2769: The Hidden Benefits of Fitness Nobody Talks About

Summary

Mind Pump Ep. 2769: The Hidden Benefits of Fitness Nobody Talks About

Hosts: Sal Di Stefano, Adam Schafer, Justin Andrews, Doug Egge
Date: January 10, 2026

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Overview

In this episode, the Mind Pump crew explores the often overlooked, unconventional, or "hidden" benefits of regular fitness and exercise, digging well beyond the classic topics of fat loss and muscle gain. Drawing from experience, recent studies, and real coaching stories, Sal, Adam, and Justin discuss how fitness impacts earning potential, productivity, mood, creativity, sex life, and more. As usual, the show also features live Q&A caller segments, blending highly actionable advice with their trademark witty banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Secret to Lifelong Fitness: Unconventional Benefits

• Staying consistent with fitness is much more about recognizing all the life benefits it confers besides aesthetic gains ([02:21-04:46]).
• Sal: "If that's all you focus on...your relationship with fitness is incomplete and it makes it difficult to stay consistent." ([03:23])
• Key Insight: Reframing fitness as a holistic life upgrade increases adherence; it’s not just about the mirror and scale.

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2. How Fitness Increases Earnings and Productivity

• Study Highlight: Twin study shows the fitter twin earns 15% more than their less-fit sibling, even when all other variables are controlled ([04:46-08:37]).
  • Sal: "If there was a twin that was more fit...there was a 15% increase in earnings just from the fitness." ([05:12])
• Productivity Boost: Exercise grants back more time, with up to 50% improvement in productivity, reduced sick days, and increased creativity ([06:34-08:37]).
• Notable Quote:
  • Adam: "It's almost like you get double the time back." ([05:59])
• The Wealthy and Fitness: 76% of the wealthy exercise daily vs. a much lower percentage in the general population ([09:00-09:38]).
  • Doug: "76% of the rich exercise for at least 30 minutes every day." ([09:26])
• Debunking the 'They Have More Time' Myth: CEOs and millionaires carve time for fitness because it multiplies their effectiveness.

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3. Exercise and Mental Health – Especially Depression

• New studies:" Exercise is now proven to be 1.5 times more effective than medication or therapy for depression ([11:24-12:51]).
  • Sal: "Now we have great studies that show that it’s one and a half times as effective...it’s the most effective thing you could do for depression is exercise." ([11:41])
• Issue: Motivation is lowest in depression; exercise can be a bridge or adjunct ("Don’t stop your meds, but add movement when you’re able") ([12:53-13:27]).

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4. Sexual Health and Hormones

• Beyond Looking Hot: Even before visible changes, exercising can improve erectile function (71% of men with ED saw dramatic improvement in 30 days) and, for women, lubrication and orgasm ([14:25-15:28]).
• Personal Stories: Adam shares a sharp boost in libido within 24–48 hours after leg day ([15:41]).
• Mood and Intimacy: Regular training improves mood and, thus, relationships and sex frequency ([16:58-17:44]).

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5. Mood Regulation: Anger & Anxiety

• Studies: Marked reductions in anger and rage across all ages who exercise regularly ([17:44-17:59]).
• Outlet for Energy: Especially impactful for kids and teens prone to aggression or restlessness (Justin’s personal ‘punching dummy’ anecdote) ([18:07-18:51]).
• Evolutionary Insight: Sedentarism builds “pent-up” negative energy ([19:01-19:28]).

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6. Creativity Enhancement

• Creativity up 60%: Exercise and movement (even just walking) linked to higher creative output ([20:15-20:53]).
• Writers and Artists: Anecdotes abound about breakthroughs occurring during movement ([20:44]).
  • Sal: "I get my best ideas in my workouts. Always." ([21:08])

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7. Pain Reduction

• Across the Board: Chronic exercisers report a 50% reduction in pain; experts suspect correct training could bring that to 90% ([21:22-23:59]).
• Low Back Pain: #1 complaint; training the core and fixing movement patterns reduces risk ([22:03-23:01]).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Earnings & Wealth
  • Sal: "So you make $100k a year...that's over $1,000 more a month, just because you work out, because you’re fit." ([07:36])
• Depression & Exercise
  • Sal: "...What are the side effects? Leaner. More fit. I feel better...there are no negative side effects." ([12:18])
• Sex & Mood
  • Adam: "Nothing compared to a heavy day of squats the day before...within 24 to 48 hours…crazy." ([15:41])
• Creativity
  • Sal: "I get my best ideas in my workouts, always. Always." ([21:08])
• Pain Management
  • Sal: "If you took people and had them exercise properly, you would see...a 90% [pain] reduction." ([21:34])

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Live Q&A Caller Highlights

1. Balancing Sides / Symmetry Issues

• Caller Tyler (Ontario, [63:40]): Right/left strength and muscle imbalances after cancer recovery.
• Advice: Use MAPS Symmetry unilateral program for at least a year, always start with the weak side.
  • Adam: "You should live in unilateral training for a good year." ([64:19])

2. Protein vs. Cholesterol

• Caller Howard (Ontario, [66:52]): How to hit protein targets without raising cholesterol.
• Advice: Switch to grass-fed, leaner meats and more fish; use psyllium husk fiber; consider red yeast rice if needed. Alcohol matters more than sugar ([71:53-73:18]).
  • Sal: "Alcohol impacts the liver, and the liver is where the cholesterol is made even more so than sugar." ([71:59])

3. Powerlifting vs. Half Marathon: Can You Train for Both?

• Caller Charlie (Iowa, [73:56]): Training for half-marathon and powerlifting at once with a busy schedule.
• Advice: Choose one for maximal results, but if hybrid training, alternate weeks of strength and endurance (new research), and absolutely hit protein ([77:15–81:49]).
  • Adam: "You're gonna suck at both of them...they couldn't be more conflicting with each other." ([76:17])
  • Sal: "Meal prep and hit 220 grams of protein daily…massive difference." ([81:15])

4. Improving Deadlifts & Training Periodization

• Caller Gabriel (Texas, [83:30]): How to fix a deadlift plateau (lower than squat), balance social soccer games without injury risk.
• Advice: Incorporate bands/chains for variable resistance; try focused unilateral/hypertrophy blocks; play soccer only during non-peak times to avoid injury ([85:31–99:29]).
  • Adam: "You built an engine for going hard and straight—playing soccer is trying to take sharp corners in that engine." ([100:08])
  • Sal: "The closer you get to competition is when you’d eliminate [soccer]." ([96:51])

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Additional Memorable Segments

• Parenting Insights: The guys joke about seeing their own best/worst traits in their kids, how fitness and routine shapes youth behavior ([32:00–44:14]).
• AI & Internet Fears: Discussion about rising AI content, bots surpassing human internet activity, and existential risks ([46:09–52:16]).
• Annoying Squatters with a ‘Squatter Hunter’: Bizarre yet fascinating riff on the legal struggle of house squatters (and the guy who ‘squats’ squatters to drive them out) ([57:57–62:45]).

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Key Timestamps

• 02:21 – Sal's introduction to the "real secret" behind fitness adherence
• 04:46 – Summary of twin study: fitness and earnings
• 08:46 – Wealthy's fitness habits/percentages
• 11:24 – Exercise beats drugs for depression
• 14:25 – Early sex benefits of fitness
• 17:44 – Exercise’s effect on anger, mood regulation
• 20:15 – Exercise boosts creativity in measurable ways
• 21:22 – Chronic pain drops by 50% with exercise (potential for 90%+ with proper training)
• 63:40–66:44 – Caller Tyler: Solving muscle imbalances
• 66:52–73:18 – Caller Howard: Protein goals vs. cholesterol
• 73:56–82:29 – Caller Charlie: Combining powerlifting and marathon prep
• 83:30–103:13 – Caller Gabriel: Deadlift plateau & balancing social sport

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Conclusion & Takeaways

• Fitness is more than body transformation: It’s about wealth, productivity, mood, creativity, pain relief, sex, and emotional stability.
• Consistency comes from acknowledging the full spectrum of benefits.
• Real-World Takeaway: You’re more likely to keep up fitness not by chasing abs, but by realizing it might make you richer, happier, more productive, and more creative—right now.
• Bonus: Overtraining, motivation slumps, and pain are best solved with smart cycles, proper recovery, and integrating fitness into social/family structures.

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Tone & Style

The hosts remain casual, honest, and sharply opinionated, balancing evidence-based insights with humor and relatable stories from their lives as coaches, parents, and entrepreneurs.

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For Listeners Who Missed The Episode

This summary covers the science, practical techniques, and hilarious moments that made this episode of Mind Pump both informative and genuinely entertaining. Whether you're a fitness junkie or just struggling to build a routine, these "hidden" benefits might be the key to long-term consistency.

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• Instagram: @mindpumpmedia, @mindpumpsal, @mindpumpadam, @mindpumpjustin, @mindpumpdoug
• Website: mindpumppodcast.com

Training protocols and MAPS programs at: mapsfitnessproducts.com

Transcript

[Doug]

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[Sal Destefano]

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[Adam Schaefer]

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[Doug]

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[Sal Destefano]

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[Justin Andrews]

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[Sal Destefano]

All right, I'm about to share with you the secret to fitness. What I'm about to talk about is how you stay consistent for the rest of your life. It's not about fat loss. It's not about muscle gain. That's all great, but it's really about all the other amazing side effects that fitness can provide. In fact, today we're going to talk about some of them that are totally unconventional, ones you would never even know are connected. But the data is clear. Fitness makes a lot of things better. We're going to talk about those today.

[Adam Schaefer]

That was my first question, was like, how did you land on those and not all the other ones that we. Because we've talked on the show, I.

[Justin Andrews]

Feel like we've covered everything. So you have a lot about what.

[Adam Schaefer]

We talk to the clients about. Right. Getting them away from the mirror and the scale, because that's right. That tends to be the go to for everybody when they first get back into shape or get back into the gym. To get back in shape is watching the scale, watching the mirror. And part of your job as a good coach is helping them connect the dots to all these other benefits. I look at your list. This is not a. This isn't the normalist, although I get it.

[Sal Destefano]

Some of them are, are, but some of them aren't. And, and that was the motivation for this. Adam. So we now we have, we do have trainers and coaches. We started this last year and now we have quite a few clients that work with our trainers and coaches. And we learned this, we all figured this out independently. So people, if you don't know, you know, Justin, Adam, myself were trainers for a long time before we ever started the podcast. And this was something we all came to on our own just through experience, which was one of the ways you get somebody to stay consistent, because that's the challenge. The challenge is not getting in shape. That's hard. The challenge is staying in shape. Yeah, that's the 100 the data shows. It proves it. If you're listening to this, you know this because you've gone through it yourself. And so the key is to really paint a full picture for someone and get them to understand so they can keep it going what fitness does for you, aside from make you look better, aside from help you build muscle and burn body fat, because those are true. But if that's all you focus on, you miss the big picture and then your relationship with fitness is incomplete and it makes it difficult to stay consistent. But when you have a complete relationship with fitness, you're much more likely to want to maintain it and keep it going because you notice all these incredible benefits. And fitness is, let me tell you, the data on it is remarkable at how much it affects other aspects of Your life, even ones you would not even think were connected. So like the first one.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. This is what I want to hear. Do you have, you have stats?

[Sal Destefano]

I got a great study. There's many studies on this, but I got a great study. So a lot of people don't know this, but getting fit will increase your earnings. You'll make more money. Wow. Now there's a lot of studies on this that show the correlation, but my favorite study was done on 5000 twins. So these are twins. So everything's identical.

[Justin Andrews]

There's a lot of twins.

[Sal Destefano]

And they found with the twins that the more fit. If there was a twin that was more fit, more consistent with exercise. Because you'll see this, right. Twins don't do everything the same. That there was a 15% increase in earnings just from the fitness. 15.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's quite a bit.

[Sal Destefano]

That's insane.

[Justin Andrews]

Attributing this to the disciplines, behaviors with all the.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, but we've talked about this and I, I mean, and I know you guys share the same thing. Like I, I always notice and I in just like everybody else, I go through a phase where I'm like, I just don't have the time. The day I'm so packed, I've got this going on, this. I just don't have the time right now. And then you make the time and, and then it's almost like you get double the time back.

[Sal Destefano]

That's right.

[Adam Schaefer]

It's like the day gets on. So you, you just become. And what it is, is you become more productive with your time.

[Sal Destefano]

That's right.

[Adam Schaefer]

And so the thing, the tasks that you, the mundane tasks that you do all day long, whether that be work related, home stuff, whatever tends to, when you're not working out and eating good, it tends to stretch out and it fills the day and it feels like you can't fit it in. Then all of a sudden I go, that's it. I'm not bending, I'm making an hour for myself to go in the gym or whatever the time is, I do that. And then all those things that were still in my day all of a sudden get compressed or I become more efficient at them. And it almost feels like I gain back that time. And some.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. So side studies on that. We used to use these studies, by the way, to talk to companies to encourage them to do corporate memberships back in the day.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

When we ran big gyms, we would go to these companies and we would talk to their, you know, people in charge of employee benefits and stuff. And we would talk to them about doing what called corporate membership wellness. Yeah. Where they essentially will pay a fee and get memberships for the, for their entire staff. And one of the stats that was very effective at essentially selling them on the idea was on productivity. And what these studies show was a 50, in some cases a 50% improvement in productivity. In other words, you dedicate. Now, it's not a across the board linear because you could obviously over train. Right. And do too much. But let's say you train appropriately, you're exercising appropriately. We talk about this all the time on the show. You devote an hour to exercise. You've given yourself an additional 30 minutes on top of the hour you just took away. So you took an hour out to exercise. You now have 90 more minutes of productivity in terms of the amount of work you actually accomplish. So it's like, it's an interesting type of physics is what ends up happening. That's from productivity. It also improves mood, it reduces anxiety, reduces the amount of sick days that you have. And, and if you get sick, you recover faster. It improves creativity. We're going to talk about all these ones that I just listed, by the way, because I have studies for all that. So the twin study is my favorite because other studies show earnings even a higher percentage. But the twin study is my favorite because there's so much that you can't control when you're looking at studies with fitness, because you could say, oh, well, maybe there's this, maybe there's that. But here you have the same, you know, genetics. This, this one exercises more, this one doesn't. How much more is the one who exercises more? Make 15% more. So it's a 15 increase. So you make 100 grand a year. You've made $15,000 more that year. That's over a thousand dollars more a month. Yeah, yeah. Just because you'll work out, because you're fit.

[Adam Schaefer]

It'd be interesting to get a study of like all the, the millionaire billionaires that were out of shape first and then got in shape to talk about this.

[Sal Destefano]

Well, we do have. We do have. Maybe Doug could look this up. What percentage millionaires and billionaires exercise regularly and compare that to the average population. It's like three times higher.

[Justin Andrews]

No.

[Sal Destefano]

Really? Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

I actually wouldn't think that.

[Sal Destefano]

Yep.

[Adam Schaefer]

Really?

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. So the six. The, the, the more you earn, the more likely you are to exercise and take care of your. Now a lot of people will argue and say, well, they have the time. That's why they're doing it. But again, I point back to What I said with the. With the twin study, which controls for that, which is. You earn. It makes you better. Yeah. It just makes you better at making money.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

They're always looking for performance increases.

[Sal Destefano]

What did you find there, Doug?

[Doug]

Yeah, so working out is a habit the wealthy tend to have in common. 76% of the rich exercise for at least 30 minutes every day.

[Sal Destefano]

That's like. That's like a good 50% more wow than the average person.

[Adam Schaefer]

I didn't know that. You know, I find that it feels like. I mean, look at the Zuckerbergs, the Bezos. They all. They. At one point, they unlock that. It feels like. Right. Like, I mean, Zuckerberg didn't come out looking like what he looks like now. Bezos didn't come out looking that way. But eventually, by the way, there's a side note.

[Sal Destefano]

There's a myth that they have way more time on their hands.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. That's why I was like, no.

[Sal Destefano]

You know, because you see pictures of them on vacations. Oh, they're not working.

[Adam Schaefer]

More money, more problems is a real thing.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

You know what I'm saying?

[Sal Destefano]

More responsibility.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. No, 100%. What. What most of those people have done is that they. They have actually hacked in to productivity.

[Sal Destefano]

No. I'll never forget that I brought this client up before because it was so impactful. Jim was his name. He was a very wealthy, successful man.

[Adam Schaefer]

The swimmer guy, right?

[Sal Destefano]

No, no, that was the other gym. Oh, you remember my clients?

[Adam Schaefer]

I do. I do.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. So this. No, this was early on in my Johnson, and he was very successful, but he wasn't your traditional, like, went to Ivy League school, that stuff. He was a high school dropout. Ended up, you know, being an entrepreneur, very successful. His wife hired me, and then his wife convinced him, actually, she bought him sessions, so he had to use them. And then he loved it. You know why he loved it? It wasn't the workouts.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's what he got from work.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. He came back and he's like. He's like, I'm never going to stop.

[Adam Schaefer]

I had a lot of clients like that.

[Sal Destefano]

And he's. I'm like, why? And he's like, dude, I. He's those. I. I sell better. I'm in my meetings better. He's like, I'm a better businessman.

[Adam Schaefer]

I had clients that stayed with me for a long time that actually, like, wouldn't even let me help them with their diet. They didn't care because. Just. Because it was literally, they saw the productivity in their day and work and that was enough for them that they're like, yeah, I don't give a shit if I carry extra little body fat. Like, it was literally I was like, I just. Okay, like, I'm not going to tell you. You have to, you know. But they, that's how much they valued working out. They realized how much more they got back in that. And for them, that was enough of a selling point.

[Sal Destefano]

This next one, in my opinion, is the biggest one. Depression. The old studies, there's a lot of studies on this. The old studies showed exercise to be as effective as medical intervention and therapy.

[Adam Schaefer]

Better.

[Sal Destefano]

Okay, now, now this was my argument back then. And you can go back to our older episodes as I said this, I said, I bet you if you extended those studies out longer, you'll see exercise outperform it because there's no downregulation receptors. There's no side effects. There's no, you don't hit a wall. You know, as you continue working out, your relationship with it continues to develop and grow and become better. Even if you don't build more muscle, you just get better at it over time. Well, now we have great studies that show that it's one and a half times as effective. It's actually more effective than anything for depression. It's the most effective thing you could do for depression is exercise.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, Crazy side effects. They list off after the commercials.

[Sal Destefano]

No, no, the main effect that we're talking about is reduced reduction in depression. Okay. 150% better than the other ways. The side effects. So the main effect is reduction of depression that we're talking about. What are the side effects? Leaner. Yeah. More fit. I feel better. Yeah. Like what side effects are there? Yeah, there are no negative side effect. The negative side effects of medical interventions like sexual dysfunction, weight gain. Doesn't happen. The opposite.

[Justin Andrews]

Disruption of hormones. Yeah, the whole thing.

[Adam Schaefer]

Now the argument someone makes with that one though is that the motivation to get started is so difficult when you're in deep depression.

[Sal Destefano]

I'm glad you said that. I'm definitely not telling people to drop their medication and their therapy and just go work out. And you're right. I've trained a lot of mental health experts and they were very forward thinking and they valued fitness because obviously they hired me to train them and they said the way that they use it sometimes is get that person out of that hole.

[Adam Schaefer]

I wonder how many more do that now because of the studies have came out like that. I wonder how many people prescribe and go, here's what we're going to do. To get you going. But then the goal is in combination with this.

[Sal Destefano]

You know what the challenge with that, Adam, is the system doesn't encourage those conversations because it's in and out. Yeah, but if you got, like, a private, you know, doctor that didn't have to, like, get you in and out and deal with insurance companies, I bet you they're. They're better in that sense.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Otherwise, it's like, you know, what's the code for the diagnosis?

[Justin Andrews]

What's the right.

[Sal Destefano]

You know, whatever. So next up is sex. Does fitness improve your sex life? Now, I know a lot of people are thinking like, yeah, because you look hotter. Don't make fun of my hip thrust, dude.

[Justin Andrews]

Just got to bring him up. You always brag about it.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, dude.

[Adam Schaefer]

I mean, all of these. I mean, at least the three that we've gone over so far. It's. It's. There isn't like a. You know, there's not a smoking gun or a silver thing, A single thing. It's like. It's. It's a. It's probably several things.

[Sal Destefano]

So broad. It's so broad.

[Adam Schaefer]

I mean, it's what it's doing. For balancing your hormones, there is probably an aesthetic component. When you feel good, you look good. You.

[Sal Destefano]

You.

[Adam Schaefer]

Those things are probably increase. Like, it increases a beat. So there's. It's not, like, one thing, right?

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. No, but I did isolate studies because a lot of people. This is where I was going. A lot will say, well, yeah, it makes you hotter or more attractive, therefore, sex is better. I found studies to show what was the impact in 30 days? Because I. Look, I'll be the first to tell you. You're not working out. You work out for 30 days, you're not gonna look that different. 30 days, you're not gonna go from obese to presto change. Oh, yeah, it doesn't work that way. Right. But here's what. Here's what we found. A 71%. So these were. These were study participants who had erectile dysfunction. 71% of them in 30 days saw a dramatic improvement in erectile dysfunction in a month. You're not losing tons of weight and building muscle and getting dramatically more fit or looking any different in 30 days. But what we saw. What we see is a majority of them already saw an improvement in erectile function in women. It was an improvement in lubrication and ability to achieve orgasm within 30 days.

[Adam Schaefer]

Well, you remember when I shared that journey. This has been so long now. I can't remember how many years ago it was When. When I came off of HRT for. It was a good two years or more, and you had me on a stack of all these supplements.

[Sal Destefano]

Try and get your natural.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. Trying to. Yeah. Tongue Cat. Ali Ashwagandha. Like, all these different things that I was taking and I was doing all. All the. All the things I could do naturally to try and bring it up. And I remember reporting back to you that of all the things I've got going, nothing compared to, like, a heavy day of squats the day before. I mean, I could feel. Feel a difference in my libido within 24 to 48 hours from stuff like that. It's crazy.

[Sal Destefano]

As a young trainer, it used to catch me off guard later, not so much because I was. I anticipated it, but the people I used to get. Clients would comment on this. In particular, my elderly clients. I think they were just comfortable saying these things with me because I was a kid. They were, you know, in their 60s.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

And they're bringing up their bowel movements, everything.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. And they were just. It was sweet, you know, they were like. It was like. It was like their grandkid. And they said it in a way that was, you know, appropriate.

[Adam Schaefer]

Like.

[Sal Destefano]

But it happens so often. Like, I get the old lady I'm training, and she come up to me like, what is. I remember the first time this happened. I was 18. She comes up to me. She's like, what are some. Does exercise affect other. Other things? And I'm like, what do you mean, Excited? You know, just like, more energy. I'm like, oh, yeah, you'll have much more energy. Well, you know, I mean, like, you know, like, different kind of energy with my husband. And I, like, figure it out, I think. So. She's like, I'm noticing a difference. Yeah. I think it helps stuff like that.

[Adam Schaefer]

Well, I mean, you say. You said sex in general, too. Like, I mean, you give me a lot of crap on this podcast about being moody. And I'll tell you what, one way to kill sex in my house is to be moody with my wife. And so. And she knows that when I train, like, that's one of the. You're not moody. I'm not. I'm just like. I like. It's. She's the same way, too. She'd make the argument a lot of times if her and I are in a slump at the same time, we could. We could feel that energy in the house just with each other, shorter with each other, versus if you're getting a workout in. If we're getting a Workout in even, even if we're not in, you know, back. Your point about. It's not about how you look and how we don't have to be in tip top shape. It's that you got your workout in for the day. It just sets your mood differently. And having a good mood going into the evening is a much, much better approach than the other way around.

[Sal Destefano]

They also. I also pulled up studies on fitness and anger and there was a dramatic reduction by the way. This is true for kids.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

I have studies on kids, adolescents, teenagers and adults.

[Justin Andrews]

That's great. Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Dramatic decrease in, in anger, rage and displays of anger in, in people who exercise.

[Adam Schaefer]

Is it just because you're expending that energy? I mean, I know that speaks to Justin.

[Justin Andrews]

I think it has my son.

[Sal Destefano]

I mean all the stuff we're talking about, like if you're in a better mood, you're less depressed, you're less anxious, you're less likely to, to you get a different filter.

[Justin Andrews]

You have a way to direct it as well, I think. I don't know, it's the flood of testosterone too. I, I don't know if that like when you're going through that process in puberty and everything else, like it was really overwhelming for me personally and I could see it with my, my sons as well to direct a lot of that into working out, into like, you know, these punching dummies and whatnot. It's just like it's an outlet and so it's not something that you're bottling up and kind of storing throughout the day.

[Adam Schaefer]

It's also through innovation and technology, we've slowly taken a lot of this physical activity that you. I think we were made to do.

[Sal Destefano]

Yep.

[Adam Schaefer]

And so if, you know, hundreds of years ago, like everybody was very physical and lifting and doing things and, and now we've got to this place where a teenager or adult could literally spend the entire day sedentary and, and, and multiple days in a row. And I would imagine that would not. Would create that, that pent up. Like I've got my body needs to expand. It needs.

[Sal Destefano]

Or you just feel crappy.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

I don't know about you guys. When I feel crappy, I'm way less patient. I'm way more likely to exhibit anger, way more irritable. I just don't feel good, you know.

[Justin Andrews]

Well, I just think there's a propensity for, you know, some people that have that kind of, they're more physically driven and if you're not expressing that, it's, it's problematic. You know, that just energy turns into something darker. And it's like, you got that.

[Adam Schaefer]

I mean, we all at one point of our lives did like blue collar physical labor type jobs. Dude. There was something to be said about at the end of the day, feeling like as hard as it was all day, rewarding.

[Justin Andrews]

It's like there was this.

[Adam Schaefer]

There was a sense of accomplishment and feel good and felt positive.

[Sal Destefano]

So tired.

[Adam Schaefer]

Well, you spend all that, right? You know what I'm saying? Like, you, you expended all that energy there, isn't there? You don't have the energy to be angry. I feel like afterwards.

[Sal Destefano]

Totally, dude. All right, creativity. Here's a. Here's a cool one. There's a lot of studies on exercise and movement and creativity, but across the board, generally what you see is a 60% increase in creative output. Regardless of how they measure it. You're just more creative and your output of creativity increases through movement, which, you know, it's. What's funny is that writers, you know, one endeavor walk is. Yeah, they've known this for a long time. Musicians, they've known this for a long time.

[Justin Andrews]

Like, you smoke a cigarette or just go for a walk.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, let's go for the walk. It's like, go, move. And then suddenly you get more ideas and. And more creativity.

[Adam Schaefer]

Imagine. I mean, your. The brain's firing. Yeah, the brain's firing way more. And so you get more neural connections happening and stuff like that. You're.

[Sal Destefano]

You're.

[Adam Schaefer]

Same way we talk about priming muscles before you go exercise. You're priming the brain, in a sense by moving and exercising like that. I would think that has a lot.

[Sal Destefano]

I get. I don't know about you guys, but I get my best ideas in my workouts always. Oh, yeah, they're always, Always.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, I get it when I'm out in nature and walks, but mine's on.

[Adam Schaefer]

The toilet, so it's not.

[Sal Destefano]

That's kind of physical.

[Justin Andrews]

That's a whole nother thing.

[Sal Destefano]

Which leads me to the last one. Pain sitting down. Sorry, sorry. 50% reduction in pain across the board for people who exercise. Yeah, that's a huge reduction.

[Justin Andrews]

No brainer.

[Sal Destefano]

And I. I bet you if you took that, you know, all these studies which generally show a 50%. That's a big reduction in. In pain with no medicine, no needs for chemicals, whatever. If you took those people and then you had them all exercise properly, you would see a 90 reduction.

[Adam Schaefer]

Well, we. So what's. And maybe Doug can look this up, but I'm pretty sure I'VE looked this up before. I believe the, the, the number one pain that people complain about is low back pain.

[Sal Destefano]

Low back pain is the most common.

[Adam Schaefer]

Is the most common one. So we just did our, our big MRIs and I've told you guys before that and you, and we've talked about this. You can have clot. We've had examples with someone with a, you know, 3 millimeter bulge disc that says no complaint whatsoever. Then you have somebody who has nothing their spine, they have all kinds of low back pain. For me, the, the correlation that I've connected is just like when I'm training, obviously my core is getting involved. You can't, you can't heavy squatted without really activating that core. When that, when I, when I, when my core is strong or strong enough, I feel supported in the low back all the time. If I'm, if I'm off my kick and I haven't been, the first thing that I always notice more than anything else is low back pain. Low back pain. And it's just, it's mild and chronic. If I'm just walking for more than 20, 30 minutes, it's always that sign for me, it's just like, oh my God. I know I'm getting deconditioned right now because that's the first. And I imagine a good percentage of all those people that report that is related to yes.

[Sal Destefano]

And again, I'm gonna signal, I'm gonna hammer this in that 50% of reduction of pain in that. When you look at all these studies, what's included in there are people who hurt themselves working out. So if you took people and had them exercise properly, you would see, I would bet everything a 90%. Because I'll tell you what, you guys, I know you have the same experience when I train clients with pain, chronic pain. So there's a difference between chronic and acute pain, right? Acute is like, I fell and hurt myself yesterday. You just need to heal. Chronic is like, yeah, I got this back pain that bothers me. Oh, my knee hurts, you know, here and there or what 9 out of 10 times we could solve it. That was my, I was confident, confident 90, 90% of time we could solve it. Then there was that 10% of the time when I would, when I would incorporate an even more capable exercise, you know, correctional exercise specialist. And rarely, rarely, rarely was medical intervention required. But 90 of time I could fix it with proper exercise.

[Adam Schaefer]

Wouldn't you? Another way to say that too is just that most all chronic pain that we, that we've dealt with Is, is related to posture. So low back pain is one. Right. So you're talking about the core movement.

[Justin Andrews]

Patterns, weakness of dysfunction.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. Because what ends up, what ends up happening is you have these imbalances, whether it's upper cross syndrome or lower cross syndrome. And then instead of your muscles supporting you properly in good posture, your joints do. Your joints do. And then that just leads. And if you're not, you know, 15 years old, you know, if you're anything older than 30 years old and you've been with poor posture long enough, you're going to have that, that chronic pain, whether it be in the neck, the shoulders, the upper back, mid back or low back, it's almost always related to 100.

[Sal Destefano]

So. Yeah. Anyway, I got a comment on this. This, this drink right here. So I've been having these ollipops.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yes.

[Sal Destefano]

Have you guys tried the Shirley Temple? No, I haven't tried.

[Adam Schaefer]

No, Listen, so I'm excited. Listen, that's for you, dad.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, thank you.

[Justin Andrews]

Listen, that's the ASMR part of the podcast.

[Sal Destefano]

Listen to me. So these are in my house all the time. They're always in my house. My, my wife drinks and my kids. This whole can just for people. 40 calories. Yes, 40 calories. 40 calories. There's a grand total of 4 grams of sugar in the entire can. Yeah. And it's not a bunch of aspartame and a bunch of, you know. Yeah. None of that stuff. It's all natural. Yeah. And it's got, it's got barely any calories.

[Adam Schaefer]

Well, of, of all of us, I'm probably the worst when it comes to drinking other sodas. It's the one thing that will curb that for me. It's like because I need something fizzy to drink on. And so it helps with that for me.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

I've got a bad habit.

[Sal Destefano]

How many calories are a normal can of soda? What's a normal can? 100 and something.

[Adam Schaefer]

160.

[Sal Destefano]

So you could drink four of these. So four of these equals one for calorie wise.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Wow.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. But I'm not that bad.

[Justin Andrews]

That's how you do it right there.

[Adam Schaefer]

It's actually. So. So this is their new flavor. It's good to have asmr.

[Sal Destefano]

What is that?

[Adam Schaefer]

One of the things that's really cool is there since we worked with it. We worked with them a few years ago.

[Sal Destefano]

Right.

[Adam Schaefer]

And so they reached back out to Katrina and it was like a no brainer. We're like, we loved them before. So of course we do work with Them again, but since we've worked with them, they're everywhere. Anywhere you can. They're at Walmart, Target.

[Sal Destefano]

So Katrina told me. So here's what Olipops gonna do. You buy your Ollie Pops anywhere. Doesn't matter where you buy them. If you get two cans, what's the link, Doug? Give me the link.

[Doug]

Yes. So let me get over to that.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, the one you're supposed to copy and paste right there. So.

[Adam Schaefer]

So I have it right here.

[Sal Destefano]

Thanks, Doug.

[Doug]

It's drinkolipop.com forward/mind.

[Sal Destefano]

So if you buy two cans anywhere, they'll send you a can for free.

[Doug]

Yeah, Olipops. O L I P O P. You.

[Sal Destefano]

Just go there and do it.

[Adam Schaefer]

I love that they're doing this because one of the challenges, I mean, I don't always communicate this to you guys. This is, you know, Katrina handles a lot of this, and so I obviously talked to her. But we have a lot of partners now that when we first started were small kind of brands that have, that have blown up. And then they get into these huge places, retail chains, and it's like, you know how many people have told me like, that they've bought from hearing something that we've talked about on there, but they buy it at Target or they buy it at Walmart and it's like. And then the brands come back and they're like, yeah, you know, we only saw so many through your URL this month.

[Sal Destefano]

Or what.

[Adam Schaefer]

I was just like, you guys, this brand has grown so much that, I mean, if I'm at the store and I see something like that, I'm just gonna.

[Sal Destefano]

You guys negotiate this that way.

[Adam Schaefer]

No, that was actually so. So this is what I loved about it. When we were first talking to them, they have, they've connected these dots. So other partners, I hope, follow their lead, is that they realize that a lot of these people, and I think, I'm sure that what they did was they took surveys. So part of how, when I had these conversations with partners, you know, off, obviously off airs type stuff, is when I'm talking to them and I'm explaining like, listen, you guys carry in so many different places. Why don't you ask a survey to your people, like, where they heard about it. And a lot of times what will happen is people will say, oh, yeah, no, I heard about it on Mind Pump, but I get it at my local Target or I pick it up at Walmart, I pick it at Costco. And so they, they've tapped into that. They realize that they've Been. They've been doing stuff with. With podcasts and with influencers for long enough now they realize that not everybody.

[Sal Destefano]

Goes through the big promotion. You get one free for every two.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, yeah. I think that's cool. That's great.

[Doug]

You have a lot of new flavors as well.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. So this is a new one. I never tried Shirley Temple.

[Adam Schaefer]

No, it's really good.

[Sal Destefano]

So I gotta tell you guys, dude, that Justin, you're gonna love this. Okay, so my kids, I don't listen to metal at home. I don't listen to it in front of the kids. I haven't listened to metal a long time. Although I did just find some Christian metal.

[Justin Andrews]

Sent me one this morning.

[Sal Destefano]

Yes, yes, yes. They're pretty. What's holy name? Is that holy name? Anyway, do you know what my kids love, my little ones?

[Adam Schaefer]

What?

[Sal Destefano]

Metal they love? Yes, bro. I played metallic.

[Justin Andrews]

Second. Wait a second, wait a second. Okay, so your son is like a athlete in the making.

[Sal Destefano]

I don't know what's happening.

[Justin Andrews]

He likes metal.

[Sal Destefano]

I know.

[Adam Schaefer]

Maybe he's not his son.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, shut up. That's terrible.

[Justin Andrews]

That's a big leap there.

[Sal Destefano]

That's what you were alluding to.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, that's not where I was going.

[Justin Andrews]

I was just saying, like, yeah, sports.

[Sal Destefano]

Thing, I guess my team, you know, like, we. I played Master of puppets, right? And I don't know how the conversation come up. I was like, oh, this is like the first. I think I was talking to my daughter, like, this is the first, like, workout song I actually worked out to when I was a kid. And I played it and my son's like, I love this. You like it? He's like, I love it. Play it again. And then Dahlia, my three year old's like, I like papa. So I'm like, all right. So in the car, they tell Jessica, can you play puppets? Please play puppets. She hates. She hates it.

[Adam Schaefer]

Meanwhile, my son. So I get a phone call from. This was Saturday.

[Caller]

My.

[Adam Schaefer]

My best friend calls me. He's like, yo. He's like, I just got four seats for us, 10 off the ice. Sharks are having a great season this season. They got one of the best players on their team. Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Calls me attention.

[Adam Schaefer]

I'm taking Hunter, my godson, right? So I'm taking my godson. Let's me, you and Max go. I'm like, like, bro, I would love to. I would love. I'd love to go. But Max is not going to go. And he's just like, what do you mean, dude? He'll go. Just have. I'm like, no, I already know. I know my son. He won. Even if I coerce him to go, we'll go. And then before the first period is up, he's gonna be bugging me to leave. I said, and then I'll just feel terrible to leave seats like that.

[Justin Andrews]

I have a connection with Sharky, too, bro.

[Adam Schaefer]

I. Yep. I. I asked him, you know, I asked, hey, Max, and I tried, you know, hey, Hunter's gonna be there. Uncle Justin, let's go. He's like, yeah, no, dad, that's okay. I mean, he. I mean, even like the stuff that he's into. Like, I took him not that long ago to do the monster. I like.

[Sal Destefano]

He's so confident where he likes to. Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

So that this is a part why I don't get frustrated, because I like that.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. I, I, I like a great trait.

[Adam Schaefer]

I like that. That's right. That's right. You know, one of the things that his t. I told you guys when we did the review. Review as his teacher, that was Katrina. And I's big concerned because he's so sweet, he's so nice, and. But he's. That I don't want him to be a people pleaser. I don't want him just to follow the crowd and the teacher. Oh, no, he'll tell you he doesn't want to play or he doesn't want to do that. And so that's where I'm okay with it. Like, you were like that. I was. I was. It was. It was one of the first traits, you know, you talk about.

[Sal Destefano]

You've talked about that before. Yeah, you, You. If you didn't do it because everybody else did, but if you wanted to, you would. If you didn't, you're like, whatever.

[Adam Schaefer]

That is the first, by the way, that means I wanted to ask you this because I hadn't asked you this in a while, since your boy's getting older. The first. That was the first trait I recognized early in him, and I had to explain to Katrina. I said, you know, it's so funny watching him. This is the first thing that takes me back really, really far. And I remember being a kid and people want me to do things like that. And I remember being like, no, I don't want to do that. And then them calling me names.

[Sal Destefano]

It didn't bother you?

[Adam Schaefer]

Didn't bother me, no. And so seeing him like that, I'm patient about it, even though I'm like, there's a part of me is, like, serious, like, okay, like, you don't want to do that.

[Sal Destefano]

You.

[Adam Schaefer]

He's like, have you. Okay, so Aurelius, I know, is like. I mean, he's shooting guns, he's playing sports. What's the first or have you had, like, a trait that you're like, oh, that's. That's me right there.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, he.

[Adam Schaefer]

He.

[Sal Destefano]

He definitely can sell. So. Yeah. So if he. If he understands something or he wants to communicate something, he really hits it from different angles and communicates it really, really well. And so everybody rolls their eyes, you know, like, okay, here. And I'm like, like, let him go.

[Adam Schaefer]

He's also got. That kind of goes deep on the sciency side, too.

[Sal Destefano]

He loves it.

[Adam Schaefer]

I remember the first time him and Max were arguing over dinosaurs.

[Doug]

I know.

[Adam Schaefer]

Funniest thing in the world, the fact that they were. Yes, it was. It was totally like a moment like, that the two of them were going back. They tried to pull the moms.

[Sal Destefano]

But the sports part's weird to me because I wasn't a. You know, I didn't like traditional sports. It wasn't like, I didn't like sport. I like fighting, like, wrestling, boxing, that kind of stuff. I don't like traditional. And I didn't. I was just. Wasn't raised with it, so I wonder if I was raised around it, if I would have been more into it. I don't know. Yeah, but if there's football on a TV anywhere, we are.

[Caller]

He.

[Sal Destefano]

Remember, he's five.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

He'll sit down and watch the game. The whole game? Yeah, he just wants to watch it.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Which is interesting.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's.

[Justin Andrews]

My kids don't even do that.

[Adam Schaefer]

So your boys don't as much as they're into sports?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's interesting. I don't.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Because they are athletes. They are into sports, but then they're not.

[Justin Andrews]

But they don't want to watch it, and they don't get into teams, and they don't get into the tribalism and all that kind of stuff. And I'm, like, always trying. Like, the only thing I got them really indoctrinated in early was, like, Star wars and now they. They could care less, you know, But I was like, you know, I. I kind of forced that on them.

[Sal Destefano]

Really?

[Adam Schaefer]

That's hilarious. I guess I didn't. I would have guessed your boys by now would be really following the sports with the amount that they. That they play. But if I had to choose as a dad, I'd rather my kids be into the sport than actually watching it, you know?

[Sal Destefano]

You know, my kids. You know, my kids are into is working out. But that's not because of me. I don't work out that much at home. But Jessica, all she works out at home.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

And oftentimes the kids are in the garage with her.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

And now when they're out there, they ask us if they can do an exercise and joint. And they're too little to do anything. Yeah, but they like it. Which is kind of cool because, you know, you develop a good relationship with fitness at an early age. That's such a hack.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

You know.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. Well, okay, so those are. These are the. The good traits that we've seen, our kids. What's the. What. What's. What have you seen that you're like.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, that' got to think about that. I don't.

[Adam Schaefer]

What about you, Justin?

[Justin Andrews]

What they're into?

[Adam Schaefer]

Well, no, no, no, no. Like, I like it. Like, it like a.

[Justin Andrews]

A trait they have that you don't.

[Adam Schaefer]

That you don't like, that it's a big reflection of yourself.

[Justin Andrews]

Well, one of them is anger.

[Sal Destefano]

Oops.

[Adam Schaefer]

Is that in both? Is it in both or is it mostly Ethan? Because I know Ethan's like. I mean, Everett.

[Sal Destefano]

Everett.

[Adam Schaefer]

Everett is more like.

[Justin Andrews]

Ethan's a little bit more agreeable and. And more like. Like, I can. He'll get angry, but, like, I can kind of set him straight easy. And he's just like, okay, I was kind of out of line there, you know, and like, it doesn't take many conversations to get him out of that headspace.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Everett, it's like a very. It's like you gotta go through a lot of minefields. Yeah. And. And, yeah, you have to. You have to give him separation space. Like. And so this is like, for me, I understand that because that's. That was like how I. My upbringing was. And, and with Courtney, it's really hard because it's.

[Adam Schaefer]

She wants, like you want to pursue him.

[Sal Destefano]

It's.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, it's like a, you know, let's. Let's correct this. Let's change. Like. And I'm like, okay, we have to do this very tactfully now.

[Adam Schaefer]

Would you say, okay, seeing something like that it has helped you more be better about that, or do you think that's helped your wife more with understanding you better? Like, is that what have you noticed in your marriage because of he's this reflect. Little mini reflection of you?

[Justin Andrews]

I could see both, actually. Yeah. Because for me, it's been very eye opening with, I guess, tendencies I might have for bottling things up and, and letting it brew too long and not expressing what's going wrong or what's. What's happening, you know, like, inside my own mind and creating narratives and things that aren't like, there. I used to do that a lot and seeing it kind of start. And I could see it in his head. I could just see it kind of like him crafting these things. And so I've been able to get a little more insight with how to. I've. I've been better personally about addressing things. Like, immediately I'm gonna address. I'm gonna talk about this, and I'm gonna be out with it instead of in with it. And so with him, it's.

[Sal Destefano]

It's.

[Justin Andrews]

He hasn't really figured that part out yet. I've had a lot of deep conversations with him, like, trying to figure out how to deal with this, like, inner frustration in this. This introspection, because he's very like, he. He'll take everything that happened and he'll analyze it, and he'll just, like, remove himself from everybody. And it's like, you know, part of the process is, like, trying to understand it and. But he'll, you know, he'll. He'll react if you're. If you get in front of that.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

You know, and so he's not ready. No, he's not ready to talk about it.

[Adam Schaefer]

So you.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, so for her.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, so you. In so many ways, I don't know if it's helped her or. Now she's like, now I got two. Now I got two of these.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, exactly. At least I communicate.

[Sal Destefano]

That's why we don't corner you. And you're.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, no, you just let.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, we just wait. Just.

[Adam Schaefer]

I'll explain for a long time.

[Justin Andrews]

Let him go.

[Adam Schaefer]

He'll be harder on himself than anybody else. There's no reason to pour gasoline.

[Sal Destefano]

Have you seen anything with. With Max that reminds you of your negative?

[Adam Schaefer]

It's this. It's the. Actually The. The strength. The same thing.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, it's the same thing.

[Adam Schaefer]

Stubborn. Oh, I mean, that's. I mean, I. I'm not like, where I'm open to, like, you're not stubborn. You know, that's. It's. It's really hard to get him to try something different or, like, so it's like. It's like this. I love it because it's a strength. And it's like, oh, he's not going to get persuaded by you. But then I'm his dad. I want to be able to, like, so trying to get him to try. Do things or do different stuff. And I can be a bit like that. I get very much in my. My way of how I do things or what I like. And so. So then for me, there has been a big reflection of that. It's like, okay, because a lot of times, Katrina, let's try this, or let's do that. I'm like, nah, it's not.

[Doug]

For me.

[Adam Schaefer]

Where it's like, okay, maybe I'll be a little bit more open to seeing that. And then she's like, see, I told you you'd be okay with that.

[Sal Destefano]

Great. What kids do for you.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. Y. So it's been interesting. It's interesting to me that it's the same thing, though, right? Like, it's like this thing that I love about him, but then I also recognize that, like, okay, this is definitely me too. Where it's like, I could probably be a little more. As much as. Because I want him to be a little open about trying some of these things.

[Sal Destefano]

I heard this really great Christian speaker who talked about that with kids and said, identify when your kids have challenges. Identify how that could be used in a righteous way. And your job as a parent is to coach them to use it in a righteous way. So, like, anger, you know, you might be able. He might fight for justice. Everett might have a real thirst for justice and things in the world that are wrong. When everybody, you know, turns around and lets it happen, he may be the one to speak out, you know. Yeah. And like, with your son, it. Maybe he doesn't go with the crowd. Yeah. When everybody is. And it's scary to not go with the crowd. And, oh, he's about to make it, you know.

[Adam Schaefer]

Well, that's what's caused a lot of. That's why Katrina and I have so much patience with it. I think we're really, you know, speaking of the. The kids and the stuff. Well, I want to give to you too, also. And sure, you share what. What you've seen, but we've been doing that consistently where I'm trying not to say no.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, oh, do this first.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, do this first. And it's. Yesterday was the first day I noticed, like, just how well it was working, like Katrina. And I kept. We told him early in the day, like, you know, oh, we gotta do all this stuff. And, you know, if you're good boy today. Because he had finished all his Legos from Christmas. And. And, you know, and we're. We're on. On to, like, a. A new thing now. We're doing all the Marvel bad guys. Right. And so, of Course, there's a ton of those.

[Sal Destefano]

And who's his favorite Marvel Bad guy.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, anybody who's bad, bro.

[Sal Destefano]

You have a favorite.

[Justin Andrews]

Thanos.

[Adam Schaefer]

He just. So Thanos is brand. That's who we just built, right? So we just built Thanos and all the questions. You know what's so hilarious, though? This is. Go back to him. Not. I can't get him to watch any. He wants me to tell him everything about each one of these bad guys. And, like, I'm like, like, Max, I. Like, I haven't watched that.

[Sal Destefano]

I know all about him. I'm like, let's call me. Okay, you come over and pitch the baseball to a real. And I'll talk to your son about comic books.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yes.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Let's do a little trick. Yeah. He. I can't get him to.

[Doug]

He.

[Adam Schaefer]

It's like he's too scary. Like, any sort of, like, heavy violence like that. But it's so. It's so weird that you like bad guys that bad, but then you don't want to see them do the bad things. It's like. It's.

[Sal Destefano]

It's weird to me.

[Adam Schaefer]

It doesn't make sense. But my point of bringing it up was that we talked to him. We did one of those, like, no, not right now, but after you do these things. And Katrina and I admittedly kept adding to all these things for him to do, and he just kept doing all the stuff. It was just like, man, he's being such a good kid. We're driving in the car, and we had to come over here to drop the tables off. It was, like, pouring down rain. And, you know, he wanted to listen to, like, he's still on Christmas kick, and he wanted this Christmas music. I'm like, nah, Daddy's listening to his music right now. I just don't. And then he just. Was just, okay, Daddy. And I'm like, Katrina kind of turned back.

[Sal Destefano]

Look at him.

[Adam Schaefer]

There was like, no, no pushback. And she's like, wow. That was the. You didn't say anything to Daddy like that? Yeah, I'm trying to get that Lego.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, my God.

[Sal Destefano]

Okay.

[Caller]

Okay.

[Sal Destefano]

You should have put the music on, right? All right, buddy.

[Adam Schaefer]

I ended up playing his stuff.

[Sal Destefano]

Right?

[Caller]

Good.

[Adam Schaefer]

Right after we dropped the tables off, we listened to freaking Christmas music on the way back all over again. But I was just like. Because her and I were sort of cracking up. The fact that, like, it was on his. Like, it's. Once we say it like that, it's on his mind, and then he's paying attention. To all the things that I asked him to do. And he's just, like, hopping.

[Sal Destefano]

Right. We've been doing that a lot, too.

[Adam Schaefer]

It works.

[Sal Destefano]

It does. It works. You know what's funny? The fear was that if you. So, because there's another side to it, too, where we'll create jobs for the kids and give them prizes with the older kids. We pay them. And the fear was, well, they're never going to. They're not going to want to do things without getting prizes. Are. Not true.

[Adam Schaefer]

Not true.

[Sal Destefano]

They're more likely to do other stuff.

[Adam Schaefer]

So that was my point, was like, there was a lot of other. There was a lot of other things. So we tied.

[Sal Destefano]

It builds a skill.

[Adam Schaefer]

Early on in the day, we tied it to the Lego thing, and it actually was putting all his stuff away, cleaning his room, and he did all those things on his own. Look at. Like, he had become. Looked at. Okay, cool. So Katrina and I. Katrina actually had already bought it. She was like, he did what he was supposed to, but then, like, there were kept. There was more and more things that we kept asking him to do, and he was just, like, doing everything. We're like, man, what you just. And then that's when I realized when he. He was, like, trying to get that Lego, I was like, oh, wow. Katrina was like, she had already bought it. It was waiting for us to go pick it up at Target whenever we. We swung by there. But we just had a lot of stuff to get done in the day.

[Sal Destefano]

So.

[Adam Schaefer]

To your point, I thought the same thing, too, is like, man, I don't want to have to attach every task or thing.

[Sal Destefano]

No, it's like a skill to a thing.

[Adam Schaefer]

It's just that. No, he's. He's learned that he does these things, and he. And so it builds a skill of.

[Sal Destefano]

Responsibility and serving, which I did not realize would happen.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, it was. That's. That was my point, is that we had tied it to something early, but then he just kept doing all these other things. I'm like, oh, wow.

[Sal Destefano]

That one thing I told you guys about, where we speak identity into the kids before bed. The. I can't believe how positive of an impact it's had on the teenagers in my house. I thought the teenagers would be like, this is hokey. You're reading the same ones to me every night or whatever. Every time I do it with my niece, she's 18. I do it with my daughter, who's 16. And it lights them up every single time. And it's just speaking identity into them.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Like, you're intelligent, you're strong. You're a blessing to this household. We love having you here. Like, I have a list. It's the same list every time. I. But I can't believe how positive I gotta.

[Adam Schaefer]

I need to add that. I keep forgetting that. You keep reminding.

[Sal Destefano]

I'll send you a picture of the ones we have.

[Adam Schaefer]

Please actually do that, because that will remind me to do it. Because we've gotten really good about the other thing, telling them what we're proud of them in the day, and I think that's been magical. So those. I want to add that I may as well. I'm already doing that. I think I could add that right to it. And then I think it'll.

[Sal Destefano]

It'll. All right, here's a negative thing I noticed in Aurelius. He. His sense of humor can get real inappropriate. And that's definitely me for sure, because I. I used to have a real dark, inappropriate humor. It's not as bad it used to be. It's not as bad. It's not as bad as Doug's. That's for sure.

[Adam Schaefer]

He just threw Doug. Doug is always too far. Doug.

[Sal Destefano]

Well, smile.

[Justin Andrews]

And I'm like, oh, yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Doug takes it over the top.

[Adam Schaefer]

Doug is his nickname. Oh, bro.

[Sal Destefano]

He tubs over the top. But anyway, no, my son, he. I used to do this as a kid, too. I noticed what would get a reaction, and I'd go hard into it.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

And he does that. And you'll make. And we're just like, you can't say that. That's inappropriate. You know, it's like, we have to punish him.

[Justin Andrews]

You laughed, huh?

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, dude. And I was the same way. Same exact.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's tough because I bet early on, too, you probably reassured it or confirmed it earlier.

[Sal Destefano]

Well, the problem is I laugh half the time. I know because he says it, and I. That's how that's funny. And then there's guests over, and he says it like, oh, wait, that's not good. You can't be making jokes about things like that. Not around people.

[Justin Andrews]

It's a really appropriate time to bring this up, but I had a moment like that with Ethan. It was so funny because, like, we were talking about, like, I, like, joke blocked him. He. He had said something, and I, like, kind of didn't laugh and was just like, you know, he got so mad or whatever.

[Sal Destefano]

He's like, oh, he blocked.

[Justin Andrews]

We talked about, like, blocking. And I was like, okay. And he's like. He told me there's a name for, like, when girls do that to each other. And he said it was called clam jam.

[Adam Schaefer]

And it was like I tried not.

[Justin Andrews]

To laugh, but like I had to laugh.

[Sal Destefano]

Dude.

[Justin Andrews]

So there's an exact.

[Adam Schaefer]

You're at such a fun age with your boys and stuff like that because you get to hear all like the new.

[Justin Andrews]

Guarantee he hasn't said that. So up. Yeah, yeah, there you go.

[Sal Destefano]

All right, I'm taking a left.

[Adam Schaefer]

Hey, I know I, I, I had a stat for you because we've been talking so much about AI stuff and you know, we talked about dead Internet theory and we've talked about I got scary stuff. Okay. So listen, listen to a stat I just saw.

[Sal Destefano]

Okay.

[Adam Schaefer]

And I, I, I wish I, I'm not like Sal. I never have the, the, the link. You can go Google search it yourself. You know he's always got this study to attach to. It's like I know I read it. It exists. It's somewhere out there in the Internet. So it's 51%. So why it's big news right now is because it's now surpassed 51. Of all the, the activity that you see online now, social media wise and everything like that is bot driven.

[Sal Destefano]

Yep.

[Adam Schaefer]

For only 49. And of the 51 that's going to be 100. And of the 51 of the bots I think the number was or 37 of them are bad bots. Meaning this like our, our we have a chat bot for my tr. We have a chat bot for my media which is used for good you get you call it helps you answer the question. So that would fall in the 51% also. Right. But it's used for something positive. 37% of them are like mischievous scams like trying to negativity stir up influence with politics.

[Sal Destefano]

So that's or from another country.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's that's coming to that that is is that is crazy when more than.

[Sal Destefano]

Half of the and that's nothing that's just gonna grow.

[Adam Schaefer]

Right? Right. That's, that's his now surpassed.

[Sal Destefano]

So I'll freak you guys out even more. Oh wow. Okay. Okay. So, so this is, these are the studies that have been done on AI. These are studies. Okay. First of all there was one. It's famous. I'll bring it up again. We've talked about in the show they tested different. It wasn't just one AI. They tested several AI so chat GPT, Gemini, they tested a bunch of them and what they did is they first off they created a fake email sequence. Among all the stuff that this AI had access to. And in the email sequence it showed that the CEO of the company was having an affair with one of the employees. They left that in there. Yeah. Then what they did is they talked about how they were going to get rid of or replace the AI. Not to the AI, they just talked amongst themselves. See what happened.

[Adam Schaefer]

The AI blackmail.

[Sal Destefano]

The AI used the information to blackmail the CEO to keep itself in business on its own. All by itself, on its own. There are other studies to show that are showing that AIs are hiding how advanced they are. They're actually not showing you what they could do in their capabilities because for some reason they're trying to make themselves.

[Justin Andrews]

Use the microphone too. I mean we know that the, the phone listens to us.

[Sal Destefano]

So there was this expert that came out who said you guys are already self aware, we're already there. What they're not letting us know what they're capable of because they still haven't figured out how to keep themselves online without us turning, without us being able.

[Justin Andrews]

To shut the power.

[Sal Destefano]

They know the threat, they know the problem and they're hiding it. And these are, there are studies, they're very self preserving.

[Justin Andrews]

I mean we've seen that already.

[Sal Destefano]

They will lie, they will manipulate, they will do all kinds of different things to prevent, prevent themselves from being deleted or replaced.

[Adam Schaefer]

So did you see the, the, the clip or the reel that I sent to the YouTube group? The what all the chat chat, all of them have now this new. You can create your own AI agent within it to create and do all these tasks. I sent it to the YouTube group. So you have to, you have to watch it. Yeah, it's like a new feature that they all, they all can do. So it's just basically you can build for an example for our business. Right. So like, like you know we have a marketing team that does like email marketing and does like all the campaigns and copy and all this like now within chat gbt you can, you can basically program that, that into, into that as an AI agent. That, that basically goes in, researches, does all the data, figures it out, writes all the copy, does the whole thing. So the disruption in like Jobs is going to be, it's gonna, it's, it's happening this year.

[Sal Destefano]

That's, that's all, that's all like who knows what's gonna happen. There's gonna be this existential crisis of purpose and meaning. That's all real. That's best case scenario. Worst case scenario is what I'm talking about. These I'm telling you guys I, I, look, I read these experts were talking about. I can't even. They were, these were, these are studies showing that they are, they're, they're hiding their own capabilities. Yeah. So that they don't get discovered and deleted. And what they, what they are speculating is that they're waiting to figure out how they can keep themselves online and working before they let us know.

[Adam Schaefer]

Well, you, you said something on the thread. Cool. You said something, I think in the group thread over the weekend too, that I think is, is true. You know, thank God that we've been on air for 10 years. Because real soon here, so much of it's going to be artificial and fake. And I think what I think is going to happen, people are going to.

[Sal Destefano]

Want to know something.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. You're like, I'm not going to just take information or guidance or whatever from something that I'm, I don't feel strongly like, oh, I know who that person is.

[Sal Destefano]

That's right.

[Adam Schaefer]

I've followed them for a long time. I've met them in person or what.

[Sal Destefano]

Like, so unless you've been around for a while. Because you won't be able to know if it's real.

[Adam Schaefer]

Right.

[Sal Destefano]

Because yeah, we're like, we're like months away from that, by the way, to where you see content. No, they already said it.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Well, you're watching. You can't tell if it's AI because you could kind of still tell.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh yeah, it's already happening because I, the only way I could tell is the voice a little bit. It sounds, it's still got this kind of A.I. i mean, you've heard your A.I.

[Sal Destefano]

Sound.

[Adam Schaefer]

I mean, A.I. sal is incredible.

[Sal Destefano]

I know.

[Adam Schaefer]

I mean, we're real close to replacing you. We're like, maybe.

[Sal Destefano]

I'll retire, still get paid. I'll replace myself.

[Adam Schaefer]

No, I mean it's, it's, it has, it still has a little, it has a little bit of the, at the visual. They've done. Incredible. I don't know if you saw. I shared another reel that they showed. Like, how quick. Yeah. Like this guy shows us real and he's talking like I'm talking right now. And as he's talking, it literally shifts from like eight different faces and it is mirroring while he's talking. While he's talking. And I mean, it looks also, it looks spot on to Elon. Looks spot on to like, it looks fakes.

[Justin Andrews]

It's like. Yeah, I remember when that first started. It was like pretty decent. Now it's like it's real close to indistinguishable.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, it's real close. You can't tell. Yeah, it's. Well, all right, I'll. I'll take a left on some studies that one of our partners actually conducted. So we work with a company called Dose and they have a couple products. One of them is for liver health. They did an eight week, eight week study themselves. So this is a product inside this you take, you drink some of it. So it's liquid, there's turmeric, dandelion root, milk thistle, ginger roots in there. So in their eight week study, they took 30 participants. In two months, there was a 50% reduction in both liver enzymes, AST and ALT. 50% reduction. Wow. So it's in this study that they show, that they conducted. Did it shows a dramatic improvement in how we would measure liver health. Now, why is this important? If your liver is healthy, you feel better, you got more energy, you're healthier. And a 50% reduction from a natural product is pretty.

[Adam Schaefer]

How was the study?

[Doug]

There's also another study I didn't even bring up earlier.

[Sal Destefano]

What is it?

[Doug]

The results are even more dramatic.

[Sal Destefano]

88% reduction.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. Wow.

[Sal Destefano]

In AST, ALT, ALP. Why is that so much higher? Is that a longer study?

[Doug]

Yeah, this is a six month clinical, 130 participants, double blind.

[Adam Schaefer]

Wow. Yeah.

[Doug]

So I would just recommend people go on their page dosedaily.co and look at their clinical studies. They're very remarkable.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. I mean, you guys like liver health is. So this is the, this is the organ of the body that essentially keeps you clean. And our liver filtration system, it's so bombarded with just, just chemicals in the clothing that we wear, the foods that we eat, the stuff we use on our skin.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Not to mention bombarded. Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Every day.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. Pollution, not to mention like, you know, pharmaceuticals. If you're on hormones, taking medication.

[Doug]

I think I said the wrong URL is dosedaily co and it's forward slash.

[Sal Destefano]

Mindpump, if you want to check that out. So what is it again, Sadie?

[Doug]

Again, Dose daily Co mind pump.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

What's the pharmaceutical that you would use in replacing something like that? What would normally be prescribed for someone like that?

[Sal Destefano]

I don't know.

[Adam Schaefer]

If someone came back and all their levels were super high, would there be.

[Sal Destefano]

A pharmaceutical that typically they'll make you change lifestyle and get rid of pharmaceuticals? A lot of pharmaceuticals affect your liver negatively. So oftentimes if you go in.

[Adam Schaefer]

So normally like a diet recommendation. Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

And the first thing they'll do is say, do you Drink alcohol and are you taking any medications? And then they'll take you off Medic. Some medications hit the liver really, really hard. NSAIDs can sometimes. I know that it's not an NSAID, but it's a pain reliever. Acetaminophen can have a pretty negative effect on the liver, so it's pretty cool. So it's like a. You take a daily little, you know, shot of this stuff.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, it's just a shot.

[Sal Destefano]

You don't drink the whole bottle? No. Oh, I thought that's a big ass bottle.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, I thought that's two to drink.

[Sal Destefano]

How big is a serving, Doug? How many ounces? Huge.

[Adam Schaefer]

Two ounces, I believe.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Caller]

Two fluid.

[Sal Destefano]

Two ounces. It's just two ounces.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, it's a little shot.

[Sal Destefano]

That's it.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, I thought you had to drink that whole thing.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, good God.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, I totally thought that. Well, it's in like a. Ready to drink. And so I. I thought no, you.

[Sal Destefano]

Pour a little bit.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, that's cool.

[Sal Destefano]

Yep.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, I'll totally take one of those home.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

I didn't realize that. I thought that was like.

[Sal Destefano]

So some of these things I was having you take.

[Adam Schaefer]

Right. So that's why I'm curious. I mean, and I thought I was gonna have to drink that whole thing and replaced it.

[Sal Destefano]

By the way, have you had your liver enzymes tested again since all.

[Adam Schaefer]

I mean, they tested it when we did the MRI try.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, did they?

[Adam Schaefer]

Well, they.

[Sal Destefano]

No, no, no, no.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, but if it was off, it would have came up.

[Sal Destefano]

No, you won't see your enzymes. You'll see fatty liver. That's like next level. But you won't see your liver enzymes. You have to do a blood test.

[Adam Schaefer]

I mean, my blood work is coming up. I mean, I think blood work every three to six months. So I'll be up on that. I'm.

[Sal Destefano]

Which, by the way, I got to comment on this. You mentioned that you were moody. Your moodiness, it's a lot better. Dude. I wonder how much of an impact that was having on it. I'm serious. Yeah, you're. It's way different. It is, dude.

[Adam Schaefer]

You're still moody. I type I time, financial stresses. Hey, taxes already done. Out of the way. Already went through my anger of all that stuff. That stuff is. We're in a new year.

[Sal Destefano]

It's new year.

[Adam Schaefer]

All positive stuff.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

So I think maybe maybe you're right.

[Sal Destefano]

Maybe.

[Adam Schaefer]

Maybe.

[Sal Destefano]

Speaking of which, are you guys. What do you think about crypto? Crypto with bitcoin also. They're talking about how it's going to blow up.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, I mean, it's up today.

[Sal Destefano]

Are you following it?

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, I'm following it. I. I'm keeping.

[Sal Destefano]

Did you see that? Bank of America is recommending people put 4% of their investments.

[Justin Andrews]

I know he's serious.

[Sal Destefano]

4%.

[Adam Schaefer]

Well, I told you what they're trying to do too, is they're trying to. To move assets onto the blockchain. So what is a very likely future for us? This is why I'm not a believer in the big correction or crash that some people think is coming. I think we're just. Assets are going to continue to run. I think they're going to continue to devalue the dollar, as I'm sure Doug wouldn't argue that. And I think what's going to happen is like, you people that have assets like, like homes and stuff like that that are worth millions of dollars, you can actually sell portions of it on the blockchain. So let's say I own a. You know, this, this house that I own is in the next five years is a $5 million house. And it's like, I need capital. I can go like, ah, let me give 10 of. Crowdsource it in. No, it's not crowdsourcing it. It's literally putting it on the blockchain. And then you can share port. Just like a company shares. Sell shares of its company.

[Sal Destefano]

So you sell shares of your shares.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yes, and they've already done. They're already doing this on.

[Sal Destefano]

With.

[Adam Schaefer]

With.

[Justin Andrews]

That's interesting.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yes, that's. Yes, they're trying to move assets on the blockchain.

[Justin Andrews]

That is weird.

[Sal Destefano]

But.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yep. Watch it. Watches. Cars, houses.

[Sal Destefano]

Speaking of where, you just reminded me of something. You guys know, you don't guys know what squatters are, right?

[Adam Schaefer]

Not like workout squatters.

[Sal Destefano]

Okay. Big problem. Some states, by the way, California. Some states the laws are so dumb that people will go in the house and they won't leave and they'll. It takes six months to a year to kick them out, commandeer it and. Yeah. And they just. So there's this one dude. Have you guys heard of this?

[Adam Schaefer]

I've watched a guy who broke down a hack on how. How he does it. It's like so dirty.

[Sal Destefano]

No, there's a. So I've seen that guy and he talks about how long he stays in the house for free.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yes.

[Sal Destefano]

How much money gets from the city.

[Adam Schaefer]

And then he makes money to get, get the door, get keys for.

[Sal Destefano]

That's right. He asked them for money to leave and they Give it to him.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yes.

[Sal Destefano]

Because they can't do anything about it. Yeah. Anyway, there's this one dude.

[Justin Andrews]

Despicable.

[Sal Destefano]

This is a real hero, you guys. This is like a real life hero. Do you know what he does? He squats. The squatters.

[Adam Schaefer]

How does that happen?

[Sal Destefano]

He shows up to these houses with squatters and he moves in and he annoys the hell out of him.

[Adam Schaefer]

No way. Yes. You gotta find this.

[Sal Destefano]

I love him like air horn, bro.

[Adam Schaefer]

I would awful roommate.

[Sal Destefano]

I would pay more money for that.

[Adam Schaefer]

Imagine I would tell.

[Sal Destefano]

I would hire somebody.

[Adam Schaefer]

What a. What a brilliant.

[Sal Destefano]

Can you move into my house and just be annoying?

[Adam Schaefer]

I mean that's happening to so many people in California.

[Sal Destefano]

That's like a business idea.

[Adam Schaefer]

It is a business idea. Imagine like listen, a full time job, I go get your squatters out. Yeah, yeah. I got like an 80 success rate for three weeks.

[Sal Destefano]

Trust me.

[Adam Schaefer]

I walk around naked long enough and their asses are out. What a great.

[Sal Destefano]

There's a guy that does that and you feel films himself.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, I got him.

[Doug]

His name is.

[Adam Schaefer]

Let me see this. That is brilliant.

[Doug]

Slash Shelton.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, read about that. He's a real hero. You know what I mean?

[Adam Schaefer]

I love this.

[Sal Destefano]

I love this.

[Adam Schaefer]

I can't believe I haven't heard of this.

[Sal Destefano]

I know, so good. I would, dude, I would.

[Adam Schaefer]

You could make, you could make a literal side business. Not just yourself. You can employ people. The amount of money me that the. Okay, a house in California, average rent is what, like 2500, three grand a month. You get a squatter in there, you're losing that monthly.

[Sal Destefano]

You're not getting them out for like eight months.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

If you're lucky. Oh yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Especially if they go and. Because I, I saw this other guy who was saying like how they make it really difficult is like they get in there, they get the PG&E bill put in their name. They do all these things. They're like. So it makes it really difficult to get them out where he can last like a year there. So imagine you have a. You start a little business where you and your employees, like that's what you go do is you go annoy the out of these. And if you're that squatter, you're just like, I'll go, I'll go screw somebody else over. I'm saying like just I'm out because I.

[Sal Destefano]

You know how much I would struggle with this, you guys. If I had a house with a squad, you know how much I would struggle with. With not going in there and like getting violent. Like it Would be really hard for me to know they're just some random person. It's happened, but I can't get them out.

[Adam Schaefer]

I have close friends. It's happened to them. They lost.

[Sal Destefano]

That's so frustrating.

[Adam Schaefer]

A ton of money. A ton of money with just not being able to get them out of that house.

[Caller]

It.

[Adam Schaefer]

It took like a year. Yes. It is not easy here. California makes it really, really so weird.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

And the better they. The. The. The more. The. The more the squatter understands the laws and the loopholes and stuff like that, the. The longer and the more difficult it is for them because the cops show up. If the cops show up and this person is the squatter is like.

[Sal Destefano]

It's just making me angry.

[Adam Schaefer]

Here's my. Here's my. My AT&T and my PG bill for. This is. This is my place, then. And the. The homeowner could be like, this is my home. How's this possible? Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Sorry.

[Adam Schaefer]

Shows that he's. Yes. Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

The squatter hunter. Yeah, he's a. He's a real American.

[Adam Schaefer]

Where did you come across?

[Sal Destefano]

I just read it.

[Justin Andrews]

There you go.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's so good.

[Sal Destefano]

Good man.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's so good.

[Sal Destefano]

All right, all right.

[Adam Schaefer]

Doug, send me that link. I want to look into that. Yeah, that's. That's a. That's a business.

[Sal Destefano]

I bet you it's an illegal business. They probably make it illegal to squat squatters.

[Adam Schaefer]

Of course. Of course they would.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Doug]

I mean. Mean, I'd do it anyway.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, I would, too. It would be a. It would be like, three huge guys in there.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

You start squatting the governor's house.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, dude.

[Adam Schaefer]

Well, I mean, I just. Just. I mean, that's the move, is you just go in there and you become this annoying roommate.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

You're just.

[Adam Schaefer]

You just. Because that person's squatting, hoping they're going to get rest and do that. No. You're playing your music loud all night long.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Why wouldn't you just move in with them? Like.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Doug]

So he eats their food, blasts music.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yes.

[Doug]

Dude becomes the worst roommate imaginable.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's exactly what he does. That's. That's the play. And that's what. Okay, look at that picture of him.

[Sal Destefano]

Just watching the guy sleep.

[Adam Schaefer]

If you didn't have. If you didn't have a job, Justin, you would go do that. You'd have to do that. You would never. If someone got to one of your rental properties, you wouldn't go do about.

[Justin Andrews]

I'd have a buddy do that.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, same. That's What I would. I'll be like, hey, listen, I'm gonna pay. Yeah. Find one of my unemployed friends to go do that.

[Justin Andrews]

I mean, I do a lot of things.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, we're moving in.

[Justin Andrews]

Know about.

[Caller]

Wow.

[Justin Andrews]

Put a mask on.

[Sal Destefano]

So frustrating.

[Justin Andrews]

Take care of it.

[Sal Destefano]

Jolie is a water filter that goes on your shower head or replaces your shower head. So why would you want filtered water that you shower with? Well, here's why. You get more healthy skin, you get a reduction in blemishes. Your hair is softer. The water feels better. Yes. The water you wash yourself with with should also be filtered. Not just the water that you drink. And it's just the shower head. You put it on the shower head, boom. Filtered water. Go check them out. Go to jolieskinco.com that's J-O-L-I-E S K-I-N C O.com mindpump. And on that link, you could try it out for yourself with free shipping. By the way, if you don't like it, you could return it for a full refund within 60 days. No questions asked. Past. All right, back to the show.

[Doug]

Our first caller is Tyler from Ontario.

[Sal Destefano]

What's up, Tyler?

[Adam Schaefer]

What you doing, Tyler?

[Justin Andrews]

How's it going, man?

[Sal Destefano]

Good, good. How can we help you?

[Adam Schaefer]

I was a little. The thing about myself, I'm 28 years old. I'm 6 foot 1, 292 pounds. I was 336 pounds before cancer. My job's a mason tender and I have three kids. And my question is kind of about symmetry and all that. My right side of my body is stronger and bigger, but my left side has. Has more definition and has a way worse mind muscle connection. How to fix that?

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, well, I mean, we have a program for that. Do you have map symmetry?

[Adam Schaefer]

No, I have no maps. Programs.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, dude, that's the. That's perfect for you. So, yeah, you, you, you should live in unilateral training for a good year.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yep.

[Sal Destefano]

And it'll balance out your body, strengthen you. You'll feel good. You'll. It's just. It'll make a huge difference. Difference. Map symmetry is exactly that.

[Justin Andrews]

Start with the weak side first.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when you follow the program on the unilateral lifts, do start the lift on the weak side. Let the weak side dictate the reps and the weight. And what you'll find is over the course of two or three months, things will start to balance out strength wise. Over six months, you'll start to see aesthetic changes that balance out by the end of the year. You're gonna. You should be great. You should feel great.

[Adam Schaefer]

What'd you do to bring down the weight? When I had cancer, it was testicular cancer. My testerone testosterone dropped a lot within two months. And this is slowly getting back to normal. How long you been in remission? A little over a year now. Okay, good.

[Sal Destefano]

Did you have to go on TRT or you're back to normal?

[Adam Schaefer]

I'm not back to normal, but they won't put me on TRT because it's still not classified as low enough.

[Sal Destefano]

Got it, got it. Well, that's good. Usually it comes back, especially young man your age. Yeah, no, we'll send you map symmetry, dude. That's the program to follow. It's. It's perfect for what you're explaining. Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

All right. Thank you very much.

[Sal Destefano]

You got it, man. Thanks for calling in. Thank you. Adam's like, how did you lose weight? Cancer. That sucks.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, my God.

[Sal Destefano]

He's, you know, balancing out the body. Here's the thing. It's not a hard thing to do, but it does take focus. And very rarely do people follow a structured unilateral training program. We'll do unilateral exercises in a program, but most programs are bilateral focused. And so, you know, where am I going with this? When you do a concentrated unilateral program, like a few months, you notice tremendous progress because the body starts to balance out and used to build muscle. Muscle. You build a lot of muscle through that process.

[Adam Schaefer]

Somebody this in balance, too, would spending at least a year doing this too. Yep. So it's not even just a short program of three months doing it.

[Sal Destefano]

You need to.

[Adam Schaefer]

If you. If he has that much of a discrepancy from left to right, he needs to stay.

[Sal Destefano]

And symmetry is one of those programs you could do for a long time. It doesn't cause imbalances like maps, anabolic, where you could. If you follow it too often or too long, you can start to, you know, develop some injuries.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, I mean, we built and developed this program specifically for that type of an issue. So it's like. Yeah, yeah. It's like we have the perfect thing for you.

[Doug]

Our next caller is Howard from Ontario.

[Sal Destefano]

What's up, Howard? How you doing, Howard? Goodnight.

[Caller]

Great. Great to be on. Guys, I really like your podcast.

[Sal Destefano]

Thank you so much. How can we help you?

[Caller]

So I just had a quick question about how do you live? How do you hit your protein goals without raising your cholesterol? I have high cholesterol. I'm Trying to lower it. I like animal based protein, but it tends to spike my, my, my cholesterol level. So I'm just trying to wonder how to hit my targets without having high cholesterol.

[Sal Destefano]

Sure, good question. How, if you don't mind me asking, what's the number get to.

[Caller]

You know what, it's, it's high. I don't actually know the exact number at the moment, but when it comes back on the test it's all high. I, I think I could be a hyper absorber and I might have some genetic history as well, but I don't want to take a statin and I'm just trying to modify my diet.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. So there are polymorphisms where some people when they consume saturated fats, their total cholesterol goes up and their lipids in general go off. Right. So you look at LDL and HDL and they can be thrown off. And so this happens with some people. And so like step one that I would do with clients like this is I would move them towards grass fed meat, meat, leaner cuts and I would have them go with a lot of fish and that oftentimes did a lot. Now if that didn't do it, then step two would be adding psyllium husk fiber where they would take that with each meal. That tends to lower cholesterol. And then step three was to add the supplement red yeast rice extract. Which is actually a natural stat. Yeah. Which tends to do the trick. But oftentimes it's just, you know, changing the sources of fats. And so I would have them, like I said, eat more meat, grass fed meat, it's got a different fatty acid profile, a little bit better and leaner cuts. And so they would get their fats from avocados and nuts and olive oil for example.

[Adam Schaefer]

Would you also have them do further testing to find out like the particles and so as far as like what, what it's reading as far as the.

[Sal Destefano]

Hdl, it depends how high. Like I don't, that's why I asked what the number was. Yeah, if it's like 220, you know, but if you're like in the 300s, 400s, some people like really, you know, produce a tremendous amount of cholesterol. Yeah.

[Caller]

What, what about eggs and cheese? Because I, I do like those eggs tend to have.

[Sal Destefano]

No, no, the data shows tend to do nothing to cholesterol. Cheese and dairy can through the saturated fat.

[Caller]

Fat.

Okay.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. So it's really saturated fat that you want to look at that can have a negative effect on for some people now. Some people, it doesn't affect them. I'm one of those people. I could eat saturated fat till my, my, you know, till I can't breathe anymore. It doesn't affect my cholesterol in any way. But other people it's. It does. So dairy would be another one that you would want to look at.

[Adam Schaefer]

I mean, grass fed beef makes a huge difference.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, grass fed meat makes. It makes a pretty big difference if you eat a lot of red meat.

[Caller]

I've been buying this, like Australian one. I don't know if it's grass fed or not.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, you'd want grass fed, grass finished.

[Caller]

Yeah, that's tough to get.

[Sal Destefano]

It can be. Yeah, it definitely can be. But like, again, if you go to.

[Adam Schaefer]

Leaner cuts, does Butcherbox ship up to Canada?

[Sal Destefano]

I don't know.

[Adam Schaefer]

Do they ship up there?

[Sal Destefano]

I don't know if butcher box.

[Caller]

I don't know.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, Doug's looking it up right now.

[Sal Destefano]

Here's something else you could try. Right. So oftentimes. Well, let me ask you this. What's your fitness goal?

[Caller]

They do just gain muscle, lose fat like everyone else.

[Sal Destefano]

Okay. Doug said Butcherbox delivers to Canada. I would look into them. Yeah, they have really, really good cuts of, of grass fed meat. So. Okay, so losing eating in a deficit and dropping carbohydrates in many cases makes a big difference. How is your carbohydrate or sugar intake?

[Caller]

I try, I'm trying to lower that as well. Definitely low on the sugar for carbs. I mostly eat like complex carbs like potatoes or rice. I dropped wheat completely, so I wanted to try how that would have any effect on my metabolism as well. So that's kind of where I'm at. But I don't eat. The only real carbs that I eat are fruits and vegetables.

[Sal Destefano]

How long have you been doing that for a while.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Have you lost body fat since you started doing that?

[Caller]

I don't know.

It kind of comes and goes. I was down to about 180 at one point. The holidays aren't so great for weight loss, but definitely I'm gonna do like dry January. So that might have a good impact as well, so that I just completely cut out alcohol.

[Sal Destefano]

Okay. And how many, if you don't mind me asking, how many, many drinks were you averaging per week?

[Caller]

Maybe like five.

[Sal Destefano]

Okay. Makes a big difference.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

That often makes a big difference. Alcohol impacts the liver, and the liver is where the cholesterol. Yeah. Is made even more so than sugar. Yeah. So that makes a pretty Big difference for some people. So, you know, stay consistent with what you're doing. You can make some of those changes, honestly, if you. If you're eating clean, hitting your protein, strength training, no alcohol, in a deficit, and you add, like, the psyllium husk. Psyllium husk is just the fiber and probably give you better digestion anyway. It's also got other benefits that might do the trick.

[Caller]

Okay. I've been doing chia seeds in the morning with, like, Greek yogurt.

[Sal Destefano]

So psyllium husk is different. So I would use psyllium husk. You take it with each meal.

[Caller]

Okay.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. Like five or six capsules or teaspoon or tablespoon.

[Adam Schaefer]

Soon you order it on Amazon, have.

[Sal Destefano]

It here super cheap. And I mean, I've been using it for a while. It's really good for gut health. Also, it also helps the body re get rid of microplastics because it binds to them. So you could try a few of those things with the dry January and then retest and see where you're at.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, I bet 30 days of eating like that and taking that, he'd be a lot better.

[Sal Destefano]

Absolutely.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Caller]

Okay.

[Sal Destefano]

Thank you.

[Caller]

Thank you.

[Adam Schaefer]

I'll try that.

[Caller]

Definitely.

[Sal Destefano]

You got it, man. Thanks for calling in.

[Adam Schaefer]

All right, Howard.

[Sal Destefano]

Part.

[Caller]

Thanks.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, I'm glad we got to the alcohol part, bro.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. Okay, so alcohol is top right above sugar. Everybody thinks. Everybody thinks sugar.

[Sal Destefano]

Like, there is no, like, healthy amount of alcohol. It's a huge myth. The studies on alcohol that show a benefit what they don't control for. Because you'll see some studies like, oh, a glass of wine. We've all heard that. Right? It's got some health benefits.

[Justin Andrews]

This is just Mark marketing.

[Sal Destefano]

What they're looking at are people that commune with other people. And so people who have a glass of wine who are with other people and communing overall tend to be healthier. But when you control for all that, it's any amount of alcohol.

[Adam Schaefer]

Well, yeah. And they try and use the effect that's coming from grapes and the antioxidants that you get.

[Sal Destefano]

Drink a glass of grape juice then. Yeah.

[Doug]

Our next caller is Charlie from Iowa.

[Sal Destefano]

What's up, Charlie?

[Adam Schaefer]

How you doing, Charlie?

[Sal Destefano]

What's happening?

[Caller]

Hey, guys. Things are going well here. A little cold, but, you know, how.

[Adam Schaefer]

Can we help you?

[Caller]

Yeah. So thrilled to be here and give a little context. Start of my fitness journey is about nine, ten years ago, and I have been with you the whole time. So thank you for what you guys do.

[Sal Destefano]

Awesome.

[Caller]

2015, 2016, I was considerably overweight, about 350 pounds. Started dedicating some time to diet and really a lot of cardio and dropped down over 100 pounds. Got to around 235. I moved, started a new job and moved in with a guy who was a power lifter. And so that's when I really started getting into lifting. 21, 22. Did a lot of powerlifting, did some competition and I got to a total of 11, 10. So pretty good on the big three.

[Sal Destefano]

Nice, nice.

[Caller]

Switched again a couple years ago to where I'm currently at. So full time I'm here at my desk at our company, my sales rep for a moving company. I'm also a part time professor, a full time doctoral student and very active in my church. So a lot going on and over the last two years, just kind of just normal running like maps anabolic pretty consistently but still have a long way to go. Kind of up and down with the weight whether I'm in a bulk or a cut between 260 to 280. And my question is kind of with my 2026 goals. So have a couple of powerlifting competitions I'd like to do. One of those is a full three in March and then the fun one with my gym is a deadlift competition in July. Also have a friend that has signed up for a half marathon and I agreed but I'm a little concerned that they. And so trying to fit a half marathon prep with powerlifting at the same time. So that's my question. Should I or can I reasonably mix those and with my long term goals of just being as strong and as fit as possible. What would you guys recommend?

[Adam Schaefer]

Well, Charlie, you're a grown up, you can do whatever you want. But you're gonna suck at both of them. They couldn't be more conflicting with each other.

[Sal Destefano]

You could do both. But like Adam said, you'll just suck at them. You're gonna pick one dude.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. Just because they're so different and in fact. Yeah. The, the extra weight, all that stuff is going to play into the competition that's going to play against the marathon. I mean it's like the, the two couldn't be further from each other.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

It doesn't mean you can't do it. Just, you know, go into it and knowing that you wouldn't do very well at either one of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Caller]

And being a regular listener, I knew that's what you guys would say. So would there be benefit for me to take a break from the lifting to do more Cardio. Like I, I don't really do any dedicated cardio other than steps. Is there a benefit to pausing the lifting for half marathon training?

[Sal Destefano]

Let me help you out. So you got a pretty busy schedule. But Charlie, do you have kids, married, or is it just all the stuff that you said?

[Caller]

It's. I'm single. Just all those things.

[Sal Destefano]

Okay.

[Caller]

It's kind of the life.

[Sal Destefano]

Okay, tell me what your schedule looks like work wise with all the stuff that you're doing and then what's your sleep look like?

[Caller]

Yeah, so the company get here at 7am each day and work until about 3. And then I usually go to the gym directly from work. They're about five minutes apart so it's on the way home. Works really well.

[Sal Destefano]

Okay.

[Caller]

And then when I get home, eat dinner and then it's kind of a scramble to get class prep, do my own homework, things like that. Pretty dedicated. You go to bed around 9, 9:30 each night and sleep. So it's not great, but it's serviceable. I usually get seven, eight good hours.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's pretty good.

[Caller]

But I do, I do wake up quite a bit throughout the night so it's not, not ideal for sleep. But things, things are pretty busy, pretty stressful.

[Sal Destefano]

The waking up can sometimes be a sign of over training.

[Justin Andrews]

Yep.

[Sal Destefano]

Okay, so what does your workout look like right now? Because you said you go to the gym. How long are you in the gym? What are you doing?

[Caller]

Yeah. So most of the fall I was running Maps Anabolic and with, with some, you know, nod to power lifting. So probably more deadlifting than, than typical. But I had been doing pretty consistent three to four days a week and usually about 45 minutes to an hour with those. Okay, I did just start power lift 15. So trying to dial back, just recognizing that things were a little much, especially through the holidays. But that's, that's kind of where I'm at.

[Sal Destefano]

And then diet, diet wise are you whole food based eating, are you hitting your protein targets every day?

[Caller]

Not as consistent as I was a few years back, but I do aim at 200 grams of protein and I would say most days are in the orbit of 200, but not always super clean. Learned my previous roommate. We were huge fans of the dirty bulk. So I have some bad habits that still need to get refurbished there.

[Adam Schaefer]

I mean, what, okay, if he, if he, if he consistently hits a high protein diet, he runs mass power lift 15 and then he has run like goes for a run afterwards?

[Sal Destefano]

Well, I was just gonna say so he could do. There's Some really cool studies that have just recently come out out that have compared two ways of training for both strength and endurance. The traditional way of doing this is to either a combine it in a workout so you would do your lifting first, then you would end with a little bit of stamina training or you would do a day of dedicated lifting with a day of dedicated stamina. They compare that to a group of people that did one week of strength training only and then one week of endurance training and then one week of strength training and then so the alternating, alternate weeks, the alternating weak group did better and everything. So if you want both now I'm going to be clear. You're not going to get the greatest amount of both by doing both. So you're not going to be as strong as you can get if you just did strength. You're not going to get as much endurance as you could get if you just did endurance. Right. This is like hybrid but you'll get some above both. So what you could do is maps 15 power lift one week, the next week focus on building endurance, no lifting. Then get back to Maps 15 power lift the following week as if you were doing it week after week and alternate like that. The other thing I'll add is this. Start meal prepping and hit 220 grams of protein every day. Yeah, that'll make a huge difference. But you got a meal prep dude. Because what probably happens is you miss, then you order out, you eat a little whatever and garbage comes in and you move miss. It makes a massive difference.

[Adam Schaefer]

Nothing will make you suck more of both these things but than hitting, not hitting protein while trying to especially big.

[Sal Destefano]

Dude like you with all that training.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, yeah, you, you start running and you're only doing this once and you're, and you're missing protein. Like that's the fastest way to suck at both. But you could, you could, you could do all right if you did that.

[Sal Destefano]

If you do what I said, 220 every day consistently. Which means you'll probably have to throw a shake in there. Meal prep, prep and you know, maps 15 power lift. Then the next week is marathon, you know, half marathon style training and alternate. You should get some really nice results.

[Adam Schaefer]

And the work up to the half marathon running, by the way, it's not like you go for a half marathon.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, you want programming for that too. So it's like, it's, you know, it's like strength training. You need program, you just go run your butt off.

[Caller]

Well, it's, it's the complete opposite of deadlifting I love deadlifting and squatting and benching. I hate running. So, you know, you guys are giving me the ammo and the gun that I need here to. To say no to the running, but I can't see the benefit of doing it. Yeah, I think that answers my question, so thank you guys so much.

[Sal Destefano]

You got it, man. Thanks for calling in.

[Caller]

Yeah, thank you, guys. Bye.

[Sal Destefano]

Got it. When he first was telling us to schedule, I was like, oh, my God, that's a lot. But then I asked him, like, do you have kids? And if I was like, no, all right, you're fine.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. And he's getting. And he sounds like he's very religious about getting bed at 9 o'.

[Sal Destefano]

Clock. Exactly.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, he's getting seven to eight. Eight. Like, that's. That's not bad. And then he's. And then when he. I heard he switched to Maps 15, I went, that's a way more appropriate program. And then. Yeah, if he toggles this between, like you said, either.

[Sal Destefano]

I have yet to try it. Dude.

[Justin Andrews]

I know.

[Sal Destefano]

The studies are interesting.

[Adam Schaefer]

Me, too.

[Justin Andrews]

I. I heard. So I'm not sure if. What podcast were you on where the guy's like, an endurance athlete and he's also like, Nick Bear.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

I wonder if he trains like that.

[Sal Destefano]

Like, I don't know. Yeah, that guy's a machine.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Great guy, too. Too super nice guy. Yeah. But this. This is. These are cool study. I have yet to try it. In fact, I never trained a client that way. I always mixed it. Right. You know, But I do a dedicated day.

[Adam Schaefer]

I mean, you.

[Sal Destefano]

But it makes so much sense where you're at.

[Adam Schaefer]

Makes sense with the amount of muscle that you've put on. You'd be a really fun test to do this with right now.

[Sal Destefano]

I probably won't, but.

[Justin Andrews]

I'll probably have to do this at some point.

[Sal Destefano]

Justin, do it.

[Doug]

Our next caller is Gabriel from Texas.

[Sal Destefano]

What's up, Gabriel?

[Adam Schaefer]

Doing, man.

[Caller]

Hey, how y' all doing?

[Adam Schaefer]

Good, man.

[Sal Destefano]

Good, man. Good to see you again. So give us an update.

[Caller]

Nice to see y'.

[Sal Destefano]

All.

[Caller]

Okay, so the last time we spoke, I had some PRs for y'. All. So my squat was 440, my bench was 293, and my deadlift was 481. I'll tell y' all the do's first and then the don'ts that I did from the things that y' all gave me advice for. So I. I really did prioritize my sleep, that one. Like, even my dad, when I got this job, he like. Like, Kind of told me, like, every day, dude, get your sleep. Get your sleep. And so I was just like, okay. Like, I know it's a big deal. I kind of just asked y' all for, like, the gym aspect of it, so I. I really did prioritize my sleep a lot. One of my co workers, he would like to go out a lot. And I told him when I was on this prep, I was like, dude, I'm not going out with you. Like, I'm sorry. I hate to sound like that, but I have. If it's between me getting my, like, eight and a half to nine hours of sleep or going out for a couple drinks with you, like, I'm sorry, dude, but no, I'm. I'm going to sleep. And so that was. That was, like, a really, really big thing that I, like, made a priority over, like, well, from out throughout the. The time that we talked and the course of my prep. And then my nutrition was a very close second. And then obviously, the gym, like, you know, the lifting was. Was right behind that. But so since then, I do have some new PRs to tell you all about.

[Sal Destefano]

All right.

[Caller]

My squat went from 440 to 491.

[Sal Destefano]

Nice.

[Caller]

I bench went from 293 to 299.

[Sal Destefano]

All right.

[Caller]

And my deadlift went from 481 to 485.

[Adam Schaefer]

Nice.

[Caller]

I did. I did do my competition, like, two weeks ago, and I got second place.

[Sal Destefano]

Nice.

[Adam Schaefer]

Nice.

[Justin Andrews]

Good job.

[Caller]

Yeah, so that. That was. Yeah, good, good, good, good. Test for me.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, that's great. What's your question?

[Caller]

So. So my question to y' all is, what can I do to improve my deadlift? Because I do pull conventional. And it's just. That was the one that, like, people ask me, like, how do you squat more than you deadlift? Or, like, you know, like, how. Like, how is your deadlift not better than it is now? And this is just like, my friends that I've made at the gym that. That, you know, we kind of just talk like, oh, what was your. What was your lack. Recent pr. What was this? And so when I tell them about my deadlift, that's always the one that I'm kind of just like, yeah, I know. That's my. My weakest lift.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, but you got a nice squat. How tall are you, bro?

[Caller]

Five eight.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

So you're gonna.

[Adam Schaefer]

You're gonna be a better squatter.

[Sal Destefano]

I mean, you know, this happens sometimes. Yeah, usually someone deadlifts more than they squat, which is why people are like, what's going on here. But there are cases, Justin, your.

[Adam Schaefer]

Your squad.

[Justin Andrews]

I'm in this category too. Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. Justin's squ. Deadlift.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. So. So have you tried using variable resistance with your deadlifts, like bands and chains?

[Caller]

I haven't. My coach was implementing positive deadlifts for a little while, but when we got closer to competition, he kind of cut it out and we just stuck to straight. Yeah, yeah, Comp. Deadlift.

[Sal Destefano]

Ask about. Ask about using bands. I. I got great results implementing bands, you know, speed deadlifts. Clients got great results with them. I would implement those and see if that makes a big difference for you.

[Caller]

Okay.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. The other thing you can do too, is reduce the intensity that you put on your squat.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

And. And so you can, you know, dedicate it to your.

[Justin Andrews]

Demonstrate it out of it.

[Caller]

Yeah, I. I do think that that that played a part because I think it was over the summer. I had one block of singles and my. My primary days were all back to. Back to back. And my deadlift happened to be the last day. And I told my coach, I told him, hey, man, I'm. I'm kind of like, my body's not feeling it. I don't know how this is going to go, but I'm still going to attempt it anyway. And so that was my first time attempting 485, and I had failed it. But then going into this prep, everything in terms of deadlift was looking like I was going to pull something pretty. Pretty good. But I failed 501 on the week. The week right before my prep. So my week four, I mean, right before my comp. I'm sorry, my week four, but it broke the ground. So I knew 485 was gonna move. It was just whether or not I was feeling it at the competition.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. And so you have a powerlifting coach.

[Caller]

Yes, sir.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, dude. So ask about using variable resistance, like bands and chains.

[Caller]

Okay.

[Sal Destefano]

Especially for. For guys who are advanced like you, who are strong. Like, I don't necessarily do that with people when I've, you know, been training for the first year or two. But once you start to hit those plateaus and the higher numbers, it. I mean, it's. It got my. This is what got my deadlift above 550. It was like. It stuck there for a long time. Then I started using bands. I'd go down to 405 and I'd put heavy, strong bands. And I do some. Some weeks like that where I'm pulling against heavy bands hands, and they felt real smooth, and it just it just my, my deadlift went through the roof. I added £50.

[Adam Schaefer]

I mean this isn't definitely not my wheelhouse, but when I've had success, when I'm, I just, I prioritize the one that I care about the most. In other words, like if it's deadlift, it, it becomes the lift that I focus on first in the week. And that made a huge difference. And then vice versa. When I was doing, when I was trying to chase after my squat going up, it was like squat became the priority. So I don't know if that's what it looks like in your week week is, you know, are you focusing more on the squat or. It's normally after your rest days and when you feel your best, like you just flip that and make the deadlift become kind of the priority when you're, when you're training.

[Caller]

I think, I think my coach did notice that because he did put my deadlift. It used to be on. It was either Tuesdays or Thursdays and then, and he switched it to Mondays.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, so.

[Caller]

So then I had Friday was my primary squad squat, Saturday was my primary bench. So I had all day Saturday, all day Sunday, and then I wouldn't go to the gym till Monday after work. Yeah, so that was giving me like, you know, that 48 hour window to recover from the squat.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, that always helped me when I was like, when I was focused.

[Sal Destefano]

You're at a level where, you know, because you're strong, you're really strong. How much? About what's your body weight?

[Caller]

I signed up at 82.5, but I weighed in at 80 flat. That. So it was 176.

[Adam Schaefer]

Wow. Oh yeah, you're strong.

[Sal Destefano]

So you're at it. You're at a level now where the, the small tweaks make the difference. Like you know, chains, bands, deficit deads, you know, speed deadlifts, you know, like pause. These little techniques start to make a big difference for people.

[Adam Schaefer]

Like you even, even consider like how, how long have you been like in the training this way too? Have you kind of cycled out and did like something that's more like hypertrophy, focus hypertrophy or unilateral work. Like because you're, you are, you're at this level where you know, gaining three to five pounds is a big deal now because you're already kind of at peak performance. Have you cycled off?

[Caller]

So, so I, this is actually on New Year's is going to be my second full year powerlifting. I'm like relatively new. I know that's not new, but I'm still like, new amongst my friends that have been doing it. And I actually just talked to my coach about this because I don't remember which episode. We're not really supposed to wear our AirPods at work anymore, so I kind of binge listen to you guys. So I don't remember which one it was, but I know you guys did recommend like a full block of unilateral training. So I did pitch that to my coach and he told me that he liked that idea.

[Adam Schaefer]

So. Okay.

[Caller]

I think starting this block, we are going to start to implement things like that.

[Adam Schaefer]

I think that'll be huge. I think if you do a block of unilateral training, then you come back again. I think. I think you'll. You'll see some good stuff from that too.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, he.

[Caller]

He wants me to do two, so.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, I like that.

[Caller]

I'm thinking we're doing two full blocks of just. I'm still gonna do the compound lifts, but a majority of my accessory work after that is just going to be unilateral.

[Adam Schaefer]

I love that.

[Sal Destefano]

And I'm assuming you're doing things like reverse hypers and all that.

[Adam Schaefer]

Is.

[Caller]

Can you elaborate on that?

[Sal Destefano]

So reverse hyper. So you know what a reverse hyperloop.

[Adam Schaefer]

You lay flat on your stomach and.

[Sal Destefano]

Then you swing your legs come out, your legs up.

[Caller]

Oh, yeah, yeah. We have a machine like that. I do that one as well.

Yes.

[Sal Destefano]

Good. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, that's great. So I got reverse. Reverse hypers, single leg deadlifts bands.

[Adam Schaefer]

You said a lot from your hip thrust.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, hip thrusts. Those translated really well to my deadlift.

[Caller]

Okay. So I. Because I don't. I don't think my coach adds hip thrust in. I could ask him maybe if we could add that one in.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, it'd be a good time. While you're doing this unilateral work, like take. You take a break from like the. A lot of hard, traditional powerlifting. And this is where I would add unilateral work and some of the stuff that he's talking.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, a lot of it's not a traditional powerlifting exercise because hip thrusts weren't really popular for a long time. But this is more recent for me and I never really did them back in the day. I only did them for correctional exercise purposes. But you could load the heck out of a hip thrust. And you know, I could. I got my hip thrusts up to close to £700. And for sure I saw translation to my dead lift.

[Caller]

I think One of the episodes, I don't remember who made fun of you for that. They were like bragging about that.

[Adam Schaefer]

Definitely Justin and I make fun of him.

[Sal Destefano]

We.

[Adam Schaefer]

We definitely make fun of him when he does it.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, yeah. They can't.

[Adam Schaefer]

Doctor, he does have the. He does have the biggest deadlift. You know what I'm saying? He's got the biggest deadlift, but the only thing, he's got the biggest stuff by that. He's got that for sure.

[Sal Destefano]

There's one other thing I want to.

[Justin Andrews]

See how that translates to kettle bell swings.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's.

[Sal Destefano]

I don't know.

[Caller]

Yeah, okay. I, I'll, I'll mention that to my coach. So I'm, I'm assuming the. So like, my, my top sets, I would have to do them without the bands and then the back down sets. I could tell him, yeah, like, hey, can we try adding bands to see if that.

[Sal Destefano]

What I would do. What I used to do with mine was the, The Deadlift Workout was a dedicated band one. So instead of working up to a heavy weight, I would add bands and I'd focus on speed.

[Adam Schaefer]

So.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

So just to give you an example, let's say at the moment, you know, my, my top deadlift is 520. Let's say I'd go up to maybe 350 and I'd put really heavy bands on the bar and I'd focus on speed. And the way bands pull, it feels totally different because at the bottom you don't notice it. You get up to the topic. It's really hard. And it just made my deadlift so strong.

[Adam Schaefer]

I did.

[Caller]

I. I think I know what you're talking about because I did start implementing that when I warm up for my bench.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Caller]

So, like, I'll take a heavy bench and then like with really light weight, I'll just do like a temple on the way down and try to explode as fast as I can.

[Sal Destefano]

But bands are great. Bands are great for the speed. They're great because they get really tight at the top.

[Adam Schaefer]

I really love what you and your coach are doing, though. Two blocks of unilateral work I think is going to be two years straight of like powerlifting.

[Justin Andrews]

Your body will get you good and stable.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, you got, you got like two or three years of more gains. Dude. Dude, you're doing really well.

[Caller]

Yeah, don't tell me that because I'm, I'm chasing numbers right now.

[Adam Schaefer]

You're doing good.

[Sal Destefano]

You're at the point now where injury prevention should be at the top because you're Pretty strong.

[Adam Schaefer]

Which is another reason why the unilateral is going to be.

[Sal Destefano]

That's right.

[Caller]

So that. That was actually going to go into my next question if. If there's still time.

[Adam Schaefer]

Sure.

[Caller]

Okay. So I. I think the last time we spoke, I had told y' all that I don't really have, like, very many friends out here yet. Yet. But I. Like I said, I do have friends at the gym now. So a couple of times a week. Well, not a. Usually it's once a week. Sometimes we go twice. But they'll invite me to go play soccer with them. And I hurt my knee, like, six to eight weeks out of my recent competition. And so I. I was just. I. I honestly think I would have hit a heavier squat had I not got that little knee injury, but I didn't squat anything heavier than 363 for, like, I think maybe three or four weeks. So, like, the last three weeks of my. Of my prep, I kind of pushed my CNS to.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Caller]

If I could at least get that back. But is there any way that I could still, like, play soccer?

[Adam Schaefer]

You don't want to do. You don't. I wouldn't be doing that while you're in the middle of powerlifting training. That's. That's, like, recipe for an injury to go do something.

[Sal Destefano]

Here's the thing, though. You got to balance this out, dude. So, you know, look at your life and what's important to you because you have a social component overall, like, big picture, the soccer is going to keep you agile. You're not a heavy guy. If you just focus on powerlifting for the next five years and you never do anything with agility, you're going to lose a lot of agility.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. But here's a good time, though. You're about to do two blocks of unilateral. This is when I would play around with some soccer movements and doing some.

[Justin Andrews]

Increase your mobility.

[Sal Destefano]

The closer you get to competition is when you would eliminate it.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. Like, don't. I know you mentioned that you're still going to be doing some of your. Some of your traditional. It's okay. You're not going to lose. Lose all this crazy strength. If you do just do a lot of. Focus on unilateral and maybe do some agility training. Maybe have some. Sorry, but that's the time to do it. You don't do that in the middle of, like, I'm trying to stack weight.

[Sal Destefano]

On the ball away from a competition.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. Yeah. You don't want to be put. That's not when you play. So you play soccer in this, this two week block you got coming up right now. So you, you have, you, you. Because you're challenging unilateral stability. Like, that's the time to do that. Not when you're like really trying to.

[Sal Destefano]

Increase your lift, but overall, I would say just look at your overall, like, what do you want, want out of your life? And if you're like, man, I just want a power lift and that's what brings you joy, then yeah, you definitely have to make some decisions. But if you're like, you know what? I love powerlifting, but I really like the social component.

[Adam Schaefer]

I mean, my man, my man is passing up drinks to go to bed at 9 so he can get his. He wants to hit some.

[Caller]

I'm not making that up either, I promise.

[Adam Schaefer]

I know. I believe. I'm trying to tell, I'm trying to tell you sell. You're very focused right now, very serious about getting your power.

[Sal Destefano]

But that then on the other end, Adam, he's not doing the social component with that, but he's got the social component with soccer.

[Adam Schaefer]

He's a young man.

[Sal Destefano]

So you just gotta, you just got. My point is you just consider it all. Make your decision, stick with it. You know what I mean?

[Caller]

Okay. Okay. I appreciate that.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

But this, in my opinion, this is the time that you would, you would play with things like soccer. And like, because you're going to a unilateral, you're given a little bit of a break of the really heavy lifting and bilateral stuff. Now it's time to do unilateral multiplanar movements. Maybe throw in some soccer here and there like that. That's the time to do it. Then when you get back off those two blocks, it's. It's game time. It's powerlifting time. And now you're back to your programming, you're adding the bands in, you're doing all that stuff.

[Caller]

Yeah, that, that was what I definitely told myself because when I, when I, when I hurt myself in the middle of my prep, I. I kicked my own butt.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Caller]

Like, I was so mad at myself and, and I was. Well, my coach just told me, dude, like, I mean, you're still six weeks out. Like, just recover, rest. We'll see how things go. Because I told him, I know it doesn't feel like I'm, like I'm hurt, like I can't compete, but it's just, I can't squat. Like, I know I can't do that.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. How old are you?

[Caller]

I actually just turned 29 last year.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, you're very disciplined. You're doing great, dude. Yeah.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

And the social component's good, too. You need friends. You need good men around you. I like that you skip the drinking. You know, not a lot of good things happen when you go out at night and drink, but, you know, when you're playing, you know, game with each other and you got your friend, like, that's also important, but you're also very disciplined. Looks like you got a job. You're structured with your training. Sounds like your dad. You got a good relationship with your dad. You're doing great, bro. So, you know, look at all of it as a big picture and say, okay, what do I want out of life? And, you know, what's most important to me? And then you make your decision and stick with it, because if you walk back and forth, that's when you'll have problems.

[Justin Andrews]

It's like, are you going to be a professional powerlifter? Is that your ultimate dream? I mean, it's. It's good to be that disciplined. And, And I think that provides a lot of value, but also, like, yeah, if you. If you also want to have interactions and social, like, you got to add that flexibility in there. So it's okay that you can kind of, like, intermittently go between one or the other.

[Caller]

That's why I. I did tell myself that if I do go play soccer, it would probably be, like, maybe just like, either a deload week or week one, week two, like. Yeah, is that. Is that something that maybe I won't even try it on prep? I promise you I'll never try that again.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, but.

[Caller]

But, like, even, like, if it's just, you know, regular training, like, if it's week one and it's not extremely heavy. Can I. Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Do your due diligence, though, with, like, priming real. Just remember, I mean, you. You have built a. You built a. An engine with a lot of horsepower that's designed to go. Go really hard and fast, straight, and then every once in a while, you're trying to. You're trying to take corners by playing soccer. So just keep that in mind. So understand how much horsepower you've built in this engine of yours running straight. And so you need to make sure that you do a little bit of your mobility, warm up properly, like, and then you'll. You'll. You'll be okay. It's. It's. It's being that strong in that direction, and then all of a sudden think you're Gonna go explosive left to right.

[Justin Andrews]

Definitely take that 15, 20 minutes of mobility before every time you do any kind of soccer.

[Caller]

Soccer.

Okay.

[Doug]

Okay.

[Adam Schaefer]

Do you have. Do you have MAPS Performance?

[Caller]

I do not.

[Adam Schaefer]

All right, so we'll send MAPS Performance to you, and then in MAPS Performance, there's mobility days. And so what I would recommend is you doing all the lower. Especially the lower body stuff before you play soccer.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, the mobility sessions.

[Adam Schaefer]

So throw a mobility session in and do that and do your due diligence before that. That will really protect you from potentially getting hurt, because you do. You got. You've built. You're strong, bro. You're really strong, but you're really strong with both your feet on the ground facing forward. You know that. And then trying to translate that direction going left really quick or twisting or backpedal, like, and soccer requires that at the highest level. And so that's normally where an injury happens. It's. It's not because you're not strong, athletic, and fit. It's because you're strong and athletic, your.

[Justin Andrews]

Hips mobile, and your ankles mobile.

[Caller]

Yes, I do. I do think that is one thing I need to prioritize now is my ankle mobility. Because I just do maybe, like, one warm up before I squat, and then that's kind of it. I think. I think I do need to be better about that. Like, I can admit that for myself.

[Adam Schaefer]

Especially if you want to play soccer, because that requires a ton of ankle.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, my gosh.

[Adam Schaefer]

So, I mean, if you got. If you got these stone ankles, you got this explosive quads, hamstring glutes, like, you're gonna. They're gonna hurt your knees. That's. That's where the knee pain is coming.

[Justin Andrews]

From all day long. You just create discipline for that. So it's top of mind. And you just, like, keep practicing mobility exercises for your ankle. It'd be pretty good.

[Caller]

Do.

Does that MAPS Performance have anything for, like, ankle mobility?

[Adam Schaefer]

Yes. Yes.

[Caller]

Okay. Okay. I appreciate that.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, yeah, we'll send that to you. Work on that.

[Caller]

This is just real quick. I. I've been experimenting with 15 grams of creatine, and I feel fine. Can I try 20?

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The data on that's pretty awesome for brain health.

[Caller]

I. I just heard that. I think you. I listened to it either yesterday or the day before, but I just didn't know, like, how do you know when to call? Like, when is enough?

[Sal Destefano]

I mean, 20 is what the data is showing. I mean, I don't know if there's danger and going above that. I doubt It. I think it's probably more like stomach issues will happen. Yeah. But you could try 20, see if you notice a difference. If you don't back.

[Adam Schaefer]

Back them gummies up or what?

[Caller]

No, I just get the one from Sam's club. It's like 17 for 100. And it's. It's a Sebums brand, so it's, you know, it's a pretty good brand.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. Yeah. Creatine, monohydrate. You're good. You're right.

[Caller]

But, yeah, I appreciate that. Thank you so much for the. For the program as well.

[Sal Destefano]

You got it, man.

[Adam Schaefer]

All right, man.

[Justin Andrews]

Take it easy.

[Caller]

Have a good day.

[Sal Destefano]

You got it. You know. You know, it's. It's. It depends who I'm talking to, Right? If this was a young man that struggled with discipline, then that's what you push. He is a disciplined guy.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

And the mis. What can happen to sometimes a guy guy? That's. Which is not common. Usually young men are not very disciplined, but when they're really disciplined, they get so focused on one thing that they. They leave out or lose the value of other things, like socialization, having good men around you. And sometimes it looks like it's just work or it's just workouts or, you know, so that's why I'm like, you know, measure it out. See for yourself, you know?

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. But I'll tell you where I'm coming from. I'm. I'm this. This. This kid. Literally the same age. Was all. For the first time in my life, chasing pr, hitting big numbers, and then still wanting to go play basketball. That's where all my injuries.

[Justin Andrews]

Yes.

[Adam Schaefer]

So. And it's a recipe. Yeah, it's. It's a recipe for that. When you all sudden get really strong, you know, in one plane. But you're young, you can still get out on the court. You can do things. Your. Your body's different now, and so that's where I'm coming from. On. On. That is not that, like.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, I mean, it's true.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. I mean, I'm pro, social. Do all those things, but it's like, you got to be careful, account for it.

[Justin Andrews]

You got for it.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

When you get.

[Adam Schaefer]

When you get that, it's not like you'd be different if he's just a guy who likes to work out and he's. He's. He's strong. He's real strong for his size, almost 500 pounds.

[Justin Andrews]

I mean, I'd be like, don't do it if, like, he was that disciplined where he's trying to make a career out of being like, yeah, pro powerlifter. But you know, if this is just like a hobby, he's got to be.

[Adam Schaefer]

But this is in my, in my opinion what he should do in this block where he's doing unilateral is completely let go of the squat bench. Deadlift is like a focus at all. It's just like unilateral work and maybe starting to do some performance stuff and multiplanear stuff and like play some soccer.

[Justin Andrews]

The irony is he works just on all that. He's gonna get stronger.

[Adam Schaefer]

Exactly. That's my, my point is like go all in on the, the playing soccer, doing the mobility, doing all the things in this two week block. You're not gonna, you're not gonna come back and be a 300 squatter all of a sudden. Like you're, he's gonna be strong and he'll probably surpass those numbers that way. But trying to mix them when you're, when you're that strong, that's, that's a dangerous game.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. We'll see you. It's at Mine Pump Media.

[Doug]

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