2753: Lift and Gain an Inch Around Your Butt in 60 Days!

Summary

Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth

Episode 2753 – Lift and Gain an Inch Around Your Butt in 60 Days!
Date: December 19, 2025
Hosts: Sal Di Stefano, Adam Schafer, Justin Andrews, Doug Egge

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode is a deep dive into effective muscle-building strategies, with a specific focus on how listeners can lift and gain a solid inch of muscle mass around their glutes in just 60 days. The hosts combine science-backed training protocols, nutritional advice, and their trademark raw, entertaining dialogue to debunk fitness myths and lay out a straightforward, practical plan for real-world results. They also cover broader topics related to teen online safety, modern food engineering, cannabis legalization, and more, while tackling audience questions on training consistency and program adaptation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Evolution of Glute Training Culture

[03:34 – 05:23]

• The desire for shapely glutes is a relatively recent phenomenon in mainstream fitness. The hosts note that prior to the JLo era, most clients wanted smaller butts; now, a strong, developed glute is highly sought after.
• Sal: “The good news with your butt is it's a muscle. You could totally develop it... It’s not like, you know, boobs or something like that.” [04:41]
• Adam: “I would make the argument it’s easier to build than arms... The glutes are one of your prime movers, one of the biggest muscles on your body.” [04:56]

2. The Real Reason Your Glutes Aren’t Growing

[05:23 – 09:35]

• Many fail to grow their glutes because of undereating, not programming. Most people now know which exercises are effective, but are afraid of eating enough calories due to a simultaneous desire to keep a tiny waist.
• Adam: “Those goals...are conflicting for most people. If you eat to build your butt, the scale might go up, and if you don’t like that, you’ll self-sabotage.” [06:29]
• Building muscle requires a calorie surplus. If you want to add an inch to your butt in 60 days, focus on building—get leaner later, after adding new muscle.

3. Practical Nutrition Strategies for Glute Gains

[09:35 – 12:14]

• Eat 3–500 calories over maintenance and prioritize protein to effectively build muscle.
• Muscle is denser than fat—weight gain will likely occur, but it’s productive.
• Sal: “If you could guess this trainer’s body weight within 10, 15 pounds, I’d give you a free month. They always failed... Muscle is dense and it looks different.” [10:35]
• To avoid scale anxiety, consider not weighing yourself during a build phase.

4. The Glute-Building 3-Day Routine

[12:37 – 19:21]

• Workout Frequency: 3 days per week, ideally with a day of rest between.
• Exercise Selection & Order Matter:
  • Day 1: Hip Thrusts (8–10 reps), Romanian Deadlifts.
  • Day 2: Barbell Squats (~10 reps), Bulgarian Split Squats.
  • Day 3: Sumo (or conventional) Deadlifts.
• Add 2–3 exercises for the rest of the body per session; keep volume low.
• Adam on sumo deadlifts: “Wide stance, opening the knees, it engages the glute med—a common weak point.” [15:31]
• Sal: “It is reasonable to gain an inch around your butt in 60 days if you do these things.” [12:37]

5. What NOT to Do

[17:04 – 19:21]

• Avoid excess cardio or stacking this program atop other high-volume routines; “minimal is better” for muscle building focus.
• Doug: “Isolate, prioritize, and set aside extra volume—your body will respond to that specific, targeted signal.” [18:40]
• Adam: “If you’re not seeing results, it’s one of three things—under-eating, missing protein, or doing too much.” [19:21]

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Sal: “Building your butt is not rocket science—it’s about consistency, good programming, and diet.” [05:29]
• Adam: “If you hit your protein intake, follow these lifts, and eat in a surplus for 60 days—I guarantee you, you’ll see a huge change.” [16:40]
• Doug: “Minimal is better here. You’ll build more muscle with less, if less is focused.” [17:31]

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Important Supplementary Conversations

Teen Online Safety and Sextortion

[20:00 – 25:13]

• Discussion of rising trend: online sextortion targeting teens, with emotionally powerful stories and parental advice.
• Sal: “If you ever did [send something], you’ll never have to be embarrassed with me... come to me.” [22:44]
• Emphasizes open parent-child communication in the digital age.

Trends in Pornography & Societal Effects

[27:24 – 32:44]

• Shift in societal discourse: decreased shame, increased awareness of downsides.
• Sal: “Pornography is the processed food version of sex.” [32:20]
• Early exposure is particularly harmful; adult consumption less likely to become a problem if not introduced young.

Human Engineering of Foods and Impulse Control

[35:10 – 38:25]

• Modern fruit, sugar sources, and processed foods are engineered for palatability and abundance, leading to new problems.
• Adam: “We figured out how to engineer sugar to make it like cocaine for the brain, and then we give it to our kids.” [32:59]

Legalization and Overuse of Cannabis

[38:44 – 43:13]

• New problems arise as cannabis is legalized and massively potent products proliferate—discussion of “scromiting” (cannabis-induced uncontrolled vomiting).
• Adam: “Dabbing and extracts—THC up to 99%... almost a hundred times stronger than its natural form.” [40:27]

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Listener Questions & Expert Answers

1. Barbell Row Substitutes for Kids

[60:04] Leslie Brook W.S.

• Substitute barbell rows with supported single-arm dumbbell rows or cable/seated rows for better mechanics with children.
• Sal: “The key is to get the shoulder blades to come back together and down; avoid shrugging.” [61:30]
• Doug: Squat rack support or bench incline allows for safer learning. [62:35]

2. Focusing on Strength, Health, but Not Seeing Aesthetic Change

[63:02] Nancy Holmes

• Be patient—stay focused on strength, sleep, libido, protein, and whole foods; the visual changes will follow.
• Dial in diet if needed, but don’t prematurely switch emphasis.
• Doug: “It’ll reveal itself.” [63:29]

3. Full-Spectrum CBD Hype and Value

[64:43] Ryan W. Richards

• Overhype period is over; high-quality CBD still delivers clinical benefits for sleep and wellness.
• Sal: “CBD enhances your body’s endocannabinoids, making you just kind of feel better.” [65:44]

4. Is It OK to Bounce Between Programs?

[66:20] Stacy Thomas Photography

• Yes, especially if it keeps you consistent. Adapt your routines (Muscle Mommy, MAPS 15, Anabolic, Suspension, etc.) to your circumstances.
• Adam: “In fact, [it’s] encouraged if it’s what keeps you working out regularly.” [67:46]

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Notable Timestamps

• 03:34 — Episode’s focused glute protocol begins
• 12:37 — 60-day, 1-inch glute gain is reasonable
• 14:10 — The 3-day butt-building training split explained
• 20:00–25:13 — Online safety and sextortion conversation
• 32:20 — “Pornography is the processed food version of sex.”
• 38:44 — Cannabis “scromiting” and concentration epidemic
• 60:04 — Listener Q&A section starts

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The Mind Pump Approach

• Focus on fundamentals: consistent, evidence-based training and sufficient nutrition are more sustainable and effective than chasing trends or stacking on "extra" workouts.
• Minimal effective dose: Less is more for targeted muscle building.
• Long-term lens: Don’t get discouraged by slow progress—health, performance, and body composition all improve through consistency.
• Real-world examples: Clients’ struggles with scale weight versus body composition, modern challenges in food and drug culture, and how technology changes fitness and health priorities.

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Summary

This episode is a goldmine for anyone wanting to build glutes, debunk diet and training myths, or understand the current fitness zeitgeist with humor and candor. The hosts offer a clear, actionable plan (both in training and diet), challenge fears about weight gain, and emphasize adapting protocols for sustainability. They also give thoughtful, real-world answers to listener questions, and aren’t afraid to detour into important societal and family topics—all making this episode rich, relevant, and highly actionable for fitness fans and everyday listeners alike.

Transcript

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[Sal Destefano]

Build your butt. This is really popular nowadays. Here's what we're going to do for you right now. We're going to talk about how you can lift and add an inch to your booty, solid inch of muscle to your butt in 60 days. We're going to break it down for you. Let's go.

[Adam Schafer]

Popular nowadays. I'm pretty sure that's been popular.

[Sal Destefano]

It's a thing. It's been a thing for a while.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, I guess, I guess pre JLo, it wasn't that big of a thing at all.

[Sal Destefano]

And building your butt wasn't even a thing. Still, it's.

[Adam Schafer]

It did.

[Sal Destefano]

It wasn't until probably it was Jennifer Lopez. Jennifer Build to build.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. Well, because everybody, everybody wanted that. And then so, I mean, I remember that era, right? Being a person and clients coming in and being like, I want a butt like JLo. And it's like, well, you know what.

[Sal Destefano]

They used to say in the 90s, I want my butt to be smaller.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

That's clients.

[Adam Schafer]

That's what I mean. Like, that wasn't until it was all about being thin. It wasn't until like late 90s, early 2000s, where JLo was on the scene and popular and famous. Right? And everybody decided, well, I want a big butt.

[Sal Destefano]

And the good news is with Kira.

[Adam Schafer]

With your buck, all those came all later, right?

[Sal Destefano]

Well, the good news is with your butt is it's a muscle. You could totally develop it.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

You can make radical and dramatic changes.

[Adam Schafer]

No different than the guy who says, I want big arms.

[Sal Destefano]

It's the same. Exactly. It's a muscle. So it's not like, you know, boobs or Something like that.

[Adam Schafer]

In fact, I, I would make the argument in case it's easier to build than a guy who says, I want to build arms. Those are small muscles. The glutes are one of your prime movers, one of the biggest muscles on your body. And so the potential for it to develop and grow is. Is far greater than somebody's biases.

[Sal Destefano]

And functionally speaking, the glutes are very important muscle. They're crucial for athletic performance, balance, stability, for back health.

[Doug]

Yeah, it's actually a big advantage if you build up your glutes in terms of overall strength and force generation.

[Sal Destefano]

Totally, totally. 100%. And building your butt is not. It really isn't rocket science. It's. It's actually consistency. Good workout programming and diet. And I think we'll start with diet, because here's what I see today. Now, this maybe wasn't the issue 10 years ago. I'd say 10 years ago when we started the podcast, one of the big issues was workout programming. A lot of people just didn't do the best exercises to build her butt. So whenever you'd see a girl say, I want to build my butt, they would do a lot of these kind of not worthless, but far less effective exercises like these, you know, dog pee and kickback and cable, you know, this, that and the other, and, you know, abduction and. Because they'd feel the burn. And so a lot of the conversation back then was workout programming. And we'll get there. We will talk about a specific workout program or kind of programming that would help. But these days, more people are aware of the best exercises, but you still run into people who are like, why isn't my butt building? It's because you're not eating enough.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

It's just not going to happen. You're not going to build anything.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, if you don't eat materials, it's tough because most of the time, the. The girl that comes to you that wants to build her butt is also want to simultaneously shrink her waist.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

And those two goals, although somewhat are possible, they're conflicting for most people. Especially if you are trying to go at it yourself and figure out like, okay, I'm eating to have a small waist, but I'm also training to have a butt. It's like, well, what will end up happening is you might get the small waist, but then you won't get the butt because you're not eating in enough calories to build the butt. And then the other way you go, okay, I'm going to eat to build this butt. But then you see any sort of increase in the waist or if you put on any sort of weight, you freak out, and then you go the other direction, and then you end up hurting your progress on your process of building the butt.

[Doug]

Yeah, it's true. They're not willing to sacrifice, you know, that process of having to actually, like, build up, which may increase, you know, temporarily. But you need that, though, to be able to build muscle. You know, you need the calories. You need to be able to increase that.

[Sal Destefano]

Well, here's the good news. The good news is building makes getting leaner easier later anyway. Yep. Yeah, so that's the good news. So if you focus on building, you'll build if you do it right. And then later getting leaner is easier because now you have more muscle. By the way, when people see changes in body composition where they build muscle and lose body fat at the same time, it's usually because they're trying to build. And through the building process, what it looks like is this. This is what it feels like for somebody who's gone through this, they'll start to gain some muscle. Then because of the increased metabolic rate, they'll get a little leaner a little bit later on. So that's sometimes what this looks like. But I will say this. You want to add an inch to your butt and get it to lift in 60 days. You need to focus on building. If you try to build and lose at the same time in 60 days, you might get a little bit of each, but you're not going to get a lot of the building. And if build a lot now, you can get leaner later in a much faster, easier way. So you're better off focusing on building with your nutrition. And what does that look like? It looks like hitting your target body weight and protein, and you got to eat in excess of calories. In other words, if you're burning, if you're eating right now 2000 calories a day or 1500 calories a day, you need to be like a few hundred calories above that for 3 to 500 calories above that. If you really want to make this happen, you have to do it. And if you don't do that, here's how important it is. By the way, you can follow the best strength training workout. If your calories aren't high enough, not only will you not build, I've seen many cases where calories are so low that even with strength training, we see muscle loss and sometimes bone loss. So this is a really, really big deal. And then Just to add to this, there are many times when I would work with a client or when we have a caller who the routine seems decent. All we do is have them bump their calories and then boom, like magic muscles start to box. Have you.

[Adam Schafer]

Have you guys ever seen Danny's transformation before?

[Sal Destefano]

No.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, my God. You have to. We'll have the. We'll have Dylan throw up her transformation. But I think she's such a great example.

[Sal Destefano]

Was she, like, really?

[Adam Schafer]

I would love to. I don't. Maybe if Dylan. I don't know if Dylan knows. Like, I would love to know. Know what her weight on the scale was pre strength training and building.

[Sal Destefano]

Was she like chronic dieter and stuff before?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, typical young, young girl. Like, she didn't look like. She didn't look emaciated and skinny or anything like that, but she looked like your average, average girl's build or body in her, like, late teens, early 20s or whatever. And then she really got into lifting. Lifting heavy, strong. And you could see. But I mean, I would. I would love to hear the difference in her weight because she. And because you can obviously see such a different from physique that she's built from that. And. But I bet you it's like a huge difference. A number that would probably scare most women. Like what? I would gain that much weight. But then if you see the difference in the bodies, like, everybody would go like, oh, of course I would take that physique over the.

[Sal Destefano]

The physique. My favorite story to share is your trainer who works. Yeah. And I've had a lot of situations like this, but I used to have this trainer that worked for me. You guys know her. And she was very lean, very petite, but she was very strong. And when I would talk to women who were potentially joining the club that I managed, I would make. I would give them a challenge when they would talk about how scared they were of getting bulking. I'd say, if you gain. If you. Excuse me. If you could guess this trainer's body weight within 10, 15 pounds, I'll give you a month membership for free. And they always failed because they would think she was 100 pounds. She weighed like 130 pounds. And I'd have a scale in my office. We'd step. She'd step on the scale and everybody would kind of like, what? But she's tiny. Like, look, muscle is dense and it looks different. So different muscle gives you shape to your body. It also takes up less space on your body. So the scale doesn't tell you the whole story. At all. And building muscle in this process will probably result in some weight gain. So if that'll freak you out, if you're listening to this, you're like, oh my God, that'll totally freak me out. Then don't weigh yourself, don't weigh yourself through this process because it'll, it'll get.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, I normally have to do that with clients that have goals like this. Especially when they're like, I want to build my butt and shrink my waist. I know that I have to increase their calories. I know there's a chance the scale is going to stay the same, possibly even go up a little bit. And this is just, you know, the veteran trainer should know this. Like that you, you, you don't let that client, you don't let that client weigh themselves.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, I would have clients, you tell.

[Adam Schafer]

Them that you got this and I've got the process. Don't worry, I know what I'm doing. Type of deal. I don't want you on the scale. And I'll let them know why is because I'm like, you know, there's a chance it could go up a little bit, but that doesn't mean we're not doing the right thing. You're absolutely doing the right thing.

[Sal Destefano]

How many times did you have a client stand backwards on the scale where you take their measurements and don't share?

[Adam Schafer]

That was the move. Yeah, that was the move. When we had the Dr. Scale inside the office, it was get up on the scale, turn around and be like, why? I'm like, you don't get to know. Only I need to know. I need to know just to see where we're at. And literally all I care about is if I see any massive swings. I'm not really tripping on the one to three pounds here or there as we're going through this process. That's all I'm paying attention to.

[Sal Destefano]

All right. Just to touch on how I opened it is reasonable. If you do the right things like we're going to talk about, especially in a calorie surplus, hitting your protein to gain an inch around your butt in 60 days, it's a pretty good goal, but it's a reasonable one. Very reasonable. I didn't put one out here that was like crazy. So you could do this if you follow what we're going to say. So we're going to give you a basic three day a week butt building routine that doesn't include exercises for the rest of your body. So what we're going to talk about are the exercises that are targeting the glutes here. Now you can add, and you probably should add three additional exercises in each of these workouts to hit the rest of the body. So you're going to be doing per workout anywhere between probably five, roughly five exercises, maybe six at most. But you could also do as little as four. So that's what these workouts going to look like. So we're going to start with day one and you want to have ideally a day off in between these workouts. So this is a three day a week routine. So it would be like a Monday, Wednesday, Friday type of deal. But it could also be, you know, whatever, three days, so long as there's a day off in between, that would make this ideal. But the first exercise you're going to do in day one. And by the way, the order is important here. So when we say workout one, workout two, like try and do them in this order. Okay. Because there's a rhyme to this reason. But the first exercise, hip thrust. Hip thrusts, you could load heavy. It is a glute targeted exercise and especially for people, it's not necessarily better than other butt building exercises, but it is an easier one to connect and target the butt with.

[Doug]

It's one of the only ones that really can isolate it, if you want.

[Adam Schafer]

To call it that.

[Sal Destefano]

With. With load.

[Adam Schafer]

With load. There's some like. I mean, this is why people like butt, butt kicks and movements like that is because they can feel it and isolate it, but they can't load that. Yeah, yeah.

[Doug]

There's no weight to that.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. Hip thrust. You can load and it's very targeted. You can feel it. My. One of my favorite movements, especially with a client who struggles to feel glutes in their other glute exercises.

[Sal Destefano]

That's right. So because everybody feels hip thrust in their glutes. So hip thrust will be the first exercise you want to do a few sets and let's keep the reps between 8 to 10. And then you're going to do Romanian deadlifts. Romanian deadlifts are also a glute and also hamstring exercise. So those are the two exercises you do in workout one. And you can, you can add three, maybe four exercises that'll target the rest of the body in that workout. The next workout, which would be not the next day, but the day after, you're going to start with barbell squats, which is the king of lower body exercises. So you're going to do barbell squats, same thing, a few sets for right around 10 reps. And then you're going to do Bulgarian split stance. Squat. Squats.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Following that up. And then workout three is just deadlifts. You're just doing conventional or sumo deadlifts. You pick Sumo.

[Adam Schafer]

You know, I love sumo because you have Romanians in here. And I'm also biased.

[Sal Destefano]

Not a bad. Not a bad.

[Adam Schafer]

And I'm biased to sumo deadlifts for building the glutes just because it hits the glute meat. And that's an area with that wide stance. Yes, that wide stance. And opening the knee, the knees up, it engages the glute. Me a lot of times when I had clients that suffer from sleepy butt syndrome, it was glute mead. They're glute mead. They just weren't connected well to it. And the, the sumo deadlifts does a great job of helping you get connected. That. And because you already have Romanians, I'm doing that conventional. That to me is like the perfect.

[Sal Destefano]

Now here's the deal. You might think, well, how do I know if this is working? Besides the fact that my butt looks different? You're stronger. So in 60 days, if you're, if you're seeing yourself through this workout, add weight to the bar on any of these exercises, or especially all of them, you are moving in the right direction. And for those of you that are afraid to eat extra calories, if your strength's not going up and you know that about yourself, bump the calories and watch what happens. But you add, you know, again, you could probably add through this workout in 60 days, 30 pounds to one of these lifts. Your butt's going to be bigger.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, geez.

[Sal Destefano]

Your butt's going to be bigger.

[Adam Schafer]

If you hit protein intake consistently every day, follow exactly these lifts. 3 to 500 plus surplus cal. And that's all. That's the only thing you focus on. You could do other stuff, yada, yada, but that's the main thing. Cornerstone right here. Yeah, that's the main thing that you just say I'm consistent about for 60 days. I guarantee you see a huge.

[Sal Destefano]

Now let's talk about things you shouldn't do or things that get in the way.

[Adam Schafer]

A bunch of extra stuff.

[Sal Destefano]

A bunch of. Yes, a bunch of cardio.

[Adam Schafer]

Thinking that more stuff is going to help you out.

[Doug]

Do this all, like with a hip.

[Sal Destefano]

Circle.

[Doug]

Circle.

[Adam Schafer]

In fact, I like, I wanted to say when you were talking about, like, you know, you. These are the three. We're not going to talk about the other list, but honestly, if your main goal is you really want to Build a butt. I'm doing literally on these, these other three days. Like one exercise per mushroom. Yeah. In addition, like one or two exercises. That's it. Like you don't need.

[Sal Destefano]

Minimal is better here.

[Adam Schafer]

Yes.

[Sal Destefano]

You'll build more muscle. Yes. If it's minimal. And. And now here's where a lot of people might mess up. They're going to do a ton of cardio.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

With this. So they're like, oh, cool, here's my routine. I also like to do an hour cardio.

[Adam Schafer]

Or they add what we just said to like already another program. It's just like try and bolt this on to something. It's like less is actually more here if this is the main focus. And I'm telling you, if you just throughout the week, divide up the rest of the body. So not even in every workout, like the rest of.

[Sal Destefano]

Good point. So like here's a press, here's a row. Yes.

[Adam Schafer]

Yes.

[Sal Destefano]

And it's not all in the same work.

[Adam Schafer]

That's right.

[Sal Destefano]

Agreed.

[Adam Schafer]

Like that's all. Like, you just make sure you get a press, you get a row inside the inside there. And a day of like some arm work. Like that's it.

[Doug]

Like to cover it.

[Adam Schafer]

Just to cover the bases that you're touching all the other body parts one time that is, is, is great for what you're about to go do. The mistake that people will make is they will take this formula and they will bolt it on to other, other stuff. They're doing their group classes. Yes. Group classes. Or burning a bunch of calories with weren't running or already have a strength training program. And this is like literally follow it.

[Doug]

Like that, isolate, prioritize. And you really just set this aside without any of the volume around it. Watch how your body responds so much better to that specific targeted signal that you're sending.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. I used to love getting people to buy in to this philosophy and trust me and then watch them, watch just their minds get blown as they get stronger, stronger, stronger. And they come to me and go, I'm looking the way I want it to look. Except before I would over diet, over train, do everything. This doesn't make sense to me, except I see it working. And now I think you're right about adaptation, recovery and all those things. I used to love doing it.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, if. If you are not getting stronger and it's not working for you, it's one of these things. Either you're not eating in a surplus, you're not hitting your protein, or you're doing too much, too much that's one of those three things. Otherwise you'll be getting stronger, you'll be seeing results. So if you're not seeing results, it's one of those three things that is your issue or a combination of all of them. Like you're. Sometimes you're not consistent with the protein. Other times you overtrain and do other stuff. It's like. And that typically is what it is. It's like, well, I don't. I most always hit my protein. Well, you most always is only once in a while they miss, but then they also do the other. It's like follow the way it's laid out. Just do those things. Watch what happens in 60 days.

[Sal Destefano]

All right, I got to tell you guys about something. Justin, you're probably going to want to pay attention to this because you have teenage boys. And I'm going to have a conversation with my daughter and my niece about this. So there's something that's happening right now that's on the rise called sex tortation. Have you heard of this sex rotation? Sextation, I think they call it. So this is where. And I'll pull up the article. Apparently it's growing and it's a thing in teenage.

[Doug]

Is this like a term over exploration? But it's sex tortation.

[Sal Destefano]

No, dude. So. So there are groups that target us kids with this and what they do.

[Doug]

I think I've heard of this.

[Sal Destefano]

What they do is they find a way to get in contact and I'll, I'll pull this up. Online scammers scour public social media profiles to learn about a teenage. Then they pose as a flirtatious peer and they know information about you because they can go on social media and they can make connections. So they'll know like for example, there was a, there was this one kid who this happened to where they acted like a 17 year old girl. They had real pictures of this fake girl. They knew what gym he worked out at. They knew a couple of his best friends they name dropped. They knew that he played basketball for this high school. They started going back and forth with these flirtatious texts, built trusts. Then they started to trade photos. And then when they got compromising photos of him, they exhorted, they, they said hey, you got it. We will show your whole family.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh wow.

[Sal Destefano]

If you don't give us wow X amount of dollars. Now this poor kid, there's this One kid, this 15 year old boy who had sent illicit photos because they had sent it back and had developed a relationship with this fake kid. And they said you got to give us money. And he said, I. All I have is 30 bucks. I'll give that to you. Gave it to them. They said, no, that's not enough, or whatever. Anyway, the kid ended up committing suicide because he was so afraid of these photos getting put out there publicly.

[Adam Schafer]

Wow.

[Sal Destefano]

So this was like, I was reading this article, like, there are online scammers that are doing this right now, and they're targeting kids. So it's a conversation.

[Adam Schafer]

I imagine this is a special place.

[Doug]

In hell for these people.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, my God.

[Adam Schafer]

I. I would imagine this is way more common happening to boys than it is happening to girls.

[Sal Destefano]

No.

[Adam Schafer]

Equally.

[Sal Destefano]

Yo. Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Interesting.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, yeah. I mean, if you can get a kid to send, like.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, but I feel like girls are way less susceptible to that than guys.

[Sal Destefano]

Are sending photos of themselves.

[Adam Schafer]

Not just. Yeah, that. And the. And also believing this. This random. Random guy or person. I feel like it's. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen. I'm just saying that it would be. I could totally see the teenage boy who is, you know, got a cute girl who's messaging him and thinks he.

[Sal Destefano]

Knows it's happened to both.

[Doug]

Really?

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Wow.

[Sal Destefano]

It's happened both. And so the conversation. I think that's important because how do you talk to your kid about this? It's like, well, first, don't ever send anything through text because that you don't want getting public because it's out there. And then, number two, if you ever did, I don't care. You'll never have to be embarrassed with me. I don't care what comes out. Because if that does happen, imagine the fear. Imagine if you were that kid.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

And you sent photos and you're like, oh, my God, my parents are gonna see this.

[Doug]

Yeah, I know. It's so scary. I mean, I had a conversation one time about this, and it was an innocent thing. It was like. Like one of my kids, like, took pictures butt to, like, you know, mess with his buddy. And so then I freaked out and I had this, like, huge come to Jesus talk with, like, both boys. I'm like, this is how it is. And, you know, these things are live on the Internet and, you know, all that kind of stuff. And. But that was a while back. And of course, you know, of course there's these, like, disgusting people out there, like, trying to manipulate and abuse.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, dude. Just reading about that. How terrible. How terrible for the parents to not be in the loop.

[Adam Schafer]

Is there an age group? It's more popular. Teenagers. Just teenagers in general.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I think it's because, I mean obviously if you're in your 20s and someone does this, you're more of an adult. You're more like whatever do put it out, you know, embarrassing. But as a teenager. Yeah. Well you, you know, that's like the big deal to get that. Yeah.

[Doug]

You're already insecure.

[Adam Schafer]

I feel like the threat would be more to like the. The high school and the school than even mom and dad.

[Sal Destefano]

I feel like the threat would be like we're gonna. I mean they threatened him with. Cuz.

[Adam Schafer]

I remember. So my buddy's a. Was a principal and he says that's a. That was popular. That was very popular. And a major thing that they had to. To deal with is even like boyfriend and girlfriend.

[Sal Destefano]

Yes.

[Doug]

Horror stories about that.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. And you know, one of the. The boyfriend sharing with his buddies. Oh, what my girlfriend sent me. Or this that. And then somebody decides to send it out to every.

[Doug]

Or they just break up and they do it.

[Adam Schafer]

Or that. Right. Or they. Yeah, exactly. So that. That's a common thing that they'd have to. To manage at the high school is just. That would happen all the time, man. I'm like, oh my God.

[Sal Destefano]

There's a false sense of security because you think, well, they sent me a picture of them. Yeah. So if they release mine, I'll release theirs. Not knowing that it's not even that person. They don't care if they release that just scammer. Yeah. Anyways, along those lines there's this, this, this. We've talked about her before. She was an only fans girl and she did this crazy challenge. Anyway.

[Doug]

Was this that Bonnie Blue?

[Sal Destefano]

Bonnie Blue. I brought her up a while ago just because the stuff that she. It's just. It's crazy where the world. I mean what the world is with some of the stuff. But anyway, she got arrested in Indonesia and faces I think like years and years and years in prison because Indonesia has a strict anti pornography law. And so she was filming herself in a bus recruiting, you know, legal of age, but teenage boys to sleep with her and to film it. She got caught in Indonesia and she's over there right now and they're like thinking about throwing her in jail. Wow. Yeah. Which is. Which is wild.

[Adam Schafer]

What would.

[Sal Destefano]

What would make her go to a country that's illegal? Right.

[Adam Schafer]

That and then to con after she already owns the record. Right. Didn't she own the record of the most guys?

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, dude.

[Adam Schafer]

Poor thing.

[Sal Destefano]

Dude.

[Doug]

I mean just how some. Some screw loose.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. But so now she's sitting over there waiting to potentially get thrown in jail.

[Doug]

And to be one of those guys too. Like, come on. It's so gross, dude.

[Adam Schafer]

You guys, I forgot you guys.

[Doug]

Why would you ever want to be associated.

[Adam Schafer]

I forgot you guys haven't. You guys haven't watched, you know these guys. You guys gotta watch that. There's a. There's a part in there where he's hanging. He hangs. He's. He hangs out with all the Crips, like, all the main, like, Crip gangsters and stuff like that. And you know, he's so like, you know, he's got. He power trips. Wants all this attention from all these women. Like, P. Diddy was crazy. He was getting after other. Other famous people side chicks. Like, he just power trip once. Once. It all wants everybody. And he's hanging out with all the gang members that they're meeting at a place to basically talk about some, like, crazy hit or some shit like that. And they roll up and he's like, making out with this chick. And like, the gang, the gangster is like, laughing, and they're all like, laughing at Pete Diddy. And he's like, what's so funny, man? It's like, hey, bro, you just roll in the town and just start kissing with someone. You know she sucked everybody's dick in here, right?

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, no. Oh, no, no.

[Doug]

Right here.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, yeah. He's like all kissing. Make it out.

[Adam Schafer]

All these. All these gang bangers are all laughing because they're like, yeah, she's had all of us. That's what you try to be too powerful, try to get too much. Gets blows up in your face, you know?

[Sal Destefano]

You know, it's funny though, along these lines, there seems to be a. There's so much more awareness around just this kind of topic, you know, like pornography and just this kind of, you know, just these. Just how damaging it is. I've never seen so much awareness around it where you're hearing experts talk about it and you're hearing young men now say, this is damaging. I don't want to deal with this. And did you guys know that? So, So I just saw this report. Pornhub is losing viewers at massive amounts right now. Really massive amounts. Now they're blaming certain states passing whatever laws. Yeah. But there's speculation that the trend is moving in the opposite direction or more and more people are like, probably not a good idea. Yeah, I don't think I should go there. So it's pretty interesting, you know, Game.

[Doug]

Gonna come back or what?

[Sal Destefano]

I. I think I feel like.

[Doug]

Yeah, we did a good job of eliminating shame. And then it's like all of this is out there now.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Doug]

You know, and it's like, okay, like maybe there's a place for it like a little bit. Like.

[Sal Destefano]

Well, I think there's societal shame exists for a reason. Yeah, I do. I really do. And, and, and now I get the negative side of it.

[Doug]

We shouldn't, we probably shouldn't do that. You know, it's like, like nobody's saying that anymore.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, I think, I think everybody's like. I think what we're experiencing and what we're. Is that we went to a place where we, we had. Because I, I mean I was a part. My church was on top of that when I was a kid, bro.

[Sal Destefano]

That was church though.

[Adam Schafer]

No, I know, but my point is like there's been a percentage of people that been, have been beating the drum for a very long time that this is.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Not healthy, not right.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

I think we had mass adoption by everybody. And the end.

[Sal Destefano]

It had to get so obvious.

[Adam Schafer]

Exactly. It had to get so bad. So obviously what will probably land in is just, you know, 75 of the people do and 25 of the people don't. You know, I'm saying like that's unfortunate, but I don't see, I don't see something so accessible, so addictive, so justified that going away and like the whole everybody going like, you know, this is not good.

[Sal Destefano]

You know, it's going to require, it would require actual regulation. Yeah. Because it's like any other addictive, you know, whatever substance or behavior.

[Adam Schafer]

But where do you draw behavior? Where do you draw the line on that? Right. Like, I know you're. At least, you weren't, you weren't a big regulation guy. So what?

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, I think it needs to be. I think we need to make it virtually impossible for anybody underage to.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, I think we all agree there.

[Sal Destefano]

That needs to be.

[Adam Schafer]

But even then it doesn't. I mean, sure, that would, that would significantly. There's plenty of 18, 19 year olds.

[Sal Destefano]

That's the first.

[Adam Schafer]

Just like the first thing they do is go out and buy a pack of cigarettes or buy an alcohol when they're 21. First thing they're doing is logging into their pornhub when they can. So, you know, does that really solve a lot or does it just help a problem that's still gonna be a problem forever?

[Sal Destefano]

What they find in the data is that when it's consumed at a young age, it's far more likely to more detrimental. Not Just detrimental, definitely. But it's far more likely to become a problem as an adult. When you find men who didn't consume it much in their teens, then as adults, it just doesn't become an issue. It's not. It's not.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, wouldn't you. Wouldn't you say that's pretty much everything? Yep. It's not.

[Sal Destefano]

I was gonna say your brain develops.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. If you introduce drugs, pod, alcohol, cocaine, processed food. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, name a thing that's not good for us, that's not healthy for us that you introduce at a. The younger you introduce it and the more of it you can do consume at a young age, the more detrimental it is to you as adult.

[Sal Destefano]

No matter what brain, no matter what it molds itself after around these behaviors because it's changing and growing so much when you're a kid. I just had this conversation with Max Lugaver. I was down there in la. He just released my podcast with him and we talked and we actually had this great conversation. It was a short part of the podcast. Most of it was about health and fitness, but we talked about how we do really well. What humans do really well. Which isn't great is we'll take something, we'll take one segment of it that we like a lot and we'll concentrate the hell out of it and make everything about that thing. That one thing, for example. Food. Food has a lot of value. There's a lot of values around food. There's nourishment, there's for health, there's for athletic performance, there's connecting with other people. And then there's also the pleasure of eating it. Those are all real values. What do we do? We take the pleasure of eating it and magnify the hell out of that and kind of ignore everything else. It's what we create as heavily processed food. That's what heavily processed food is. You look at human connection, human connection. Tons of value around human connection. One of the value is that you just know people and you can talk to them. So what do we do? We process that and turn it into social media. So now we're more connected to more people, but more lonely than ever. We did the same thing with sex. It's got all these values. One of them is this dopamine. Hit this like instant whatever. We magnified the hell out of it and ignored everything else. And we turned it into.

[Doug]

We made it all about the body.

[Sal Destefano]

Made it all about the lust part. And this is. That's pornography. It's processed food. Version of. Of sex, essentially. And so that's where you get. You get all kinds of dysfunction. Yeah. You know, that's why I think if they take fitness and they figure out how to create a pill that makes you jacked and lean, we're screwed. Not us. Screwed. People are screwed. They have no idea. You know, it's just how detrimental that's going to be.

[Adam Schafer]

You know what I feel is really controversial to say in talking about this topic and how I feel. That's how I feel about even something like sugar. When you look at how sugar is found and it's. It's natural. Like the way you would get it. Okay. Is so difficult to process the amount.

[Sal Destefano]

I know.

[Adam Schafer]

And not only have we justified that as. As adults and humans, but we encourage it and give it to children. And the way it acts on the brain for a child in comparison to what it acts. And it's so funny and it's so cute. And we all do it for. And it's. I mean, for sure. Introduced at an extremely young age and then consistently given. And then we use it to reward their brains for doing said thing. Like. But it's not talked about because it's sugar. It's good. It's cake. It's all this, it's all this stuff that we have justified is so good. But it's like, man, you talk about. We figured out how to engineer the. Out of that to make it like cocaine for the brain. And then we give it to our kids.

[Sal Destefano]

What was that once that Adam used to mention the whole time? Like how much sugar cane you would have to eat.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. In order to get the amount that's in a soda can, which is like 35 grams or 50 grams of sugar. Eight feet of like sugar cane.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Like a panda bear is like the only person that could like do that. Right.

[Doug]

Stomach couldn't even process all that fiber.

[Sal Destefano]

You couldn't chew it.

[Adam Schafer]

Dude. And you're only talking about a 35. Whatever soda can is. I think soda cans. 35 or 50 grams of sugar. And we, we, you know, give these kids this. And it's crazy to think that that's not changing their behavior.

[Sal Destefano]

This is why when you stick to a whole food diet, you tend to eat appropriately. You just tend to. You don't have to try necessarily. The only thing you have to try to do is avoid processed food. And that alone makes most people would fall within a body weight. Especially if you combine it with exercise. That's kind of okay just from doing that alone. You mentioned sugar. The three Big components in nature for palatability are sugar, salt, and fat. All three of those are difficult to come by. Salt is actually nature difficult to come by. In fact, they used to do wars over that. Wars over that.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Fat. You had to kill a big animal. Yeah. Not even a small animal you kill. A squirrel or a rabbit doesn't have that money. You have to go. You have to go learn how to hunt. Yeah. And then sugar. Until we learn how to, like, you know, plant things or whatever, go out in nature and go find a bunch of sugar. Yeah, you gotta go.

[Adam Schafer]

And even then, you need. Then you need tools to fit, like, new age tools to be able to strip it from the. The bamboo, like, sticks.

[Sal Destefano]

It grows.

[Adam Schafer]

And like, you're not doing that Even. Even if you could go g it, as in a human back in the days, like, to. To whittle that down.

[Sal Destefano]

Well, the most concentrated form is honey. Like, go get. Go ahead. Go grab a bunch of honey. In nature. You got. You better go get through some. Some bees, dude.

[Doug]

Well, even the fruit, I mean, we've. We've, you know, selectively adapted and engineered the fruits so it's like, it produces bigger dude. Amounts of sugar, fructose.

[Sal Destefano]

It's been a long time. We brought that up. There are old paintings that are like 300 or 400 years old.

[Doug]

It was like, small of fruit, bitter.

[Sal Destefano]

You could look these up, everybody. These are paintings. They're realistic paintings. So these are artists that they weren't distorting or they made like, real nice, artistic paintings. And these are fruit, and they're sliced in half, and they're full of seeds, and there's very little meat. They look almost nothing like the fruit that we have now. Totally different.

[Doug]

It's like all vitamins.

[Sal Destefano]

You know.

[Adam Schafer]

We'Ve just solved all these things.

[Sal Destefano]

Things.

[Doug]

It's like I. As humans, we love it. You know, it's like, how can we.

[Adam Schafer]

Get more of it?

[Doug]

And like, we've solved that problem that we thought was a problem, created a problem.

[Sal Destefano]

Have you guys had cotton candy? Grapes?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

It tastes like cotton candy. What did we do?

[Adam Schafer]

Delicious. Yeah, I know. Actually, the story behind that's actually really crazy. So there's a. I forget who the guy who did it is. Who?

[Justin Andrews]

He. He's.

[Adam Schafer]

There's. I want to say he's from Florida, but you can Google the cotton candy. The story behind the cotton candy grapes. But it's like somebody figured out. Yeah, somebody figured that out. Somebody figured that out by crossing certain strains to get that kind of flavor.

[Sal Destefano]

Well, when I Was a kid. I don't know if you guys remember this when I was a kid. So we're Southern Italian, and there's certain fruits that we love to eat, and one of them is watermelon. It's like a big thing. In the summer, we'd slice up. It used to be full of seeds. I used to have to spit out the. See, it was when I was a kid. And I remember my dad's like, you can eat the seeds. And I'm like, okay, whatever. You don't get seeds in watermelon anymore. Plenty of water. They're all. That was us engineering the hell out of this thing to make it have less seeds in it. Yeah, I don't remember seedless water. What you got there, Doug?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. So they cross pollinated Concord, like grapes with a sweet, seedless California grape. And then you got the sugar taste.

[Adam Schafer]

Was it a guy from Florida? That was a guy from Florida.

[Justin Andrews]

I'm not sure.

[Adam Schafer]

I just. I remember reading this. I was so fascinated. The very first time someone gave me one of those, I was like, they. They called it that, by the way.

[Justin Andrews]

I wanted to mention, too. Sugar cane. You can actually chew it up. And that's actually popular in some countries. They cut up pieces of sugar cane. You chew it. It's very fibrous the hell out of it, though. Yeah. And you spit out the fiber. But you get this kind of sweet water juice.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

It's actually really tasty.

[Sal Destefano]

You got like three grams of sugar.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, yeah. You're not getting much.

[Justin Andrews]

You're not getting much sugar at all.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I think the. I think you would have to chew 8. I believe the stat that I read was 8ft of it to equate to like.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, yeah, that makes sense.

[Adam Schafer]

Makes total sense.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Like, you'd have to chew eight feet.

[Justin Andrews]

I mean, they take actually whole stalks of sugar cane. They run. Run them through a press. This is in Vietnam.

[Adam Schafer]

Okay.

[Justin Andrews]

And the juice comes down, they fill a little plastic bag, and they poke a straw in the top with a rubber band.

[Sal Destefano]

You just drink it.

[Justin Andrews]

It's like two or three stalks of sugar cane in a little bag of liquid. So that would make sense that it would equal like a Coke.

[Sal Destefano]

Wow. You know, it's funny. Markets do this. Anytime we have a market for something, we do a really good job of giving it ourselves what we want the most. And one market. I was reading this article. Have you guys heard of. It's a term now. It's called scromiting. Have you heard of this? This is A. This is a disorder.

[Adam Schafer]

Your scrotum.

[Sal Destefano]

No, you're vomiting on your scrotum. Totally scromity right now. How sick are you right now?

[Adam Schafer]

Dude, I just.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, crap.

[Doug]

Dang.

[Sal Destefano]

Dude.

[Doug]

I'll give you a moment.

[Sal Destefano]

No, no. So. So scromming is there. It used to be a very rare occurrence, but they're seeing it more and more. So this is what it is. This is a condition where people will consume high doses, frequent high doses of cannabis and they'll develop a disorder where they vomit uncontrollably. Oh my gosh. And it's terrible. It's terrible. Like people will vomit for like days and they have to go to the hospital as a result. And the reason why I'm bringing this up, by the way, it's becoming more of a thing is because cannabis became largely legalized and they have to be.

[Adam Schafer]

Dabbing in order to do that. That's what that will cost, bro.

[Sal Destefano]

What's happened is concentrated. Yeah. Our market people are like, oh, cool weed. Can you make it as strong as possible? And so every year it just gets stronger and stronger.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, I shared this, the history on it. So back in the day, in the 60s and 70s, really high strong THC weed was like 7. Maybe the peak or record was like 11.

[Sal Destefano]

You can't even find that.

[Adam Schafer]

No, you can't. That's what we would call. Nobody would call it dirt weed today. Yeah. So that was considered like super, super high then. Like even in, in our generation era, like it was a big deal to see weed that was hitting 2021. That was a big deal. Like typically 15 to 18% THC was high.

[Sal Destefano]

Very. That's in your cannabis club.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. And then the clubs got to the point where you're starting to. Your people were cross pollinating and learning how to get, get it to 2021. Then you started seeing like numbers like 25. Then they started.

[Sal Destefano]

You could.

[Adam Schafer]

Or they did this a long time ago. You could concentrate to hashish. Hashish would be like 25, 30% THC levels or something like that. Dabbing and extracts, where you started using things like butane and stuff like that to pull it out. You could get it up to like 99, 97 THC. So you're talking about something that is almost a hundred times stronger than like what it's like in its natural form. And it's just. Yeah, no, comatose is somebody when they, when they hit. Not to mention all the chemicals and the other that. And I know you can do bubble hash and water.

[Sal Destefano]

You know what it does to the mind, by the way, over time. If you smoke it regularly, it does cause low levels of psychosis and paranoia versus change. How you start to think, think over time. So even people who are like, I just use it at night, you know, but you've been doing it for years and years and years. It's definitely changing and molding your brain, which, you know, back, back in the day it was like, oh, weed's not that big of a deal. People just weren't doing it like they are now and they weren't doing the strength.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, it's like how well you start this conversation. It's like we, what have we done with everything is like, you know, it starts off as the introduction of it.

[Doug]

And I like this part. How can I get more of this?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, more push it. It doesn't help too. In the narrative around, it ends up, you know, kind of switching to all this positive because like I, I mean I remember being a part of that. I remember being a part of like, yeah, there's benefits. Yeah, there used to be a stigma around smoking. Yeah. And then, you know, and then we went real hard on all the, the positive things of it. And don't get me wrong, there, there is, I mean I was a part of, I watched people come in that, in, in wheelchairs and with arthritis and eating stuff, eating, trouble eating. I had a lot of people that I got a chance up, but a lot paled in comparison to the material.

[Sal Destefano]

That's not the market.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, the market was 90% of people that were just what's the strongest thing you have? You know what I'm saying? Like, it wasn't like there was. Very rarely did I and I, in what we prided ourselves on, on those clubs when we had those, we, we were trying to serve the, the, the you know, 70 year old grandma who's never tried it before with arthritis and educate her through the process. And you know, we had this little, tiny, little blonde girl at the front door that greeted you when you came in. Not the intimidating security card like everybody did. So we were really trying to be the other side of serving the people that it was helping. And even then I had, that was my percentage.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, my, my, my, my opinion on cannabis legalization totally changed. I mean if you listen to the podcast long enough, you know, I was a huge proponent of legalization and now I see that I thought I bought into this. I thought more people are not going to use it if it's legal. I thought that it just more it's not Going to change how many people. That's not true. Use has already exploded every time.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, but don't you. It's still too early, Sal. It's still, it's still new. It's still. I think for it to play out the way you're saying, I don't necessarily think you're wrong with that original statement.

[Sal Destefano]

How long we have to wait?

[Adam Schafer]

50 years.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, geez.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh yeah. I think something like that. I think it takes a generation of growing up within real and seeing like. Because here's what's going to happen. There's a. There's a generation of kids right now that were. That are probably. Probably your guys's teenage kids age that grew up around kids that fully adopted it and their parents don't even care because it was told so positive about it. And then there's some kids are gonna be like yeah, I don't really want to do it. And then it's not gonna be till they see their lives kind of unfold and they go. They start to make the connections of like man, those kids that smoked weed all the time, you know, and where parents let them do it. Like wow. And then, then I think the next generation gets wise. Yeah. So I just think what you're saying, like we're still in the. It's cool, you know, and it's better than these other things. And so. Yeah, I don't know. I think, I think we'll see. We'll see what it looks like and.

[Sal Destefano]

Say, you know, earlier we were talking about honey. I've been reading a lot about and mgo which let me pull it up. I got some studies on it.

[Adam Schafer]

Isn't that the main thing that makes the Manuka honey special is the mgo?

[Sal Destefano]

The company we work with, Manukora has the highest concentration of Mgl you'll find in any Manukora. So Manukura honey is very high in mgo. Compared to other forms of honey, Manukora is the highest that you'll find. But it's so I didn't know this. Did you guys know that NGO is one of the few things that can actually fight a antibiotic resistant bacteria? That's how antibacterial it is. It helps prevent gastric ultras from ulcer. Excuse me, from H. Pylori. So with frequent consumption it's linked to lower risk. It's good for oral health, reducing plaque, gingivitis and periodontal disease. That's wild by targeting.

[Adam Schafer]

What's wild about that is that people know about sugar for the teeth. Is so bad. But yet honey is protective.

[Sal Destefano]

That's because sugar feeds bad bacteria that destroy your teeth. But MGO is antibacterial.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

And it's. And it's way more powerful. It's got activity against MRSA in wounds. You know, a few things.

[Adam Schafer]

Do you think before we had, like, things like Neosporin, so that. That's probably what we like.

[Sal Destefano]

Honey.

[Adam Schafer]

Aloe vera and honey. Aloe vera and honey is probably what we rubbed all over cuts and burns and stuff. Huh.

[Sal Destefano]

So it's pretty. It's good for. Like I said, good for inflammation, digestive health. So this is like, you know, eat a tablespoon of this. I do post workout. And it's good for gut health and good for inflammation. All those things. It's like. It's like a superfood.

[Adam Schafer]

That's awesome.

[Sal Destefano]

If there ever was a superfood.

[Adam Schafer]

So remind me to. Where's. Where is it mainly from? There's that they get New Zealand. New Zealand.

[Sal Destefano]

New Zealand.

[Adam Schafer]

Is that the only place they can get it from? Is that where it's predominantly.

[Sal Destefano]

That's a good question. I think it might be the only place that's. That's a really good question. Oh, yeah. I'm not sure. Yeah. Anyway, I got. So one of our trainers was listening to our podcast live today, and she told me something that I thought was a great idea if you're a trainer or coach listening. It was Mary. Right? Mary's the one that made that.

[Adam Schafer]

She made a comment, but I actually didn't hear what the comment was. I just heard you go, oh, that's a really good idea.

[Sal Destefano]

So this is what she said. She's a trainer. She's actually part of our course. So people listening. We have trainers here right now that are getting mentored and coached by our coaches to help them build their business. So they're actually go off work on their own. But they're learning from some of our best coaches. And she said that she's been doing this while listening to the podcast. And it's. It's. It's a really great way for her to learn so she'll hear us answer or I should say, help people on the podcast. So people call in with their fitness and health questions. When we're about to give our answer, she hits pause. She thinks or writes down what her answer is to see if she matches up with us.

[Adam Schafer]

Smart.

[Sal Destefano]

Like as a way to test herself.

[Adam Schafer]

Right. That's great.

[Sal Destefano]

I thought that was great.

[Doug]

That's such a smart.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, I think that's so great.

[Adam Schafer]

A great way to. Great way to train yourself how to do that. That reminds me.

[Sal Destefano]

That's real life. That's like a real people that have.

[Adam Schafer]

That reminds me of the tip that I heard her mosey give. When it comes to, like, memorizing a script, I'd never heard this before where you have like a. You know, you have a script that has, I don't know, say 35 to 50 words on it or whatever. And he goes, you read it all the way through one time, and then you X out one word, read it through the whole time with that one word missing. And then you exit a second and he goes, by the time you make it all the way through, you will have that thing. Sure. And it makes total sense.

[Sal Destefano]

It does.

[Adam Schafer]

It's like you. You're gonna have to have repeated that 35 to 50 times each time you're only. Yeah. Each time you're only xing out one or blacking out one word.

[Sal Destefano]

I like that.

[Adam Schafer]

I like it a lot, too. I was like, I wish someone would told me that in school or taught me that. I was like, that's a really smart strategy to memorize, like a short scripture that. I love that for learning, like, how you communicate. I think fitness is. I mean, if I was a trainer, I mean, I've always talked about how, I mean, a part of this. The motivation behind when we first started this was, you know, what was inspired by what we would have liked to have had as trainers. I think. I think at this stage, if I'd been listening to us for a long time, the. The Q A is what I would get the most of.

[Sal Destefano]

Totally.

[Adam Schafer]

Like, I like you guys like us, you know, and it's like, but if I'm a trainer and I'm, like, working a lot of hours, and I know I don't have time to probably listen to all the podcasts, like, The Q&As is where I would totally.

[Doug]

Yeah, well, because it makes it so easy. I mean, back in the day, we just would know certain trainers that had specialties, because a lot of times there'd be questions that are like, okay, well, I kind of know, but I know that my friend Dennis, like, he deals with this a lot more than me, and I'm gonna ask him this. And so to have, like a whole library to. To then, like, plug in and find out that subject matter and see how, you know, we kind of go through that with our experience.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, this is why, if you guys aren't familiar with what Eli is building on the back end in the school app. Why? I think that's going to become one of the most valuable things. So our elite trainer group. Okay, that or that's in the school app. He's building all the Q, all The Q&As that we've done through categories.

[Sal Destefano]

So you can click on one?

[Adam Schafer]

Yes. So it's like you got a client, you got a client related, that's fat loss. You got a client related reverse diet. You have somebody that struggles with an eating disorder, whatever, there's categories. And then we've done so many that it's like you can listen to five different ways. We've communicated that topic to five different types of.

[Sal Destefano]

Well, one of the things that makes a good trainer a really good trainer isn't that they give the right answers necessarily. Giving the right answers is like the baseline. So if to be a good trainer you should have more often than not the right answers or can find the right answer. How you communicate those answers is how you get buy in and how you coach that person through it. Right. Because you know, exercise, strength, train, eat protein. Oftentimes it's the same advice that you'll give people. You can of course individualize it, but it's how do I communicate this and then how do I coach this person through the process? That's what makes a trainer really good. It's that the clients follow it and then they like it and it's a good relationship that they enjoy and then they end up doing it on their own afterwards. And that's the coaching aspect. I think if you listen to us, you know, helping people, that's the part that I would say pay attention to.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, it's also the part I think we get most criticized from our peers by. Because, because it's. We sound like the no cardio guys or it sounds like there's, you know, for beginners only or it's like, no, it's what's happened. What you hear is, you know, 60 plus years of communicating to people and realizing like, hey, if we had to distill it down to a handful of things that we know impact 90% of the people significantly in their lives, let's really communicate that hard and then we can sprinkle in the. That we our knowledge around the other stuff, but we're really going to drive.

[Sal Destefano]

So speaking to that, Adam, there was a statistic I learned years ago managing big box gems. So this was probably, probably 1999 or 2000. And I remember it was in this big meeting with other managers and we had upper management and they Showed stats on how many people or what percentage of the population goes to gyms. And it wasn't a big, I don't remember what the percentage. It wasn't big.

[Adam Schafer]

It was less than 4% back then.

[Sal Destefano]

It just wasn't big. And what he showed was basically what happens when new gyms open or there's competing companies is they just pull members from each other. But the reason why they brought this up is they were like, nobody's effectively reaching the rest of the population. There's a big segment of population nobody's able to touch. Now, at the time there was a company called Curves that actually did a decent job of it. Now they didn't do a great job keeping them, and that's a whole nother story, but they were actually reaching people that had basically said, I'm not interested.

[Adam Schafer]

Fastest growing fitness chain in history still to this day.

[Sal Destefano]

Right. So. And it inspired me as a trainer and I think it inspired even my attitude here with the podcast, which is I'm more interested in getting the average person who has not figured out how to make this a part of their life. I'm interested in that person more than I am in the fitness fanatic. Yeah, I'm not as interested.

[Adam Schafer]

The irony of that, though is that even the person. Because I would consider all of us fitness fanatics.

[Sal Destefano]

Right.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, it's what we talk about all day. But the, the stuff that we teach and apply to our own lives is still applicable. It's not. Of course it's not. It's like it's still, it's still the truth. It's still what's ideal. It's still, it's like now maybe there's been times in my life where I decide I'm going to get crazy and get on stage and it's like, and then those other layers of like, knowledge and discipline and all those extra things come into play. But when I look at my life as a whole of trying to stay healthy, I'm still that person too. Yet I consider myself a fitness fanatic because I do talk about it all day long. It's a part of my life. So I think even a lot of people that would identify as fitness people still should just kind of really focus on those basics and not get in the weeds with a lot of the other stuff.

[Doug]

Yeah, that's why I think we probably get the criticism because we look through a long term lens and I think that most fitness professionals, even people that follow the studies and are very like textbook savvy and have this crazy Academic background can solve what the. What the client is asking, but they're not looking at what they need.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And so.

[Sal Destefano]

Good way to say it.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

It's.

[Doug]

That's a completely different approach.

[Sal Destefano]

I remember talking to Ben Greenfield, our good friend, who. I mean, he's been in the space for a long time, and he's like, I started getting into cutting edge, and I started running out of things to talk about. He's like, I had to get more cutting edge and more cutting edge and more cutting edge. I'm like, I'm not interested in that. I think it's cool. It's interesting. But I'm trying to help people here.

[Adam Schafer]

And I. I still remember that conversation with him because I remember that because he. He had been doing it for years before us, and we were, like, so curious to, like, you know, how come you don't really talk a lot about. He's like, man, I talked about that for a long time, and then I got bored just talking about that. And so then I was into the next stuff. And then. And it just kept.

[Doug]

He just kept to follow his interests.

[Sal Destefano]

Right. And he kept drifting away from, like, the average person. Yeah. You know, who needs his help.

[Adam Schafer]

And there's definitely a he. I mean, he's got an incredible community of people that are super interested in all that, but. And he is the great. I think he's one of the best people, in my opinion, to test that stuff because he checks the boxes and all the other things. But for the average person, it's just like. Yeah, that stuff is like. There's. There's, like, three simple things for you to do if you just do that.

[Sal Destefano]

I'm going to change directions here real quick because, you know, Butcherbox was talking to, you know, people that manage our account, talking about how popular the Mind Pump box is. Did you hear this?

[Doug]

Oh, yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

It's a really popular box that people are going and get. Doug, what is. What are the cuts in the m. These are our favorite cuts. So I know there's tri tip in there. I think the nuggets are in there.

[Doug]

Apparently people agree with us on all the things.

[Adam Schafer]

I think.

[Justin Andrews]

Was it ribs?

[Adam Schafer]

I want to say it took. Yeah, it ribs. It's. It literally.

[Sal Destefano]

I think it's all the ones that we like.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

And so it's a specific box for the cuts that we like.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, it's doing well because I think everybody, like, okay, we've been getting these boxes for, I don't know how long. We've all had most years, most everything. From there. And everybody has a favorite thing or two. What are the things that are in our box? Are you looking at it? Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's ribs. Chicken nuggets.

[Doug]

I want steak tips, flat iron.

[Justin Andrews]

Steaks, maybe.

[Doug]

Okay, yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Look it up, because I know tri tip has to be in there.

[Adam Schafer]

I know, I know. Ribs was my man. That's like a staple for me. First to get the ribs from there. I stock up all the time.

[Sal Destefano]

You're like, the ribs master.

[Adam Schafer]

Those. It's those ribs I have. I'm not the. I am not the ribs master. I have cooked all kinds of. There's been times when I'm out of butcherbox ribs and I have to go buy ribs from someone else. And I have. I have my formula and recipe to like making a lot of the. The meat that I cook in the smoker, like, down to the minute, science degree, everything. Right. And I have tried multiple times.

[Sal Destefano]

Is it because it's heritage pork?

[Adam Schafer]

That's what I asked before. If that, like, does that make that big of a difference on the tenderness and the flavor and the way they taste? Because I now Katrina, of course, she's my wife. She's sweet. She says things like, oh, no, Donnie, these are good. It's like, no. Like, I can tell there's a huge difference between that.

[Justin Andrews]

Doug, I'm sorry.

[Sal Destefano]

You find it?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, I did. So it's ribeyes, chicken thighs, strip steak tips, ribs, chicken nuggets, flat iron.

[Sal Destefano]

That's what it was. It was a steak tip that I put in there, and that's it.

[Justin Andrews]

I will agree that there's something different about those ribs because I did it for a friend of mine. He said, these are the best ribs I've ever had.

[Sal Destefano]

I can't figure out the heritage pork.

[Justin Andrews]

It's got to be the pork.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, is that so uncommon, though? Is it that uncommon to do most grocery store baby back ribs not. Have not.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. I seriously doubt they do.

[Adam Schafer]

Okay.

[Justin Andrews]

The average stores.

[Adam Schafer]

And do you know the difference between heritage pork and.

[Justin Andrews]

I think it's the feed, largely, and how they're raised. So a lot of pigs are just given a lot of crap.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

And I'm not sure about the butcher box pigs, but I know that some are.

[Adam Schafer]

I know it's labeled heritage pork, and I know that's unique. What I don't know is, like, what that entails. Does that mean they get a certain type of feed for so long? Does that mean they're not fattened up a certain way? Like, I don't understand it, but I know from, I know the flavor. I've cooked a lot of ribs and I've. I've cooked a lot of non butcher box ribs and I still cannot unlock being able to cook other ribs to as good as I cook those ribs. It's night and day difference.

[Sal Destefano]

So it's a different genetics, they're different types.

[Adam Schafer]

So it's like a different breed of pig.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. And farming practices are different, nutrition is different. So they're from traditional older pig breeds.

[Adam Schafer]

Interesting.

[Sal Destefano]

Often called heritage breeds that have been preserved for their genetic diversity, hardiness and historical significance.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, wow.

[Sal Destefano]

So these include varieties like Berkshire Durac, Red Wattle, Tamworth and Glucose Glucoster Shire Old spot. Yeah. So these all originated before modern industrial farming. Regular pork comes from hybrid breeds optimized for large size production. So breeding and raising methods.

[Adam Schafer]

Okay, so that makes a lot of sense.

[Sal Destefano]

So they're considered superior in flavor due to higher intramuscular fat. That's why they have more marble.

[Adam Schafer]

That explains the marbling. Because all the other ribs I always buy, they're always a little bit bigger. Yeah, they're always a little bit bigger than the other ones. Right. So then I always got to cook a little bit.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. Regular pork, it says here, is blander, milder and less complex.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

So just less.

[Adam Schafer]

Exactly. Yeah, that's exactly nails it. This is exactly what I have figured out with this. Just like those drip off this, they have high.

[Sal Destefano]

So it's got more fat in it. Right. But it's got higher levels of beneficial fats. Higher in omega threes because of their pasture diets, vitamins and minerals due to diverse foraging and natural. So it is also, not only is it tastier, but it's got more nutrients like omega threes in there. Well, there you go.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, Huge win.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. I'm not a pork fan, but I've had your ribs and they're good.

[Doug]

Delicious.

[Adam Schafer]

They're on another level. Good. And I, and I now that makes so much sense now because I've been like, what am I not doing? What am I not doing to make up for that, that flavor difference? And I've always noticed that they're. The other ones are a little bit bigger. They're like, they're always a little bit bigger than the baby back ribs that I get from Butcherbox, but they just never taste as good. They don't ever taste as good, dude. Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Well, there you go, dude.

[Adam Schafer]

That makes a lot of sense.

[Sal Destefano]

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[Justin Andrews]

First question is from Leslie Brook W.S. my 10 year old daughter struggles with the mechanics of a barbell row. What could I replace it with for now?

[Sal Destefano]

Oh yeah. Barbell row is difficult because you have to bend over, support your body while doing the row, which makes it harder. Yeah. And it's harder to get the scapular retraction and the squeeze. If you have access to a seated row or a cable row, that's the, the easiest way to get the mechanics. If you're stuck with free weights, you could do a one arm dumbbell row with your hand on the bench, knee on the bench, nice, good posture. Then you can get that shoulder blade to come over the back at that scapular retraction.

[Adam Schafer]

Even do dumbbells. You do dumbbells here? You could do a T bar row. Daughter sometimes is a little uncomfortable.

[Sal Destefano]

Chest support. It can be hard for girls.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, girl. It could be, it could be a little more tender year old girl. They'll probably be okay. T bar row would probably be a good option here. Yeah. Really there's, there's a lot of different options I think I like best. Out of everything you said though, single dumbbell row is probably.

[Sal Destefano]

That's the one I always go to.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. The most fundamental good one to teach the key with that is like really teaching good mechanics in it. Because what you'll find is when, when, when a kid, or anybody for this matter, but in particular a young kid trying to learn how to lift is in that position where they're leaning over. The gravity is like pulling their scapula over and you got to learn to teach them to as they row to pull that.

[Sal Destefano]

You know what I do? I'll put the bench on a low incline so I raise it just enough like this and they can put their hand on or I'll raise it up higher and they put their elbow on it to put them in a better position. Yeah, but, but what you, what you want with the row is obviously you're rowing the weight so you want the bar to come up. But what you want are the shoulder blades to come back together and down. So you want to avoid shrugging and you will want to avoid the scapula remaining forward. So it looks like this kind of forward shoulder as they're rowing. That's poor mechanics. So you want everything to come back.

[Adam Schafer]

One of the things I might teach with someone that that's this young too is go get like really light dumbbells that they're just like 10 pound dumbbells they're holding and get behind them and actually put them in position. Put them in position so that like they're, they're, they're in almost in the exact same position they will be in for a barbell row. But they're holding these independent weights that I can then get behind them and actually articulate their scapula back and forth. And like tell her, okay, drive your elbows back. And then I actually will take her scapula and then squeezing like, no, this is what I mean by back. Feel that? Then she like, oh, okay, then I'll let her come forward then. Okay, pour. And then once she gets that, okay, this is what I'm supposed to feel. Okay, now I can grab a barbell and now I can do that movement.

[Doug]

Yeah, I went through this actually recently with my son and two to just get into that position where he's like at that 45 degree, had him hold on to the squat rack with one hand and do it with a dumbbell on the other. So it's like at least he can solidify that position. Hold, embrace properly so he's supporting his lower back. And then we go through that with the mechanics and then, you know, eventually we'll get to the barbell.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Next question. Question is from Nancy Holmes. Once you've chased strength, focused on how you feel, sleep, libido and all that is good, but your aesthetics have not caught up. What should you do next?

[Adam Schafer]

Be patient.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, you keep going.

[Adam Schafer]

Be patient. The point people think this is like an overnight thing or that's going to happen. It takes a long time or, or.

[Sal Destefano]

They think, oh, cool, I'm going to do the things you guys said. And then once I see some of that now, I'm going to focus on aesthetics. The aesthetics follow. That's right, the aesthetics follow.

[Doug]

It'll reveal itself.

[Adam Schafer]

The other stuff, never stop focusing on those things. You always keep focusing on those things. And the esthetics will follow. You don't have to go chase the esthetics. You keep focusing on those things. And if those things keep Staying good or keep improving the esthetics will.

[Sal Destefano]

That's right.

[Doug]

You ever see that one meme where the guy's digging, you know, and then on the other side of this, this hole is like treasure, but he just stops, like, right. You know, a couple inches before is what I think of.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. Now the part could be diet. You know, sometimes, you know, you're getting stronger and whatever, and you might just need to tighten up your diet a little bit. Yeah, diet can definitely play a big role in aesthetics. But honestly, what I probably think is happening is you're just, you just got to keep going.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, diet's a good point though, Sal, because if you, if you were just like, I'm not really worried about diet. I'm just going to focus on getting stronger, working on my sleep, my libido, strength training. Properly focus on those things. Eating, eating well, can, can start to do all that. But then if you don't consistently hit your protein intake right now and eat whole foods, that could be the next layer to this. If you're not already doing that. But if you're doing that, then it's just a matter of time. If you consistently hit your protein intake, you eat mostly whole foods, and you keep focusing on the sleep libido and like that, the aesthetics will follow. They just will.

[Justin Andrews]

Next question is from Ryan W. Richards. It's been a while since you spoke about the benefits of full spectrum cbd. Do you still find benefits based on emerging emerging research or has it become overhyped?

[Sal Destefano]

The overhype period is over. There was a period there where they were like, CBD soap. I think I saw CBD shoes, shirts. It's like, what. How does that.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, it was, oh, it's overhyped because it works. I mean, geez. I've been, I've been using the CBD a lot lately. I'm trying to improve and work on my sleep. I haven't had good sleep in a long time. One of the things I'm using right now is, is cbd. So. And it does help. So, I mean, I think the reason why, why something gets overhyped is because.

[Sal Destefano]

It has some value.

[Adam Schafer]

There's some value in effectively to it. And then if it, it can be mass produced like CBD can, it becomes. Then it becomes the cure all forever. You know what I'm saying? And so it dilutes because the quality.

[Doug]

Of all the companies that are producing it.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, no, so that's. I don't, I don't think we've changed our, our opinion on CBD at all. At least I haven't. I mean, I still. I'm.

[Sal Destefano]

CBD is interesting because. Because it. It enhances your body's. All of how your body's endocannabinoids operate or how you feel them. So you produce cannabinoids yourself in your body. Using CBD seems to enhance those ones that you naturally make. So CBDs, by itself, it's not psychoactive. It's not like THC or anything else. It doesn't. It doesn't have those effects, but it enhances the effects of your natural endocannabinoids. So what tends to happen with people is they just kind of feel better. It can help some people with anxiety, sleep inflammation, you know, those kinds of things. Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Next question is from Stacy Thomas Photography. Is it okay to bounce around programs depending on circumstances? I bounce around from Muscle Mommy Maps 15. Muscle Mommy 15 suspension or anabolic.

[Sal Destefano]

If it's how you can stay consistent, it's totally fine. Yeah. And I'm answering this because the person said depending on circumstances. So I'm assuming your Muscle Mommy is a time crunch. Suspension is because I'm at home. Right. Anabolics, when I got more time y. Which is totally fine. Now, ideally, in a perfect world, which doesn't exist, but in a perfect world, you would follow just a program. But if this is how you're able to stay consistent, this is great. There's nothing wrong with it whatsoever.

[Adam Schafer]

It's hard to add to that. It's that simple. It's like if you have the option and you'll consistently follow Maps Anaball the way it's laid out inside of a gym, just like that. You'll get more, like, you'll get more bang for your buck, but not at the cost of you not being able to do it sometimes because you're inconsistent and you have to train from home and could only use your suspension trainer. And so because of that bouncing from muscle, you know, muscle mommy 15 and suspension anabolic is complete. In fact, encouraged. If it was like, oh, my God, I can't get the gym and do anabolic, but what I can do is grab my suspension trainer. Do that. Is that okay? Like, yeah, hell yes, that's okay. That's great. And that's one of the things that will keep you somebody. Again, this is love changing that. You know, I'm the person who's following Maps Anabolic, too. I'm just somebody who works out three times a week.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, great.

[Adam Schafer]

You know, that's. I just work out three times a week. Now I love to try and follow Maps Anabolic all the time but sometimes I can't. Sometimes I only have 15 minutes. Sometimes I can just grab my suspension trainer and so that is an awesome, perfect way to live your life.

[Sal Destefano]

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