like I think that's a really good breakdown that the average person just doesn't think about. They see that and the way they translate that, which fair is like, oh, they're basically the same. So do what I like to do.
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Sal DeStefano
Right.
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Adam Schafer
Or do, do what I enjoy doing the most. So that trumps that. Right? Well, no, not if you, not if you follow the, the normal human patterns. Which is, you know, and I'd love to see if we have a study for. This is like, you know, you take a group of 100 people and you say hey, try and work out consistently this year. Report when you work out and let's see the patterns of those hundred people. I'm willing to bet that very few of the hundred actually never miss a workout and never miss a week. Of of course they're going to be. And then the question becomes what workouts are they missing?
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Sal DeStefano
Yes. Which body parts tend to be neglected.
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Adam Schafer
Yes.
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Sal DeStefano
Tends to be the ones they don't like.
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Adam Schafer
Right.
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Sal DeStefano
That's just what happens with human behavior. Yeah. Another one. You know, cardio is a. This is established. This is what would be considered established science and fitness. Right. When you're comparing different forms of cardio, which ones are the most time efficient and the best at fat burning? Well, hiit cardio wins. It just does hiit cardio in studies is superior, but it's not appropriate for everybody. This is where the, this is where the study now falls apart. If you ask me, over the last, you know, you know, two decades of training clients, how many clients I had or what percentage of my clients hiit cardio was appropriate for? It was a minority. Yeah. A minority of my clients. Not a majority. Not even half. Maybe, maybe, maybe 20, 30%. Where that was appropriate. Where everywhere else. Everyone else, if I had them do hiit cardio, they would have got worse results because of their stress level. There's no joint intervention. Their fitness. Yeah. Their biomechanics. And so the study may show it to be superior for fat burning. But if I apply it to the wrong person, which again majority of my clients, it would have been the wrong person. It Would have been a disaster.
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Adam Schafer
Well, here's another one. The fasted cardio doesn't burn any more body fat. But I'll tell you the reason why the bodybuilding community continues to do it. Why I still appreciate do it is not because of the controlled people in the study that, oh, it ends up if they eat exactly the same calories and do exactly the same amount of movement.
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Sal DeStefano
That's not how it works out.
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Adam Schafer
But that's how it works out. Because what ends up happening if you're the person who gets up to do fasted cardio, that normally means you get up an hour earlier than what you would before and you start moving. And what that does to productivity throughout the day as far as total movement, right? And it's like it. And then a lot of times too, even the behaviors around eating, I got up, I got a, I started my day with a workout. I tend to want to eat better.
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Sal DeStefano
Changes.
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Adam Schafer
There's a, there is a, a chain of events behaviorally that happens because I did something like that. Now maybe the bros did a terrible job of breaking down the science of why it's so effective, but there's a reason why we've been doing it in the bodybuilding community for decades. Because it works. It works really well. But it has more to do with all the behavioral changes that end up happening for that person that does that. And so there's an example of where, you know, the studies prove that that's. And then a whole bunch of people stopped doing that when it was probably really beneficial.
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Sal DeStefano
Here's another one. This is more of a new one, right? Is studies are showing that the stretch portion of a rep leads to the most hypertrophy. So, okay, what does that mean? Well, if I'm doing a, if I'm doing a curl, the bottom part of the curl is where, where I get the most muscle growth. The mid range and contraction produce less muscle growth. And so they'll study this. What they'll do is they'll say, okay, this group over here does curls where they're just focusing on that lengthened portion. You guys are doing this kind of mid range, you guys doing this contraction contracted, shortened position. Which one builds the most muscle? And it is the stretch position. But here's where that is misleading. If you do a full range of motion, it's not like you build less muscle number one. So full range of motion versus just focusing on the stretch, it doesn't build less muscle to do a full range of motion. At best, they produce the same amount of muscle growth. So now someone's like, well, okay, well why would I, why would I want to do a full range of motion? Because here's the other part that nobody talks about. If I just train in the stretch portion, most of the strength I'm going to gain is in that stretch portion. So I may build dysfunction. So I may build the same amount of muscle in a three month period by focusing on the stretch and not the full range. But now I'm starting to create just some dysfunction. And then here's where my previous point starts to come into play. Extend that out for a year or two with dysfunction. Will that dysfunction contribute to worse progress in the gym?
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Doug
Impede on your actual performance?
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Sal DeStefano
That's right, gym, yeah.
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Doug
Because all the rest of your performance leading into the exercises can be affected.
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Sal DeStefano
That's right. So if I, if, you know, if. And that's another one with the hypertrophy, the science bros. Hypertrophy is king. I don't care what this as long as the study, if the study says this builds the most or the same amount of muscle, that's what I'm gonna go with. But they don't consider all the other things that can later on either take away from or contribute to hypertrophy. Free weights versus machines is a good example. Machines versus free weights on a hypertrophy basis, you could argue based on the data are about the same. But we know that free weights, number one, the more appropriate depending on different body shapes and sizes. Machines are limited. Free weights follow the body. That's number one. Number two, it's more like the real world. Number three, they require more mobility and more skill. So practicing them keeps that up better. And over time you'll just move better if you did free weights better. And so. And does that contribute to better gains later on? Of course it does. Or to put it differently, would dysfunction get in the way of progress as you continue? Yes. In fact, if you interview a bunch of people, take a thousand people who've been consistent with strength training over 10 years and ask them what's the number one thing that got in your way of progress? And it's injury. Injury and pain is at the top, top, top of the list. And so you got to take that into consideration, which you won't necessarily see in a control study. And most of them only last, you know, a few months, a few months long. So this is where a lot of this stuff comes into play.
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Doug
It's like context and nuance, man.
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Sal DeStefano
Yes. And so now, okay, so the question is, where do I, where should I get My advice from. You want to take your askmindpump.com. yeah, I mean, try our best.
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Adam Schafer
That's why we built that.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah. I'll give a good look. I'll give an example. I'll give an example of a person who understands the science, but also has the experience and understands the nuance because they've trained lots of people. Brett Contreras. Brett Contreras is a great example.
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Adam Schafer
Joe DeFranco.
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Sal DeStefano
Joe DeFranco another great example. Now these, these are trainers, Ben Bruno, who know the science. They know the science. They could go toe to toe against any of the science bros when it comes to the data, but they've also trained hundreds or thousands of people. And so they know how to apply the data and they also know when to throw the data out. Like, okay, well, this cool that the study shows this, but let's toss this out because I've never. This doesn't really work in the real world. This is why I love the takes that Brett Contreras will have or Joe DeFranco will have and why a lot of the science bros that don't have this experience can be quite irritating to hear them, you know, spout some of this stuff. And then people will take it as gospel, like you said, Adam, because. Because it's based on. On studies, which makes it very difficult to contend with. Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
So, hey, how was Disneyland?
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Sal DeStefano
Oh, God. Huh? Good time.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Sal DeStefano
The most expensive place on earth. That's what they should label it.
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Adam Schafer
Do you know how crazy it is? Crazy. What? It's got $8 water.
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Sal DeStefano
It is an $8 water bottle, easy. So first, so we all smiles. I was there for two days essentially with the kids. We took my niece and my mother in law and I tracked. We did like seven or eight miles a day of walking.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Sal DeStefano
Which you know, is exhausting for the little ones and you got to put up with all that or whatever.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Sal DeStefano
But I was just, you know, I'm just paying attention to how much everything costs. I'm like, this place is so ridiculous.
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Adam Schafer
Such a cheap ass dude.
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Sal DeStefano
So. No, not, no. Hey, listen, I will. I'll tell you guys off air because you listen, you guys know, when it comes to vacations and convenience, I don't mind spending.
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Adam Schafer
No, no, I know, I know. You went all out on this one. You probably could have bought a car after you're done with the whole thing.
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Sal DeStefano
So. Pretty sure it's around. But I went, I went online because they disclosed their finance. They disclosed their. Their revenue. You know, you can find the revenue. How much they make. Do you guys want to guess how much revenue Disneyland per day on average? Per day?
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Adam Schafer
Per day.
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Sal DeStefano
Per day.
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Doug
Their parks. That's their revenue.
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Sal DeStefano
Just one.
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Adam Schafer
Just one.
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Sal DeStefano
Disneyland. Just Disneyland, California Adventure.
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Adam Schafer
It's a million a day.
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Sal DeStefano
La.
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Justin Andrews
Oh, it's way more.
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Adam Schafer
20 million a day Disneyland.
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Sal DeStefano
I'm not talking Disney World. I'm not talking about, you know, just Disneyland.
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Adam Schafer
20 million averages $20 million. Imagine this. Imagine the staff required. Just that's what got me to all the money.
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Sal DeStefano
My mother in law was like the staff here, so much staff. And I'm like there's an underground staff we don't know about. There's like people in plain clothes that are walking around.
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Adam Schafer
So I will happily pay the ridiculous fees for it. For. For that exact reason. Because the service is great. So there's very few places I've ever been.
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Sal DeStefano
A good point.
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Adam Schafer
And including places like the Ritz, which I think are some of these like very well known like service based companies. Disneyland. I would have to. If I had to put two companies that come to mind right away. Ritz and Disneyland. As far as very expensive, but they deliver on service because there's nothing. Katrina went.
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Sal DeStefano
So they go out.
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Adam Schafer
I won't roll this place under the bus, but she's went to a really high end spa place for the first time. And it's a place that we've been wanting to go to over in the Santa Cruz area. And Katrina was like went with all the girls and she's like I'll let you know, you know, so if. How good it is so we can come back. And she goes it was terrible. Not only was it terrible, she goes, there was literally a guy like, like when they were checking in that was just like just charge my room.
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Sal DeStefano
The service was horrible.
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Adam Schafer
As he walks out and then they had like a tear and she goes, it's just if you charge that much, you better come through on the service. And I feel like Disneyland does that all the way from the, the kid who's running the. The little soda pop.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
Cart.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
To the people, the janitors cleaning up.
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Sal DeStefano
Super bottom.
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Adam Schafer
To the hotel checking in to the parking lot attendant. Like they're.
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Sal DeStefano
I had an experience. It's so funny.
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Adam Schafer
Okay, see so.
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Sal DeStefano
So I had an experience worth.
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Adam Schafer
In my opinion that's worth.
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Sal DeStefano
So we did the whole like VIP deal, you know, suite at Disneyland, you know, hotel and the whole VIP thing which included. Which by the way just going to back up. It's with two little kids organizing things, getting there, making sure whatever. It can be a Bit stressful. Okay. It can be stressful to manage everything, and little kids don't like to sit in the sun and all that stuff. But so we're doing it. We're also having fun. And what came with our package was, like, a special event, I think was what it was called. And the one that my wife picked was they would. They reserved a spot for us for one of the parades. I don't remember what it was called, but it's got a bunch of lights and stuff. I don't remember the name of it, but it was, like, at night. And so we have, like, this reserve. So instead of having to wait and, like, in the crowd, they'll have a resort area. So we knew about this, right? So we're at Disneyland all day long, and it's about 7pm and we're like, okay, we have enough time to eat real quick, go back to the hotel. We'll rinse off the kids, put them in their pajamas because it's gonna be late by the time we're done so we can bring them back. So we do all that, and we're rushing, rushing back, and we're, like, barely making it, right? So we're kind of. And we don't. We can't find the meeting place. I have the paper.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Sal DeStefano
From the concierge that tells us where to go, and we're looking for it. And my wife is like, my poor wife. She had this expectation. And afterwards she said that, she's like, oh, I got upset because I had this expectation. She has, like, this, like, magical experience. Well, we're late. We're walking through these. It's crowded. Her and I are fighting over it because she had told me earlier, can you please check to this experience thing, make sure it's all set up? And I didn't. I didn't. Cause I'm like, what am I gonna check right now? We're doing it. But I didn't check. So last minute I looked at it, and now I'm like, yeah, thanks, guys, for backing me up there. Just give her ammo.
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Adam Schafer
Well, I mean, she has learned this yet.
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Sal DeStefano
She's been married. Don't, dude. I'm making it worse right now. She's seething. Listen. So we're like. And we're fighting over it while pushing the kids, you know? And it's like, this is just ruining the whole trip, and this is not what I wanted. You know, she's so mad, and we're trying to find the place, and we can't find it, and. And the Crowds are already building. Like, we're only like, 20 minutes. The parade's gonna start, you know, and we're supposed to have this nice area. So I'm asking. So I go up to the staff and ask them. And they're looking at my thing, and they're like, well, do you have the ticket stubs? I'm like, no, this is all they gave us. You know, I don't know. And so now they're trying to help us. So we go up to this one area. I asked this lady. She's like, it's not for this reserved area. She's like, I think you might have to go by this time. They're closing off their streets.
- [24:15]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, yeah.
- [24:16]
Sal DeStefano
So now. And so my wife says. So she breaks down, she starts crying, right?
- [24:20]
Adam Schafer
Oh, no.
- [24:20]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah. She's so upset. And she's hugging me, and she's crying. And the staff there is, like, looking.
- [24:25]
Adam Schafer
They see her.
- [24:26]
Sal DeStefano
They looking over.
- [24:26]
Adam Schafer
Oh, shit.
- [24:27]
Sal DeStefano
And they're like, hey, let me. Let me go talk to somebody. So. And they come back. We're gonna let you guys. Like, you're not supposed to be here, but we're gonna put you guys over here. We're gonna take care of you. And then I think where you were supposed to be is up there. I'll make sure I talk to them. Cause they may have given you bags of goodies. And they totally took care of us.
- [24:43]
Adam Schafer
So we had the.
- [24:43]
Sal DeStefano
Put us right in the front, said everything. And I went up to the girl, just young kids. I went up to them. I said, hey, you guys, thank you so much. You guys really helped us out. Because if we missed that, this would have been.
- [24:53]
Adam Schafer
So we had. We had the exact same thing. In fact, we went for Oogie Boogie Bash, which is what the parade was. So you might have went to a different parade. And the way it works is when you. When you get on the app, when a certain time hits. Now, for us, I think it was 8pm, I think is what the time was. Or 6. 6pm or APM, I don't remember. But as soon as it hit that hour, you confirm in your app. And then as soon as you confirm in your app, it automatically puts you in a pool. And there's four different locations where you'll go to where you have VIP tables in front of the parade set up. And so. And you. You don't know what that is until you. You. You hit the app right at the end. I was, like, on it by the minute. Like, I'm watching my watch. As soon as it hit the hour. I went, bam. And so I got it within, like, seconds. I'm like, I want to be able to. I wanted to pick an area that I wanted to be at with. With the group that we had. And so I knew where the area was, and I go over there, and I'm waiting, and I'm. And I'm watching all these people getting seated, and I'm like. I'm starting to get fumed. I'm like, dude, we've been here for 20 minutes. I'm sitting here. I was. I had to been. If not the very first person who hit that app, or they're like 15. And I, you know, Katrina goes over and asks politely and stuff like that, and then comes back and they say, yeah, no, they just said, wait like that. And we keep waiting. I'm like, now it's getting closer to the parade time. And so I'm starting to, like, stress out. And I'm angry because I did all the things I checked. I got.
- [26:07]
Sal DeStefano
You know what I'm saying?
- [26:08]
Adam Schafer
So now I'm. I'm. I'm getting all heated, right? And I can tell Janet, who's with us, our friends, my best friend's wife. And she could tell I'm fuming, so she's like, I'm gonna go beeline over to them. And she did. You could see she was having one of those, like, why? Like, she's totally barking at him. And you could just see right away, like, they see the seriousness of her, which is probably very similar what they saw with Jessica starting to cry. And they radio, radio in. Another person radios. Two people come over like that, and they're, like, looking around. They're like, you're. They're pointing, and there's like. And then they flag us over. They're like, listen, we're going to give you these seats right here. And they just. They just literally took care of us, got the. Got the boxes of the treats and everything that we're supposed to have radioed someone else, hey, we just took table whatever. For a family, just make sure it's off your lip. And they just do stuff like that. And I mean, I can. I got story after story of why we were there, of situations like that where, you know, they take the time. And to me, I can. I can stomach experiences. Paying for experiences like that. When I get that kind of service, there's nothing like spending that kind of money. And then just, like, you're an.
- [27:10]
Sal DeStefano
Service makes a huge difference.
- [27:11]
Adam Schafer
Huge difference. It makes that, like, $8 water all worth It.
- [27:15]
Sal DeStefano
Because you're like, this is ridiculous.
- [27:18]
Adam Schafer
But, you know, I'm sure it cost. I mean, you. You. You brought up what they make 10 million a day or 20 million a day, but how many millions do they spend just in people?
- [27:27]
Sal DeStefano
Oh, yeah.
- [27:28]
Adam Schafer
And a team to. To deliver that service. Right. And I know. I think I brought it up on the podcast before they. They actually. You don't even see how many employees they have because they have undercover employees, people that are designed to look like just people in the theme park that are walking behind and sweeping up popcorn and making sure. Oh, it's so kids are safe. And, like, everything's so clean. Yeah.
- [27:50]
Sal DeStefano
You think? How do they keep it so clean with this many people? This many kids? Kids are messy.
- [27:54]
Adam Schafer
Oh, yeah.
- [27:55]
Sal DeStefano
It's spotless. Yeah. This is all the stuff I was looking at. And one thing that did make me sad, though, was how many adults I saw on scooters. That. Which makes me really sad to see so many people in scooters. But also, what. What added to it was a lot of people on scooters didn't need them necessarily.
- [28:13]
Adam Schafer
That's how I felt.
- [28:14]
Doug
Oh, yeah.
- [28:15]
Sal DeStefano
There were a lot of people on scooters that just didn't need them.
- [28:17]
Doug
It's like a hack.
- [28:19]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. I've seen a lot of people scooter up to get their French fries and ice cream, park it, and then go walk through the line. I'm like, yeah, this doesn't seem right. No. You know, but you see. You see a lot. You see a lot of that, dude. Yeah, bro. Disney World's way worse than Disneyland.
- [28:35]
Sal DeStefano
Disney World, way worse.
- [28:36]
Adam Schafer
Disney World was crazy.
- [28:37]
Sal DeStefano
The south is. It's because you're in the South.
- [28:39]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. They have, like, designated lanes and areas for the.
- [28:42]
Sal DeStefano
There's. There's traffic. Yes, I remember that.
- [28:44]
Adam Schafer
Yes.
- [28:44]
Sal DeStefano
It reminded me of Wally.
- [28:45]
Doug
Dude, I wish I had never gone to Disneyland during COVID That was a big mistake.
- [28:50]
Sal DeStefano
Oh. Because.
- [28:52]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [28:52]
Sal DeStefano
Isolate.
- [28:53]
Doug
Supposed to be the guy that, like, refuses to wear the mask, you know? And I was just, like, going through all these, like. Sure. You know, like, I was getting tattled on by everybody.
- [29:02]
Adam Schafer
Oh, wow.
- [29:03]
Caller/Listener
Yeah.
- [29:03]
Sal DeStefano
Because you keep it in your nose.
- [29:04]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [29:04]
Doug
And it's like, I can't breathe, and.
- [29:06]
Sal DeStefano
I'm on the ride. I'm not gonna wear it while we're.
- [29:09]
Doug
Like, on the ride. Like, give me a break, you know? And they literally took me, like, a side, and they're like, we're literally. You're gonna have to leave the park.
- [29:17]
Adam Schafer
Oh, wow. You got serious reprimanded. Like that, huh?
- [29:19]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
- [29:21]
Doug
And then I was just like, dude, all right. And then I just finally conceded. But it was like it was miserable. Like the whole thing was just a waste. But again, it's. That was out of their hands, in control, you know?
- [29:33]
Adam Schafer
Well, can you imagine being a company that big, servicing that many people and like having in a.
- [29:38]
Sal DeStefano
Having the state come down.
- [29:39]
Adam Schafer
Impossible.
- [29:40]
Doug
It's an impossible thing to appease.
- [29:42]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [29:42]
Doug
That situation.
- [29:43]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [29:43]
Sal DeStefano
You're either. Yeah.
- [29:44]
Adam Schafer
If you're not pissing you off and you're pissing the two Karens off that are reporting. Yeah.
- [29:48]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah. I wanted.
- [29:48]
Doug
And I knew who it was too. And I was gonna come after that guy. Such a douche.
- [29:53]
Sal DeStefano
We had a funny. A few funny moments, but one of them is my. My son is. He's so. He's a lot like me when it comes to rides. Like, he doesn't like scary rides.
- [30:00]
Doug
Right.
- [30:00]
Sal DeStefano
I didn't get this. And he goes. He goes on the cars ride, which I guess they race the cars is pretty quick or whatever.
- [30:06]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [30:07]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah. He's so. He gets so mad. He's like, you didn't tell me it was scary to, you know, to his mom. I don't. And then he was mad that he was scared. I'm so mad that I was scared. He was so pissed off over that.
- [30:16]
Adam Schafer
That sounds so much like Max right there. So disappointed that you did that. I could almost die.
- [30:21]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah. That's what he said to me. Trying to kill me. He literally said he gets his hand like this. He's like, you understand? I could have died. I could have died on that ride.
- [30:30]
Adam Schafer
You know?
- [30:31]
Sal DeStefano
And I'm trying not to, like. Because he gets more upset if I'm like, you're not gonna die. I know it felt. It really felt that way. Nobody's ever tired on that ride. Yeah. My daughter's so different. My three year old, the scarier the better. She wants the scariest ride.
- [30:50]
Adam Schafer
Is that because I. You see that a lot with u. You know, parents that have two little ones that. The younger ones like that. I'm assuming that's common because the younger one is trying to keep up.
- [30:58]
Sal DeStefano
That makes sense with the older one.
- [31:00]
Adam Schafer
And you get to see your sibling try the things so you end up getting brave early. Like when you're Aurelius or Max and you're the first one going down the stairs in your house, it's like you're Versus she's seen him walking up and down already. So she's already. Oh, I could do this. Even when she probably couldn't do it, you know.
- [31:16]
Sal DeStefano
So there were a couple times too where I saw. There was this. I saw, I saw this one mom with how many kids does she have? Three or four. By herself? Yeah, walking through the park. Oh, we stopped her. My wife stopped. She's like, are you here? She's like, well, my husband, he's going to join us later or whatever. And we're just like, you are a champ. Katrina and I have so much respect.
- [31:36]
Adam Schafer
Katrina and I saw later that I almost took a picture, but I'm like, I don't want to look all weird and creepy doing this, but this she had. What's the.
- [31:43]
Sal DeStefano
The Bjorn.
- [31:43]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, the Bjorn stroller and holding the hand of a kid.
- [31:46]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
- [31:46]
Adam Schafer
By herself.
- [31:47]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
- [31:47]
Adam Schafer
It was like. That is gangster right there.
- [31:50]
Sal DeStefano
Super mom. Yeah. I don't care what you do for work or whatever, you can walk around with four kids in a park like that and give them a good time. Like, God bless you.
- [31:58]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, yeah.
- [31:59]
Sal DeStefano
Because I have two and I got my wife and I'm like, you know, like, can we go now? Yeah, I'm getting tired.
- [32:04]
Adam Schafer
How late? How late did you guys stay out? Did you guys stay out there later?
- [32:07]
Sal DeStefano
Oh, yeah, dude. So we got there at 9am and we didn't. We. Aside from going back to watch the kids come back, we got back at 10. So it was like 9 to 10pm.
- [32:15]
Adam Schafer
Did you do one big single day or did you guys do multiple days?
- [32:17]
Sal DeStefano
I don't remember. No, we did two. So yeah, we did do two.
- [32:20]
Adam Schafer
How was that?
- [32:21]
Sal DeStefano
It was fine. But the second day we were out by four because then we had to get on the plane.
- [32:24]
Adam Schafer
Okay.
- [32:25]
Sal DeStefano
But still, you know, you're there in the morning.
- [32:26]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. Because when we went, Katrina was like, we could do two, like two like mini days or, or one crazy big day. I'm like, give me the one crazy big day. That's that to me. Because I like, we did Legoland split over two days and the second day I was like, I don't even want to.
- [32:40]
Doug
You didn't want to go?
- [32:41]
Adam Schafer
Oh, yeah, I didn't want to go. I was just like, goes, yeah, it's too much. I'm too. I'm like, I. I said, let's. Let's burn them out one day. Let's go, get up early, let's roll them, stay up late, do all the things. And then like, then we could sleep in, relax the next day. Cuz totally. 2 back to back days of a park is like a lot.
- [32:56]
Sal DeStefano
It's a lot, dude. It's a lot. Anyway, I got some. Have you guys seen the news that's going around about the like. And it's. Everybody's. It's. It's going viral. It hasn't been done on humans yet, but apparently in Taiwan. Maybe you can look this up. They have come up with a formula that literally regrows hair. Like regrows hair.
- [33:18]
Adam Schafer
Oh, God.
- [33:19]
Sal DeStefano
Look it up, Don. Look up Taiwan hair regrowth study or whatever. And people are talking about like crazy. They put it on mice with no hair and it grew back. One of the scientists did it on his leg and it.
- [33:31]
Doug
Just be careful where you apply it, I guess.
- [33:34]
Sal DeStefano
Wear gloves, you know, palm's too hairy to hide. There it is. Researchers at National Taiwan University have developed a promising hair regrowth serum that regrew hair on mice in just 20 days by stimulating dormant hair.
- [33:48]
Adam Schafer
Now does it do like. Okay, so my experience of all the hair, when I tried some of the bosley and all this like that is. You get peach fuzz. But that's all it ever goes to, apparently.
- [33:58]
Sal DeStefano
This re. Rew. Full on hair.
- [34:00]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [34:01]
Doug
That's.
- [34:01]
Adam Schafer
It's literally what it does. It's. It's weird.
- [34:03]
Sal DeStefano
Have you ever experienced that? Have you guys.
- [34:04]
Adam Schafer
Have you guys. Have you guys actually used any of it consistently before?
- [34:07]
Sal DeStefano
I did once with the minoxidil.
- [34:09]
Adam Schafer
So it. It does. It's. And I. I get how it.
- [34:13]
Sal DeStefano
It will make.
- [34:13]
Adam Schafer
I mean, because if you look at somebody who's thinning down on their head, you have all these kind of patches and if you at least get that. Peach fuzz looks better. Yeah. The darkness kind of fills the gaps and so it looks like your hair is much fuller, but then it would never grow beyond that. It just is this. No peach fuzz.
- [34:29]
Sal DeStefano
Apparently this ground cover, this regrew it, like legit regrew it. So. And it's. It's fatty acids. There's no chemical or anything like that. It's.
- [34:39]
Adam Schafer
Oh, really?
- [34:40]
Sal DeStefano
Yes. It's these natural fatty acids.
- [34:42]
Adam Schafer
That's cool.
- [34:43]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
- [34:43]
Adam Schafer
I would totally mess with stuff like that. That's like a natural thing that's supposed to help thicken or be better like that. I have no desire to do a surgery or to try any, so I had chemicals on my head out in the eight.
- [34:55]
Doug
Feel like it missed the boat here, like.
- [34:57]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah. Well, so huge. I had a buddy that did a hair transplant and I. He took pictures of himself after recovery.
- [35:04]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [35:04]
Sal DeStefano
Oh, terrifying. His head looked like. Because it was all swollen.
- [35:08]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [35:08]
Sal DeStefano
From the surgery or whatever.
- [35:09]
Adam Schafer
Oh, yeah.
- [35:10]
Doug
Just like staple follicles.
- [35:13]
Sal DeStefano
He went to Mexico to get it too.
- [35:14]
Adam Schafer
You know, speaking of hair, did you guys obviously. I haven't tried Caldera's new shampoo, have you guys? Obviously, Yeah. I was so funny.
- [35:22]
Sal DeStefano
It was.
- [35:22]
Adam Schafer
I, I. You know. You know, you know, Katrina will obviously tell Jerry to bring home new products, things that. And sometimes Jerry just put. Grabs the stuff and puts it in my bag. And I got home and I thought it was like some, you know, dirty prank. It's like, why did she stick to shampoo calvary in my bag?
- [35:38]
Sal DeStefano
I'm like, you want it?
- [35:39]
Adam Schafer
You want me to report back on how great.
- [35:43]
Sal DeStefano
Wow. I bet you it's shiny beer their products are.
- [35:45]
Adam Schafer
I'm sure. I mean, I love everything else they do, but I mean, I'm like, this is kind of useless.
- [35:49]
Sal DeStefano
Is it available? Is it? It is available. Doug, can you pull it up? I want to take a look at this. So. So Calder lab now went into shampoo because all the rest of the stuff is skin care.
- [35:58]
Adam Schafer
Oh, makes sense. Makes sense.
- [36:01]
Sal DeStefano
It does.
- [36:01]
Adam Schafer
I mean, what, what, what. What goes into shampoo that is so different than cleaning your skin? Like, is there.
- [36:09]
Sal DeStefano
The key is the scalp. The key is all about the scalp.
- [36:12]
Adam Schafer
So because it's more sensitive.
- [36:14]
Sal DeStefano
No, if you make the scalp healthy, then the hair is going to look healthy. So what does that say? Wow. This is. So this. This is from their studies. 100% agree hair looks fuller and thicker. 96% agree hair appears to have less shedding, and 98% agree hair feels stronger.
- [36:33]
Justin Andrews
So they have a hair care system here, has three different things. Shampoo, conditioner, and they have the hair serum, which is like a hair regrowth.
- [36:45]
Adam Schafer
Oh, I didn't know they did all. I thought they just had the shampoo.
- [36:47]
Sal DeStefano
That's awesome.
- [36:47]
Adam Schafer
Oh, yeah, look, it's.
- [36:49]
Sal DeStefano
Speaking of cool science study. And finally, Science Daily. So you guys remember the spec. Not speculation, but the reports we were getting from our doctor friends who've been using GLP1s like semaglutide, tirzepatite on patients. Yeah. Do you guys remember? I'm sure I know you do, but you know what they were saying about the other effects that their people were getting? Not just that they were eating less and. But that they were also drinking less. Less impulsive.
- [37:16]
Doug
Yeah, addictive.
- [37:18]
Sal DeStefano
There's now studies that are showing that it's actually working. This is the summary. This is from science daily.com. the title says weight loss drugs like ozempic may also curb drug and alcohol addiction. Here's a summary. GLP 1. Drugs originally developed for diabetes and obesity may also curb addictive behaviors by acting on reward circuits in the brain. Early trials show reductions in alcohol intake, opioid seeking and nicotine use.
- [37:44]
Adam Schafer
Wow.
- [37:44]
Doug
Huge.
- [37:45]
Sal DeStefano
That's crazy.
- [37:47]
Adam Schafer
Crazy.
- [37:47]
Sal DeStefano
That's crazy that if we, if this.
- [37:49]
Adam Schafer
Is the case, how far away are we from the. The net? The newest one, the Reddit True Tide.
- [37:54]
Sal DeStefano
Or what it's called Retatra tried. I don't think it's available as a medication yet. I think it's still.
- [37:58]
Adam Schafer
It's not, but I know it's.
- [37:59]
Sal DeStefano
It's.
- [38:00]
Adam Schafer
I see the post, I see the stuff coming around. It's in trials right now or.
- [38:04]
Sal DeStefano
I believe so. Is that right?
- [38:05]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, I believe it's got to be coming soon though, right?
- [38:07]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah. So. So it's wild. So in rodent models, several GOP1 receptor agonists have been shown to reduce self administration of heroin, fentanyl and oxycodone. Preclinical Data show that GLP1 receptor agonists reduce nicotine self administration reinstatement of nicotine seeking.
- [38:23]
Adam Schafer
Now okay, so in regards to the opiates and stuff like that, is this, is it. Is there something happening to the receptors that's happening or is it just purely the desire to.
- [38:35]
Sal DeStefano
It's all about the, the this kind of pleasure seeking reward systems in the brain that are connected to food. And so it's broad. It's more of a broad application. It's not just food.
- [38:46]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [38:46]
Sal DeStefano
Is that people desire the desire to try to seek something pleasurable.
- [38:52]
Adam Schafer
So it's not doing anything to like the opiate receptors. Because one of the hardest parts about coming off an opiate is how much your receptors get down regulated, how much they need just to feel normal again. And so the coming off of it is like a nightmare.
- [39:02]
Sal DeStefano
No.
- [39:03]
Adam Schafer
So it's not doing anything that it's literally just somebody who, who battles just.
- [39:07]
Sal DeStefano
Desire less of it. Yeah.
- [39:08]
Adam Schafer
Okay.
- [39:08]
Sal DeStefano
Which is kind of crazy.
- [39:09]
Adam Schafer
I mean that's really cool.
- [39:10]
Sal DeStefano
This is wild because you know we could be. I mean it's very interesting what the applications could be on something like this.
- [39:17]
Adam Schafer
Do you think that I, I have found my. I mean my sister reached out to me about her doctor. It's. And like this is not like through us or anyone like that. She was like yeah. She recommended I microdosed a GLP one for what I forgot what her reasoning behind my sister because obviously my sister's not way, way overweight but for the other health benefits that were included in it. And it just got me Thinking that, you know, are we going to see this in the near future where these doctors are actually recommending like even micro dosing of it to more people because of all the other.
- [39:48]
Sal DeStefano
That's what all the, the frontline doctors, you know, the ones we've had on the show that have been using them for a while, they, they recommend microdosing. That.
- [39:55]
Doug
And yeah, it's interesting that it hasn't really made mainstream yet, like microdosing.
- [39:59]
Sal DeStefano
No. Because I think the pharma companies.
- [40:01]
Doug
Pharma is still.
- [40:02]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah, they, they're, they're slow to own it. Yeah, they're slow to it for I think for obvious reasons, you got to look and see what the profitability is on microdosing.
- [40:10]
Doug
I know that those envy just got a humongous lawsuit and.
- [40:13]
Sal DeStefano
Yep.
- [40:14]
Doug
So they're dealing with that.
- [40:14]
Adam Schafer
What was the lawsuit over?
- [40:16]
Sal DeStefano
People were saying they had side effects that it was told about. And it does slow down gastric emptying. You take a high enough dose, it could make everything not move anymore.
- [40:26]
Adam Schafer
So when, when it, when it slows down, something like that, is it just in generally slowing down the entire digestive process?
- [40:32]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
- [40:32]
Adam Schafer
So let's empty. Right. That's all part of the process. So if the entire, you know, process takes roughly, let's just say for argument's sake, two hours to happen, is it making it four to six to eight?
- [40:45]
Sal DeStefano
I don't know.
- [40:46]
Adam Schafer
Do you have any idea?
- [40:47]
Sal DeStefano
No, I don't know what the numbers are.
- [40:48]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, I mean it makes sense that that's. What if, I mean, if you just slow that process, that makes sense why you're not hungry very long. I wonder if it slows it down even more than that.
- [40:55]
Sal DeStefano
But I mean, back to what I was saying earlier, I, I know a guy who was using it for sex addiction. He was using. He was, he worked with a doctor who said, let's try this for. Because he had an addiction to sex pornography.
- [41:09]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [41:09]
Sal DeStefano
And he said he got some decent results off of it. Yeah.
- [41:12]
Doug
Because weren't they also attributing it to lowering the brain inflammation on some level?
- [41:16]
Sal DeStefano
Like, that's what Dr. Seeds.
- [41:17]
Doug
An inflamed state like tends to kind of lean into those impulses.
- [41:21]
Sal DeStefano
That's what Dr. Seeds definitely said. So what does that say? It slows down gastric emptying by about 36 minutes on average. Okay. For example, one study found the time to empty 50% of a meal was 138 minutes with the GLP1 receptor agonist versus 95 minutes with the placebo. Well, I Mean, that's a, that's a significant difference from 95 to 138. How much?
- [41:43]
Adam Schafer
Almost. Almost double. 40% more or so. 35% more. Me my rough math somewhere around there.
- [41:49]
Sal DeStefano
Interesting.
- [41:50]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [41:51]
Sal DeStefano
Another interesting study on cavities and gum disease and it's connection to strokes. So I'll read to you guys what the summary says. The American Academy of Neurology. So this was October 27th. This got put in Science Daily. People with both cavities and gum disease were found to have an 86% higher stroke risks than those with healthy mouths. The study followed thousands of adults for two decades linking poor oral health with major cardiovascular events. Yeah. You guys want to have speculations as to why?
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Adam Schafer
Well, yeah, I would think there's a major correlation with people that have gum teeth issues with their types of foods that they're eating in their diet. So you're probably eating a lot of processed junk and garbage and, and that probably is what has more to do with it than actually the, the gums or the teeth. That would be my guess.
- [42:42]
Sal DeStefano
That's what I thought too, but here's what the data is starting to show.
- [42:45]
Adam Schafer
Oh, interesting.
- [42:47]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah. Your mouth should be a sealed area where bacteria doesn't get into your bloodstream.
- [42:55]
Doug
Because that's like direct access to blood.
- [42:56]
Sal DeStefano
That's right.
- [42:57]
Doug
Into your brain and heart.
- [42:58]
Sal DeStefano
That's right.
- [42:58]
Adam Schafer
And so it'll be scary for someone like you.
- [43:00]
Sal DeStefano
Yes.
- [43:04]
Adam Schafer
I mean just the sheer volume more your mouth is open.
- [43:11]
Doug
Put those dots.
- [43:13]
Adam Schafer
I mean Justin's like 50 less likely.
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Sal DeStefano
To get whatever every time you eat. Right. If there's, if there's bacteria on what's ruin it. Right. If there's bacteria and stuff on your food, you know, by the time it gets into your stomach, the stomach acid, everything destroys it. Destroys a lot of it. Right?
- [43:29]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [43:29]
Sal DeStefano
But if it could get directly into your bloodstream through your gums, which can cause heart inflammation and they've connected certain bacteria in the mouth with gum disease and also connected it to cardiovascular events. Yeah. So that's probably.
- [43:44]
Adam Schafer
So are you guys, are you guys crazy pro oil pulling and stuff or do you think that's too woo woo for you or do you think there's value in that? I mean, I think that has to do with helping the, the microbiome of the mouth. Right?
- [43:55]
Sal DeStefano
I. I think so. I don't know enough about it.
- [43:57]
Adam Schafer
Enough about it.
- [43:58]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
- [43:58]
Doug
I mean obviously flossing and, and keeping like good hygiene.
- [44:02]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
- [44:03]
Adam Schafer
You ever oil pulled real?
- [44:04]
Justin Andrews
I've tried it.
- [44:04]
Adam Schafer
I figured. You have?
- [44:05]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [44:06]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. I Mean, I mean, I don't know.
- [44:07]
Justin Andrews
If it did anything.
- [44:09]
Adam Schafer
I didn't do it consistently for a long time. Yeah, for like a long period of time.
- [44:13]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah. I don't know about switching that with.
- [44:14]
Doug
Legs like salt water, you know, and I'll do that every now and then.
- [44:17]
Sal DeStefano
But yeah. I got a water pick instead of floss. Have you guys ever used one of those?
- [44:20]
Adam Schafer
Oh, I used to love my water pick just to. You know, I. What it is, is just a big tool on the freaking counter. That's why I get. I go through phases. I've had problems.
- [44:29]
Sal DeStefano
Such a girl. It doesn't look good on my counter.
- [44:31]
Adam Schafer
Well, not just that. It becomes messy and spilling.
- [44:35]
Justin Andrews
I have a portable one. It's easy. It's self contained.
- [44:38]
Sal DeStefano
So use the same. Use one also.
- [44:40]
Justin Andrews
I do, but I also floss.
- [44:41]
Sal DeStefano
I do both. Why both?
- [44:43]
Justin Andrews
Oh, because it's good.
- [44:45]
Sal DeStefano
It's good to do both. He's supposed to do both.
- [44:46]
Adam Schafer
He's actually.
- [44:47]
Sal DeStefano
How long does it take you to do your teeth at night?
- [44:49]
Adam Schafer
That's why he's late, dude.
- [44:51]
Justin Andrews
It takes an extra 30 seconds to.
- [44:53]
Adam Schafer
Do water picking, flossing his teeth. Right now it's 45 minutes later.
- [44:56]
Sal DeStefano
The guy with no kids better start my kicking. Every black kid. I gotta be in bed in 90 minutes.
- [45:04]
Justin Andrews
No, seriously. Yeah, I mean the water picks great.
- [45:06]
Adam Schafer
But they are cool. I. I mean I. I like them but I mean they. They can get a little messy. You always. At least once or twice, you always accidentally push the button when it's facing the mirror and then it blasts the whole.
- [45:16]
Sal DeStefano
Oh my God.
- [45:17]
Justin Andrews
I do it in the shower.
- [45:18]
Adam Schafer
I've done. Oh, that's not.
- [45:19]
Justin Andrews
I just keep it in the shower and I just.
- [45:20]
Sal DeStefano
Son of a gun. Why didn't I think of it?
- [45:22]
Adam Schafer
Electricity and water, that's why.
- [45:24]
Sal DeStefano
Well, it's portable. It's portable.
- [45:25]
Adam Schafer
Battery operates still batteries in the.
- [45:27]
Justin Andrews
Well, you're not going to get zapped.
- [45:29]
Adam Schafer
With a little battery in there.
- [45:30]
Sal DeStefano
He's not in the shower. I don't imagine.
- [45:33]
Justin Andrews
No, no, no. I mean I'm in the shower, but I'm not. It's not getting wet. Even if it did, it's self contained unit.
- [45:39]
Sal DeStefano
Okay, I. I want you. Adam, you brought up something off air I thought was brilliant.
- [45:44]
Adam Schafer
What's that? My new. My new job for kids. What a brilliant idea. So I'm always.
- [45:50]
Sal DeStefano
Someone needs to do this.
- [45:51]
Adam Schafer
Since I was a kid, this is. I used to get my. My. Not my real mom, my best friend's mom always sent me those little. Like there's A. There was a magazine Justin you might have subscribed to. This was like, maybe you two sell that. Like a business magazine. It was like small business ideas. I don't know if any of you guys, I forget the name of it, but it was a really popular.
- [46:08]
Sal DeStefano
I was reading nerdy stuff.
- [46:08]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, that was my, I was reading Entrepreneur. No, it was something different. Was like literally specific, like small business ideas. And it was a whole magazine dedicated to.
- [46:17]
Sal DeStefano
It was really good.
- [46:17]
Adam Schafer
I used to read them all the time. Anyways. I've always been like infatuated with these, you know, little ideas that I could, you know, make a small income or whatever, even as a young kid. And I was doing something that you brought up actually first that reminded me of this idea that I've had for a while.
- [46:33]
Sal DeStefano
It's so brilliant.
- [46:34]
Adam Schafer
I, I, you. Well, Sal was complaining about, you know, all the, the Amazon prime boxes that he has to break down, right from the wives ordering stuff. And we all kind of like grumble.
- [46:44]
Sal DeStefano
Oh yeah, me too.
- [46:45]
Adam Schafer
We all can relate. And I remember seeing this one kid who did this small business I thought was absolutely brilliant where he went around his neighborhood and it was, it was in a rich neighborhood where a lot of people and in an area like, I think it was, I think Arizona or someplace like that where it's really popular. Utah's like this too, where almost every house has a water softener because the water is so hard.
- [47:04]
Sal DeStefano
Oh yeah.
- [47:05]
Adam Schafer
In that area. And so it's like just an annoyance that you have to change the salt like once every 45 days or something. And so this kid went around, it's a brilliant idea. And it was just like, hey, I'll for, you know, 20 bucks a month or what that I'll change. You'll never worry about yourself.
- [47:19]
Sal DeStefano
Wants to do it.
- [47:20]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, nobody wants to do it. It's like 20 bucks they never got to think about it again. And this kid takes him. So he made a ton of money doing this, and it takes him a few minutes to do his neighborhood. And I was like, that's what a brilliant idea. If I was a kid, what would I do right now? What's different today than, you know, or in our area? And I'm like, you know what it is? That Amazon guy is at every one of our, our neighbors houses every single day dropping boxes off. And one of my things that my I hate doing is when it's trash day is all the boxes I break down from this. I mean, literally just in six days, it, it blows away how much boxes I Have. And you can't stuff it in the recycle bin because they're all odd and weird and it fills up your whole recycle bin. So you got to cut them up and the recycle guy wants them in or they won't pick them up. You can't just throw the boxes out there. He won't. You have to, you have to cut them in. I forget what the size they say like 4x4 sizes or smaller. So you have to cut all these, break all these boxes down and it's just, it's an annoyance. Right. And I thought, man, if a kid came to my door and said, hey, for 20 bucks a month or what, I probably even pay up to 50 or something.
- [48:18]
Sal DeStefano
I pay 20 bucks a week.
- [48:19]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. I probably pay all the way up to. Same thing.
- [48:22]
Sal DeStefano
It's a pain in the butt.
- [48:23]
Adam Schafer
No, I'm with you. It'd be interesting to see what.
- [48:26]
Sal DeStefano
Especially if it was a kid because I'd be like.
- [48:28]
Adam Schafer
It'd be interesting to see what the market would say. I mean, I know when I was kid that's my first ever real business was a lawn mowing service. And that's exactly what it is. Go to door door.
- [48:36]
Doug
The evolution.
- [48:37]
Adam Schafer
Exactly. And it was $20. Right. So who knows where that is today? What people would pay for cardboard boxes because nobody used to order.
- [48:44]
Sal DeStefano
Imagine if you just threw them on the side of the house and every.
- [48:47]
Adam Schafer
Week exactly what I did.
- [48:48]
Doug
Full.
- [48:48]
Sal DeStefano
And he cut them up and put them in the thing for you. That's right.
- [48:51]
Adam Schafer
You know, you had the.
- [48:52]
Sal DeStefano
How much would you pay for that every week? I would. Yeah. Paid 20 bucks.
- [48:54]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, I think so too. And I think that this. And I would even take it to another level where all my neighbors signed up for it. I would put us all on a WhatsApp and you could even just let me know like hey, cardboard boxes. And then I'll make sure to get to that house before and early if it's starting to bulk up.
- [49:08]
Doug
Added to the kids chores.
- [49:10]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah, that's true.
- [49:11]
Adam Schafer
I don't know. I think, I think, I think it's a brilliant idea if you're young, you know. You know, I don't know what age you'd start that at. 12, 13. I don't know if that's too young.
- [49:20]
Sal DeStefano
I would love to pay a go pitch little 15, 16 year old little electric.
- [49:24]
Adam Schafer
You get your little electric scooter and.
- [49:25]
Sal DeStefano
Your little tools that you go from house to house.
- [49:27]
Adam Schafer
Yep.
- [49:28]
Sal DeStefano
And just break them down, you know, before garbage day. That would be Great.
- [49:32]
Adam Schafer
I think you can do that. I think you can make a little killing. And they do. They make some really cool tools to break down the boxes easier. And I think that a lot of people, especially if a kid came to my door and knocked on my door.
- [49:46]
Sal DeStefano
Like that, the amount of waste we must produce now is so huge compared to before. Right? Because of Amazon. It's probably. It's really bad.
- [49:52]
Doug
I saw. I just saw some, like, documentary on it, and it was like, you know, put Courtney and I at pause. We're just like, oh, my God. Because even in, I think, is this one place not in the Congo, but it was somewhere in Africa where it was. It had a coastline. And so on the coastline you actually saw, it was all, like, shirts and clothing and the. It was just literally washing up every day. It was washing up on shore.
- [50:20]
Adam Schafer
And there were pictures of that keeping.
- [50:21]
Doug
It, like, out of the ocean because they just have so much clothing that comes down from some big factories. And, like, it's just like, people will wear them, but then they discard them. And it's just like, we're at a position now where it's so saturated that it's like they don't know how to get rid of all this stuff.
- [50:42]
Adam Schafer
And I would add that as an a la carte to my cardboard boxing business too, is because. And I. Okay, I have to clean out my closet of clothes I don't wear anymore. And I put it.
- [50:51]
Sal DeStefano
Oh, by the way, would you like the extra service where I take your clothes and donate it?
- [50:55]
Adam Schafer
That's right. I'll go. I'll go donate to a good cause. What about that? You just leave it in a black trash bag next year and I'll take care of it for you. And I would. I would actually clean out my closet on a more regular basis if I had somebody, because what happens right now. And I've got it at my house right now. It's in our office. There's three huge bags of just clothes and hats and old shoes.
- [51:13]
Sal DeStefano
I wonder if that would work for Amazon. If Amazon could say, hey, all the boxes that you guys, after you take your products out, leave the box aside, we'll take them back. I wonder if they could make a profit off.
- [51:22]
Adam Schafer
They still. They still would want them broken down because it'd be too hard and time.
- [51:26]
Sal DeStefano
Bulky.
- [51:27]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, too bulky for the driver to take it. That's part of what makes that such a headache.
- [51:31]
Sal DeStefano
Like, if I could just throw my.
- [51:32]
Adam Schafer
Boxes out and somebody would come pick them up, like, then it would be the hassle Is the breaking down of all these odd shaped boxes to be in this four by four.
- [51:40]
Sal DeStefano
You know what's crazy is that they most places don't even recycle. It's not recycled. Aluminum and glass is recycled, but cardboard is not. So even though you put it in the recycled bin. Yeah, we used to sell nothing.
- [51:54]
Doug
Plastic is recycled.
- [51:55]
Sal DeStefano
No, we used to sell that.
- [51:56]
Adam Schafer
Why would we not reuse cardboard? Because that'd be an easy thing to recycle.
- [52:00]
Sal DeStefano
Because the cost of recycling it down, recycling makes no sense.
- [52:03]
Adam Schafer
It's more money.
- [52:03]
Sal DeStefano
It makes so it doesn't burn it. But they don't do that. Yeah, so we used to give it to. We used to sell that to China. We used to sell them our cardboard and plastic.
- [52:11]
Doug
They stopped buying it.
- [52:12]
Sal DeStefano
China stopped buying it. So it doesn't make. There is no cost efficiency for recycling.
- [52:17]
Doug
So I did see though somewhere that like China had this factory that started to be able to burn clean like vapors. So. So they were actually able to kind of turn that into energy.
- [52:28]
Adam Schafer
How is that productive energy? Oh, because. Because it's ca. The productive energy is canceling out the negative byproduct.
- [52:34]
Doug
Yeah.
- [52:34]
Adam Schafer
So it's not necessarily not having negative because there's no way you get around not having some carbon, but because the positive that comes out of it outweighs the negative. Oh, interesting.
- [52:43]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
- [52:43]
Doug
I mean, I don't know how much traction they're getting with it yet, but I was like, that's at least promising. It's like you can start using the waste for energy.
- [52:51]
Sal DeStefano
Oh, speaking of promising, am I okay to talk about the. The Black Friday? Are we going to be doing that when this airs, Doug?
- [52:57]
Justin Andrews
Absolutely.
- [52:58]
Sal DeStefano
Black Friday starts right now. So this is who. Who this for us? Oh, this is 60%. 60% off everything. So every maps program, every bundle.
- [53:09]
Adam Schafer
Are we in November? Is this currently in November right now? Yes, it is.
- [53:12]
Sal DeStefano
Oh, wow. Yes. So 60 everything, including all the. The bundles. So bundles, programs, everything. 60 off.
- [53:19]
Adam Schafer
We have more giveaways this year too, and prizes than ever too.
- [53:22]
Sal DeStefano
So here's what happens. We're two people. So I'll tell. I'll get to how you can enter to win. It's actually kind of easy, but we're going to give away two one week stays at the Park City Mind Pump House, which includes a $1,000 travel voucher. So you're going to get the stay there plus $1,000 towards your travel for two people. Five people are going to win three months of one on one coaching from our trainers and 10 people are going to win 3 months of our concierge coaching from our trainers. And the way that you enter is if you get a bundle, every bundle of math programs you get, you get 10 entries. Every maps program you get, you get three entries. And then the guides and the Mods give you one entry. So you get three bundles, 30 entries. Your odds of winning go through the roof. So two. Two. One week stays, which is really cool. And then since we're in November, we're coming up on Thanksgiving, my favorite holiday. This is when Butcherbox gives. You can get a turkey, right? You can add a turkey to your box.
- [54:21]
Justin Andrews
That is correct.
- [54:21]
Adam Schafer
Yes. That's so convenient. Going to get the turkey at the grocery store is always a pain.
- [54:26]
Sal DeStefano
Their turkeys are delicious.
- [54:27]
Adam Schafer
They're amazing, and they're great. Every year, that's one of our. We do multiple turkeys, but that's.
- [54:32]
Sal DeStefano
Are you going to do the thing again where you fry one and bake one?
- [54:35]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, actually, I want to try three. I want to go bake one. Yeah. Bake, smoke, fry.
- [54:39]
Justin Andrews
Oh, wow.
- [54:40]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [54:40]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
- [54:41]
Adam Schafer
I bet I'll fry and smoke. And then my brother is the one who. My brother's got the baking down pretty well, and so he. He. He does the bake. And then this year, I'd like to try and do the. The smoke and the deep fry. Deep fry is easy. I don't. It's like, so easy. It's not even fair. It's like you don't do anything. Like, the deep fryer takes care of everything. It's fast.
- [54:59]
Doug
Try not to spill it.
- [55:00]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, that's. I mean, that's it. Put it outside, put in a spa, drop the sucker in. Like, you don't do it. You don't. You. You don't even season it. You don't do anything to it. You literally just drop it in the deep fryer and then it's just the oil.
- [55:10]
Sal DeStefano
You don't season it?
- [55:10]
Adam Schafer
No, you don't want to do that. You don't want to put like the. Oh, yeah, salt. And then deep fry like that. It'll pop and crack and do all. So you like, literally just.
- [55:17]
Sal DeStefano
What oil is it?
- [55:18]
Adam Schafer
Peanut oil.
- [55:19]
Sal DeStefano
Okay. Yeah.
- [55:20]
Adam Schafer
So you fry it in peanut oil and you just. You just. Yeah, you just dry it down, get. Prep it, you know, but then you. You drop it in for two hours or less. It's not even.
- [55:29]
Sal DeStefano
God, that means if Thanksgiving's coming. That's my annual workout with my cousin.
- [55:34]
Adam Schafer
Did you guys do it last year? We did it.
- [55:37]
Sal DeStefano
It's changed so much. You guys, like, this is.
- [55:39]
Adam Schafer
Oh, that's right. No, no, I remember it turned into the. Driving the race cars.
- [55:42]
Sal DeStefano
That's what's gonna become. It's just all your.
- [55:44]
Adam Schafer
All your cousins are going to want to drive the race car more than they're going to want to actually work out.
- [55:47]
Sal DeStefano
Well, it's be. What really what it's become is that, like, I have all these injuries. Excuses now. It's what's happening. It's like, hey, guys, we're gonna do the workout. Oh, my shoulder. Oh, my back. Oh, God, this workout sucks, you guys. That's where we're at, by the way.
- [56:00]
Justin Andrews
On that turkey, you can get a free one if you sign up, so.
- [56:03]
Sal DeStefano
Oh, so if you're not a member, sign up. You're not a member.
- [56:05]
Justin Andrews
You can get a turkey or a ham for free.
- [56:09]
Adam Schafer
Oh, you have the ham in there.
- [56:10]
Sal DeStefano
Oh, that's cool. I'm not a fan of ham.
- [56:12]
Adam Schafer
Really?
- [56:12]
Justin Andrews
I love ham.
- [56:13]
Doug
Oh, I love ham.
- [56:14]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [56:15]
Sal DeStefano
It doesn't taste. What is it?
- [56:16]
Justin Andrews
It's ham.
- [56:17]
Sal DeStefano
It doesn't taste. It's nothing. Tastes like nothing. It's not even good.
- [56:20]
Adam Schafer
Really?
- [56:20]
Sal DeStefano
No, I'm not a fan of ham.
- [56:21]
Adam Schafer
Shame on you say that. Maybe you just need the right person to cook you a ham.
- [56:25]
Sal DeStefano
That's what everybody says. Every time I try it, it's, like, not that good.
- [56:29]
Adam Schafer
Okay, I can get down on some ham.
- [56:30]
Sal DeStefano
I'll eat turkey. I'll eat turkey with some good gravy on it, but ham, me, whatever.
- [56:34]
Adam Schafer
There's not a lot that I don't like. What's the most overrated dish on Thanksgiving?
- [56:39]
Sal DeStefano
On Thanksgiving?
- [56:40]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. What's the most overrated jello?
- [56:46]
Sal DeStefano
Marshmallow, anything?
- [56:47]
Adam Schafer
Marshmallow.
- [56:48]
Sal DeStefano
Yams. Yeah.
- [56:48]
Doug
Oh, that's the worst.
- [56:50]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, I'd say that's over.
- [56:51]
Sal DeStefano
That's probably what's underrated.
- [56:52]
Adam Schafer
Oh, underrated.
- [56:53]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
- [56:53]
Adam Schafer
Sleeper. It's a sleeper stuffing.
- [56:56]
Sal DeStefano
Pecan.
- [56:56]
Justin Andrews
Oh, the stuffing's the best.
- [56:57]
Adam Schafer
Is that considered underrated? Because everybody.
- [56:59]
Justin Andrews
I don't think it's underrated.
- [57:00]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, I think people love it. I think everybody knows stuffing is the best. What's a good underrated dishon?
- [57:04]
Sal DeStefano
Pecan pie. Well, I love pecan pies. God, that's delicious pie ever. That's the best.
- [57:10]
Adam Schafer
I don't know. I don't know if I go, you got to throw a scoop of ice.
- [57:13]
Sal DeStefano
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
- [57:14]
Justin Andrews
Or at least whipped cream.
- [57:15]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah, that's my favorite. You know, turkey might be a bit little overrated.
- [57:19]
Doug
The.
- [57:19]
Sal DeStefano
The white meat.
- [57:20]
Justin Andrews
The white meat in particular.
- [57:21]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah. Yeah. Turkey's not that.
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Adam Schafer
Although that's what goes the best of the gravy.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
So because it's a little dry and the gravy is perfectly. I feel like dark doesn't need the gravy. I always do.
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Doug
White meat.
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Sal DeStefano
You always go white meat.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Doug
That's probably why.
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Sal DeStefano
Just as racism underlying. They wrote a book on.
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Adam Schafer
I gotta.
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Sal DeStefano
I gotta read it still. He has a. He has a wall. Have these where the turkey is.
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Doug
It's the master meat.
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Sal DeStefano
You're already going bad. Too far. Too far. You have to add that in.
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Justin Andrews
It really depends on how it's cooked.
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Sal DeStefano
I know.
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Justin Andrews
I'd say probably 90% of turkeys cooked out there are probably overdone.
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Sal DeStefano
Overdone.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. I mean, that's. That's one of the hardest parts about turkey is because there's a bit of an art to it because that's one of those meats that you can't undercook. Because if you undercook it, that's all bad. Right. You get sick from that. So you can't undercook it. So everyone is always probably a little over than like, you know what they.
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Sal DeStefano
Have at Disneyland, that's just always turkey legs.
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Justin Andrews
I love those things.
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Adam Schafer
When I was so Last year, when.
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Sal DeStefano
I was in Greece, when I was.
- [58:25]
Adam Schafer
In Florida, it was during my YouTube series when I was.
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Sal DeStefano
So you had to eat it.
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Adam Schafer
That's all I could have. There was nothing else you could eat inside there.
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Sal DeStefano
So it was just like turkey legs.
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Doug
Medieval glutton.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah. Your face is all covered in green.
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Doug
Get you a bib.
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Sal DeStefano
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Justin Andrews
Our first caller is Lisa from Colorado.
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Sal DeStefano
Hi, Lisa.
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Adam Schafer
Hi, Lisa.
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Caller/Listener
Hi there.
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Sal DeStefano
How you doing?
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Caller/Listener
How are you guys?
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Good.
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Good.
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So I guess I just. I've always been heavier. My whole life.
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Sal DeStefano
I've.
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Caller/Listener
In 2020, I lost about 90 pounds, doing a lot of walking. I did a supervised diet on hcg and then I also did keto for quite a while. So I tried to get off of that, kind of get back to more of an balanced life. And the weight has started creeping back up again and it just seems like this constant yo, yo battle. I did do the food sensitivity test that you guys recommended, the Equal life test. I had 55 different things, mostly vegetables that were on my list. So I've been doing the, the six week, 12 weeks, six months. So I'm about 11 weeks now of keeping those out of my diet and trying to kind of reset my body. So I definitely think I need to do more exercise. That needs to be part of it. But I feel like with all the ups and downs over the years and trying the different things, I worry that I've kind of messed up my gut in general and that my body's just not processing things the way that it should. And I don't know the best way to go about kind of resetting that and getting myself back on the right track for kind of a longer term health.
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Sal DeStefano
Thanks for reaching out and expressing that. So it's not uncommon for the vast majority of foods that somebody develops an intolerance to, to be plants. Okay. It's far more common. Aside from eggs and dairy, which can also tend to be high, it's almost always plants. And if somebody has a lot of intolerances, it's typically lots of different plants. And there's a lot of different reasons that we can explain why and whatever. And there's some theories, but that's just the way it is. The gut heals itself, which is. And it's actually very. You look at the cells of the gut, it's actually one of the faster renewing parts of the body. The issue though, the challenge is we need to figure out the root cause of why you have so many intolerances and possibly treat that. So you may also have sibo and you may have a parasite or not, but if we don't know those things, we can't treat them. And so then what you're doing is you're mitigating the symptoms, but then when you go back to what you did before, the symptoms will start to come back. And so we have to kind of figure that out. So SIBO is small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. SIFO is small intestinal fungal overgrowth. You could have one or both. Parasites can be a part of this. They're actually relatively common, far more common than people think, especially if You've never tested or treated yourself for a parasite, but you eat things like sushi, raw vegetables, or you've traveled abroad. It's not uncommon for somebody to have a parasite that's just been hanging out. And they're relatively easy to treat as well. And so those things can cause gut inflammation. The inflammation then is what causes these immune reactions over time. Okay. And so what you're seeing now are the immune reactions, but we would want to figure out what the. What's the root issue, solve that, and then go through a process of letting the gut heal and then you're fine, is what that looks like. Okay. Okay. So it's really common for someone with a lot of gut issues to feel better. Eating no carbohydrates, no starches, no vegetables, or, you know, even fruit can cause an issue. And until you kind of treat the root issue, it's always gonna be like, oh, my God, I can't eat anything. I can only eat this and I can only eat that. And it's kinda like mitigating things. Fasting probably feels better for you, that whole deal. So the. Yeah. So the root, let's figure out that. And to do that, you'd want to work with someone who does gut health testing so they could test for things like parasite and sibo sifo. The cabral, the people I work with, Dr. Cabral, they do all that. In fact, I think that's where you got your test from.
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Adam Schafer
Right.
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Sal DeStefano
Equal off came from Dr. Cabral. Okay. So I would contact them and I'd say, hey, I'd like to do some gut testing. I want to see if I have sibo sifo, if I have parasite, then they'll test you for that and then you can treat, you know, based off what that comes back from. And then once you've figured that out, then you can go on. Yeah. Reverse diet with some strength training is what you're going to need to do. Yeah. To kind of build the muscle, build that metabolic health, you know, get everything kind of back in order. But if gut health is poor, it's really hard to do anything. It's very difficult. You just kind of got this low level inflammation. And I know I dealt with this for years until I finally got to the root of it. And it's just like you're just constantly.
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Doug
Managing symptoms better just to address it directly.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. Lisa, have you considered hiring a coach through this process to kind of hold your hand through all I know Sal just threw a bunch of things for you to go kind of figure out on Your own. Have you, have you considered like, having. Having like one of our coaches or trainers take you through, through that process?
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Caller/Listener
I definitely have. I've tried to do a metabolism test. I did, like I said, the food sensitivity test. I've looked at a lot of different things and talked to a couple different doctors, and they just say, oh, your hormones, everything's fine kind of situation. But it definitely does feel like there's a roadblock. Unless I'm working out a huge amount, I probably average about, I would say, 6,500 to 8,500 steps a day, you know, and then I maybe work out two to three times a week at best. But they're like 15 minute workouts, like kind of short workouts. So, you know, I know there's improvement there for sure, but it just feels like if I'm not working out, you know, 15,000 steps a day in an hour workout, it's just not working.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because again, if you have this low level inflammation, you. Your, your insulin sensitivity is thrown off, cortisol can sometimes be inverted, and it just feels like you can't fuel yourself, yourself properly. You know, if you did a food sensitivity test and it came back with, like a few things on there, then we would just say avoid it. But when you see a lot of things on there like yours, it's like, okay, yes. What's causing this? Yeah, something's caused all of this to happen, and we got to get to the root cause.
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Caller/Listener
That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, I was pretty shocked seeing 55.
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Sal DeStefano
And you probably feel better not eating those things.
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Adam Schafer
The good news is, though, that we figured that out and you fix that, and it's life changing for people, so it's a big deal. So it's definitely worth the time to go get the test, research it, figure it out, and. Or have somebody kind of help you through that process. Because once you do turn that around, it's going to feel a lot different trying to get the results that you probably felt right now. It probably feels like such an uphill battle.
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Sal DeStefano
It's like you're fighting your own body. Yeah.
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Caller/Listener
Yes.
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Yeah. That's the best way to describe it, I think.
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Adam Schafer
Totally.
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Caller/Listener
It's a constant. Me versus it.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, yeah, no, totally.
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Sal DeStefano
Absolutely. So, yeah. So, so reach out to Cabral's team, and then I'll have a coach call you. And I think if you worked with two people together, you have your functional medicine practitioner and our coach working in tandem, then you'll have all your bases covered and you should you know, if this. If they end up finding what the root issue is, you're looking at, like, six months from now is gonna be very different. Very, very different. How you feel that.
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Caller/Listener
That would be amazing. That would be awesome. I really appreciate that feedback. That's encouraging.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah. Great. Well, thanks for calling it.
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Adam Schafer
We'll figure it out.
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Caller/Listener
Lisa, thank you so much. I really appreciate it.
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Thanks, guys.
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Sal DeStefano
You got it.
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Doug
All right.
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Caller/Listener
All right.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah, that's.
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Adam Schafer
I'm glad you said something that I don't know if I've heard you say on here before about when you have a bunch. I think because it's actually really common. One of the things I don't like about those food sensitivity tests, I think everybody will have one or two things.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah, that's most. Most people.
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Adam Schafer
And a lot of times you'll have one or two things, and most people are like, I actually feel fine.
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Sal DeStefano
That's right.
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Adam Schafer
That doesn't bother me. But when you see a whole bunch of things, especially in a whole category food, it's like, okay, something else is going on because it's not normal. It's more normal that you have one or two things. That's right. Everybody has to have a whole category of food that you're having an issue with. There's normally a flag that something else is.
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Sal DeStefano
When I finally got treated because I had a parasite, which. Which I didn't know, and I don't. It's not like I go overseas and live in third world countries, but, you know, in my 40s, I've been living my whole life. I'll eat sushi. All these. The odds are you'll probably encounter a parasite at some point. And I had all these symptoms, and I would mitigate them with diet and lifestyle, but I could never, you know, you guys know this. My gut would be bad, then it would be better, and then it would be bad. And when I finally treated the parasite, everything changed. I mean, 12 pounds of muscle, I gained. I can eat almost everything. Except for, like you said, Adam, if I have gluten, I can have it here and there. If I push, it starts to bother me. Dairy, I still can't do. And that's pretty much it. Whereas before it was like, yeah, I was like, oh, my God. And sometimes it was things that were okay. And I'm like, what the heck's going on?
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Justin Andrews
Our next caller is Amy from the uk.
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Sal DeStefano
Hi, Amy.
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Adam Schafer
How you doing, Amy? Hello. Hello.
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Caller/Listener
Hi, everyone. Hi.
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Hi.
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Nice to see you all.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah, thanks for calling in. How can we help you?
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Caller/Listener
So I'm in a little bit of limbo and I'm hoping you can give me some advice. I just wanted to say I really, really love the show. I've learned so much. I'm trying to get through your back catalogue of podcasts and runs and things like that. So thank you so much. As you can probably tell, I am from the uk so your podcasts do right over the Atlantic sea. So I'm 39 and I'm five foot seven and I am quite new to lifting. I only started in December 2024, so just last year. And when I started I started off in a calorie deficit of 1600 calories at that time and I joined a gym and I got really into it and I had a body scan when I initially started. So my initial starting weight was 78 kg and my body fat at that point was was 37%. My muscle mass was 22.2 kg. So I trained three to four times a week. Was really, really good on my protein intake. I get at least 150 grams a day and continue to do so. When I had another scan in March, I'd done really well. My body fat went to 29 from 37. My weight was 69kg and my muscle mass had barely moved. So my muscle mass was still 22.1kg. I was really, really pleased with that because I had expected that I would lose some muscle, but I hadn't. So I decided at that point to up my calories from 1600 to 1800 and continue with the training and things like that. And I re scanned again in September. My body fat had gone down to 26.6%. My weight was 65 kg, but my muscle mass had gone to 20.7. So I have lost about a kilo in muscle mass, which was quite disappointed about because I don't my calories and continued with my protein and doing all those good things. So my initial goal really was to get under 25% body fat and then to move into a slight bulk up to maintenance and then a surplus from that to build some more muscle. But I think the loss of of that kilogram in muscle mass throw me a little bit and I don't really know how to proceed from there, whether I up my calories a bit more, whether I pop them back down to 1600, which doesn't seem the right way to go, I don't think.
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Adam Schafer
I think you've done great on the diet side. I think this is a program thing for us.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah. But let's pause for a second.
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Adam Schafer
You've done really good.
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Sal DeStefano
I'll ask you one more question, and depending on this answer. I know what's going on here. Are you a lot stronger than you were when you started this process?
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Caller/Listener
Yes.
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Sal DeStefano
How much stronger would you say? Give me an example of a big lift.
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Caller/Listener
Well, I will say that two years ago, I had a slipped disc and I had drop four. So I'm very cautious on what I could do in terms of barbell and compound lifting. However, I think my probably biggest lift, I use the landmine quite a lot for, like sumo squats. We'll do that instead of having it on my back. And for me, it's 55 kg that I can. I can lift and do for that.
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Sal DeStefano
Okay, so when you change, when you went from 1600 to 1800 calories through that process of trying to build, how much did that change that particular lift?
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Caller/Listener
A lot. I was probably only doing 25 kg.
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Sal DeStefano
Oh, my God. No, no. So here's the thing. Those scans have a large margin of error when it comes to muscle. You want to do multiple scans, maybe once every three or four weeks and look at the trends. If your body fat percentage went down, you feel good and you're stronger, especially a lot stronger. I mean, your lift went from 25 kilos to 55, did you say? Or 45. That's a significant amount of weight difference. You didn't lose muscle. You didn't lose muscle. So that scan is. I wouldn't trust that, especially if it's well within the margin of error. One kilo is within. Within the margin of error of a scan like that. And also I can make my body look on a scan. I could change my body mass within six hours by changing my hydration.
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Adam Schafer
I also think that I'd like to have you on a MAPS program just because when you first start lifting and you do diet right, like you did, you definitely did the right things nutritionally and get into strength training. Your programming doesn't have to be that great. And you will see good results. And I think you saw good results. As you continue on, it gets a little more important on how good is your programming and that it just. As you go, as you get deeper into this. Yeah, the dialing and the programming will help continue this process. I think what you did with the diet was phenomenal and so really having some sort of really good structure. And I don't know, are you coming up with the programming? Are you getting it from somewhere?
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Caller/Listener
I've tried a few different programs and I seem to get to the point where I'M moving into those, like, you know, really big kind of barbell compound list. And I start. I start to try and do them, and I'm just. My weight's going right down, you know, when I'm trying to kind of lift, I suppose, squat with the barbell. Like, I can't. There's no way I'd be even lifting probably 30kg on a back squat to what I could do using the landmine. So I have to try and then start adapting it. It's. I think it's just my back, because when I. As soon as I. I come up from the squat, I swing to one side, whereas I don't see to do that when I'm using other equipment.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah, no. So you would. You. You could go real slow, but I'll do. This is what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna send you a program called Map Symmetry.
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Doug
Thank you.
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Sal DeStefano
And I want you to skip the last phase. So don't do that. Don't do the last phase. Just do the first phases. And I want you to just repeat that a couple times while going in, continuing to increase your calories. And you're gonna get great results from that. You'll build muscle on that. No problem.
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Doug
Strength, stability around your joints.
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Caller/Listener
That's. Yeah. Because I've just kind of been like, oh, I don't know where to go from here now. Making up kind of adapting programs to suit me, but not really kind of feeling like I'm on. I'm on any kind of path now.
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Sal DeStefano
No, it makes a big difference.
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Doug
Unilateral training be huge for you.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah. And it's all unilateral training. So because of your back and your fear of hurting yourself and you. And what you said just really solidified it for me. Your hips will shift to one direction. Unilateral trainings can be very valuable. The last phase of symmetry is bilateral, which is why I want you to skip it. And I want you to run symmetry maybe a couple times without doing the last phase. And then at the end of that, I think you'll be ready to start practicing bilateral, you know, barbell movements.
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Adam Schafer
I'll have Doug send over symmetry, and then I'd also like to have him put you in our private forum if you're not already in there, because then you can just reach out to us as you're going through the process. So if there's an exercise that doesn't feel right or you have questions about, literally, just message us and inside the Facebook forum, and then we can adjust it for you or change it or you can show us a video of how you're moving and we can help you.
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Caller/Listener
Thank you. Would you, would you suggest that I stick to 1800 or should I increase it? I mean, I do have quite a sedentary job, but I do get my 10,000 steps in a day.
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Sal DeStefano
No, you're doing great. I'd go up to 1900 and then to 2000 and then to 2100 and bump it up every. Every two, three weeks and see how you feel. But I think you're gonna, I think you'll feel great bumping your calories.
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Caller/Listener
Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well, do you know what? I usually have a banana and go to the gym and the other day I was hungry so I had a full breakfast and went to the gym.
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Sal DeStefano
Hey, what part of the UK are you from, by the way? Where are you, where are you at in England?
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Caller/Listener
So I'm from somewhere called Lancaster. I knew it is in the northwest of England.
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Sal DeStefano
I have family. So you sound, your accent sounds similar to my sister in law who's from. From right around that area. So that's why I asked.
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Caller/Listener
All right. Yeah.
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Sal DeStefano
Awesome.
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Caller/Listener
The best area, of course.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah, that's right. That's right.
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Caller/Listener
Naturally, I'm sure slightly colder than where you guys are.
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Sal DeStefano
Just a bit more.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. You're in good hands though, Amy. We got this. I think you've done an incredible job on the diet thing. I think increase. You will notice I would, I would probably keep your calories there, maybe 100 just for the first two weeks of symmetry because it's a lot of isometric stuff. You're not doing a lot of movement but that first after that bump those calories and try and keep increasing them. But you're going to have us in the forum. So if you have questions as you're going through it or concerns just this message us inside the private forum.
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Caller/Listener
Oh, brilliant. Thank you so much and thank you for your help and thanks for answering my questions.
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Sal DeStefano
You got it.
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Adam Schafer
All right, Amy, thank you.
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Doug
Take care.
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Caller/Listener
See you later. Bye.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah, it's. I mean that's the thing I want people to understand. The strongest correlate to muscle is strength. There is no stronger. Like you can't find something that is more strongly correlated. It's not perfect because you could just improve your technique and your neural drive and all that stuff.
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Doug
Sure.
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Sal DeStefano
But if you're getting a lot stronger.
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Doug
Definite sign to pay attention.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah. If she added like one rep to her exercises. Oh well, maybe we'll see. But you know, she almost. She went up you know, 20 kilos which is like 40 that 44 pounds.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Sal DeStefano
On a lift like. Yeah. You built muscle.
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Doug
Significant.
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Justin Andrews
Our next caller is Sydney from Canada.
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Sal DeStefano
Hi Sydney, how you doing?
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Adam Schafer
Sydney?
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Sal DeStefano
Hello.
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Caller/Listener
Hi, how are you?
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Adam Schafer
Good, how are you?
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Caller/Listener
Good, thank you.
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Sal DeStefano
How can we help you?
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Caller/Listener
I'll just go ahead and read my question. It says hi guys. I'm a busy 42 year old mom of three teens all in rep sports. I work a pretty active job, residential cleaning and I constantly battle overuse pain in my shoulders, elbows and wrists. I've done a ton of physio for them and mostly keep control of the injuries so that I can keep training and working and living. I have been doing matt maps 15 for about six months and recently tried to move on to Muscle Mommy. I did struggle right away, unfortunately with it being too much upper body volume. My question is how would you change up the programs to be a little more lower body focused? Since my upper body already takes quite a bit of a beating with my daily life, I can manage Maps 15, but even with that I'd love a little extra lower body focus versus the upper body so I can help eliminate some of that upper body, upper body fatigue.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah, Sydney, thanks for calling in and I feel you. So give me your, tell me your schedule. So what does your job look like? What time do you start? What are the activities looking like and like what's, what's going on?
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Caller/Listener
So my workday typically starts around 9 and goes till about 4, which of course I come right home then and into kids and all of their scheduled sports, which is every night, most nights at least two, if not all three of them in different directions. But I am like a residential cleaner so it's a lot of overhead.
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Using.
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Unfortunately I'm terrible at using my left. So it's a lot of right handed activities.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah. And so. And have you ever tracked your steps to see how many steps you take a day?
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Caller/Listener
Typically anywhere from. If I'm just going from work, it's usually about 8 to 12,000 steps. We do have a couple of dogs though, so often there is a lot more walking involved with getting them in their daily steps. So I think my day is usually around 12,000. Yeah.
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Sal DeStefano
What does your sleep look like? It is. What does your sleep look like by the way? What time do you go to bed? What time do you wake up?
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Caller/Listener
My sleep has actually gotten a lot better lately. I used to be a terrible sleeper, but I do tend to get pretty much seven to eight hours every night.
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Sal DeStefano
Okay. Would you say generally mind if I Ask you another question, Sydney?
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Caller/Listener
Sure.
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Sal DeStefano
Would you say generally speaking, with just kids, you have three teenagers, a lot of work, work, trying to keep up the workout, diet, all that stuff. Would you say generally like, oh my God, this is. I just feel overwhelmed.
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Caller/Listener
Often.
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Yes.
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This is probably the worst part of the time of year for us because we're back into school and all the sports start up now. So this is kind of a, the craziest time for us. And it's definitely overwhelming.
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Sal DeStefano
Okay. So I, I, rather than adding or switching out volume, there's a couple things I'd want you to focus on. How are you with water intake? Do you drink enough water every day?
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Caller/Listener
Probably not.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah. Let's increase that because that'll make a big difference with pain. Okay, that makes a really big difference. And so what you want to do is aim for a half a gallon to a gallon a day. And I'm assuming at work you probably just lose track. You just get into what you're doing. So you're not drinking.
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Caller/Listener
That is mostly it. Yep.
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Adam Schafer
Okay, so get yourself carry something that you can track.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah, carry something like even a gallon of water. And that way you could watch it all day long and it's gonna be hard to do all at once. You might want to add a little bit of electrolytes to it because that will help you absorb it. So you could add like a packet of element to the whole gallop and try to drink that all day. That tends to help with, you know, the inflammation and pain. And then what I'd like you to do is maps 15 every other day. I don't think you need more of any kind of volume. I think you need less overall volume.
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Adam Schafer
Yep. Yep.
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Caller/Listener
Okay.
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Adam Schafer
Yep.
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Sal DeStefano
So instead of going, you know, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, whatever, you go Monday, take a day off. Wednesday, take. Don't worry about the seven day schedule. Just every other day you're following the next workout that's in Mass 15 while drinking that water. And I bet you're gonna start to feel a lot better.
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Adam Schafer
The only thing I might add to that advice that we can send to you that I think would be valuable is our prime pro. And stuff around your shoulders, elbows and wrists. Some of the mobility moves that are in there just kind of, it kind of include, you can include those on your off days and on the days that you work out and just spend 15, 10, 15 minutes, you know, a couple times a day of doing some of those, the stuff that's in the shoulders, elbows and wrist and, and then follow Sal's Advice with Matt 15. And I think that's the. I think that's the appropriate amount of.
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Sal DeStefano
If you start to get stronger and your pain starts to go down, you know you're going in the right direction.
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Adam Schafer
Yep.
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Sal DeStefano
Even if it feels like it's not a lot. Like if you're like, oh, I should be doing more. I think you're already doing so much. I think your life is probably so hectic, so busy, your job is busy, you got teenagers, you got all that stuff to manage, you know, then you got to come home and worry about food and then take him to school, that stuff. I think it's. If you start to get stronger and pain starts to go down, like we know we're on the right track.
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Adam Schafer
How is, how's diet, Sydney, and protein intake?
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Caller/Listener
I pretty consistently hit my protein. I aim for about 140 to 150 grams every day and I most days do that or more. There are a few days I miss, but not very often, so that's pretty good. I only really track that kind of my calories, but loosely. So.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
Okay. Generally whole foods. Do you eat a lot? Do you eat out a lot? Like, what's are you.
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Caller/Listener
I try really hard not to. There are times where it's just not doable to get anybody at home in a day. But we do, we, we all try. I mean, of course, with the three kids being athletes too, they need it just as much as anybody else, so.
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Sal DeStefano
Right.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, yeah. I think, I think you just need to be at the appropriate amount of volume if you're good about hitting your protein intake. Mostly whole foods. And then even when you eat out, make good choices. I think that's the answer.
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Sal DeStefano
Sydney, does your husband work too? Do you guys both work in and managing all this?
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Caller/Listener
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He, he works a lot more than I do hour wise. And he's also coaching our son's hockey team. So.
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Sal DeStefano
Listen, listen. I don't think people realize just how hectic and overwhelming and busy it is when you have parents working and you have multiple children and they also have their own activities. What it feels like all day long is you have no time to do anything but all the stuff you're supposed to do. And that is a stress on the body, Sydney. And exercise is an additional stress on the body. And so we have to find a way. And oftentimes you got to scale way back. And then when you see yourself getting stronger and feeling good, what you don't want to do is like, oh, I feel good. I could do more. No, no, we're perfect. We're perfect. If you're getting stronger and the pain's starting to go down, we're perfect. Let's stay there.
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Caller/Listener
Okay.
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Sal DeStefano
All right.
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Caller/Listener
I'm definitely bad for that. I feel good. I should do more.
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Sal DeStefano
I know. Yeah. You're a mom. You just want to do it all and sacrifice everything for everyone else.
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Adam Schafer
Did you. Did you come to our Muscle Mommy talk or did you do the seven day trial in the Muscle Mommy group at all?
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Caller/Listener
I haven't. I would like to.
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Adam Schafer
I think you'd be great for that. I think you can get in. You can go in there for a free trial and join the group. A lot of the women in there are in very similar boats. As you are trying to balance life and kids and work and build muscle, I think you'll get a tremendous amount of value of that. And by the way, it comes with Muscle Mommy 15. So we have a 15 program that we built for muscle mommies. It's only in that group that gets that. So.
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Sal DeStefano
And there's any. And you get coached. You get coached by our coaches once a week. Coaching once.
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Adam Schafer
Once a week you get to meet with our girls that are coaching all the ladies in there. So I think you get tremendous value.
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Sal DeStefano
Muscle mommymovement.com. but we'll email you that too.
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Caller/Listener
Awesome. I will check it out.
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Sal DeStefano
All right.
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Adam Schafer
All right.
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Caller/Listener
Thank you.
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Sal DeStefano
You got it.
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Caller/Listener
Take care, guys.
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Adam Schafer
Bye.
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Sal DeStefano
I just want people to listen to hear this. Especially if you're a trainer or a coach. The individual variance with how much exercise someone can tolerate is so vast that I didn't appreciate it until I got. I was a trainer with 10 years of experience. I just didn't. And I could tell by looking at.
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Doug
Her, she was running off a formula.
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Sal DeStefano
That's right. And when I asked her, and that's why I asked her this question, how often do you feel overwhelmed?
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Sal DeStefano
And she's like, all the time. Essentially. It's like, okay, we're gonna scale way back.
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Adam Schafer
Well, it's so funny too, because she. I mean, she answered her own question when she went to Muscle Mommy, which, by the way, is not a crazy amount of volume in muscle me at all. For her to feel it right away and know that she had to scale back. Like you and you were doing good on 15. People just think that, oh, if I can do this now I need more. Now I need more. It's like, no, sometimes that's the right dose. Sometimes when you're. When you're feeling good, like, that's where.
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Sal DeStefano
You and this is the season her kids are going to grow up, go off to college, get more time, and.
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Doug
Some of these overused patterns, too. It's so hard for me because it's like, you know, I know specific exercises that could really unlock a lot of the pain, a lot of isometric, you know, stuff. But it's like, you know, we got the general advice, you know, you guys are given.
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Adam Schafer
Perfect. But I mean, if she gets in that muscle mommy group and she's meeting with Corinne and them every day and she has Prime Pro, she'll get that guidance and they'll. They'll be able to dive into those specific things. I really hope that she gets in there and stays in there because the girls will really be able to help her out.
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Justin Andrews
Our next caller is Diana from Ohio.
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Sal DeStefano
Hi, Diana.
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Adam Schafer
Hi, Diana.
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Doug
Hello.
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Caller/Listener
Hi, guys.
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Adam Schafer
How are you?
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Caller/Listener
How are you?
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Sal DeStefano
Good to see you again.
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Caller/Listener
Yeah, thank you for having me again.
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Sal DeStefano
So here's the update here.
- [86:47]
Adam Schafer
The update.
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Caller/Listener
Okay. All right. So since last April, I have been healthier than I think, since even my 20s.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Caller/Listener
Yeah, it's been fantastic. So I have been living in Maps 15 since we talked last April. It has been phenomenal, I have to say, for all your callers. Like, I was them and thought, there's no way this program is going to be enough. And it has literally changed my life. Like, I have never built muscle. I've never, like, sculpted none of that until Matt's 15. So it's been crazy. But I'll read my email. So, Doug, don't get mad at me, okay? So, as you know, like, I was Dr. Cabral's kind of disaster work. At the end of 2023, I went into 2024 working with his team on a collection of issues. A little over a year after completing, actually, it's been like a. Since last summer when I finally finished everything, I implemented all his supplements he recommended. I've been doing bioidentical hormone replacement therapy, and I'm just checking back in, hoping for a little more help. So from January to February, from January to March last year, I lost like 28 pounds, just like, from eating whole natural foods and being, like, just cleaning out my gut. And so I've maintained that since I was a scale worshiper my entire life. And now I don't ever even. I don't even know where my scale is. I keep it packed away. And then through bioidentical hormone replacement therapy, I do get an embody scan every four months. And so I went the beginning of September, and since last april, I lost 7% body fat.
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Adam Schafer
Wow.
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Caller/Listener
And that was just 15 pounds that I lost in that time period between the two. So I'm super proud of that. And it's shocking to me that my body at this age is just now responding to all my workouts and I'm in a healthier place. So my questions are, but I should start with my sleep is still terrible, so my cortisol spikes at night. I have tried everything that Dr. Cabral recommended that you guys recommend, and I'm still failing. Like, I cycle his adrenal soothe every three to four months. I don't. I'm not a TV person. I'm not on my phone that much. I am an overthinker and I worry a lot. So my job's very stressful. I am going through a divorce after 26 years of marriage and I just moved my only live in child to college. So life's very different for me. It looks very different for me right now. As I said, I've been living in Maps 15. I run it over and over. I do modify the exercises sometimes for a particular body part just to do something different. I get compliments all the time about how I look. People ask what I'm doing for workouts, which is when I scream your praises every time. Everyone thinks that I'm still losing weight and I weigh the same amount that I've weighed for over a year now. So my issues are my triceps are absolutely disgusting. Like, I have very nice arms until I got pregnant with my son at 34 years old. I gained a lot of weight during that pregnancy, and my arms love to claim every one of those pounds. When I lost the pregnancy weight pretty quickly, I swear it looks like my arms are separate it into two different arms. And I'm so insecure about that that I hate wearing sleeveless tops. I'm sure they probably look somewhat better now than a year ago, but there's still a whole lot of work that needs to be done at the same time. It always felt like I couldn't grow my shoulders and I had never been able to do a push up, not one push up. So I decided I wanted to start learning how to do push ups. So I started doing like 10 girl push ups and then I'd wait a little bit, do 10 more. So every morning I was doing 40, then it got to 50, then it got to 60, and my shoulders look way better. But I can't see a difference in my triceps. And I can now do three real push ups.
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Sal DeStefano
All right.
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Caller/Listener
Yeah. So you guys always talk about not adding anything to the workouts when following a Maps program, and I'm just wondering if that counts for maps 15 given those are shorter workouts. So my question is, tell me how to improve problem areas when following maps 15. And given where I'm currently at in life, should I try to do a longer program again or continue to live in Maps 15? I sleep good for maybe four hours, and then I wake up, like, every 20 or 30 minutes after that. I just bought the how to build a butt mod, and I'm wondering if I can add that into Maps 15 and what that would look like. Thanks so much for your time. You guys are still food for my soul. I know my son Steven is up in heaven, smiling down, thinking she is finally listen. So I love you guys. I'm truly grateful for you, and if you only know how much joy you've brought me.
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Sal DeStefano
Thank you so much. You're doing great.
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Adam Schafer
What if I told you there's a Muscle Mommy 15 program that focuses on shoulder and butt?
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Caller/Listener
There's a muscle Mommy's 15.
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Adam Schafer
That's. That focuses on shoulders and butt. It's inside the muscle. It's inside our Muscle Mommy group. You got to. You got to get in there. Yeah, you got to get in there.
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Sal DeStefano
Okay, so let me just back up. First of all, you're doing great. Yeah, you're doing amazing. Y. The next level for you would be to work with a coach in some way, shape or form just to get some more guidance through this process. That's what our Muscle Mommy group is. So you go in there, it's group coaching. Once a week. Our trainers help coach you, and it includes the Muscle Mommy 15 program in there. And then what they can do is tweak your program as you go along because you've. I mean, by the way, if we back up, if you just keep doing what you're doing, you're doing great.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Sal DeStefano
I mean, you honestly don't need to change anything. But if you want to start to move things along a little faster, it's going to take some more detailed changes, which is what you get with the group coaching. And I think that would be the best option for you.
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Caller/Listener
Okay. I do want to join that group. I've seen all the emails, and I do want to join. I'm just still in a. In an area like a time in my life. I'm adjusting to one income instead of two. Like, this is all very new for me, so it's kind of difficult right now, but I am Looking at that. And I do want to do that.
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Sal DeStefano
Have you done. Have you done the trial period in there? Yeah, because that doesn't cost anything.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, get into the trial period at least so you can experience. So you can experience it.
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Sal DeStefano
So get in the trial. And if it doesn't work, you could just jump out. But if you think, like, okay, I can do this, then do this. Otherwise. Otherwise, I mean, you're doing great. I wouldn't add anything to what you're doing, except for.
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Adam Schafer
Except for little details in the program.
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Sal DeStefano
That's right.
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Adam Schafer
That's exactly what you're gonna get in there.
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Sal DeStefano
That's right. And as far as your sleep is concerned, you got. I mean, sending off a kid to college is enough to cause that. I know what that's like. Like. But then you also got. You're going through a divorce. It's going to be really. And you're doing all the right stuff. In fact, if you didn't do all the right stuff, your sleep would be even worse. So just. Just got to be patient with it.
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Adam Schafer
I'm. I'm also. I can be terrible with my sleep, and it's for the same reasons that you are. I'm a thinker at night. I just. It's hard for me to shut the brain off, especially when I have a lot going on in my life. Shoot. Last night was a night like that for me, where I just could not turn it off so bad that my. I. I'm sitting there in silence, and my wife will elbow me at, like, midnight, and she'll say, stop. And I'm like, I'm not talking. I'm just laying there. But she says, you can hear me thinking. That's how I am at night. One of the things that really helps is either listening to an audiobook or reading right before that way, because it takes my mind away from all the things I'm doing, and that kind of, like, rocks me to sleep a little bit. So I'm kind of listening to the book or I'm reading the book. And that takes my mind off the business or off the personal stuff I got going on. That really helps me.
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Sal DeStefano
You could also try Brain fm. Have you ever tried?
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Caller/Listener
I haven't tried Brain fm. I do use mellow, and I take magnesium before bed. I don't have any problem falling asleep at all. It's just once, that four hours. Sometimes it's only three. I wake up, and from that point on, it's just downhill.
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Sal DeStefano
It's.
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Caller/Listener
It's. I'm looking at the clock every 20, 30 minutes, seeing how much time I have left to try to sleep.
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Sal DeStefano
You could try. You could try Brain fm. And Brain FM has helped. There's some studies that show that it helps people stay asleep as well. Or if they wake up, they go back to sleep. So you could try that as well. Reading is always good. So I've been seeing some data now because what they used to say is if you wake up, just keep your eyes closed and stay there. Now I'm seeing some data that says get up with really low level light and then do something else, like read a paper book until you get tired and fall back asleep. So. And I've now seen some experts kind of communicate that because what you said is so common, like where people will wake up and then it's like they're stressfully trying to go back to sleep. And as more time passes, they're like, oh, my God, I only have two hours left. Oh, my God, I only have one hour left.
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Caller/Listener
Yeah.
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Sal DeStefano
And it becomes this cycle. So I've actually.
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Caller/Listener
And I just started thinking, yes, I've.
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Sal DeStefano
Heard some experts say actually get up, but with low level light, don't turn on bright lights and then read. You could get one of those, like, books, lights that go right on your book. And then like, read a paper book until you start to feel sleepy and then try to go back to sleep.
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Caller/Listener
Okay. And then about adding, like, things and like, so for my triceps or like the butt mod thing, like, is that, does that make any sense or is that like over training then?
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Sal DeStefano
I don't, I don't want you to add anything because you're doing so well. Yeah, yeah, I don't want you to have anything. You could always swap exercises out. So in other words, if, if one of the days is. I'll just throw this out there. One of the days is a tricep and a bicep exercise. Well, I'll just do one bicep set and then do the rest of the sets before the triceps. So I could swap sets out like that.
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Caller/Listener
Okay, well, I did. I'm actually start. I just, I'm in phase one of Maps 15 advanced and this is my first time ever barbell training.
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Adam Schafer
Oh, that's good. Oh, you're good, that's good.
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Sal DeStefano
Oh, no, don't do anything else.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, just follow that.
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Sal DeStefano
No, no, you're not doing it. Don't do anything else.
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Adam Schafer
Yes, that's gonna be good.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah, this will be great.
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Caller/Listener
And I, I should tell you guys, so I belong to Planet Fitness because it's the closest place to. And then there's always stuff that they don't have, like regular squat and things. But my Planet Fitness just got three real squat racks.
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Justin Andrews
Wow.
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Adam Schafer
Oh, wow.
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Caller/Listener
Like what's happening? It's the only Planet Fitness that I know of that actually they have a, they have a hip thrust machine now. They have the three squat racks and then they have a hack squat.
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Adam Schafer
Oh, wow.
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Caller/Listener
So all right. For whatever reason. So that one is. Yeah, that's great. But and I also wanted to say like I have starved myself my whole entire life and since I worked with Dr. Cabral last year and I started eating whole natural foods, I thought, I thought I was around 1700 calories a day. And last night I went through before talking to you guys and I'm literally eating 2800 calories. Like 2800 calories and lose weight and I'm at like 184 grams of protein a day.
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Adam Schafer
You are kicking butt so good.
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Caller/Listener
And I'm at 95 grams of fat. Is that, that's great.
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Adam Schafer
That's all great. Yeah, you're good. Great. You're good.
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Caller/Listener
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
Yes.
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Caller/Listener
Okay.
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All right.
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And then on the embody scan a year ago I was at 115, 152 for visceral fat and now I'm 101.
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Adam Schafer
You are kicking 50 pounds of fat down.
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Caller/Listener
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
Think about that for a minute. That's so incredible. You. I mean, I, I hate to ever to mess with somebody who is seeing that kind of results. You really don't want to.
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Sal DeStefano
That's why I said, that's why I'm saying don't tweak little things. I don't want you to really change anything.
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Adam Schafer
Yes.
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Sal DeStefano
Unless you work with a coach who individually.
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Doug
You're humming right now.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Sal DeStefano
That's really the only time I would change anything. Anything for you.
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Caller/Listener
Okay.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah. Because I could train you and coach you and then I'd know what to change here and there like grip position. But generally speaking, right now I don't want to, I don't want you to change anything except for trying to get better sleep, but there's really nothing else.
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Caller/Listener
Okay.
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Okay.
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Sal DeStefano
Great job.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Caller/Listener
Yeah, it's. Well, it's all for you guys. I mean you guys taught me everything I know and I'm still telling people about you. And my sister in law finally just bought her first Matt Maps Maps program.
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Adam Schafer
Oh yeah.
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Caller/Listener
I told her if you guys would, could get a hold of her, you would tell her to fire her trainer. And our husband's telling her that. So. So anyway. But she. She is gonna start anabolic, so that's exciting.
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Adam Schafer
Oh, good. That's exciting.
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Caller/Listener
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
Awesome. Yeah, Awesome. I hope we see you in the muscle mommy group, because then if we can keep it a closer eye on you.
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Caller/Listener
But you're doing great.
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Adam Schafer
No matter what, you're doing great.
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Sal DeStefano
It's muscle mommymovement.com. and I know that there's. I believe it's a week where you can go in there for free and just see what it's about, get some coaching, and then you can decide from there or not. But otherwise, you're doing great.
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Caller/Listener
Okay. All right. Well, it's always great hearing from you guys and being on. Thank you. And I love you guys. I listen to you every morning. Adam, the episode was on the other day about yours, about Max, you know, take care of your sister through the night. And it just made me cry while I was getting ready for work.
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Adam Schafer
That's the emotional time. I think about it.
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Caller/Listener
Yeah. Yeah. You guys are great. You're great dads and great husbands.
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Sal DeStefano
So thank you.
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Adam Schafer
Thank you.
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Sal DeStefano
We love you. Thank you.
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Adam Schafer
Yep.
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Caller/Listener
Thank you. God bless. Have a good day.
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Adam Schafer
All right. Wow. What incredible 50 pounds of fat running maps 15.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
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Doug
Just humming.
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Adam Schafer
Well, I mean, she's eating 2, 800 calories.
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Sal DeStefano
I mean, imagine if her son sleep gets. And here's the thing, like a divorce and. Oh, my God, it's gonna.
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Adam Schafer
Amidst all these things.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah, that's gonna be tough. But the waking up, you know, it's funny. I just heard an expert talk about this where he's like.
- [101:53]
Adam Schafer
About getting a reading.
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Sal DeStefano
He's like, get up. Like you're. It's not happening. Get up. Do something. Keep the lights low until you start to feel drowsy. Go back to bed. He's like, I've had great success with people who struggle with that.
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Adam Schafer
There's something.
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Doug
I feel like it would be all.
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Adam Schafer
The way up, you know, it's. It is. You're right, though, because I. I'm just like this, where you start. Start looking at the clock and you're like, oh, I can only get Exactly. Yeah, you start straight, and you overthink that versus, like, I go through periods.
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Doug
Of that for sure.
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Adam Schafer
That's. That's the worst. But, yeah, I mean, dude, you hate to mess with anything.
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Sal DeStefano
I know.
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Adam Schafer
That's like, she is just, like Justin said, humming. I mean, that's incredible results all the way around to be eating that much training in Maps 15. See the body fat. Do that. See them? I mean, that's. That's so good.
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Sal DeStefano
Yep. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. We'll see you at Mind Pump Media.
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Justin Andrews
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