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Katie Duke
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Sal
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Sal
Welcome to gift wrapping.
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Katie Duke
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Sal
Soy saldana.
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Sal
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Sal
I'm the worst. I only got my mom a robe.
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Sal
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Sal
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Caller Dawn
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Sal
Sounds like my family drama.
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Sal Di Stefano
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Caller Dawn
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Justin Andrews
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Sal
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Sal Di Stefano
Pump your body and expand your mind.
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Sal
There'S only one place to go.
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Sal Di Stefano
Mind pump. Mind pump with your hosts Sal Destefano.
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Adam Schafer
Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews.
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Sal Di Stefano
You just found the most downloaded fitness, health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. In today's episode, people called in, we got to coach them on air. But this was after the intro. Today's intro was 53 minutes long. Now the intro is about fat loss and muscle gain, family life, some current events. It's always a good time. By the way, if you want to be on an episode like this, submit your question@mplivecaller.com now this episode is brought to you by some sponsors. The first one is Organifi, makers of organic supplements that can assist you with your health and fitness goals. Go check them out. Go to organifi.com mindpump that's O R G A N-I F I.com mindpump Use the code mindpump Get 20% off. This episode's also brought to you by Joovv Red Light Therapy. This is the biggest sale of the year, up to $1,000 off a new Joovv systems. 0% financing available even for many of their units. Go check them out. Go to Joovv.com mindpump that's J-O-O-V-V.com mindpump Also, everything is 60% off for black Friday. All maps, workout programs, all bundles, everything 60% off. Right now go to mapsfitnessproducts.com, use the code Black Friday. By the way, every purchase enters you into a contest. Two people are going to get a one week vacation stay at the Mind Pump Park City House, plus $1,000 to travel. Fifteen people are going to get personal training and we're going to invite 10 people here to spend the full day at Mind Pump Studios. Every purchase again gets you an entry for that contest. And don't forget, 60% off across the board. Maps fitnessproducts.com, the code is Black Friday. Here comes the show.
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Sal
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Adam Schafer
And it's T shirt time.
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Sal
Ah, shit, Doug, you know it's my favor. Favorite time of the week.
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Adam Schafer
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Justin Andrews
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Sal Di Stefano
Said in the health and fitness space to listen to your body. In fact, we've said that probably a thousand times on this podcast. But sometimes, no joke, that's terrible advice. There are times when you should not listen to your body. In fact, the more times you should, I hop on coaching calls with my trainers, the more times I realize some of you need to ignore your body's signals. And we're going to break it down and explain why. My body lies.
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Sal
Yeah, I have a, I have a visual of a client that I remember like the first time I started trying to teach this to clients. And I remember guy sitting across from me must have been 300 something pounds. And I said this to him and he looked at me all crazy and grabbed his belly and he shook it.
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Sal Di Stefano
Listening to my body got me. Listening to my body's got to me.
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Sal
That's the worst advice ever.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, no, it's. So you know what this really boils down to? Well, I'll tell you some of the calls I've been on. So, you know, here, here at Mind Pump, we've now ventured into coaching. Not us personally, but we have coaches that we train, develop, that now work with people. And so we haven't personally coached people. Now I'm talking about myself and my co hosts for a long time and so hopping on some of these calls. It's great because first off, I love it. We all love it. It's just a deep passion. But second, it really brings me back into what it's like to work with people. And sometimes you can get disconnected, especially when I'm talking out into the Internet ether here on a show like this. And I've had a couple calls now where people either through body dysmorphia or past poor relationships with food, either from, you know, in, in one case, a severe, you know, situation where there was some anorexia. In other cases, much, much more insidious and mild. Listening to their body, they don't know how, they don't know how to listen to their body. You know, listening to their body might make them feel like they're stuffed and feel gross all the time when in fact they're not eating enough. Or, or it made me reflect. Actually, one of the calls made me reflect on myself as a kid growing up, constantly feeling like I was too skinny. Even today, always trying to get more jacked and realizing how crazy that is. I knew as a kid that I had conditioned myself to the point where if I wasn't incredibly stuffed, if I didn't feel like I couldn't breathe, I thought I was hungry. Yeah.
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Justin Andrews
You're still hungry?
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. Oh, I. Can I have more room. And so listening to my body would have been terrible advice because I didn't know how to listen my body. The signals didn't make any sense to me. I'd ignored them for so long that what I thought were signals were just my own distortions.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah.
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Sal
There's so many, you know, you've heard me talk about. And the reason why this is top of mind for me. This happened literally last night. Again. We ordered in last night, and, you know, I double ordered, you know, because at that moment, I'm hungry, and I know what I can eat when I'm really hungry. And it's like, I didn't even finish the first thing, and I, like, totally wasted the food. And it was another one of those moments of like. I don't know why. It's just out of habit.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yep.
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Sal
It's just purely.
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Sal Di Stefano
It's like for so many years, you try to get big.
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Sal
Yes. For so many. That that doesn't register me as just a ridiculous amount of calories, you know, that I don't even want. Like, I couldn't even finish the first thing, and I'm like, what am I doing ordering that? But again, because I've done it for so long and so. And even though I think I'm very in tune with listening to my body, it's. It's crazy how insidious it can be. Because if you've had these. And, you know, flip that on somebody who's had behaviors for a very long time of overeating, overeating, some of it's even before we're listening to the body signals. And it's just habit of pouring that much on the plate, you know, or ordering that much food. And it's like learning to first discipline yourself, to, like, pull back and go, like, why don't I just try, like, half of what I thought I. I need, you know, and then eat it and then go, let me try and listen. Right.
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Sal Di Stefano
There are. There's. There's like, a few clear examples I can give. And by the way, if you're listening, you don't have to fit in one of these categories. It could be in between some of these categories. But in one case, for example, on one side, you would have someone who's always self medicated with food. And so the result of this is obesity. Right? So this is somebody who's like, yeah, I've struggled my weight my whole life. And you'll often hear this from clients. This person oftentimes never really even feels what really, what hunger really feels like. What they feel is discomfort from not medicating with food. And so to this person feeling hungry or what they perceive to be hunger, which it's not hunger, it's so uncomfortable. And they've constantly muted it or they've always muted it with food, that it's just, it just this doesn't feel right. And to them they'll say, I'm starving, I'm totally starving, I have cravings. Which cravings are different than hunger. In other cases you'll have people who have always have chronically underate. And oftentimes this is a female, not always, but oftentimes. And this is the girl that is dieted for years and years and years, ate really low calories, over trained, oftentimes lots of cardio or high intensity type exercise. And then when they try to eat or when you coach them to eat appropriately, they'll come back and say, I feel uncomfortable. I feel like. In fact some of them will even say they feel bloated. And the conversations I've had with people around this is, I'll start to point out what bloat actually feels like and they'll say, well, I don't know, I don't think it's digestive issues. Like, well, I think what you're feeling is you're actually eating and you're constantly, you're used to feeling empty. And to you feeling empty is now a source of comfort. And so anything other than that feels like too much. This can also manifest with exercise where if you're not beating yourself up or feeling exhausted, it's not enough.
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Justin Andrews
It's not enough. It's never enough. That's where I was going with this is just like that propensity to increase intensity. Uh, you're just drawn to it. It's a feeling, you know, it's, it's a soreness, it's a sweat, it's a, you have all these sort of gauges that you're looking for that brings you value from the workout when in fact like you tend to overdo it and you're not actually progressing. So you know, progressing isn't even a metric for you. It's like the feeling and like what you're getting out of that, that pain.
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Sal
That also can Be really insidious too, because many times you also connect that with the best shape you've ever been in your life.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah.
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Sal
Because many times people were doing that when they're in college or high school or playing a sport or like that was. They were at peak movement and training. And so they have this identity to that. Like, man, that's when I looked great, felt great, therefore, that's how I should.
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Justin Andrews
Rules apply.
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Sal
That's how I should train. And so that's really tough. Not. And not only those feelings that you get endorphins, that you get the cortisol spike, you get all that of accomplishment that you get when you walk out of the gym feeling that way, but you've also connected that way of training with. Oh, that was when I was in the best.
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Sal Di Stefano
I had that conversation with someone recently where this woman was a high level athlete. So. And by the way, high level athletes, or should I say ex high level athletes. So this is someone like in college maybe or high school, competed at high level. Sometimes it can be very. I would say they're sometimes among the hardest people to coach because they've identified.
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Justin Andrews
They'Re hardwired in them.
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Sal Di Stefano
So I was talking with her and she was like, man, I used to train like this all the time. And I said, were you 40? She's like, well, no. I said, did you have kids? No. Did you have a mortgage? No. Did you have a job? No. I said, it's not the same. It is not the same. And oftentimes we got in the quote, unquote, best shape of our life. In spite of the fact that I.
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Sal
Was just going to say, Sal, it's not even just that. It's that if you actually trained better when you were in 20s, you and.
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Sal Di Stefano
You would have performed better or you.
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Sal
Thought you were in the best shape of your life, you actually could have been even better. Better than what you were. And that's the part that's hard for people to connect that dot.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yes, it's very, very difficult. And so this is why part of coaching is learning how to read these signals. And then when you listen to your body, then you're actually listening to your body and not to signals that are taking you in the wrong direction. So I think the first step with this is to identify your challenges and to really be objective. All right, what are my challenges? I've always struggled with being overweight or my fear. I should say. This is where I think challenges. This is how you should label your challenge. What are my fears? My fears are, I'M gonna get fat again. Or my fears are I'm not gonna build enough muscle. Or my fears are. And write them out. Write down what they. Cause those are what's driving a lot of this. Identify these, put them out, and this is the beginning of moving in the right direction. Now, for me, I'll use myself again as an example. You talked about this with workouts, Justin. I have learned to identify that when I feel at the end of my workout that I could do a lot more, then I'm done. That is not how I used to measure my workouts. My workouts used to be measured. If I feel like I can do more, I didn't do enough. Now at the end, if I start to feel like, ooh, I'm toasted, oops, I went too far. So now I know if I end my workout and I feel like, oh, I, I could have done another 30 minutes, I'm probably doing the right amount. And so I had to kind of identify those challenges. Write those down for yourself. What are your fears? So, so a good, you know, another way to put it is like some. I'm talking to someone, they've chronically under eight. I'm trying to get them to reverse diet. And I'll always ask them, what are you afraid of by bumping your calories or eating more? What's the big fear? Like, I'm going to gain a bunch of weight. Okay, let's write that down because that's actually driving. That's behind the steering wheel right now. We need to identify that. The next thing this is the most difficult is to follow someone else's plan. So this is how we coach our coaches. We tell our coaches, and this is just true. The most important thing that you can focus on with your client, more important than the strategy and the workout and the diet and the information is trust. They have to totally trust you because they're going to be leaning on you and not on themselves. So you have. So following someone else's plan will allow you to do this. You will get a workout plan. Let's say you get a maps program that's appropriate for you, but for most of you, it's not Maps aesthetic. It's not maps split, it's not the crazy ones that we have. It's probably like maps Anabolic, maybe Muscle Mommy, probably 40 plus for many people, 15 maps. 15. And you'll just follow it and not do what you've always done. So you'll trust somebody else's well written plan and structure and then stick to it. And not follow what you've always done in the past, which hasn't worked.
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Justin Andrews
There was another, like, point to the earlier one about, like, fears, and one of them, you know, for. For me and for.
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Sal
It's.
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Sal Di Stefano
It's.
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Justin Andrews
You don't want to look weak or you don't. Like when you're. When you're doing these lifts, like, you don't want to do what's right for you, because it's like, I'm going to go a little bit more because then I don't look like a total puss. It's that being said, like, in terms of following somebody else's plan, I think that helps psychologically. It's like, yes, I'm doing this deliberately as it's laid out. So I'm removing my own sort of bias and emphasis on this. It's like, I'm just going to do this and trust that it's going to.
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Sal Di Stefano
Can I just add to this just for you, Justin? Because it's so funny when we. We don't do this often, actually. Almost never now. But in the early days of Mind Pump, we were the ones that were the exercise models for our videos. So we would. If we did an exercise demo. Yeah, we would. We would be the ones doing it.
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Justin Andrews
Oh, you're gonna throw them.
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Sal Di Stefano
And you know, when you do this, you want your form to be perfect. The weight you use, this doesn't matter. It doesn't matter how much weight.
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Sal
A lot of fitness people use fake weights.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, yeah. It's just.
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Sal
You just videos.
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Sal Di Stefano
It's just about your technique. Right?
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Sal
Yeah.
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Justin Andrews
And we should have done that.
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Sal Di Stefano
Justin would just throw the weight on. I'm like, bro, you're not working out. You're doing this with 20.
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Sal
Not to mention you might have to do 15 takes. Yeah, yeah.
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Justin Andrews
A lot of reps that hold. And he's like, wait a minute, I didn't get the shot.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, take the 45s off. So it is very. It is very difficult. But, yeah, follow someone else's plan.
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Sal
Well, that's also part of identifying that this is a. Is a challenge for you, is admitting that, hey, I've tried to do this thing on my own for years or decades, and obviously I've gotten here and haven't figured out, like, how about I just own that having somebody else guide me through this is probably a better strategy. And so I think that's why one is so important to identify that challenge that you've had for so long. And then the next is to surrender to the process and go, like, okay, what if I just let a professional guide me through this and see what it looks like? So important.
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Sal Di Stefano
You know how much of these coaching calls are like that. When I hop on with our trainers, I tell them, I say to them, trust the process. I'll say to them, you're gonna feel uncomfortable. This is gonna suck. You're gonna think you're not doing enough. You're gonna think you're eating too much. I need. Just do what we tell you and trust us and then we won't have to ask you again because then you'll start to see over time that it's working. And then you'll see. But in the beginning, don't trust yourself, just trust us. You also wanna use and track things that you can measure that are objective. So what is that? Am I stronger? Am I stronger? Am I able to perform the lifts better? Do I, is my sleep better? Do I have more energy? And then connect that to the feelings that are telling you to do more. What I mean by that is, wait a minute, I just added 10 pounds to give you an example. I just added 10 pounds to my squat, but I feel like I should be doing way more. Okay, my feelings are wrong. Let me just read these objective measures for now and stick with these because it's especially. Strength is a hard one to argue with. Like if you're stronger, is it working? It's working, yeah. So whatever you think you're doing or you're not doing.
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Justin Andrews
Greedy.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, exactly.
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Sal
It's hard to tell people this, but you know, avoid the mirror and the scale at all costs.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, they just, they lie, man.
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Sal
They lie big time. And many times clients are on the right track and they're deceived by what they see in the mirror and they're deceived by what they seeing the scale. Because the, the progress just doesn't work that way. And, and you would think, well, wait a second, how's if I'm working out I'm doing that I should look better in the mirror? Well, yeah, theoretically, yes, but a bad night of sleep and watch how puffy you are coming off your period. Watch how puffy you are. Eat something that your body didn't agree with. Digestive wise. Watch how puffy you are. And that puffiness ends up getting looking like I put on body fat and people freak out and course correct when reality, everything they were doing was, was okay and they would be just fine. Same thing works with a scale. All those things that I just listed also retain and hold water and easily the scale stays the Same, or maybe even goes up a pound or two.
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Sal Di Stefano
Even though you're getting leaner.
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Sal
Yeah. Even though you're building muscle, getting leaner, getting stronger, and then you. Course correct. And so for most people that are in this situation that we're talking about, like, this is. This is something you don't want or don't want to pay too close attention to because it many times will steer you in the wrong direction.
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Sal Di Stefano
Totally. You want to question your urges. Your urges are going to feel frantic. That's what they're going to feel like. Impulsive, frantic. It's like you're jerking the steering wheel while you're driving straight and you just want to swerve. Even though, you know the, the numbers are, you know, I'm stronger, I feel better. I'm trusting my coach or I'm trusting this program that was written by, you know, by good coaches. Question your urges every time they come because this is a process of relearning how to develop a relationship with fitness that actually serves you okay. So again, if you look back at your relationship to fitness, if it was a stressful, spotty, on and off relationship, we have to build a new relationship, and it doesn't happen overnight. So a lot of it's going to be questioning those urges and those impulses when they come up and bringing awareness to them. And then finally you check in with trusted friends. So these are not the people in your life that don't want to see you do well, that compete with you all the time. You know, they are. But these are the people you actually trust. I can't tell you how many times I would have a client come to me with all these fears. And then I would. I used to. I learned, in fact, I learned that this was a coaching method. And I'd say to, you know, Ms. Johnson comes in and she's, you know, I don't know if it's working. Whatever.
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Sal
What does your husband say?
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Sal Di Stefano
What is your husband saying right now? Yeah. Oh, well, he says I look really good. And do you think he's lying to you? Well, I think maybe he's just trying to make me feel better. No, I think he's being honest with you. I think he's telling you because I could tell you're looking really good. So check in with those friends that are. That you're trusted. Say, you know, I'm freaking out a little bit. What do you think? Do you think I'm moving in the right direction? Do I. Do I look like I'm healthy objectively?
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Sal
Yeah, you Know the best check ins in my opinion are the people that you trust like that that you don't see for 30 days.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
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Sal
Like nothing like a, a sister, brother, mother, somebody in law that's close to you, that loves you, that just hasn't seen you for a 30 day window while you've been on this path to like really be able to tell her. Sometimes husbands and wives who see each other every single day seem to like, I mean they typically will still say something positive but maybe they don't see as much of a change because you're seeing that person change before your eye every day and it's different versus the, the aunt or sister in law or someone who hadn't seen you in 30 days and go oh my God. Yeah, you look great.
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Caller Jasmine
What are you doing?
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Justin Andrews
My friend says something nice, then I'm.
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Sal Di Stefano
Like, I'm on to something that's random. What's going on here?
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Justin Andrews
Killing it.
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Sal Di Stefano
I know, I love it. Anyway, Adam, I was going to ask you because yesterday you had me do. We haven't done. It's the season. Yeah. You had me mix you up a Christmas blend from organic every day red juice and the green juice.
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Sal
Every day now. So it's every day. Well, a couple of things every Obviously you brought up on one of the last podcast what I'm going through. So still in the fire. Unbelievable.
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Sal Di Stefano
This is for people know your withdrawal.
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Sal
From if you're, if you're, if you're up to date on the podcast, you know, if you, if you don't. That's what's going on.
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Sal Di Stefano
Does it help?
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Sal
It does. Well, so something I didn't disclose on the podcast that obviously why I was kicking something that I thought would be, you know, the fight of my life. I may as well get rid of all the things I think are a cakewalk. So weed, caffeine, everything's going and so.
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Sal Di Stefano
This is such, this is. Listen, that's the most Adam thing I've ever heard. I don't know why you do that. You, you're like on fire. You're like, and you're like hey, you're like hey, can I hey over there, pour some gasoline on you? Throw some gas on me.
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Sal
That's right. Let's just go.
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Sal Di Stefano
Let's just go.
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Sal
I mean I'm, I'm. Well the weed thing was easy. That's nothing to me.
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Sal Di Stefano
So that's caffeine too.
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Sal
Caffeine. I, I, so what I've done is I, I dropped off. I, I'm doing that methodically. Okay. So I mean, you can see my Celsius next to me. So be like, where did you guys Celsius there? And the way I'm doing that is so typically when I would drive to work, I would have my first energy drinker coffee. That's replaced now with the Christmas blend. And it really like, I swear I don't notice I have anything less. I'm already 200 milligrams down.
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Sal Di Stefano
Awesome.
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Sal
And I don't feel, I tried to, I actually being honest, I was like, I did kind of go cold turkey for a few days and I was like, man, I've got a lot of headaches right now. Yeah, right. Yeah, exactly. It was, it's. I'm already miserable. And then I, I, I took, I remember drinking like a little drink and then like it, it, it went away. I'm like, okay, maybe I, maybe I'll do that one a little bit slower. So, yeah, that was probably not the best idea. We didn't even get skip a beat like that didn't. That wasn't hard for me at all. Caffeine though. I thought I was gonna rip the band aid off. I figured I feel like may as well go all the way. And then I went, yeah, these headaches are a little worse than I wanted. While everything else felt terrible. So I did reintroduce some of it back. I've had some days where I only do one, but I've consistently removed one completely off. And the first thing I do in the morning is I have the green juice and the red juice together. And I tell you what, I'm excited that and I got myself stocked up at the house to make sure. So I have no excuses. And it's actually been a really nice way to start. So I think I'm gonna try and continue that as my first drink. Regardless of what I do. Caffeine in the future, if I cut out completely or I.
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Sal Di Stefano
It's adaptogenic. So the reason why it feels so good is you have both the red juice and the green juice are adaptogenic. So the red juice with rhodiola and other compounds and the green juice with ashwagandha.
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Sal
Yeah.
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Sal Di Stefano
Rhodiola is more up stimulating ashwagandha, more relaxing.
- [26:02]
Sal
Yeah.
- [26:02]
Sal Di Stefano
But they're both adaptogenic. Well studied, adapted. And right now your body's going through a lot of stress. Yeah. Which is probably why it feels so good.
- [26:08]
Sal
It feels, Yeah. A lot of times I'm actually having it twice in a day, but I definitely start every, every morning now with it and, and the blend actually Tastes good.
- [26:17]
Sal Di Stefano
It does.
- [26:17]
Sal
I think the. It's a. It sounds like a weird blend, but the red and the green juice to combine together is a great mix. So, yeah, it's starting off every day right now, so to be continued.
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Sal Di Stefano
Did I share on the podcast my experience in LA with. With. I know I shared with you guys with Bradley Martin, but I sure Did I share it on the show?
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Justin Andrews
I don't think on the show, No. I mean, you just released the clip.
- [26:38]
Sal
I watched the episode. I don't know if anybody else did. I watched it.
- [26:41]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
- [26:41]
Sal
Yeah, I watched the whole thing.
- [26:42]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, you told me. You sent me some really good, really nice, encouraging text.
- [26:45]
Sal
Yeah, it was incredible.
- [26:47]
Sal Di Stefano
Well, I'll tell you this, this is where things get weird for me, man. And this is just, you know, spiritual alert for people who are weird about that. But I'll just share like I. Brad, the Bradley Raw Talk with Bradley Martin was the first public. The first time I had publicly given my testimony how I became a Christian. It was the first time I said it publicly was a bit scary, but I did it. And I remember when I. This was a year and a half ago, maybe, when I was on his show and I gave it. I remember he sits forward in his chair, takes his hat off, and I could tell something was pulling at him. And we had some conversations afterwards, but then that was it. Right. And then after that, I obviously haven't. I haven't had any fears over being public with my faith or any of that stuff, but it was the first time I did it anyway. We had rescheduled me to go down to LA to be on some podcasts, and one of them was his. And leading up to it, I had this like, do I bring it up. Do I bring up, like. And ask him about if anything's happened with him in this and talk about, you know, faith. Remember he. This is Raw Talk. So anybody's familiar with this podcast. This is not like a. You don't talk about these things on a show. And it's his podcast.
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Sal
It's more likely to be gambling only.
- [28:01]
Sal Di Stefano
Fans or something, you know, and he's off air. You know, people know off air, like, Bradley's a really smart guy. Love talking with him. And. But I just felt like this stirring. But I felt really discouraged. I was feeling really dark. Like what I kept hearing, don't stay in your lane. That's stupid. Shut up. Talk fitness, just a lot of crap. And this was the night before. I had gone to LA to spend the night so I could wake up early in the morning and then do this like podcast circuit. And this is the thing that I wanted to share that was just. Just for people, you know, who've experienced this, it's just weird. This happens all the time now, but it's really, really weird. I Woke up at 5:30 that morning and I had. Had gotten A text at 4:27am from my friend Tim. And remember the night before and the day before, I was feeling like, don't say anything. You're. Who are you? Like all this, like, really discouraging, just, just terrible thoughts. I wake up, it says, hey, Sal, apologize for the strange text, but God has had your name pop up in my heart this morning. And I don't know why or for what, but the only word I keep getting is encourage. And I woke up to that and I'm like, oh, what? Like this kind of stuff has been happening. So I get on his show and it wasn't. That's all we talked about for the full hour. And it was a great conversation. It was really, really great. I felt not confident at all, which I say it's great because for me, that's great. I almost, I never don't feel confident on camera or talking. In fact, I feel too prideful. So sitting there talking in a way was just so. It's new for me. But it was, it was, it was. It was awesome afterwards. It was really good.
- [29:39]
Sal
It was an incredible conversation. Very authentic, the way it flowed. I thought he asked good, hard questions.
- [29:45]
Sal Di Stefano
They were real questions.
- [29:46]
Sal
Yeah, yeah, they were good hard questions. I think, you know, for someone who wasn't prepared really for that, I thought you did a great job answering and responding to him. It was a good conversation. It'll be interesting to see the people respond. I'm most curious about him post because my experience with him post is he's this great emotional guy, says all these things and then he kind of just. He kind of disappears off in the wind and is. Has he continued to converse with you or ask you questions?
- [30:17]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, we text and I. And you know, he. He is a good guy. You know what it is? I can't imagine what it would be like to be in his shoes. He was the original.
- [30:27]
Sal
What do you mean you can't imagine what it's like to be in his shoes?
- [30:29]
Sal Di Stefano
Well, let me explain. He was young when it first happened to him. He was the first like fitness influencer dude. Like, he was really one of the first ones. Blew up that way. Got lots of attention for his antics. Antics, his body. Lots of attention. Built a Business around it, very successful business. So. But when you meet him off air, there's so much more to him than those types of things, so that's got to feel like a struggle. And when we were. When I was on his show, he talked about this a little bit too, that you reach you. And you've talked about this out. All of us have experienced this, but, you know, I've heard you talk a lot about this. You'll get these things that you think are going to make you feel a particular way, whether it's money or fame or. Or respect that you think. And then you're like, this is empty. Yeah, this is not giving me what I thought. So. And that's kind of a little bit about, you know, what we talked a little bit about on his.
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Sal
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I feel like he's wrestled with this for years though now. I mean, the very first time we. So we, We've now done. We. We did his podcast collectively, like six years ago. Six years ago. And that was like the, the where he was at in his life back then. So, I mean, you're talking about six years later. You've been on there twice since then. Each time he kind of expresses this. He's obviously wrestling internally with this. He obviously has this. I mean, I mean, this to me is what's. It's. I don't think enough people on the outside realize how. And we talked a little bit just recently. So not to, not to beat a dead horse here, because I did just bring this up on the podcast that, you know, that these people become the algorithm. They. They experience fame and attention and love and adoration for this character that they, they build. And I don't. I think all of them come with a very pure intention originally, like, of like, hey, you know, I'm going to put myself out there, give good information, share with people, share my life, do this stuff. And then. But what's. How it creeps in is, you know, the algorithm tells you like, oh, this gets you more attention and that gets you more.
- [32:43]
Sal Di Stefano
The people are coming around. You are. Because of that.
- [32:46]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [32:47]
Sal
And then you get more of that and it's just like this snowball effect. And. And you know, the first time you, you do something that kind of goes viral that you, you manufactured or you did, it's like it wasn't really totally myself. I mean, I was me, but I, I mean, I also staged this or did that and then. So. And you justify it because whatever reason, and then you just. It's this slow drift and Then you wake up six years later, super famous, everybody knows your name, and you're rounder. We got millions of followers. You're making millions of dollars and you don't know who you are.
- [33:21]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. And extreme example that is Liver King. Oh, yeah, that really twisted him.
- [33:25]
Justin Andrews
Think about that.
- [33:26]
Sal Di Stefano
Really twisted him.
- [33:27]
Sal
I mean, I think. I think the only reason why that's an extreme example is because of the Netflix documentary, however. But I think there's tens of thousands examples right in front of everybody. Everybody listening right now is following hundreds of these people. Hundreds of them, at least hundreds, if not thousands of them you're following that have gained all this popularity and fame online through doing things that feed the algorithm.
- [33:53]
Justin Andrews
We see this with a lot of the modalities and real strong stances towards like this method or this nutrition.
- [34:00]
Sal Di Stefano
Yes.
- [34:01]
Justin Andrews
And it's just very like they've leaned into it so hard, they've cornered it.
- [34:06]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. Paul Saladino.
- [34:08]
Sal
Yeah.
- [34:08]
Sal Di Stefano
Carnival. And then he comes out, he's like, hey, I have honey. And then Boom gets hammered by his people. And maybe throw a little fruit in. Boom gets hammered by his people. Yeah. Dr. Mercola. He was the keto guy. Yes, he was the no carb. Carbs are bad guy. Literally just posted an article about how avoiding carbs all the time is bad for your thyroid. Yeah, well, almost, you know.
- [34:31]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. And to. To this discussion, it's like it almost makes it unreasonable for them to be reasonable, you know, because they don't get any kind of benefit to that.
- [34:42]
Sal Di Stefano
It.
- [34:42]
Justin Andrews
Because the more like, crazy stance they take, the more like opposition, the. The more views, attention and all that. And people they draw into their camp. And so it's like, it really doesn't benefit them to be, you know, to entertain like a more of a nuanced approach.
- [34:57]
Sal
I mean, to me, it's what we're watching right now in. In real time for us, in our generation in particular, was here before and is here now and will be here after. But it's the changing of the guard for celebrity. Yeah. Like, and we. We talk all the time about how up celebrities are. Right. Like, they're the ones that commit suicide, get on all these drug rehab things like that. But this is the new celebrity is. Is social media and the ability to do it. And everybody thinks they want it because it seems so sexy right now. One of the things I. I don't know, one of the things I've been most proud about, and thank God that we were in our early 30s when we started this, that we kind of were on the Other side of like. Like, no, I don't want that kind of attention. Like that. That didn't sound sexy to any of us. So much to the point that when we created all the. All of our names, it was business first, then us. And all we talk about off air is like, can't wait the day that I can just.
- [35:52]
Sal Di Stefano
You know, what else. You know, what else is this of what we see? You want to know what else was a saving grace? Is that. And this is just. I think this is just a total blessing. We're surrounded because of each other by guys that will not allow that to happen.
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Caller or Guest
Right.
- [36:10]
Sal Di Stefano
We will call each other out. Yeah, right. Imagine if it was by yourself and you're doing it all on your own without.
- [36:18]
Justin Andrews
I wish more people had that, like, built in accountability.
- [36:20]
Sal Di Stefano
I know what would happen if I. If my. You know, if it started to blow up for me, for sure, one of you guys or all of you guys are gonna let me know and I'm gonna get it. And same thing for you guys. A lot of people don't have that. And so they're just on their own.
- [36:34]
Sal
That makes, you know, since we're. You're talking about Bradley Martin, his show, it makes me so curious about. Remember, he had his two close friends that were a part of his business early on that no longer are falling out. And I wonder if that was part of that stuff.
- [36:47]
Sal Di Stefano
I don't know. Yeah.
- [36:48]
Sal
Because that's it. It is. It is helpful having your boys close to you to rein you back in. If we were to think that. Although, I don't know. I mean, you're most likely. We would have to reign you in, but I don't feel like we had to do that.
- [37:02]
Sal Di Stefano
What? Rained me.
- [37:03]
Sal
Right. I mean, he's most likely the one we'd have to rain.
- [37:05]
Sal Di Stefano
Well, I think all of us, in different ways. I mean, all of us in different ways, you know, we'd have to get reined in.
- [37:11]
Justin Andrews
But I'll silent voice in this.
- [37:12]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, I'll just speak to. Look, I'll just speak to myself. I respected you guys. I respect you guys so much that you don't have to say much, but I also trust that you would if it got a little out of, you know, got out of hand.
- [37:25]
Sal
Yeah.
- [37:25]
Sal Di Stefano
You know, but we all kind of have little checks and balances, and we all respect each other. And so that's what. That's what I'm saying about the blessing. Like, we've never had that.
- [37:35]
Sal
What I mean by. You are most likely not your personality, but of who you have to be on the show.
- [37:40]
Sal Di Stefano
Sure.
- [37:41]
Sal
So the brand is built around you. So the, the you you are the. You are forward facing the most.
- [37:47]
Sal Di Stefano
Sure.
- [37:47]
Sal
From the brand. So you're more likely. It's more like. So I don't mean by your personality, I mean like it's more likely your ego would get fed the most in that area. And I think that you've resisted that since day one for sure. You know, I think you, you take that position because you recognize your best in that position. And Justin and I and Doug aren't here to argue that. We're like, no, I should be the guy.
- [38:13]
Sal Di Stefano
I should be the guy.
- [38:14]
Sal
I want to be the guy, you know, Dude. So I think that it, that it works. Like if, I mean if there's. There was three Bradley Martin sitting here, right?
- [38:23]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
- [38:23]
Sal
There would probably be a lot more.
- [38:25]
Sal Di Stefano
Pool of like, sure.
- [38:26]
Sal
You know, I could be the guy or I want to be the guy.
- [38:28]
Sal Di Stefano
But I think, I really think people need to. And I try. I've communicated this to my, to my kids. Not that they care, but I think it's important. Attention like that is a curse. Hell yes. I bet if you took a hundred people and you gave all 100 of them sudden social media fame that 99 of them or maybe 100 of them would turn out worse from it. It is not a good. And what's crazy, you know what's crazy to me about this, the world glorifies celebrities, even with their crate. Like you talk about like their brilliance. Committed suicide at 24, overdosed at 30. And we're talking about how amazing they were and brilliant they were, not the tragedy and how terrible and not identifying like Marilyn Monroe would have probably been better off had she not gotten famous. You know, Jimi Hendrix probably would have been better off had he not gotten famous. You know. So I think it's a curse probably always. And you know, especially if you're young. Oh my God. Imagine if you're young and you get this confirmation that you're so awesome.
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Justin Andrews
Idols growing up were the, you know, they got fame real, real quick and they were known for their thing. They were the best of their thing. They died and they, they left us, you know, and we, that was like.
- [39:46]
Sal Di Stefano
And we worship.
- [39:47]
Justin Andrews
Yes.
- [39:47]
Sal Di Stefano
It's crazy.
- [39:49]
Justin Andrews
That was everybody.
- [39:49]
Sal
It's a fake love. That's why.
- [39:51]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
- [39:52]
Sal
It's not a real love. Right. Like, you know, this weekend was my birthday weekend. Right. So I was with a very small, close knit group of, of of friends. And you know, that's not publicly shared it's not anybody. Nobody else knows about it. It's like. And the love in the room is undeniable and goes all the way back to where I was a kid and stuff like that. And I've also been in rooms where we have hundreds of people there to see us and lining up for hours to talk and meet us. And it's a. It. It feeds the ego.
- [40:19]
Sal Di Stefano
Sure.
- [40:19]
Sal
In that moment, sure. But. And. And maybe some of those people say, oh, I love you, and safely with it, but it's. It's not real love. It's not like those people don't know all. All of me or all my faults or all. All of who I am. You know, I'm saying they know me from a personality on a. On a podcast that for an hour. You know, I'm saying, like, that's. It's a different. And I think it's easy to. To fall in the trap to thinking that's real love, and then you fall in love with that, and then it turns on you, and then. Then you all sudden are like, wait, these people all love me now. They say these mean things about me. And they are like. And it can flip. And on the Internet world, it can flip on a dime like that.
- [40:54]
Sal Di Stefano
Oh, God. Or just imagine if you're. You're adored by millions of people because of your beauty, and then you get old. Wow, what a hard fall that would be. What's my value? Who am I? You know, I'm getting old now. That's why you see celebrities with the. Sometimes you'll see it's real weird. You're like, what did he do to his face? Or isn't it somebody telling them that they don't look human anymore with all these things?
- [41:17]
Sal
You guys think that we'll see because we don't. Most kids today don't want to be a movie star or a TV star. Right.
- [41:26]
Sal Di Stefano
That's gonna be an influencer.
- [41:27]
Sal
They want to be an influencer. Right. But do you think that's because they. And do you think the reason why they don't want to be a movie star or superstar, do you think that because enough people have seen the rehab shows.
- [41:37]
Sal Di Stefano
No, I just think the new celebrities are social media. Yeah.
- [41:39]
Sal
That's all. So you still.
- [41:40]
Justin Andrews
Attention.
- [41:41]
Sal
So you think that there's still. There's.
- [41:42]
Sal Di Stefano
It's the same.
- [41:43]
Sal
Like, I feel like it's more well known, all the issues that celebrities have. Or am I. Am I. Am I off base?
- [41:50]
Sal Di Stefano
They still are glorified. They're still totally glorified. It's still about how great they were at this one thing, whether it's a sport or playing music or fashion or whatever. And in the end, because of the attention that the world puts on this and elevates them.
- [42:08]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [42:08]
Sal Di Stefano
You think that that's it.
- [42:10]
Justin Andrews
The size of the screen has changed. Really?
- [42:12]
Sal Di Stefano
It's. Yeah, that's about it. Good. Wow. Good way to say it. Screen size has changed, but nothing's changed.
- [42:17]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, it's the same day.
- [42:18]
Sal Di Stefano
Wild, man. I was just. That the. The. The Brandon Lake concert yesterday. You guys know Brandon Lake?
- [42:24]
Sal
Oh, you went to it?
- [42:24]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
- [42:25]
Sal
Where was it at?
- [42:26]
Sal Di Stefano
SAP Center. Oh, it was right here in San Jose. Was awesome. It was.
- [42:30]
Sal
How many. How many Christian concerts?
- [42:32]
Justin Andrews
I think you're like this five now.
- [42:35]
Sal Di Stefano
Four. Ask me how many concerts I went to before.
- [42:38]
Sal
I was just gonna say we couldn't get you out for a concert for a decade.
- [42:41]
Sal Di Stefano
Now all of a sudden, you've got a five crowd.
- [42:42]
Justin Andrews
I was laughing because there's this, like, band called Skillet, and they're like, a Christian.
- [42:46]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
- [42:46]
Justin Andrews
And they're great, but, like.
- [42:48]
Sal
Wait, wait. Skill is considered Christian?
- [42:50]
Justin Andrews
Oh, yeah. Are you kidding me?
- [42:52]
Sal
Skillet.
- [42:52]
Justin Andrews
Skillet is Christian forever.
- [42:55]
Sal Di Stefano
What?
- [42:55]
Sal
Yeah.
- [42:56]
Justin Andrews
Oh, yeah.
- [42:57]
Sal
The same Skillet. I'm thinking. No way, bro.
- [42:59]
Justin Andrews
You're. Yeah, it's a rock band, but.
- [43:02]
Sal
Yeah.
- [43:02]
Justin Andrews
Anyways, they're. They're like, just a basic rock band, but they just came out with, like, a Christmas song and they had, like, a breakdown. Like a heavy metal breakdown. Me and my friends were dying because it's like, you know, like, they got all heavy all of a sudden.
- [43:15]
Sal
This Skillet monster awake. All that. Yeah. Yeah. Really? Yeah.
- [43:20]
Sal Di Stefano
Dude, that's. That's great. No, this.
- [43:22]
Sal
It was.
- [43:23]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. You're gonna get us.
- [43:25]
Sal
Really?
- [43:25]
Caller Jasmine
Yeah.
- [43:25]
Sal
I had no idea they were a Christian fan, dude.
- [43:27]
Sal Di Stefano
I gotta tell you guys.
- [43:28]
Caller or Guest
Anyways, sorry.
- [43:29]
Sal
Sorry.
- [43:30]
Sal Di Stefano
You just, like. I mean, I've been listening to them forever.
- [43:33]
Sal
I just didn't.
- [43:33]
Sal Di Stefano
I never.
- [43:34]
Justin Andrews
Well, yeah, a lot of them start out, like. I mean, so, like, Evanescence or like. And they kind of like, you know.
- [43:40]
Sal
Yeah. Now.
- [43:40]
Justin Andrews
Now.
- [43:41]
Sal
Now I'm gonna, like, really listen to the lyrics harder. Like, I don't think I. I mean, I just love the. The beat and a lot of the stuff. Like, I mean, I listen to it with Max all the time they were around, like.
- [43:48]
Justin Andrews
Because. Like, the POD era.
- [43:50]
Sal
Yeah. Yeah.
- [43:51]
Justin Andrews
And so, yeah, this is. Again. This is back when we were like.
- [43:54]
Sal
They've also done a lot of cool collabs, too. Yeah, they've done some sick collabs.
- [43:57]
Justin Andrews
So we've seen. We've seen quite a few concerts.
- [43:59]
Sal Di Stefano
Well, Brandon Lake's unapologetic. His is lyrics.
- [44:02]
Sal
He's. No, no, he's.
- [44:03]
Sal Di Stefano
But he's mainstream, right? You guys. I mean, you guys have seen his music's hit the top of the charts. It was such a great environment. It was just wonderful. So many people praising and just. Just a great, great. I love that environment. At the end, he, you know, he's asking people if they want to, you know, come to Christ. And you have all these people raising their hand. But anyway, at one point, he's at the front and he's like, hey. He's like, I'm not. You know, this was unplanned. He goes, but I saw this guy's Instagram. He was singing some of my music. And I see him in the front row and I want to go up to him. He walks up to him. There's this guy that performs with our worship team at church. His name is Isaac, and he was born with some kind of genetic disorder where he's in a wheelchair. His bones are very frail. He's in this little guy, but he's got this wonderful voice. And he sings on a worship team. And it was him.
- [44:52]
Sal
No way.
- [44:53]
Sal Di Stefano
He brings the mic up to him like, Isaac, that guy sings at our church, and he's saying one of the songs to one of Brandon Lake's songs to the whole arena.
- [45:04]
Sal
No way.
- [45:05]
Sal Di Stefano
It was so wild to see him, dude. It was so great. Oh, how cool, bro. That kid, let me tell you about him, he has. He's just. He's this great singer, great performer. He released this one song that in the. In the Christian world, went pretty well. Went really well. But when I first saw him on stage, he tells a story and he said this line that got me so choked up. He said, the very lungs that the doctor said would not survive and be able to take a breath now can praise the Lord in song. And he sings. I'm just like, oh, my God, dude. But he comes out and it was just so cool to see this kid with his whole family.
- [45:39]
Sal
How random. Of all the people that he's seen.
- [45:41]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
- [45:42]
Sal
Does that kid have a big following?
- [45:43]
Sal Di Stefano
I guess on Tick Tock? He does.
- [45:45]
Sal
Because I. I mean, he does, right, Dylan?
- [45:47]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, he's got. He's got a big, big following.
- [45:49]
Sal
Did you know that before?
- [45:50]
Sal Di Stefano
I didn't know he had such a big following.
- [45:51]
Sal
Oh, so that's so funny.
- [45:52]
Sal Di Stefano
I just know when I hear him sing on stage, he does a great job.
- [45:55]
Sal
That's I know what a crazy small. Did a lot of people from the you guys church go?
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Sal Di Stefano
Well, we took. We went with a group of people from church and then I ran into people and then I saw some fans. Some mind pump fans. Yeah, I ran up to me.
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Sal
Okay.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. It was really, really cool. It was a good time, man. I'm gonna be going to more of those. Speaking of music, charging your bag. You're gonna like this Justin study comes out with. You're always talking about or you often talk. I'll pull up the study of how music is just so beneficial for us. Oh yeah.
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Justin Andrews
So this is very affected by it.
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Sal Di Stefano
This study came out of Monash University and it says this is the summary. Older adults who regularly listen to music or play music appear to have significantly lower risks of dementia and cognitive decline.
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Sal
Oh, good.
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Sal Di Stefano
The data suggests that musical engagement could be a powerful, enjoyable tool for supporting cognitive resilience and aging. And I believe this. I believe this because I've seen the data on how music engages and lights up the brain. Nothing lights up the brain and engages the entire brain the way that music does. Like both the logical, the creative, the mathematical.
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Justin Andrews
Do you think that really that that attributes to more of like right brain activity that's not getting activated? Like being that most people are pretty left brain in their like focus is very much like, you know, and tasks oriented and like getting things done and very well.
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Sal Di Stefano
You. Yeah. Yes, maybe. But also listening to music gets people to learn math faster.
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Justin Andrews
I know.
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Sal Di Stefano
It gets people to do things that you would consider like these logical, linear.
- [47:38]
Justin Andrews
Music is math. It's. It's.
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Sal Di Stefano
If you break it down the beats, the sounds. I mean, you can make it as a formula. AIs figured it out. It makes music now. And the way it makes music is not because it's creative, because it knows the formula and it think about how it affects your memory. You listen to lyrics, you'll remember ABCs. Yeah. Everything. Yeah.
- [47:56]
Sal
Yeah.
- [47:56]
Sal Di Stefano
So I think it's so cool that they're connecting it to the. What's wild to me is how we take music out of schools because we thought it wasn't valuable.
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Sal
Not all schools.
- [48:04]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, not all. Yeah. They're bringing it back in a lot of school.
- [48:06]
Sal
Yeah. No, dude. I mean, you keep hearing me talk about ours. I think it's crazy. All song.
- [48:10]
Sal Di Stefano
Dude.
- [48:11]
Sal
All songs, kids are all the stuff that he learns or songs. That was the big thing that I. That number blocks. When I told everybody about that, that cartoon was like huge for Max because they. They sing all the numbers so when he was super little, he was like doing all this crazy math. I don't even think he knew the math he was doing until later on.
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Sal Di Stefano
Do you know how people. Before people, because books, when the printing press came out, everybody, you know, most people could get a book. But before that, the only people that could afford books were people who had a lot of money. Because it took a lot of work to write one book. It had to be written by hand. The way that people passed on knowledge, information was song.
- [48:48]
Sal
Yeah.
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Sal Di Stefano
And it was so accurate. It's so accurate that decades or hundreds of years later, when they finally wrote it down, there was nothing lost because people were singing these.
- [48:58]
Justin Andrews
Song and story.
- [48:59]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
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Justin Andrews
Two most powerful ways to communicate.
- [49:02]
Sal
What's even more trippy, though, is like to think. To do that.
- [49:06]
Sal Di Stefano
That word that come from.
- [49:07]
Sal
Yeah, like the first.
- [49:08]
Sal Di Stefano
Well, I know where it came from, but I mean, I think is. Even as someone, you know, just scientifically minded, it is wild.
- [49:13]
Sal
Yes.
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Sal Di Stefano
It is really wild how music does that.
- [49:15]
Sal
Yeah. It's like we. We've unpacked that and. And like we have the science now to break all that down. But it's like, you know, some cave dude said that to him, started.
- [49:24]
Justin Andrews
Oh, you know, I. There was something crazy that I was. I was looking at over the weekend. And it was like a video they're. They're describing about a backward speak and how the CIA was like, you know, really interested in this. And I had no idea. So back in the 70s, you remember that whole thing with like Led Zeppelin, you play it backwards, you kind of hear like, I worship Satan, you know, crazy stuff like that. Or like. So they started to go through. There's a guy that's like, famously was trying to kind of like take public figures, politicians, and then break down their speeches and then like find areas where you could hear phrases and so you could actually find backward speak within. And so there was like, I mean, it's very pseudoscience and all this and it's been like, kind of rejected. But like, sometimes it just like nails like you're like, what Weird. Like the, the moon landing, stuff like that. Like, and you'll get like Neil Armstrong and he'll go through his speech and do a backward speech and it's just like, you know, I'm a fraud and like this.
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Sal Di Stefano
No way. Yeah.
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Justin Andrews
And it's like, this is all fake and. And it's all like, it. It's really, really interesting. But what's interesting is that the CIA was the only one that. That still really cares about it and uses this and has been able to extract some of this from like, planning of. Of terrorist attempts and, you know, true intention of certain politicians. And then so it. I just thought it was. I never had. Had heard about this being that like your subconscious actually has a voice of its own. And it's like you're, you're kind of communicating that to yourself.
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Sal Di Stefano
Oh, you know, so that's what they're.
- [51:01]
Justin Andrews
Trying to break down.
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Sal Di Stefano
You want to know it. So, so, by the way, for people who are like, okay, whatever, CIA, they get so much funding, both on the books and off the books.
- [51:10]
Sal
Yeah.
- [51:10]
Sal Di Stefano
That they find places to spend money.
- [51:13]
Justin Andrews
They've done wild things with it that we know of. Men who stare at goats. You know, like, you've all heard about all this.
- [51:18]
Sal Di Stefano
Yes. My favorite, My favorite, like, whatever conspiracy theory is how the Large Hadron Collider is being used to communicate to people from other. Or beings from other dimensions.
- [51:31]
Justin Andrews
It's basically a stargate.
- [51:32]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. And that we're. We're giving, you know, getting information from them and, and all that stuff, so.
- [51:37]
Justin Andrews
Well, there's another. Okay. I really got into like. Have you guys ever watched the show the Y Files?
- [51:42]
Sal Di Stefano
No.
- [51:42]
Justin Andrews
Oh, it's great. But the guy really breaks down, like, information. Factual information. Then he has like a part at the end where he's like. He debunks it all. Or he's like, there's some truth to this part of it, you know, and so he's at least somewhat measured with it all. But like, he was talking about these Sumerian. They're like. I don't know how they make cuneiform where they're like these, these. It's etched into these rollers.
- [52:09]
Sal Di Stefano
Okay.
- [52:09]
Justin Andrews
And you can like roll it on clay.
- [52:10]
Sal Di Stefano
Oh, so it writes out.
- [52:12]
Justin Andrews
It writes out the.
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Sal
It's.
- [52:14]
Justin Andrews
Apparently there was a bunch of these different ones scattered, you know, throughout Sumeria or Iraq or wherever that is. And then apparently, like, there's this whole, like, conspiracy where, you know, us getting into Iraq was actually to try to acquire these because they, they, they told the technical means to, to. To create some of those, like, stargate. So like, I know.
- [52:44]
Sal
That's what I thought.
- [52:45]
Justin Andrews
I was like, dude, this is totally like one of those sci fi.
- [52:47]
Sal Di Stefano
Something I'd watch for.
- [52:48]
Sal
Natural treasure.
- [52:50]
Justin Andrews
I was hooked. I'm like, dude, this is my kind of shit right here.
- [52:53]
Sal Di Stefano
That's awesome. Yeah, I love that.
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Sal
I mean, how much like, it's. I always trip out on, like, because we, we get. I mean, shoot. We have, we have an ad today With Juve and I trip out on the science of that. It's just like.
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Sal Di Stefano
Sounds like magic.
- [53:06]
Sal
Yeah, but it's for like the 40s.
- [53:08]
Justin Andrews
You know, that's all verified. Yeah. You shine a red light on you and you get those health benefits.
- [53:13]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. Well, it's radiation. That's it. It's red light radiation. It actually works well, but in the data on. It's been like decades.
- [53:18]
Sal
Exactly my point. Attaching it to your conspiracy theory conversation here is just like we're. We're like the science that gets trickled to us that we get all excited about, like today. It's like, that was so long ago. And it's like, what. What's. So what's cutting edge right now that you have no idea? It's cutting edge because you don't get to know what it is and you know, won't even get released to you for like, isn't there.
- [53:38]
Justin Andrews
How long is it going to take till it's proven, you know, like. Because, you know sometimes, like, you know that there's some bits of truth in it, but like, like, how long? Well, then, you know, how many years is. Are we going to be able to like, come into that technology?
- [53:50]
Sal Di Stefano
Well, the Blackbird, was it the SS.
- [53:53]
Sal
Yes. It was like 50 years.
- [53:54]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. Invented in the like 71. And I think we found out like, way later.
- [53:59]
Sal
Yeah.
- [53:59]
Sal Di Stefano
Maybe even before it was like, fast.
- [54:01]
Sal
Still.
- [54:01]
Sal Di Stefano
I think it's still considered the fastest that we know of, the fastest plane, the stealth bomber.
- [54:06]
Justin Andrews
It's just funny for me, it's people that just discard stuff right away, like, oh, you're fucking stupid. And that's not like, there's nothing to that. Oh, like.
- [54:14]
Sal Di Stefano
Oh, really? Yeah.
- [54:15]
Justin Andrews
Because most things like the. The people have told me that were stupid and like, totally irrelevant are like completely true now.
- [54:24]
Sal Di Stefano
Well, I'd be.
- [54:24]
Sal
I'd be interested if there's somewhere you can find, Doug, like, what the estimation is on how far we are behind the general population, on what we have the capabilities of, science wise.
- [54:35]
Sal Di Stefano
You know, I think they only release things when they feel like they have to or when they have the next technology or there's a lot of money to be made. Yeah. Like. Like, you know the stealth bomber that we use. Always a hustle. We use in Iraq the first time. Yeah. I mean, we had that for a while and I feel like they used Iraq. Like, let's just show everybody because we have already something else that's way, way more advanced. So we'll use this now, but.
- [54:56]
Justin Andrews
But I mean, to kind of Tie back in some of the Iraq stuff. Like they actually like went through these Sumerian museums and there was an organized effort of theft. And they're like this wasn't just random people stealing stuff. Like it was organized. Meaning it was probably like some kind of military involvement.
- [55:16]
Sal Di Stefano
Do you know who was super into this weird stuff? Was the Nazis.
- [55:19]
Sal
Yeah.
- [55:20]
Sal Di Stefano
They invest a lot of time and money in the occult.
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Justin Andrews
Perfect example. Yeah. That's why it's funny because you think Indiana Jones and all that is a great story. Like there's a lot of truth. Like they were going after the occult, like all these different ways to get the spirit destiny. They're trying to find like, you know, all that stuff.
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Sal Di Stefano
Speaking of Joovv. Just for people. So red light therapy definitely works. You probably already know what it is. Joov is the red lights that they use in studies. There's a lot of crappy ones out there. But they're more expensive because they're legit. Their Black Friday is going on right now.
- [55:53]
Sal
What are they doing?
- [55:54]
Sal Di Stefano
Huge discounts.
- [55:56]
Sal
Really huge.
- [55:57]
Justin Andrews
They never do. So that's.
- [55:58]
Sal Di Stefano
Yes.
- [55:59]
Justin Andrews
You gotta get back.
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Sal Di Stefano
I think told me like one of their big units was. What did it say there?
- [56:03]
Adam Schafer
So you get up to a thousand dollars off.
- [56:06]
Justin Andrews
Wow.
- [56:06]
Sal Di Stefano
And they also have payment plans, 0% financing. Oh wow. Available. Yeah.
- [56:11]
Adam Schafer
So for as little as $38 a month you can have one.
- [56:14]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
- [56:14]
Sal
Oh, that's cool.
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Sal Di Stefano
This is like listen, if you've. If you've read the studies on red light therapy and there's tons. Helps with your skin, helps with recovery, raises testosterone, regrows hair. This is all legitimate. Just look it up yourself and you. But joovv is expensive because again, it's the real deal. This is the time to get it. They only do this once a year and it's. The discounts are massive by the way.
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Adam Schafer
I want to bring up that we have some giveaways going on more Black Friday. I just want to mention in particular about the mind pump Park City house.
- [56:45]
Sal
Yeah, yeah.
- [56:46]
Adam Schafer
It has juves there, by the way.
- [56:48]
Sal Di Stefano
Okay.
- [56:48]
Adam Schafer
But we're also giving away two one week stays at the Park City house for the Black Friday.
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Sal Di Stefano
That's right. That's right. So 60% off every maps program, every program bundle and every purchase gets you entries. Also I also.
- [57:02]
Sal
Yes, also this is the time of year when that house gets filled up fast. So if. Besides the chance to win, if you're somebody who's looking to go out there, go skiing in Park City or spend the winter out there. Winter is the time when Everybody wants to get out there. And you go to what is it? Mindpumprentals.com yes.
- [57:19]
Sal Di Stefano
Correct. Yep. Yeah. Paleo Valley meat sticks are delicious. High in protein, on the go snacks. They're clean, they're amazing. They're not dry. They're the best. Go check them out. And right now they're having a buy one, get one free on some of their best sellers including the Beef Sticks, Bone Broth, the Organ complex and their superfood bars. Go to paleovalley.com mindpump that link will get you a discount. Back to the show.
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Adam Schafer
Our first caller is dawn from Washington.
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Sal Di Stefano
Hi Don.
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Sal
How you doing Dawn?
- [57:51]
Sal Di Stefano
Good.
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Caller Dawn
So good.
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Sal Di Stefano
Now how can we help you?
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Caller Dawn
So I wrote the email a couple of months ago. A little few things have changed and it's a novel so I know you guys have access to my novel so I cut it down for you and I got to put on my reader. Sorry, that's part of being 54. Hi Sal, Adam, Justin and Doug. I originally wrote you a novel about two months ago and I know you have access to it so I will cut it down today. I found you guys about three months ago now and I think it was meant to be because you are exactly what I have been looking for and I have binged all the episodes all the way back to May. I am almost 54 years old, wife of 29 years and proud mother of a 19 year old son.
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Caller or Guest
Son.
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Caller Dawn
A little history on my physical journey. I was not allowed to play sports as a youth but desperately wanted to because I was naturally athletically gifted. So once I left home I got heavy into fitness all through my twenties receiving double certifications in personal training and aerobics instruction. Keep in mind this is in the 90s when aerobics was a thing. Working at Gold's Gym, the Alaska Club, Elmendorf Air Force Base in Anchorage, Alaska and basically became a gym rep. I competed in fitness competitions, was a bikini model. During this time I met the man of my dreams and over the next 20 years we became fat and happy together. I didn't care if I ever stepped foot in a gym because I had burnt myself out. In 2006 we had our amazing son and as we all know that becomes priority number one and my health got shoved on the back burner. I tried every fad diet known to men to try to get the extra weight off without going doing what I knew in my head I needed to do. When my son went to middle school, I found myself with a bit more time on my hands for Various reasons. And this is when I found my CrossFit family. I know what you're going to say, and for the most part I agree because over the course of the six years I have been doing it, I have torn a bicep, wrecked my knee and partially torn my supraspinatus. I. I've become the queen of scaling at the box. And now I have cut my workouts from five to six days a week to three to four times a week and recently added in two days of Pilates a week. Unfortunately, three weeks ago I fell down the stairs and re injured my shoulder and bicep. But I'm getting shockwave therapy and working my way back. When our son went to college, my husband and I decided to invest in our health and, and both got on Tirzepatide, which has been a godsend for both of us. I'm down 27 pounds. And after my latest DEXA scan just about two weeks ago, I'm down almost 4% body fat as well, but still have a ways to go. Since I'm sitting at 27%, I'm five to 135 pounds. And with all that, can I gain muscle with one of your programs and still continue to do CrossFit? Because honestly, I can. Cannot give that up entirely. They are my family and I just love them too much.
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Sal Di Stefano
Okay. All right, Don.
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Sal
So lot here.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. So. Okay. What, What's.
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Sal
Are we still. Wait, can I. Are you still on the GLP1?
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Caller Dawn
Yes. I. I came off it for a month in hopes that I could kind of do it, but the cravings just came right back and I'm not at the end of my journey. So I, I got back on it after a month off.
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Sal
So we want to do GLP1, we want to do CrossFit, and we want to do one of the mass programs.
- [61:19]
Sal Di Stefano
And I mean, the short answer is no, but.
- [61:24]
Sal
Now what you want to hear, let's.
- [61:27]
Sal Di Stefano
Let's look at something. Let's look at priorities, like most important things for you. Okay, so what do you want out of this, most importantly?
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Caller Dawn
Well, to be honest with you, because of all that I went through in like that 20 year time span when I found CrossFit, it was the only thing since, since when I was personal, training people was the only thing that like, I craved and I wanted to go to the gym and I couldn't stay away from the gym. So that's what I want. I want to maintain my consistency. But I really, really, truly believe in the power of muscle and longevity and I want to be a strong grandma someday, so I would really like to put on muscle.
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Sal Di Stefano
Okay. So I'm going to. I'm going to create little. Let's. Let's. I'm going to backtrack a little bit and just kind of paint a picture and then I'll ask you that question again. Okay. So I crave it. I can't stop it. I've had three injuries since I started doing it, and I've had issues with exercise in the past that have burnt me out to the point where I stopped completely, let myself gain a bunch of weight. Let me ask you that question again. What is the. What is the top priority for you? Don't.
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Caller Dawn
Longevity muscle.
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Sal Di Stefano
You can't. You got to stop.
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Sal
Yep. It's not the path.
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Sal Di Stefano
You got to stop if that's true. Because your actions right now are not saying that. What your actions are saying is that you value the addiction and it is an addiction.
- [62:50]
Sal
Well, you're.
- [62:50]
Sal Di Stefano
What you described is. What you described was you've connected CrossFit.
- [62:54]
Sal
The same way that. To your old patterns.
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Caller Dawn
What do you mean by that?
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Sal
Well, you were. There was a time in your life when you were a bikini model, you were training, you were a savage in the gym, and you probably. And there's a part of you that missed that limit, but you burnt and you knew that burnt you out. And you found there's something in CrossFit that gives you a taste of that same feeling.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
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Sal
And that feeling is what led you to burning out and that. And we're at that path again. And this is difficult when people attach that to like, man, this is. This feels so good when you do it. It's like, there's such a better path for you that is way less resistance, way less difficult, and it's sustainable for the rest of your life. But it's not through reducing your calories as low as they probably are right now, training in a crossfit mentality and then slapping maps on top of that, that will just get you quicker to that burnout or injury going that pathway.
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Sal Di Stefano
So. So look at. So think of it this way. Okay? There's a relationship with this that is very similar to what someone may have with an addictive substance. Okay. You know, and I'm going, this is obviously a little extreme, but, you know, I love alcohol. I love the way it makes me feel. I enjoy it. I had a dui, My wife kicked me out of the house, and my liver enzymes are through the roof. That happened over the last six years. But I don't want to stop it. I love it. My best friends drink, we hang out together. We have so much fun. So you can kind of hear what that sounds like when you come off of a substance or when you break free or you try to break free from that relationship. What do people always experience?
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Justin Andrews
Withdrawal.
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Sal Di Stefano
Withdrawal. So. So this is gonna suck. If this is. If you really want longevity, dawn, there's going to be a period of. It's. You're not going to like it. You're not going to like it. There's going to be a withdrawal. There's something there that you crave, that you're going to get withdrawal from when you stop. But if you want longevity, you have to do it, because I'm going to tell you right now, if you don't stop, the injuries and the. The challenges are going to get worse.
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Sal
Oh, your body will. Your body will stop you. Whether it stops you now, a year from now, two years from now.
- [65:04]
Sal Di Stefano
And just so you know, like, you know, this. This kind of training. And I'll just generally say over training. Okay. Over training. Beating yourself up has a very high mortality rate. It's not great. Like, when they analyze the hearts of extreme athletes, they look like somebody who doesn't work out and doesn't eat right. And it's because the stress is involved, that constant, you know, the constant stress that they're doing to themselves. So there's going to be a withdrawal here that's going to happen from breaking up with this. This addiction.
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Caller Dawn
I don't even know, honestly, if it's the addiction to the exercise, because the amount that I scale now is, like, it's. It's pathetic. It puts me in, like, the novice beginner category. I think I'm more addicted to the PE people than I am the actual exercise. I just want to see the people. So I'm wondering if, like, could I ask the owner if I can just go to the gym while they're doing their workout and do my lifting instead of doing the wad.
- [66:02]
Sal Di Stefano
Well, here. Here's why I don't. Here's why I don't believe you. Well, I believe that you. I believe you believe I'm gonna go.
- [66:09]
Sal
To the bar and go hang out with the friends, but I'm not gonna have the beer. I mean, if we're going to continue with Sal's analogy, I mean, the scaling.
- [66:17]
Sal Di Stefano
Back, the scaling back, are they going.
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Justin Andrews
To want to pull you in while you're there?
- [66:20]
Sal Di Stefano
And it wouldn't have resulted in three injuries the last six years.
- [66:24]
Caller Jasmine
Yeah.
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Sal Di Stefano
So however Much. You think you're scaling back. It's inappropriate. What you're doing is inappropriate. You wouldn't have had three injuries. Do you know how many injuries you should have over the last six years with appropriate exercise?
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Sal
None.
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Sal Di Stefano
Zero.
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Sal
Yeah. Zero.
- [66:38]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. Zero. One is a lot. One. And one would be like a freak accident. Yeah. So. And I know what's happening right now. Cause I do this to myself. I'm like, oh, well, actually, this is the thing that I want and this is what I like. And so you gotta. You're gonna have to break up with it and go in a completely different direction. It's gonna be really hard on your own. I would say this. I think your fail rate would be high with trying to break up with it. Unless you work with a coach. I think working with a coach who can kind of walk you through. Because it's going to suck. Only it's going to suck for a few months. I mean, I'm just gonna be straight up for a few months. You're gonna be like, this sucks. Like, I feel like I'm barely doing anything. But then once your body starts to feel better, once you start to see, oh, my God, it looks like things are working.
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Sal
Other side of this is amazing.
- [67:24]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. Then you'll get peace. You'll have joyful peace with exercise.
- [67:27]
Sal
The other side of this is double, maybe triple, depending on where your calories are at. Less volume and training and intensity. More muscle on your body energy, more metabolic flexibility, better libido, better. I mean, there's much so, so much on the other side once you get there. But it is going to be rough for a couple months. Where you. Would you be open to working with a coach?
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Caller Jasmine
Oh, yeah.
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Caller Dawn
100%. I. I will need something because I can't do it on my own. That I think, like I said, that was my encouragement with the box, was the people and the community and the atmosphere and the encouragement.
- [68:02]
Sal Di Stefano
I have. I have high hopes now. I heard you say something that is very powerful. Whenever I've worked with someone or trained somebody, and trainers know this. When you. When they say, I can't do this on my own, someone in your position, that's like the big. That's the big first step. The rest now is like, you put it on your coach. I think we're gonna be okay. I'll have somebody call you.
- [68:24]
Sal
We'll take care of you.
- [68:24]
Sal Di Stefano
I'm gonna have someone call you. Don.
- [68:26]
Caller Dawn
Thank you.
- [68:27]
Sal
Thank you, guys.
- [68:28]
Sal Di Stefano
You're gonna love it. Listen, I want you back on in three months, okay? Cause we'll get it. We'll check back in with you. And I think this will be a very different conversation.
- [68:37]
Caller Dawn
I'm very hopeful, but I'm very nervous and very scared.
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Sal Di Stefano
Of course you are.
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Sal
That's why we got you completely new protocol for you. If you're open to that and you're willing that you're going to be fine, you're going to be okay. That's our job now.
- [68:48]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, you're lovely. This will be. Put it on us. We gotcha.
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Caller Dawn
Yeah, Will do. Thank you guys so, so much. I can't even tell you. This has been a real difficult place to come to, but it's when you wake up every morning so sore you can barely get yourself down the stairs. It's like, okay, something has got to give here.
- [69:08]
Sal
Well, Don, I'm excited for you. I'm excited to talk on here again in three months because it's going to be a different tune.
- [69:12]
Sal Di Stefano
That's right.
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Caller Dawn
Awesome. Thank you, guys.
- [69:18]
Sal Di Stefano
So this is just for the trainers that might be watching right now and even people who might identify with Dawn. So what you just saw, there were a couple things there that you saw that, you know, just. We've trained a lot of people so we could kind of see this oftentimes, but you might do this yourself, or if you're a trainer, you'll see this in a client now. It's not bad. It's actually great to validate how someone feels, but sometimes you got to call them out. And so she literally sandwiched a statement with two contradictory statements. I've had three injuries. And then. Well, it's really. I've scaled the intensity down so much, I'm barely doing anything if you. Feels great. And then I called her out and said, I don't believe you. And then how did she. And how did she close that conversation? Yeah, something's got to change. I can't be this sore walking down, obviously.
- [70:02]
Sal
Yeah.
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Sal Di Stefano
That second time when she said, I scaled it back, she was. She was lying, but more importantly, she was lying to herself. And this is where it gets very difficult.
- [70:12]
Sal
We didn't even get into totally different.
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Justin Andrews
Narrative in her head.
- [70:14]
Sal
You know, we didn't even get into how obvious this is versus dude. Because the fact that she's on a GLP1 also tells me she's probably really low calorie and somebody and doing four days a week.
- [70:25]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, that's already way too overtraining you.
- [70:27]
Justin Andrews
On top of being under calories.
- [70:29]
Sal
Oh. I mean, if anybody who's ever looked at. We wrote a program for people on GLP1s. And if you saw the recommendation for exercise and movement, it is minimal, very minimal, minimal. And somebody who is eating that low a calorie. Your goal is to just try and save as much muscle. You are not in build muscle mode. You cannot build muscle on a thousand or twelve hundred calories a day, especially with that much activity and like CrossFit. So it was only a matter of time that she was going, her body was going to give. So I'm glad we caught her and I'm glad she's open the fact, because that's that to me that was everything. It's like when I ask that question and they go like, oh, I don't know, maybe or this or that, then you're like, this ain't gonna happen. But she was very open to it.
- [71:12]
Adam Schafer
So our next caller is Joe from Illinois.
- [71:15]
Sal Di Stefano
Joe, what's up Joe?
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Sal
How you doing, Joe?
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Caller Joe
Hey guys, how's it going?
- [71:17]
Sal
Good.
- [71:18]
Sal Di Stefano
How can we help you? Good.
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Caller Joe
So I'm 20 years old. I'll just read straight from my email here. I'm about 6 foot 4, 185 pounds. I'm sitting around 7 to 8% body fat. Currently. I'm working at a factory from 3:30pm to 2am Monday through Thursday. And I'm also a new personal training. I'm a brand new trainer and I've been with clients for about three months now. That's usually from 9:30am to 2:00pm so during the week I'm only getting about five to six hours of sleep. I still make time to train myself from 2 to 3pm Monday through Thursday. I'm currently running a split of chest and back, shoulders and arms, legs, and then a core and recovery day. My main focus right now is building muscle, getting up over £200 and breaking through some plateaus like bench. So my main question is with this kind of schedule and workload, what can I do to keep making progress, gain size and strength but also stay mentally balanced and avoid burnout for myself, relationships and my clients.
- [72:35]
Sal
Drops it two days a week, full body routine instead. Yeah, you don't need, you don't need to do that much with everything you got going on.
- [72:42]
Sal Di Stefano
Joe, let me, let's, let's back up for a second. You're 20. Yeah, yeah. Why are you working so much? What's the, what's the goal here? What are you doing?
- [72:50]
Caller Joe
So I literally just moved out with my girlfriend this past weekend and then I also have a car payment and I just got bills to pay, so Is it?
- [73:03]
Sal Di Stefano
So you need to work that much to cover all your bills?
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Caller Joe
Yeah. Right now?
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Caller Jasmine
Yeah.
- [73:07]
Sal Di Stefano
Okay. All right. So. So. Because typically I'd tell somebody back off, but you're 20 so you can kind of get away with going a little nuts. Yeah. I, I hope you're trying to save your money because you can't live like this forever.
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Caller Joe
Yeah.
- [73:21]
Sal Di Stefano
Okay. All right. Good, good. You plan on marrying this girl?
- [73:23]
Caller Joe
Yeah, we've been together for about four years now.
- [73:26]
Sal Di Stefano
Good for you. All right, so here. So here's the deal, bro. You got to work out way less because you're getting such so little sleep.
- [73:32]
Sal
Yeah.
- [73:32]
Sal Di Stefano
It's just not going to work, dude. I mean, I like Adam's suggestion. The other way would be maps 15 and eat more and eat more food. Do you ever have a time to sleep in or take naps?
- [73:42]
Caller Joe
Well, weekends. Yeah, sometimes I have like my two hour breaks in between clients and work and.
- [73:48]
Sal Di Stefano
Good.
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Caller Joe
I'll take naps.
- [73:50]
Sal Di Stefano
Take naps when you can and sleep in on the weekend when you can. Maps 15 is your program and you'll get stronger. You'll get stronger following that and bump your calories. Are you hitting your protein?
- [74:02]
Caller Joe
Yeah, I'm around like 180 right now.
- [74:04]
Sal Di Stefano
Good. Yeah, yeah. No, yeah. I mean Mass 15 is going to be a workout. You go any harder than that, any more than that and you're just going to stay where you're at. You're not going to get any.
- [74:12]
Sal
It really would depend for me on what's easier for you. Is is it easier for you to get in the gym six days a week for just 15, 20 minutes or is it easier just to do one.
- [74:22]
Sal Di Stefano
Or two days full body?
- [74:25]
Caller Joe
So yeah, I mean, yeah, I could do like 15, 20 minutes here and there, like before and after clients and.
- [74:31]
Sal Di Stefano
Oh, because. Yeah, yeah.
- [74:34]
Sal
So.
- [74:34]
Sal Di Stefano
So why don't we send you Mass 15 and, and just do it like that.
- [74:38]
Sal
Just so you know that what's cool about the way we design that though is you could pair days together. So when, if there's certain days when you got longer periods of time you could take, you know, but that, that amount of volume is what's more appropriate for where you're at right now. More lifting, a harder program, more days or body part splits is not going to build you more muscle right now. Reducing the volume with everything else you're going and eating more calories is what will do it.
- [75:02]
Sal Di Stefano
So are you trying to switch over to full time personal training? Is that the direction you want to go? Oh, I see. Good for you, dude, Good for you. Are you at it? Are you at a big box gym?
- [75:13]
Caller Joe
Yeah, I'm at Anytime Fitness.
- [75:15]
Sal Di Stefano
Okay. Okay. All right. How long you been there?
- [75:18]
Caller Joe
It's about three months now.
- [75:19]
Sal Di Stefano
Oh, good man. All right, so if you got. Save up enough money to give yourself some Runway. So you mind if I give you some business advice? Life advice?
- [75:28]
Caller Joe
Sure, yeah, go ahead.
- [75:29]
Sal Di Stefano
Save up some money from the factory work. I'm assuming that's your main paycheck right now, so you give yourself some Runway. Give yourself maybe three months of Runway when you're there. Go all in with personal training. Go all in with personal training and a company like anytime, you should be able to build up a book pretty quickly, especially if you apply yourself. You work on sales skills, you work on all that stuff, and then you can move up the ladder. I know the fitness managers. You could do well. General manager. You could do well. Or you could do another anytime. I believe so.
- [76:00]
Sal
Anytime. Is the small. The small. The small check in.
- [76:02]
Sal Di Stefano
Do they have. Do you have a fitness manager?
- [76:04]
Sal
No, I just.
- [76:06]
Caller Joe
I have my manager there.
- [76:07]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
- [76:08]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [76:08]
Sal Di Stefano
Well, my point is there's. There may be opportunities to move up or go in another big box.
- [76:12]
Sal
Yeah. Where you at? Where you live? Tell me where you live. Where you at?
- [76:15]
Caller Joe
Rockford.
- [76:16]
Sal
Rockford, California.
- [76:18]
Caller Joe
Illinois.
- [76:18]
Sal
Illinois. Okay, so is that the big. Is that the biggest gym out there?
- [76:24]
Caller Joe
No, there's like Crunches and.
- [76:26]
Sal
Yeah, see, Crunch Fitness would be a. A faster path of like. I mean, that. That's what I would do. I would. I would do what Sal said. Save your money. And then because you've already got some experience at any time, apply at a place like Crunch, where you're going to get a bigger schedule and probably more consistent pay as a trainer. And then you could really scale up.
- [76:44]
Sal Di Stefano
Give yourself three months.
- [76:45]
Sal
We know people at Crunch, so. Yeah, that's. That's. That's the place to go.
- [76:49]
Sal Di Stefano
Are you in our course?
- [76:50]
Sal
That's Master Off's place. You know that, right?
- [76:51]
Sal Di Stefano
No, I'm not.
- [76:52]
Sal
No.
- [76:52]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. Dude, you got to check out our course.
- [76:54]
Sal
Dude, are you watching.
- [76:55]
Sal Di Stefano
Are you.
- [76:55]
Sal
Are you watching the YouTube video with the. The. For trainers?
- [76:59]
Caller Joe
Yeah, I'm in.
- [77:00]
Sal Di Stefano
I.
- [77:00]
Caller Joe
When I'm, like, not listening to your guys's main. I'm listening to Kyle's.
- [77:04]
Sal Di Stefano
Okay, good, good, good.
- [77:05]
Sal
Okay, good, Good, bro. Okay, good.
- [77:07]
Sal Di Stefano
You're good, dude. You're good. Yeah. If you really apply yourself, I mean, you. You just build your career in fitness, but it'll be hard to do while working at the factory at the same time. So that's why I'm saying give yourself some Runway, cut it off, and then go all in for three months. And that should. That'll give you enough time to somebody.
- [77:22]
Sal
With your work ethic, though, when you make that switch, you'll be fine because you just apply that work ethic to inside the gym, even when you're not getting paid to try and find clients and meet people, and you'll be all right.
- [77:34]
Sal Di Stefano
And in the meantime, we'll send you mass 15. So you got that kind of a workout plan?
- [77:37]
Sal
Yeah, yeah.
- [77:38]
Caller Joe
Thank you, guys.
- [77:39]
Sal
And then stay in touch. Also, I don't know if you're in the. We have a personal trainer forum on Facebook, so if you're not in there, get inside that too. Yeah, that way.
- [77:45]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
- [77:45]
Sal
Okay. All right, dude. All right, Joe, we'll be in touch, man.
- [77:48]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, good luck after it, man.
- [77:50]
Caller Joe
Thanks.
- [77:52]
Sal Di Stefano
Young kid getting after it.
- [77:53]
Sal
Yeah. Yeah.
- [77:54]
Sal Di Stefano
I had to ask him why he was working so much because I figured it was something like that. Right. But you know, this is the age.
- [78:00]
Justin Andrews
When you grind at this age.
- [78:01]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. You stretch yourself.
- [78:02]
Sal
You can handle it.
- [78:03]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. And. And he can get away with it more than I would be able to. Right. If I did that now, I'd die. Yeah.
- [78:08]
Justin Andrews
But in my 20s, I mean, his workouts are just for maintenance.
- [78:11]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, that's it.
- [78:11]
Sal
Well, I mean, to me, that's the biggest point to be made right here is that, you know, and this is the mistake that I made at that age. I absolutely worked like that, but I still thought I needed to be lifting.
- [78:22]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, exactly.
- [78:23]
Justin Andrews
I'm still trying to get jacked.
- [78:24]
Sal
Yeah. I'm still killing the gym. You know what I'm saying? Like, still not wondering why you can't. Yeah, yeah. Wondering why I'm not going to hard plateau forever. I wish someone spit game at me and been like, hey, dude, scale all the way back to one day or two and watch what happens. I'll be like, what? No way. That's good.
- [78:39]
Sal Di Stefano
I know.
- [78:40]
Sal
So that's what he needs to do.
- [78:41]
Adam Schafer
Our next caller is Kevin from Pennsylvania.
- [78:44]
Sal Di Stefano
Kevin. Kevin.
- [78:44]
Sal
How you doing, Kevin?
- [78:45]
Caller or Guest
What's going on, guys? How are we doing?
- [78:47]
Sal Di Stefano
Good, man. How can we help you?
- [78:49]
Caller or Guest
Thanks. Super cool to be here. I'm just going to go ahead and read my question off. So some background personal information for me. I was a personal trainer for. For just shy of 10 years, starting around 18 and making a career pivot at 27. At the height of COVID over those 10 years, I lived in the gym, had no problem getting in four to five days of strength training and mobility work. I was able to maintain a healthy relationship with my now wife while also taking care of myself and my personal responsibilities with relative ease. During this time period I would typically stay around 210£220 which was a weight I felt very good at. For reference, I'm 510 would say I had a very good amount of muscle built from all the years I had spent lifting weights since starting around age 13 when Covid hit my gym closed and I lost my part time job as a bartender and needed to make a pivot. After a few odd jobs I finally transitioned into medical sales and I absolutely love it. It's been a huge boost in my financial and personal relationship health as I don't work 60 plus hours a week anymore and I make a healthy salary. The downside is I no longer live in the gym and maintaining the level of fitness I once did in the way that I did it is really no longer possible. My wife and I have been blessed with twins who just turned one in August and that of course just adds to the challenge. Since their birth I've gained about £20 and sit around £240 and I can't seem to shake it. I finally feel like I've started to gain some semblance of consistency back in the gym again now that the twins sleep the in until about 8am and I can get up before everyone else and get a workout in. However, I'm now 33 and I just can't seem to get past the mentality of 23 year old Kevin who doesn't want to make an excuse for getting in the gym less than four times per week and should be eating very clean most of the time. My new reality is that I simply don't have the time to track macros, get in the gym four times a week, get enough sleep, or just generally put myself before my family as I once did. All that being said, my question is simple. What should someone like me who used to do it all be prioritizing to be the healthiest version of myself? Well, hopefully shedding some of the body weight I put on since becoming a father and some additional info to give you guys some more context. Like I said, I'm in medical sales so I sit in the car for six to eight hours a day. I don't get a lot of non exercise movement. All my appointments revolve around breakfast, lunch and coffee. I generally make really smart decisions, but it's still eating out for two or more meals a day and that Makes tracking next to impossible. I've been running maps aesthetic for the last six weeks with great results. But the early wake ups and the long workouts are really getting to me. Later in the day I'm usually toast by like 2 or 3pm and this ultimately cuts into time with my wife at night as I'm generally exhausted by 9 or 9:30 and that needs to change. So, you know, we plan on having more kids soon, so I don't anticipate getting any of that time back. Just trying to optimize for the long term. Sincerely, thank you guys for all you do. Truly makes a difference in so many people's lives.
- [82:02]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, dude. Well, I mean, you're still doing it all, right? You're still doing it all, brother. You just, you just have kids and a wife and you're, you're supporting everybody. So you're still doing it all. I think the challenge is, you know, the lie that you believe, which is it has to be a particular way and you actually get better results being consistent doing it a more appropriate, applying things a more appropriate way. So we'll start with diet and I'm glad you added that last part. So a lot of your sales happen around a meal?
- [82:30]
Caller or Guest
Yes, pretty much all of them.
- [82:32]
Sal Di Stefano
Right. So it's not like you can meal prep and then you're gonna bring out your Tupperware while the guy or girl eats across from you.
- [82:36]
Caller or Guest
So yeah, the doctors, sometimes they, they like to eat with you. Right. You know, it's kind of like, it's like a family thing. They like to have that relationship. So I don't ever like to. I tried the meal prepping thing for a little bit. Like you said, it's just kind of not sustainable. It comes off as a little, you know, not so humble when you're.
- [82:52]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, no, no, I totally get it. I totally get it. So, so what I would do when you eat out, choose a protein and eat low carb. It's one of the easiest non trackable ways to manage your calories. So whenever you're eating out, big piece of meat. Yeah, meat and vegetables, no carbs or oh, you know, burger with no bun and you know, and some pickles or something or whatever. So it's always protein and vegetables and eat low carb. It's just a very easy way to track calories or I should say maintain calories appropriate and eat protein also, since.
- [83:25]
Sal
We'Re on the diet, because I did have some thoughts around this, it reminds me the transition I went through myself personally from being the bodybuilder guy to the guy who sits on a podcast and doesn't do any of that stuff anymore. And it took me a couple years. I shared, I don't know how long you've been listening, but I shared this on this podcast when I went through this transition of I'm no longer that guy. And so the way every meal I looked at, I had to look at differently because I, I what I had to fuel to be this 235 pound jacked dude that was training clients and lifting hour and a half every day. I had to eat double. Like, and so I really had to retrain myself. Like, there's these. And I don't know if you have consistent places you eat or consistent meals that I had trained my brain of. Like, that's what I order from there. That's what. Even though it's kind of a healthy thing or semi healthy, the portion sizes were just what I used to eat and I hadn't, I hadn't transitioned to like, well, what if I ate just half of that? And it, it's like I was fine, I was satisfied with it, but I had literally trained myself to eat the same way. And so I don't know if you experience that at all. But like, I had to just like, my Chipotle meal is different, my five guys meal is different. Like all these meals that I ate 10 years ago, I could still eat them. I just had to portion control in a different way than what I used to. And it took me a minute to get used to that.
- [84:45]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. But generally speaking, low carb is the way to go. When you eat out without tracking you, you aim for the protein, eat low carbs or no carbs. You know, if they have a vegetable side or whatever, go with that and you're typically okay. Typically okay. And then when it comes to the workout, a couple options. First off, you don't need four days a week, five days a week in the gym. You know, two full body workouts a day will give you a significant amount of results. Or you could try like a Maps 15 protocol where you do two lifts a day. So which one works better? Like, because the two lifts a day tends to feel more consistent. It's short, it's like 20 minutes, I'm done. But that might be, I don't know if that's more or less convenient for somebody like you. Or would you prefer like two workouts a week?
- [85:32]
Caller or Guest
You know, I think I would prefer the consistency of it because, you know, I'm pretty blessed that my gym is a mile from my house. So it takes me about 15 minutes to roll out of bed, get pre workout and I'm in the gym in under 15 minutes. So doing it every day is not necessarily a problem. I guess my skepticism and probably the mindset shift that I need to make is that I just done so much volume for so long and I've got, like I said, I've been running aesthetic for six weeks and it's, I've gotten great results. I know I've built muscle, I know I burnt a little body fat. But like it's just unsustainable in my lifestyle. So I guess I would kind of need to be sold on the idea of like, you know, like how does the volume go?
- [86:12]
Sal
With that, here's what will be so much better for you. Do this, do the math. 15. And then with that extra time that you would normally be lifting more weights, get on the treadmill because you don't have, you don't move a lot throughout the day.
- [86:22]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. Just walk.
- [86:23]
Sal
You're not, you're not that. Use that time to get your steps in and your activity and that's, that's.
- [86:28]
Sal Di Stefano
How you cut the time. Like I don't have a lot of time so I do less or none. Yeah, but it's two lifts a day by the way. I'm not going to sell it to you, Kevin. It'll sell itself.
- [86:35]
Sal
Yeah.
- [86:37]
Sal Di Stefano
Do it for three weeks. Just try three weeks. You'll get stronger the whole time.
- [86:40]
Sal
Yeah, for sure.
- [86:41]
Sal Di Stefano
It'll, it'll say.
- [86:42]
Sal
And when you have days, like let's say, because it sounds like you get there in the morning and you got, if you have a whole hour then get on the treadmill and walk right afterwards. Throw it on incline. Nice little power walk.
- [86:52]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
- [86:52]
Sal
Listen, after, after your lift days that you don't have that time, just do your two lifts and get out. So that's what your gym routine should look like. And then follow Sal's advice with food. I, I give it three weeks. It'll blow your mind if you just stick to that and trust the process.
- [87:04]
Caller or Guest
Okay, I understood. It does make sense too because, and like you said, the, the non exercise stuff, the movement, I've really been thinking that's kind of where I've been lacking and like, you know, we take the dogs for a walk here and there, but it's not every day. And I just generally get sit so much now. And I think that was the thing that really, I think I need to kind of just work on that. That makes a lot of sense. Where, okay, I'm still getting in my movements, I'm still getting in a workout every day, but I can hop on the treadmill and get in a couple thousand steps. Totally kind of get that. Have you ever low effort.
- [87:34]
Sal
Have you ever wore an aura ring or a Fitbit or use any of those tools before?
- [87:38]
Caller or Guest
I have not have been really looking into it just to really get an aura ring.
- [87:43]
Sal
My sleep. Get it. Get an Oura ring. Simple. They're easy. That's. I mean, that's. I use that and I love it for sleeping steps. Those are the two things I use it for. It does all kinds of other cool. But I don't care about all other stuff. All I care about is keeping an eye on my regular daily activity. Because guys like us, okay, you and us who sit a lot throughout work it days, sneak up on us and I'm like, holy, I only did 3, 000 steps today. Then I have other days where I'm active, I'm doing things, I'm moving around, I get 10,000. But that fluctuation is a huge difference. And just being mindful and aware of those days, you're so low of like, oh, that's a day I gotta definitely get some walks in. Really helps. And then also be mindful of your sleep. I think those two things, I really use the ring for that. And if you don't have one, I think it's a worthwhile investment for where you're at in your journey right now.
- [88:29]
Caller or Guest
Okay, understood.
- [88:30]
Sal
Yeah.
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Caller or Guest
The sleep has always been. I've never been the greatest sleeper, which is probably the reason why the early work morning workouts kind of get to me. Because if I'm running on five or six, I'm just useless throughout the rest of the day. Like, I really. I need an 8 plus to really kind of be at my best. So that would probably be great to just track that and see where I'm really at and see if I can improve on that too. Take care of those little things.
- [88:53]
Sal
Yeah, that's a great, great plan right here.
- [88:55]
Sal Di Stefano
Again, try for three weeks. You're going to get stronger the whole time and then you'll be sold. You'll see for yourself. Here's the realization you're going to have, Kevin, is you've done too much. And you're like, man, I didn't need to do as much as I thought.
- [89:05]
Caller or Guest
Yeah, I know. I mean, you guys probably know this too. It's such a hard mindset to get out of when you're. When you were doing it, it was always what worked, and you want to stay with what works. But I just know I'm at the point now where I'm like, you know, I got kids. I'm gonna have more kids. Life's not slowing down anytime soon. I gotta figure out how to do this better and more optimally.
- [89:23]
Sal
Different season of your life.
- [89:25]
Sal Di Stefano
And here's the other thing, too. You did so much training in your past. There's so much muscle memory there that.
- [89:31]
Sal
That's gonna really serve you.
- [89:32]
Sal Di Stefano
You don't need to do as much as you did to even get what you had in the past. You need to do less. Yeah, you did all the work. It's like. It's like investment. Like, you've got more money in the account now, and so you don't need so much to. To create as much through the interest. So muscle memory is very powerful.
- [89:47]
Sal
Yeah.
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Caller or Guest
Yeah. And it's funny, that kind of. That exact thing makes me think I need to be doing more. But in reality, I'm sure you're right, that, you know, the investment is there. I did a lot of work in my. My early teens and twenties.
- [89:59]
Sal Di Stefano
Try it for three weeks. You'll see.
- [90:00]
Sal
Yep.
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Caller or Guest
Okay. I love that. I'm gonna do that.
- [90:02]
Sal Di Stefano
All right, Kevin, we'll see you.
- [90:04]
Caller or Guest
You guys are the best.
- [90:05]
Sal
Appreciate it. Take it easy, man.
- [90:06]
Sal Di Stefano
Got it. That was good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was good. You know, that's. That's another. That's a good one for people who worked out a lot in their youth. Like, you build up that muscle memory, you just don't need a lot later.
- [90:15]
Sal
I mean, you hear me screaming that on the podcast right now.
- [90:18]
Sal Di Stefano
It's crazy.
- [90:18]
Sal
I think that's the coolest thing. I wish I. I mean, you don't really do it. It is such a selling point. It's like, get it in right now when you're in your 20s. Lift, lift, lift, lift, lift. You build all. Get all the volume you want.
- [90:28]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [90:28]
Sal
Because life. Your life will change. Your priorities will switch. You know, you'll have a family, you'll have kids, you have a wife. You'll be a provider. You'll do all these things. And the guy who lifted an hour and a half in the gym, six.
- [90:39]
Sal Di Stefano
Seven days a week, just suddenly two, three workouts a week, or do it. Do it for you.
- [90:45]
Sal
Yeah. Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
Our next caller is Jasmine from California.
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Sal Di Stefano
Hi, Jasmine.
- [90:49]
Sal
How you doing, Jasmine?
- [90:49]
Justin Andrews
Hello.
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Caller Jasmine
Good morning.
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Sal Di Stefano
How can we help you?
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Caller Jasmine
Thank you for having me. First of all, this is like a pinch me moment, so I really appreciate it. I have been Listening to you guys since August. And it was off the episode with Autumn Smith, I think that you guys had. My best friend sent it to me because she asked me about why I'm not eating red meat and stuff. So I just started listening since then, and you guys sound pretty legit, and I just follow everything that you guys say. I don't even listen to any of the podcasters or any other ones that I used to. So whatever you guys say, I'm like, okay, cool, I gotta listen to that.
- [91:26]
Sal Di Stefano
How can we help you? Thank you.
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Caller Jasmine
Okay, I can start off just by reading my email. Okay, so I'm 31. I was born with hypothyroid. I've been overweight my whole life. I just recently lost a lot of weight and neared my goal of 180 pounds, although it sounds like a lot. I've been up to 270 pounds and my heaviest, and it's been that. I think 180 is a realistic goal for me. I started taking a GLP1 just recently in the beginning of 2024, and I feel that it's helped me a lot. And it started with the semaglutide, and tirzepatide is what I'm on right now. So I went from 225 to 185 within a year, and I felt great. I've been going to the gym since I was in 11th grade, so I know a little bit about lifting and cardio, and I did think that cardio was the answer. But now that you guys say that it's lifting, I'm like, cool. I like lifting. It's the best. Let me see. So I had gotten off of the GLP1 for a month or two, and my goal was to stay off of it and keep my weight off. And I feel that I gained a lot of my weight back because right Now I'm at 205, and it's very disheartening because I'm doing a lot of the same things that I was doing while I was on it. So my question is, how can I get unstuck and keep the weight off? Because I'm still lifting a lot of weight. I feel like I'm lifting more weight now, and I don't want to base my progress off of a scale, which I should know. But still, it's very. It's just there. I see myself feeling good one day, and I'm like, okay, do I want to risk ruining my day or not? And then I ruin my day. But I also want to Mention that I work 40 hours a week and two of those days are 16 hour days. So my sleep is terrible. And I know you guys have mentioned that sleep is a big aspect in this, so I don't know what to do. I want to be able to get the wheel rolling again, but if I can get it rolling with all of them rolling at once instead of one, and then mess up one thing and then I just. I don't know how to approach it at this point because I feel like if I'm doing the same thing, then I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
- [93:49]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. Thank you so much for calling in and sharing all this. You're lovely. By the way. Can I ask you a direct question?
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Caller Jasmine
Yeah.
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Sal Di Stefano
How do you feel you've done or how do you feel about yourself through this process? Be honest.
- [94:02]
Caller Jasmine
Honestly, I feel like I've done a great job because this is where I started.
- [94:08]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
- [94:10]
Justin Andrews
All right.
- [94:11]
Caller Jasmine
So I got down to. I'm not trying to get. I'm okay with being thick. My jeans are just. That's how it is. And I'm okay with that. And I feel good with being at a certain way that I'm, you know, having a goal to attain. But if I keep going up and down, then I just beat myself up. Every day I feel like every day I wake up and go to sleep thinking about, how do I look?
- [94:36]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
- [94:37]
Caller Jasmine
How do I feel?
- [94:37]
Sal Di Stefano
Well, I agree with you. I think you're doing a great job.
- [94:39]
Sal
You've killed it so far.
- [94:41]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. Now.
- [94:41]
Caller Jasmine
Thank you.
- [94:42]
Sal Di Stefano
So, but here's. How did it feel during that. Those two months you were off the GLP1 and you saw the scale go up? How are you?
- [94:49]
Caller Jasmine
I felt terrible.
- [94:50]
Sal Di Stefano
How are you feeling about yourself when that's happening?
- [94:52]
Caller Jasmine
Not good.
- [94:53]
Caller Joe
Yeah.
- [94:55]
Sal Di Stefano
This is. It's hard. This is hard. So when you. When you're going off the GLP1, the signal that the GLP1 is sending your body is not there anymore. And so it's. It's. It's very insidious. There's this insidious change in behaviors that creep up on you, and then we can beat ourselves up over it. But I want you to give yourself grace because this process is going to be full of stumbles. Like, this whole process, the journey of health and fitness, is a journey of you're doing well and then you stumble and you got to get back up, and then you stumble and then you get back up. And if you don't give yourself grace, what'll creep in is shame. And the shame is going to move you in the wrong direction. And you'll start to view fitness as a way to punish yourself or diet as restrictive. And then at some point, you're going to be like, I hate. I don't like to feel this way about myself. I don't want to do this anymore. I just want to enjoy my life. And then you go in the opposite direction and then shame gets even worse. And you just. This, you just do this back. It's like a bumper play. It's like the bumpers on the. You know, when you're. When you're bowling, you're bing, bing, bing, bing, but you're never kind of staying in the middle, so you got to give yourself grace the whole time. And so what will help through this process is when you're feeling bad about yourself, write down three things that are true, that are good. Like, man, I came from here. This time I only gained this much weight, and now I'm catching myself and I'm lifting weights. Consistent. Those are all true things.
- [96:21]
Sal
I got stronger, too.
- [96:22]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, I got stronger.
- [96:23]
Sal
I want to shed some light on a little bit of this, this weight gain too, because this also is part of the mind is when you came out the GLP1, what ends up happening is we typically calories will naturally come up a little bit, right?
- [96:34]
Sal Di Stefano
For sure.
- [96:35]
Sal
And you got stronger. You probably some of that weight is muscle. So it's not like you just put. You went from, you know, doing all this, had GLP1, then you get off GLP1, and all of a sudden you just put all body fat on you. If you were still lifting and you were. You feel stronger in the gym right now, you put some muscle on too, which is a good, positive thing. Even if we did put on some extra body fat and you go, you went a little further than you would have liked. There's some. There is a silver lining in that. I mean that metabolically, that's good for you. Building strength, that's good for you. Putting muscle on, that's good for you. And let's say when you come back down to that weight that you were at before, you'll look better. You'll look better because you have built muscle on that frame now. So it's not all bad. So to Sal's point of, this is not a perfect linear journey of just all results, all possible. I mean, all of us, even as all the knowledge and experience we have, our journey looks like that too. So it's important that you. You recognize that you. There's some good that happened in that, that weight gain too.
- [97:33]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. So are you able, are you using the kind of Tirzepatide that you're able to measure it yourself in the syringe or is it pre loaded doses?
- [97:41]
Caller Jasmine
They're loaded doses.
- [97:42]
Sal Di Stefano
Okay.
- [97:44]
Caller Jasmine
My goal is to stay off of it because it's, it's pretty expensive. So I'm like, okay, I feel like this is when I was losing weight. And I've also listened to recently your guys metabolic podcast where it, where you guys said that if you eat 1300 calories and your body's used to it, you, you're stuck with that your whole life and I don't want to be like that.
- [98:05]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, no, you're right because my, my.
- [98:07]
Caller Jasmine
Caloric intake right now is 1890.
- [98:09]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, you're, listen, you're on point so here. So. Okay. And you're paying out of pocket for it, right? This isn't partially covered by insurance. Okay. If you're paying already out of pocket, you could go through our, our providers@mphormones.com and go with the, the compounded Tirzepatide. Because then what you could do is.
- [98:27]
Sal
You could lower your dose.
- [98:28]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. You could slowly lower the dose. Less expensive. Yeah. So rather than going like preloaded and I can't cut the dose, it's like either on or off. What you can do is go on a protocol where it's like I'm taking this much now, I'm taking a little less, I'm taking a little less. So it's more of a scale down process versus just coming completely off. But of course you want to work with a doctor.
- [98:48]
Justin Andrews
So they're going to determine all that.
- [98:49]
Sal Di Stefano
So you go, you go there, you talk to them. I'm already on Tirzepatide, I'd like to switch to yours. And here's my dose and I would like to slowly wean myself down and then they'll, they'll work with you on that protocol. As far as your workouts go ahead.
- [99:03]
Caller Jasmine
Is it possible that I would have seen better results off the semiglutide than the Tirzepatide?
- [99:08]
Sal
No, no, no, that's not what's going on. What you would have had better success with is had you not cut cold turkey and if you had the option to cut the dose in half because then you wouldn't, the calories wouldn't have bumped up as fast.
- [99:20]
Sal Di Stefano
In a perfect world. Jasma, what it looks like perfect world. And again, this has to be done with the doctor. I want to be clear in a Perfect world. You work. You work with a fitness coach and you slowly scale down the GLP1. And the coach helps you train and work through the behaviors that are going to help through that process. Because. So here's what happens. You go on a GLP1 cuts your appetite, and when you come off, the appetite comes back up. But what you want to do is you want to create new behaviors around that discomfort that comes from wanting to eat or being hungry. So. And that's kind of a process. It's not like just automatic. So it's like, okay, well, I used to reach for this. You need a lot of rest. When I was bored. All right, what am I gonna do now when I'm bored? So you gotta replace it with something else. And I'm giving you, like, the real short version of it. So it's a bit of a process that's in a perfect world. But nonetheless, I think it's. It's just from the experience that we've heard from people who've done this, it's typically easier and better to kind of slowly scale down. Follow your strength training. Are you following a MAPS program?
- [100:23]
Caller Jasmine
I'm not.
- [100:23]
Sal Di Stefano
Okay. How many days a week are you in the gym?
- [100:26]
Caller Jasmine
So I'm in the gym. I try to go for four, because I have four days off. So I make myself go. I go for sure. Three days. And I lift. And I listened to another one that said that walking is the answer for fat loss. Right. So I'm like, okay, cool. Sometimes on my lazy days, I'll do like 30 minutes on the Stairmaster.
- [100:47]
Sal
And that's fine? Yeah, that's fine.
- [100:50]
Sal Di Stefano
I'm gonna send you. I'm gonna send you a program so you can follow maps Anabolic.
- [100:53]
Caller Jasmine
Okay.
- [100:54]
Sal Di Stefano
Do the three day a week version on it. Okay.
- [100:56]
Caller Jasmine
Okay.
- [100:56]
Sal Di Stefano
So that's your workout. So we got that under control diet wise. Hit. Hit your. Hit A target protein. I'm gonna give you. How tall are you?
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Caller Jasmine
Five three.
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Sal
Five.
- [101:06]
Sal Di Stefano
Three, five, three. Okay, so I'll say 100. About. Yeah, about 100. Let's go 130 to 150 grams of protein a day. So let's go 150. Eat that first.
- [101:15]
Sal
Yes.
- [101:15]
Sal Di Stefano
No matter what, I'm gonna eat that first. Okay. Every meal, try to stay away from.
- [101:21]
Caller Jasmine
Okay, so first protein, then potatoes, then whatever.
- [101:24]
Sal
Yes.
- [101:24]
Sal Di Stefano
I don't care what else.
- [101:25]
Sal
Yep.
- [101:25]
Sal Di Stefano
But 150 grams of protein, like breakfast, lunch, and there. That's 50 grams in a meal. It's a big serving. Yeah. So eat that. Even if you're like, oh, Man, I don't want to eat any more of this meat. I'd rather have some of this whatever. No, I gotta eat this first. That's the only rule. Eat that first.
- [101:38]
Caller Jasmine
Is it fine if it's not like meat? Like, because I'll try and do a protein smoothie in the morning which consists of the Greek YoGurt that has 30 grams.
- [101:46]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, yeah, that's fine.
- [101:47]
Sal
Yeah, that's fine.
- [101:48]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, that's fine. But if your issue, if you have a challenge with appetite, food is better at producing satiety than smoothies.
- [101:54]
Caller Jasmine
Okay.
- [101:55]
Sal Di Stefano
So if you're like, man, and then go ahead.
- [101:56]
Caller Jasmine
Sorry, one more thing. So there's often days where I struggle to hit the goal for anything because I feel like I get really bloated.
- [102:06]
Sal Di Stefano
So that's just. That's just what you're eating. That's what you're eating, is it? Yep, yep.
- [102:11]
Caller Jasmine
Okay.
- [102:11]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
- [102:12]
Caller Jasmine
Because you mentioned sibo and sifo, I'm like, what if I have that?
- [102:17]
Sal Di Stefano
I mean, you might so GLP1, slow down gastric emptying. So it could probably make more of that happen. But if I think I would avoid. Avoid things. Gluten, I would start there. Avoid gluten. Breads, pastas, processed foods. And that oftentimes makes a difference. Step number two, add some well cooked greens, like really, really well cooked spinach, broccoli, you know, I mean, like make it mushy because that's what makes it easy to digest. Berries for fiber, that typically handles it. Then the next thing I cut out is dairy. Then the next thing would be like eggs, if you want to go down the list.
- [102:50]
Sal
White rice, sweet potato, quinoa, fruit. Those are your main sources of carbohydrates. Stick to those. That will more than likely be easy for you to digest and you won't feel bloated from that. Eat the protein first, like Sal is saying. So whatever the meat is, yes, a shake is fine. Always shoot for whole foods. But you're always better off getting the protein intake. And if that means you got to do it through a shake, that's better than not doing it.
- [103:13]
Sal Di Stefano
Yep.
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Sal
Those are your.
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Caller Jasmine
I just don't use protein powder.
- [103:16]
Sal
That's okay.
- [103:16]
Sal Di Stefano
That's fine.
- [103:17]
Sal
So that's fine.
- [103:18]
Caller Jasmine
Yeah. So the protein would come off of the yogurt.
- [103:22]
Sal Di Stefano
That's better. It's just when something's blended and you drink it, it produces less satiety than when you chew and eat something.
- [103:28]
Caller Jasmine
Okay.
- [103:28]
Sal Di Stefano
That's all.
- [103:29]
Sal
Yeah.
- [103:29]
Sal Di Stefano
But otherwise it's fine.
- [103:30]
Sal
Yeah. Yep.
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Caller Jasmine
So is 1890 like a good goal.
- [103:36]
Sal Di Stefano
I honestly don't care about your calories right now. I'd rather you hit 150 grams of protein come hell or high water, every day, day in and day out. Eat it first.
- [103:44]
Sal
Okay. Lift that program that we're going to send over to you. And the only other any bit of activity is walking and do that and.
- [103:51]
Sal Di Stefano
Anytime you want and then see if you can switch to a. Be able to scale down the tirzepatide. If your goal is to come off. I think it's a much. We don't have a lot of data yet around this, but just from the doctors that we know that work with patients, they're like, oh, yeah, when people come off, this strategy works a lot better. And then what it looks like sometimes is they scale down and, oh, I gotta bump up again a little bit. And then they scale down, oh, I gotta bump. And it's this nice process. Rather than like, boom, I'm off. And then suddenly, you know, it's like, oh, all the appetite's back.
- [104:20]
Sal
Yeah. Then you swing the other way.
- [104:21]
Caller Jasmine
Okay. Do you guys believe that the inbody is not accurate, but like it's gonna go off?
- [104:29]
Sal
It's a decent. It's a decent gauge. So let's say you decide that you have access to that on a regular basis. I might have you do that one Friday every. Every month and at the same time of the day. So like first thing in the morning before you eat, before. Before you drink, before you do anything on Friday. And you do that once a month. And that just cut. Just something we can check in to see. Are we building muscle, are we losing body fat to kind of help with the gauge? But even that I. I wouldn't overthink. I care more about the. All the rules that Sal gave you.
- [105:00]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
- [105:00]
Sal
If you consistently hit that protein intake, you eat the protein first, then you follow with the carbohydrates that we talked about. Don't even worry about calories. Literally follow what we're saying there. Hit that pro. Hit the program we were talking about. If you do any other activity, it's walking. We're going to be fine. We're going to be good.
- [105:17]
Sal Di Stefano
Lastly, Jasmine, I'm going to give you the secret to all of this. You ready? Okay, let me. I'm going to ask you a question first.
- [105:23]
Caller Jasmine
Okay.
- [105:23]
Sal Di Stefano
How are you feeling right now physically? Energy. Now that you've lost some, you've lost that weight, you're exercising, you're trying to watch her. How do you feel?
- [105:33]
Caller Jasmine
I feel good. I feel really good. I hated that. When I was at that weight, I would. I used to do loss prevention, and I would walk around the store one time and my back would hurt.
- [105:40]
Sal Di Stefano
Yes.
- [105:41]
Caller Jasmine
So I hated that. Now I feel good. I can. I could run if I wanted to. I would. I'm glad that you guys said walking.
- [105:48]
Sal Di Stefano
Is the answer.
- [105:52]
Caller Jasmine
But I feel great. It's just. I feel. I do feel a little bit of, like, the clothes fitting a little bit tight.
- [105:58]
Sal Di Stefano
But, Jasmine, if you focus on how you feel, energy, the joy, the enjoyment of the workout, strength, the strength. Like, oh, man, I had a great.
- [106:07]
Sal
I feel good.
- [106:08]
Sal Di Stefano
I got energy. I got. My libido's good. I feel like I don't have pain. If you keep focusing on that direction, then everything else will start to weave itself and organize itself underneath that. If the focus is my clothes and the scale, then it's gonna go haywire. So if you just keep thinking like, okay, oh, man, I'm not feeling so good. All right, what's going on? Like, okay, here's what's happening. You just keep focusing on feeling that energy, feeling good, enjoying the workouts. Like, that will direct you far better than anything else.
- [106:36]
Sal
Get strong, lift heavy weights. Think about that. That's why you're. While you're lifting. It's about, is this 5 more pounds than what I did, you know, the previous month? Like, that's. That's what you're thinking about.
- [106:46]
Caller Jasmine
Okay.
- [106:47]
Sal
All right, Sounds good.
- [106:48]
Caller Jasmine
All right, we'll do.
- [106:49]
Sal Di Stefano
You got it. Calling in.
- [106:50]
Caller Jasmine
Okay. Thank you so much for having me.
- [106:52]
Sal Di Stefano
You got it. You guys have sweetheart.
- [106:55]
Sal
Yeah.
- [106:55]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. Total sweetheart. I mean. Yeah, the thing with the preloaded and I think the pharma industry is going to change this. It's like.
- [107:03]
Justin Andrews
I hope so.
- [107:04]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, it's. I mean, maybe they won't, huh?
- [107:07]
Sal
Yeah, it's not in their interest because if you. If we don't get a hold of her, she thinks she has to go back to that. So it's in their best interest and.
- [107:14]
Sal Di Stefano
They just stay on it.
- [107:15]
Sal
Yeah.
- [107:15]
Sal Di Stefano
You know, forever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, she's. She's doing great, dude.
- [107:19]
Sal
No, she's doing.
- [107:20]
Sal Di Stefano
She's doing really great history and all that stuff. Stuff. I mean, she's doing really, really good.
- [107:24]
Sal
And I wouldn't be surprised. You know, she said she got stronger when she. When she came off the GLP1.
- [107:29]
Sal Di Stefano
Of course.
- [107:29]
Sal
I would not be surprised.
- [107:30]
Sal Di Stefano
I bet she was eating way too little.
- [107:31]
Sal
Yeah, I bet she was low calories. She had some muscle, so fueled it with calories. So even though. Even the weight that she put back on, I bet a lot of it wasn't as bad as she.
- [107:40]
Sal Di Stefano
And I just want to encourage somebody in her ear and I just want to encourage people. I mean this is impossible for everybody. But if you're gonna go on a GLP1 hire a coach at the same time time the odds of long term success program at least if you do both of those.
- [107:55]
Sal
Yeah well and also hiring that coach ask them do you have you or do you work with people?
- [108:00]
Sal Di Stefano
Of course.
- [108:01]
Sal
So of course.
- [108:01]
Sal Di Stefano
Look if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. We'll see what's at Mind Pump Media.
- [108:04]
Adam Schafer
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