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Sal DeStefano (3:56)

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Sal DeStefano (4:11)

Building muscle, one of the most important things you can do or target, target when it comes to your workouts, regardless of whether or not you want to lose fat or get bigger and stronger. Of course, building muscle helps all of those things. So we're going to talk about today the guaranteed ways that you can build muscle. How do you measure it? How do you make it happen? That's what we're going to talk about. Let's go.

Justin Andrews (4:31)

The guarantees.

Adam Schafer (4:32)

Yeah, yeah. Well, I think first and foremost is, is probably proper programming in relation to stress and everything else you have going on in your life and the, and proper programming in the sense of the most appropriate movements and exercise. I mean, I don't know where you're going as far as your first main tip with this, but that's the first thing that comes to mind for me is that.

Sal DeStefano (4:55)

Well, I agree.

Justin Andrews (4:56)

I mean, balanced recovery is a huge part of it.

Sal DeStefano (4:59)

And building muscle doesn't happen on accident. I think that's what we're kind of pointing to. Yeah, it's not like an accidental adaptation that happens. Let's be clear. Your body doesn't just want to build muscle. It's expensive tissue, requires more resources. It's functional tissue. So your body has to have a reason to want to add this expensive.

Adam Schafer (5:19)

Tissue and then it has to have a reason to keep it too.

Sal DeStefano (5:22)

That's right.

Adam Schafer (5:22)

So it's, it's, it'll, it'll go away.

Sal DeStefano (5:25)

Very quickly if you don't use it.

Adam Schafer (5:27)

I mean, I feel like when I, when I communicate to clients, it's the, the steps to doing it are simple yet hard. Right. So it's like there's, there, there's a handful of things, if we do properly that we will build muscle and it's relatively. But doing that and doing that consistently is the hard part.

Sal DeStefano (5:46)

Well, I think too, we also have to paint the right context when it comes to diet and sleep, because if diet and sleep are not appropriate for muscle building, it won't happen. So I know you mentioned programming. I think we should definitely talk about that. But if you're not getting good, if you're not getting adequate sleep, you're not going to build muscle. That's just not going to happen. It doesn't matter how great your workout programming is. If your sleep is crap, your body doesn't want to build muscle. And there's really interesting studies on this where just how much it limits you. I mean, there's a great study where they had groups of people on a calorie controlled restricted diet. Two groups, same diet, same everything, except one group had bad sleep, one group had good sleep. The bad sleep group lost so much muscle in comparison to the other group because poor sleep is just a terrible, it's an incredible stress on the body.

Justin Andrews (6:38)

Well, I really look at it as like you're engineering this environment like it's a bubble for creating muscle. So you have to, you have to look at it like I need to have adequate rest sleep in conjunction with what I stressed my body out with deliberately.

Adam Schafer (6:54)

Yeah, you say that though. So laissez faire or easy yet. This is an area where I think a lot of people get wrong, and I think it's important to talk about why they get that wrong, because if. How many times have you had a client or even yourself, maybe in earlier years where you got really poor sleep and then you had a hard workout and you felt so good.

Sal DeStefano (7:14)

Yeah.

Adam Schafer (7:15)

And so a lot of people will connect that feeling that they got from that cortisol spike from that hard workout and go like, oh, I feel so much now that I got that out. Oh, I feel. I feel so much better. Even though results will probably not follow because of the way they're going about it, but in their head, they're attached to that feeling they got from that workout, and then that becomes a cycle that's really tough for people to see or understand.

Sal DeStefano (7:42)

Stress hormones give you energy. That's why you have them. Your body produces or elevates stress hormones to give you energy when you're under a lot of stress and lack of sleep will do that. So it feels good initially to get that extra boost of cortisol. By the way, if you keep pushing that button, though, eventually you'll crash everything.

Adam Schafer (8:00)

Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (8:00)

And then you'll be so dead and so tired and so sick, essentially, you can't do anything. But a lot of people don't get themselves that far. But what they do is they confuse the fact that they're able to function with that they have adequate sleep for muscle growth. The human body is quite resilient when it comes to sleep. So. Meaning you can go about your day. You won't do a great job, but you can go about your day. And so many of us don't have. Are so suboptimal with our sleep so consistently that we don't realize that we're suboptimal and we're surviving on caffeine and stimulating.

Justin Andrews (8:34)

That feels like.

Sal DeStefano (8:35)

That's right. And so we think, oh, you know, I'm okay. You know, I get up, go to work, and, you know, I could do my. My things. It's not until I have an infant and I get, you know, three hours of sleep a night that I don't feel sleep deprived. So no, it's. There's an adequate. There's a. There's a. There's an amount of sleep that's essentially necessary to build any substantial muscle. And it's. It's like eight hours a night consistently. So that's one part of the picture. The second part is you have to eat adequately, so you can. This is how big of a deal this is. You could have great strength training and good sleep. If you eat too little, not only will you not build muscle, you'll actually get yourself to a point where you can have osteopenia or osteoporosis. And I've seen this where we have, you know, I've been with fitness experts where they were really consistent about the workout. They're really good with their sleep, but they had disordered eating and so they just ate too little. And they would, you know, get bone scans and the doctor's like, you're losing bone mass.

Adam Schafer (9:33)

How's that possible?

Sal DeStefano (9:34)

They lift weights. Well, you've been eating 1300 calories for years and years and years. Yeah. You have to feed yourself properly. Yeah. So that's just the building blocks. So you could, you could send all the blueprints and instructions to your body and your body could be ready with the workers to build this muscle. Just imagine you're building a house. You got your construction workers, you've got the blueprints and they're sitting around waiting for the bricks, mortar, two by fours and sheetrock and it doesn't arrive. You're not building anything. It's just not happening. So you have to feed yourself appropriately, otherwise you're not going to build anything.

Adam Schafer (10:06)

Everybody knows that strength training exercise is good for the body, but I don't think they all recognize that it's a stress. It's a good stress because of the, the change, the adaptation that it elicits, but it still accounts for stress. And if you have a bucket that you can only feel so much of stress up day and you, you're already stressed at work, stressed at home, you're not getting good sleep and then you're also stressing the body physically with this workout. It over spills and when it over spills, you're not going to see the results that you want to. And so I think that's where a lot of people go wrong because we attach exercises working out as a good thing or what A lot of people think it relieves my stress. Like I've got all this stress, but when I work out, that's the one. That's why I like to work out. In fact, I can't tell you how many times I hear that that's one of the main motivators to go train hard and exercise is because it makes me feel good about all the stress that I'm doing. But what they don't realize they're doing is they're, they're overfilling that and maybe they don't do it so chronically that health conditions happen, but they do it chronic enough that they're at a hard plateau, yet they think they're doing all the right things. It's like, man, I'm eating good. I'm making good food choices. I'm following a MAPS program. But then, yet I'm not seeing the results. I. I want to. And it's because that. That. That stress bucket is. Is overflowing.

Justin Andrews (11:24)

That's the conundrum, you know, with. With the stress hormone feeling.

Sal DeStefano (11:29)

And.

Justin Andrews (11:29)

And because it does provide you this jolt of energy. So to keep attributing that really hard workout with, then I finally get this energy boost that I needed throughout the day. And it's this perp where you're never really fully recovering. So you don't actually make progress and build, but at the same time, you're. You're chasing that feeling.

Adam Schafer (11:49)

It's. It's the hardest thing in the world to convince a client or a person who's attached that feeling. That's right, because super hard. I don't care how smart you are, how experienced you are, they know how they feel. And of all the stress and all the bullshit they have in their life, the one thing that seems to feel good and consistent is that. That dump of hormones from that. That hard workout that they just did. Am I to come in and be like, yeah, that's probably not a good idea for us?

Sal DeStefano (12:17)

Well, it can be even more than that, Adam. It could also just be an escape, you know, in a similar way to, like. Like, alcohol is a stress reliever.

Adam Schafer (12:24)

A lot of times it is, and.

Sal DeStefano (12:25)

It does in the temp, in the. In the short term, cause stress relief. But we know. And, you know, I'm using alcohol as an extreme example because I think everybody knows. Not a great way to relieve your stress consistently. Exercise can become a way to avoid feelings. It could be in a way to distract yourself. So you see this with people who chronically overtrain as they. They're like, oh, this is the one time of the day when I don't feel stressed. Why? Because you're in this state of pain and exhaustion, and it's a bit of an avoidant approach.

Adam Schafer (12:53)

That's training with detachment.

Sal DeStefano (12:54)

Yes. And you're also adding so much stress to your body physically, and you'll ignore it as long as you possibly can until you get hurt or until you get. You know, we used to call this adrenal fatigue back in the day. Now it's called something else. You know, HPA axis dysfunction, where Suddenly your hormones feel like they're just like, what's going on here? So, no, it needs to be appropriate stimulus. Now, the question that people have is, okay, well, if I'm eating adequately and I'm getting good sleep, how do I know that my program is building muscle? Besides the fact that you're actually building muscle, how do I know that I'm following the right program? Getting strong, getting stronger, sleeping well, getting stronger is the best way to objectively measure whether or not your program is going to be building muscle. It just is. If you're getting. This is especially true for the first three years of training. Later on, there are other ways to progressively overload. You can't get stronger forever. Right. There's limitations, and you can decouple strength gains from muscle gains at the advanced level. So when you get real advanced, then it's like intensity and volume. And there's other things you play with because like I said, you can't just perpetually get stronger forever. But for the first three years, maybe five years for some people, yeah, it's your best match. It's strength.

Justin Andrews (14:10)

Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (14:11)

So when you're going to the gym and you're adding two reps or a rep or five or ten pounds to the bar, your dumbbells are getting heavier. You're just feeling like you could perform the reps better. You're getting. You're building muscle. You just. Just know that that's the direction that you're going. And what it typically looks like just for people who are in this stage is you'll see strength, gain strength, gain strength, gain strength, gain strength, gain muscle. It doesn't typically. Look, they don't always work together. Oftentimes I'll have clients who are just getting stronger for a little while, and then suddenly, boom, three, four pounds of muscle pops on their body.

Adam Schafer (14:48)

Okay, I have some theories on that. What do you think are the main reasons why that a lot of times, that's the client who is doing a lot of the things correctly in regards to the programming, maybe sleep, all the other stuff they're doing, and their CNS is adapting good. And then they unlock the diet part where all of a sudden they get really consistent or they feed the body appropriate all of a sudden. Then you see this response.

Sal DeStefano (15:09)

Even if everything's locked in, though, I'm sure you guys experience this where everything's locked in, you're working out, and you. You get strong. And then it's like after two or three sessions of getting stronger, then you see the muscle.

Adam Schafer (15:18)

It's like the way a child grows. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like we all, we all think that they like incrementally grow. If you see the studies overnight sometimes. Yeah. The way it looks is you look at it in like a 90 day period and then all of a sudden there'll be an overnight 2 inch growth.

Sal DeStefano (15:31)

Yeah, good example.

Adam Schafer (15:32)

And so it's just. But yet it's like you're doing all these right things and then it doesn't scale, doesn't move, mirror doesn't really change much. But then all of a sudden something turns.

Sal DeStefano (15:39)

Yeah. The theory is that the, the central nervous system adaptations happen first. So that's like my, you know, the computer system that drives my muscle. Right. That tell, that gives it the signal to fire, that gets them to work.

Justin Andrews (15:51)

Together, communicates recruits and then fires, that adapts first.

Sal DeStefano (15:54)

So that's, those are the initial strength gains. But once it starts to exhaust that potential, then your body reaches a point where it goes, we need larger muscle fibers. Yeah. And then it goes into the muscle fibers. By the way, that's another, you know, hint that shows you that your body doesn't want to build muscle unless the environment is right for them. Right. So in fact it'll do everything it can to not build muscle because it is a big, that's a big investment.

Justin Andrews (16:19)

I go back to the environment thing. It's like, you know, that's why you have to do it for an elongated period of time because it's like, well, I live in this, you know, is what you're telling your body. It's not like, you know, a one off where it's like I'm stressed. Oh my God. I have to like, you know, have this strength at this moment. No, I have to have this strength continuously.

Sal DeStefano (16:37)

That's right.

Adam Schafer (16:38)

You know, this reminds me also of another conversation that we've had on here last night. Kyle and I did the webinar for all the people that purchased the mass programs this last month. And one of the questions that was asked was, you know, can I, can I continue still seeing results and not trained a failure? And I feel like that's also part of this problem is there's, we've seen the studies and the research that points to the benefits of training to failure. But the mistake that people make or don't realize is that these studies are done in these control groups where they control these people's diet and sleep and all these things. And it's like, oh, this group is not going to train to failure. This was going to train A failure. Oh, this group that trained to failure got this percent more whatever. And it's like, this isn't this perfect environment, which is not life. And so if you have these, if you are always trying to. Trying to insert training to failure because you've seen what the studies say about the benefits of more muscle gain, but you fail to realize the conversation that we just had about stress, then you just pour on even more stress than just the actual stress coming from the workout by training to failure. And so you can absolutely never train to failure and continually see progress. And I think that's a big myth. And in fact, the reason why we don't promote that way of training most times is not because I don't understand the benefits and not because I don't train to failure sometimes, but it's because most people haven't learned how to modify intensity properly. And you're better off kind of leaning towards a training toward 80% majority of the time than trying to insert training to failure when you don't know how.

Justin Andrews (18:13)

You have to have a real knowledge base before you stress the hinges to that degree to that intensity, because, yeah, you do have to know how to navigate through that and be able to apply adequate rest.

Sal DeStefano (18:24)

I'll give you my experience. I mean, I'm, you know, advanced in the sense that I've been doing this for so long. So personally, if I train to failure, here's the difference in volume, because you can't just train to failure. You gotta. You have to make up for that additional stress in other areas. So if I'm typically going to do nine sets for a muscle group in a workout, and then I decide to train to failure, I go from nine sets to one or two. So my volume went from nine sets intense, not failure, but intense down to two to failure. That's the way the workout looks now because I just went way more intense.

Adam Schafer (18:57)

Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (18:57)

But I dramatically reduced the volume.

Adam Schafer (18:59)

Not to mention, you're also. Which you're not communicating right now. You're also factoring in what is my last three days of sleep and nutrition. All of that too.

Sal DeStefano (19:07)

All of it.

Adam Schafer (19:08)

Because I already know that if you were to walk into your workout, say today, and your plan originally was, I'm going to failure today, I'm going to scale back these sets. I'm only going to do two, but I'm gonna go to failure. I bet that even changes. If you had two nights of poor sleep, you missed your protein intake. It's like you're not also gonna stress the hinges to Justin's point when you've just had a series of two or three days like that.

Sal DeStefano (19:30)

I think the best way to communicate this to people is you want to look at your workout as maybe 80, 90% of the time, what you're kind of doing is roosting, cruising.

Adam Schafer (19:41)

Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (19:42)

I mean, you're, you're consistent training. Yeah. You're. It's, you know, it's not coasting in the sense that you walk in, you don't feel anything, like you go and you work out. 10, 15% of the time is when you really push it. But most people, the opposite. Most people like 90% of the time.

Adam Schafer (19:56)

Pushing it when they're motivated when they first get started.

Sal DeStefano (19:58)

And then 10% of the time, they coast because their body's screaming.

Justin Andrews (20:01)

They're forced to.

Sal DeStefano (20:02)

Yes. And that is a recipe towards poor results. Better results happen when you kind of coast and then you do these little sprints. But getting stronger. I'm going to say this again. Getting stronger is the best way to continue to build muscle. And people are like, what do you mean? Stronger? One rep max? No, no, no. Stronger. So in your 10 rep sets, your 20 rep sets, your five rep sets.

Justin Andrews (20:25)

That'S your load increase.

Sal DeStefano (20:26)

You're just. Yeah, for the first few years at least, this is what you chase. This is when I had clients the first three years. This is all we did. Can I get you stronger? Especially at the big lifts, which is another thing I want to communicate is, you know, getting stronger at a barbell squat is going to give me way more muscle than getting stronger at a leg extension. Getting stronger at an overhead press can give me way more muscle than getting stronger at a lateral raise. And so that's the other thing, too. Where should I get stronger? Everything. Well, that would be nice, but why don't you just try to get stronger at the big compound lifts? Use the other ones to kind of touch up, you know, what's going on, and then watch what happens to your body.

Adam Schafer (21:00)

Well, and one of my favorite things that you've communicated on here before is the. What does that approach look like? And it looks like practice.

Sal DeStefano (21:08)

Yep.

Adam Schafer (21:08)

Versus going into a workout. Like a workout like, oh, I need to sweat, I need to get sore, I need to beat myself up. I need to feel it going that direction and going like, hey, I'm still learning this, this squat exercise. I'm still getting better at this, this deadlift movement. I'm still trying to perfect this overhead press. And so I'm gonna, I'm really. I care more about the movement of it. And getting good at the exercise than I care about. Did that go to failure? Did that really crush me? Did I sweat a lot? Did I burn a lot from it? And I think if a lot of people went into their workouts with that mentality of, okay, I'm going after practicing to get good at this movement, they would serve them, they would build the muscle, they would build the consistency. They would get all the things they'd want a lot easier than the effort they were putting in before.

Sal DeStefano (21:55)

All right, I'm going to change directions and talk a little bit about something that's much more on my radar. Now that we work with a partner that communicates the benefit of filtering the water you wash yourself with. So I've been drinking filtered water now forever. I think everybody in this room has. I know we all grew up drinking tap water and out of the hose.

Justin Andrews (22:16)

Oh, yeah.

Sal DeStefano (22:16)

But when you look at the amount of now chemicals and heavy metals that can be found in water.

Justin Andrews (22:22)

Birth control.

Sal DeStefano (22:23)

Yeah, that's. That's interesting. They will find. Yeah. What was it?

Adam Schafer (22:26)

What's the trace percentage of that? Now, you know, when you brought that.

Sal DeStefano (22:29)

Up, it's not a ton, but when you're drinking it and washing yourself with it, like, for years, will it play a role? I think so. I think you want to minimize your exposure to, you know, xenoestrogen stuff. Like, anyway, your skin is the largest organ on your body, and you do absorb things through your skin. And filtering the water you wash yourself with, it's probably pretty important. It's one of those things. And so we've had a filter for our kids for a while, but now that we work with Jolie, now we have the shower head. That's for adults, too. You got a filter. This.

Adam Schafer (23:01)

You talk about all the science part of it, but the pressure of it feels good.

Justin Andrews (23:05)

Feels the best.

Adam Schafer (23:08)

I'm good. I'm glad that it's better for us. I'm definitely glad it's better for us. But I put it on when I moved into this new place, and the. The. The. The head itself, as far as, like, the water pressure and the way it comes out is so much better than the one I had before.

Sal DeStefano (23:21)

Well, what's crazy is that they're. They test for certain things in tap water, but if they don't know to test for something, they. They won't. They can't necessarily. So not saying tap water is the worst. I think we have some of the best tap water in the world. Yeah. But some places actually not so great. This. It's Interesting for municipality to. To.

Adam Schafer (23:39)

Yeah.

Justin Andrews (23:39)

Like hard water. Like, is that just like, minerals. Excess amount of minerals.

Adam Schafer (23:44)

Right?

Justin Andrews (23:44)

Yeah, that's.

Sal DeStefano (23:45)

That's the. That's where. Yeah, that's where it's like leaves the white, you know, whatever crust on your shower.

Justin Andrews (23:50)

Yeah, I've been in, like, hotels that have that. And you feel that.

Sal DeStefano (23:53)

Yeah, dude.

Adam Schafer (23:54)

I mean, is there. Is there a difference from a water softener and then something like this? Are they doing the same?

Sal DeStefano (24:01)

Water softeners are just looking at getting rid of the minerals. So Jolie's shower head is a filter.

Adam Schafer (24:06)

Okay, good. Because I have both. I already have a water softener in the house. And then we've also put that on there. Weird question that I should know the answer to that. I'm. Put Doug on the spot. Maybe you can look for it. Because I Do I have to change the filter inside? Yes, I do.

Doug (24:19)

Yeah. Six months or so.

Adam Schafer (24:21)

Oh, I'm glad I asked that. I'm coming up on.

Justin Andrews (24:23)

Yeah, right.

Sal DeStefano (24:23)

It's a real filter.

Adam Schafer (24:24)

Okay.

Justin Andrews (24:25)

I got like.

Adam Schafer (24:25)

Oh, good to know. Because I wasn't sure. I know it's pretty easy to put together, which is really nice.

Sal DeStefano (24:30)

You know what's. So what's crazy about this is this. This is a big. This is actually starting to become, for me now my priority list, a larger concern. Where you want to look at your overall chemical load. Because we're so. We're exposed to a little bit here and there, but everywhere. Yeah, that. I mean, this is. You know, researchers will. Will speculate this may be one of the reasons why hormone imbalances are so becoming more common is because of our exposure to chemicals in the air. In the food that we eat. Our cooking ware, you know, packages. So, you know, perfumes, deodorants. It just. So here's a huge one. Air fryers. Have you guys seen the chemicals in air fryers?

Adam Schafer (25:16)

No.

Sal DeStefano (25:17)

It's the worst. No, no, they're the worst.

Justin Andrews (25:19)

No, I didn't. I'm just thankful we went with this other company, our place.

Sal DeStefano (25:24)

Oh, they have a chemical free.

Adam Schafer (25:26)

I haven't switched.

Justin Andrews (25:27)

Our other one died. The air fryer fryer. And so I looked to see if they had air fryers, and they have air fryers. And it's sick. It's like a really cool design.

Sal DeStefano (25:36)

Everything.

Justin Andrews (25:36)

But it's very.

Adam Schafer (25:38)

It's very.

Justin Andrews (25:38)

It's a lot more effective than the other one I had. It like, cooks it all the way through.

Sal DeStefano (25:42)

So we had an air fryer for a second. So I'm glad our place has one because they're the. They do all their stuff forever chemical free. So none of that stuff in there. I had an air fryer my wife and I looked up.

Adam Schafer (25:53)

I didn't know I was getting that, bro.

Sal DeStefano (25:54)

We looked up safe air fryers. They don't exist. Well, now our place has it. Yeah, but air fryers are the worst. What, bro, they're coated.

Justin Andrews (26:01)

Oh, I just knew we needed one. I'm so glad I didn't know.

Sal DeStefano (26:06)

Yeah, bro.

Adam Schafer (26:07)

Course, dude. Yeah, dude, I did not know that.

Sal DeStefano (26:10)

And it cooks at such high temperature.

Justin Andrews (26:12)

Between that and your candles, dude, I.

Adam Schafer (26:15)

Got rid of the candles, bro. Let go of the candles. Although I still do the logs, you know what I'm saying?

Sal DeStefano (26:20)

You do the chemical logs? Yeah. What are you doing, dude? Those are the worst, bro. The fake log.

Adam Schafer (26:26)

Well, find me a partner. Find me a partner logs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In the ass, dude. That's a pain in the ass.

Sal DeStefano (26:33)

Might be a long day.

Adam Schafer (26:34)

Just chop me some water.

Sal DeStefano (26:35)

Hey, how well would we do with a long spot?

Adam Schafer (26:38)

How well you think we're gonna do the face serum?

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (26:40)

Yeah.

Adam Schafer (26:40)

You know what I'm saying? I did not think we were gonna crush a face serum. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Apparently, a lot of people care about that stuff.

Sal DeStefano (26:47)

Log.

Adam Schafer (26:47)

So I've been sponsored by log.

Sal DeStefano (26:49)

Hold on. You're doing the composite, like, the legit fake?

Adam Schafer (26:52)

Yeah. Fire logs.

Doug (26:53)

Duraflame.

Adam Schafer (26:54)

Is that what it is? Oh, bro, come on.

Sal DeStefano (26:57)

What are you doing?

Adam Schafer (26:57)

Don't tell me it's, like, worse than that, is it?

Sal DeStefano (26:59)

That's the worst.

Matt (Caller from Texas) (27:00)

Yeah.

Doug (27:01)

It's probably not good for you.

Sal DeStefano (27:02)

Doug, look up. Let's have fun.

Adam Schafer (27:04)

It's going up into the chimney, dog.

Sal DeStefano (27:06)

No, you're.

Doug (27:06)

I want to mention this air fryer. It's kind of interesting. I don't have one. It has actually a thing where you can put some water in the top that will create some steam.

Adam Schafer (27:15)

The Our place one does.

Doug (27:16)

Yes. So apparently it helps with crisping things. And then, for example, bread and that type of thing.

Justin Andrews (27:21)

So easy to clean, too, in comparison, the other one, I had these little trays that pull out.

Adam Schafer (27:26)

So I don't even think that you.

Justin Andrews (27:27)

Guys got a message.

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (27:28)

I know.

Adam Schafer (27:29)

Check everything now.

Doug (27:30)

Yeah, everything is dangerous.

Sal DeStefano (27:32)

Chemical world, dude. Doug, look up the. Say, look at the chemicals and the fire logs.

Adam Schafer (27:37)

I just bought a whole other box right now.

Sal DeStefano (27:40)

Just wood, bro.

Adam Schafer (27:41)

I was burning a lot last night. Come on, tell me. Tell me so I can freak out about that now.

Sal DeStefano (27:45)

You know, generally, burning wood, there's. It'll create particulate Matters.

Adam Schafer (27:48)

Yeah, that's right. So let's.

Sal DeStefano (27:49)

But I, you know, I, I. We've been doing that for thousands of years.

Adam Schafer (27:52)

I thought it was. I thought it was just like compressed, like sawdust, colored flames.

Sal DeStefano (27:55)

No, bro, they had all kinds. How do you keep it compressed?

Adam Schafer (27:57)

Why, I'm sure there's some stuff.

Sal DeStefano (27:59)

Yeah.

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (27:59)

Wax.

Adam Schafer (28:00)

I don't know. Let's.

Doug (28:02)

So it's got like paraffin and stuff like that in it, but it does release chemicals, like everything. Polycyclic, aromatic hydrocarbons and formaldehyde.

Sal DeStefano (28:11)

Oh, that makes you feel.

Justin Andrews (28:12)

Oh, that's natural.

Adam Schafer (28:13)

Stupid.

Sal DeStefano (28:13)

That's why stup. I don't know.

Adam Schafer (28:17)

I said that I want to find. I, I want to, you know, we need to find. Okay.

Justin Andrews (28:21)

Syndrome.

Adam Schafer (28:21)

We need to find. No wonder you should find this. You're. You're the Google master here. So find me a list of, like, the most egregious things in the average household. That's what I want to see. So I can. So I can. So I can see where I know.

Sal DeStefano (28:34)

It'S a really bad.

Adam Schafer (28:34)

See where I'm okay with my cancer and see where I don't want.

Sal DeStefano (28:37)

You know what's a really bad one is receipts.

Adam Schafer (28:40)

Yeah, I know. I remember where. Max, you said that wax.

Sal DeStefano (28:44)

Crazy amount.

Adam Schafer (28:44)

Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (28:45)

Oh, yeah, dude. Absorb a ton.

Adam Schafer (28:46)

That's why I know keep.

Justin Andrews (28:47)

I always, like, hold it like this.

Adam Schafer (28:48)

And I'm like, I don't even take it. I would tell. No, no, keep the receipt. I don't want it. I don't need it.

Sal DeStefano (28:52)

I did the other day. I was at the. I was at the grocery store and I.

Adam Schafer (28:54)

Why do we, why do we even do receipts? We have the.

Sal DeStefano (28:56)

We.

Adam Schafer (28:56)

We don't. Nobody takes Chase. Nobody goes to the grocery store and pays check or cash anymore.

Sal DeStefano (29:00)

No.

Adam Schafer (29:01)

Okay, so there's tracking of everything.

Doug (29:03)

I got a list of big offenders. Okay, let's hear cleaning supplies.

Adam Schafer (29:06)

Okay, so I'm saying I'm all safe and organic there.

Sal DeStefano (29:09)

Okay.

Doug (29:09)

Fragrance products such as stupid.

Adam Schafer (29:11)

What?

Doug (29:12)

Fragrance products such as air fresheners, candles, laundry detergents.

Adam Schafer (29:15)

Gotten rid. I've gotten rid of that. And we go. We're all organic on the laundry stuff.

Doug (29:19)

Personal care items, shampoos, makeups, etc.

Adam Schafer (29:21)

Plastics, of course, hair. So I don't use it. I use. I use Caldera for my soap. Come on.

Doug (29:27)

One of the biggest ones and it's a challenging to get rid of. It's the materials in your furniture and things like that, like carpets and furniture.

Justin Andrews (29:36)

Right.

Adam Schafer (29:37)

I got mostly wood floors.

Sal DeStefano (29:38)

Yeah.

Adam Schafer (29:39)

Okay, so good here.

Doug (29:40)

A lot of off gassing comes from that.

Sal DeStefano (29:41)

Yeah.

Doug (29:42)

Mattresses can be a problem for sure. Those are the main ones on the list. Okay, But I'm sure there's more.

Adam Schafer (29:48)

Well, I mean, this could. Listen, make it there. Dirt flame didn't make it there. I mean, I feel like one. Everything is a chemical or puts off some sort of chemical. So calm the down.

Sal DeStefano (30:01)

Everything's a chemical. Don't give me that crap. Have you seen the ingredients in a banana?

Adam Schafer (30:05)

Well, eating molecules right now. Okay, listen. Okay, like, I don't know. No fear mongering going on here.

Doug (30:12)

So they have a list here by room, the stuff to watch out for. Okay, so your kitchen, non stick pans, number one, plastic containers, cleaning sprays, processed foods.

Adam Schafer (30:20)

Okay.

Doug (30:21)

Bathroom air fresheners, nail polish remover, et cetera. Nail polish, harsh cleaners, personal care products, living areas, furniture, particle boards, carpets, air fresheners, candles, paints, glues, laundry room dryer sheets, detergents and synthetic fragrances. Fragrances.

Adam Schafer (30:38)

We use those balls. Have you guys seen those? Those are cool.

Sal DeStefano (30:40)

Yeah. Oh, yeah, the little furry ones.

Adam Schafer (30:41)

Yeah, the reusable balls.

Sal DeStefano (30:43)

We don't even use.

Adam Schafer (30:43)

We don't even use those.

Sal DeStefano (30:45)

You put them in your dryer. Three balls.

Adam Schafer (30:46)

Yeah, you put them in your dryer. Have you ever seen those? No, they're re. They're. They're reusable. You can get like organic ones like that.

Sal DeStefano (30:52)

You guys remember magic markers? You guys smell those?

Doug (30:54)

Oh, yeah.

Justin Andrews (30:55)

Oh, yeah.

Doug (30:56)

Those brain cells are dying.

Sal DeStefano (30:57)

Oh, yeah.

Adam Schafer (31:00)

I feel pretty good. I'm checking most of the boxes.

Sal DeStefano (31:02)

You're good, dude.

Adam Schafer (31:03)

Yeah, I feel pretty good.

Sal DeStefano (31:03)

All right.

Adam Schafer (31:04)

You.

Katie Duke (31:04)

You.

Sal DeStefano (31:04)

You just gotta get rid of my.

Adam Schafer (31:05)

Heart with my Duraflame. Yeah, I mean, I would. So what I'd like to know, maybe Del, you can tell me is like if I compare the Duraflame to a regular log because I know they both are going to emit chemicals, bro, the smoke that's coming off the regular log is not good.

Doug (31:17)

No, but it's mostly going up the chimney. But the, you know, the.

Adam Schafer (31:20)

So is the other.

Sal DeStefano (31:21)

Oh, yeah.

Doug (31:21)

But the Duraflame has paraffin, which is a. A petroleum based product.

Adam Schafer (31:25)

So that's what happened was like marijuana and stuff like that.

Doug (31:28)

Yeah, Paraffin is like a wax that holds the thing together.

Adam Schafer (31:31)

Oh, okay. So it's like burning a candle.

Doug (31:33)

Well, yeah, a fake candle.

Sal DeStefano (31:35)

Yeah.

Doug (31:36)

If you were to get a beeswax, candle wouldn't be an issue.

Sal DeStefano (31:38)

Yeah, see? Stop trying to.

Adam Schafer (31:40)

Yeah, but it's not coming up in my house. Going right up the chimney, dude.

Doug (31:42)

Not All.

Adam Schafer (31:43)

And I'm not standing over going, not all of it.

Sal DeStefano (31:45)

Not all of it, huh?

Doug (31:47)

Not all of it.

Adam Schafer (31:47)

Yeah.

Doug (31:48)

Smoke's probably not good for either.

Adam Schafer (31:49)

Yeah, I mean, so that's what I mean. Like, if we were to compare, the.

Doug (31:52)

Burning petroleum is probably worse.

Sal DeStefano (31:54)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, it's like you got a car running in your living room.

Adam Schafer (31:57)

Yeah, it's not like that. The guy who had the ATV in his living room.

Sal DeStefano (32:03)

That's right. You did. Yeah. Dude, I forgot. Did you get rid of that?

Adam Schafer (32:07)

No, I still have it. I forgot about.

Sal DeStefano (32:08)

What do you do with your atv?

Adam Schafer (32:09)

It's up at the other house.

Sal DeStefano (32:10)

Yeah, yeah.

Adam Schafer (32:11)

So I keep it in the garage on a trickler charger.

Sal DeStefano (32:13)

You just don't want to get rid of it.

Adam Schafer (32:14)

I won't. That's, you know, it's so. You know, that's sentimental value to me.

Sal DeStefano (32:17)

Right? Yeah. Yeah.

Adam Schafer (32:17)

So as when I was. When I was fifth grade. Fifth grade, I went over to a friend's house and he lived on. He had property and his. We're only in like fifth grade. And his dad used to let his son and I take the quad out. And so that was. I mean, it was just. He would drive first because I didn't know how to drive when I was that young and. But I would. We would ride around all over the place on that. And then eventually I learned how to ride.

Sal DeStefano (32:41)

And so I feel like one day.

Adam Schafer (32:42)

Oh, I totally. Like what. Like, that was my definition of success was I could buy myself a quad. Like, that was like, literally, like I.

Justin Andrews (32:48)

Always thought about getting a jet ski.

Sal DeStefano (32:50)

Yeah.

Adam Schafer (32:54)

So, yeah, I'm very. I'm very partial to it. And. And the money I would get for it. I've also put a ton of money into it, so it's like really cool. And the money I get for is just like. It's insignificant to me. Yeah, the, like, the meaning to it is way more than that.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (33:10)

I get.

Adam Schafer (33:10)

So that's part of why I keep it.

Sal DeStefano (33:12)

Dude, I gotta tell you guys a funny story. It's so true. So Doug has a daughter, so he. He might. He'll understand. But there's these memes that show or like these little funny clips that show, like when, like with dads and daughters, like, if you give your son like, like, like a stern look versus if you give your daughter a stern look. Right. And I totally experienced this last night. My daughter was being. My little 3 year old was being a little. Just a little turkey, right. She's just acting up or whatever. And I gave her no like one tenth of a stern look. So there's a look that I can give my kids. Yeah. And I give it to my son. No problem. I gave her 1/10 of it. And she looked at me, she's like, oh, I'm sorry, honey. No, you're mean. You gave me a mean look. That's what she said.

Adam Schafer (33:57)

Dude, you either get that I was thinking about it or you get my. My goddaughter who learns to give it back. I've never seen dirtier looks. Oh, that's great.

Sal DeStefano (34:08)

Than this.

Adam Schafer (34:09)

This little five year old. Dude, she gives these. She's a scowl and they'll just look at you all side eye and crazy like. Oh my God, dude. Okay, I won't do anything. I won't do anything.

Sal DeStefano (34:18)

Wow.

Adam Schafer (34:19)

Your comment about. About me as your teenage daughter was maybe my favorite part of the, of the, the. The tenure, the delivery and the way Danny cut that was like so perfect.

Sal DeStefano (34:30)

Oh, so good. What a great time that was, you guys. What a great. We had our. For people that know we have. We have an annual Christmas party, but this was our 10 year anniversary and our editors cut. Put together a 20 minute basically video highlighting just the 10 years. Yeah. That we've had together.

Justin Andrews (34:49)

Highlights.

Sal DeStefano (34:49)

Yeah. How it started.

Adam Schafer (34:51)

It's live on YouTube now.

Sal DeStefano (34:52)

Just so you know, that one clip of us in your living room, that must have been one of the first. This had to be one of the first episodes.

Adam Schafer (34:58)

Yeah.

Justin Andrews (34:59)

I didn't realize you recorded still wearing my glasses back.

Doug (35:01)

I did, I guess. I mean, I have it, so.

Adam Schafer (35:04)

Yeah.

Doug (35:04)

I don't recall doing it.

Adam Schafer (35:05)

Yeah. Oh, there's. There was a lot in there that I don't recall recording at all.

Doug (35:10)

So I took a lot of shots on my phone and I just. I went back and found.

Sal DeStefano (35:15)

For blackmail purposes. Yeah. Yeah.

Doug (35:18)

So trust me, I have something I could use.

Adam Schafer (35:21)

Like a file of all that stuff. Like how did that even happen?

Doug (35:23)

So yeah, I created a Dropbox folder and just dumped all these different videos in. For example, like Sal shooting that last shot, you know, at the basketball court.

Sal DeStefano (35:31)

Evidence.

Adam Schafer (35:32)

I'm never gonna play again.

Sal DeStefano (35:34)

Yeah.

Doug (35:35)

All that stuff was just things I had shot randomly over the years. They made the cut.

Adam Schafer (35:42)

Well, what's crazy that you got like you said that you got the one inside the house, which is so cool because that is the original. Like.

Sal DeStefano (35:47)

Yeah.

Adam Schafer (35:48)

I mean we were only there for maybe the first 25 or 50 episodes. Maybe something like that.

Doug (35:52)

Yeah, we were there only for four months.

Adam Schafer (35:54)

Yeah. So. So maybe maybe 25, 50 episodes where we are there and, and I remember we are always like, we're never gonna record this. Like, we don't, we didn't think we'd ever be on camera. And so the fact that you've got that is kind of wild.

Justin Andrews (36:06)

You can tell by our outfits.

Sal DeStefano (36:07)

We, we definitely. I, so, so this is an interesting split too, because Doug and Justin aged well. You and I, bro, we went. What happened? We just accelerated the aging process. You don't say anything. These two guys are more handsome. No.

Adam Schafer (36:24)

100.

Sal DeStefano (36:25)

We went backwards.

Adam Schafer (36:26)

Yeah, well, I mean, Justin's got a glorious mustache. He's got a beautiful rack of teeth. Now he's more jacked. Yeah, that's what I'm competing with. You know what I'm saying? Like, I lost my hair.

Justin Andrews (36:38)

I mean, I started out as the fat guy dude. Of course I gotta get up from there.

Adam Schafer (36:42)

And then Doug's like, Benjamin Button over here.

Sal DeStefano (36:44)

What's going on? He's sucking the youth out of me or something. I'm looking at like, oh, my God.

Doug (36:50)

Why do you think I got wanted to work with younger guys?

Adam Schafer (36:57)

A lot of Factors. You ate 20 year old salad. You look like you ate him.

Sal DeStefano (37:03)

And it took age. It made me age faster.

Adam Schafer (37:05)

I, you know, I don't think that's.

Doug (37:06)

What made you age.

Adam Schafer (37:09)

I don't remember. I, I, I don't ever remember thinking that. I thought you looked small, but you look small in that in comparison. I mean, like, yeah, I don't ever feel like I remember being like, oh.

Justin Andrews (37:22)

Your voice is like way more deep.

Sal DeStefano (37:25)

All of our voice now. Yeah, Yeah.

Adam Schafer (37:27)

I think that's calmness.

Sal DeStefano (37:29)

You think so?

Adam Schafer (37:30)

Yeah, yeah.

Sal DeStefano (37:31)

I mean, we all, I think we're.

Adam Schafer (37:32)

All pretty clear of puberty. So don't think that puberty did happen. I think that what you hear is what nerves. Yes, yes, interesting. That's my opinion on it.

Sal DeStefano (37:41)

I mean, so our voices got higher. So we were like, yeah, I think possible talked faster.

Adam Schafer (37:46)

I think we swore more.

Sal DeStefano (37:47)

We did.

Adam Schafer (37:47)

And we, and we, we talked in a higher pitch because of the nerves.

Doug (37:50)

I was using a different recorder back then too, so maybe some effect.

Sal DeStefano (37:54)

I'll tell you some of my favorite moments at the, the anniversary party. One, Josh, after that video was done, whatever, Josh comes up and he was, he was crying. Josh, one of our editors. And it just, boy, just really touched me. Yeah. At one point my wife met some of her, she hasn't, she doesn't know all of our trainers, so she's, you know, meeting people and Will goes up to her and he goes, I've been Listening to these guys since I was 14. Like, oh, my God, since we're 14.

Justin Andrews (38:21)

And now he's working for us.

Sal DeStefano (38:23)

Now he's working for us. Like, those are formidable years to be listening to, you know?

Adam Schafer (38:27)

Oh, I think that's the only way that the training department works without us having to train ourselves every day. The people like you would before is that indirectly they've been trained by us.

Sal DeStefano (38:42)

For years because they listen.

Adam Schafer (38:44)

Because they listen so much. So they. They have. They have the philosophy and they have learned all that which I got. I would have. 19, 20 would have loved to had a podcast that I listened to like this, because I think I would have been a way better trainer than what I was in my. So I think that' what we're also feeling is that we've got this opportunity to get these trainers who were already listening and learning before they even met us personally. And so. And then, of course, Kyle's incredible with. You know, he's been in a great leader and. And keeping that going and. And taking care of all.

Sal DeStefano (39:18)

It's seeing all those old clips, too. It's been a long time, but it doesn't feel like it. No, it's gone by any.

Adam Schafer (39:26)

Any memory seeing there that was like, extra nostalgic for any of you guys.

Sal DeStefano (39:30)

Oh, gosh. You know, I mean, not that I forgot about this because I always think about this, but to see clips of us building programs together.

Adam Schafer (39:40)

Yeah. Yeah, I agree.

Justin Andrews (39:41)

Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (39:41)

I mean, those were such great memories where we just get together and just write a new program, especially when we didn't have a lot of them, so we had to really think of new concepts and stuff.

Adam Schafer (39:50)

It was also us really learning. I mean, we somewhat knew each other and we're getting to know each other on the podcast early on, but as far as our expertise as trainers, trainer brains are. It's so different, too.

Sal DeStefano (40:03)

Yes.

Adam Schafer (40:03)

Like. And so to think that to get.

Justin Andrews (40:05)

We don't express that as much on the podcast.

Adam Schafer (40:08)

No. Yeah, we don't.

Justin Andrews (40:09)

We don't dive in yet unless you come in person and we're just talking about personal training exclusively. Yeah, you don't really get a lot of that from us.

Adam Schafer (40:16)

So we're very, very different in a lot of different ways. And so to see that come to. And it actually work, because you would think you put three trainers with very different approaches and philosophies of training in the same room to create the single program. You would think there would be all kinds of dysfunction. And there was, like, arguing, but healthy arguing.

Justin Andrews (40:37)

Yeah, but it always made A better product at the end.

Adam Schafer (40:39)

That's the thing.

Sal DeStefano (40:40)

A couple things that happened, too, that were funny. So I had a lot of my friends from church that were there. And of course, there's old clips of me smoking a joint. Justin's telling a story.

Adam Schafer (40:48)

Favorite transition. I know. What a great transition.

Sal DeStefano (40:52)

And Justin's talking about, we ate mushrooms.

Adam Schafer (40:54)

Yeah.

Justin Andrews (40:57)

Actually, I was. I was like, oh, man, I should have told the one where, like, you were trophy.

Sal DeStefano (41:01)

Yes.

Justin Andrews (41:02)

And I was so mad. I was like, I told the wrong mushroom story.

Sal DeStefano (41:05)

I told them that story. Yeah, I told them that story.

Adam Schafer (41:07)

Okay.

Sal DeStefano (41:08)

But there was that. And at one point, I had a T shirt on that was a quick clip, and it wasn't the focus, but the T shirt on it said Darwin. And I'm like, no way.

Adam Schafer (41:16)

I didn't even see all that. Yeah, I didn't even see that.

Justin Andrews (41:19)

That was interesting because he. Like, in the beginning with you with that shirt on.

Adam Schafer (41:23)

No way. I missed that.

Sal DeStefano (41:24)

Oh, yeah.

Adam Schafer (41:24)

Oh, I can't wait to go back and watch.

Sal DeStefano (41:26)

And so I told. I mean, because they know that I was a hardcore atheist. I said, you guys know how like a hardcore of an atheist it was? Yep. You were rocking a hardware shirt that said.

Adam Schafer (41:33)

I don't even remember that.

Sal DeStefano (41:34)

Yeah.

Adam Schafer (41:35)

What clip was that? Do you remember? I didn't catch it either. I didn't catch that either shirt.

Sal DeStefano (41:40)

That's the fish, but it has feet and it says.

Adam Schafer (41:42)

No, I'm very familiar with the Darwin sign. You know what I'm saying, that people put in the back of their car. You know, I'm very. But even. What. So what was the clip where you.

Sal DeStefano (41:48)

I don't remember what we were doing. It was a very. It was a brief clip, and it was. That wasn't the focus. We were just talking.

Adam Schafer (41:53)

No, of course it was a focus, but I didn't even catch it. Oh, wow. Interesting.

Sal DeStefano (41:57)

Yeah.

Adam Schafer (41:57)

That's so great.

Sal DeStefano (41:58)

That was a good time. My wife wanted me to make an announcement. By the way, she cut in line. So she's so funny. She's like, everybody's mad at me. Like, nobody cares.

Adam Schafer (42:05)

Everybody.

Sal DeStefano (42:05)

She cut in line. When? At the drink, to get drinks. So she cut in line. So she comes back and then. And then Vicki comes back. She's like, you know, you cut in line in front everybody.

Adam Schafer (42:12)

Oh, Vicki called her out.

Sal DeStefano (42:14)

Mortified. Jessica's mortified. She's like, I just cut in front of him. People now think just because I'm your wife, I can cut in front. I'm like, no, honey, no.

Adam Schafer (42:22)

She came To Katrina. Katrina, who cares? You're the boss's wife.

Sal DeStefano (42:27)

Keep cutting it later.

Adam Schafer (42:29)

Just tell him you're the boss's wife.

Sal DeStefano (42:30)

She wanted me to get on, apologize.

Adam Schafer (42:32)

Oh, my God. Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (42:32)

She's like, make sure you apologize for me. Nobody cares, babe. Don't worry about it.

Adam Schafer (42:36)

Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (42:38)

Hey, I was watching her yesterday. I took some pictures. She was playing. We went to the. To the store. So we're doing the fig and eagle thing, right? That course for the. So Jessica and I met with Scott separately, and they've got some great coaching stuff. And he told us something that I thought was really smart. He said, anytime you're gonna give your kids something, attach a responsibility to it. And he said, because oftentimes people. Parents will give their kids things like a treat or TV time, or we'll go to the store and buy you a toy. He goes, that's a great opportunity to attach a responsibility to it. Otherwise, you run the risk of them becoming entitled. But also, it's a great way to develop responsibilities. So her and I are like, oh, that's brilliant. So anytime they want a treat, I'll attach, like, clean this up or do that to kind of build responsibility. Well, anyway, we went to the store yesterday, and I'm like, let's try it out. So I was like, hey, you guys, we're gonna go upstairs, and I'll let you guys pick a toy that's under 20 bucks, but then you have to do some work for it. So that's what we did. So we picked out a toy. Anyway, long story short, my son picks a tank. He's like this military tank with stuff. So we come home, and then we have him read a bunch of books for him, which he does, which is really cool. So then Jessica's playing tanks. The tank with him. And I'm watching her play a boy game, and I'm just, dude, it is hilarious. It's all dialogue.

Adam Schafer (43:56)

Hey, Katrina already, like, she. Katrina defers right away. She's like, whenever he wants to do, like, something like that, she goes, I can't. I can't do it, bro.

Sal DeStefano (44:04)

It was all dialogue. I'm like, he doesn't care.

Justin Andrews (44:09)

Back to the explosion noises every time. Like. Like, men are just better.

Sal DeStefano (44:13)

They can't. This was my wife's missile noise.

Justin Andrews (44:16)

Courtney knows, too.

Sal DeStefano (44:17)

Yeah. He's like, oh, mama. He's on, Mom, I'm sorry. I'm shooting missiles at the monster. She's all.

Adam Schafer (44:24)

I'll get. I'll get a call from upstairs. Come down here, please.

Sal DeStefano (44:28)

But it was all Dialogue. Hey, what are you doing? Like, the soldiers talking. Oh, who are we fighting today?

Adam Schafer (44:33)

Like, they're sitting down, having tea.

Sal DeStefano (44:34)

Can you be on my team? I'm like, babe, way too much dialogue. Get to blowing things up.

Justin Andrews (44:39)

Why are we even fighting? Let's have lunch.

Sal DeStefano (44:42)

Can we be on the same team?

Adam Schafer (44:43)

You know that that tip is very similar to the tip that I gave a while back. Very similar. And it's worked with magic with. With Max, which is instead of saying no about, say, a treat or no to say maybe watching TV or no is like. Is always practicing, like, yeah, you can. After you do this thing. And so that's been, like, just awesome.

Sal DeStefano (45:03)

So great.

Adam Schafer (45:03)

It's like, instead of just being the hard no all the time about, you can't do this thing. It's like, yeah, you can. But first, Bubba, you need to get upstairs and go clean your room. After you clean your room, then we can do that thing.

Sal DeStefano (45:13)

Or I'll tell you something else that was brilliant. Is speaking identity into your kids before bed. And so what it looks like, because a child will develop their identity, even teenage kids will start to develop an identity because you speak it into them. And so what it looks like is before bed, I'll sit with my son. And we have a list of them. And it's like, you are brave, you are smart, you are courageous. You are a blessing to this family. Or you are a blessing to everybody who knows you. And so I'm going through these, and he repeats, and instead of saying you, he says, I. And you can see it just light him up. And I even did this with my niece.

Justin Andrews (45:48)

Affirmations.

Sal DeStefano (45:49)

I even did with my niece, who's 18. I went in a room and did this. And you can be doing it every night. I have this little thing that I put on her on her door. Yeah. And we'll read it together. And you can just see that it just builds.

Adam Schafer (45:59)

Oh, I'm gonna have to add that I told you guys, was it off air or was it on air? When I talked about what I would do with him every night now, now, what was it? Okay, so I know. I thought I talked to you guys. Maybe if I apologize, if I brought on the podcast, but it's been now over a month that we've been doing this consistently. And it's totally. I, I had to bring this up because I brought up one. One minute manager. It's like a page out of that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So every night you did. I, I. All the things he did, I find. I find One thing that he did that day that I was proud of, and I just commend that. And even last night, like, I want to make sure it was sinking in. And so we were. We were actually reading in our bed with him and I. And I was telling him something about something really well. And then when we went back and when I tucked him into his bed, I said, hey, what did. What did daddy tell you? That I was pregnant. And then he repeated, right. I'm like, okay, good. It's like sinking in. And so that has been just an awesome thing. So I love that because I'm already. I can easily pair it with that because I'm already doing it, by the way.

Sal DeStefano (46:54)

It's how powerful it is. And I'm sure you guys know this. When you're a kid and you hear something repeated about yourself, it starts to become your identity. Like, oh, oh, you know, he's smart, or, oh, he gets challenged with these things, or he's the athletic one or whatever. And there may be some truth in that, but then it starts to become a part of your identity. So you can actually speak these.

Adam Schafer (47:12)

Yes.

Sal DeStefano (47:12)

So to give you guys an example of the power of it, my niece who's now living with us, she's very shy. She's very shy, but she's also very growth minded. And so one of the things I say to her is, you are growth minded. And I also say you are very fun to be around. And the reason why I say that is because she's shy. Saying that you're growth minded and you're fun to be around, I think will make her feel more courageous to go and talk with people and be around people. So awesome.

Adam Schafer (47:37)

No, it's a, it's a. It's a very power. And it's. I mean, listen, I know as a parent how easily we can get busy and the routine and like, get into. I mean, it's. Katrina and I had to come together and agree that this is a practice that we're gonna work on. And we, like a lot of times when she's going upstairs, I'm like, hey, I. I wasn't with him as much as you were. Do you have a thing you're gonna tell him? And she'll be, yeah, I got it. Or she'll be like, cool. Do you. And so it an accountability thing for each other to just remember to do that. And I mean, we're only 30 days in of. Of doing that. Like, I can't wait to see what happens when we've been doing this consistently. For a year.

Sal DeStefano (48:10)

You know how long it takes to make a. A habit with a. With a kid? 60 over 62 days.

Adam Schafer (48:15)

Yeah.

Justin Andrews (48:16)

Okay.

Sal DeStefano (48:16)

Which is another thing that I learned because you got to stay at something for a while. Yeah. Which is longer than you think.

Adam Schafer (48:23)

Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (48:23)

Because sometimes, like, it's not working and you got to stick with it for a little while before it becomes a habit.

Adam Schafer (48:27)

Anyway.

Sal DeStefano (48:28)

Doug, can you look something up for me? Did you guys hear about those crypto scammers that got. Got hit by organized crime bosses? No.

Justin Andrews (48:38)

No, no.

Sal DeStefano (48:39)

There was a husband and wife. Doug, look up husband and wife killed in crypto scam or something like that.

Adam Schafer (48:46)

Oh, dude, they scammed some mafia people.

Sal DeStefano (48:49)

They scammed a lot of very wealthy people, and they were flaunting their vacations and how much money they had, all sorts of stuff and I guess they got. I want to see how they were found. I think they were like very. I think they were very alive.

Adam Schafer (49:03)

Why Doug is looking this up, I don't help me wrap my brain around this. That because for all the crypto people that push it so hard and talk about how it's our future and all the things why so many people can scam and steal and mine, it's supposed to be so safe.

Sal DeStefano (49:20)

I think they made their own coin, but I don't know. I'm not quite sure because I. I've.

Adam Schafer (49:24)

I've heard of story after story like this of people.

Justin Andrews (49:27)

Right.

Adam Schafer (49:27)

Scamming people out of. Out of their crypto or stealing their crypto. And I'm like, I thought this is bad.

Justin Andrews (49:33)

And now you want the government involved?

Adam Schafer (49:35)

Doug, looks, you're the biggest gangster.

Sal DeStefano (49:37)

Gangsters. What does that say, Doug? About. About what happened to them.

Doug (49:40)

Yeah. So it's a couple. They.

Adam Schafer (49:44)

Yeah.

Doug (49:44)

So they were forced to watch each other be tortured. Tortured. And then they were buried in the desert.

Sal DeStefano (49:50)

Oh, damn.

Doug (49:51)

I believe they were living in. In UAE at the time.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (49:54)

Yeah, I.

Doug (49:55)

Actually, there's another article I want to take a look at.

Sal DeStefano (49:57)

It's a little more clear. Yeah.

Doug (49:59)

Okay. So this is kind of breaking it down.

Justin Andrews (50:00)

Oh, that's grim.

Doug (50:01)

So, yeah, Roman Novak and his wife, Anna Novak were kidnapped, tortured and murdered in the UAE in 2025. 500 million dollar cryptocurrency scam.

Adam Schafer (50:12)

500 million?

Sal DeStefano (50:13)

Yeah.

Doug (50:13)

They were found dismembered, wrapped in plastic in a remote location in the uae.

Justin Andrews (50:19)

Consequences.

Adam Schafer (50:20)

The amount of greed, too, for you to go to. I bet you know, something like that, you get away with 5, 10 million, you probably are fine. But because you just.

Sal DeStefano (50:28)

Just the greed, you Rip off.

Adam Schafer (50:30)

Yeah, big players. That's what I mean. You, you, you. You figure out a way to manipulate and win and steal, which is horrible. A couple million from people like that, you probably get away, but you get greedy and you keep going and then you start getting bigger fish.

Justin Andrews (50:43)

You're always looking over your shoulder.

Adam Schafer (50:45)

You get the wrong people with money. Have.

Justin Andrews (50:47)

You know, they have networks.

Doug (50:49)

This is kind of interesting. So they were reportedly lured into a rented villa in the town in the guise of meeting potential investors for their new business ventures. They were then tortured for access to their crypto wallet credentials. When the assailants reportedly found the wallets were empty, they murdered the couple.

Sal DeStefano (51:09)

Oh, boy.

Adam Schafer (51:10)

So now where's that 500 million? Like somewhere on the, on the blockchain.

Sal DeStefano (51:14)

Gone.

Doug (51:15)

Probably gone.

Sal DeStefano (51:16)

Probably gone.

Adam Schafer (51:16)

Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (51:17)

But this couple was like super out there flaunting it, posting on social media. I mean, they really put themselves out there.

Adam Schafer (51:23)

Oh, wow. Goodness. Have you guys. Have you guys. Has anyone watched the. The Puff Daddy?

Justin Andrews (51:28)

No, dude, no. Just like, listen, that's our error.

Adam Schafer (51:33)

You. You have to. It uncovers all the Tupac Diddy there. I thought I watched every documentary on that new stuff.

Justin Andrews (51:40)

Sweet.

Adam Schafer (51:40)

Oh, yes.

Justin Andrews (51:41)

Was there. There's like two out because one's definitely from 50 cent.

Adam Schafer (51:44)

The fit one for 50 cent is the one that's the tell all.

Sal DeStefano (51:46)

Yeah.

Adam Schafer (51:47)

And the.

Justin Andrews (51:47)

That's on Netflix.

Sal DeStefano (51:48)

So what's up with 50s? You just hate them. 50 cents, bro.

Adam Schafer (51:51)

I am.

Justin Andrews (51:51)

He's been keeping receipts.

Adam Schafer (51:53)

Yes. He.

Justin Andrews (51:54)

He was aware of. Of Puff Daddy for a long time and I think he's just been collecting until, you know, he had enough to very, very few.

Adam Schafer (52:02)

He did exactly what he did. Was. He. He's. He had been. He knew about it like many people in the industry did. Just everybody was afraid of him. I mean, his. The fact that, that he's responsible for so many murders and deaths and he had so much power to get. The amount of things that he got away with that I was unaware of is crazy. So. And. And it just. After you see all of it, it's the whole Biggie, Tupac, all that's all clear. Clear as day.

Sal DeStefano (52:28)

So he for sure did all that?

Adam Schafer (52:29)

Yeah, like, not him personally. Like, he.

Sal DeStefano (52:31)

He ordered it.

Adam Schafer (52:32)

He ordered it. He had it happen.

Sal DeStefano (52:34)

And like, and, and Biggie too.

Adam Schafer (52:35)

Yes.

Sal DeStefano (52:36)

Oh, wow.

Adam Schafer (52:37)

He all. He ushered biggies to his death like the. Without ruining the whole thing. Because there's a lot to this and I know I won't share too much for the audience that will go watch it, but there, There's a. There's a part in. And I know you guys, we all grew up in this. So you remember when that was the height of that beef and Tupac had already had already been shot the first time when he got shot. Right. And. And they knew that it was the. They knew it was some tied back to the east coast guys and everything like that. And Puffy and, and what you. I didn't realize I saw so much footage of Tupac and Biggie and how what close of friends they actually were. They were tight. They were like real tight. Like before Biggie was big. Tupac used to let him open up to all his shows. Oh and so they were boys and Biggie didn't want nothing to do with this beef that was. That was getting heightened. And Puff takes Biggie to do a. After the. After the murder of Tupac and basically everybody on the west coast is saying don't you dare step foot in East Coast. He decides he's going to go to. To west coast to launch Biggie's next album that's coming. Which is Life After Death, which wasn't named Life After Death at this point because he hadn't died yet. Takes him out there. He's. They. They do a whole music thing with I think source or what that half the people. Okay. This is when everybody loves him but knows that Tupacs is killed and they're responsible. Are booing them on. On stage because you're. You're in la. Of all the places to be. Okay. On the West Coast. Remember that right after. Yes. Oh they. They like you could tell they were unwanted there. Biggie was on a flight to go to London the next day and that his. Their manager had set up. They had been working on this for years. He was going to be the first rapper in the United States to basically do a press run in the U. In the uk. He was excited to go. He wanted to go. He wanted nothing to do with this beef. He was scared to be in la. And. And Puffy shut it down and says no no, no, he's staying here. We're going to throw a party in their backyard. And so they threw a party in in in in Down.

Sal DeStefano (54:34)

Created the environment for him to go a hundred percent. Wow.

Adam Schafer (54:37)

And that's the night he got shot in the car as soon as he. He went out.

Sal DeStefano (54:40)

Wow.

Adam Schafer (54:41)

Yeah dude. Yeah. So there's way more to it. But it's like the amount and all the gross stuff. Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (54:46)

Yeah.

Adam Schafer (54:47)

I so I had a baby oil. I was so tired from the party. The Next day, and Max went over to his. His aunt's house, Katrina's sister, to decorate the tree and do their. They do a traditional thing where they. They do. They make cookies all day long together and stuff like that. And so she had a day on the couch.

Sal DeStefano (55:04)

Yeah, y.

Adam Schafer (55:05)

On the couch. And Katrina and I were like. We were supposed to do a drive and all stuff that. She's like, what do you feel like? I'm like, honestly, like, I'm gonna. I'm gonna melt in this couch today. And she's just like, I'm with you. Let's like. And it's just us. And we're like, I haven't, like, binge watched television like that in, like, so long, but I felt so gross all day the rest of the day. Like, I woke up still. Like, I gotta get that. Like, it was so. I mean, it sucked me in so bad that I. I binged the whole thing. But then the. The feeling of afterwards of like, not now that I know all the stuff, like, just. Just disgusting. Like, such a evil, bad person.

Sal DeStefano (55:41)

Dude, I want to hear about Justin the Campbell Soup.

Justin Andrews (55:45)

Oh, you don't hear about that.

Sal DeStefano (55:46)

I read about it.

Justin Andrews (55:47)

Hot mic. Yeah. So I don't know who was recording him or, like, how this kind of came out, but basically he was recorded. So this is the CEO of Campbell Soups and was like, he was talking about it like, you know, his customers. He was talking trash about his customers being like, you know, I don't even know who buys this stuff. Like, talking about them being like, you know, poor trash and all this stuff and. Yeah, yeah. Like, really, really bad stuff to where it's like, there's no way he could come back from this because, like, if it's out and, like, people know, you know, he said this about his own customer base. Like, just.

Adam Schafer (56:29)

They had to.

Sal DeStefano (56:30)

Yes.

Justin Andrews (56:30)

Yeah.

Adam Schafer (56:31)

They ax him right away. Yeah. I don't know.

Justin Andrews (56:33)

The follow up, that was like, can.

Sal DeStefano (56:34)

You see what he. What he said? What?

Adam Schafer (56:36)

And this was a while ago.

Justin Andrews (56:37)

I put that in there.

Doug (56:38)

So.

Adam Schafer (56:39)

I mean, I bet you they already. They had to. If he's just a CEO, he's not even a founder, just a CEO. You. You like that guy?

Sal DeStefano (56:45)

The lack of integrity. For somebody to represent a company that they don't believe in.

Justin Andrews (56:49)

Yes.

Sal DeStefano (56:49)

That's the.

Justin Andrews (56:50)

That was the biggest thing. Like, yeah, he doesn't even believe in his product.

Adam Schafer (56:53)

I would. I know that happens how. It's probably more common than it is not.

Sal DeStefano (56:57)

I couldn't do it.

Adam Schafer (56:58)

It.

Sal DeStefano (56:58)

I could not work for a company That I did not believe in most. It would be impossible.

Adam Schafer (57:02)

These CEOs that come into a situation like that. It's purely a dollar thing. It's how much am I going to get paid? Looking at the P. Ls realizing what I can cut costs.

Justin Andrews (57:11)

I wonder if he was brought in from the outside and then probably what it say there?

Doug (57:15)

They called it for poor people.

Justin Andrews (57:18)

For poor people, yeah.

Doug (57:19)

Yeah. So he was fired.

Adam Schafer (57:20)

Yeah. Okay.

Justin Andrews (57:22)

Yeah, hopefully.

Adam Schafer (57:24)

I see that. I bet you he was a. A. He wasn't a founder. He was somebody who's brought in like many big companies that size. Isn't Campbell's owned by a bigger corporation?

Doug (57:34)

I'm not sure, but they were. They're like probably 100 plus year old company.

Adam Schafer (57:38)

Yeah. They've been around forever. Aren't they in one of Warren Buffett's portfolios? I think he's got them in like Kraft and all. Those are all Campbell, I think are all.

Justin Andrews (57:46)

So that's a major fail.

Adam Schafer (57:47)

Joseph A. Campbell. Isn't he. Is there more about him?

Doug (57:50)

I don't know.

Justin Andrews (57:51)

Let me see.

Sal DeStefano (57:51)

I don't think. Is that the founder of Campbell?

Doug (57:53)

Yeah, he is the founder of Campbell.

Adam Schafer (57:55)

Wait, isn't there something.

Sal DeStefano (57:55)

Well, hold on.

Doug (57:56)

Make sure it's soup.

Sal DeStefano (57:57)

No, I don't think that's soup, dude. I think we. That's another guy.

Adam Schafer (58:01)

That is another.

Doug (58:02)

Yeah, it's Jason. Joseph Campbell.

Sal DeStefano (58:04)

Yeah. Okay. All right.

Justin Andrews (58:07)

Not the hero with the 1902 faces.

Adam Schafer (58:09)

Oh, isn't that.

Justin Andrews (58:10)

That's a. Yeah, yeah. Joseph Campbell.

Adam Schafer (58:12)

Isn't that Joseph Campbell?

Doug (58:14)

Maybe a different one.

Justin Andrews (58:16)

That's a. Yeah, it's an author.

Adam Schafer (58:17)

I know who you're talking about.

Justin Andrews (58:18)

He's like. Yeah, he talks a lot about like myths and legends.

Sal DeStefano (58:21)

Heroes. Journey.

Justin Andrews (58:22)

Hero's journey.

Adam Schafer (58:23)

Yes, that's who I thought.

Justin Andrews (58:25)

No, but I was gonna say too, there's another big fail of like a company which. This one's a little more amusing. So Waymo, the automatic cars, like, so I think it was in New York, but had a massive fail. Like there was a standoff, like a live action standoff between, you know, the cops and this potential. I don't know if they're robbing a car or whatever, but like came out and that, like guns were pulled and everything. And you see this Waymo, like stop it at this corner and they're right at the corner and it just stops at the light and then starts turning right into it. It's just basically driving right through an active shooting.

Adam Schafer (59:04)

Standoff in the back seat.

Sal DeStefano (59:05)

Yeah. Oh, God.

Adam Schafer (59:06)

Dude, could you Imagine didn't think about that when we got the AI.

Justin Andrews (59:10)

Like, ooh, what's happening here? Yeah.

Adam Schafer (59:12)

Oh, wow. Yeah, that's an interesting.

Sal DeStefano (59:14)

Imagine being in the back of the car.

Adam Schafer (59:15)

Well, think about that. It's like you're. When you're. They're programming all this stuff, it's like, well, what happens happens when there's like a shootout.

Justin Andrews (59:20)

They didn't anticipate that. Like they're going to have to figure that out. Like if there's, you know, police, they must have to like, like integrate the scanning or something to like they going.

Adam Schafer (59:29)

To have to have some shut off, like a shut off thing or like that's so. Okay, talking about AI. Since we've been talking so much about it. We got a chance. I got a chance. Or Kyle and I met this guy at the school event when we went there and it was a really good conversation. I mean his whole. He's been an AI his like his whole life. And so I was talking about the dead Internet theory and like what are your thoughts on all that? And he's actually really hopeful and positive that we're just in this weird transition right now and it's actually going to swing really hard back the other way. It says production. So he's like, right now there's not a lot of guardrails on it and it's kind of the wild, wild west. And there's. Everybody's using all these AI tools. And he goes, we're already seeing it and feeling it like this, like raw, authentic, real getting back to people is already starting to trend. And he goes, and people are caring less and less about the artificial intelligence already.

Sal DeStefano (60:27)

My whole feed on some of my social media.

Justin Andrews (60:31)

Optimistic.

Adam Schafer (60:32)

Yeah. No. And from somebody who's in it.

Sal DeStefano (60:33)

Right.

Adam Schafer (60:34)

And that's. He makes his money teaching others.

Sal DeStefano (60:35)

I could see that. So when I.

Adam Schafer (60:37)

So could I.

Sal DeStefano (60:37)

Because when I go through on my feed, ads will pop up and every ad now is AI. There are. Every single ad is a. I can tell it's AI Even the video. I can tell it's AI which at some point we won't be able to.

Justin Andrews (60:49)

It's not indistinguishable. Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (60:50)

Because it's so cheap. You can make ads super cheap with AI. So it's. And it's all over the place. So at some point I think people are going to want to know something's real, which I don't know how they're going to do that because.

Adam Schafer (61:01)

Well, I think it's going to be. I actually think like established, less Produced less. I mean, even so Josh. So our team, right? So when we. When we shoot content, our team puts it all together, and we were all in, like, stations. And when I was with Josh, the stuff that he said, I want you to shoot is like, I want you to start with your phone. And like, like, like, so people see you holding your phone and then put it down, and then I just want you to. No script, no nothing.

Sal DeStefano (61:28)

Here's my. My point with this, Adam, is that you're not going to be able to tell. The AI will be able to make it look not produced in real, is my point. My point is that you're not gonna be able to tell. The only way. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but the only way will be if ads have people that people already know are real, established people. You know, I'm saying, like, okay, I know who that is. That person's been around for a while, because new ads.

Adam Schafer (61:52)

Well, I think that's. That's the point I'm making is why, okay, we're already established as real, right?

Sal DeStefano (61:56)

Well, so that may work in some, like, our favor.

Adam Schafer (61:58)

That's what I mean. And then that's why he was going that direction is like, this will make ever. This is. I mean, they'll know you're on a ramp. That fumbling with your words, you're just like. He's like, I don't want any. Like, here's. I'm just gonna give you a thing that I want you to talk about and then just go. And then I'm like, okay. And so it is. It's like that. It's me holding it. Then you see me set the phone down, and then I go. Go on a rant or whatever he. He tells me about or, like, what.

Sal DeStefano (62:17)

He wants me to talk about. Yeah.

Adam Schafer (62:19)

And again, everything off the cuff, I think it's. It's the. The point of it again. And why that's trending is because we're getting away from less and less produced. Even people that are already known. Okay. It's like they're making it look less produced. They're making it look less produced for that reason. Because it's like, people don't. They don't want to question it. So if we get fancier, more edited, they might question. They may go like, oh, is that really Adam? I mean, I had somebody I was commenting back and forth with on Instagram, and they're like, is this really you? I'm like, of course it's me. Like, it's my instagram like I don't have anybody like so that, I mean that's what people are already starting to do that.

Justin Andrews (62:52)

I get that because you. You do get that from other people that are marketers especially where you'll DM them and then they'll, you know, respond to you as themselves. It's not the them.

Sal DeStefano (63:01)

Yeah.

Justin Andrews (63:01)

You know and so there's that in like impersonal feeling you get from that.

Adam Schafer (63:06)

It was just. It was good to hear it from somebody who's in the industry that like teaches other people how to like and go like. And I'm telling him that that was my thing. He's like, nah, he's like we're going to go. And you see some companies already putting the guard rails on. Like you know what a YouTube came out and did. Right. So you made it to where artificially intelligent platforms cannot produce. Monetize. They can't monetize. And so it's only a matter of time where these were when if it starts to really dominate and go the dead Internet theory or way. I think that you'll start to see guardrails from the platforms. I think the platforms will come out.

Sal DeStefano (63:36)

And be like they will, but they'll be.

Adam Schafer (63:38)

What they'll do is they'll. They'll suppress the AI stuff and then this. And I'm sure they'll be able to put.

Sal DeStefano (63:42)

I agree.

Adam Schafer (63:43)

They'll be. You'll be able. We can already tell like they have the software and the capabilities we the average. I will not be able to tell if it's AI generated. But you. You cannot tell me.

Sal DeStefano (63:50)

We can't have AI detector.

Adam Schafer (63:52)

That's right. They'll have AI detecting AI and then they'll suppress that content and authentic content.

Sal DeStefano (63:56)

You'll have AI platforms. I think you'll have a competing YouTube with just AI content and then we'll see what people pick.

Justin Andrews (64:01)

And the government will have the ultimate.

Sal DeStefano (64:03)

Version of it that looks the arbitrators.

Justin Andrews (64:06)

Of truth never know.

Sal DeStefano (64:07)

Don't worry if it has a seal of the government. It's true. You guys can believe it. Believe everything we say.

Justin Andrews (64:12)

Not trust any politician videos.

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Doug (64:40)

Our first caller is Matt. Matt from New Hampshire.

Sal DeStefano (64:43)

Matt, what's happening?

Adam Schafer (64:44)

What's going on, Matt?

Justin Andrews (64:44)

What's happening, Matt?

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (64:45)

Hey guys, thank you so much for having me on. I really appreciate it. You guys have honestly, over the last four or five years I've been listening to you. You've really changed my life. I can. Um, so I'll get to my question. To keep it short, how do I put together a group workout that doesn't suck? Um, I'm a full time firefighter. You guys recently inspired me to get my NASM CPT to help me give the skills and bring a better fitness culture to the fire departments in my area. Um, workouts as a group. In my experience just over the years, being full time has really been the only way that I found most effective to get people actually moving together consistently. So just looking to see what I can do to help those be more effective and not be, you know, your typical sucky ones.

Adam Schafer (65:36)

There's, there's two ways I would do this. So I'm curious to how the guys, if they agree or not. Either one, it would be heavily mobility focused. So it would be very similar to, and this is what I've encouraged a lot of trainers that do teach classes is to watch the Prime Pro webinar I did, which is about a 50 minute video where I warm them up before we start with body weight squats just so they can see and feel their movement. Then I take them through a series of mobility movements and then they squat at the end and can really feel the difference of their movement. So that's one way I would do a group class. The other way I would do a group class is focused on a single movement the entire hour. So in other words, it would be a combination of priming and mobility to get everybody's bodies ready to squat. And we're all gonna, we're gonna squat today day and we're going to do combat stretch 90 90s, prime the body, go through a couple practice movements, then load the ball like it would be all around a movement. And I'm taking my time kind of watching everybody and everybody's doing it. That's how I would do a class. Now I would not do what I did when I was in my 20s, which is, you know, battle ropes and dumbbells and jump ropes and sprints and a bunch of circuit.

Sal DeStefano (66:53)

Matt, you're to be clear, this is, These are firefighters you're working with?

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (66:57)

Yes.

Sal DeStefano (66:58)

Okay. And, and this is not mandatory. For them. They're showing up because they want to do it.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (67:03)

Yeah, exactly. So my goal is to, you know, start putting on monthly, just free group classes, traveling around to area departments.

Sal DeStefano (67:11)

Okay. And. And now I. I've had a lot of friends that were firefighters, and they're all pretty active. Most firefighters work out. They have a fitness routine. I think you would make a mistake trying to work them out in a group class. I think a mobility class would be the most valuable possible thing you could give them, and they would keep coming back for more because it would make them feel better with their normal workouts, with all the stuff that they're doing. They'll feel better in their joints, they'll move better, it'll improve their strength. I think it should be zero workout, all mobility and correctional, and that's. People are going to show up for that.

Adam Schafer (67:47)

How many. How many guys typically? And how big is the workout space or gym you're using? That matters too, because I could. I could think of some other creative things.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (67:56)

Yeah, it's going to vary wildly. I. I mean, it's. And what. At my own department? I mean, if.

Sal DeStefano (68:01)

If we have.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (68:03)

If I get my whole shift in the firehouse, it's, you know, five of us, and we have a. We have a pretty decent space, whether it be out in the apparatus bay, or we do have a decent gym as well. But if I'm able to actually start bringing this to other departments, it's going to vary entirely on. On what they have and who they have.

Adam Schafer (68:19)

Yeah, because if you. If you have had all the major equipment, right. Squat rack, bench press, a barbell row, something to deadlift, then I could see pairing guys up in stations, and it's like, that's what I was gonna suggest. You. You do. You do. Yeah. You do three sets here, and then this. These guys. These two guys are doing three, and they're alternating, and that's building the rest period right there. So they have rest periods between each other.

Justin Andrews (68:42)

Yeah, you buddy them up. So at least you have accountability with one, you know, sort of checking form. And then you could kind of, you know, cruise around and at least, like, see how they're. At least the guy watching, you know, specifically, and what to do. But that, I mean, that's kind of how I had to handle, like, big, bigger groups of. Of kids when I was training for football. But you'd keep the. The stations. It was very simple. It's like we're all doing bench, we're all doing squat. You know, we're all doing, like, the Main lifts. And then, you know, sometimes I would group them in fours, too. So that way, it's like you have this, you know, group over here, and I kind of have, like, a leader in there I can count on. And so it. It's just a way to kind of at least, you know, give yourself more eyes.

Sal DeStefano (69:27)

I'm going to keep pushing mobility because I know you guys get tested. You have to maintain a certain level of physicality, stamina, strength, whatever. Unless the issue you're trying to address are firefighters who aren't consistent with their exercise. But I would bet that if you focused on mobility, because a lot of these guys are working out, a lot of these people are working out on their own anyway, that if you focused on mobility, that they would keep coming back because they would do it. They would feel good. Oh, my God. And it'll just. It'll just improve all the other stuff they do on their own.

Adam Schafer (70:02)

I mean, in a perfect world, they do the mobility class with you, and then you recommend, like, maps 15 to them.

Sal DeStefano (70:07)

That's it.

Adam Schafer (70:08)

And then they. On their own during the week, it's like, here's your workout. This is what you do for the week. You need to get these two. These two exercises in every day, day. Then when you see me for that hour, I'm going to take you through a full mobility session. And that would. That would be a great prescription right there.

Sal DeStefano (70:21)

That.

Adam Schafer (70:21)

That's it.

Justin Andrews (70:22)

And if they're confused with that, maybe that's where you step in.

Adam Schafer (70:24)

You.

Justin Andrews (70:24)

You can at least have one day where you're teaching them these major lifts so that they can apply them correctly, you know, on their own, doing the Mass 15 style. But I agree with Sal, like, the most valuable thing you could possibly do is, is, you know, take them through those.

Sal DeStefano (70:39)

I just think you'll have. You'll just have people showing up for it.

Adam Schafer (70:41)

That's a great feel showing up. That's a great way to kind of do this also is like, you have this Mob, and maybe one, like, 10 minutes of the hour or 15 minutes. I'm focusing on just teaching the technique to some of these lifts because I've heard from feedback from the guys, like, oh, man, my shoulder's bothering me when I bench, or something like that. And so maybe what I do is I go 40 minutes of, like, mobility, and then I'm like, hey, today, you guys, I wanted to spend a little bit of time with you, really addressing technique around bench press. And then like, in that day, and then you set them on their way, and then Like a couple weeks go by and you're like hearing some guys going, man, my low back is driving me crazy. When I deadlifted. What am I doing it wrong? Hey, guys, today at the end of our mobility session, I'm going to go get into this, show some deadlift techniques. And so you're really sending them off on their own to do the. The real strength training, like a Maps 15 protocol. You're doing a lot of the mobility work, and then you're only. And then saving the time at the end of the hour to address what you're hearing from the feedback of that, of that fire station. And it's going to be unique to each one. Like, some guys. Guys are gonna maybe be dealing with different pain or different techniques.

Sal DeStefano (71:45)

And if you're. You're traveling around, you're gonna be visiting like a station once a week, once every other week. What does that frequency look like?

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (71:54)

Yeah, so honestly, I. I haven't been able to get this up off the ground yet. So it's just very early stages. So I have no idea what this frequency is going to be. I mean, ideally, I'd love for it to be a relatively frequent thing, but, yeah, I'm still working on getting that.

Sal DeStefano (72:09)

I think if you. So here's the thing with mobility. You feel it right away. Like you do a workout. Okay. I don't know, it was hard. I sweat, you know, that was fun. But you do mobility right afterwards, people, oh, my gosh, I feel so much better. Can you come back again next week? It's the. It's an immediate value.

Adam Schafer (72:26)

I mean, if you're connected to all these fire stations, I mean, there's a business right here waiting to happen. I mean, and I don't know what you call yourself, like, you know, the fitness coordinator for all fire stations. Right. And what I do is I come into your station and the extinguisher.

Sal DeStefano (72:41)

Stupid.

Adam Schafer (72:44)

That's a terrible name. That's a terrible name to listen to. Just trying to think something else. But that. That's another bad name. Okay, I know, Matthew, you'll come up with a better name than these guys. But my point is you.

Sal DeStefano (72:58)

You.

Adam Schafer (72:58)

You pitch this as you're only gonna. You're only paying for me to come in one day a week. But what I'm gonna do is map out these guys entire month of fitness, and I'm come in and check in and we one once a week. That way you can manage five, six different stations potentially in a week. And you're coming in that day and that day Is like Sal saying it's mobility focused with the last 10 to 20 minutes of like addressing the concerns of the previous week. Like, how's everybody feeling? How's everybody going? How. How's the Maps 15 program going? How's everybody feel on the techniques? And like, maybe everybody's all good and everybody's like, awesome, no problems. And then all you do is mobility and keep them on track. But you're going to probably have some that are just like, man, my low back bothers me every time I deadlift for my shoulders. And then you use that time to address those concerns to teach around that. And that's all you're doing is kind of coming in once a week and guiding.

Sal DeStefano (73:45)

Do you have Prime Pro map maps?

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (73:48)

I do actually, yeah. I have prime and Prime Pro Performance and GLP1 from when I was going through my own weight loss journey.

Sal DeStefano (73:55)

Yeah. So the use. Use Prime Pro and Prime and put together a good 45 minute mobility routine. I think that would be.

Adam Schafer (74:02)

Have you seen the webinar? I did a long time ago. Did you ever watch that webinar?

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (74:06)

I haven't seen the webinar yet.

Adam Schafer (74:07)

Okay, so watch that. Literally steal it.

Justin Andrews (74:10)

Like that's the perfect class because I.

Adam Schafer (74:12)

Teach the cues and the most important part is how I'm cueing the camera. Watch that. Like literally rip right off of that and use that. Like that's a perfect 45, 50 minute mobility classic from head to toe. I dress the major movements. You can put a little spin on it yourself, but watch.

Sal DeStefano (74:27)

Why?

Adam Schafer (74:27)

I already made it. So use that as your, your guide. And then again, I would just leave a little bit of room to address what's going on the weekend. Then use. If you don't. Do you have math 15 yet?

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (74:39)

I don't have maps.

Adam Schafer (74:40)

Okay, so we'll send mass 15 to you. So use that. Use that as your staple program for these guys. Yeah, these guys are crazy stupid.

Sal DeStefano (74:48)

What you call backdraft mobility only fire movie we know.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (74:54)

That's awesome. Thank you guys so much. I really appreciate this. This went a completely different direction actually than I expected. And I've been listening to you guys a long time. I thought I kind of already had an idea and you guys really surprised me on this. I appreciate it.

Adam Schafer (75:06)

Well, if you actually implement it, I want you to call back in and let us know. One, how's it going? Two, what you named it?

Sal DeStefano (75:13)

Awesome. Very curious.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (75:16)

All right, thank you guys. Happy holidays.

Adam Schafer (75:18)

See ya.

Sal DeStefano (75:19)

Yeah, the important thing to consider is the demographics. Traffic and, and firefighters, they tend to Work out. They all get tested. They all be. So yeah, if you're showing up to give them a workout, there's some value there. But you show up, show mobility, they're going to ask you back.

Adam Schafer (75:33)

Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (75:33)

They're going to want you to come back. You're going to feel good right out the gate.

Adam Schafer (75:35)

Yeah.

Justin Andrews (75:36)

It's just selling them on it.

Sal DeStefano (75:37)

Oh, yeah.

Justin Andrews (75:37)

Well, that manly dudes. They're like.

Adam Schafer (75:40)

I'd be interested to see, like, I have no idea what his relationship is with all these people. Like, hopefully he. He has that kind of respect because I imagine most firehouses kind of have their.

Justin Andrews (75:52)

They're gonna give them.

Adam Schafer (75:54)

Yeah, yeah. Yes, dude. Kind of have their own thing. Like a lot of guys do CrossFit or a lot of guys listen to the show and do their own.

Justin Andrews (76:00)

This is the best for them, though.

Sal DeStefano (76:01)

100.

Adam Schafer (76:01)

But that would be. I mean, if he could.

Sal DeStefano (76:03)

One class.

Adam Schafer (76:04)

Hey, if he could sell that and that be a thing like one, it would be really inexpensive to only have to pay for him once, once a week to come in. And he's laying every stop.

Sal DeStefano (76:18)

These names are horrible.

Justin Andrews (76:19)

Keeps coming.

Sal DeStefano (76:20)

Horrible. I'm just picturing the classes just training like crazy.

Adam Schafer (76:23)

It's amazing. We came up with mine.

Sal DeStefano (76:24)

Justin's walking around. You feel the burn with a fire, dude.

Doug (76:31)

Our next caller is John from Australia.

Sal DeStefano (76:33)

What's up, John?

Adam Schafer (76:33)

How you doing, John?

Justin Andrews (76:34)

What's happening?

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (76:35)

Hey, fellas. How you going?

Adam Schafer (76:36)

Good. How you doing?

Sal DeStefano (76:37)

Good, man.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (76:37)

Not too bad. This is pretty weird, but here we are.

Sal DeStefano (76:40)

How can we help you?

Adam Schafer (76:41)

It's weird for us too, bro.

Justin Andrews (76:42)

Yeah, yeah. We're all digital.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (76:44)

I'll just read off a quick little thing I've got. I won't go for too long here, but I've been listening for about seven years now. I just wanted to say a huge thank you for all the information you guys continue to give out free. I have well and truly drunk the Kool Aid. I've bought an eight sleep. I've got an I drink element every day. Always stuck. Stocked up on Paleo Valley meat sticks and I got a juv light as well.

Sal DeStefano (77:09)

Well, nice.

Adam Schafer (77:10)

Let's go. Let's go.

Justin Andrews (77:11)

Getting it.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (77:11)

Yeah, I'm a slot for it.

Adam Schafer (77:15)

What else can we got other sponsors? What else can we sell you, John? He did.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (77:22)

I might have. Yeah. Unfortunately, they don't sell magic spin in Australia. That's the only one I'm filthy about.

Justin Andrews (77:28)

That's all right.

Sal DeStefano (77:28)

We're done with that.

Adam Schafer (77:29)

Thanks.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (77:32)

So all of these things have made a huge difference in my health and fitness. I would like to thank you guys for all your wisdom. It's truly helped me improve my quality of life tenfold fold. Now that being said, there is one piece of advice in the whole seven years I think has been the most helpful. And I have to thank Adam specifically for this. Your dishwasher stack.

Adam Schafer (77:53)

Still rang.

Justin Andrews (77:55)

I'm putting this on his tombstone.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (77:57)

Yeah, save me so much time. I'll never stack a dishwasher the same again. But I'll get to my question. So I recently got a blood test tests and uploaded the results to Chat GPT. So it gave me a protocol of supplementation to follow each day. But I wanted to know if you guys could foresee any issues with that.

Adam Schafer (78:17)

Well, there's definitely issues with Chat GBT that.

Sal DeStefano (78:20)

Wait, hold on.

Adam Schafer (78:21)

You're.

Sal DeStefano (78:21)

You're comparing Chat GBD to three personal trainers for your blood test.

Adam Schafer (78:27)

So, so just the thing that I want I, before we even get into what it said and all stuff like that, just be careful. I mean we've been going down this kind of AI rabbit hole and so, and I brought up, I don't know if you heard on the show, my brother in law was, was asking Chat GBT questions regarding like the dangers of taking hormone replacement therapy and all this stuff. And it was me who actually recommended for him to get on it because he had very low tests and was causing all these other side effects and problems. And the way he prompted Chat GBT is like can HRT be dangerous? And because the way he prompted it, it, it gave him like this whole host of things that looked really scary, I could turn right back around forces your bias. And what I had to explain to him was like, and because he's like I'm getting off this, this is terrible. I'm like, you're an idiot. It's not terrible. You're not, you're, you're better and you're healthier by having healthy hormones. I said now prompt it like this. How dangerous is it for a male my age to have low testosterone? And what are all the potential side effects? And then a whole list of all bad. And so it's like how you prompt this thing can really determine how it feeds back to you that information. So I would just caution you with that because you, you could sit, you could literally just tweak a couple ways of how you set that prompt up and it give you a whole host of different answers.

Sal DeStefano (79:42)

So, all right, so let's, let's talk about the blood test and the, and what it said. What did it tell you.

Adam Schafer (79:48)

Should we. Should we get the blood test first and see if you would recommend similar?

Sal DeStefano (79:50)

Yeah, well, let's see.

Adam Schafer (79:51)

Don't tell us.

Sal DeStefano (79:53)

I mean, I don't know.

Justin Andrews (79:54)

Let's see if we give better advice.

Sal DeStefano (79:56)

Do you have the results, Doug? Did he send them to us?

Doug (79:58)

I don't have them.

Sal DeStefano (80:00)

What are the supplements that recommended to you?

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (80:03)

So I asked, I suppose, down to the prompting. Right. I asked a daily supplementation to improve energy. And just like that. That kind of thing. So the morning, it was like morning, afternoon and night. Morning was stuff I'm kind of already taking was like creatine CoQ10.

Sal DeStefano (80:20)

Yep.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (80:21)

And some other stuff I'm just trying to remember. The middle of the day was like a B vitamin complex, which is obviously helping with that as well. And then the night time was like magnesium glycinate and some other things to kind of help, you know, calm the nervous system, I suppose. So it was like a daily kind of thing. But overall it said, like, your results are great, blah, blah, blah. But again, I wondered if that's just chatgpt, you know?

Sal DeStefano (80:45)

Yeah. It gave you. It gave you a pretty general protocol.

Justin Andrews (80:47)

It's pretty general.

Adam Schafer (80:48)

General, yeah.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (80:48)

Pretty general. Yeah. Exactly. Right. But it was interesting because I do jiu jitsu as well, and, like, I had a sore neck and I was taking some, like, Voltaren. Do you guys have that?

Sal DeStefano (80:57)

Yeah, I know what that is.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (80:58)

Yeah, it's like. Yeah. And then in the. In, like, the bottom line, it said, this is all really good. However, just be careful that you're taking, like, NSAIDs. Is that what you call them?

Sal DeStefano (81:08)

Yep.

Adam Schafer (81:09)

Yeah.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (81:10)

Yeah. And I detected that. And I hadn't taken that for like a week and a half, so it was still in my system. And it still picked that up as well.

Sal DeStefano (81:16)

Well, it picked it up from your blood test.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (81:19)

Yeah, because I didn't put anything in there saying that I had that.

Sal DeStefano (81:22)

What would your blood test show that you were taking? Ibuprofen. Because that's what it's gotten. It.

Adam Schafer (81:26)

Yeah.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (81:27)

Yeah, exactly. I don't know. So, like, when I did the blood test, I got six pages of data, and obviously, I don't really know what I'm looking at.

Sal DeStefano (81:33)

Okay.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (81:34)

So that's why I punched into CHAT GPT to, like, you wouldn't process at all.

Sal DeStefano (81:38)

So my question for you is, because you would not know that you were taking an NSAID based off of a blood test test. There's no way to know that unless you had kidney issue, liver issue, in which case it could be A lot of different things. The question I have is how often do you use chat gbt? Because they're very. They remember the things you like. You could ask your ChatGPT. It'll guess things about you based off of previous conversations searches. If it see if you're searching things for Jiu jitsu and fitness and your web searches it could very. It'll know if you're using something or not. Because I don't know of any blood test that doesn't specifically test for NSAID or let's say kidney or liver function which you would have been flagged. Your blood test would have come back with liver enzymes or kidney function. But also typically NSAIDs aren't the first thing that people look at. It's something else nonetheless that would be very strange for it to say. Oh I know you're taking.

Adam Schafer (82:35)

Do you know if you watching you dude. Do you know if you've inputted that. Did you input.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (82:42)

I may have input some stuff for Jiu Jitsu asking best techniques for shorter strong guy.

Sal DeStefano (82:50)

Because it'll guess things about you. You can watch people say hey, who am I? And how many kids in it knows all these different things. What does that say? Doug?

Doug (82:58)

Yes. Some blood tests actually can detect NSAIDs.

Sal DeStefano (83:01)

Keep going into what they're looking for.

Doug (83:04)

Measure the concentration of specific NSAIDs like Nax Proxen or ibuprofen in the body.

Sal DeStefano (83:09)

Yeah, that's what I thought. So unless you specifically got tested for NSAIDs, non steroidal anti inflammatories, your blood test wouldn't show that. So. Yeah.

Adam Schafer (83:20)

Altered liver enzymes, blood loss.

Sal DeStefano (83:22)

Yeah.

Adam Schafer (83:23)

Yeah. Directly. Okay. Huh.

Sal DeStefano (83:25)

You have to test directly. But Voltaren is a. It's a topical.

Adam Schafer (83:28)

Justin's right. Chat GBT's listening and following you, bro.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (83:32)

Yeah, I don't doubt that. I use it. I use it for work. I'm a high school history teacher, so. So I often find it's wrong with stuff. Like it actually gets really specific things wrong.

Sal DeStefano (83:42)

Yeah.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (83:42)

So that's why I wondered like is it getting this kind of stuff wrong?

Adam Schafer (83:45)

I mean the supplements. Supplements advice is general.

Sal DeStefano (83:47)

Very general.

Adam Schafer (83:48)

Yeah. That's good.

Sal DeStefano (83:49)

Yeah. No no blood tests like that's the.

Justin Andrews (83:51)

Typical stick surface with it. Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (83:53)

And what is what it recommend? Is nothing wrong with it. Yeah, yeah. It's all.

Adam Schafer (83:56)

It's all good stuff. Yeah. That's all good stuff and would help. But yeah. I would just caution. But you already know. You've already seen it screw up in your own field. And that's why I caution people. People that that was the first red flag for me when my brother in law did that. I was like, oh, that's terrible advice. And it was the opposite of what I gave him. And I know that's wrong, but I.

Sal DeStefano (84:14)

I use an AI and I. And I never put in my name. I never put anything said, do you know who I am? And it knew everything.

Justin Andrews (84:21)

Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (84:22)

And it was all based off my questions or something. So really weird.

Adam Schafer (84:25)

Yeah.

Justin Andrews (84:25)

It stores a lot of information for sure.

Adam Schafer (84:29)

So.

Sal DeStefano (84:29)

Yeah. Yeah.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (84:30)

Can I hit you with one question?

Adam Schafer (84:32)

Yeah. It's shirt.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (84:33)

When you guys come to Australia when.

Sal DeStefano (84:36)

You guys don't have any more spiders.

Adam Schafer (84:38)

Spiders Too big, bro.

Sal DeStefano (84:38)

They're big. I heard that they're more inland though, right?

Justin Andrews (84:42)

If you're on the coast, it's not too bad.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (84:44)

I heard you guys say that the other day about the. The spider with the rat.

Adam Schafer (84:47)

Yes.

Sal DeStefano (84:47)

Yeah.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (84:48)

Like I've never seen that in my life. If you stick to the cities, you'll be fine.

Adam Schafer (84:52)

You could google that dog.

Sal DeStefano (84:55)

Yeah.

Justin Andrews (84:55)

Just photoshopped.

Adam Schafer (84:56)

Or like Google Australia. Spider carrying around. You come up through the TW toilet.

Sal DeStefano (85:02)

That's. Everything's poisonous over there. Even the koala bears. Don't they have gonorrhea? I heard they have.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (85:06)

They actually do. Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (85:10)

Oh, Justin found out.

Adam Schafer (85:11)

Justin found out. We know. We have. We have a good listenership out there and we've always wanted to make it out there.

Sal DeStefano (85:19)

Yeah, for sure. It's all joking aside. That's got. That's one of the places.

Adam Schafer (85:22)

Yeah, yeah. We'll get out there. We got a lot going on right now.

Justin Andrews (85:25)

We're Create an event and give us a reason. How about that?

Adam Schafer (85:28)

Okay.

Sal DeStefano (85:28)

Okay.

Adam Schafer (85:28)

There we go.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (85:29)

Perfect.

Adam Schafer (85:29)

Yeah. Yeah. Rally. Rally the troops first.

Justin Andrews (85:32)

Start something.

Sal DeStefano (85:34)

Yeah, man.

Adam Schafer (85:34)

We.

Sal DeStefano (85:34)

Well, we appreciate you, brother. Anything I can send you? Do you got all of our programs?

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (85:38)

I bought Maps Anabolic a long time ago. I've got that one, but that's actually all I got.

Sal DeStefano (85:43)

Oh yeah.

Adam Schafer (85:44)

What's your goals right now? What are you trying to do?

Justin Andrews (85:45)

We got to get you something.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (85:47)

I'm strength training like three times a week and like kind of Jiu Jitsu two or three as well.

Doug (85:52)

Oh.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (85:52)

So maps 15 just trying to survive, really.

Sal DeStefano (85:54)

Performance mass 15. Performance. Send it to him right now. That'll be perfect for Jiu Jitsu.

Adam Schafer (85:58)

Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (85:58)

Yeah. Cool.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (85:59)

Thank you very much. Appreciate that.

Sal DeStefano (86:00)

You got it, dude. All right, John, thanks for calling in.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (86:02)

Thanks guys. All the best.

Justin Andrews (86:03)

Take it easy.

Sal DeStefano (86:06)

Who we got to work on our commercials?

Doug (86:08)

Who is.

Sal DeStefano (86:09)

He's got all of our sponsors. One program yeah.

Adam Schafer (86:12)

Wow. Backwards. This is backwards. Backwards financially for us. What actor is it? His voice sounds just like him. Who's a famous actor from Australia? I can't think of his name right now. Know Thor. What's his name? Chris Hemsworth. Yeah, Chris Hemsworth. He told you?

Justin Andrews (86:30)

Yeah.

Adam Schafer (86:31)

Before he came on, I could hear him talking to Doug. I was like, oh, hell, I was.

Justin Andrews (86:34)

Thinking Gerard Butler or something.

Adam Schafer (86:36)

He's.

Justin Andrews (86:36)

He's Scottish.

Adam Schafer (86:39)

I'm on the right place, right?

Sal DeStefano (86:40)

I don't know. I don't know. It's a chat gbt. These AIs are very interesting, this kind of stuff and they do know things about you. Yeah. And they'll tell you thing you should ask him. Anybody using it, ask it, say, do you know me?

Justin Andrews (86:52)

You think it just like clears after like you asked? No, it like stores that and then it does.

Adam Schafer (86:57)

Do you know, I heard a stat yesterday. This is a little off topic, but under the age, I want to say 25 or 30. 40% of people have tried to have some had. Have some sort of a relationship with.

Sal DeStefano (87:13)

40%, 40.

Justin Andrews (87:14)

It was a crazy huge number.

Adam Schafer (87:16)

Huge number. Like have. Have attempted like a romantic relationship with AI.

Doug (87:21)

Our next caller is Jessica from Colorado.

Sal DeStefano (87:24)

Hi, Jessica.

Adam Schafer (87:24)

Hi, Jessica. Hi guys. How you doing? Good.

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (87:29)

How are you guys?

Doug (87:30)

We're good.

Adam Schafer (87:30)

Very good.

Sal DeStefano (87:31)

How can we help you?

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (87:32)

So first of all, I'd like to thank you. Like, I just like to thank you for all the free knowledge I've gotten from you. I wouldn't be where I am in my journey without your podcast. Just know that I've contributed to a lot of your watch hours and my quality of life has only become better for it.

Sal DeStefano (87:48)

Wow, thank you so much.

Adam Schafer (87:49)

Thank you.

Sal DeStefano (87:49)

Thank you. How can we help you?

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (87:51)

For sure. So currently I am doing maps anabolic, but without the trigger sessions.

Sal DeStefano (87:56)

Sessions.

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (87:57)

Because I'm tired enough with that because I'm kind of a new lifter. Maybe next round I can do with the trigger session. So I have a few of her programs, but I started with GLP Tirzepatide shots about a year ago on October 1, 2024. Since then I lost 50 pounds and I wasn't working out. When I started. I was barely walking 1500 steps a day and not working out. I'm 42 years old, 535-3.5 in height. That 0.5 is important. I basically like started at 218 pounds when I started taking the meds and then I went all the way down to £159 without any exercise. After that I was just Lighter, I was able to move more. I felt better. So I started weight training about three months ago. And in three months I gained 10 pounds. So, you know, like. But now, like, I'm around, like, no, I'm actually 180. So, like, I've gained about 20 pounds since in these three months, which is crazy. And I'm just concerned that I've gained like, so much weight even though I look leaner. I sent you guys before after pictures. So since I've gained the weight, I went from size 12 jeans to size 8 jeans, even though I've gained 20 pounds. And I also started 15 grams of creatine when I started lifting weights. So a little bit of it is probably water weight. But the problem is that I'm just getting more hungry. And recently I went on 2,600 calories from 2400, but I'm still losing size. It's slowly, but it is happening. And my stomach's gone down a lot, as you can see. But my BMI is in obese category, and I'd finally gotten out of being the obese category. And it only seems to be climbing up, which is honestly, it's like, really stresses me out. So I guess my passion is like such a big part of my life revolves around cooking and eating. I really get exhausted out of it. And I try to because of the glp, I don't have the field food noise. So I do try to eat healthy and I add easy calories like coconut water and sardines out of can and stuff. But at the same time, like, you know, I get tired of I'm eating. Even though I don't have the food noise, I do feel like it's genuine hunger. So right Now I'm walking 5,000 steps a day. My problem is that I don't want to eat anymore. Does like, where does that threshold end of me being like, this is enough food, I won't have to eat anymore. And can I go up in fats? Because I just feel like cheese or whole milk would be easier. I don't like fasting.

Adam Schafer (90:40)

Let's. Let's first, first talk about how much you're crushing it right now.

Sal DeStefano (90:44)

Your before and afters look amazing.

Adam Schafer (90:46)

Not only that, do your before and afters, but even what you've told us, the, the way this went where you. You lost 50 pounds not doing anything just. But by taking the GLP1. So you weren't strength training. So I'm assuming you dropped your calories dramatically and that's how you lost all that Weight with the tirzepatide. But then it sounds like you started to reverse diet and increase calories and start built. So start lifting weights. You added weight, but your waist is continued to go down. That is incredible. That means you are building muscle. You are building a metabolism, and what you feel is a faster metabolism, and we want to feed that, fuel it. If you are. If you're getting your trepatide through a doctor, you. Are you controlling the dosage?

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (91:30)

Yes.

Adam Schafer (91:30)

Okay. I. Controlling.

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (91:31)

And by the way, I. I was only confident enough to do that after seeing your transformation, Adam, and like, the Goldilocks zone and all that, so. Thanks.

Adam Schafer (91:41)

Awesome.

Sal DeStefano (91:42)

Well, let me. Let me. Let's. Let's. Let's put this all in a nutshell. You've lost weight, you feel better, you're stronger, you gained some weight back, but you're smaller.

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (91:53)

Yes.

Sal DeStefano (91:54)

Okay, so here's what the data shows on weight loss with the GLP one without exercise. So you were sedentary. You just ate a. You just ate way less.

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (92:04)

Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (92:05)

About 35 to 40% of that weight was muscle. Lean mass. We'll say lean mass, which includes probably some water. But to put it differently, 50 pounds was probably 15 to 20 lean body mass. How much did you gain back after strength training?

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (92:21)

Almost 20 pounds.

Sal DeStefano (92:22)

That's right. And you're smaller, which tells me you're doing great. Rate your appetite's going up because your. Your metabolism's improving and increasing. Are you.

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (92:34)

BMI is an obese category.

Sal DeStefano (92:36)

BMI means nothing.

Justin Andrews (92:37)

I'm obese. You're looking at.

Adam Schafer (92:41)

You're looking at three obese guys.

Sal DeStefano (92:43)

Jessica, if. If I cut your legs off right now, your BMI would be within range. Would that mean you were bmi?

Adam Schafer (92:48)

Yes.

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (92:49)

Let's not do that.

Sal DeStefano (92:50)

Very generalized BMI is just inaccurate. BMI is just body mass, and they use that because the average person doesn't lift weights, doesn't do anything. And so generally speaking, it can tell you some stuff. Now, if you're. If you're fit and strong and athletic, it doesn't tell you much at all. What tells you what's a better predictor is your strength, your fitness, your activity. And then you can look at other blood markers, like lipids and stuff like that. You're moving in the right direction. I don't think you're doing anything wrong.

Adam Schafer (93:20)

You're doing great.

Justin Andrews (93:21)

Definitely doing great.

Adam Schafer (93:22)

Great. How good are you at hitting consistently your protein intake?

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (93:28)

Oh, really good. 160. I just upped that to about 170 grams.

Adam Schafer (93:32)

You're fine.

Sal DeStefano (93:33)

Oh, My God.

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (93:34)

When I'm low, I'm 130 grams.

Sal DeStefano (93:35)

You're fine.

Adam Schafer (93:36)

Oh, my God.

Sal DeStefano (93:36)

And how much stronger are you right now from your workouts?

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (93:39)

Oh, much stronger. My squats went from £45 to £110.

Adam Schafer (93:44)

Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (93:45)

You do realize you're more than killing it. You're more than twice as strong as you were before. Here's the advice I'll give you.

Adam Schafer (93:52)

Justin hasn't seen gains like that in 20 years.

Sal DeStefano (93:54)

Yeah, yeah.

Justin Andrews (93:54)

I'm jealous.

Adam Schafer (93:55)

You're killing it.

Sal DeStefano (93:56)

Here's where I'll. Here's the only advice I'll give you. Try to increase your, your daily activity because you're hitting 5,000 steps a day. Yeah. Try to get that up to 8,000 steps a day. Just. You'll feel better from it. That's it. Everything else is going great.

Justin Andrews (94:08)

Yeah.

Adam Schafer (94:08)

But keep.

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (94:09)

When I go up in calories, can I go just in fats?

Adam Schafer (94:12)

Can I go. Yes, yes. Because. Because you're. Because your protein is good. You could totally go up in fat.

Sal DeStefano (94:17)

Yeah. And right now, how many calories? You said 26 in today.

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (94:21)

2600 calories. Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (94:22)

By the way, if you go into cut right now, you're going to see, really. You'll see some fat loss if you brought.

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (94:27)

I get too hungry. Even with like.

Adam Schafer (94:29)

Yeah, don't, don't mess with that. Keep feeding the metabolism right now.

Sal DeStefano (94:32)

Keep going the direction you're building some good muscle. Yeah.

Adam Schafer (94:34)

Keep going the direction you're going until you get to a place where you're like, oh, my God. When you. If you start getting like 3, 000 plus calories, then you can come back down to like 25. And then watch. Watch how fast you lean out.

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (94:46)

When I go higher in calories, is it okay if I eat some, like, junk food or like just more unhealthy slightly? Because that's the problem is how much of sardines and coconut water and fruits.

Sal DeStefano (94:59)

Well, let me ask you this. Are you sardine fatigue? If you're hungry, then, then healthy foods, quote, unquote, healthy whole foods will be okay. If it's just because you want to eat, that's different. So real hunger says, says, I want the healthy. Whatever. I'll eat the chicken, I'll eat the rice, the potato. Hunger that says I want hyper palatable processed food is different. That's a craving.

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (95:22)

No. So when I basically, like, don't work out for four or five days, sometimes my caloric intake naturally drops down to like 17, 1800 calories because I am on tirzepatite. So the food noise is not there.

Sal DeStefano (95:36)

Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Jessica, A consistent. So have you looked at your weekly average of daily calories?

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (95:42)

Yes.

Sal DeStefano (95:43)

What is the. What is the average? Because it sounds to me like sometimes you hit 26, but sometimes you hit 17.

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (95:50)

So, like, basically, I take off from working out about once every fifth week, and that week is when it goes down. Otherwise it stays.

Sal DeStefano (95:59)

You're fine. You're fine.

Adam Schafer (96:00)

You're fine.

Sal DeStefano (96:00)

You're totally fine. Yeah. Everything you said is good. Yeah.

Adam Schafer (96:04)

You're in a good place. The only thing I caution you with, like, like junk food.

Sal DeStefano (96:09)

Right?

Adam Schafer (96:09)

Or not. So I would save that for the times in your life when you're with your family, you're celebrating a holiday, and you. And you're like, hey, I can. I can afford. My metabolism is working for me. I enjoy it. Because what will happen is that those types of food does start to kick up the cravings, and then you end up wanting more and more. And then what happens is it starts to creep in and it starts to eat away at the good stuff that you were. That you're consistently doing right now. So. So having a little bit of balance. Totally fine. Enjoying that every now and then. Especially when it's. When it's, you know, with family, whether that's a. I don't know if you're a drink or a dessert person or whatever it is person that like you. What food we're talking about, when it's connecting with family and friends. Save it for those moments. But then just beware of that as you. That creeps in your life, that it kicks up those cravings. They're designed to make you crave them.

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (96:58)

If I can up the fats, I think I'll be okay. Just more cheese and.

Sal DeStefano (97:01)

That's right.

Adam Schafer (97:02)

Yes. Have some more cheese. Dairy. Have fattier meats. Enjoy. Fattier meats. Meats, like, get it that way. But great.

Sal DeStefano (97:08)

But great job.

Adam Schafer (97:09)

Yeah. You're killing.

Sal DeStefano (97:09)

Like, you are doing really, really well.

Adam Schafer (97:11)

Yes.

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (97:12)

I mean, so much to hear from you guys.

Adam Schafer (97:14)

Oh, my God. Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (97:15)

By the way, this is not you. You have. This is. You're not at the end.

Adam Schafer (97:18)

It's. Oh, this is just beginning.

Sal DeStefano (97:19)

Yeah.

Adam Schafer (97:20)

Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (97:20)

You're gonna. You're gonna keep seeing good progress for a while.

Adam Schafer (97:22)

It's just getting good right now. Like, your metabolism is in such a good place. You should just keep getting stronger and keep getting.

Sal DeStefano (97:28)

How's it. I bet your energy must feel great. You must feel so different.

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (97:31)

1500 steps to 500,000 steps. Like, I I wasn't cooking anymore, which I love to cook because I was so drained and tired and cooking and. And which, you know, like, eating healthier because of it. Everything.

Sal DeStefano (97:44)

That's awesome.

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (97:44)

Quality of life, like I said.

Sal DeStefano (97:46)

Yeah. You got, like, two more years of great progress.

Adam Schafer (97:48)

Yeah. Yeah.

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (97:49)

Thank you. Bye, you guys.

Adam Schafer (97:52)

Check back up. Check back in with us. Okay. Call us back in a couple weeks. I'd love to hear from you.

Jessica (Caller from Colorado) (97:56)

Okay.

Sal DeStefano (97:56)

Thank you.

Adam Schafer (97:56)

All right, Jessica, Bye.

Sal DeStefano (97:59)

Wow. She's crushing.

Adam Schafer (98:00)

Crushing, bro. Crushing.

Sal DeStefano (98:02)

Crushing. But, yeah, I mean, no activity. GLP1, just cutting calories. 35, 40 of that will be. That's what the data shows. Yeah. Sometimes.

Adam Schafer (98:10)

She obviously listens a lot because she did exactly what she needed to do, which is. And this happens to everybody on GLP1.

Sal DeStefano (98:16)

But the scale. See how the scale could totally have messed her up. Yeah. Oh.

Justin Andrews (98:18)

Even the bmi, I'm like, think about it.

Sal DeStefano (98:20)

The scale went up, but I'm smaller yet. People would have stopped and freaked out.

Adam Schafer (98:25)

From a 12 to an 8. Eight pant size.

Sal DeStefano (98:27)

Yeah.

Adam Schafer (98:28)

That's crazy. While going. Gaining weight.

Sal DeStefano (98:30)

That's right.

Justin Andrews (98:31)

That's your concern.

Adam Schafer (98:32)

That's a pure. You know what it is, is body comp. Is the scale and the BMI thing, yet you are crushing it.

Sal DeStefano (98:41)

Like, this is why. This is why I often times have clients not weigh themselves. That would have messed up.

Justin Andrews (98:46)

So 100%.

Sal DeStefano (98:47)

Yeah.

Justin Andrews (98:47)

So much better.

Doug (98:48)

Our next caller is Matt from Texas.

Sal DeStefano (98:50)

Matt, what's happening? How you doing? Matt?

Adam Schafer (98:52)

Matt. Matt.

Sal DeStefano (98:53)

Hey, guys.

Matt (Caller from Texas) (98:53)

Thank you so much for. For inviting me to to participate. Found you guys a couple months ago and literally been hooked.

Justin Andrews (99:01)

I'm.

Matt (Caller from Texas) (99:01)

I've gone back to the beginning, and it's actually been really fun to see the evolution of the show. Until now. I think I'm on, like, episode 150.

Sal DeStefano (99:12)

So they get really bad dark ages. Sorry.

Adam Schafer (99:17)

You're like f. Family.

Sal DeStefano (99:18)

We.

Adam Schafer (99:18)

Anybody who's listened to all that stuff, we. We consider, like, family.

Justin Andrews (99:22)

It does get better. Thank God.

Sal DeStefano (99:23)

Yeah.

Matt (Caller from Texas) (99:23)

Well, honestly, I feel like I'm sitting in the room with. With some buddies here, so hopefully you guys can help me out. I want to thank you guys for what you're doing on the show. I think it's great. In some of those earlier episodes, I mean, sometimes it feels like you guys are speaking directly to my life. You guys talked about dealing with, like, stresses of life, losing people, how that affects you, and it really ties perfectly into my situation. So I'll start by saying I kind of look at exercise and fitness as my therapy. Right. So it helps Me deal with stress and anxiety, kind of fought through some depression. So that, that's, that's a lot of my. Why as to why I work out. What I've noticed though, guys, is.

Adam Schafer (100:18)

Throughout.

Matt (Caller from Texas) (100:19)

The journey of being a fat kid, getting fit, getting fat again, kind of that struggle in life and learning from what you guys have taught, I think I really messed up my metabolism. So based on Yalls tips and your coaching and what you guys talk a lot about, about repairing that metabolism, building back strong, letting your body do the work for you, over the last couple months, I've really been focusing a lot on that. I know I over train. I mean, I've. I've really backed off of it quite a bit right now. But at my peak, I was two and a half hours on the weights and hour and a half, two hours of cardio. And when I say every day, I mean legit every day. After a stressful day at work, I would go out in the garage. I live in Houston. It'd be 100 degrees outside. I'd go to the elliptical in the garage and burn it down for an hour. After I did an hour in the morning right on top of a training session. As my training sessions had progressed, like it would start at an hour and then I would add. I never traded off exercises. So I was always like, well, let me try this exercise to hit this muscle group a little different. Let me. And it just kept building from there to where, you know, shoulders and back. I'd be in the gym for two and a half hours lifting, and then I'd go climb on the elliptical for 45 minutes. So my question to you guys is, with that kind of being said, understanding my, my reasoning for the dependency on the working out and how it kind of helps me decompress and why I kind of need that in my day, every day. And not sleeping, I mean, I sleep on a good night, six hours.

Adam Schafer (102:23)

Yeah. No kids kidding.

Matt (Caller from Texas) (102:26)

And sometimes it's as low as four and a half.

Adam Schafer (102:29)

Yeah.

Matt (Caller from Texas) (102:31)

And like, so I'm working on the diet, right. I've built the calories up to. I can maintain about 180 to 183 pounds. And based on the, the cheap scale I've got, that has me hovering somewhere between 12 and 13% percent body fat at about 3,000. And so I'm working on that component. But what do you guys suggest?

Adam Schafer (103:02)

Like, Matt, Matt, we.

Sal DeStefano (103:05)

I know.

Adam Schafer (103:05)

We already know enough. Matt. What, what I'm. What I'm most concerned or afraid to ask is what does cutting back look like? What what is working out? Yeah. What we know what peak you looks like. What does your definition of cutting back look like right now? Right now.

Matt (Caller from Texas) (103:19)

Yeah. So right now, another thing that I've learned from you guys is about like central nervous system overload. Like I. I keep a really close tabs on a lot of things, guys. I would wake up in the morning, I could jump on the elliptical right now, go for two hours. So I know I've got really good cardiovascular health. My resting heart rate at 3:00 in the morning was 8:80. And constantly feeling tired but unable to sleep. So Adam, to answer your question, right now I'm. For the first time in my life I'm trying to do like a deload week where this morning I walked on the treadmill, Super Low pace, 40 minutes. And aside from walking the dog, that's all I'm doing today.

Adam Schafer (104:09)

Okay.

Sal DeStefano (104:10)

Is today day one?

Justin Andrews (104:14)

I'm gonna put it this way. Words of Yoda, you must unlearn what you have learned.

Sal DeStefano (104:19)

Have you, Matt? Have you. How long. How long have you known you had this call with us? When did they practice with you?

Matt (Caller from Texas) (104:26)

Two days? Two or three days.

Sal DeStefano (104:28)

Okay, so that's probably why today you did the first day.

Matt (Caller from Texas) (104:31)

So Sunday, Sunday, in. In all honesty, Sunday was what I did. Sunday was I kind of hit a total body like two sets, 10 to 12, probably 40% effort and was in and out of the gym in 40 minutes.

Sal DeStefano (104:52)

So here's, so here's. So here's the thing, Matt, with this is there's, there's. There's a lie that you're believing that has to get tackled before any of this will get fake fixed. Okay. The lie is telling you that this is helping with your anxiety and depression.

Adam Schafer (105:10)

Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (105:11)

It's no different than drinking. Alcohol can help with anxiety and depression too, until it makes things a lot worse. And so you're in that spiral right now and it's pretty deep. And I could tell you what to do, but it's gonna be real hard. It's easy to say this is a real solid, for lack of a better term, addiction.

Matt (Caller from Texas) (105:36)

It is.

Sal DeStefano (105:36)

It's a very, very difficult one to break. And the only way I could see this.

Adam Schafer (105:42)

Are you watching Sal's series? Are you watching?

Matt (Caller from Texas) (105:46)

No, I'm not.

Adam Schafer (105:47)

Oh brother. I mean that this is Sal's problem, you know, and he's. He's openly been documenting. His whole whole series is all about this, is breaking this, this idol of, of fitness and, and justifying it all. Like so literally. Watching his YouTube series is for You. I also would. Sorry to cut you off.

Sal DeStefano (106:06)

So.

Adam Schafer (106:07)

But I also would. If you. If it. If you have the means to hire, like, one of our coaches to take you through it, that's what you're gonna need. I would definitely recommend that because it's not a matter outsource it for. It's not because you don't have the knowledge or the discipline in to do the thing. It's that you need a guy like myself or one of our coaches in your ear constantly being like, no, no, no, no. Just this. Stick to this. Trust the process. I got you.

Sal DeStefano (106:31)

Here's why, Matt. Because you can't listen to your body and you can't listen to your signals. They're all lying, dude.

Justin Andrews (106:38)

They're lying.

Sal DeStefano (106:39)

So everything the coach is going to have you do is going to feel so wrong.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (106:44)

Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (106:45)

And so you need that. That accountability and that coach to continue to walk you off the ledge every time. Time. Because right now, if I tell you to listen to your body, if I give you a deload workout, you'll do it. You'll get a little bit, oh, I'm feeling better. You're going to go right back to scaling things back up or your cut down will still be too much. So a coach is the only way I see any chance of success with this. Okay. It's a. This could be hard, dude. It's going to suck. It's going to be really, really hard for like, 60. 60 days is going to suck because you're going to break. You're going to be separating yourself from something that it's going to be very difficult to separate from, and it's going to feel very scary. There's a couple things you want to do around this. One, you want to outsource it to a coach. Two, a lot of feelings are going to pop up when you start to. When you stop engaging in this behavior, you need to replace what you would normally did, which was exercise like crazy, with something else. And it's not going to replace it. It's not going to feel like a complete replacement. It's going to feel totally new. But you got to find another behavior to do in replay. You can't just not exercise. In other words, if you just not exercise, you're drive yourself crazy. So we got to replace like, oh, I'm getting anxiety. Feel like I got to do something else. What can I do?

Adam Schafer (108:00)

Walking with an audio book is a move.

Sal DeStefano (108:02)

That's one thing. Are. Are there any habits or passions that you've had in the past that Maybe you're not engaging in as much because.

Adam Schafer (108:11)

Build some more Legos. That takes. That takes forever. I know how long. I know how long one of those suckers takes to build. You'll build one. Build one of those.

Justin Andrews (108:20)

I don't see a Death Star in there, so.

Adam Schafer (108:21)

Oh, yes, I do.

Justin Andrews (108:22)

The time.

Adam Schafer (108:23)

Yeah. Death Stars.

Sal DeStefano (108:24)

Do you have anything like that in the past that you really loved and engaged in that you kind of just kind of let go because of all the time you spent in the gym?

Matt (Caller from Texas) (108:31)

So I was always an athlete. Right. I played baseball up into my mid-30s.

Adam Schafer (108:39)

Go to the batting cage. Love to see that.

Matt (Caller from Texas) (108:41)

Well, and, you know, that's another thing. So my daughter's getting into golf.

Adam Schafer (108:45)

Okay.

Matt (Caller from Texas) (108:45)

I'm terrible at it.

Adam Schafer (108:46)

Okay.

Matt (Caller from Texas) (108:47)

But that would be a great thing.

Adam Schafer (108:49)

Yes.

Sal DeStefano (108:50)

There you go.

Matt (Caller from Texas) (108:50)

She and I could do together.

Adam Schafer (108:52)

Love that. Love that. Yeah.

Matt (Caller from Texas) (108:55)

You know, I'm so bound up from all the working out that I can't swing a golf club right now, but I need to do something to loosen up.

Sal DeStefano (109:06)

Right.

Adam Schafer (109:06)

So.

Matt (Caller from Texas) (109:06)

So it's like you guys are saying, like, that's another healthy habit.

Sal DeStefano (109:10)

Well, Matt, Matt, can I give you. You mind if I add a little bit to that? Please. If you're gonna go play golf with your daughter, don't make it about the golf. For sure. You'll very. This will very quickly turn into an obsession with golf, so it's gotta be about the connection with your daughter. That'll keep you on the right, on the right path with all this. Yeah.

Adam Schafer (109:29)

Embrace sucking.

Sal DeStefano (109:29)

Yeah. And, and then here's the other thing, too.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (109:31)

Do you.

Adam Schafer (109:32)

It's okay.

Sal DeStefano (109:33)

Do you ever ra. Write. Do you ever like to write?

Matt (Caller from Texas) (109:36)

Occasionally. I, Well, I, I, I journal when I do, like, my Bible studies and stuff like that.

Sal DeStefano (109:41)

Okay. We got a light to work with now. So here's what you're gonna do. When you're getting that feeling, you need to think on paper. You gotta process out those thoughts on paper. Otherwise it's gonna stay circulating.

Justin Andrews (109:56)

Makes it real.

Sal DeStefano (109:57)

So I think every time you're like, oh, man, I feel, I'm feeling like, you know, crappy, anxious, like I want to go write. Just write in your journal. And since you have a faith, direct it in that direction. And what that's going to do. At first, it's going to feel awkward. It's going to feel like, this isn't really helping me, but it's going to get those thoughts out on paper, and it will start to help even more.

Adam Schafer (110:17)

Specifically what that looks like for me. It's write. Exactly. And Describe how I feel and then write what I'm grateful for right after that transition right there.

Justin Andrews (110:27)

Neutralizes the anxiety.

Sal DeStefano (110:29)

You add prayer to that. And now you've. Now you've added a supernatural component, for sure.

Adam Schafer (110:33)

Fantastic.

Sal DeStefano (110:34)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I, I. You. But I. I would love. Can I have a coach call you at the very least, give you advice? But I think working with a coach for at least 90 days is going to be a good idea to get you.

Doug (110:44)

Yeah.

Matt (Caller from Texas) (110:45)

100%. Because you guys. I think you guys hit it right on the head. So I've got kind of this. As you can tell, I've got kind of an addictive personality. Right. And something that. That starts healthy. You guys mentioned idols, right? And the Bible talks a lot about idols and how we can take something that God meant for good.

Sal DeStefano (111:07)

That's right.

Matt (Caller from Texas) (111:07)

And pervert the hell out of it, which is what I've done.

Sal DeStefano (111:10)

Yep.

Matt (Caller from Texas) (111:11)

And, Sal, you were talking about, you know, telling me to listen to my body. I've gotten damn good at ignoring it.

Adam Schafer (111:18)

Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (111:18)

Y.

Matt (Caller from Texas) (111:19)

Like, you need to slow down. Your heart feels like it's going to jump out of your chest. Like you can't sleep at night. And it's like. Like, well, I gotta do more.

Sal DeStefano (111:28)

Right.

Matt (Caller from Texas) (111:28)

Like, I gotta. I gotta work this off to where I physically get so exhausted that that's how I. I crash.

Sal DeStefano (111:37)

That's right.

Matt (Caller from Texas) (111:38)

But that's. I call that. Okay, now I can relax.

Sal DeStefano (111:41)

Right.

Matt (Caller from Texas) (111:41)

But I'm crashing.

Sal DeStefano (111:42)

And also, among all things, the heart is deceitful. Anyway.

Matt (Caller from New Hampshire) (111:46)

Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (111:46)

So. So you have to lean in a different direction.

Adam Schafer (111:49)

But we're gonna have a coach call you as soon as we hang up. And then I also gonna have Doug send you Sal's first episode, and then you can watch.

Justin Andrews (111:58)

That'll be perfect.

Adam Schafer (111:59)

When you. When you go for a walk, put that. Make that a daily thing where you kind of go for a walk and just listen. That'd be very therapeutic to hear this knucklehead going through the same thing. So it's like literally. It's like literally the same. Very, very similar to what you're talking about. S Has been sharing through this process that he's also trying to work on. So it'll be. It'll be cathartic to hear him going through it. That between that and the coaching, I think you're going to be. The good news is you're in badass shape and you got all this muscle. So when we get on the other.

Justin Andrews (112:28)

Side of this, you're just gonna get healthy.

Adam Schafer (112:30)

You're gonna feel Better. You're gonna sleep better, you're gonna look better, and you're gonna be doing life changing. You're gonna do way less.

Sal DeStefano (112:35)

Yeah, it's gonna be all the better.

Adam Schafer (112:37)

You get all the. You're gonna get all the things that. That to that look awesome and feel awesome and sleep better with a fraction, zero grind of the. Of the effort towards it. So it's. It's there on the other side. The other side is going to be amazing. But it's hard to get there there, man. It'll be hard to get there.

Matt (Caller from Texas) (112:53)

So I appreciate you guys taking the time and I look forward to the call, guys.

Adam Schafer (112:58)

Cool.

Sal DeStefano (112:58)

You got it, brother.

Adam Schafer (112:59)

Right on, man.

Sal DeStefano (112:59)

Thanks, man.

Adam Schafer (113:00)

Thanks, guys.

Sal DeStefano (113:01)

All right. Yeah, I. I wanted to ask when he started the delo, because preparation for this call.

Adam Schafer (113:08)

Well, I. As he was going, I'm like, I just. I'm gonna. I'm gonna ask what you're trying to stop him early. Yeah. I was like, I already know enough, dog. I've heard you. You ain't got to finish this. All right. Already know where and who you are. I. What I'm curious about is what does your reduction look like and how long.

Justin Andrews (113:24)

It'S after it, man?

Adam Schafer (113:25)

I mean.

Justin Andrews (113:25)

Oh, yeah. No jokes.

Sal DeStefano (113:26)

It's a tough one to break because that's extreme.

Adam Schafer (113:28)

I mean, he has you beat.

Sal DeStefano (113:29)

Well, I've never done that. I've never done.

Justin Andrews (113:31)

He's got cardio.

Sal DeStefano (113:32)

I've never been like that with it. Mine was more about, you know, feeling capable and looking a particular, I guess, away. Not to say that it's any better or worse.

Adam Schafer (113:38)

Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (113:39)

But that. That kind right there can get very destructive very quickly because you just. Just run yourself into the ground.

Katie Duke (113:45)

Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (113:45)

I mean, we had a client that one of our coaches works with that was doing nine hours a day.

Adam Schafer (113:51)

Yeah.

Sal DeStefano (113:52)

Of exercise. And it's just. Yeah. It's a tough one to break. But the coach is essential. We could have given Molly, but I could have given him maps 15.

Adam Schafer (114:00)

Well, you gotta say, imagine. Imagine the reinforcement of that too. He's 46 years old and he looks badass. I mean, how many people probably tell him all day long? Awesome. Yeah.

Justin Andrews (114:11)

And it reinforces.

Adam Schafer (114:12)

So it just reinforces that. Like, oh, my God. I bet he gets complimented all the time because he looks so good. So.

Sal DeStefano (114:18)

But he didn't realize a lot of the anxiety and stuff you may be feeling now.

Adam Schafer (114:21)

It's from the workouts, his heart rate, all that no sleep is because, like, you're hammering your body seven days a week. That much like, yeah, no shit, you're not sleeping. Like, it's going to be amazing on the other side if he can stick with it. And I hope, I hope one of the coaches work, that'll be awesome.

Sal DeStefano (114:34)

Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. We'll see you. It's at Mind Pump.

Doug (114:38)

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