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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews)
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Mind Pump. Mind Pump.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
With your hosts, Sal Destefano, Adam Schafer.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews)
And Justin Andrews, you just found the.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Most downloaded fitness, health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. In today's episode, we picked some questions from our Instagram page mindpump Media to answer that were posted from listeners. But this was after the intro. Today's intro is 50 minutes long. In the intro, it's about fat loss and muscle gain and fitness. It's also about current events and family life. It's a good time. Again, if you want to post a question that we might pick, go to Instagram indpumpmedia. Now this episode is brought to you by some sponsors. The first one is deep clean coaching. This is for people who are trying to stop the pornography addiction. If you want to quit porn, it's hard. It's so easily available. They've engineered it to make it so crazy alluring. You know the data, it's bad for you. Well, check this out. If you go to deepcleancoaching.com mindpump there's seven days of coaching. It's seven day trial to help you break the cycle. This includes coaching calls with an expert. There's group trauma care sessions led by certified coaches. You have masterclasses on intimacy, purpose and healthy relationships. And of course they give you some structure, they give you guidelines, they teach you how to Break the cycle. Pornography is addictive. It's hard to stop. It's free for seven days. Deepcleancoaching.com mindpump Go check it out. This episode is also brought to you by Caldera Lab. This is skin care for men and women. It works incredibly well. In fact, one of their studies shows over 90% of people saw healthier skin, younger skin, less blemishes. Their products are all natural. Go check them out. Go to calderalab.com that's C A E, sorry, C-A-L-E-R-A lab.com mindpump, use the code mindpump20. Get 20% off. It's also black Friday right now for mind Pump. That means all maps workout programs, all program bundles, mods, guides, everything. 60% off. This is the biggest sale of the year. It's only once a year. Go to mapsfitnessproducts.com, use the code BLACK Friday for the discount. By the way, every purchase enters you into a contest. Two people are going to get one week for free at the mind pump park city house. Fifteen people are going to get personal training. Ten people are going to get to spend a full day here at mind pump studios. Every purchase enters you. And Again, everything is 60% off. Everything go to maps. Fitnessproducts.com the code is black Friday, you.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
You know, what's interesting is that there are effective ways to build muscle proven by studies and experience that a lot of people simply don't take advantage of. In fact, the majority of you watching this right now are not doing the next six things we talk about that can build tremendous muscle on your body, especially if you've been working out for a long time. So we're gonna talk about them. There's five weird ways, ways that actually trigger muscle growth that you should be using. And we're gonna get into it. Let's go ahead.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
I do all of these. Yeah, all the time.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
No, you have your. You have your bread and butter stuff, right? That I think a lot of people now are familiar with, like compound lifts and, you know, progressive overload and, you know, that kind of stuff and workout programming. I think a lot of people still get that wrong, but more people are getting it right now than ever. And that works. That definitely works. But there are areas of strength training that people just, in fact, they may sprinkle in a little bit about what we're talking about, but they don't do legit cycles of what we're talking about where they actually make it their programming for a block of time, which is a huge miss, very big mess. Yeah.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
And I think too, it's especially like isometric train, which we'll get into. But like there's, there's certain techniques that I think that it can get kind of mundane or, or it's, it's, it's hard to kind of mentally structure that. So it's like, okay, how long do I do this? Like, what's what, how many weeks should I be doing this and get. Gain the benefit from it? But there's definitely a way that you could program this where you're going to get max effect out of it.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Well, you, what you said was what I was guilty of as a young trainer. So I understood, maybe not to the same level that I do today, but I understood the value of all these things enough to sprinkle them into my work.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
That's right.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
And so, and that's kind of how I thought about it was like, oh, I know they're valuable. I've read some of the stuff on it. Like, I'll make sure every now and then I throw some of these exercises in there that complemented all these tips. But never did I ever build a program or a routine where I dedicated a phase to like this way of training all the things you're going to cover. And it wasn't until really, it wasn't really structured until we started writing a lot of math programs. I mean, and I think that idea of creating that for others, you know, again, we're, we're. I'm very guilty of being a better coach for other people than myself. Did I really apply that and went, oh my God. This whole time that I've been teaching.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
Best for you, but I haven't actually been doing it myself.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yeah, no, same. I. So I'll tell you what we're about to talk about. You should do probably for a minimum of three weeks, and in some cases you could do as long as 6, 8, 12 weeks to really reap the benefits. Because when you do it, when you change your training and use some of these things, like doing them once will give you a little bit of benefit. But you don't get just like when you practice a traditional lift, like a barbell squat, there's a learning curve. You get good at it, which you progress as you get good at it. But once you get good at it, then you really take off, right, with the muscle and the strength and all that stuff. Because at first you have to learn how to do the lift and get your body used to it first. And there are, again, there's progress in that, but then the progress really takes off after that. So what. Start with the first thing, which is unilateral training. Unilateral training is training one body, sorry, one side at a time. And most of us will do some form of unilateral training sprinkled into our workouts. So, you know, we're doing a shoulder press and you might do a one arm shoulder press here or there. More often than not, it's an arm exercises. Maybe sometimes in back you'll do a one arm row or something like that. Rarely in chest do you see one at a time or alternating. But almost nobody does a full block of programming that's centered around unilateral training. And it's incredibly effective. And we know this personally because we have a program called Map Symmetry that is a unilateral training program. And the feedback we've gotten from people who follow it, insane, insane. And a lot of the feedback is from people who are experienced people that normally wouldn't expect to see this kind of progress because they've been working out for so long. And they're, they're giving us DEXA scans and they're showing what's happening. And I'll give an example. I remember there was an episode we just. With this young lady who'd been strength training for a long time, already fit. She did a DEXA scan. And a DEXA scan will show you your lean body mass and how it's dispersed on your body. And so you can see that your right arm has, you know, 0.5 pounds more muscle and your left leg has a little bit more here, which is normal. So you're not going to have perfect symmetry from side to side. But anyway, she followed the program and the discrepancies suddenly balanced out, which equated to a few pounds of muscle gain, which was huge for her, which would not have happened had she stuck to traditional workout program. But it's because she did unilateral training for a prolonged period of time that happened.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
It's just one of those natural things that just addresses what needs like any imbalance, any kind of dysfunction, like we, we just stay there and we allow the body to, to actually like connect and, and really, really strengthen, really strengthen that, that entire joint around the joint and get everything moving functionally at its optimal again. And you're not going to allow for that time if you don't dedicate, you know, an entire block to that.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
That's right.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
I, I mean, of all the six that you've, you've listed here, I would make the case that this is probably like, because they're all, they're all valuable for building muscle and strength. Right. Especially if you've never done them for a full block and consistently. But I would make the argument that this one is the most necessary or the most valuable.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yeah, I would agree.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Just because this is the one you.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Could do the longest.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
You do 12 weeks of unilateral training.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
I think, I think there's a lot of pros to it. I think I, I see way less injuries in unilateral work. People, obviously you're not going for max load because you're not, you're not working bilaterally. And so you see less injury. You see much better focus and connection because you're just kind of focusing on one side versus moving the, the weight. Most everybody, like nobody is perfectly symmetrical. We're all, we all have somewhat of imbalances, so everybody's going to get some benefit. How much benefit you get from it really depends on that, how much of that discrepancy you might have. And so of all the ones that you're about to list, I think this, this deserves to be the first one talked about because I think it's the most necessary of all of them. And probably what I consistently did with most all of my, I think it.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
It stress tests more like the lateral and rotational forces also, which is so like if you're more anti rotational and you're strong in anchoring your body, like that translates so well once you go back to the barbell lift.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Totally. Totally. All right, next up, isometrics, you guys. In a three week period, nothing will build more strength in a faster way than isometrics. Now the downside of isometrics is that initial burst of strength quickly levels off, but almost nothing builds strength as fast. When they do tests on isometric training, you'll see a dramatic increase in force production in a very short period of time. So, you know, if you could add five pounds to a lift in from one week to the other, like if you do bench press this week and you did 150 and the next week 155, that's huge. Like £5 is huge. Isometrics as a percentage blows that out of the water, you'll see 20, 30% increase in your. That would be equivalent to somebody adding 50 pounds to their bench press in a week. And this happens with isometrics, especially the kind of isometrics where you're driving into something as hard as you can that can't be moved, which I believe is called yielding.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Isometric yielding. And what overcoming?
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Or is it overcoming? I think it's overcoming. Overcoming, overcoming. So this would be like I get under a bar that's like I'm a bench press. I get underneath it, but I load it with more weight than I can move. So I put, you know, £500 on or something, and then I press against it as hard as I can. And I do this for 20 seconds as hard as I can. That is a set. And that generates crazy strength gains. And I don't know anybody who's done three weeks of just isometric training.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
Yeah, well, it's so taxing too. I think people don't realize, like, what a challenge that type of a workout is.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
And then it's max force.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
And so it's like, there's part of that. It's almost like you don't get that initial reward of like, I lifted it up, you know, I did this thing and then it produced that. It's like I just like, really exerted a lot of effort. But the, you know, the carryover from that and the strength gains from that are real and substantial. And it's also like, just amazing in the fact that it's so safe.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Totally. This is an example too, where, you know, we long, if you've been a long time listener, we haven't, we haven't talked trash about the Smith machine in a really long time. But here's an example of a great place.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Sure.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Use that.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Sure.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Because I know someone's going through their head. They hear you say, like, put 500 pounds on a bench press. Like, you can't do it. Like, how am I going to do that? You know, if maybe you don't have a bench press that has the adjustable safeties and everything like that. Because not a lot of bench press. Bench benches have that. But you can get on like a Smith machine if you don't have access to that and load the Smith machine like that and press against that and be a great use of that.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
That's. That's right. And so what this would look like. So for just to give people a little bit more detail, let's say today I'm going to do chest, shoulders and tricep. For isometrics, I'll do three sets per body part and I'll pick an exercise set. One is at the bottom where I'm driving as hard as I can for 20 seconds. Once I've done resting, you know, give myself a normal rest, two minutes, then I'll move the bar up a little bit. Now I'm pressing at the mid range as hard as I can for 20 seconds rest and then the last set is towards the top. So I'm hitting kind of throughout the rep. I'm doing an isometric and you can do this for chest, shoulders and triceps on that day or give you a back biceps or you could do it for legs, glutes or whatever. Do two or three weeks of this. Go back to your regular lifting. Tell me you're not stronger, tell me you don't see some gains. It's pretty crazy. Next up is to get good at a weird lift. Now what I mean by weird is not necessarily a lift that looks weird, but rather unconventional. A lift you're not used to. Pick an exercise that you, that you've never really got good at and then say to yourself, over the next three months, I'm going to get good at this exercise. So let's say it's front squats or maybe it's a one arm clean or maybe it's a pull up or whatever, right? Pick an exercise and then dedicate yourself to getting good at that one lift over a two month period of time. And you get newbie gains, you get newbie gains from learning this new exercise over that period of time.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
Especially if it's a compound lift for sure because then you're just, you getting better at that lift and then building up your body around it. So all the accessories that, that'll help, you know, promote a better outcome for that one particular lift. It's so interesting when you hyper focus on, you know, one lift that's, that has a lot of carryover like your entire body benefits.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
This is, this is one of my favorite tips of all the six. And this is my favorite because looking back at my journey of over two, two, two and a half decades of weightlifting, one of the things that's kept me going is getting introduced to new cool lifts and the, the, you know, time it takes me to go from I'm terrible at this to getting good at it and then the benefits that follow that all the time. It's like, it's such a great way to break up the basic training that we all tend to probably go back to like it. I think we're all creatures of habit and tend to do this like, you know, oh, this is the way I like to lift. Therefore you do it all the time. And. Or that's produced the best results. Therefore you do it all the time. And there's huge benefits. Learning a new lift that you're. That's unconventional. A Turkish get up, a windmill, like, you know, a single leg deadlift. Like, there's so many, there's so many different, very unique exercises. Z press like that, Zercher squats. I mean, the list goes on and on. That very few people ever do that have tremendous benefits. That, you know, what a fun way to just like, you know what? I'm not going to really worry about body fat percentage right now or, you know, building, you know, PRs. I'm gonna get good at this lift and that's. I'm gonna build my routine around practicing. It's always served me in my journey of, like, consistency. And so I love this tip. Not just for the benefits of what you're talking about for strength and muscle, but even for just consistent consistency around your journey.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yes, yes, yes. It makes it real fun. All right, next up. This is one that some people have tried, but a lot of people haven't. And the ones that have tried it tend to be fanatical about it because it does work in a short period of time. This is crazy at building strength and muscle. And it's more, it resembles more traditional strength training. So you're not doing isometrics, you're still doing lifts, but it's super low volume, high intensity. What does this look like? 1 set per body part per week to absolute failure. That's it. This is an old method of training. Heavy duty was what it was called in the 70s. Dorian Yates did a version of this in the 90s.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
That was Mike Mentzer's thing.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Mike Mentzer did it in Heavy duty in the 70s. And it's intense, it's short, and you get strong very quickly. Now the results stop pretty quickly too. Typically after four weeks you're not getting that much stronger. But initially you're building some muscle and some strength, especially if you feed yourself properly. So you're going in and you're warming up. Everybody get real warmed up before you do this. So you got to do a few sets, get warmed up, then you get out of the bar and you go to absolute muscle failure. Like, absolute failure. Like, I'm not going to be able.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
To crank that dial.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
I'M not going to be able to do, not only just not do another rep but I like I'm going to fail at the rep. So you want to make sure you're safe and you're in a place where you have safeties or whatever and then you're done. Then you go to the next body part. The next week most people will add five to ten pounds to their lift. This is just what you see probably for like three or four weeks.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Now I imagine you recommend this in a relatively short three week probably block. Also this is probably best for your more advanced lifter than a brand new person. Oh yeah, right. Taking like this is like someone who wants to break a plateau. You've been training for quite a few years already. You have good form and technique. It's like here's a cool thing to throw in there to, to produce some more muscle and strength. Beginner you, I mean especially first three years you have so many, so much of the basics give you the best muscle gains. Like this isn't the best advice for plus risk reward, risk reward here.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
But absolutely like this works really well for someone who's been training for a long time who's done like a whole high volume training.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah, bodybuilder type trainers and that's like.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
They go to this real low volume, high intensity approach and then boom, five pounds of muscle.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
It's a switch.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Oh yeah, totally. Next up, one lift a day, every day. That's it. You do one lift for maybe five sets a day. Make them compound lifts, super basic. Stretch this out for 8 weeks, pick few exercises. I mean you could definitely do a new lift every day. But I think if you picked, you know, out of five or six exercises and just practice these, you know, and kind of cycle through them, you're, you're in and out of the gym very quickly. You'll get strong pretty quickly. And for a lot of people this amount of volume is quite appropriate.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
I really want to experiment with the grade eight like this.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yes.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
I think the grade eight actually done on an eight day cycle instead of a seven day cycle and just repeated is totally unconventional. Not how someone would ever write a program because you're going eight days, you know, so you're not necessarily going to hit everything twice in a week or like that. But I just think that consistency of every day doing just one good lift like that and covering all the bases, I really want to experiment with that and I think I've had a few people DM me that they want to try that. I think that would Be a great way to do, do this idea totally.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
And then last, change the tempo of your lifting to extreme places so you can either lift really fast. This is explosive. You better be experienced. You have to have good control and stability. This is the more dangerous side of what I'm talking about. But explosive list lifting, especially for people who always train like a bodybuilder will pack on some muscle. On the other end of the spectrum, really slow reps, like I'm talking like 10, 15 second lowering and raising of a rep can definitely move things forward if you, especially if you never train that way.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
The key to this advice is identifying which one you identify more with. Like do you train more like an Olympic lifter where you're like a lot of your lifts are kind of explosive already. 1, 1, 1 Tempo, right. Where you like drop the bench press and that's kind of how you press. Or are you the guy that's kind of more like the bodybuilder where you kind of really lower it slow and press and then going the opposite of the spectrum. So I first identifying which one do you tend to do more and then running a cycle of the opposite of that.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
I think now I got to say this with the fast lifting. Your set is done when you can't move fast anymore. Anymore. So sometimes people will do like an explosive style lift and they'll go until they can't go anymore. But they, they should have stopped five reps ago because the rep started being slow. Yeah.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
And they're just looking at the rep number and they're not really like paying attention to that. Yeah, for sure. Because it diminishes real quick. That fatigue sets in, the velocity goes down and then that's. That defeats the purpose.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
What would you say about 50 of your normal workout load? Because I think that's the mistake people will make is the reps are low.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yeah. Like it's not.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah. You shouldn't be going to failure. It should be about speed.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Once the speed is gone slows down, then you're done with your set. Right.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
Even slow would be like low reps as well, right?
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yeah. Well, yeah. You could do a 15 second lowering and positive. That would be two reps for an hour. You're there for a minute.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
Like two exercises.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Now typically it's one rep. If you go real slow reps, it's one. Right?
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
Yeah, one rep.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
I have an honorable mention since. Since you went the direction of super low volume, high intensity. I think like a GVT cycle is such a cool thing.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Few exercises, a lot of sets.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yes. I. I think that I got a lot of benefit the first time I was introduced to that. And that concept seems. What's. Because I came from the guy who was like, mix it up every day, never repeated a workout, did all kinds of exercises. Right.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
You're going in one exercise. Yeah, that's all I'm like, that's all.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
I'm doing was one or two exercises for 10 sets, and that's the. That's the total workout. I saw huge benefits of that. And especially. And this one, I like this one earlier in your journey because you get the practice of these good lifts.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Great point.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
So if I were to advise somebody who. Of all these tips that were kind of gearing towards, I'd say more, you know, lifters that have a little experience. Gvt, I think, actually, is a great tip for advanced and towards a little bit beginners because you're only focusing on one lift and you get to practice it 10 times. And so what a great way to get some gains and benefits. And then also, if you're kind of a novice lifter, it's not that dangerous you're doing. You have to. You have to start with a weight. A lot of people make the mistake of putting on a weight that they think they can do for 10 sets, and it's nowhere near. I think it took me a long time to realize, like, the first few.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Few sets are easy.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yes.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Towards the end.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah. Yeah. Once you start getting a set four and five, like you are in, and so that. That's a signal that you started with too high of weight, next time you do it, you need to reduce the weight. The goal is to be able to do 10 sets of 10.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
That's right. All right, so I gotta tell you guys, this morning, I come in here, right, And I'm gonna do a workout, and Josh is in here working out. And you guys know Josh. He's. He helps run our social media. Great, great kid. And, you know, he's a boxer, so he's going through. We have, like a system in here, so there's a TV and you can hook up the music. And he's like. He's about to put on the Rocky montage.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Oh, that was him?
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yeah.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Dude, I thought that was you. I came in and saw it paused. I'm like.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
I saw Rocky iv, like, just the image. And I was like, wait a minute, what's happen?
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
I haven't worked out to Rocky for montage or any Rocky montage music in forever. Because that's. That's like, injury zone for me. Like, you play that, and I start to go above and beyond. So he's, like, going through. So I'm like, oh, bro, no, here's the clip. You got to put this clip on. There's one clip that has all the montages, so you can just hit play and it goes through.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Oh, my God.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
You. Of course, you know that. Now it's on. And while it's on, I'm working out, and I'm. I'm, you know, I'm getting back into the old headspace of, like, Rocky or whatever. Yeah. And. And I'm starting to communicate to him, like, what's happening in the scene, because I'm like, have you seen this movie? He's like, oh, when I was a kid. Which I was like, oh, bro, I gotta tell you all about this. So this is the Russian, and he's got all the advanced stuff, and Rocky's in the mountains.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
So there's so many in the. In the entire series. There's so many great montages. What's top three? Can you order them for me?
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Oh, God, that's easy. So.
- [25:01]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Because I have. I have a couple of my own.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Hearts on fire, you know.
- [25:04]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Okay. Yeah. But tell people this case, like, I can name two scenes to me that get my juices. Really?
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The best, best, best one. There's two of them training for the Russian. Yeah. So he's. There's two in. In that. In that.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
When he's out in the snow.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yes.
- [25:19]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Well, there.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
When he's in the cabin and he's doing his, like, decline.
- [25:23]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Well, that's all one. That's all one montage, right? Yeah. Because he's running the hill.
- [25:27]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
There's two montages that are separate, that are both staged at that. So a lot of people don't know that there's actually two spit.
- [25:33]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Some game here. How's it. Let's see. What do I.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
Well, the Russians doing all the science.
- [25:39]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
One of them gets it. One of them get. So he shows up in Siberia, and it's in the snow in this cabin, and he's got to get his training going. And then they. They cut to the Russian who's got all the advanced equipment and he's on the steroids and all this stuff, and Rocky's out in the middle of nowhere. So that's part. That's like, the first part of the montage. Then Adrian shows up and surprises him. Right. Which Adrian's always giving him his strength. Right. So she shows. It's a love movie. She shows up.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
I'm still doubling down.
- [26:08]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
She shows up. Then the second one is when he's in the snow again. And that's the one where he runs up the mountain.
- [26:14]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah. Okay.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
And he's on the top Drago.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah, yeah. And he lifts the wagon. Okay, so that's number one. I think we were in agreeance there. I bet you my number two is not the same as yours. So I want to hear what you're. What you would. You see.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
So that's actually not my number one.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Oh, let's put your number one.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
That's number two. Number one.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
Him and Apollo running on the.
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Mind Pump Producer or Guest
No, the original.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Right. No, not. That's number three.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
When he said when he's hitting the. When he's hitting the meat.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
No.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Okay, which one?
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Number one for me. I'm going to paint the picture. Yeah, I'm going to paint the picture. This is part two. He fought Apollo. Loss. But now he's. He's made some money. He's getting. He's married. Adrian. Yeah. And they're trying to settle in, and he's not going to fight anymore. Now he's trying to do these, like, sponsorships, but he's. He's not very literate.
- [26:55]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
He's not doing well. He's trying to get a job, and he wants to. And he's. He wants to get. Fight. Paul's inviting him to fight again, and Adrian doesn't want him to fight. Yeah. So she's like, I don't want you to. And he wants to. She's pregnant, and he decides he's going to fight, and she's just not happy with it, but whatever. And so he's training, and he's totally not motivated. Like, imagine as a husband, you're trying to do something, your wife doesn't want to do it. You know what that feels like? You're just not, you know. And so he's training, and Mickey. Mickey's yelling at him and, why aren't you doing this? Come on. And. And he's just not in it. Right. Meanwhile, Adrian's pregnant, and she's working to help support them because he can't afford it.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
And she's. She goes into labor early, and she goes to the hospital, and she's in a coma. She has the baby and is in a coma. So now Rocky's like, yeah. And he's like, I'm not leaving everything on the brakes. I'm not leaving her side. Yeah. And he's praying in the chapel there, and he's sitting next to her.
- [27:46]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
I don't remember.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
That part is sitting next to the greatest scene. Are you kidding me? I'm gonna cry right now. It's a greatest scene. And he's sitting there, and she finally comes out of the coma.
- [27:55]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
And he's like, oh, my God. And then she looks at him.
- [27:57]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Is this right before he's about to fight? She comes out and she tells him to go, go win.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Or someone says. She says. He's like, oh, I'm so happy. And then he sees the baby for the first time. He didn't want to see the baby without her. Yeah. And then she's like, can you come here? Can you do something for me? He's like, what is it? She goes, win. And then the music starts, and Mickey's in the back, and he goes, what are we waiting for? And then they go, train. And then he trains. And that montage, bro. Oh, that's funny. You want me to run through a wall? You play that? It's the greatest scene ever. That's great. That's number one. Just because of the setup.
- [28:27]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
That's good. That's.
- [28:29]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
I wouldn't even have put that on my top three, because I couldn't even remember. But I remember now. You played it out. I would say number one is the. The Russian. You know what number two is for me?
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
The.
- [28:36]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
When he. When him and Adrian get in the fight and he leaves shift, of course.
- [28:41]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
In the Lamborghini.
- [28:41]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yes.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
And he's. And he's.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
And he's going through those gated gears in the Lamborghini.
- [28:46]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
That one.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
That one sings to me. Right there.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
That's the one.
- [28:48]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
That. That's something that gets to me. Right?
- [28:50]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Get exactly what I would do. Get a big.
- [28:52]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
With the wife. Go get in the car. Go rip through gears.
- [28:55]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
That's the K, right? Yeah. Yes. That's his Lamborghini.
- [28:59]
Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
So I'm, like, mixing half of mine with, like, Karate Kid. It's getting all, like, mixed up.
- [29:07]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
You know what? It's not a coontach. No, it's a Lamborghini Diablo. That's right. Is it a Diablo?
- [29:12]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
I think.
- [29:12]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Look it up. It's definitely not a K. Put Lamborghini from Rocky.
- [29:15]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah, it's older. It's older than the.
- [29:17]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
I know because I looked it up once.
- [29:19]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
It's not the Countach.
- [29:20]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
No, it's not. It's a different one. Yeah.
- [29:22]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
The doors go up in a Countach. This. This one. I think they go up, actually.
- [29:25]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Find out what the name is. It.
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Mind Pump Producer or Guest
Is that Rocky 3?
- [29:27]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yeah. No. It's in Rocky. Rocky 4. No, it's a Rocky 4 one.
- [29:32]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Oh, it is.
- [29:32]
Mind Pump Producer or Guest
There's one in Rocky 3 apparently, too.
- [29:34]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Well, it's his.
- [29:35]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Same Lambo.
- [29:35]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Oh, maybe it's the same Lambo.
- [29:36]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah, it's the same Lambo he's only had. It's a black one.
- [29:38]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yeah. In. In that scene, he's Diablo.
- [29:41]
Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews)
Jalpa.
- [29:42]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
That's it. Jalpa. Oh, I knew it was a weird one. Pull it up so you can see it. Now in that scene, he's coming down the stairs and she goes, you can't win. And he's like, you know, he hurts his feelings. Kill me.
- [29:55]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Oh, yeah, yeah, bro, that's old.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
You can find them.
- [29:58]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Of course you can find any of these cars.
- [29:59]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
You know, these cars are not that fast at all. Yeah, it's crazy because I thought they were so.
- [30:05]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Well, I guess, because cars, bro, even like the. The lamb.
- [30:07]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Get a sedan.
- [30:08]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Even like the Lamborghini Countach, which comes later than this.
- [30:10]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
And it was 66 seconds.
- [30:12]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah, yeah. They're not fast at all.
- [30:14]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
No.
- [30:14]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah. But what they don't have and what everybody wants in the car world now, what we're gone away from is all this assistance. You are a part of the car in these cars and everybody think, like, the difference between. It's so funny. Like, last night a great video just got dropped on one of the channels that I watched, and they took The. The new ZR1 Corvette, compared it to the GT3 RS, and then the. The new 4 GTD. And you know, it's like the ZR1 is die. And they dinoed all of them. Okay, so it won with the lap time by like 2.2seconds, which is a lifetime. And so it was. It was remarkable. Yeah, it was a thousand something horsepower. Has all these ABS controls to. To help you through the cornering and do all this stuff like that. And so, you know, it wins. And then the. The second place car was the GT3RS. And then the third was the GTD just barely below that. And I'm obviously, I'm a big Porsche fan. And one of the things that I think is so more impressive is that you have less of those assistants in. In the Porsche. And it's only pushing 540 horsepower and it's only a second and a half behind that car.
- [31:20]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
I feel like you're in my group thread with my brother.
- [31:22]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yes. Who I was texting last night. I was texting your brother all night long.
- [31:24]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Oh, God.
- [31:25]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah. Yeah. Your brother and I were going back.
- [31:26]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
And forth because he's such encouraging. He's such a.
- [31:28]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
He's such a Corvette level.
- [31:29]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
You know what I'm saying?
- [31:30]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Like, best car in the world.
- [31:31]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Like, bro, stop it. Did I tell you I made him smart? I made him mad because he sends pictures of his car all the time and I poked at him. I'm like, bro, you sent more pictures of your car than your kids.
- [31:41]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Oh. Make it feel like a bad dad. And he's not.
- [31:44]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
He's a great dad. No, you've already said he's a great dad. Yeah. That's a jab, right? I know.
- [31:48]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
That's a brother. That's a brother jab, right?
- [31:52]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
He's so excited.
- [31:52]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
No, I was teasing him because he never drives it. Yeah. I asked him the other day. I'm like, we're talking. I'm like, hey, you know, like, how many miles have you put on it since you got it? He's put on, like, 800 miles. 800 miles?
- [32:02]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Dude, that's more than Doug with his car.
- [32:05]
Mind Pump Producer or Guest
I actually have more.
- [32:06]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Doug has a total of 800amongst all of his cars.
- [32:11]
Mind Pump Producer or Guest
Not entirely true.
- [32:12]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Pretty close, bro. Pretty close.
- [32:14]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
He's still driving. Like, he's still driving. 1995 BMW that has under, like, 60,000.
- [32:19]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Miles on it, bro.
- [32:21]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Like, what are you doing?
- [32:23]
Mind Pump Producer or Guest
I drive that one mile. No, my E bike got stolen.
- [32:28]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Did it really?
- [32:29]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
You didn't say that.
- [32:30]
Mind Pump Producer or Guest
Yes, yes.
- [32:31]
Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
Right out front here.
- [32:32]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Here.
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Mind Pump Producer or Guest
Well, so what had happened is I got a flat tire on the way here, and so I push it. It's really hard to push. And there's a bike shop right across the street. So I went over there. It was on Monday and the shop was closed, but they had a rack there, and I had a big heavy duty chain, so I chained it. So I figured, I'll just go over there tomorrow. Well, the next day, it was gone. Somebody had broken the chain and taken it.
- [32:54]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Wow.
- [32:54]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Even with the chain on it, you got it stolen that fast? Yeah. Damn.
- [32:58]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
It's a rival podcast.
- [32:59]
Mind Pump Producer or Guest
Yeah. Yeah, I want to call him out.
- [33:02]
Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
Producer. Like, just sneak that.
- [33:04]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
There's another producer. We'll get you.
- [33:09]
Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
Actually, we saw them on our walk, I guess, you know, with the big cameras out there.
- [33:14]
Mind Pump Producer or Guest
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [33:15]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
We had our rhino stop and talk to them.
- [33:17]
Mind Pump Producer or Guest
Yeah, they're from cbs.
- [33:18]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Oh, they were.
- [33:18]
Mind Pump Producer or Guest
So they're highlighting that little food truck, the little Vietnamese food truck over around the corner.
- [33:23]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Oh, interesting.
- [33:24]
Mind Pump Producer or Guest
Yes.
- [33:24]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Nobody watches you anymore.
- [33:26]
Mind Pump Producer or Guest
They have nice equipment, though.
- [33:27]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Hey. It's crazy how much I know, like, streaming, like, the numbers that like, it's so funny because people still. Their perspective of being on television is such a big deal. Nothing the views is like. It's. It's like a joke, bro. Unless you are like one of the like the Today show. And even something like that is like.
- [33:46]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
I remember. Was it like.
- [33:47]
Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
Those numbers aren't what they say.
- [33:49]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Me. No. Well, I watched.
- [33:50]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
I just watched.
- [33:51]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
What documentary did I just watch? I just watched something that was really good. Oh, I watched. What's. What's the name of the guy does Zoolander.
- [33:58]
Mind Pump Producer or Guest
Oh, Ben Stiller.
- [34:00]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Ben Stiller. He's got. There's a great documentary on Apple about his whole childhood and his like, you know, his dad's famous. Are you.
- [34:07]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Are you.
- [34:08]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
And his mom. So that's late in his career. They. He was born into. His mom is more famous. Was more famous when they first started.
- [34:16]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Oh really?
- [34:16]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
They created a duo couple act like that had never existed before. And the whole story is really good because it talks all about like their. Their struggle growing up and like how much their parents dedicated their craft of like, you know, and how talented the mother was. But they made it on. Who was the guy. Who was the. Who's that was. You made it once you got onto his. That his show.
- [34:37]
Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
Not Letterman.
- [34:38]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
No. Oh, Carson.
- [34:39]
Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
Carson.
- [34:40]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yes. Johnny. Is it Johnny Carson?
- [34:42]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
No. No.
- [34:42]
Mind Pump Producer or Guest
Yeah, Johnny. There's some guy before had. Was it Ed?
- [34:45]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yes, there. It's Ed. I forget.
- [34:47]
Mind Pump Producer or Guest
Sullivan.
- [34:48]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yes. Ed Sullivan. Yes. Ed Sullivan was the. Ed Sullivan was the. The pinnacle. And they got. They became a regular on Ed Sullivan because he like, so good. Their act was so original, so different. And that was like what took them off and then. And then. And Ben Stiller grew up watching his parents, you know, practice skits. But crazy how much it. It effed with him, bro. Of course, you know. Well, you know what? Really mess with them because it's. It's so sad.
- [35:14]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
You.
- [35:14]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
I have never seen more documentation of a kid and his family. So he's got. I mean the whole thing is built around. They're selling their old apartment that they had in New York their whole life they grew up in. And this apartment, I mean it's a big apartment from floor to ceiling, is full of tapes and memorabilia of his entire child. His. His parents recorded everything. Everything. And documented. I mean even fights are recorded. So they're playing audio from like the 60s of them debating an argument because they're practicing their skits.
- [35:47]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
So.
- [35:47]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
And it was always being recorded. And so they have all this great dialogue of them. Like you get to hear their struggle.
- [35:54]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Wow.
- [35:54]
Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
That's weird.
- [35:55]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah, it's totally. It's a cool documentary to watch. And then, you know what?
- [35:59]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
What?
- [35:59]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
I. I was watching Katrina.
- [36:00]
Mind Pump Producer or Guest
I'm like.
- [36:01]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Because I don't know, at this point, you could tell that as it starts, there's obviously the sister and Ben Stiller are. They have a little bit of trauma. And then. But you're watching, you're like, they were so loved and they did so much with their. Their parents took them everywhere. They did. There's videos of all this. I'm like, I'm watching. Like, how could they. How could they have not turned out good? What them up was this. So when they. When they were. They would practice their craft so much there was. They would, you know, close. Close this room off and they would be doing their skip. And a lot of their skits were like, kind of like fighting, pretending like they were fighting and, you know, calling each other stupid or doing stuff like that.
- [36:36]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Oh, but the kids.
- [36:37]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
And the kids. Yes. And they. And then they. They couldn't. They couldn't figure out when mommy and daddy were in a skit or when they were.
- [36:44]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
That's.
- [36:45]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yes. And you can see the trauma that it put on Ben and what it put. What it did to his sister. Yet they had this incredible, like, loving family, like, so you wouldn't even guess that you would not.
- [36:57]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
You make sense.
- [36:58]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
So Made sense. Afterwards, I went, oh, shit. And they.
- [37:01]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
You know what that tells me? That's weird. That's interesting. It's almost wow. Because little kids minds and brain, like you're acting. Especially if you do a good job acting, it's believable. Yeah.
- [37:09]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Well, and then. And then. And then they would see Mommy, Daddy get into a real fight and they're like, oh, you just pretending with that. Are you just acting with Daddy? Like, no. Mommy's really mad at Daddy.
- [37:17]
Mind Pump Producer or Guest
Right.
- [37:18]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Like so trying to get. So Trying to figure it out.
- [37:20]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
I still think his. His Tropic Thunder, it was the.
- [37:23]
Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
One of the greatest, one of the best ever.
- [37:24]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
And it's so. I don't know how.
- [37:26]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
I'm a Zoolander.
- [37:27]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
I don't know how. Tropic Thunder didn't get canceled yet. That is the most.
- [37:30]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Well, because it came just in time.
- [37:32]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
I don't care.
- [37:33]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Two years later gets canceled. Two years later, it doesn't make it through. So you think, okay, Traffic Thunder is one of the greatest. But it's because it's got more great actors. I mean, Jack Black is in there. You've got what's saves it with Tom Cruise. Yeah, yeah. You had. I mean, that's Cruise. Like, that's not just Ben Stiller on that one. I feel like Zoolander has just been Stiller and he. I mean, although there's other actors, but he. That's his. To me, that's his.
- [37:56]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
It's not bad. Yeah, it's not bad at all.
- [37:58]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Good dog. But if you guys haven't seen that, it's on Apple. It's worth a watch. But it really. I was watching it. I'm going. Because I. I document a lot of Max and one of the things I always think about is like, you know, how much of this is he gonna remember? Like, is he like. We do so much together. I just got that video you guys saw the other day that I. I posted that came to me from my Apple phone. And that's what got me, like, thinking about that and then also thinking, like, I could only imagine being a parent and feeling like you did so much with the kids and then yet it's still. They got traumatized.
- [38:25]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
That's being a parent. Yeah, being a parent.
- [38:28]
Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
I think we're always paranoid about it.
- [38:29]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Always.
- [38:30]
Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
If I get a. Traumatize them.
- [38:32]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah.
- [38:32]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Speaking. Speaking of trauma stuff, did you guys see. So there's all these laws that they're passing right now. I should look them up on pornography. Have you guys seen what they're doing?
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
No.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
So they are passing laws in many places where it's going to require. So there's 17 states, and I believe the UK and Italy now is doing this, where you're going to be required to prove your age before you could view pornography. So you're going to need to.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
I think that's great.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
So do I. And I just hope it's not like an easy loophole. You want to know?
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
It's crazy, like, the way Pornhub does it right now. Are you 18?
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yeah. Yes. Did you know, by the way, that they're losing. Every state that does this porn use drops considerably. What does that.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Course.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
And now what's crazy about this is people are complaining. People will complain that it's a. It's like a. What's the word I want to use? It's like, like, yeah, they don't want their personal information.
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Mind Pump Producer or Guest
Privacy.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
It's privacy issue. But I'm like, that's stupid. If it's a. If it's a regulated product like alcohol, tobacco, pornography, which legally you're not allowed to consume unless you're 18 or older. That's what the law says.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Then it's your choice. It's Your choice to consume it and then provide evidence. Otherwise we can't.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
I mean I can't afford license number or something. Like what is, what's the quality?
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
I think that I know that in some countries you get like a vpn. I think other places they require your driver's license.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
That's how it should be. It should be a driver's license that has to be scanned to even get you like a membership or an access for you to be able to do it.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
So people are there, people are saying they're. I have fears about how they'll use my porn habits against me in the future, but I'm like, they can do.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
Without going to do that anyways. Even as a free user.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yeah. So.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
And let's be honest, you're. You're going to be their number one consumer. They're not going to do anything against you.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yeah.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
The stupidest thing ever. Like, oh, they're going to sabotage.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Like. Yeah. I think it's interesting that anytime a state does this, that use drops considerably.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Well, of course, I mean I would imagine like the. I wonder what percentage teenage brain. I mean, I can only imagine.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
What.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
I would have done at the age of 16, 17 with a phone if. Yeah. If. With an iPhone, 14 or 13 and Pornhub. I mean, if that existed. Like.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yeah, like.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah. And I mean it's caught.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
It is caused so much damage and the data now is just starting to catch up a little bit on the damage that has caused young men and women both directly and indirectly through the relationships that men are having with them. Not just things like erectile dysfunction either. It's actually distorting our reward systems. It's distorting how we view people and each other and the type of. And this. There's studies on this when we had Cythiya on from. What's his company called? Doug? Yeah, Inner Deep clean circles. So he has a, he has a, A group that you can sign up for and they help you break this.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
He's actually offering like a free trial for it, isn't he?
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Is it a free trial? Yeah.
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Mind Pump Producer or Guest
Yes, it is. One week free trial.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Oh, wonderful. So that's great. So you can go on his site. What's the. Give us the link, Doug, so I can read it off here for people.
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Mind Pump Producer or Guest
Yes, it's. Let me get that over on this page. Deep cleancoaching.com forward/mindpump.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Okay. So you can go there and get seven days free. So I mean it follows classic addictive properties and the type of pornography that's Being consumed continues to get more and more and more and more extreme, which is. Which is definitely not a good thing.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
It feels like people are just now really, I think in the, even secular circles now. I, I grew up in church, and so when I was a kid, there was a. There was a huge movement in like, even the 90s against pornography. But nobody in, you know, the secular world was adopting this whatsoever that you were a crazy.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Well, it's gotten Bible thumper.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
If you were anti porn, all the sex therapists were pro it. We're telling couples it's a good idea. Like, there was. There was a lot of. A lot of pro information in the secular. I think it's. It's just now getting to this place where even the secular world is like, waking up going like, oh, I think we.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
We went overboard.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah, we went overboard with this.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Well, what's crazy to me is that used to be embarrassing. It wasn't something that you were proud of or you talk about. It's gotten so widely used now that people talk about it like it's no big deal. Like, it's not this. Like, in fact, you'll hear couples, you hear men say this, and then you'll hear even, you know, oh, whatever, it's not a big deal. You know, everybody does it type of deal. It's like, oh, no, it's. It's definitely a problem. It's definitely an issue, and it causes a lot of issues.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
And there's a lot of people now that are starting to come out and say, I didn't think it was an issue until I tried to stop. And that's how a lot of these things work.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
This is normally how that always works. Any addiction kind of works out.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
But I think it's crazy that the states that pass these laws now are seeing huge drops in use, which tells me two reasons. One, there's people who don't want other people knowing that they're watching pornography, But I don't think that's the big reason. No, I think the big reason is underage users.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yes.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Which is terrible.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
That is not good.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah. I would imagine a large percent of that is attributed to that. In fact, I bet a lot of people that are even making screaming the I don't want my privacy out there is still putting it out there. They're putting it out. They're putting their stuff in, but they're still. They're bitching about it, especially if they're already. If they're addicted to it. You're not. Like, you may not like that you're giving your ID up at that point, but you're still giving your idea. Totally.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
You know what I'm saying? I got a. There's a study on functional versus traditional training that I'd like to read to you guys. I thought it was really interesting because they tried to make a case, but when you read who the study was conducted with, it makes perfect sense. So I'll explain the studies. So what they did is they took soccer players and they had them do two types of strength training or three types of strength training. We'll say two. I'll make. I'll put two general categories. Functional training versus traditional full body strength training. Okay. Okay. So functional, which includes, you know, like monster, like band walks, TRX body weight exercises, medicine ball, like stuff that you would normally really get to functional. The other group did your traditional barbell. Okay. The researchers concluded that traditional strength training is superior for building strength and speed strength variables in the athletes. Now here's the deal. The group of people that they trained were adolescent soccer players, of course.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Huge difference.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Huge difference.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Flip that with pro athletes and you'll get a different answer.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
That's right.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
Yeah.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Who's already done, like their base level.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
Of the base foundational strength, which goes.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
To show like base. Base strength. Build that first. That's what you get.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
You guys follow that guy, this Asian cat who's a fascia training guy. Do you guys follow him? He's got some really good content. You know, I gotta, I gotta look him. I'll share it. Apologize the audience for dropping something like that and not giving you guys the link. You just reminded me that I'm Asian cat.
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Mind Pump Producer or Guest
Yeah, I'm doing that search right now.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah, so he, I mean, he, he makes a big case for any, any. He advocates obviously for strength training, like traditional strength training and the. But he actually is. He's way more interested in fascia training and the benefits of that. And he talks.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
How do you train your fascia? What does that mean? So I don't know.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
That's why I'm interested in the.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Sometimes I hear terminology like that. I'm like, are you just making something up for, you know, how do you train your.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
I've watched. I've watched enough of his, his videos to.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Legit.
- [46:14]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah, yeah, he's legit. Yeah, yeah, he's legit. And obviously I'm not. I'm not able to communicate it really well right now, but I'll. I'll share it with you guys. So you guys. And I'm pretty sure he's followed by some of our, our good friends and coaches who we have a lot of respect for in that, in that field. He was talking about Mac McClung, who's the, the two time dunk contest champion. And his dad actually didn't have him do a lot of strength training early on until way later he did Adam do a lot of like body weight plyometric. Plyometric work and stuff like that. And this guy was making the case for how important that that is related to like fascia training and stuff like that. But it's interesting. So I'll, I'll look him up, I'll bring it to the table so we.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Can, we can discuss. I had someone send me a clip yesterday that I'm like, this, is this real? And I looked up the study and I, I figured out what this person meant. So this was a clip diary of his CEO had this young woman on talking about, thinking about strength training. So she brings up a study where people thought about strength training. And then the week after they, over a couple weeks, they gained 13% what muscle?
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
13%.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Right now I'm like, my buddy sent it to me. He was like, is this true? Which, by the way, I love. He's a pastor because I'm always sending him stuff on, like end times. He sends me fitness stuff like, is.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
This all gonna do?
- [47:30]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
And I send him, oh, we want.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
To play that, that game.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yeah. I send him end time stuff like, it's coming, bro. He's like, no, that's not what it relaxes. So then he'll send me something like that. I'm like, let me look at the study.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Cyclical.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
So I looked at the study. The study shows a 13 increase in strength, not muscle. Can you think of an exercise and get stronger? Yes, yes. It's called neuromuscular.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
That's right. We. This is a, that would be a very similar study that we've talked about before where they did the free throws.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
That's right.
- [47:55]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Where they have someone who's thinking about that psychology. That's right. Like, that is. They are, they are.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Because that neuromuscular connection, that's what, that's what makes your muscles contract. And if you think of an exercise, your CNS will organize itself in a way to do the exercise.
- [48:09]
Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
Think about your golf swing sequence off.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Think about your golf swing all night long and stuff like that. Go out and play golf and you'll have a better golf day. Like, think about your free throws. It's 100% true. What a great. What a Great study though, to unpack.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Because, because she said muscle strength makes sense.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
Yeah, I know. Muscle no. 13.
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Mind Pump Producer or Guest
Oh.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
So she, she said, she said muscle.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
No, and it was wrong. I looked up the study and like, oh, she, she messed up up. It was, it was.
- [48:31]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
See, he's really good about. So he has so actually heard him talking to Berne Brown. I've actually been listening to a lot of his, his podcasts. He does a really good job.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
He does a real good job.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah, I've been impressed. One of the things he's done, because he's brought so many controversial guests, he does a really good job of going on both sides of the aisle. And in fact, he got, I guess some like, they, they wrote like this like kind of hit piece on him and he took it as a compliment because they're like, we can't tell if he's left or right or whatever like that. And so he's like, that's exactly what. Yeah. Even though, even though they were insulting him and his, his podc. He said, I took as a compliment because of that. But he has hired somebody and their only job is basically to go back and fact check and, and then on the episode where someone talks about the science, they'll put on the bottom. Bottom bar. Like the, like the, the study. The actual study.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Smart.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah, it is really smart. And so. Because I know that's a lot like everybody always. I mean, you can't win in this game. Like, if you bring anybody who's semi controversial, it doesn't matter what side of the aisle they're from. We always hear it all the time too.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
You know, it's funny though, because I'll. Because like I said, this is my buddy, so I'm constantly the Antichrist and stuff like that. And he's like, bro, relax. And I'll tease it back. Like when it happens, I'm gonna show. I'm gonna tell you, I told you so. And then he's always like, does this supplement work? I'm like, it's garbage. So we're going back and forth on this stuff all the time. Dude. My daughter, the other day, my three year old, dude, she cracked us up, bro. We were eating dinner and she just, she just pushes her plate across the table, gets up and she goes, mom, I just don't like your food. And she walks into the room, oh my God. And I was just, oh, the best. This is just so funny to me that she just said it like that. Mom, I just don't like your food.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Kids say the darnest thing.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
That's so good. My son's done that, but. Well, he's not done that. He's another thing where my aunt. He was hanging out with my aunt and he's like hugging her and I'm like, oh, you love your aunt, you know? And he's like, I love. I love her chunky, fat arms. And he's like, yeah, but my.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
My son's done that with my sister in law and some of our family. Like, oh, her stomach is so squishy. I love it. It's like, oh, my God. What's great is he does it in such a lovely way that they embrace it.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
Mad.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah, they embrace it and they let him. Can I feel your squishy stomach? I'm like, oh, come on, dude.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
That's funny. I was gonna ask you, Adam, are you gonna use the new caldera lab beard?
- [50:54]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yes.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
You're growing your beard.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah, yeah, I am. I told Vicki the last two times.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
How long you make it go?
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
I'm gonna go for a while. I'm gonna.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Oh, like a long.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not gonna. I'm gonna.
- [51:03]
Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
I'm gonna be like a pointy beard situation.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Vicki doesn't like that.
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Mind Pump Producer or Guest
I like that.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
I. I used to do that. And I liked it pointy. Well, yeah, because I have a fat face. So it takes the roundness. Gives me some.
- [51:14]
Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
Gives me some it. You know, it comes like a square, like, spare point.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
I mean, I leave it up to her as. I mean, as I should. She's the professional. Right. And so I'm sharp. She was, she was.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
So you're just gonna make it fat?
- [51:30]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
I'm gonna. I'm gonna let it. No, I'll keep it still faded and. But I wanted to.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
I'm gonna let.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
I'm already letting it grow longer each time. So it's like we're two times out now, but it's now. And she's actually the one that told me. She's like, hey, get some good beard oil and get a brush if you don't have one already. So I used to have one.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
I don't know.
- [51:44]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
It's been a long time. So I had to order one from Amazon and then I forgot that Caldera has the beard oil. So I'm like, oh, awesome. So, yeah, you'll.
- [51:52]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
I see some. I see whites in there now. More whites than ever, dude.
- [51:55]
Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
That's why I stopped.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
A lot of you.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yeah, you're the last. You're the least like of. Of all of us to go white.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Well, that's also because, you know, I don't have any on top of my head.
- [52:03]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
So if that was all clear. Yeah.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
You guys would see a lot more if it was. It's still not. Not that white.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah, I have. I have a lot. Like, if I were to let the. The sides grow, I have a lot up here and then. And then in here, and so.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Oh, I'm. I'm so far ahead of you, bro. I got white arm hairs, white chest.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
I think I'm gonna let it grow, and I think I'm gonna mess with coloring it just so I can see what it looks like. Really? Yeah. Yeah, Just. Just to kind of play with it. Not for any reason.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Black like Chris, Angela. Yeah.
- [52:29]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
I don't know if I'll go that. I don't know if I want to go darker. I'm like a dark brown mascara.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Stupid. Stupid dude.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
You know? Well, here's the thing. It has nothing to do stupid. It has nothing to do with, like. Like, I'm not insecure about gray hairs. I totally embrace it. I think it's a good look, Whatever. But I. I. One of the things I love to do back when I had hair is, like, I always changed my style on my hair. Like, I was one of those guys I like. I like to do different stuff, and.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
I don't have that anymore.
- [52:57]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
All I have is a beard to do that with.
- [52:59]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
So.
- [52:59]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah. So part of me's like, oh, maybe.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
I'll diet the rubber bands. Doug, your hair is naturally. Is it totally white? Is it silver? What is it?
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Mind Pump Producer or Guest
Honestly, I don't know. It's been so long.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
He's never gone. He's never gone long.
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Mind Pump Producer or Guest
No, I did. I. I had. I had gray hair.
- [53:16]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
You did?
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yeah. I don't remember. No, you never saw.
- [53:19]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
So we never saw me.
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Mind Pump Producer or Guest
The thing is, my friend Jamie, who. Who you met.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yeah. Love her.
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Mind Pump Producer or Guest
Yeah. Yeah. So she's a hairdresser, and years ago, she got a hold of me, and she's.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
You need to color your hair.
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Mind Pump Producer or Guest
And so she did. And I just never stopped.
- [53:32]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
So, you know, like, you would look good. Well, you know what? I think I was okay with what? I had to look like this. He's lost it now, but he used to have this, like, salt and pepper when it was. When it was like. When it was like that. I like. I like that, like. Like, half and half.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Salt. Pepper.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah, salt and pepper kind of look.
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Mind Pump Producer or Guest
No, I went a long time like that, actually. Oh, okay. I didn't really care.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
Yeah. I'm all gray now.
- [53:54]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yeah, you're full gray.
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Mind Pump Producer or Guest
I mean, I could go back, but now I'm committed.
- [53:58]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Gray's in. I mean, literally, the young kids are dying their gray, you know, say so. It's like, it's not like I've seen it. Doesn't bother me.
- [54:04]
Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
I'm so glad the tide's turning with the whole hairstyle stuff and all this.
- [54:08]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
We'll see.
- [54:09]
Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
But like, I. I showed you guys. Everett's finally got the buzz cut going. Ethan still holding strong to this freaking, like, mushroom.
- [54:19]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Are you guys watching what's going on too, with the. The.
- [54:21]
Mind Pump Producer or Guest
The.
- [54:21]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
The baggy pants are back.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Oh, yeah.
- [54:23]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah.
- [54:23]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
They're like, huge.
- [54:24]
Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah. Huge baggies going back. Like, it. This reminds. Like, I remember when I used to buy pants, like when you can't see your shoes, size like 48 jeans, and you loop them over just so you.
- [54:34]
Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Can get the bottom tabs.
- [54:35]
Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
I convince everything that was ridiculous and. And stupid is what, like, the younger generation loves.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yes.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
You know, like mullets, fanny packs, you know, bell, bottom, whatever. Like the ugliest stuff.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Like.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
Yes. Like, they're all in.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah. It's all. It's coming back right now.
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Mind Pump Producer or Guest
It's a form of protest, I think.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Well, it is going against what.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
I'm gonna be so different. I'm gonna be just like my parents were.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
Yeah.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Well, you know what? You're so young. You don't know. Yeah, you're so young that you have no idea that that's what. We all rock that stuff. So it's so interesting.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
I love it when I come in here.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
I like this style, though. So I'm like a fan.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
I love it when I come in here and our young staff is playing like 90s music.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
I'm like, oh, yeah, this is a classic. Yeah, this is old school. Oh, yeah, it is old school.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Good stuff, dude.
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Mind Pump Producer or Guest
Our first question is from mben field. What are the proper steps to achieve a pull up?
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yeah, this is a great accomplishment. And there definitely Is a kind of a really great way to progress yourself to a full pull up. It starts with similar exercises. So, you know, doing a pull down and progressing there is a good start. The next thing you would do is an isometric. So what that would look like is you would set yourself up with a box or something you could step up on. Get up to the bar to where you're up at the top and then just take your legs off the box and hold yourself there and get strong there. The next thing would be to do a controlled negative trick. Yes. Where you're going down really slow and you practice that build strong strength for a while. Then the next step would be a jump up, pull up or assisted. Or assisted with the band. And then slowly work yourself up to.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
I mean you just in my opinion, nailed the perfect step. Perfect what this looks like. And I mean if you had to lay it out in a program, what would you say? Like three weeks, two or three weeks of the isometric like hold. Then maybe two or three weeks of the, the eccentric, you know, or lowering really slow from the isometric hole. Right. So you hold and slowly come all the way down.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
Basically three, three week phases for each one of those.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Three weeks, three week. And then the third week, assisted pull ups. Right. So you put a band around your knee and then you're pulling up and use the one, the most assisted that you need at first to, to get a couple Reps, at least 5 reps or so out and then eventually get to the point where you don't need any band at all.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Now the, the way people would mess up with this is they're just doing a lot of volume of back exercises on top of this happen the fastest way. It's strong overall. Yeah, dude. The fastest way to get good at a pull up is to make that the sole focus. So your back workout largely looks like this and then maybe a couple supplemental exercises afterwards. But you're not hammering your back with lots of other exercises while you're trying.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
To make this body weight to strength ratio definitely matters with this. Of course, getting leaner, you know, is not a bad idea.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Of course, of course. But it's, it's, this is the focus. So your back workout looks like 80, 90% this and maybe a little extra afterwards. And then you're done until you get to the point where you can accomplish a pull up. And once you can do one pull up, you practice that one pull up. When I say practice, I mean it's not a workout. You just do one at a moderate intensity.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
You walk past it in a doorway and you do a pull up.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
That's it.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
And you just leave it there and you continually do that.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
And I have progressed a lot of people up to being able to do a pull up kind of through what I just said.
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Mind Pump Producer or Guest
Next question is from Alex. Dv Are deadlifts a back or leg exercise? Where would you put them in a program?
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yeah, so we have a couple programs.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Where we've done this.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yeah. You know what's interesting about this question is that you could tell that bodybuilding programming has really made people think that programming is body part specific. And so some people. This is funny, but it's true. Some people don't do deadlifts because they don't know know. They don't know this. Where do I put this? I'm not going to do leg exercises on a deadlift day. I will do back exercises afterwards, but not leg exercises. But it's not. You are working both. Technically. This is a posterior chain lower body.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Back on body part split for the bodybuilder people on body part splits. I ran it on back day and I gave it enough time in between heavy squats or some other lower body. So I would never go like, like Monday heavy squats and then I go back on Tuesday or even worse, Monday.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Deadlifts and squats on Tuesday. Right, right.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
So I want to give myself at least a day or two gap in between squatting and deadlifting. Always. But deadlifts go on back days.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yeah.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
And I'll say that was body part split.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Generally speaking with programming, I don't mind squatting a couple days before a heavy deadlift. I typically don't like doing heavy squats even a day or two after.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
No, because your low back is taxed.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yes.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
And you don't want, you don't want your low back to be compromised going into a heavy back squat. So where if your legs are a little fatigued, it'll restrict you, it'll restrict you from lifting heavier on the. It'll naturally. That's right. Regulate.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
Which I've ever even done together is probably Romanian deadlifts, like with dumbbells or something like, like less taxing but like if you know, doing a barbell deadlift and a squat together, the same workout, that's pretty rough.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Typically a bad idea.
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Mind Pump Producer or Guest
Next question is from Psychora. Nikki. Thoughts on workouts like burn, boot camp, F45, et cetera. When I did strict weight training for two years, I saw almost no changes.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
And I got bored.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
This has to be a new listener.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yeah. If you saw no changes and got bored with good strength training, you're going to get worse results with burn Boot Camp. F45. The reason why you didn't get results with traditional strength training is because your programming was bad and or your diet was off. If the changes you're looking for are lots of endurance, then yeah, maybe not. Maybe then you should go do Burn Boot Camp. But if the changes you're looking for, which I'm assuming when you say I saw no changes, you're probably referring to aesthetic changes, muscle development, shape, leanness, in which case, like strength training is the way to go with good diet. But we have callers all the time who call in who are doing strength training, not seeing results, and we look at the routine. It's like, okay, you're either over training program is usually terrible, terrible, terrible programming or you're not feeding yourself enough to see changes. So you're in this constant low calorie.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Or environment, you're over feeding yourself calories that aren't nutrient dense or are going to building muscle. Right? So then you're over consuming calories under eating protein, which is probably the most common thing. That's a real common one because then you see somebody who's like, I've gained body fat so I know I'm eating enough food. Yeah, but you're not eating up the right foods. You're eating 40 grams of protein, but then you're over consuming on carbs and saturated fat. Well, of course you didn't build a lot of muscle, but you put body fat on, that's what will happen.
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Mind Pump Producer or Guest
Next question is from Edie Webb. I have the hardest time with my nutrition. I'm currently in a bulk and can't seem to eat enough. Do you have any suggestions on how to assist with that?
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yeah, you know, Adam's brought this up in the past and I just think this is so this was so true for me as well. So number one, you want to eat easily digestible foods. You can eat a decent amount of calories, but eat foods that bloat you or foods that just make you feel bogged down and that's going to make it really hard. In my experience, white rice, sweet potato, chicken, beef, well cooked vegetables, they tend to be so easy to digest. I can eat a lot of them. The other thing to consider is liquid calories. So if that is you and you are eating those good, easily digestible foods and you're just one of those people that's like, man, I gotta eat 4,000 calories to move the Needle adding liquid calories and if you can have dairy. This is like such a simple, silly, stupid thing. But it works so well. Having a big glass of whole milk with your each meal like adds great calories and it's typically easy to do.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Well.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews or another co-host)
I was just thinking of like the caller who was talking about like adding chicken breasts and like, like protein. And that was the focus, which is a great focus, but at the same time satiating. So now you're like adding in more really satiating food groups when like carbs would help a lot and like you know, maybe even allowing more simple type carbs and, and something that's like palatable to infuse that hu.
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
So what Sal said that I share a lot. It was absolutely the first biggest game changer for me. Like that completely unlocked the ability for me to add like a 500 to a thousand more calories consistently every day and not feel like I was stuffing myself to get there. And to his point, if you are eating all those whole foods, then this is where I got to the place where I started having my like super shake at night where I would use whole milk, big old scoop away. I would huge big tablespoons of peanut butter, Nutella, banana. I mean I would make a 900, 000 calorie tastes good shake with 45, 50 grams of protein at the end of the day.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
That's the end of the day?
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Mind Pump Host (Adam Schafer)
Yeah, that's the end of the day. I would put that on what I would eat in the, in the rest of the day and it tastes, it's like eating ice cream at night was like not hard for me to do at all. And that was the way I got that extra thousand calories. So. But the mistake I think a lot of young people made, I made this same mistake was thinking like, like, oh, I'm on a bulk so I can eat all these things. And I would eat stuff that was fried and greasy because it had high calorie. But then it just, it just bogged down my digestive system and I wasn't hungry enough. I couldn't get enough calories.
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Mind Pump Host (Sal Destefano)
Yeah, I used to do this thing where, and this was when I was a kid trying to gain weight. I'm like, oh, I need calories. So after a workout, this is, this is a true story. I go to McDonald's, I get a double quarter pounder with cheese at large fry, 12 piece nugget, tons of calories. Right. You know how hard it was to eat dinner after that? Four or five hours later I'm like, oh, I can't eat any more food. It worked so much better to have smaller meals with foods that were easy to digest. Then I can suddenly eat not just the calories but the protein because the meal I just gave right now is what, 65, 70 grams of protein maybe, but like 2,500 calories. So it was like a low protein in relationship to calories meal. And it was a bunch of stuff that just made me feel tired and lethargic. So easily digestible foods start the day off early with a high calorie meal that's easy to digest. Liquid calories. That's the way to go. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. We'll see you at Mind Pump Media.
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Mind Pump Host (Justin Andrews)
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