2756 : The 10 Best Breakfast Foods for Lean Muscle Gains

Summary

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Episode 2756 – The 10 Best Breakfast Foods for Lean Muscle Gains

Released: December 24, 2025 | Hosts: Sal Di Stefano, Adam Schafer, Justin Andrews, Doug Egge

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Episode Overview

This Mind Pump episode dives deep into the reality—and mythology—of breakfast foods for building lean muscle. Sal, Adam, and Justin break down the ten best breakfast foods for muscle gains, discuss the science behind protein requirements, share practical tips and personal routines, and answer callers' questions on real-world fitness struggles.
The hosts challenge conventional thinking on "breakfast food," stress the central role of protein in early meals, and bust common breakfast mistakes. The show is a mix of evidence-backed advice, fitness culture banter, and hands-on coaching.

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1. The Importance of Breakfast for Muscle Gains

Setting the Stage: Why Breakfast Matters

• Adam: “If you win breakfast, everything else gets a lot easier... the data shows it actually influences your blood sugar for the rest of the day as well, regardless of what you eat later on.” (03:53)
• Consistently missing protein at breakfast makes daily targets much harder to reach—especially for anyone chasing muscle, fat loss, or improved health.
• Sal: “You have to train yourself to build an appetite [in the morning]. It's beneficial for you... especially when you bring protein in the mix to keep your blood sugar managed throughout the day.” (06:24)

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2. Rethinking Breakfast: Breaking Food Dogma

• “No caveman rolled over and went, ‘I need to kick up some pancakes.’ We've been marketed to and conditioned that these foods are what we're supposed to eat at breakfast...” (Sal, 04:47)
• The core idea: You can eat any whole, nutritious foods for breakfast—not just the usual American options. Leftover protein and carbs from dinner make a great morning meal if you’re pressed for time.
• Quick Tip: Cook protein (like ground beef) the night before; heat it up for breakfast and add eggs for extra protein and a more traditional feel. (05:20)

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3. The “10 Best Breakfast Foods for Lean Muscle Gains” (06:24–16:10)

1. Eggs (Whole Eggs)

   • “Eggs are nature’s multivitamin... Whole eggs have a better effect on muscle building than egg whites do, even when they control for calories.” (Adam, 08:21)
   • But eggs alone usually aren’t enough unless you eat 6–8; most people have just 2–4.
   • Combine with other proteins (like ground beef) for a real protein punch.

2. Cottage Cheese

   • A classic bodybuilding staple, high in protein and very versatile.
   • Sal: “Cottage cheese and pineapple go together perfect.” (11:37)
   • Also great with sliced fruit, seeds, or nuts for creamier, sweeter bowls.

3. Greek Yogurt

   • Today’s favorite: convenient, high-protein, and easy to boost with whey protein or fruit for up to 50 grams per meal. (12:09–12:40)

4. Ground Beef

   • Already cooked from dinner, it’s fast to reheat and packs protein. Mix with eggs for even more gains. (13:09)

5. Berries

   • “Berries are a real superfood—high in fiber, taste great, low-calorie, full of nutrients.” (Adam, 14:33)

6. Oatmeal

   • Quick, filling, easy to protein-fortify with a scoop of whey. (14:55)

7. Grits and Other Starches

   • “Good for sensitive guts, gluten-free, and easy to digest. Grits, potatoes, instant rice—pick what digests best for you.” (15:19)

8. Potatoes (Hash Browns)

   • Traditional, filling, and can be paired with protein for a complete meal.

9. Protein Shake or Smoothie

   • Especially helpful for those who aren’t hungry in the morning—blend with berries and some fat (e.g., nut butter). (15:48)

10. Cooked Spinach or Other Veggies

    • Add to omelets, breakfast bowls, or even blended smoothies for volume and nutrients. (16:08)

Key Point: Mixing and matching these foods makes it easy to hit a 30–50g protein breakfast, which stabilizes blood sugar, controls cravings, and makes hitting total daily protein much more doable.

Adam: “If you start the day off with 30 to 50 grams of protein, you’re on track... your blood sugar is more stabilized throughout the day. For athletic performance, it’s better.” (16:12)

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4. Overcoming Common Breakfast Barriers

• Main Barrier: Lack of time.
  • Solution: “Double or triple your dinner protein, use leftovers for a ‘breakfast bowl’ with eggs and some carbs.” (Sal, 17:43)
• Appetite Issues:
  • Gradually introduce protein in the morning, even if it’s just a yogurt or shake, to “train hunger” over time. (06:24)
• Protein Myths:
  • “Most people, male or female, really struggle hitting that 30–50 grams right away. Playing catch-up the rest of the day is really, really difficult.” (Sal, 07:43)
• High Protein Diet: One gram per pound of target body weight is the show’s recurring standard.

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5. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “No caveman rolled over and said, ‘I need to kick up some pancakes.’” – Sal (04:47)
• “Eggs are nature’s multivitamin. It’s got the highest quality protein you’ll find...” – Adam (08:21)
• “Berries are a real superfood—they go with everything, and they’re low-calorie.” – Adam (14:33)
• “I like the food from the night before. I tend to have ground beef, rice, and maybe some berries—I’ll just, boom, pop it up, microwave.” – Adam (16:53)
• “Double or triple your dinner protein, use leftovers for a ‘breakfast bowl’ with eggs and some carbs.” – Sal (17:43)

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6. Call-Ins & Coaching Highlights

(59:00–78:00) Coaching Rapid-Fire

Topics include:

• Overcoming muscle fatigue: Often a result of inadequate calories and nutrients, especially in active men on TRT trying to gain muscle—solution: higher calories, more protein, foundational micronutrient supplementation, and resistance training.
• Post-weight-loss goal confusion: Switching focus from aesthetic/weight loss goals to performance-based training (e.g., strength or athleticism) is freeing and fun long-term.
• Habit change for sustainable fat loss: Focusing on consistent, manageable protein-centric meals and full-body strength routines rather than extreme restriction or excessive training volume.
• Getting started as a personal trainer: The best first steps are training friends/family (for free), accumulating real experience, using local networking, and focusing on relationships/influence versus technical knowledge alone.

See Time-Stamped Segments Below for Details

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7. Time-Stamped Segment Highlights

| Timestamp | Topic/Quote | |------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:53 | “If you win breakfast, everything else gets a lot easier…” (Adam introducing topic) | | 04:47 | “No caveman rolled over and said, ‘I need to kick up some pancakes.’” (Sal) | | 06:24 | “Breakfast is the easiest one to skip—but you have to train the appetite for it.” (Justin)| | 08:21 | “Eggs are nature’s multivitamin.” (Adam’s #1 breakfast food) | | 11:37 | “Cottage cheese and pineapple, perfect together.” (Sal) | | 12:09 | Greek yogurt & protein blends for quick, easy, high-protein parfaits | | 13:09 | Ground beef leftovers for fast, protein-packed breakfasts | | 14:31 | “Berries are a real superfood…” (Adam on high-fiber, low-cal foods) | | 14:55 | Oatmeal + protein powder: bodybuilding staple | | 15:19 | Grits, potatoes, and other digestible carb options, especially for sensitive guts | | 16:12 | Stabilizing blood sugar and mood with a high-protein breakfast | | 17:43 | “Double or triple your dinner protein…” (Sal’s tip for time-pressed mornings) | | 19:23 | Justin’s experience going from skipping breakfast to consistent energy after adding it | | 47:59 | New research: “One day a week of hard strength training maintains muscle in fit adults.” | | 49:04 | Reframing beginner progress and the ultra-low risk of “getting too big” | | 50:39 | Red light therapy and its mild body contouring/inflammation reduction effect | | 59:00+ | Coaching callers: tackling persistent fatigue, dietary mistakes, and training strategies |

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8. Additional Fitness & Lifestyle Banter

• AI, SpaceX, and Energy Infrastructure: The hosts riff on Elon Musk's business play, AI's energy bottleneck, and futuristic tech investments. (21:10–26:10)
• Home gyms, equipment “collecting,” 1980s nostalgia: Sharing favorite old-school gear and classic gym moments. (29:19–39:04)
• Parenting, Training Teens: Tips for connecting with teenagers through workout sessions, building trust, and reinforcing consistency and positive influence. (42:00–47:44)
• Trainer Career Advice: Stories and tips on building a local fitness business, word-of-mouth marketing, and leveraging free training for exposure (esp. for aspiring trainers/teachers). (94:00+)

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9. Coaching Callers: Key Takeaways

Fatigue Despite “Good Habits”

• Most fatigue cases stem from undereating—especially protein and total calories—plus potential nutrient deficiencies. Increasing both quickly leads to improved energy, strength, and recovery.

After Big Weight Loss: Next Goal?

• If you've been focused on weight loss forever, switch to a performance goal (strength, athletic ability) for a new and liberating challenge and mental reset.

Protein Intake for Large Individuals

• Even large, active men struggle to hit 200g protein/day. Four meals of 50g protein each, starting at breakfast, is a practical strategy.

Starting as a Home Trainer

• Get “reps” by training anyone you can, leverage local business owners for word-of-mouth, and focus on being a relationship builder more than a technical expert.

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10. Bottom Line: Breakfast for Lean Muscle Gains

• Build breakfast around high-protein, whole foods.
• Start with at least 30–50g protein, every morning, to set up your whole day for success.
• Don’t be fooled by cultural “breakfast food” rules—think ahead, use leftovers, and create meals you’ll look forward to.
• Protein is foundational: hitting your daily target is exponentially harder if you miss breakfast.

Adam: “If you don’t get that 30–50 grams right out the gate, playing catch up is really, really difficult.” (07:43)

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Recommended Episode for:

• Anyone wanting real, practical advice on building a muscle-supportive breakfast
• Those stuck in the “low protein, high carb” morning rut
• Fitness professionals seeking ideas for clients’ nutrition
• Listeners who want honest, science-backed, banter-filled fitness talk

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[Adam Schafer]

In our experience, the most difficult meal, the one that gets the day started, the one that sets the tone, that can make or break you breakfast. This is just true in coaching and in personal training, if you win breakfast, everything else gets a lot easier. By the way, the data shows it actually influences your blood sugar for the rest of the day as well, regardless of what you eat later on. So here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna talk about the 10 best breakfast foods for lean gains. Let's go.

[Sal Destefano]

I love this. I'm so glad you're doing this right now. I'm gonna send this to my. I just was hitting golf balls with my buddy this weekend and he was like asking me, like, what to do for breakfast foods. And then I also, I think I, I, I shared with Josh on my stories yesterday that I or last week I went on this rant about because people were asking about breakfast food ideas. Struggle with that. I'm like, you do realize, like it's been made up, right?

[Justin Andrews]

Such A category that people already assume. There's only like this amount of options.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, it's no caveman rolled over and went like, I need to kick up some pancakes. Like, no, dude. Like, he wouldn't kill an animal away for lunch. Yeah, he went. Killed an animal. And that's what he had for. It's like, we've. But that just shows you how well we've been marketed to and condition that these foods or this is what we're supposed to eat in the breakfast so much to where we have these cravings and things around that when it's like, man, nothing stops you from the ground beef and rice that you had for dinner just now becomes breakfast. And if you want to make it feel a little breakfast, he crack some eggs over the top of it. You know what I'm saying?

[Adam Schafer]

No, we've been speaking. You've been speaking that to that for a long time. But I mean, there are some challenges. You know, time. People tend to not give themselves much time in the morning.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Appetite. You know, some people will say they're not super hungry in the morning, but you know, here's the deal. Like if you'll hear us preach the value of eating a high protein diet and the data on this is, is pretty good. It's actually very good. Some, some of the best data on diet is on high protein. And it shows that, you know, high protein diet does better for most people. For most goals, fat loss, muscle gain, health. It just does well. And high, high protein builds muscle better and burns body fat a bit more effectively, tends to produce more satiety. But the challenge is, you know, if you're 150 pound female and you're aiming for 130 grams of protein a day, that means your breakfast should be about 30 to 40 grams of protein. Otherwise you're gonna have two meals with 70. 70 grams of protein each meal. Good luck.

[Caller 1]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. So getting the day started is difficult and this is where people tend to screw up. So a lot of the foods on this list are high protein. Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

And I just want to speak to. Because like I used to be the person that's like, I mean, breakfast is the easiest one to skip all the time because of that fact. Like, I don't really need it per se, but it's something you have to train. Like, I literally had to train myself to start like slowly introducing it, like eating just little bits and then expand from there. But you build an appetite like you build a hunger for it. And it's, it's beneficial for you to Especially when you, like, bring protein in the mix there to keep your blood sugar managed throughout the day as well. So there's a of, lot, lot of benefit to it. I think the intermittent fasting thing really kind of like got away from us.

[Sal Destefano]

It's so, it's so hard to. And I get it if intermittent fasting is working for you to control weight gain and it's, it's, it's made your life better healthier than. I'm not telling someone to stop doing that, but most people that are either plateaued or can't see a change in their physique and they're intermittent fasting or they're skipping breakfast, have a really hard time hitting the protein intake. And just like I was explaining to my buddy, it's like, who's working out five, six days in his, in his garage doing these, doing this stuff. And I'm like, you're, you're doing all this work to do this, but then you're giving your body 60 grams of protein a day. Like it ain't gonna build any muscle now. You're burning calories, lubricating the joints, you're moving, getting the heart rate up a little bit.

[Adam Schafer]

Those are all better than nothing.

[Sal Destefano]

That's better than nothing, right? That's, that's, that's good for you. But with the bit. The most beneficial part of strength training is the ability to pack muscle on your body. Training because of its protective issues, because of how much it increases your metabolic rate, because of the metabolic flexibility that you get from it, like strength you get from it, like, but you can't get that if you don't give it the materials that it needs to go build that. And that really, in my opinion, in my experience, starts with breakfast. I don't care, male, female, who it is. All clients have always struggled with hitting protein. And if they don't, if they don't get that 30 to 50 grams right out the gate, playing catch up is really, really difficult.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, like I said, if you're, if you're a woman, amy, even for 100 grams of protein a day, which for most women would not be the target that we're looking at. Right. The target we tend to preach here is about 1 gram per pound of target body weight. So unless you're 100 pound female, it's probably more than this. But 100 grams, let's just say 100 grams, that's 33 grams of protein for breakfast. That's. What is that, five or six eggs? You know, so in most men, don't eat five or six eggs in the morning, let alone women. But let's go through some of these foods. I mentioned the first one, which is eggs. Eggs are thankfully a breakfast food. People consider them a breakfast food. And they're also one of the most nutrient complete foods on the planet. It's nature's multivitamin. It's got high quality, the highest quality protein you'll find. It's got choline in it, which some people would say is conditionally essential. It's got great effects on cognitive function. Whole eggs have a better effect on muscle building than. Than egg whites do, even when they control for calories. So they've done this where they've studied, where they've compared whole eggs to egg white protein. There's something in the yolk. I would argue it's the cholesterol that contributes to muscle building. So whole eggs at the top, it's one of the best foods you could possibly eat. That's got to be number one for sure.

[Sal Destefano]

Agreed. But I also think it's important to note that eggs alone are not enough. No. Because unless you're the, you know, guy or girl that sits down and can eat eight of them, that's hard to do. Most people, it's somewhere between one and four.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Right. Most people, one to four eggs is. Yeah, it's pretty. It's pretty typical of what you have. And so even though it's the most. That's why you hear me always say crack the eggs over that ground beef and rice type of meal, whatever dinner you had, if you want to make it feel more breakfast.

[Adam Schafer]

You know, I like to think of it as like protein boosts.

[Sal Destefano]

That's how I think too. And that's. That's exactly what I. What I mean is, like, I can eat a little bit smaller portion that I had for dinner. I can now have breakfast. And then I crack three eggs over it. And now I've got the. I make up the protein there. I get the benefits of cholesterol, like you're saying. And. But I think a lot of people, they eat eggs and so they think, oh, I get a lot of protein. It's like, no, you have two eggs.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

And some toast.

[Adam Schafer]

Small.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. That is not. That's not a high protein.

[Adam Schafer]

Next. Cottage cheese. This was a bodybuilding staple for decades, and then it kind of fell out of fav. I don't know why. It's very versatile. It's high in protein. It's very healthy. It's got high in whey protein. Whey protein. Everybody Likes to supplement with that casein. And you can add anything to it because its flavors, it doesn't really.

[Justin Andrews]

It's pretty neutral.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Flavor.

[Adam Schafer]

And you could go whole fat cottage cheese. You could go fat free if you want to add some other fats and seeds and nuts or whatever if your calories are an issue. But cottage cheat. And it's super easy. It's in the fridge. You pull it out. Boom. Yeah. And it's a whole food. It's a whole natural food. This one is. This one was one I recommended my clients all the time for breakfast.

[Justin Andrews]

We've just been referring too much about people's fat deposits, I think.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, cottage cheese. Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

I wonder what you know, I wonder why it did fall off there. You know, I, this was so popular cottage cheese. It's. I maybe it still is in the bodybuilding work because it was when I was doing it, I ate a lot of cottage cheese. And my favorite. I don't know what you guys favorite. Cottage cheese and pineapple go together perfect.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

So sliced pineapple and cottage cheese is like one of my favorite things to have for breakfast. And it is so high protein.

[Adam Schafer]

It is very, very, very high protein.

[Sal Destefano]

So this would be an example of somebody who does like eggs because eggs cook up really fast. Is a few eggs and a cup of cottage cheese and you're good now. You're good now. You have a high.

[Justin Andrews]

So the Italian you is okay with that. It's not on pizza.

[Adam Schafer]

No, don't put pineapple on eggs. Oh.

[Sal Destefano]

I was like, do people put cottage cheese on pizza? I was like, what are you talking about?

[Adam Schafer]

The same people that put p. Probably try something stupid later.

[Sal Destefano]

That's what I figured.

[Adam Schafer]

Next up is a Greek yogurt. Greek yogurt. This one's more popular now nowadays. And you can even buy whey protein fortified Greek yogurt now. So now they sell these little cups that have and they're like 25, 30 grams. Yeah. I mean my daughter, that's what she has for breakfast in the morning. She hates eating in the morning before school. But she started getting into lifting and is now trying to hit more, you know, higher protein. And this is her go to and tastes good. Super convenient, super fast. It's good for people who are on the go. Greek yogurt. Go for it.

[Sal Destefano]

So I take these like you're talking about. There's brand, there's several brands that make 15 to 20 grams in the little cups. I do two of those cups which takes it to 40 and then I'll take A half a scoop of whey protein, mix it in there. That vanilla goes even better with it. And then I sprinkle berries on it. And if you want more granola and honey and you've got this 50 gram, it's super protein dense parfait that you have to start your day off. And it's so fast, so easy to do. This is like a go to for sure.

[Adam Schafer]

Next, ground beef. Ground beef is my. It's one of my favorite, you know, animal proteins. It's super versatile. You can make it in bulk. You could cook up three pounds of it, put it in the fridge, take some out, you know, portion it out, or portion it out, I should say, and then warm it up in the microwave. Boom, you've got yourself a nice source of protein. And then you can add, you know, carbs, pretty much any kind of carb to this.

[Sal Destefano]

Well, this is to your point about when people say they don't have a lot of time, like, I don't recommend cooking your ground beef in the morning. It's like you have ground beef for dinner and then you just do it in bulk, like you're saying, and then you've got it already. And so it's literally the. The time that it takes to boil an egg real quick. You can have it, heat it right up and then have that all mixed together and it makes for a really good breakfast.

[Caller 2]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

At any given moment in my house, we have one to two pounds of ground beef in the fridge and we just use that all the time. Next, the best fruit I think you could possibly eat. Berries. Berries of all types. Raspberries, blackberries, blueberries. High in fiber. They've got good carbohydrates, they're low glycemic index. They taste great with everything. This is a real super food. I think berries are so easy to get. We just forget. We like to think of exotics berries in terms of antioxidant, you know, fiber, micronutrients, like, they are incredible.

[Sal Destefano]

And low calorie for all that.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, they're so fast.

[Sal Destefano]

You get a ton of them. Yeah. So you get a ton of nutrients for a low amount of calories. And so they go well with a lot of the things you talked about.

[Adam Schafer]

And then, you know, we'll get to more of the denser carbohydrate sources. Oatmeal. This is still a favorite. You know what I like about oatmeal is that it's fast. And if you want a fast, high protein carbohydrate meal with fiber, you could Take your oatmeal and add a couple scoops of protein powder.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

And you're done. And it takes you two minutes to have a breakfast. This was into the go to for a lot of my clients was oatmeal and protein. Other starches. Grits. Love grits. Requires a little bit of cooking, but it's a starchy carbohydrate, gluten free. A lot of people can tolerate these.

[Justin Andrews]

Southern option.

[Adam Schafer]

Yep.

[Sal Destefano]

Were you ever on a grits kick? Oh, yeah, I. I never got a grits kick.

[Adam Schafer]

You can buy instant grits, Right? So like, like they're like in cream of wheat packets.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

And you add a little bit of water. And this is when my gut was really sensitive. So now I can eat other things. But I needed a carbohydrate and it was like white rice. And then like, what else? Grits. I could have grits.

[Sal Destefano]

So will grits be better for you than oatmeal or cream of wheat?

[Adam Schafer]

Back then for sure. Even now. But now I can eat more foods. But grits is super easy to digest. Then you have potato, any kind of potato. But luckily this is considered another breakfast food, so super easy.

[Sal Destefano]

Hash browns.

[Adam Schafer]

Yep. Protein shake. Here's your. Your kind of last option. Although I do think it's a good idea to blend it with some berries and add a little bit of fat just so you have more of a complete meal. But you could definitely have a smoothie in the morning. Yeah. And then last, well cooked spinach. Not a lot of people like to eat vegetables in the morning, but I think it's a good idea to throw some of that in.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. You have like an omelet or something like that. You definitely have some spinach. Totally, totally in there.

[Adam Schafer]

And so these foods here, like out of all these foods, you could put them together, pair them, and you've got yourself some really good options. And many of them don't require any preparation at all or very little. And hit the ground running. Like, if you start your day off, combine them all. You start the day off with 30 to 50 grams of protein. You're on track to hitting your targets. Your blood sugar is more stabilized throughout the day. The CGM studies show that. So regardless what you eat throughout the rest of the day, high protein tends to stabilize blood sugar, which influences your behaviors, your mood, your cravings. And for athletic performance purposes, it's better. So there you have it. My favorites of all these. For me, I like the food from the night before. I tend to have ground beef, rice, and maybe Some berries and I'll just, boom, pop it up, microwave.

[Sal Destefano]

The reason why I think that, why that's become such a staple tip that I give to people is that I, I would say the, the number one hurdle that I have with anybody with getting them to a 30 to 50 gram breakfast consistently. Okay. Is time there. There's the occasional client that I've had that like wakes up an hour and a half, two hours before they have to.

[Adam Schafer]

It's always a time thing.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, it's almost always. I just don't have the time to prepare this breakfast. And so to me, what solves that is, okay, well everybody, no one ever complained about time for dinner. I've never had a client go like, I don't have time for dinner. Everybody's been time for dinner.

[Adam Schafer]

That's the one meal someone will cook.

[Sal Destefano]

That's right. And so it's like, so just train yourself to double, triple or quadruple the size of meat that you cook. And then there's your breakfast that in the morning, literally with eggs. And I've done all of it with. If you're cooking chicken, I mean I slice up chicken rice and have egg over it. Like it just makes for this great little breakfast bowl and throw some salsa, a little bit of cheese on it too. And you got this incredible breakfast bowl and it's, it's high 30 to 50 plus grams of protein. And then when you're there, it's so much easier attacking the rest of the day when you've, when you've got one third or half of your protein intake done for breakfast.

[Adam Schafer]

Totally.

[Sal Destefano]

Then you can get away with these little 10 to 20 gram snack things or whatever like that. That makes sense. But if you're, you're behind. It's so tough.

[Adam Schafer]

Totally. And you know, I'd like to ask you, Justin, because of all of us, you were the, the I won't eat breakfast or I don't eat breakfast. The longest guy. You did for a long time. And at one point, who was it that recommended you eat breakfast? Was it Dr. Cabral's team?

[Justin Andrews]

I think it was Cabral. Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

And what was it for? Was it cortisol? Was it this?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, this cortisol was off. Yeah, I think it was affecting my metabolism on, you know, it felt a bit slower in terms of like. Yeah, me metabolizing food. And I just felt the energy shift was, was way significant for me. When I was starting to eat more breakfast, I was like, had sustainable energy throughout the day because I used to get like a lot more like crashes, like randomly.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

What's interesting is fasting will give you short term energy because of the boost, the catecholamines. But I think it burns you out. It did for me. Like, initially, fasting would give me more energy, but if I kept doing it, I had no energy. It's not a sustainable approach.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was convenient for me because, like, I, I would just drink coffee and then I would eat a bigger meal for lunch and then dinner. But yeah, in terms of me thriving and having consistent energy throughout the day, breakfast, way better.

[Adam Schafer]

All right, dude, I gotta, I gotta tell you, I've been holding this in. I was gonna tell Adam this earlier, but I'm like, I'm gonna wait for.

[Sal Destefano]

The show, wait for the podcast before. Before you go interrupt you, because you're saying something that I like I was telling. I was with old buddies I haven't seen for a really long time. You know who they all are, they're all connected to Jay and all those guys. I linked up with a bunch of them yesterday and stuff. They were catching up for a long time, asking all about the show, the business and the thing that everybody is always like, trips out is how little we actually all hang out outside of. Of the podcast.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, really?

[Sal Destefano]

What, you guys don't hang out all the time? I'm like, no. And I said, you know, and it wasn't like we planned this to your point right now you're about to make. I said, but I think it makes for a better, authentic conversation because we all have this incredible respect, brotherhood, love for each other and, and it's. And obviously feels like a friendship because it's that and more. More. I'd say more like family, but we don't see each other. And so there's this. Every time we get together, there's this, you know, organic conversation of like, oh, I can't wait to tell Adam and Justin about this. Or like that. And it's like we really haven't had that conversation. So anyway, so I just had to say that because they were.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, we hang out. We hang out. When we. This is what we do for work, is we're always, we're talking and hanging out and working. It's like.

[Sal Destefano]

We get all the total hang. Yeah, we'd be all awkward together outside of you.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, we already talk about everything on the show.

[Justin Andrews]

I already know what's going on.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. Anyway, so I'll read to you guys this post. And so SpaceX is getting set up to go public. Right. And they're Gonna. They're calling it the biggest IPO they think in history. It's gonna be valued at 1.5 trillion out the gates. Dollars is what they're about. Yeah. It'll beat the previous record which was.

[Justin Andrews]

29 billion harvest minerals from the moon, aren't they?

[Adam Schafer]

Dude, no, dude, listen.

[Sal Destefano]

How does something. How does something that is. Because it's not technically cash flowing yet.

[Adam Schafer]

SpaceX. Yeah, yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Cash flow.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Or generating revenue. Generating revenue. Cash flow positive is different satellites from like tell me if it's cash flow positive.

[Adam Schafer]

So.

[Sal Destefano]

Because I just. I just have such a hard time wrapping my brain around some of these evaluations which took me down the rabbit hole of. Remember when we called out was the total. Where's that? Have you guys seen that stock? I don't know where it's at now.

[Adam Schafer]

We did that though. We knew that.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, but I mean it's like.

[Doug]

Yeah, yeah, it's profitable.

[Adam Schafer]

Is it?

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Doug]

So they had significant losses prior, but Starlink Internet Constellation reports indicating substantial revenue growth and strong cash flow in 2024 and even more in 2025. So this is a little bit old.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, they're all tied into. So here's the deal. Here's the deal.

[Adam Schafer]

Elon won. I'll tell you guys why he won. So let me just read to you this post. This is what he was talking about. So the future of tech is AI Unless something radical weird happens. I think we all can agree.

[Sal Destefano]

Can I guess? Because I don't know. Can I guess kind of where this is like.

[Adam Schafer]

Yes.

[Sal Destefano]

Is he. Is he basically the way Amazon flipped the funnel on its head and backdoored everybody and like now they control all. Like he's going to do the same thing with the Internet and type of stuff.

[Adam Schafer]

Right.

[Sal Destefano]

So he's already. He's basically going to get it to everybody for free.

[Adam Schafer]

So everybody goes through him.

[Sal Destefano]

Because we're all used to paying all these fees for all this. So that. And you're able to connect your phones, connect all your stuff. He'll hear that. But now all traffic will go something like that.

[Adam Schafer]

You're on this. You're on the right path. That's not exactly so. So what you're talking about with Amazon. Amazon holds, they have all the storage. So if you're, if you, if you want storage, that's what Oracle's doing. You got to go, well, here's a deal with AI and here's why he won. There's one bottleneck with AI and it's energy.

[Sal Destefano]

Yes.

[Adam Schafer]

It's incredibly.

[Sal Destefano]

It's why the theory that engineer. I mean electricians are going to get paid 3, $400,000 a year in the next decade.

[Adam Schafer]

So trip, trip off this. Okay. Oracle just reported earnings. They burned through 12 billion in 1/4 building data centers.

[Sal Destefano]

Yes.

[Adam Schafer]

Their free cash flow is negative 10 billion. They missed revenue. Microsoft, Amazon, Google, all scrambling to find enough electricity for AI training. Here's the math. Okay. The U.S. generates 490 gigawatts of total power. AI by itself is projected to need by 2030 five times that 123 gigawatts by itself.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Goldman Sachs said AI energy demand could jump 165% by 2030.

[Caller 3]

Sorry.

[Justin Andrews]

They're trying to create their own little mini suns.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, in other words, there's not enough power on Earth to run AI at the scale these companies are promising.

[Sal Destefano]

Right.

[Adam Schafer]

Every data center needs cooling systems, billions of gallons of water per year. The infrastructure. We don't have the infrastructure. However, SpaceX is building data centers in space. Of course. And these satellites are going to go up. These Starlink V3 satellites are going to go up there with AI computing chips and they're going to get 24. 7 solar power. 24, 7.

[Sal Destefano]

So dude, this is.

[Adam Schafer]

These starships are going to deliver. Ready for this? 300 to 500 gigawatts of solar powered AI satellites into orbit every single year.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

The AI computing power in space would exceed the entire US total economy of electricity within two years. Just from satellites. Now here's what's crazy about this. 80% of the satellites put out in space. SpaceX. Yeah. Nobody sends up satellites. They can't, they don't have the ability. Yeah. SpaceX control.

[Sal Destefano]

So all energy and power will go through him.

[Adam Schafer]

You have to so just like have.

[Sal Destefano]

To so same thing. Just like the way you purchase anything these days. You almost.

[Adam Schafer]

There's no way anybody can compete unless they can come up with a way to launch more. And that's such a heavily rated SpaceX is there. They're there, dude. And if you combine that with Tesla. So all these Tesla cars, I don't know if you guys heard Elon say this. When they're all parked, they're going to be using their computer power as AI to. So he's basically creating a giant computer with all these Teslas as well. So you have that plus Starlink, plus SpaceX. He won.

[Sal Destefano]

Now the, the 4G microwave people have to be freaking out. Oh my God, 5G guys. The 5G microwave people have gotta be freaking out right now that we're all, we're all sitting in a giant microwave and we're about to put ourselves in a bigger hole.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, I don't know because. So what's crazy about this to me. And this is why I'm like, oh, dude, when they go public, I'm gonna put a lot in there. If they're the only ones, if they're launching 80% of the satellites, I don't care who, what company wins with AI, they gotta go through him.

[Sal Destefano]

It's just like Amazon. It's like Amazon, exactly. All these companies can try and ride the data set. Yeah. They have the full control of that.

[Adam Schafer]

So you have all these satellites in space that are just solar. And every two years they'll be able to get another 300 to 500 gigawatts. That's so cool.

[Justin Andrews]

Smart.

[Adam Schafer]

He's like. So he plays chess, dude.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Everybody's doing this race over with the boring company.

[Justin Andrews]

Then like with all these tunnels.

[Adam Schafer]

I don't know. I know. That's another one.

[Justin Andrews]

I'm always trying to. Yeah. Keep track.

[Adam Schafer]

So I saw that and I'm like, so immediately, of course, I reach out to my cousins who are all, you know, investors, like, dude, get me. Like, how can I get it before ipo that.

[Sal Destefano]

I've seen all our email coming through. This is the most I've ever seen all our. The companies that were invested in come through at the same time. I've seen all of them. I saw yours, I saw. I saw Dynasty come through. I saw LMT come through.

[Adam Schafer]

I see year earnings. Is that why?

[Doug]

Yeah, yeah, it is third quarter stuff.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. But even that being said, I don't know if I've ever seen all of them come together at one time like that. Have you? I that's.

[Doug]

I have.

[Adam Schafer]

They.

[Doug]

They tend to come really.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, that's the most I've ever seen them all. Back to back to back to back like that. So where all the earnings are.

[Adam Schafer]

Speaking of companies, I know we're, we're. Chris Power wants to keep working with us. They've hit a home run.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

So people aren't familiar. These are pretzels. Protein pretzels.

[Sal Destefano]

So good.

[Adam Schafer]

But they're like, they're high. This here's.

[Justin Andrews]

My back's been crazy.

[Sal Destefano]

26 grams for a snack, bro.

[Adam Schafer]

26 grams in a bag. Like a little tiny bag.

[Sal Destefano]

I mean, you just started this podcast episode about like these. And our whole point was talking about these high protein things. Like that's a classic example. If you've gone and if you go get 30 to 50 grams of protein. You can have a snack at like 26, like that and really boost. I mean, think about that. You have a 40, say 40 gram breakfast and then your snack at 10 or 11 is like these pretzels.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. Of nacho flavored or whatever.

[Sal Destefano]

Have some pretzels with some string cheese or a little p. Like, and now you got like 30, 35 grams. I mean, you're talking.

[Justin Andrews]

Bumps you right back up.

[Adam Schafer]

But here's why they're. This is why they're. Here's why they're crushing. Protein is great. There's a lot of places you can get 26 grams, but here's why it's hyper. It's palatable. Yeah. It's like a bag of potato chips.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

It's not. Doesn't taste like a high protein snack. It tastes like. Yeah. You got something from the vending machine and you're so, you know, that's, that's, that, that's the, I guess the, the risk is you're probably gonna want to eat two bags of this. So they're gonna, that's why they hit it out of the park.

[Sal Destefano]

No, it's doing good crushing. Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

They don't. Last year, our editors and trainers.

[Sal Destefano]

No, they're gone. They love them.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh yeah, they're totally gone. We have to hide some for.

[Sal Destefano]

No, I'm excited. I'm excited. That was one of the first. Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Surprising actually, for me.

[Sal Destefano]

Really?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. They're good. And I just was like, surprised at the feedback. Everybody loves them.

[Sal Destefano]

I mean, I've learned now we've been doing this for so long now to not, to not get too excited about something. And I think is going to be amazing to not like, I mean, everything from the. All these different brands that we've worked at. Some stuff resonates and some people love stuff. But I mean, I think it's the. That high of a protein snack that's palatable, tastes good.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

That's just. I think everybody, I think everybody's going.

[Justin Andrews]

Through the same struggles. Like, how can I like increase that? Because, you know, you start going through and like eating a bunch of meat and you're like, oh my God. It's like overwhelming.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Once you realize how much you got to get.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

All right, I got. So this doesn't happen very often. Well, let me ask you guys this. How often does this happen these days? Because we've been doing this for so long. I mean, how old were you guys when you first set foot in the gym? How old were you guys?

[Sal Destefano]

16.

[Adam Schafer]

You were 13 16. Okay. We're pretty consistent. Same here. Till since then. Rarely do I see a new machine that gets me excited.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, did you get, did it, did it hit like the way you thought it was gonna hit? Oh, it did.

[Adam Schafer]

Yes, dude, it did. Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

And now you know, I mean, what it was. Yes, it's the row one. It's like where you. He's on a sled and he, and he rose like this. So I seen, I thought it was, I thought it was crazy. He bought it before he even like did it.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, I mean, I, I, obviously we all, and you guys can guess, we're pretty good. I can look at a machine and.

[Sal Destefano]

Be like, and I can be like.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, I'm gonna feel is it on.

[Justin Andrews]

A track as you're coming up?

[Adam Schafer]

Yes. So it's a new style of back machine.

[Sal Destefano]

It almost looks like a hack squat kind of. Right.

[Adam Schafer]

And so rarely do they come out with new machines. They've all been invented, I think. But I was on, you know, I see these pro bodybuilders because sometimes they're my reels and there's this like new design for a back machine. And what it looks like, it's like you're sitting back on this bench. So your butts on the bench. You're doing almost like a bent over row, but it's at an angle. Then you're doing a row on a track and I'm just looking at it. I'm like, oh man, that would give me the craziest, like lat.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

And mid back squeeze. Like I would get such a crazy squeeze.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Just from that angle. And then I found one for my home gym, so I bought one and I. Yeah, put it in. Oh, yeah, dude.

[Sal Destefano]

So I imagine. So what I could really, like, if.

[Adam Schafer]

I want to smash my lats with it, I can. By pushing down.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Or there's a higher grip where I get the upper back. Dude, it's amazing.

[Sal Destefano]

I imagine, I imagine it's like how much we all probably like the T bar row without that pressure. Because one of the worst parts about pressure. Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Bingo.

[Sal Destefano]

One of the worst parts about the T bar row is you start pulling some serious weight and there's some like serious pressure, you know, on your chest and you're trying to breathe at the same time.

[Justin Andrews]

You're nice to be supported though, like that.

[Sal Destefano]

I mean, but this, but this is because his hips, his hips are locked.

[Adam Schafer]

Because you're sitting back.

[Sal Destefano]

Exactly. His hips are locked in. So he is kind of supported.

[Adam Schafer]

Not. It doesn't put pressure on Your low back. Yeah, you don't have to. So that's the thing about a barbell row is it's great, but the limiting factor for a lot of people is just how much they could bend over with. Yeah, this is like.

[Sal Destefano]

That's funny.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, it is fun. Like, machine, like, it's just. It makes it fun.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, we prompted this conversation. First off, I used it, and my wife used it, and I trained my daughter on it, which I'll tell you guys about a little bit. But everybody loves it. I love it. But what prompted this is we were having lunch the other day, and my niece and my. My daughter, they love to ask. Like, we love to have these games where we ask each other questions. And one of the questions was, if you could collect, if you could be a collector for anything, what would it be?

[Sal Destefano]

That's a good question.

[Adam Schafer]

It is.

[Sal Destefano]

And I'm like, gym equipment would be yours, bro. All day. I mean, I would guess that if we had to go around and guess, everybody's like, would you definitely say, well.

[Adam Schafer]

You already have collection?

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, I do. I already do that stuff. So I'm easy. That's not even a fun game for me. But for you, it would be that. Well, just would be guitars, guards. Yeah, for sure. Guitars, Doug, would be samurai swords. Oh, everybody. I could easily nail everybody on that. That's easy.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Gym equipment.

[Adam Schafer]

How cool would that be to go around and buy old.

[Sal Destefano]

I mean, look at you already. You. The fact that you. You don't park any cars in your garage. I think it's so funny to me. It's all gym equipment, and you're pretty much. You got to be getting close to maxed out.

[Adam Schafer]

No, no.

[Justin Andrews]

I mean, just related. It'd be like, I'd get all the unconventional, like, crazy weapon looking.

[Sal Destefano]

Now, is there anything else that you guys that we don't know about? So, like, guitars is obvious. Samurai sword is obvious. Is there something else that you kind of quietly collect or you're into collecting that the other guys don't really. I. Jim equipment is the only one that would go right.

[Justin Andrews]

Let's see.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. If. If I was going to colle, I would look for old barbells, dumbbells, plates.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, it's all that stuff.

[Adam Schafer]

Now, the other thing which I don't collect but I think would be cool is because every time I see it, I think, oh, my God, it's so interesting. Is old propaganda.

[Sal Destefano]

I love, like, old ads.

[Adam Schafer]

I love old ads, and I love old, like, government propaganda because it's just so. It says Human psychology. It's so fascinating.

[Sal Destefano]

I think that's. That's kind of a cool one.

[Justin Andrews]

Well, yeah, for me, it's. I guess it's two different things. So one of them is related to that, which is, like, old records. I don't even have a record player, ironically.

[Sal Destefano]

But you have a ton of records on a record.

[Adam Schafer]

Kids collect records, bro.

[Sal Destefano]

You know what's weird, though, about that?

[Justin Andrews]

Because, like, I have this, like, vision of, like, there's these really cool old. I want to say, like, 40s, 50s, like, these kind of cabinets that.

[Sal Destefano]

Yes. They built and they build with them.

[Justin Andrews]

It's built in.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. Sick stereo. I have a buddy who has one. I got to send it to you. I thought of you.

[Justin Andrews]

Tonin House, I think, is the brand. But, like, anyway, I really want. They're really expensive, but I'm, like, kind of collecting to eventually get one of those.

[Adam Schafer]

What are they?

[Caller 3]

Speaker.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, it's like, speaker built in. Yeah, but it's a cabinet. It's really, like. Anyway, so that having, like, a sound room where I could really, like, play all these old records. But the other one was, like, Neon signs is kind of the random one. Oh, I'm really old.

[Adam Schafer]

Neon Signs.

[Sal Destefano]

Have you start. Do you have some at your. I like some of that. Like, the old Coors Light or something? Like the old bar.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, yeah, I have a few. Do you guys have a car flying a gas.

[Adam Schafer]

Do you guys have a weird car that you would buy? I say weird because there's, of course, like, muscle car, but is there, like, a car that you would buy? That's not that.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, what is it?

[Sal Destefano]

It's Acura Integra. An old Integra. My, my.

[Adam Schafer]

Wait a minute.

[Sal Destefano]

Well, not like a cool one.

[Justin Andrews]

Like.

[Sal Destefano]

Just had this. This just happened. I'll show you a picture of this. My brother who lives up in Reno. This is only two weeks ago, sends me. My roommate has to be the luckiest guy alive. He won some drawing on a car on a. An older, like a Porsche, like, six, seven years ago. Because would you believe he won another car? What? With a 20? He's like. He's like, I got to show you the video, because I think you'll appreciate it. It's a Type R yellow Acura Integra.

[Adam Schafer]

What year?

[Sal Destefano]

Like, in 97, 98, bro.

[Caller 3]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

I'm like, ask him if he would sell that. If he would sell that, I would buy that.

[Adam Schafer]

If that's your child's car.

[Sal Destefano]

Yes. And it's pristine. Like, it's so pristine. I'm like, oh, that's. That's the hardest part of that car is finding that car that somebody hasn't beat the hell out of it and stuff like that. But I love.

[Adam Schafer]

That's when I would get.

[Sal Destefano]

I would too.

[Adam Schafer]

I would get the. The other One is the WS6 97 Pontiac. Yeah. Yeah. You know what's funny too is those were so fast. All American cars, they were so fast back then, but they're dogs now. Everything's so much faster.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

It's not even funny. My buddy and I were like the.

[Adam Schafer]

Type S. Like, what is.

[Sal Destefano]

My buddy and I that were golfing. We're talking about how, you know, both are big car guys and stuff like that. And he's like, it's almost. I don't want to say boring because it's not boring to drive. Those cars are amazing. But it's like, you know, in. In less than three seconds, you're. You're going to jail.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

You know what I'm saying? You're at speeds you're going to jail. Where it's like some of those older cars, like you could really rip it and get around it and you're like, you know, cop will probably not be that big of a deal. You're like getting up to 60 is like a big deal. But it feels like, it feels like, you know, it feels like you're moving really fast, especially when you're shifting through gears of that.

[Adam Schafer]

What was the 0 to 60 of the type R?

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, like 5, 4, 7, 4 and a half 5.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, it wasn't below 5. No way.

[Sal Destefano]

You might be right. You might be right.

[Adam Schafer]

Below five was like fast.

[Sal Destefano]

You might be right. You might be right. You might. You're probably right. Like supercars were like four and four. You know. You're probably right.

[Adam Schafer]

Yep.

[Sal Destefano]

You're probably right. Yeah. See that? It's like that's like now you of course will do two point something. Half the time you're already five second mid fives. Good guess. Yeah, good guess. Yeah, that was good.

[Adam Schafer]

I had. I had a VR6.

[Justin Andrews]

That's why I knew double gas shoebox kind of looking cars and trucks. Well, like 55 Chevy.

[Caller 1]

Oh yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

But those are everybody.

[Sal Destefano]

You see all the like the 8, the 80s and 90s pickup trucks are all like coming back.

[Adam Schafer]

Like.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Real expensive to refurbish.

[Justin Andrews]

I would say if I was to like pick like when I was a kid, like what my favorite. It was definitely Back to the future. The, the Toyota.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Lifted Toyota. And I'm not like again Like, I'm. I'm totally like American.

[Sal Destefano]

I know somebody who's. Who had that. Yeah, yeah, that's a. That was. I remember when that, that, that movie came out. That was all, all the Casey lights on.

[Doug]

What's.

[Sal Destefano]

What's another one you do besides the samurai swords Dirty under.

[Doug]

I mean.

[Adam Schafer]

No.

[Doug]

Only cuz he answer is no.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, wow, bro.

[Doug]

All right, so I do collect some coins.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh yeah? Like special coins? Not. How about your silver and gold, dude?

[Doug]

No, no, like some. Some older. Some older coins.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Doug]

But I'm not. I'm not really big into that.

[Adam Schafer]

I know, I know.

[Sal Destefano]

He's got a basement. He swims.

[Adam Schafer]

You count your coins every day.

[Sal Destefano]

He does, dude.

[Doug]

Boy, you know, it's a tough one. I mean, some artwork.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, yeah. Okay.

[Adam Schafer]

You're. You're oval team decoder ring.

[Doug]

I have a whole array of those.

[Adam Schafer]

Yes.

[Sal Destefano]

Boy.

[Doug]

What else? I mean, I collect the Japanese flutes. That's another one of the things.

[Sal Destefano]

More than one?

[Doug]

Yeah, I have a bunch.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, I just thought you had one. I didn't know you there was a need for more than one there.

[Doug]

Well, there isn't often.

[Sal Destefano]

Like just.

[Doug]

I mean, there's depends on the length. There's different lengths of flutes. So I have.

[Adam Schafer]

Which ones you like.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, you, baby. He set himself up for those.

[Adam Schafer]

The 1 8.

[Doug]

That's the basic size. The 1.8.

[Sal Destefano]

It's not the size that matters, Sal.

[Caller 1]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

It's how.

[Adam Schafer]

It's how you use it.

[Doug]

Everything has to become so dirty.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Doug]

I have all kinds of things I have interest in, but yeah, I could get into watches.

[Caller 3]

Yeah.

[Doug]

But yeah, you know, it's. It's really just a matter of. I can only have so many hobbies. Right.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. Yeah. I love, I love retro stuff. I think now because we're older. You know, I saw this one post where it was like a bedroom and it's like what Everybody thought an 80s bedroom looked like. And it had like neon and all. It's like actual 80s bedroom looked like and it was like wood paneling, brown carpet. I'm like, yeah, that's exactly ugly. It was ugly. It was not what they show in the movie.

[Sal Destefano]

The popcorn walls, the. Oh moves. Isn't it crazy to look back when you. And you can't help but think, don't you? I. I always like. I look at stuff where we're at now. I'm like, are we going in 20 years gonna be like, this is so ugly? Yeah, like that. That's the part I have A hard time. I mean, you just went. You were looking at some properties, like, and you walked in. It's like, oh, God, this. This thing is so dated. So dated.

[Justin Andrews]

How did they get into, like, the brown and, like, the. The baby poo? Like, colors, palette? Like, it was just like, that was a thing. Yeah. Like, who came up with.

[Sal Destefano]

Do you think it was. Because back then, like, it was easy. Like that. Those color. That. Those color palettes were easy to. Like, wood is already. So you went.

[Justin Andrews]

Maybe it's like hiding dirt or something.

[Adam Schafer]

No, I think it was in contrast to the 60s, because in the 60s you had popular, like. Like colors. Like, really vibrant colors were popular. 70s, it got kind of like, bland. That would be my guess, because that's the big difference.

[Sal Destefano]

But you're right. Like orange. Orange and brown and like. Like vomit green.

[Doug]

Avocado green, right?

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, avocado green.

[Justin Andrews]

I just remember my parents, like, the. The tile in, you know, everywhere. Yeah. Even the bathroom and then in the kitchen, it was like this weird, ugly yellow, like. Like diarrhea.

[Sal Destefano]

So, I mean, don't you. Don't. I mean, you're doing your place right now, too. Like, don't you. Like, as you're going through, like, think, like, as you're doing, like, you know, is this going to be in 30 years? We're gonna back and be like.

[Justin Andrews]

I try to. Yeah. Try to stick with stuff that's been good. Classically, like, nice design for a really long time.

[Adam Schafer]

Good stone work. Really good stone.

[Sal Destefano]

You're right. Or good, like. Like, look at the cabin. I feel like the cabin will look good even, like, so there's something about, like, that kind of cabin vibe is just like, they could be 100 years old and still looks totally, really good.

[Caller 2]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

I look at styles like that that have lasted over time and, you know, craftsman and what's the.

[Sal Destefano]

What do you find it, Doug?

[Justin Andrews]

Mid century modern. Like, stuff like that. It's, like, lasted. So you pay attention to that.

[Doug]

Well, according to this, it's a desire for personal expression, natural comfort, and breaking from tradition. Blending earthy tones such as avocado green, Burt burnt orange with bold patterns, natural materials, Wood paneling, rattan stone, and innovative layouts like sunken living rooms.

[Sal Destefano]

Sunken living room.

[Doug]

Influenced by counterculture pop culture and a focus on individuality and coziness.

[Sal Destefano]

Discovery Bay we stayed at with the sunken. Yeah, the sunken fire pit. That was like a thing. That was a thing for a long time.

[Justin Andrews]

The party houses do that.

[Doug]

You know, there's something about it, if it was done well, that well Think about appealing.

[Sal Destefano]

I mean, think about, think about before televisions were on every wall and everybody had one in their pocket.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Like I could totally see when you have friends over, you would have pour a glass of wine and you would sit in a little sunken in living room around a nice fire in the winter, like that could, I could see.

[Justin Andrews]

That people live different. So now it's like you need open concepts because most people, like, they want to be a part of whatever's going on in the living room while they're in the kitchen, you know, but before they sectioned everything off, like that was, that was the way it was forever.

[Caller 1]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

All right. I want to tell you guys about just, just what an absolute blessing it's been that I got to. I get to train my daughter and my niece regularly now. That's cool. This is a hack that I think I'd like to share to parents of teenagers if they get into exercise and if you're experienced with, with working out to train them. And here's why it's so hard. And I do talk to a lot of parents and teenagers will communicate this. It's very difficult that your teenager kind of open up and just sit down and talk with you. It's just kind of hard. Like, you know, how was school? Fine. You know, what's going on? Nothing. You know, it's like, you know, and they want their space and I totally get it. But when I'm, and I remember this, as a trainer, when you train people, everybody opens up. It's something about movement, something about exercise that does it. And so now it's like two or three days a week I'll take them in the garage and train them. And about 20, I've timed it, it's like 15 to 20 minutes. And then they totally warm up and start talking and they start talking crap to me because they're, you know, because I'm dad. So they start making fun of me, we start joking, we have good conversations and it's all connecting. It's so valuable.

[Justin Andrews]

It's so funny. Plus, they get good training because I literally started that last week.

[Adam Schafer]

Did you?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, with the boys we do twice a week. And I'm trying really hard to be consistent with that, like every week to do it from here on out. But I was hesitant to do it forever because, because of my perspective of like when I was growing up, I didn't want people to, to interject and kind of like force me to do anything. I wanted to come, you know, go for things that I wanted to do. But it's like, I'm finding out that they want that from me. They want the coaching, they want the direction, they want the instruction. And I was like, I'm not giving it to them. And so I was like, you know, realizing that as I was teaching them everything down there, and they were, like, responding and they're, like, getting into it, so. But yeah, you're right. They.

[Sal Destefano]

Did you defin.

[Adam Schafer]

Open up a lot more?

[Sal Destefano]

Did you have. Okay. I'm so curious of that dynamic because I have a lot of similar philosophy with Max of like, I, like, I kind of do stuff, introduce around, but I really patiently wait.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Like, patiently wait to see him engage or him ask questions. And then I'm like, right there. Okay, I'll teach you. I can't wait to do stuff like that. And so I'm curious that that was that. Did you finally realize that and then you started engaging more, or did they actually ask? Did they come up and be like, dad, what do I do here?

[Justin Andrews]

Or I saw momentum there. So Ethan already, because he was getting introduced to it at school, and, like, they're doing a weight training class, he was starting to kind of get the bug. And I was realizing, like, just. I was asking him questions and kind of just watched him naturally doing a workout on his own. I just gave him a little bit of advice, and then he really responded to it, and he's like, oh, that was great, dad. Like, I. Let's do that again kind of thing. And then I was like, oh, I've been like. I haven't been there, like, managing that at all. But I think, yeah, because the whole time I've been. I've been, like, really reserved because I. It's like I. I want it. I want it to stick, and I don't want. And I'm realizing that, like, I was. I had no choice. Like, they've had choices, like, this whole time.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

And it's like, it's. It's a weird thing where now they want, like, direction.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Tell me where to go, dad. Like, tell me which thing. And so it's different than my mentality growing up. Completely.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. I think good and right, though. I mean, I think that's the way to go. It's like.

[Adam Schafer]

No, I waited too, and they started asking me questions.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, but here's what it.

[Adam Schafer]

Here's the. The value of it. You have. You start to open up conversation just naturally because it's a workout. It's not like I'm forcing anything. You just start warming up. They get. They start to feel the exercise. Next thing you know, we start talking. So it's great connection. It also opens the door for influence. And here's how. As I'm training these girls and I knew the questions will start, wait, how fast? How long does it take to build muscle? Am I getting stronger? So I'm making notes of how much weight they're lifting and pointing it out. That way the next time we work out, oh, my God, you added 20 pounds to your trap bar deadlift. Remember last time we did it? Now I've got influence. Because now they're like, he knows what he's talking about. This is working. Everything he said is coming true.

[Justin Andrews]

He said was gonna happen.

[Adam Schafer]

That's right. So now a month into it, because I'm only about a month and a half into it. Now a month into it, they want my input because I've already proven, yeah, I know what I'm talking about. Because it works. And now that bleeds into other influence. Because now I'm going to. Now I can I see that they want. They're asking me questions about other things. Just because now they know, Dad. I mean, it's so great.

[Sal Destefano]

This is not the best analogy or comparison, but it reminds me a lot of, like, when you. When you teach sales. Like, a great salesperson is get somebody to ask the. Ask for it.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Not you don't sell it to them. You don't tell them you should do this or why it's so good.

[Adam Schafer]

Selling is not telling.

[Sal Destefano]

It's not. And if you do a really good job of asking the right questions, being patient, showing value, like, they should ask. And until then, I'm not selling. I'm not gonna. I'm not. And I feel like that's how I've always positioned everything that I want my son to do. But it's like. And I'll, you know, slightly introduce it. It'll be around him. He'll see his father doing it. And it's like, I'll just wait, wait. And then when he asks the questions, then I can insert and go, okay, I'll do that. I mean, I just. I found everything that I've done like that with him.

[Adam Schafer]

Because there's a.

[Sal Destefano]

There's a part of me is like, oh, he should be ready for this, or he should be wanting this, or I want him to read this thing or be into this thing. And it's like, every time I'm like that, it's just, I. You. There's pushback, or he doesn't want to, and it's like, every time I'm just like, you know what? It'll happen. It'll organically happen. And then when it organically happens, it's like, it's on. Because then once when they're interested and then you're there to answer or help, it's such a different experience. It's been that way for several times.

[Adam Schafer]

It's been. It's been so much fun. Speaking of working out, there's some studies that came out that showed how much. I'll pull it up, how much you need to exercise to keep the muscle that you've already built. And this was for. I'll pull up the study. So this was. This was an article that was published in Sports Illustrated. Everyday Athlete Platform. So this was a study. It was a 2021 research review.

[Sal Destefano]

Is it new, Sal?

[Adam Schafer]

It's a research review because you've seen.

[Sal Destefano]

And talked about the 1 7th.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. So this was for young adults who are already, like, into it. These are advanced people. So these are people who built muscle, build strength. They're fit.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

How much strength training? So not like the average person, but people who actually work out really hard. How much do they need to maintain what they've built? One day a week. One day a week. And they tested them for 32 weeks.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Adam Schafer]

One day a week of a hard workout. So they said it has to be hard. Of course, it was one heavy set perform per exercise, by the way. It wasn't three or five sets. It was one set per exercise, once a week. So you do one set per body part and a whole workout. Make it hard once a week, and you'll keep what you've built. And the studies show up to 32 weeks is how long they stretch these out. That's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy.

[Justin Andrews]

So some people, you know, should be encouraging for people.

[Sal Destefano]

It's super, super encouraging. Super encouraging. It's. I mean, it's. I, It's. I'm so glad we're doing this episode right now because this is a conversation I just had at the golf course. I'm like, we're in balls and my buddy's asking these questions. And the protein was. I was like, literally telling him, like, two things. And I was, he. I was like, don't worry about all the other stuff yet. Just be consistent with that. Even I said, even your. The way he was training, like, he was doing a lot of body weight stuff in his garage and he had. And I'm like, I'm not even going to critique that yet, because you doing that paired with you actually making an attempt at hitting your protein. You'll see. Then I'll go in and I'll start to modify your training and give you a little bit better. Yeah, but just start there, right? And then I was like. And then after that, then we'll.

[Adam Schafer]

Then.

[Sal Destefano]

Then I. If I do a good enough job of teaching you that. Just that. And you listen to me, you'll see good enough results that you'll get excited about it, and then maybe you actually want a gym membership and you actually get a barbell or invest, and then I'll really show you the gains. Come on. And then I'm gonna blow your mind when I tell you how little you have to do to keep that. Because he's like, well, I don't want to be some jack body. Just like, you know?

[Adam Schafer]

I know.

[Sal Destefano]

I go.

[Adam Schafer]

I go, bro, that doesn't happen on us.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

I was like, you know how hard.

[Sal Destefano]

Hard that is to do that? Everybody wants to.

[Adam Schafer]

It's like you telling somebody to read a book. Well, I don't want to be Stephen Hawking. Yeah, come on, calm down. I don't want to get too smart, I said, but.

[Sal Destefano]

But I had. I had to reframe and go. I actually want you to make that your goal. And you. You just stop me on the way, okay? So when you get to the point where you're just like, this is it. You know what I'm saying?

[Adam Schafer]

Much, bro.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Too much.

[Sal Destefano]

Then I'll tell you how little you have to do just to maintain that. And it's amazing. I was like, if you can. If you can unlock that protein thing that I'm telling you about, and then. And then we'll get into some good exercises. And then. Then you get it. Then you're gonna get to that body that is nowhere near a bodybuilder's body, and you're gonna be like, I'm good. I'm like, I'll show you how easy to speak.

[Adam Schafer]

Speaking of changing your body and aesthetics, I looked up something on red light. So. Red light therapy. So fascinating, right? It does so many different things. Do you guys know that there's studies on red light therapy and body contouring? Do you know what body contouring is like?

[Justin Andrews]

Like.

[Adam Schafer]

Like targeted shaping of the body.

[Sal Destefano]

How is that possible?

[Adam Schafer]

A reduction of inflammation, and they think maybe enhanced fat loss. Speculation, but probably reduction inflammation to the tune of inches. So, like, shiny red light on your waist will shrink your waist a little bit. Yeah, through red light.

[Sal Destefano]

That smells like marketing Stuff, bro.

[Adam Schafer]

No, no, no, no. The studies show there's a reduction. There's a slight reduction in size. Which set now.

[Justin Andrews]

Well, if it's localized to the inflammation correct areas. I mean, that.

[Adam Schafer]

That's what they're thinking.

[Justin Andrews]

Logical sense.

[Adam Schafer]

They're thinking it reduces the swelling that. That we all naturally have in. In our body and it shrinks things.

[Sal Destefano]

So if that's the case.

[Adam Schafer]

So you can literally shine it on.

[Sal Destefano]

An area that is the case. And we know what's coming because they've already done the ones that. On the face.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. They're new wraps.

[Sal Destefano]

There's gonna be. There's gonna be a belt, right, that. That people put on.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, the problem with that though is like really good red lights are.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh yeah, it'll be expensive.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, I know. It's just these are the offshoot, like gimmicky like you. What's that called? Like, Sky Mall.

[Sal Destefano]

You know, people are all buying the.

[Justin Andrews]

Sky Mall version of Juice.

[Sal Destefano]

Like, come on, stop buying this, guys.

[Adam Schafer]

You have to read because there's nothing to read.

[Sal Destefano]

That's still a thing, right? Sky Mall, is it like, I haven't seen it. I took a flight not that long ago and there was a. Sky buys.

[Adam Schafer]

Things on a Sky Mall.

[Sal Destefano]

Obviously a lot of people.

[Adam Schafer]

It can't be.

[Justin Andrews]

When's the last time you saw one?

[Sal Destefano]

See who owns Sky Mall? It was not that long ago I saw Sky.

[Adam Schafer]

It reminds me of Sharper Image. Remember Sharper Image?

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, they still exist.

[Doug]

They had some cool stuff, actually.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, that one's a little bit. That one's a little cooler. Sky Mall is definitely the.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, like, come on, dude.

[Sal Destefano]

Hey, you know what? It was the TEMU before. Temu.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, it's only to look at when you forgot like to bring anything and.

[Adam Schafer]

Your WI fi is not working. Yeah, I gotta read. Sky Mall.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, I remember. I remember buying some before everybody knew what TEMU was. I remember buying something from it because I just was. I was searching something and then I. You know, one of the hustles I have on there is like, they don't like tell you size and so you, you order. You order this thing that you think is meant to be that comes in and you wonder why you only paid it.

[Adam Schafer]

What does this say there?

[Doug]

Yeah, it's owned by a New Jersey based company. However, you know, I don't think they're really in. In planes much anymore. So it's mainly online catalog now, so.

[Sal Destefano]

So acquisition marketing bought the brand for 1.9 million in 2015.

[Adam Schafer]

It was worth nothing. One. Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, after SkyMall filed for bankruptcy, I bet you after Amaz put it, it just destroyed it.

[Adam Schafer]

But who's shopping in the plane?

[Sal Destefano]

Okay. We were just. Who was I just flying with? And they, and they made this, this comment. It wasn't one of you guys. I was flying with somebody somewhere just recently. And we're walking through the airport and there's like a, like a Louis Vuitton store in there.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

And I'm like, oh, there's Louis Vuitton store. They're like, they're like, who the hell would buy a Louis Vuitton? I'm like, well, listen, if. I mean, I've been in a lot of layovers for like four hours stuck at the airport. You go eat and drink so much.

[Adam Schafer]

And then I'm sure that they don't charge taxes or something. Something maybe.

[Sal Destefano]

Well, yeah, there's duty tax free stuff.

[Adam Schafer]

How does that work? Is it. Is it considered like you're not in the same country? Like, how does that work?

[Doug]

I don't know how that works.

[Justin Andrews]

Are going to be outrageously higher though, right?

[Adam Schafer]

I think.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

I don't do.

[Doug]

Yeah, it's like, Honestly, I don't know.

[Adam Schafer]

It's like gambling in the airport. What are you doing?

[Doug]

I will say I'm a little disappointed. Sky Mall is no longer in planes.

[Adam Schafer]

Why?

[Doug]

Because I enjoyed flipping through the magazine. There's nothing in, in planes now. They used to all have like, magazines, you know, the, their own magazine.

[Sal Destefano]

Listen, before, before phones, that's how you got people like that. You know, I'm saying in your impulse, you got to wait four hours.

[Adam Schafer]

You know what? You know what? Advertising now disappeared as well. That used to be very effective. And I know this because when I manage gyms, if I put an ad here, I always got better from fecal matter.

[Justin Andrews]

It was, let's be honest, it was.

[Adam Schafer]

The ads on, in front of urinals or on the, on the wall.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, you don't think those still do? Good.

[Adam Schafer]

I don't see them anymore.

[Sal Destefano]

A bar, like bars or like clubs and bars. They still, they have digital ones now. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Above, like.

[Adam Schafer]

But back in the day, those did really well. If you look at the data on those, they did really well.

[Sal Destefano]

I think they. I not. I don't think they're not bad. And I think there's still a lot of places that like bars where you got a lot of, like a club, right? A club that's getting like thousands of people coming through. Yeah, you put, you know, that was.

[Doug]

A job for some People is selling those.

[Adam Schafer]

I know.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Doug]

I don't know if they do that now.

[Adam Schafer]

So I'm telling you, in the gyms that I managed, that was the first place I put flyers was on. Was it right on top?

[Sal Destefano]

Well, you remember the. Who's the guy? Who's the.

[Adam Schafer]

The.

[Sal Destefano]

Who's the big buff Grasso?

[Adam Schafer]

Yes, it was a personal trainer.

[Sal Destefano]

That's his name, Joe Grosso. He had them all pictured like this with. Yeah. Traps.

[Adam Schafer]

He had all the arms. He had the urinals. Personal training business.

[Sal Destefano]

It was. Yeah. See if you can remember Joe Grasso.

[Adam Schafer]

So. But it was. It was like Iron Gym or. No, it was like a personal.

[Sal Destefano]

We all saw that.

[Justin Andrews]

Yes, I definitely seen it was Joe's.

[Sal Destefano]

Gym or elite training. No, no, it's not.

[Adam Schafer]

It. No, no.

[Sal Destefano]

Is he local guy? Yeah, he was a local guy.

[Justin Andrews]

Real estate agent, like in the Santa Cruz area. That would put his. His face like on the urinal cakes.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, that's great. What are you doing, bro? That might be him, but he might have changed since then. It was the ad. Yeah. If you pulled the ad up, I mean, look for. Look up urinal. Urinal fitness ads in. In San Jose. I bet he'll pop up like that.

[Adam Schafer]

Wow, look, he's got like a. What is that?

[Sal Destefano]

It's evolved and changed.

[Justin Andrews]

That looks sick, bro. That's a throwback.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. Oh, speaking of gems, did you guys journey that, bro?

[Sal Destefano]

Look at.

[Adam Schafer]

He's.

[Sal Destefano]

Look at how old he is. That was him.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Dude, he looks so different in the, in the. Those pictures. It was him.

[Adam Schafer]

Yep.

[Sal Destefano]

And he looked. He looked jacked.

[Adam Schafer]

And you gotta find.

[Sal Destefano]

It's old.

[Justin Andrews]

He's huge.

[Sal Destefano]

This is all where he's rebranding.

[Adam Schafer]

So do you guys. Speaking of gems, have you guys caught up with Jeremy Buendia at all?

[Sal Destefano]

I saw your thing. I saw your thing.

[Doug]

He.

[Adam Schafer]

So he's like super. He became super Christian.

[Justin Andrews]

Any of these guys.

[Adam Schafer]

He opened up a gym in Roseville that's like a Christian themed gym. Oh, I heard this.

[Sal Destefano]

No, I didn't know that.

[Adam Schafer]

Johnny was telling me about this and he's like all in that direction. Johnny's like, dude, it's a sick gym. And he's totally pivoted and moved in that direction.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, interesting.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, I'm gonna try and reach out to him because I'd love to. I'd love to go up to his gym and film.

[Sal Destefano]

I like, I'd like to hear your read on that.

[Adam Schafer]

Absolutely.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, I'd like to hear your read on that. I mean, yeah, yeah, but he was never a really good dude.

[Adam Schafer]

No.

[Justin Andrews]

At all.

[Adam Schafer]

No. Not back then. Not back then. Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Well, I mean. Yeah, I also. I've questioned the motives too, so I don't know.

[Adam Schafer]

Always.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. So that's why it'd be interesting.

[Adam Schafer]

But his gym, I think, looks pretty sick quick, so I'm gonna take a look at it.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, I expect that from those guys.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. You know who would know is reach out to your boy Phil.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, Phil. I think Phil talks.

[Justin Andrews]

Does it have a Ferrari leather stupid machine?

[Sal Destefano]

That was a jab. I do eventually want to talk about that. We don't. We don't have time to get into that right now today, but I do want to get into all the. That conversation because I think our audience. So they know kind of what's been going on and everything like that. I think it's important for us to go through all that and explain what has happened over the last year.

[Adam Schafer]

So we're cliffhangering it, right?

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, I'm gonna cliffhanger it right now because a lot of ST Stuff is still going on. But at the. At the end of the day, the reason why it's taking as long as it is for everybody that's been interested in the peptide and that whole breakup and whatever, I can't. I can't disclose everything that went on over there, but it was a show and very difficult for us to. To move on, and we did, and we're. We're taking it very seriously, the next relationship, because it's about our people. It's not about money. The amount of companies and stuff that have been offering and coming after us, they're everywhere. So it's. I've had over 13 calls now on this, and it seems like there's a million of them that every one of them swear they're amazing, they're the best. They'll take care of our people stuff. And so the vetting process and making sure that we don't have to do this again, like, is. Is why it's taking the time. So I apologize for the people that feel like they've been left hanging, but I. I also don't want to make a rash decision either. So that's all. Well, I'll get more into it as we get closer to that.

[Adam Schafer]

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[Doug]

Our first caller is Zach from Indiana.

[Adam Schafer]

What's up, Zach?

[Sal Destefano]

How you doing, Zach?

[Justin Andrews]

Zach.

[Caller 1]

Hey, how are you guys? This is surreal. Oh my gosh.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, good man. How can we help you?

[Sal Destefano]

What's up, man?

[Caller 1]

Yeah, I was just gonna read this because it's a little bit easier. I'm like crazy nervous right now. This is insane.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, no worries.

[Caller 1]

That's okay with you guys?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, go for it.

[Sal Destefano]

Justin's nervous.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh yeah, I sweat a lot.

[Caller 1]

Yeah, I'm shaking and sweating a little bit. Firstly, thank you guys so much for all you do. I've been watching since before COVID started and truly appreciate the example you guys set as husbands, fathers and just being good men and leaders. You have been a huge blessing in my journey in fitness and health. And the main reason I was able to stop doing it incorrectly and actually start to heal my body.

[Justin Andrews]

Nice.

[Caller 1]

So my question is how can I overcome constant muscle fatigue, mainly in my legs? It seems regardless of decent sleep, good nutrition and stretching and water, that I feel a lot of weakness and fatigue throughout the week and sometimes even up until my next leg day or chest day or whatever it may be. Six 1, 315 pounds. A father of two with one on the way. I work in a warehouse about 40 to 50 hours a week and do a four day upper lower split with the fifth day on Friday doing arms and abs. I hit 12, 000 steps a day and do stairmaster and incline walk as my cardio on my lower days. And I'm currently training to build as much strength and muscle as I can because next summer I'll be starting fire academy.

[Sal Destefano]

We might need to reduce the volume a little bit with that amount of activity. Walking a split that's also.

[Adam Schafer]

Let's, let's, let's go back though and talk about what you mean by feeling weak because there's an over trained feeling and then there's a feeling like your muscles just aren't firing the way you.

[Sal Destefano]

Want or you're constantly sore. Yeah. Define what you mean by that.

[Caller 1]

Okay, so it's not typically so much of the soreness. It's just like a weakness kind of like almost like tired legs. I guess you could is the best way I would describe it.

[Adam Schafer]

Okay, first, first place I would. And it says here you went on trt. Did that make a difference? Yeah.

[Caller 1]

So I've been on about six months and got my levels up to about 600. They were for the last five years or so below 300. So that's definitely helped quite a bit with recovery and stuff, along with like creatine and things. But I think I still have a while before I start seeing some, like, real, real benefits from it.

[Adam Schafer]

But. Okay.

[Caller 1]

It's definitely made a difference.

[Sal Destefano]

It could also bump you more than that. It's still pretty low.

[Adam Schafer]

The first place I would look with. Because if you're explaining a weakness that feels kind of like uncharacteristic, like you know your body, right? So if you're like. It just feels like I'm just. My muscles just don't feel like themselves. That can point to a nutrient deficiency. Do you take like minerals, vitamins? Do you take anything like that?

[Caller 2]

That.

[Caller 1]

So I take a beef liver supplement every day. I don't usually take a multivitamin. I use that as my multivitamin and just try to stick to whole foods. And I do take L Theanine, but aside from that, not really.

[Adam Schafer]

Okay.

[Sal Destefano]

I mean, Sal, are you. Are you looking at the. I mean, the. How big of a guy we are, the amount of calories we're eating, the amount of activity that we're doing? Four day split. I just think we're. We're doing a lot right now.

[Adam Schafer]

It says here you eat 15 to 1800 calories a day.

[Caller 1]

No. So I used. That was what I typically would do to lose weight. When I lost my first hundred, I got down to 205 and it was from seven days a week in the gym and eating about 1500. Now I eat about 2000 to 2 20, 200. But I still kind of battle with the. If I'm eating too much and not losing weight or like start gaining weight or anything, kind of like is a. I feel like I need to start.

[Adam Schafer]

Starting myself without testing you because we could do a nutrient. There's. I. I'm pretty. I feel pretty, pretty confident that you have a nutrient deficiency. You're not eating enough calories.

[Sal Destefano]

You're not eating enough.

[Adam Schafer]

Here's what I mean.

[Sal Destefano]

Especially now that he's on testosterone.

[Adam Schafer]

Exactly. So your symptoms or how you're explaining them sounds like a nutrient deficiency, which would feel like my muscles just aren't firing and they're fatiguing way earlier than they normally would. The fact that you're eating so little and you ate so little in the past also points to a nutrient deficiency because that's where you get your nutrients. And I'll be honest with a big guy like you, even if I had a Nutritionist, construct the perfect plan diet. I don't think you could get adequate micronutrients with 2,000 calories for a guy your size.

[Sal Destefano]

No, definitely not.

[Adam Schafer]

So I would start supplementing with a quality multivitamin. So a really good multivitamin. I would also add additional minerals and vitamin D, so D3, zinc, magnesium. I would add those to your multivitamin and then I would.

[Sal Destefano]

Legion has all those, right? Legion has a good product of all those. So if you don't work with Legion. Legion. Legion's got all those.

[Adam Schafer]

By the way, you'll know if I'm. If this is correct within a week. Like, you'll just. So, yeah, bump your calories up to like 26, 2700 to start with. Energy up at least 26, 2700 calories, at least. Start taking the multivitamin with additional minerals and D. And within a week you should notice a difference. If that is indeed the case, I'd.

[Sal Destefano]

Also move them to something more like.

[Adam Schafer]

Map, Synabolic too, in the process.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, I would run a map's anabolic. Bump my calories a little bit, take all your vitamins and supplements, and I think you're going to feel a lot better. You also could talk to your doctor too, about maybe bumping the testosterone a little bit. 650 is not bad, but it's not in the upper limits of. Of. Of normal. Right. So you could still. You can easily go up to 900 to 11 and be in that. That healthy range. I think going up a little bit in that.

[Adam Schafer]

In.

[Sal Destefano]

I don't know if you're managing your dose or they are, but if they allow you to go up a little bit in that. And then bumping calories.

[Adam Schafer]

Honestly, start with the calories and nutrients first, though.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Because that, that you'll see if. If that's the case immediate, you'll notice it within a. Maybe even within days.

[Caller 1]

Eating that much seems terrifying.

[Adam Schafer]

No, bro, listen, let me. Let me tell you right now, a 100, a woman that weighed 145 pounds with this much activity, 2, 000 calories is too low.

[Sal Destefano]

Too low for her. Yeah, yeah.

[Caller 1]

Oh, wow.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

You just, you just. Your body's just. It's running on fumes, dude.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, no, we need to get you preserving as much. Yeah, yeah, we need to get you up to like 3, 500, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You need like. But that ain't gonna happen overnight. Like, you gotta. We gotta work our way up there. But let me tell you one of the best parts about Being on TRT and eating a calorie surplus and lifting.

[Adam Schafer]

Weights, you'll build muscle.

[Sal Destefano]

They're gonna, you're gonna build muscle. Dude, dude, that the, those calories, those calories will get partitioned over to building muscle. You have a, you have a loud muscle building signal 24 7. When you're on synthetic testosterone.

[Adam Schafer]

How many, how many grams of protein and fat are you getting on that, on what you're eating now?

[Caller 1]

I couldn't tell you. The only thing I've, I've had bad relationship with like tracking, so the only thing I track is my protein and calories. I eat about 200 to 225 grams of protein a day.

[Adam Schafer]

And are you, are you going for lean protein?

[Caller 1]

I do ground beef and I do do two scoops of whey protein.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, bro, your, your nutrients are too low. Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty, I'm pretty sure, like I said, you'll know within a week. And the supplements I mentioned are super cheap. Eat additional food. I mean, I would bump you up even higher, but I'm starting you off slow so you don't freak out. And I think within, like I said, within days, you're just going to feel like a different person. If, if what I'm saying is indeed.

[Justin Andrews]

Right, your output when you're training is going to totally change as well. So. So all of that is in the positive if you just kind of stick with that.

[Adam Schafer]

If you told me what you were eating with your strength training, cardio and activity and you said, guess how I feel, I would guess what you're telling me. I'd say you probably feel weak and tired.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Caller 1]

So that makes sense.

[Sal Destefano]

Are you still doing football on the weekends too?

[Caller 1]

That actually just ended.

[Adam Schafer]

Okay.

[Sal Destefano]

Okay, good. A 50 hour work week. Football is on, on the side. Yeah. I might even go Mass 15. I might even go all the way down to that. That, bro.

[Caller 1]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Can we, can we get you on Mass 15? Will you follow that?

[Caller 1]

As much as I'd hate to, I have been listening to you guys forever and I trust every word that you guys say, so. Absolutely. All right, let's do about 10 to 15 sets per body part right now.

[Adam Schafer]

Per workout?

[Caller 1]

No, like per week per muscle group.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, that's. That's all right. You know what? Let's go Mass 15. Do what we said with the calories, the supplements. Let's have you back on in 60 days.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. I think within two weeks you'll already see and feel a difference though.

[Adam Schafer]

Just so you know, like a new human was.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. Yeah, you should feel a lot better.

[Caller 1]

That'd be nice. I want to get actually strong for my size. I feel so weak for being.

[Sal Destefano]

No, you will, you'll get strong, you'll get. What's going to be difficult for you to wrap your brain around is that we're going to make you even eat more, you're going to do less and you're going to get stronger and feel better. Eventually we can ramp up volume and stuff like that, but we got to get the calories up, get you fat, get those nutrients in you and then you'll start to see a difference. Hang in there.

[Adam Schafer]

Yep.

[Caller 1]

Yeah, I appreciate you guys. Thank you so much.

[Adam Schafer]

All right, man, thanks bro. Yeah, should be an easy fix.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

You know he's like just, just so people know. By the way, psychologically competitive bodybuilders on who take enough steroids to kill a horse feel weak when they're pre contest because their calories are low and they're doing so much activity they feel weak.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

So I, I, it's natural. Yeah, I, I, he's bro, he's a.

[Justin Andrews]

Big, well he's not eating enough.

[Adam Schafer]

He's eating.

[Justin Andrews]

No way.

[Adam Schafer]

Low calories for a, a woman.

[Sal Destefano]

That's a, I never went lower than 2300 calories.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Ever. Yeah, that's.

[Adam Schafer]

And how strong did you feel?

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, yeah. The last two weeks you feel like a walking dead man. But that's last two weeks before stage is 2300 calories. Yeah, that's the diet, all the activity.

[Justin Andrews]

And none of the calories.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. So this will, he should feel difference really. If he does everything he said he should feel it like right away.

[Doug]

Our next caller is Tyron from Australia.

[Adam Schafer]

What's up Tyron?

[Sal Destefano]

How you doing man?

[Justin Andrews]

What's happening?

[Caller 2]

Hey guys, how's it going?

[Sal Destefano]

Good, yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

How can we help you?

[Caller 2]

Look, I just want to thank you guys real quick for having me here. I want to also give a quick shout out to my mate Aaron from Wales for putting me on to you guys. To be honest, been absolutely obsessed with yourself since I started earlier this year. Yeah. In terms of my question, I guess I'm feeling a little lost in terms of where I'm at with my fitness journey. About three and a half years into it now. I started around, yeah, early 20s and I was about 128 kilos. I was yeah, quite overweight at the time for 5 foot 7. So I was mostly doing it for medical reasons as I had like massive ankle sick up. So I experienced like a lot of seizures and stuff like that, even just going upstairs. So since, you know, shedding a lot of that down to about 88 now, I hover anywhere from 88 to about 86 kg. I feel a lot better. But, yeah, the symptoms reduced, like, absolutely a metric ton. So that's been the biggest thing for me. But, yeah, I think I'm at that point where I'm like, aesthetically, I. I think I would like to continue to cut, but I also am having issues with my relationship with food in general. Like, after tracking for so long, it's been a lot of yo, yo diving, obviously, as the discipline. Tired, sorry. Seems to wear thin fair bit over time, especially over, like a couple years, like trying to reduce, reduce, reduce. Like, there was points where I, like, go down to, like 1200 calories, which was mental given me and my activity level. As I tend to train about, like, probably five to four times a week on average. And my daily steps has always been anywhere from like 10 to 20k a day.

[Adam Schafer]

So.

[Caller 2]

Yeah, no, that definitely shouldn't be that long calories at any point. Yeah, I'm just. I guess the premise of the question is how do you find your next step or your next goal? Fitness. Really?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, Good question. And by the way, great job, dude.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. Yeah. £100 on your own there. That's incredible.

[Adam Schafer]

That's phenomenal. Okay, so here's how you know where you should go next. It's both. It's a combination of what you want to do and what you think you should do. Now, sometimes those are different, and so when they're different, you try to find a way to want to do what you need to do. So I think the right answer for you is to take your focus away from your appearance and move it towards more of a performance goal. But I did hear you say you want, you know, you want to continue to work on aesthetics. So the way I'm going to sell it to you is I'm going to ask you a question. Would you like to continue on this fitness journey in a way that doesn't feel stressful, that feels comfortable, relaxed and fun?

[Caller 2]

I mean, yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Then that's going to be the performance one. So if we get you to focus on performance, it's going to be a little scary at first because you're not focused on the mirror or aesthetics. But it's going to feel very freeing to somebody like you who's gone through this whole process of cutting and trying to lose weight. And I think focusing on things like strength, mobility, it's going to be a Whole new chapter for you and you're really going to enjoy it.

[Sal Destefano]

Have you followed any maps programs yet?

[Caller 2]

No, not previously. I've had a look at a couple of them. Like your powerlifting foundation.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, that's be a great one for him to watch.

[Justin Andrews]

I think powerless would be.

[Sal Destefano]

Powerlift would be a great program for you. That would be a great program for you. Right now. Dialed in just, just like, like Sal said, just, just focus on getting stronger. And then where are your calories currently at right now?

[Caller 2]

Right now? I'm not tracking it. Also, I finally just forgot about the scale. I've forgotten about tracking anything. I'm just trying to eat, just enjoy and train at the moment. And it's been both terrifying but also freeing.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, good.

[Caller 2]

So, yeah, and my lifts have finally gone back up. Like squat is getting back to 200 bench, I'm trying to get back to 130 and deadlift. I've only just reintroduced so I'm hoping to get that above 180 soon.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Your 200 kilogram squat. Wow. It's a 400 and what is it? 20 pound squat. That's pretty good. Yeah.

[Caller 2]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

You're strong, dude.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. Yeah. You're gonna.

[Adam Schafer]

Let's do powerless.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Caller 2]

Power.

[Sal Destefano]

Power lift is the move. Keep feeding the body.

[Adam Schafer]

Eat the whole natural foods.

[Sal Destefano]

If you track or pay attention, just protein, just pay. Hit your protein goals, feed the body. Yeah, that's the main thing. Hit those protein goals, get strong. Follow that after that program.

[Justin Andrews]

Watch what happens aesthetically as well.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, yeah. Down the road, just, just going all the way through that program. Training to get strong. Watch what happens to your physique.

[Adam Schafer]

And you're already strong considering your calories are low and all that. So this will be great.

[Caller 2]

Yeah. Well, if I were to estimate it roughly right now, like I'm probably eating anywhere from like 26 to 800, sometimes maybe 3,000.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, you're a good place.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh yeah. Let's go power level. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, some PRs.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, you're a good place. Stay fed though. Okay. Don't, don't.

[Caller 2]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Well, you're hungry.

[Caller 2]

I try.

[Sal Destefano]

You're hungry. Feed.

[Caller 2]

Yeah, I've been trying to do like more running in general. Like I recently watched physical, Physical Asia and I was like completely immersed. Like the athleticism of these people, like their performance is just either real. So as, I don't know, kind of shifted my training style in that way. Like I added more plyometrics and just way more like cardiovascular training.

[Adam Schafer]

Do you like that?

[Caller 2]

I've actually been enjoying it a fair bit recently.

[Sal Destefano]

Let's go listen in Power lift, though, right now.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, but, you know, if. But here's the thing, though. What excites you more? Power lift or more of that athletic training? Because that. That's. That's the direction you should go is the one that excites you more.

[Caller 2]

Yeah, I mean, it's like a. It's like a fork on the road. Like, both paths, like, excite me. I think with powerlifting, I'm terrified of hurting my joints more, but I also love the idea of being stronger. And then with the athletic park, I mean, it's just. It sounds so nice to just not be so out of breath when I want to go for, like, a run or something like that. Like, I live in tattoo, so I often go on hikes and trail runs.

[Sal Destefano]

I see. I say the flip. I still like power lift first, and then going into that, it'll lay a better foundation for him.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

I mean, that's ideal, but. Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

So you're. You're torn. You're okay with either direction?

[Caller 2]

Oh, I have a way. Like, I'll be doing it for the rest of my life, so it doesn't really matter.

[Adam Schafer]

Power lift after that, go to performance. You're good?

[Caller 2]

Yeah. Okay.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. Let's do it, dude.

[Sal Destefano]

Get strong. Feed the body. Hit that protein intake. You're gonna be good.

[Justin Andrews]

We'll get back on your movement and.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Get you up to speed.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Caller 3]

Okay.

[Adam Schafer]

Yep.

[Sal Destefano]

Doug will send that over to.

[Caller 2]

Oh, thank you so much. I appreciate.

[Sal Destefano]

Course, of course. Thanks.

[Adam Schafer]

Go back.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. I appreciate the support over there, man.

[Caller 2]

No worries. You guys take care, and I appreciate your time.

[Sal Destefano]

You too. Right on.

[Adam Schafer]

Great, kid. Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

He's a good place.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. Strong.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. He'll be all right. I know. I. I sometimes it sound like he said pounds, and sometimes said he.

[Adam Schafer]

Kilos. Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Was it 200?

[Adam Schafer]

200 kilos?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

It wasn't 200.

[Doug]

I believe so.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, bro.

[Adam Schafer]

No. 420 in his deadlift.

[Sal Destefano]

Well, it makes sense, because I thought that's kind of a light squat for a light bench press, but it's the opposite.

[Adam Schafer]

He's hella strong.

[Sal Destefano]

He's pushing Good weight.

[Adam Schafer]

420 pounds. Yeah. Yeah. That's really good.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

At a body weight of 193.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

And he could have got just for the audience. He could have gone either way. And I. And I know Sal was leaning the other way because he's into it, but if he was, he's just as open to both. I Think it's a better pathway to build.

[Adam Schafer]

I don't think there's a right answer, honestly. I mean, I could, I can make the case for either. But the fact that here's the important thing, they're performance oriented. You know what I mean?

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

It's not aesthetic. He's been so focused on the scale and aesthetics. They're both going to be valid.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. But my, my brain goes. The guy who admits that he's kind of yo yo dieted until. And lost, you know, 80 to 100 pounds on his own, like doing a cal, you know, like a circuit tripe.

[Justin Andrews]

Of athletic too, because I think, yeah, like performance a bit more comprehensive with the movements and like a lot of things going on on, you know, we're just going to dial it in and then kind of move. That's.

[Adam Schafer]

That's why the thing with somebody who's yo yo dieted is that powerlift could either do. It could. It could also move in a direction where you just start eating like crazy, whereas performance has a bit of a checks and balances because you start to lose athleticism when you get too heavy. So I could see either one as a good direction. But, but he said something that made me realize like this is this, this. He's on the right path. He said, I'm going to do this for the rest of my life. Yeah, yeah. So it's like he's gonna do one and then the other.

[Justin Andrews]

Great.

[Adam Schafer]

So he's good.

[Caller 3]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Our next caller is Andrew from North Carolina.

[Adam Schafer]

What's up, man?

[Sal Destefano]

How you doing, Andrew?

[Justin Andrews]

What's going on?

[Caller 3]

Hey guys. Good, good to talk to you. How are you doing today?

[Sal Destefano]

Good, dude.

[Adam Schafer]

Thanks for coming on. How can we help you?

[Caller 3]

Hey, so I've been listening for a couple years now. I've been struggling with my weight for a while. In 2022, at my heaviest, I weighed 519 pounds. I was able to lose down to right around 400 in a little over a year. Then with some personal things, fell off the wagon, gained most of it back. So back in April of this year, I weighed 5:16, went and saw a doctor, had some blood work done, found out I had vitamin D deficiency. And then recently I've, after listening to you guys, have had some blood work done to check my testosterone levels, which are abysmal. My total testosterone number was like 119 and my free testosterone was I think 2.2. So I talked to my PA about that and he kind of wanted me to wait another month before I jumped onto any kind of treatment. Then I saw him a month later, and I had lost £15 since then. So I weighed myself this morning. I'm down to 468 right now. So I've lost almost £50 since April. Now, my question is, you know, I hear you guys talking about reverse dieting a lot, and my calories. For the last couple months, I've been eating about 2200 calories a day and trying to hit, like, 200 grams of protein, but I really struggle to hit 200 grams of protein. On a good day, I'm eating like 180, and I'm not getting any very many carbs, you know, a decent amount of fats in. But I guess what I'm asking is I don't know where I should be at with my calories, and I really don't know what my protein target should be and how to hit it consistently. That's, I guess, my first question.

[Sal Destefano]

Are you consistent, Andrew, with your lifts? Are you lifting consistently?

[Caller 3]

Yeah, four or five days a week. I've been using the Map split program. I know it's a lot of volume, a lot of time in the gym, but I feel like I need to be in the gym most days to stay consistent and not kind of fall into old habits. I'm not able to do all the exercises. A lot of the unilateral stuff, like, I couldn't do a Bulgarian split squat if my life depended on me right now. And I don't know how to scale that down to be able to build up to that other than to just do.

[Caller 1]

Really.

[Caller 3]

I do, like, the first four days of split and then rest. Usually take a rest day on Wednesday, lift Monday, Tuesday, and then Thursday, Friday.

[Sal Destefano]

What would you say your average steps are?

[Caller 3]

I started out shooting for 7,000 a day. I'm probably at about 9,000 on average.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, that's great, dude.

[Sal Destefano]

Thank you.

[Adam Schafer]

Are you on a GLP1?

[Caller 3]

I am not. My doctor prescribed phentermine, which is. I guess it's not a GLP one, but I don't know exactly what it is.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, really strong stimulant that's killing your appetite, I'm assuming.

[Caller 3]

Yeah. You know, I've never really. My problem was always eating late at night. I never really had problems with, like, snacking throughout the day. But now a lot of times, I don't even really feel hungry at lunch. I kind of have to force myself to eat lunch.

[Sal Destefano]

That's why we're having a hard time hitting the 200 grams of protein.

[Adam Schafer]

Right. When you're. When you're Overeating. When you're in. In those. Those places where you're starting to, you know, eat a lot or put the weight back on. What. What foods are you reaching for? What does that look like?

[Caller 3]

Oh, it's doordash. It's just garbage from fast food restaurants from doordash. So that's one of the things I did, was just delete delivery services off my phone.

[Adam Schafer]

Good for you. What's the difference between your appetite then and your appetite now?

[Caller 3]

My appetite is definitely less now, but I think the focus on protein, which is something that I've gotten from listening to you guys, has really helped me control even the amount of calories I'm taking in on an average meal. For breakfast this morning, I ate like, 600 calories. That was eggs, bacon, and cottage cheese. And that's my breakfast most mornings.

[Sal Destefano]

Breakfast.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

[Sal Destefano]

I like that.

[Adam Schafer]

So. And you're sticking to whole natural foods?

[Caller 3]

Doing my best to. Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Okay.

[Caller 3]

I'd say in the last month, I've had pizza once, and that's, like, the one meal that I've been off on, and that was over Thanksgiving when my parents were here.

[Adam Schafer]

Good for you, dude.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

You're doing great, man.

[Sal Destefano]

You are doing good.

[Adam Schafer]

So here's the key.

[Sal Destefano]

We need to eat more, though.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, here's the key. Okay. I'd want you to eat four meals a day with about 50 grams of protein in each meal.

[Caller 3]

Okay.

[Adam Schafer]

That's it. And eat the protein first. And if you're still hungry, eat everything else after. Stick the whole natural foods. Make that a mission. I have to eat at least the 50 grams of protein per meal. I have to, so. And make that happen. I want to change your workout.

[Sal Destefano]

Yes. Okay, good.

[Adam Schafer]

I. I don't, like, split for you. It's just way too much.

[Sal Destefano]

You can still go to the gym that many days. We're just gonna have you walk on the extra time.

[Adam Schafer]

I'm gonna give you maps 15. That's your strength training. And the rest of the time that you're in the gym, walk. You just get on the treadmill and do a slow walk? Yep, that's it.

[Caller 4]

Walk.

[Sal Destefano]

Okay, so stay there for the full hour like you normally do. But now it's like you do your two good lifts. Lift strong. So try and move weight right. And then. And then get over the treadmill and just walk.

[Adam Schafer]

That's it.

[Sal Destefano]

Just walk.

[Adam Schafer]

That's it. Okay.

[Sal Destefano]

Rest of the time.

[Adam Schafer]

And then. And then just. And just do that. And if you're consistent with that, everything will come into place. In fact, I think your appetite will go up a little bit with, for the protein, with that kind of a training program, because you're probably going to get stronger, but we'll see what happens. But if you're hungry and you want pizza, you want doordash, but you're like, man, I haven't eaten my protein. Eat the protein now.

[Sal Destefano]

I'm, I'm, I'm not a doctor or in the position to tell you that you should get on trt, but I guarantee if you see a hormone specialist, they would have put you on TRT already because it's only going to accelerate your results.

[Adam Schafer]

It'll make a big difference.

[Sal Destefano]

It'll make a huge difference because you, you lift those weights, you hit that protein, you're going to build muscle and that's going to speed your material.

[Adam Schafer]

Here's the other thing. You're taking vitamin D now?

[Caller 3]

Yeah, I'm taking 5,000, whatever the amount. I take that every day.

[Adam Schafer]

And. And when did you start that?

[Caller 3]

Back in April.

[Adam Schafer]

Okay. Your testosterone probably is going to go up just from that, too.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, but not that much.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, we'll see.

[Caller 3]

Well, I did the vitamin D test was in April, and then the testosterone blood work was in October.

[Adam Schafer]

Okay. Yeah. Yeah, you should probably get on trt.

[Sal Destefano]

It's going to make a huge difference. It's hard to build, it's hard to build muscle on that low of testosterone. So it's not. And I, I, your general practitioner is thinking this just gets down some of that weight. And that part of the reason why your testosterone is low is because you have all this extra weight. It'll help with everything. It'll get you into that position where you're building muscle. Your metabolism kicks up like.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. Are you on any other medications?

[Caller 3]

No, just the phentermine and that's a 30 milligram dose. It's okay. When I first talked to him, the goal was to get me was to do that for like three months and then switch to one of the GLP1s. And we just never have. And his attitude has kind of been like, you're losing weight, so don't switch it up while something's working.

[Adam Schafer]

Request the switch. Okay. GLP one's way safer than really help.

[Justin Andrews]

With the food noise.

[Sal Destefano]

But hopefully he gives him one that he can modulate the dose. Right. Because don't kill, don't do the, don't do the Ozempic or Manjaro one where they're in the preloaded pension. You want one that your doctor can give you a lower Destroyer. We don't want to do what we don't want to do, which at least 80% of the people that get on GOPO ones is. It crushes their appetite. And then, yeah, they eat way less food and they lose more weight fast, but they lose muscle just as fast.

[Adam Schafer]

Here's another.

[Sal Destefano]

And you already are telling me you're having a hard time hitting 200 grams of protein. That is going to make it 10 times harder.

[Adam Schafer]

Here's another option. Another option is get off the phentermine, hit the protein targets, which you should be able to do, to do off the phentermine, hold off on adding anything else and maybe work with a coach.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. See how it goes.

[Adam Schafer]

And have a coach work, work with you through this process.

[Sal Destefano]

I mean, I'd prefer no GLP1 and what's the phentamine, whatever the it's called. And just trt because TRT is going in. In increasing his calories, hitting his grams of protein, putting him on a better program is going to build muscle.

[Adam Schafer]

I would want. I would want you with a coach, though, go going through all that for sure. Are you open to working with a coach?

[Caller 3]

Absolutely. I just. I haven't found one that I'm comfortable with here. When I first moved down here three years ago, I was going to a big corporate gym and I worked with one of their trainers for like a month, but he had me doing.

[Caller 1]

No, no, no.

[Adam Schafer]

We got good.

[Sal Destefano]

We'll set you with one of our.

[Adam Schafer]

I'll have someone call you.

[Sal Destefano]

Our team will take care of you.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, they'll take care. And I think if you see that now I'm comfortable because if you go off the fence, I mean, you're appetite, it's going to go up. But now you're with a coach who's going to coach you through this whole process and individualize the workout and do the whole thing. And then. And then I feel very confident.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Caller 3]

Awesome.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. We're having one of the coaches call you Angel.

[Caller 3]

Thank you so much.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, they'll take care of all this with you, brother.

[Adam Schafer]

You got to do.

[Sal Destefano]

Yep. You're on your way.

[Adam Schafer]

I'll be seeing you. But I'll be seeing you. By the way, I pop in those calls sometimes.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, yeah, we'll see you.

[Caller 3]

Awesome. I look forward to it. Thank you guys so much. I appreciate you.

[Sal Destefano]

All right, brother.

[Adam Schafer]

I didn't know they prescribed that still.

[Justin Andrews]

I didn't either.

[Sal Destefano]

Is that like. Is that like finfin?

[Adam Schafer]

I believe it is. Fintra means fin phen, right?

[Sal Destefano]

Is that what finfin Is.

[Adam Schafer]

I think so.

[Sal Destefano]

I've never heard.

[Adam Schafer]

Double check, Doug on that.

[Sal Destefano]

I think it's.

[Adam Schafer]

It's a stimulant based appetite suppressor.

[Sal Destefano]

Legal meth.

[Adam Schafer]

I don't know if it's a methamphetamine.

[Sal Destefano]

It's in the family, though.

[Adam Schafer]

That's a good question.

[Sal Destefano]

I think it's in the family, Doug.

[Adam Schafer]

Look it up. So we're not totally wrong here. I mean, I don't freak everybody out.

[Caller 1]

I don't know.

[Sal Destefano]

But I mean, you get them off all that and put them on trt. I mean, it's so funny. How funny is this to me? Dr. Hesitant to put you on TRT. You're at 119. Put you on FIN. FIN or GLP1 right away.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, but I could tell you, I could tell you why, though. Why?

[Doug]

It's a combination of fenfluramine and phentermine.

[Adam Schafer]

Okay, so it is. And it's stimulant, right?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

What's. What family is it from though? Is it like methamphetamine or is it like.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, let's see if it's a. See if it's a methamphetamine.

[Sal Destefano]

I bet it is. So, I mean, explain that to me. Why? Why? Why?

[Adam Schafer]

Because he's so, he's so big.

[Sal Destefano]

I know he's going, oh, if we.

[Justin Andrews]

Lose weight, all they think about is yes.

[Sal Destefano]

No, no, no.

[Adam Schafer]

What. So when you're, when you, because what you worry about with going on, going up in testosterone, this is somebody, this is a tradition.

[Sal Destefano]

The GP is obviously a GP going up in testosterone.

[Adam Schafer]

You're worried about blood lipids getting altered. He's, he's already heavy. You don't want to increase potential inflammation, water retention because that could increase his risk of other issues. So we're. You're dealing with a special population with somebody who's lose 500 pounds.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

And so they're like, you know, with testosterone, what are the risks of testosterone?

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, but, yeah, but this also shows you what, like how narrow of a scope of the doctor is. Because you're right. If this is just an obese person who we're trying to get lose weight and he's not strength training. But if he's telling me I'm lifting weights three to four times a week, I'm like, like right away with one.

[Justin Andrews]

Of our coaches, it's a different.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, because I wouldn't if that's why I asked. The first thing I said, hey, how consistent with your workouts? Oh, I work out four times a week lifting weights and it's split. It's like, okay, that guy gets his testosterone levels up right away. And even if he accidentally has some pizza every once in a while, and.

[Adam Schafer]

Not to mention going from 100, you know, total to 500 is huge. Improves your health.

[Sal Destefano]

Huge.

[Adam Schafer]

It improves your health.

[Sal Destefano]

That's why it's crazy to me.

[Adam Schafer]

What does it say there?

[Doug]

Yeah, it's not a methamphetamine. It's a amphetamine.

[Adam Schafer]

Amphetamine. Oh, it's an amphetamine. It's still an amphetamine.

[Doug]

But they're not the same.

[Adam Schafer]

No, no, no.

[Sal Destefano]

They take the meth out, so it doesn't sound so bad.

[Adam Schafer]

It gets you high.

[Doug]

They're chemically related.

[Adam Schafer]

It gets you high. Yeah. I'm surprised they still. They still prescribe that.

[Sal Destefano]

So it. But it is the thin fin. That's what it is. Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Right. Half the. Half of it is.

[Sal Destefano]

Okay. Yeah. That's the only way I've ever heard.

[Adam Schafer]

And they sprinkle something else in there.

[Doug]

Our next caller is Corinne from New Jersey.

[Adam Schafer]

Hi, Corinne.

[Sal Destefano]

Hello.

[Caller 1]

Hello.

[Caller 2]

Hi.

[Caller 4]

How are you?

[Justin Andrews]

Good.

[Sal Destefano]

How are you doing?

[Adam Schafer]

How are you doing?

[Caller 2]

Good.

[Caller 4]

I'm very excited. This is actually my second time in about a year talking to you guys.

[Adam Schafer]

Welcome back.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, welcome back.

[Caller 4]

Thanks. I'll keep it really simple and I'll get into it. I'm 36 years old and I just want to thank you guys for everything you do because you have absolutely inspired me. Fitness has always been in my life. I was a gymnast for probably 15 years, and then after I graduated high school, I got into CrossFit and boxing and strength training and all of it. So I have a pretty well rounded fitness in me to go along with my question. Basically, I've always been training, like my friends and my family when we go to the gym. I've written them workout plans. And my husband and I, with the support of my husband, I should say, we decided to finish our basement. We have a walkout basement, so it's a separate access from our house. And I wanted to start training people there. My plan is to file for, like, an LLC to make sure I'm protected and things like that. I've already looked into it. That's obviously on the horizon. I don't have any fancy certifications or anything like that. It's really just my experience, my knowledge, my research that I've done. Obviously a whole lot of research listening to you guys and obviously beyond that. With that being said, my question would be just any advice and tips that you may have as I Navigate this.

[Caller 2]

This.

[Caller 4]

I'm still working full time. I'm a teacher. So obviously my end game in the years to come would have this be my job.

[Sal Destefano]

Have you taken our course yet?

[Caller 4]

I have not. This has all really come to light within the past few months. I'm aware of your course. Obviously. I listen to your episodes very frequently. I just didn't really know what that entailed, but obviously I think that would help me.

[Sal Destefano]

It's geared towards somebody like you. So it's less on the national certification education.

[Adam Schafer]

It is recognized nationally.

[Sal Destefano]

It is recognized nationally and it'll give you CUs for, but it's more towards helping someone like you build your business.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, it's about building your business and how to coach people.

[Sal Destefano]

Yes.

[Adam Schafer]

So how to be an effective coach and also how to build your business. Both of those, which I think are basically what we put in there, was let's. Let's say you came to work for me in a gym and you're a new trainer. It's all the stuff that I would teach you, okay? All the important stuff.

[Sal Destefano]

And then you're. Then you're dumped in the environment of over a thousand trainers that have gone through that certification that are in similar situations, some obviously further ahead than you, some just getting started also, so that now you're in a community with all of us where we're mentoring and bringing them along.

[Adam Schafer]

Now, if I could give you a little advice. Now you're a teacher. Who do you. What grade do you teach?

[Caller 4]

I teach fifth grade.

[Adam Schafer]

Okay, fifth grade. So you know this. As a teacher, what makes you effective is less of what you know and more of how you build your relationship with your students. Wouldn't you agree?

[Caller 4]

Yeah, no, definitely. Absolutely. That's like the key part.

[Adam Schafer]

It's the same when you train clients. It's exactly the same. It's how good of a relationship, what kind of a relationship can you build with clients? Do they trust you? Do they come to you when they mess up? That's real important. Are you able to influence them effectively and are you able to meet them where they're at? Because this is the big challenge with new trainers. As a new trainer, you're going to want to give them all the answers, like, I want to lose 30 pounds, okay? Do all this stuff. You got to meet them right where they're at and allow them to help guide the pace. Now you're going to push a little bit, but you. You really help them. They guide the pace. Because if you push too hard, you'll push them in the wrong direction.

[Sal Destefano]

Just, just a curiosity where, where, like right now will you get your leads to do that? That'll be the most difficult part for like starting in like a home outside.

[Justin Andrews]

Your family and all that.

[Caller 4]

So I actually do have personal training experience. My cousin owns his own like Fitness. It's like a wellness and fitness gym. And I did train for his company years ago and with teaching full time and then I got pregnant, so it just wasn't the right time for me. I loved it, I enjoyed it a lot and it was successful. But now I feel like that my daughter is six years old, I have more time. We have our own house and it's just a little bit easier now. I'm not saying it's easy, but I just, I feel like it's a better time for us. I made an Instagram to start promoting locally and that seemed to help. I already have five people that I am training for free.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, awesome.

[Caller 4]

Just, it's friends and family. It's basically just to get my foot in the door and to see what people want and how they're responding to what I can offer at the moment. And it's working. Again, it's friends and family, so that's okay.

[Sal Destefano]

It's great.

[Caller 4]

Yeah. And I feel like they're the ones who are going to give me the most honest advice, which I need. I guess what I'm just most hesitant or nervous about is, you know, and my biggest thing to ask you guys is marketing and trying not to burn myself out because this is a passion and I don't want it to become a burnout.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, I think one, the way you're starting is the way we recommend is we tell, we talk a lot about getting the first hundred reps, get 100 people through you, through training with you. I don't care if it's free, I don't care if it's its family. So you're already on the right path of like, just get bodies in front of you so you can get that great feedback while you're doing that. The course we get into also that like building a social platform and actually getting, getting, building community, that's a lot of what we talk about. So that's, that's going to be the direction that you're going to go. And it, that it's a slow process. It takes time, you know, but you'll get good at it over, over time. And then I don't know how, how far out you are from like a city and other business and stuff like that. But then starting to also we. And we talk about this in the course. You know, collaborating with local, you know, nutrition shops and nail salons and hair salons and. Okay, yeah. Doing things where, again, same type of attitude. Get in there for free. Build relationships, offer, like, some of the service to be known and be helping those people and then leverage those relationships, potentially get leads for paying clients.

[Adam Schafer]

Teach you all that in the course. But, you know, I was gonna go. I was gonna go exactly there, Adam, because one. One mistake a lot of trainers make now is they think the primary way they're going to gain clients locally is through social media.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, it's hard to do that way.

[Adam Schafer]

No, no, no. If you go outside of your house, into your community, and you, you know, if I was with you within a week, I would get you six clients just. Just from around where you're at. Very easy.

[Justin Andrews]

Right.

[Caller 4]

And I'm not like a huge social media person. I actually don't have it for myself, so I would rather go out and promote myself that way. I. I am trying to be better with social media, but I do struggle with it because I don't have it myself. So that was another question. Is. What is another. And you answered it for me. Another way to kind of network here.

[Adam Schafer]

I'll give you an easy one, Corrine. Go to some local businesses, like small businesses, and train the owner for free.

[Caller 4]

Oh, okay.

[Adam Schafer]

Introduce yourself. Hey, I just opened a gym. It's in my basement. I was a Competitive gymnast for 12 years. I love working out. I'm starting. Starting. I'd like to. Let me just train you for free. Let me just. I just. I'm looking to train people, and I'll. I'll take you through some workouts. I specialize in this. Do you currently work out and just start training these owners for free? They'll become referral factories for you. Yep.

[Caller 4]

Okay. Yeah, no, that's. That's great advice. Um, what I. This might be in the course as well. But what do you recommend as, like, a client load for right now while I am still teaching full time?

[Adam Schafer]

While you're teaching full time?

[Caller 4]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. That depends on you.

[Sal Destefano]

That really depends on you, because you got kids, too.

[Caller 4]

Okay.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Caller 4]

Okay, that makes sense.

[Sal Destefano]

I mean, find that limit. You know what I'm saying? Keep going until you find that limit. You'll know better than anybody else. Like, about what?

[Caller 4]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, because I've seen it. I've seen it as low as 12 to as high as 35, depending on the. The trainer and how crazy they are, how Much they're balancing.

[Adam Schafer]

Just keep this in mind, Corinne. When you're training people, you're on. So 20 sessions a week is not like 20 hours a week at another job, you're on in front of people. So just keep that in mind when you're training.

[Caller 4]

Okay, thank you. That's really helpful. So for the course, obviously, I've heard you guys talk about it, but how do you go about signing up for it? Is it obviously right on your website?

[Adam Schafer]

Doug's sending it to you, right?

[Sal Destefano]

Doug will send it to you. We could also have somebody call you if you have questions and we'll give you a call. Yeah, we'll have Ann call you, then you can. Whatever questions you have, she'll share.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, she'll go over it with you.

[Doug]

Okay.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Caller 4]

Because obviously my goal here is to transition into doing it full time and hopefully leave my teaching job. But that's for years to come. Like, I understand it's going to take. Take a lot of work and networking.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Caller 4]

That. That's the ultimate goal. And I have the whole summer to really promote that because I don't work in the summer.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, perfect.

[Sal Destefano]

You're going to love Ann because Ann is the ex teacher, so that's what she. What she did before she was trainer. So you'll. You'll love talking to her. She'll be great for you.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Expect me.

[Caller 2]

Yeah.

[Caller 4]

That's like, the part I love about it is writing up the workouts because obviously I have the experience of typing those things up and being organized. It's just taking that next step.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. You're gonna love it. Yeah, you're gonna love it.

[Caller 4]

Awesome.

[Sal Destefano]

She'll help you and we'll send over.

[Doug]

Yeah. Look in your email box when you get. Get off the phone here.

[Caller 4]

Okay, awesome. Thank you. I really appreciate it. I'm very motivated.

[Adam Schafer]

All right, awesome. Can't wait to see in the course.

[Caller 4]

Thank you. I appreciate it, guys. Nice seeing you again.

[Adam Schafer]

That's exactly where I was gonna go, because she's like, I'm doing social media, but she's training people in person. A lot of trainers, like, it's. You'll get more clients faster if you don't go on social media and you go outside life.

[Sal Destefano]

Well, I think it's all local. I had a great talk with our trainers yesterday about that. And, you know, getting five or ten people in person listening to me for a half hour hour giving value is more valuable than me getting a thousand eyeballs on social media in front of me. And so even though both have their value and have their advantages. Those people who I meet, it's so much easier for me to then go, oh and by the way, I have this free Facebook group where people just like you, I'm helping them with diet recommendations and exercise and it's free. So it's really easy to after you've met me for a half hour hour talking to you, giving you value, to convince you then to join my free community. And you just keep repeating rants, just keep doing that. You do do that 20 times and you gain five to 10 people each time. And now you got yourself a little community and soon you'll have a little business out of that.

[Adam Schafer]

Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. We'll see you. It's at Mind Pump Media.

[Doug]

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