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Sal
Most downloaded fitness, health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. Today's episode live callers called in and we coach them on air. We help them with their fat loss, muscle gain and health goals. But this was after the Intro. Today's intro, 51 minutes long. That's where we talk about fat loss and muscle gain and fitness and current events and supplements. It's a good time. By the way, if you want to be on an episode like this and get coached by us, send your question to mplifecaller.com now. This episode is brought to you by some sponsors. The first one is Huel. This is a new sponsor for us. They have ready to drink protein shakes. They're actually meal replacements, so they have some carbs and some fats, but they're vegan. So for those of you that can't have dairy or can't have other sources of protein, it's a vegan shake. 35 grams of protein in each bottle. It's delicious. Today I had their chocolate peanut butter. It tastes so good. Good fatty acids, good nutrients. It's actually a delicious shake. And again, it's vegan. If you want to try it and get a discount, you'll get 15% off. Go to huel.com, that's H-U-L.com mindpump. The code mind pump will get you that 15% off. This episode is also brought to you by seed. This is the world's best probiotic. Okay. Probiotics have lots of benefits for gut health, digestion, inflammation. We now have studies that show that probiotics can help with athletic performance, building muscle, burning body fat. It's true. Good bacteria has lots and lots of benefits. But you want to go with the best? Go with seed. Go to seed.com mindpump, use the code 20mindpump and get 20% off your first month's order of their daily symbiotic. We also have a 50% off sale of four maps workout programs, maps Starter Maps transform, Maps anabolic and Maps Performance. Half off. Right now. Go to maps january.com use the code newyear50 for the discount. All right, real quick.
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Sal
Hormone replacement therapy. Testosterone replacement therapy. Taking hormones as you age. This is becoming far more popular than it ever has in the past. Today, more people are opting in for hormone replacement therapy than ever. But is it actually healthy? Is it good for you? That's what we're gonna talk about today. Let's get to it.
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Adam
I sure hope so. You told Justin and I we should.
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Sal
Yeah, I was gonna say.
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Adam
Just kidding.
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Sal
Yeah, I just read a study.
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Adam
No, you know, psych.
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Sal
This is like, this is a big topic of topic of conversation now in the health and fitness space. And it wasn't, I mean, it really wasn't that long ago when nobody really talked about it that much. I know, 15 years ago, testosterone. So testosterone replacement therapy was accepted far sooner than hormone replacement therapy. Hormone replacement therapy refers to, you know, kind of the general hormones that you would want to either, you know, mess with to bring up to, you know, youthful levels. But before that, men were just take testosterone. And so that was accepted earlier on. But even 15 years ago, it wasn't super accepted. Oh yeah. Much more taboo. No, and part of it is testosterone is a performance enhancing hormones. So athletes would abuse testosterone. Of course, we know bodybuilders use testosterone and steroids. So it's kind of like this taboo thing. But today, more and more men and women are using hormones replacement therapy, and women in particular. Now this is really starting to climb.
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Katrina
Yeah.
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Sal
Where you're seeing women when they're in perimenopause and menopause, bringing their hormones up to their youthful levels through exogenous, you know, methods. And so it's just everywhere. And one of the questions I get asked often is, is it healthy? You know, that's a big one. Like, is it actually good? Is it?
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Katrina
Okay, well, that new segment with the perimenopause, I mean, they see so much benefit from, you know, going that route and like, really looking into like hormone help. Exogenous, hormone help with that.
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Adam
So, yeah, my, yeah, credit my, my mother in law just how far ahead of her time she was. You know, she's been coaching and helping. She's in her 70s and she's been coaching, helping people for, you know, decades. And I remember, you know, 16 years ago when I first came into the family, she was like the first person I'd ever even heard tell her daughters and stuff that, you know, hey, when you're early in your, in your 20s, go get your hormones all checked so we see where your baseline is. Because you know, you know, in, in your 30s to 40s, you'll want to make sure that's all balanced out. And a lot of that had come from just her experience. Now she's had a lot of medical doctor friends that were ahead of their time also that were saying and doing things way more controversial than what is widely accepted now, you know, 20, 30 years ago. And she would talk about like the, just so many, so many people that she would coach and help that she quickly realized that like the first thing before she would help them with life coaching so that she'd end up sending them to this doctor because she goes, it was night and day difference trying to help somebody whose hormones were in balance versus somebody that was out of balance. And so many people were so unaware of it, especially women that go get that checked, go have that all balanced out. And she just saw this huge significant difference. But that was way before it was popular. It's just now becoming popular.
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Sal
It is. And a lot of people are talking about it. Doctors are coming out and talking about it and research is starting to emerge. We have more research on just testosterone replacement therapy or individual hormones than when they, you know, balance out the kind of, the milieu of them. But you know, there's, there's a couple things that just kind of set the context here of this conversation because here's what I'll hear from people. It's not natural, right? So I'll hear people say, well, yeah, you're supposed to go through perimenopause and menopause and maybe you're supposed to have lower Testosterone in your 60s than you were when you were 18, or growth hormone that, you know, drops or whatever. Like that's supposed to happen. So that means that that's healthier. But there's really have to paint the context properly because. And we do this all the time on the show in regards to nutrition and fitness. We do this all the time. So you could either look at nutrition and fitness as perfect optimization for Longevity. Or you could look at it in our opinion in the more accurate way, which is what's healthy but what also improves your quality of life. Okay, so I'll give you an example of that. Alcohol, Alcohol, not healthy for you. There is no dose that's healthy, period, End of story. So I know in the past we've heard crappy studies say like a glass of wine, it's not healthy in any way, shape or form. One glass of wine is bad for you, 10 is worse. There is no amount of alcohol that's healthy for you. And yet what we see in population studies is that sometimes alcohol consumption leads to longevity. How is that possible? It's not the alcohol, it's the, it's what you do. It's the social component. It's the, the improvement in quality of life in many cases. So you look at certain cultures where they're not drinking alone, they'll have a glass, but they're doing it with friends. And really what you're looking at are when people are socializing and being. I'm not talking about getting smashed, I'm not talking about that stuff. But my point is life quality is also something we need to consider, not just what's perfect. And so now let's talk about hormones. When a woman goes through menopause. Okay, look at the data on this everybody. This is, we have good data on this. Look at the rate of anxiety, depression and divorce. When women go through menopause. Spikes through the roof.
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Katrina
I've seen those numbers.
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Sal
It spikes through the roof. It's a major hormone change. Yes, it's a natural one, but it's a challenging one. And I think what we've done, especially to women, is we kind of gaslit them into saying, look, we'll just deal with it. Your grandmother, deal, dealt with it. Your mom, dealt with it. Just deal with it. Meanwhile, they're going through this thing and they're like, I feel horrible and I'm angry or I'm anxious and what's going on, I don't feel like myself, know, type of deal. So we have to consider quality of life and also look at longevity. You have to look at all those things.
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Adam
Well, this, this was my point earlier about my mother in law. Like the, if you were to ask her what were the, the, the majority of her clientele like? Majority of our clientele we train, we could tell you a percentage, a large percentage were, you know, middle aged women is what we coached more than anything else. And women that were going through menopause was like her number One clientele. And they normally would come to her when they're, when they were struggling with their, their life and their things. And so she quickly realized that, like, you going through this and getting your hormones balanced and fixed makes this, it's, it's hard. Life is hard.
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Justin
Marriage is hard.
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Sal
It's not going to fix things.
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Adam
Right. Kids are hard. All these things are hard. When your hormones are all out of whack, too, it just exacerbates that to the 10th degree and then also disrupts things like sleep and recovery and poor sleep and poor recovery on top of hormones, on top of the. I mean, has a.
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Justin
So it's not weird to me that.
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Adam
The data to your point points to all these things like depression and divorce and all that stuff like that.
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Sal
Of course, you know, now, now we'll just talk about testosterone because we do have good data on testosterone alone and for a man. And I'm going to speak carefully here, but I've confirmed this with a lot of the experts we've had on the show who are actual hormone doctors. It tends to be easier to do hormone replacement therapy for a man than it is for a woman in many cases, for a man, it's literally just testosterone. Yeah. And so we have good data on this. My point with this. And so when you see the, when you look at low testosterone, clinically low testosterone, what does that number look like? It's probably below a total of around 300. This is what the, the lab results, the lab measurements will show. So below a total of 300 is clinically low. You see negative health effects, measurable negative health effects. Things like increased rates of bone fracture, obesity, some cancer rates actually get worse. Heart disease in some studies actually gets a little worse when testosterone is clinically low. Now, that's if you're clinically low. But what if you're around 400, 450, but you have symptoms of low testosterone, like low libido, low energy, low motivation, low drive. Well, then, now we're looking at using testosterone as a way to improve quality of life, which I would argue quality of life may actually contribute to longevity as well. I think we can get carried away with that, but I do think having a better quality of life. And we can look at separate data that shows when you're happier, you have more energy, you're doing things you enjoy, you tend to live longer versus when you're more depressed and anxious and those types of things. It's hard to really single it out, but that's where I would bet. So my point is this is much more complicated than people are led to believe. But again, like, I think it's all of it. So when you look at the forward thinking, or you talk to the forward thinking hormone specialists today, they do a combination of tests and measurements, plus asking them, how's your quality of life? How do you feel?
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Justin
Well, this is why I think there's.
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Adam
So much value to even somebody who is young, feeling healthy and in their prime getting full panels to see where their baseline is.
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Sal
Because now you've got a reference.
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Adam
Yes. So to your point, you know, and, and Doug's a great example of this is somebody that, you know, naturally has these really high testosterone. Imagine, okay, when he gets in his mid-70s or 80s, if he would have never tested before, didn't know his baseline is, and they test him at 75, 80, and they're like, Bro, you're, you're.
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Sal
At 0, 500, you're 500.
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Adam
You're amazing.
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Justin
You're for your age. Oh my God, you're amazing. Little did they know that he's been.
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Adam
Running at a thousand, a thousand to eleven hundred for most of his life. And he might be having all these.
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Justin
Things, like, I just feel so weak and tired.
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Adam
And he's all these symptoms because his testosterone levels have cut in half of what most of his life he's used to. You wouldn't, he would never known that had he not been consistently doing his blood work. And so for the listener who's like.
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Justin
Oh, I'm fine, or, oh, I feel.
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Adam
Good, or I'm in my prime, I, I think there's so much value to.
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Justin
Go get a full panel and get.
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Adam
An idea of what that data looks like, because at some point that will change for everybody. It changes for everybody.
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Sal
Well, my argument around it looks kind of like this. Like, of course, if you go crazy in any direction, you know, if you're trying to, you know, dramatically improve performance, you start to go in that route, like, you're gonna start sacrificing health and longevity. But if you kind of do things in a realistic way, or should I say in a conservative way, with hormone replacement therapy, in my opinion, if it improves your quality of life, it's probably going to improve your longevity. Not necessarily because your improvement in quality of life, although that's part of it, but I think it's because it encourages behaviors that tend to contribute to longevity. So what do I mean by that? Well, I've worked with enough people now to know that when they're feeling crappy, and then they go on hormone replacement therapy, and they feel way better, they work out more, they have better eating habits. When people feel crappy, anxious, depressed, low energy, we tend to reach more for the hyper palatable, quick fix foods that make us feel good temporarily. We tend to drink more, we tend to do things more to kind of self medicate.
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Katrina
You're more reserved, you're pulled back, less movement is happening. There's a lot of downstream effects.
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Sal
That's right. So if it improves the quality of your life, which then leads to better behaviors, then I think it does improve longevity because again, we've worked with enough people. People tend to work out more. I mean, I have people that are close to me, both men and women that went on hormone therapy and they're like, oh my God, I'm working out a few days a week. Again, I feel like I can, my diet's on point, I'm motivated. So I'm like, okay, well that alone has got to have a good contributing factor to your longevity. Just doing that.
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Adam
So just to play devil's advocate, because there is a downside or a challenge that I've seen some of my clients that go this direction or that I've had on hormone replacement therapy is sometimes there are things, lifestyle changes that they could be making that could show an improvement and they go the synthetic route. And so then those signals seem to get blunted.
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Sal
For example, like they could fix their sleep first.
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Adam
Right, Exactly. Like there's, there's, there's clients that I've had before that are over trained, overstressed, not sleeping very well. Then they, they go on hormone replacement therapy and of course they feel better.
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Sal
Right.
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Adam
Because a lot of those things that they were doing to their body was suppressing their natural testosterone levels. And so that would be the one, the one thing that I would, would, would warn people that don't have any sort of guidance through that, it would be because, you know, the, the problem with its popularity now too, is everybody.
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Katrina
Straight there without a drink.
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Caller or Guest
Yeah.
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Justin
And everybody and their mother now has.
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Adam
Access to a hormone replacement clinic now. And they're, they're, they're, they're like, it's like medical marijuana today is what medical marijuana was just 15 years ago. They're popping up all over the place. And you don't know who's a great, who's great, who's not. There's a lot of easy, easy access to it. And, and you hear even some young people that are taking it probably well before they even need it. And so the one thing that I would caution is that, you know, there's, there is a lot of lifestyle changes that will give you low testosterone. Like there's you, if you have chronic bad sleep, you chronically over train and under eat, you know, and, or, and don't hit essentials and fats and do things like that. Like, man, this will, this will give you similar symptoms as low testosterone. And, and a lot of times the testosterone could just mask that. And so addressing that, I think, or having somebody who's coaching you through that process, I think is so valuable because if I had a client that we were coaching here and they were like, hey, I'm thinking about going on hormone replacement therapy, we would address those things first to see if I can, I can do that. And then if still he's like, I don't, I'm getting good sleep or I get to bed this time and I'm eating this way. And we've reduced the training from here.
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Justin
And you know, work life, balance is good.
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Adam
And yet I still feel this way. Libido's crashed. I'm still coming back at these numbers. It's like, okay, this, you're a great candidate for this because it's going to be life changing.
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Sal
I'm glad you said that. Natural good hormone profile is better than a synthetic good hormone profile. It's always the better option. Always the better option. And Dr. Lauren Fitz, she said it really good. She goes, yeah, we don't want to throw hormones on a dumpster fire. So. So it's like, if your diet is terrible, you're not exercising, you're lifestyle is unhealthy, and you're gonna just go take a bunch of hormones, not only is it not gonna help you much, but what it actually might do is it might actually be gasoline on a fire. You know, if you're ever, if you're in a pro cancer state or pro heart disease state, and I'm gonna put myself in a high testosterone place or put some growth hormone on myself, it might actually be bad for you. And good hormone specialists know this. I don't. The ones we know are really good. I'm sure there's some that are out there that aren't great. And as evidenced by some of the plastic surgeons that are out there that continue to do plastic surgery on people, you're like, dude, what are you doing, bro? Don't you say something to this person. So I'm sure there's some bad ones out there, but the ones we know, they won't give you hormone replacement therapy unless you're exercising, unless you're eating Right. You know, they're not going to put you on those things because they don't want to make things worse.
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Justin
Did you get. Speaking of.
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Adam
You brought a plastic surgery. Did you see the thread that that conversation started?
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Sal
No.
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Adam
Oh, you didn't see that?
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Justin
Oh, I was actually really.
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Adam
I thought it was thread. You know that conversation we just had last week? Right. Yeah.
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Justin
We talked about the Botox.
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Adam
Yeah.
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Justin
Yeah.
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Adam
And I was. I mean, when we hung up the mics, there's. It doesn't happen all the time because for the most part, I, you know, I don't give a. But this time I was just like.
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Sal
You know, I don't want.
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Adam
I hope I didn't offend or come off as, like, at all. I was judging. I was talking about a real conversation that my wife and I have. That and, and how I feel about it. And. And especially considering that I'm very aware of all the holistic things that you can do for. For skin health and longevity and anti aging and. And I'm pro a lot of that stuff. I'm pro that. And I'm all for trying to do that. And I'm not a big fan of the other. It doesn't mean that I was. And so I wasn't sure how it came off. I don't listen to the podcast anymore. And so I remember when we hung up, I was like, I hope that doesn't like.
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Justin
But that.
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Adam
But a thread started on our Facebook form. It actually started a really good discussion and a lot of great positive feedback on us having that dialog. Matter of fact, a lot of people thanked us for kind of putting out there. There's a lot of people that. That commented that were in their mid-20s and so many of their friends are doing it.
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Sal
Starting.
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Adam
Yeah. And they feel like they should. They should. And they're.
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Justin
They.
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Adam
So they feel crazy. They feel all conflicted because they're the only friend who's not doing the Botox injections and they're 26. And it's just like, whoa, that's crazy. But I mean, that's. Again, that's how it starts. Right? And. And then I brought up a long time ago that. That real thing called perception drift, and you just, you. You don't realize it and you had, oh, just a little bit of this or a little bit of that. And then before long, everybody kind of starts to look the same because they're doing kind of the same strategy with every single person. And so I'm just.
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Katrina
Yeah, they don't really know the other options. Alternatives out there and like just ways to just overall health is going to improve your skin and like all of that's going to kind of resolve itself, like to a certain degree. But I get it because like, yeah, there's a lot of these ladies and a lot of, you know, my wife's friends. It's, it's, it's just like the go to. It's just the things I can solve this. I see something here. I don't like it. I'm just going to solve it, you know, and then not really think about any kind of.
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Adam
Isn't it downstream effects. Isn't it interesting too how both sexes are guilty of this? I mean, we get jacked for other dudes.
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Sal
Yeah.
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Adam
You know, we claim it's in pursuit of women, but women already agreed that it's 12 to 15%.
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Sal
You know what I'm saying?
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Katrina
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Justin
So.
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Adam
And girls are the same way too. I don't think any dudes just like, yeah, I totally love the botoxed out fucking plastic surgery chick. You know what I'm saying? So they're obviously doing it for chicks too. It's like both sexes are guilty. And isn't that, Isn't that kind of.
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Katrina
I just deny that until I would walk in to like school or something. And like, I just, I want to be the jack dad dude. I, I want, I want to dominate.
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Sal
Yeah. I can't help the dads. You want to know?
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Adam
Yeah, yeah. It's not the moms.
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Justin
I'm not, I care about the mom.
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Adam
Isn't that the, Isn't that funny though? Is that, isn't that, is that.
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Sal
Is.
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Adam
It's, it's funny that we, we. I think both sexes claim that they do it for this. It's like, no, it's really, it's.
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Sal
Well, that's what you figure out as a dude. You start working out and you start building muscle and dudes start coming on you. Yeah, guys, you know, it's, it's. There's not a lot from an appearance standpoint that being fit and healthy won't fix. I mean, right.
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Katrina
Yeah.
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Sal
Just because. Standard, really. Just because I've worked in gyms for so long. You know, you'll run into people who are in their 60s and 70s who are really fit and healthy, who've been doing it for a long time. And I mean genuinely, I don't mean like fake fit and healthy, but people who are like men and women who are like, oh no, I've been living this lifestyle forever. I love working out. They eat healthy and you can see. And I remember I brought this up before. There's this woman once. This is when I was in my. I must have been 20. There was this woman once that was working out, full gray hair, and she was older and she was working out. She would come in all the time. And I remember I was like, man, I want to say something to her. She looks amazing. So I went up to her and I introduced myself and she was in. I don't remember how. She was in her 60s and she had wrinkles. I mean, she looked like a 60 year old when you really look closely. But she was so fit and healthy and vibrant. She was attractive. I remember thinking, this is a 20 year old. Like, oh my God, she's a. She's an attractive woman. Yeah. And look, when you get. If you're fit, as you get older, it's the first thing you want to tell somebody is how old you are. That never happens in real life. You talk to a fit person in their 50s, 60s, 70s, they'll try to insert their age in some way. Oh, by the way, you know, I'm 70.
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Katrina
Yeah.
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Sal
And just kind of blow your mind. So it's not a lot that fitness and health camp fixed. I think we just try to band aid it with other things. But if you just exercise and kind of eat right and, you know, it really takes care of a lot of that.
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Adam
Yeah.
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Sal
You know, you brought up this. You said about men and women. Dude, I got, I got a study for you guys. Dude, controversial snap. But I think, I think, I don't think it's surprising. So there was a study, and there was a 2025 College Free Speech Ranking survey of over 59,000 US college students.
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Adam
It's a lot of.
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Sal
Okay. Male students demonstrated greater tolerance for political enemies than women showed for their allies.
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Adam
So in other words, wait, so they're.
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Katrina
On like their team?
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Sal
Yeah.
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Katrina
And they're less acceptable.
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Adam
Okay, wait, wait. Explain how they did this. What was the survey? How are the questions? Do you have any idea?
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Sal
Did they. Greater tolerance for allowing campus speakers with opposing political views than female students did for speakers aligned with their own ideal?
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Adam
That makes no sense.
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Sal
Think about it.
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Adam
I am.
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Sal
Think about it.
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Justin
I'm trying to.
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Sal
What do women always say? What do women always say? Well, I'll tell you. Here's. I'll tell you another study. When men and women are surveyed, would you prefer to have a male or female boss? Women, more than men, would rather have a male boss. That's what the studies show.
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Adam
So this points to you that's something else though, dude. That's a male fantasy thing than most.
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Sal
I don't be like that though.
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Adam
That's what that is.
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Sal
That's what you think. Adam has to go there. No. So it says that. That men are three and a half times more likely than women to be perfectly tolerant, willing to allow any speaker, regardless of disagreement.
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Adam
Okay.
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Sal
Than women are for even people with the same ideology.
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Adam
Yeah, but that doesn't make sense to me. Why, if they agree with them, why they're.
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Sal
They'd be, they, they may disagree on something else.
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Katrina
Like they're still looking for something.
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Sal
Well, what it points to is like there's research that shows this, that just how you ask a woman and she'll tell you, oh, women are way. Okay, so I'm way harder on, on each other. Yeah.
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Justin
Well that's also there there.
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Adam
We had that great discussion with Adam Lane Smith and we talk about CEO and CEO and one of the strengths that a woman has is her ability to like poke holes in the plan like or into like and do that. And so that's also highlighting the strength of their abilities is that they are built in a way to like be skeptical is to question, to poke holes, to do those things like that. So what that, that's also highlighting that.
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Sal
I don't know if it points to that as much as there's other data that shows how.
- [26:00]
Justin
Well, it all depends on how you.
- [26:01]
Adam
Want to read into it.
- [26:02]
Sal
Right.
- [26:02]
Adam
Well if you, if you read into it, you can definitely read into more.
- [26:05]
Katrina
Of a jealousy thing is that it's alluding to.
- [26:07]
Sal
Well, so there's studies on this on how men compete and how women compete. So there are studies on competition. Men, when they compete with each other, it's very open head on. We're going to compete, we're going to see wins or we're going to fight or we're going to do this. When women compete with each other, it's very behind the scenes is what the data shows. Yeah. And so there is distrust and competition behind the scenes versus, you know, like, you look at like boys. I was just talking about this with my wife. We were driving and we stopped the stoplight, had the window open and there's these four boys hanging out and they're like, hey, Mark, what are we gonna do? Yeah, Mark, where are we going? We're going. And I'm like, you'll notice this with boys immediately, they elect the leader and they follow and they go.
- [26:45]
Adam
Yeah.
- [26:45]
Sal
Whereas women, it's more of a consensus. It's behind.
- [26:49]
Adam
Do you Also think that's partly because that's not, that's not a natural, natural thing for them. It's not natural. Like with a bunch of dudes that were naturally meant to lead, one of the guys is going to step forward and do it. Then the rest of us fall in line where maybe with the women it's just like, oh, I'm not sure who is. You know what I'm saying?
- [27:06]
Sal
Like, so, so. So in the competitive studies, again, they show it's behind the scenes. It's very much like, we're going to talk, we're making consensus. I'm going to build an alliance over here. Me, you and you. Let's decide that we're not going to. We're going to do this and we won't tell her, but we're going to work behind the scenes to figure that out. Whereas dudes are like straight up, head up, head on.
- [27:25]
Adam
Yeah.
- [27:25]
Sal
And so this is kind of what it's pointing to. But I think in this study was flying all over social media because, of course, people are poking fun at each other with it.
- [27:34]
Adam
Well, since we're going down this sexist direction.
- [27:38]
Sal
Yeah.
- [27:38]
Adam
We're going to get any time we're roasted for this conversation. We may as well go all the way. We may as well go all the way in. Since I heard something that I thought was. I heard something that I thought was.
- [27:48]
Justin
An interesting hot take that I thought.
- [27:51]
Adam
Was just made me go like, oh, that's there something that is not talked about on social media that I think we are watching unfold. And maybe there's. Maybe there are some studies that you can connect these dots to or you'll find this interesting. That I thought was an interesting point is that never in history have you had a time where women can put themselves out there in a risque way half naked or all the way naked and get all kinds of admiration and love and. And likes and all the stuff and attention without any risk of danger.
- [28:26]
Sal
Oh, I see. And say it's safe.
- [28:29]
Adam
Safe.
- [28:29]
Sal
Yeah.
- [28:30]
Adam
And because of that, it's changing society and culture and the dynamic of. Because in the. Think about that for a second. Just not even 100 years ago, but not. But 50 years ago, if you were to put yourself in front of a thousand men half naked, you would never do that because of the simple fact that the chances are in a thousand dudes, there's going to be probably a couple in there that you can't trust and are dangerous or which, by the.
- [28:56]
Sal
Way, to be clear, it's still dangerous. It's just safer. Yeah. Still dangerous.
- [29:00]
Katrina
Also, it depends where you are in the world.
- [29:03]
Sal
Oh, big time.
- [29:04]
Adam
Well, yes, but it only holds true. But no one's really talking about that as like, how that's really starting to shift culture and that dynamic. And I thought that was an interesting.
- [29:12]
Justin
Point that I heard.
- [29:12]
Adam
And I thought. Oh, I've never really thought about it from that angle and how that's probably not a good thing at all. Because that had a nat. It had a natural limiter there for that reason.
- [29:23]
Justin
Right.
- [29:23]
Adam
Like that if you were to do that in society.
- [29:25]
Sal
Good. That it's safer. That's for sure. Yeah. Well, but now we're looking at what.
- [29:28]
Justin
Well, then what.
- [29:29]
Adam
What it pushes. But then you push boundaries because of that.
- [29:31]
Sal
Right.
- [29:31]
Adam
Because now that there's this.
- [29:33]
Sal
This.
- [29:33]
Katrina
Well, yeah, you see that. Like, if you look at the ones that are most successful, it's these. Well, I. I've seen this all over. Like, Chris Williamson, a bunch of people have interviewed this lady, Bonnie Blue, or I guess her name is whatever that's left.
- [29:46]
Sal
With a bunch.
- [29:46]
Katrina
Yeah, with a bunch of guys. Like thousands of guys or whatever.
- [29:50]
Adam
They interviewed her. Oh, I didn't know that.
- [29:52]
Katrina
Yeah. And so it's because she's very bold and very, like, outspoken about, you know, being empowered to do these types of things, but.
- [30:00]
Sal
Empowered.
- [30:02]
Katrina
Yeah. But you see this because it's. It's now safer. Like, there's a lot of volume in terms of your options. And so now it's like, where did all the eyes attention go? To the more risky. Like, I'm doing this in public. Like, again, I don't know a whole lot about this story, but I guess recently the national championship just happened.
- [30:23]
Justin
Yes. Oh, tell me about this story. I saw it going around.
- [30:26]
Adam
It's going viral right now.
- [30:27]
Katrina
Yeah, it was this girl. It's like a porn star that they panned over to from. And she was from Miami, like, on the sidelines. And like everybody, I guess people recognized her for her body of work. And.
- [30:46]
Adam
That was so politically correct.
- [30:48]
Katrina
Yeah, I'm trying to work on that. Describe these things.
- [30:52]
Adam
That's really good.
- [30:53]
Katrina
But yeah, so she. And I don't even know what the heat is. I think it's from, like, just because it's national television and like families, like.
- [31:00]
Justin
Yeah.
- [31:00]
Katrina
And so there was a lot of chatter of, like, why are you, you know, highlighting.
- [31:05]
Justin
So did the. Okay.
- [31:06]
Adam
Sorry to interrupt you, but I'm so curious because I just came in my feed. I need to know. I saw so maybe Doug can start.
- [31:11]
Justin
Looking it up so that the championship Indiana and Miami college football game. And the producer and the announce panned over to her, and so I just caught it.
- [31:21]
Adam
It's all over the news. And so I didn't get a chance, like, read into it, but I'm like, what is this? Why is everyone making such a big.
- [31:26]
Justin
Deal about the girl?
- [31:27]
Adam
I didn't know who she was.
- [31:28]
Sal
Yeah.
- [31:28]
Adam
So I didn't. And I couldn't figure out why people were making captions like, oh, producer and. And cameraman are gonna go to jail or something. I'm like, what? What? And obviously she naked or something.
- [31:39]
Justin
No, no, no.
- [31:40]
Katrina
She wasn't even.
- [31:40]
Adam
She was just in this because they.
- [31:42]
Sal
Just didn't want her on.
- [31:43]
Adam
But what I'm wondering is, did the announcer. The announcer must have come.
- [31:47]
Katrina
Yeah, they must have comment. I didn't catch that part of it.
- [31:50]
Justin
Are you looking it up, Doug?
- [31:52]
Sal
Yeah.
- [31:52]
Caller or Guest
This actress is a Bella Danger. And so during the game, Miami and Texas A. M, the cameras caught her in the stands, leading to massive social media, media reaction.
- [32:05]
Sal
I think it's funny that everybody recognized her in the first place.
- [32:07]
Katrina
Yeah, yeah.
- [32:08]
Caller or Guest
That's the funny part.
- [32:08]
Justin
Well, so that's what I didn't know was, did everyone recognize her or did.
- [32:11]
Adam
The announcer say something?
- [32:13]
Sal
Oh, I don't know.
- [32:13]
Adam
That's what I. That's what I don't. That's what I don't know.
- [32:16]
Sal
Right.
- [32:16]
Adam
Because I saw clips of them saying that, you know, the cameraman, the announcer are the ones that are in trouble because they obviously knew what they were doing by panic.
- [32:22]
Katrina
Cameraman for sure knew. Like.
- [32:24]
Adam
Well, they have to, because. Okay, they do this. This is. We've seen this forever in boxing fights, in UFC forever. What do they always do?
- [32:30]
Katrina
They pick the celebrities.
- [32:32]
Adam
They always pick the celebrities. And the cameraman goes over to. So it's not. To me, it's not that weird. It's. But it's obviously because of what she does. It's become controversial because.
- [32:41]
Katrina
But it seems like the only reason I bring that up was because of that fact of, like. Well, I don't know how acceptable, you know, it is in terms of culture right now. Like, it might be shifting the.
- [32:53]
Sal
The whole porn.
- [32:54]
Adam
Well, the fact that they highlight it is. Is this her?
- [32:58]
Caller or Guest
Yeah, I guess so.
- [32:59]
Sal
Okay. I mean, she's just dressed normal.
- [33:02]
Caller or Guest
Don't recognize her?
- [33:03]
Sal
Yeah, well, no, I don't, but.
- [33:04]
Adam
Well, the moan, the one that was. That Justin, does that look like that's her?
- [33:07]
Katrina
No.
- [33:08]
Adam
No. Yeah, I think her. I think you're the wrong one.
- [33:10]
Justin
The wrong one.
- [33:10]
Sal
Okay. Yeah.
- [33:11]
Katrina
Miami versus Indiana.
- [33:13]
Adam
Yeah.
- [33:14]
Sal
That's the game. No, that's the game. Her name is.
- [33:16]
Caller or Guest
Right.
- [33:16]
Texas A and M. Yeah.
- [33:17]
Katrina
No, that's not Texas A and M. Indian.
- [33:19]
Caller or Guest
Okay, well, maybe I have the wrong.
- [33:21]
Sal
It says fans lose their mind as ESPN shows.
- [33:24]
Katrina
All right, so this has happened before then.
- [33:26]
Sal
Oh, really?
- [33:27]
Justin
Has it?
- [33:28]
Katrina
Yes, I'm trying to find it right now before games.
- [33:30]
Sal
Well, that's interesting. You know, you mentioned, Adam, you said earlier how there's like, the checks and balances. Yeah, I think that's true for so many things. Like. Like there was a check for a long time. If you went out in public and you said something really messed up or you harassed somebody or you, you know, you made a comment that was. What a jerk.
- [33:52]
Adam
Yeah.
- [33:53]
Sal
There was a risk of getting punched.
- [33:55]
Adam
Yeah.
- [33:55]
Sal
Okay.
- [33:56]
Adam
Yeah.
- [33:56]
Sal
Now is it good that you get punched? No. But now that there's no risk of that because of social media. Yeah. The narcissist types can now just. Just become popular because their takes are so controversial. And so, whatever. Nobody's checking them like you would in the real world. And so they can go out and just say, well, remember. And so that's created this weird situation where the ones getting fame and attention are the ones who in the real world would not get that kind of.
- [34:27]
Adam
Because they couldn't.
- [34:28]
Justin
They couldn't.
- [34:29]
Adam
They couldn't.
- [34:29]
Sal
They couldn't.
- [34:30]
Justin
Yeah.
- [34:30]
Sal
It's like, you know, I see sometimes these dudes that'll make these, like, these real popular dudes that make these posts. Like, you know what that guy is? That's the guy in the group that at first you're kind of like, oh, he's funny. And then afterwards, all the guys look at each other, go, we don't like this guy. He's a weasel.
- [34:45]
Adam
Well, look at what's been on social media. Famous virgin, anti Semitic guy right now.
- [34:50]
Justin
What's his name?
- [34:51]
Adam
Oh, yeah, yeah. That's an example right there.
- [34:54]
Sal
Exactly.
- [34:54]
Adam
That dude would never get a platform.
- [34:55]
Sal
No, no.
- [34:56]
Adam
You get beat up in the group.
- [34:57]
Justin
No.
- [34:58]
Katrina
Weird that he's so popular and.
- [34:59]
Justin
Well, because he's propagating.
- [35:01]
Adam
Because. Well, maybe that.
- [35:02]
Justin
Or he's. He's. Or he's. He's.
- [35:04]
Adam
He's attracting more kids that are. That are like that. Yeah, but you're right, because, you know.
- [35:09]
Sal
It'S a good point.
- [35:10]
Adam
That was the best. That was the of. Of the conversation that we had with Jordan Peterson. That was my favorite part or take that he brought up, because at that point, this was right when Elon was taking over Twitter and there was this hope that Elon was going to go in and save Twitter and make it this better place. And I remember asking him that question and his response, I don't think we can. Yeah. And it blew me away because I had not thought about it from that perspective of the way the algorithm works is rewards.
- [35:40]
Sal
It rewards terrible stuff.
- [35:41]
Adam
The crazy, outlandish, most extreme things. The dysfunctional people that in a real society would never tolerate in a real world where we were all in a room or area. The thing that goes most viral or everybody's talking about is not that that person would not be able to do that.
- [36:01]
Sal
Well, there's also this myth in real life. There was this myth for a long time that, you know, strong, powerful, aggressive bullies, if we got them out of the way, then everybody would be better because we assume that the weak, scared, you know, whatever, frail guys would never be bullies if given power. We would now see a lot of them have become powerful. A lot of them have developed, become billionaires or millionaires because of tech and all that stuff. And guess what? They're. They're just as bad, if not worse.
- [36:30]
Katrina
Yeah.
- [36:31]
Sal
Because their power is much more far reaching.
- [36:33]
Adam
Yeah.
- [36:33]
Sal
So it's like, you know, I think human behavior is just human behavior.
- [36:38]
Caller or Guest
Yeah.
- [36:38]
Sal
But you're right. Those, those, those checks and balances, you know, back to like the, the scantily, you know, you know, dressing, scantling, all that stuff. For most. I mean, for a lot of human history, it was women that check. Women. It wasn't, you know, we look at men as the ones checking, but women really checked each other a lot because it was competitive. If you're gonna dress that way, you're gonna attract my husband or whatever. And so they would check each other quite a bit over that kind of stuff.
- [37:06]
Justin
I mean, all.
- [37:06]
Adam
I mean, same things. I mean, for danger, for danger of that. There's a different type of danger.
- [37:11]
Sal
No, no, it's competition.
- [37:13]
Adam
Well, I mean, okay, you think competition or like the danger of losing and wrecking your. Your nuclear family, you know?
- [37:18]
Sal
Oh, I see what you're saying. In danger, like physical danger.
- [37:21]
Adam
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, Yeah. I mean, like, it's causing potential danger to society. It's like you're going to impact potentially my nuclear family, which we cared so much about 50 years ago, saying that we don't seem to care as much about Anyway.
- [37:33]
Sal
I got it. I got to want to talk about the new meal replacement shakes that we got.
- [37:37]
Adam
Oh, how do you like them?
- [37:38]
Sal
They're delicious. They're delicious.
- [37:40]
Adam
And your tummy.
- [37:41]
Justin
Yeah. Your tummy can handle fine.
- [37:42]
Sal
Yeah. So. Well, is. Is the company. This is chocolate.
- [37:45]
Adam
Is that you say it.
- [37:46]
Sal
Well, I think so. I'm going to. Is that I always said. Huel, Huel. Sorry. Why don't I make.
- [37:54]
Katrina
Fuel?
- [37:54]
Justin
Why do you make my protein powder?
- [37:56]
Adam
Racist, bro.
- [37:58]
Sal
Hey, I was looking at Adam when.
- [37:59]
Adam
I said why you look at me while you do.
- [38:03]
Sal
It's. That's hilarious. It's delicious. So it's. It's vegan protein. So it's. Yeah, macros are really good. So this whole bottle is 400 calories. So it's like a me meal. 18 grams of fat, 28, 29 grams of carbs, 35 grams of protein.
- [38:24]
Adam
Oh, 35 grams of protein.
- [38:25]
Sal
And the protein sources that they use are really high quality. So in vegan sources, pea protein, which is one of the main sources, is the highest in essential amino acids.
- [38:34]
Adam
Now be honest, because we know how hard it is to make a vegan protein shake.
- [38:38]
Sal
It tastes really good. Really? Yeah, it's really good.
- [38:40]
Adam
Oh, you make me want to try it.
- [38:41]
Sal
It's actually really, really good. Really? Yeah, it doesn't taste like a lot.
- [38:44]
Adam
I love, I love that they're ready to drink. I'm like.
- [38:47]
Sal
So I like ready to drink protein shakes. Yeah, it's. It's a super convenient. You know, put it in your fridge and you're. And you're set.
- [38:53]
Adam
Says the rich guy.
- [38:54]
Sal
You know, all right, dude, the guy.
- [38:59]
Adam
Spends all his money, all his money on my Ferraris. You spend all your, all your money on supplements and shakes and bars.
- [39:06]
Sal
No, hu.
- [39:06]
Justin
Is a.
- [39:06]
Sal
It's a, it's a really good company, really good ingredients. You know, it's got Omega 6s, Omega 3s. It's got lots of nutrients, so it's not like a crappy. You know, a lot of times you see replacement shake, especially ready to drink.
- [39:18]
Justin
Yeah.
- [39:18]
Sal
And they're basically just like trying to make it taste good. Yeah.
- [39:21]
Justin
Yeah.
- [39:21]
Sal
But this is all of it.
- [39:22]
Justin
Well, I can't.
- [39:23]
Adam
They get a line of all kinds of stuff, so. And I know that our fridge is stocked now that they're working with us, so I'm curious to try. I see them all over the place. They have like exploded in the last, just the last year. I remember when they first reached out, but they didn't have the ready to drink yet.
- [39:36]
Sal
It's because they taste good. I mean, the truth is, when it comes to meal replacement or protein. Yes. You want quality, one of those things. That's what we'll talk about. We won't Partner with anyone unless it's quality. But for it to be popular, it has to taste good. People just won't have a shit.
- [39:49]
Adam
I feel like you're making Mara.
- [39:51]
Sal
It's true. Now I know I'll drink anything. Yeah, I'll blend up tuna fish.
- [39:55]
Justin
That's right.
- [39:56]
Adam
That's why the real test will be when Justin and I taste it.
- [39:58]
Justin
I feel like. Because I'm like.
- [39:59]
Sal
Sal is like, yeah, you guys take it.
- [40:02]
Adam
You eat sardines. You're both putting sardines in a can.
- [40:05]
Sal
I'm trying to think who's more picky between the two. Justin.
- [40:07]
Adam
Justin's more.
- [40:08]
Sal
Way more picky.
- [40:08]
Justin
Way more picky.
- [40:10]
Sal
I was gonna say you, but I'm.
- [40:11]
Katrina
Like, what am I the go to?
- [40:12]
Adam
Yeah, you're talking to the chicken nugget guy.
- [40:19]
Katrina
More chicken nuggets, dude, please. You guys are chicken nugget.
- [40:25]
Sal
Denial. That's fine.
- [40:28]
Katrina
Hey, I own it.
- [40:29]
Adam
I. I have. I have a question for you, since we're on a topic of supplements. And so that's. So first of all, one, I didn't know that this parasite cleanse you got me on is like a. Like a gray market thing until I. People started asking me about it, and I realized that I'm not supposed to.
- [40:46]
Sal
Wait, I told you that, too. I don't remember. Did you tell me it was gray market?
- [40:50]
Caller or Guest
I don't know.
- [40:50]
Sal
I don't remember. I don't remember.
- [40:52]
Adam
I just trust this guy so much when he just tells me to take.
- [40:55]
Sal
Something and then I get. Then I get people asking, yeah, it's great market, dude.
- [40:59]
Adam
Yeah, I didn't know that.
- [41:00]
Sal
So ivermectin is part of it. You can get that.
- [41:03]
Adam
Oh, there's ivermectin.
- [41:04]
Sal
Ivermectin's in it.
- [41:05]
Adam
Okay.
- [41:05]
Sal
And then fenbend is the other one. And that's typically used with animals, but in other countries, people use. Humans use it all the time. It's been around for a long time, and it kills every parasite. And so when you buy it, it's kind of like gray. Gray market. Yeah.
- [41:21]
Adam
Because people are comment now asking.
- [41:23]
Sal
I don't recommend. I can't recommend.
- [41:24]
Justin
You can't recommend? No, we can't. And I didn't either. Thank God I didn't.
- [41:27]
Adam
There's all kinds of crazy because I saw like, you know, functional medicine, doctors commenting under people asking me going, like, you should probably consult your doctor before it. And I'm like, I didn't know I was taking something.
- [41:40]
Sal
Great market. I had no idea. I just.
- [41:43]
Justin
But the Reason.
- [41:43]
Adam
The reason why I'm asking that. So the ribs.
- [41:46]
Sal
One.
- [41:46]
Adam
To bring that up, just to make that clear, by the way, have you.
- [41:48]
Sal
Noticed any improvement, any symptoms or anything.
- [41:50]
Adam
Like that, you know? Okay, yes, but I. Can I draw it back to that? It's hard to say, Sal, because you've got me on so many supplements that I've never in my life have I taken consistently. I have, and I'm on my diet, and I'm training really good, and I'm coming. I'm on my second. Finally two months recovered now, and so. And I'm still not a hundred. I'd say I'm like 85. 90.
- [42:13]
Sal
Nice, dude.
- [42:14]
Adam
So, yeah, I had an 84 sleep score, so I'm sorry.
- [42:16]
Justin
I'm starting to see 80.
- [42:17]
Sal
Are you using the epitalone?
- [42:18]
Adam
So, yeah.
- [42:19]
Sal
Did that help? Asleep?
- [42:20]
Adam
I mean, again, I mean, you like. You like to look for smoking guns. I'm more like. I'm doing all the things.
- [42:25]
Sal
I'm the kitchen scene.
- [42:26]
Adam
Yeah, I will.
- [42:27]
Justin
I'm doing all the things.
- [42:28]
Adam
And so I think a lot of what I feel is a lot of.
- [42:31]
Sal
Everything that I'm doing.
- [42:32]
Adam
Again, main point of bringing all this up is to bring up one of our other partners and ask you that this. This gray market thing that I'm taking, does it conflict with me taking seed?
- [42:42]
Sal
No. No. Keep taking your probiotic. Oh.
- [42:45]
Adam
Because I stopped because I was worried. I thought. I thought you're fine. Okay.
- [42:48]
Sal
Okay.
- [42:49]
Adam
Would that be a good thing for me to be doing it more? Okay.
- [42:52]
Sal
Okay.
- [42:52]
Adam
Well, good to know, because I had Katrina and I pause that until.
- [42:55]
Sal
No, it doesn't.
- [42:56]
Adam
It will have no effect as the saga goes on. You know, Katrina's now taking it because we didn't know. We didn't know about that.
- [43:04]
Sal
I feel like he was Doug.
- [43:05]
Adam
I feel like he was really, like, gray. Like, here, take this. You'll be fine. You know, that was like the.
- [43:09]
Sal
The vitamin C. Doug's taking it. I've done it.
- [43:12]
Adam
Okay.
- [43:13]
Sal
Yeah.
- [43:14]
Adam
Did you notice?
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Caller or Guest
I didn't notice anything, really.
- [43:16]
Adam
Okay. So I feel good, but it could be a lot of things right now.
- [43:20]
Sal
So it fixed my. Dude, it fixed my gut, bro. It fixed my.
- [43:24]
Justin
I mean, the thing that I'm paying attention to the most dirty. You know, it sold me.
- [43:27]
Adam
You know what? What sold me?
- [43:29]
Justin
I told you guys.
- [43:29]
Adam
What sold me was I started reading up on the correlation between parasites and psoriasis, and over 50% of people who have psoriasis also suffer from a psoriasis.
- [43:43]
Sal
Getting better.
- [43:44]
Adam
It. Well, again. Yes. Right now it is, you know, although I did notice at first it was a little bad, but that would. It also says on the parasite thing that you might notice symptoms get worse.
- [43:54]
Sal
Called the Herxheimer effect. So yeah, you get die off. You'll feel like. Some people feel like garbage at first.
- [43:59]
Adam
So this is what makes me think that it might be working is because I did the first week I had these kind of mild headaches every day. My psoriasis did feel pretty bad and I actually. Those are dissipating or gone away. And my psoriasis looks like it's starting.
- [44:12]
Justin
To get better right now.
- [44:13]
Adam
So again, awesome.
- [44:14]
Sal
I'm doing all this. Take your probiotic, take seed, no matter what.
- [44:19]
Adam
Same dose, everything the same look.
- [44:22]
Sal
I'll even tell you to take a probiotic. When you take an antibiotic. Some people say it's a waste of time, but I think if you space them, it's not going to populate your gut. But I think it's good to even have good bacteria in there, even if it's for a moment.
- [44:33]
Adam
Okay, so that's why afterwards.
- [44:35]
Sal
Yeah.
- [44:36]
Katrina
So you do it during.
- [44:37]
Sal
I still do it during. If I take an antibiotic at the a.m. i'll take the. Probably mainly to offset any overgrowth of. Of other things because you can get overgrowth of fungus and things that antibiotics don't touch. Yeah. And probiotic, even if it's in there temporarily or transiently, it helps.
- [44:53]
Adam
Okay, well, that excites me because I. I thought I would. I. Exactly what you just described is what I thought I was wasting. I thought I was way. I don't want to waste.
- [44:59]
Justin
No, dude.
- [45:00]
Sal
I'm excited that we got it here finally because we went. I've been without seed now for a few weeks because they didn't send us any, which makes me angry. Seed, you guys. Thank you. I think they're here now. I think they said makes me so mad. So I went.
- [45:13]
Adam
Nothing like threaten them on their commercials.
- [45:15]
Sal
I bought.
- [45:16]
Justin
Yeah.
- [45:17]
Sal
So I bought some. I had to go buy some myself. And what a difference. Yeah, Huge difference. It's like. Oh man, I noticed a huge difference in my digestion. Yeah. Inflammation with it. Huge.
- [45:27]
Adam
Yeah.
- [45:27]
Sal
Anyway. Anyway, I was reading an article, side note on something.
- [45:32]
Adam
Have you guys heard something less sexist?
- [45:33]
Sal
Yes. Since we covered all. It wasn't. It was a study, dude.
- [45:38]
Katrina
I had another thing I was going to bring up.
- [45:39]
Sal
I'm not going to bring. Why did you just pour it already.
- [45:42]
Adam
Getting lit on this. You may as well go all in. I'd rather that than you Put it on another episode.
- [45:45]
Justin
Okay, fine.
- [45:50]
Sal
I've been mean to talk about this.
- [45:51]
Justin
Please get it out now. We're already.
- [45:53]
Sal
We're already on fire right now.
- [45:55]
Katrina
You know, you guys know my track record of like watching cult shows. And like, you know, on Cult Watch, there's one I didn't realize. And this. This has been out for a bit on Netflix. It's called Orgasm Inc. But.
- [46:10]
Adam
Hey, that didn't get recommended to me.
- [46:11]
Katrina
Hey, it's a cult and it was run by women. And dude in what did they do? It was.
- [46:19]
Caller or Guest
So they started a Bella danger.
- [46:22]
Katrina
I mean, maybe she was part of it, but yeah. Yeah. Now everybody's gonna Google her. Way to go.
- [46:30]
Justin
Yeah.
- [46:30]
Sal
So when he was younger. Oh, I used to watch Bathsheba on the rooftop. She was great.
- [46:41]
Katrina
What she did.
- [46:43]
Adam
Anyways, so Orgasm Inc. Is. Yeah. So they.
- [46:46]
Katrina
They got popularity. I think this was a few years back. And I mean the whole message of it was like, to get women to just come as. Get an orgasm. Like they. They were like highlighting this whole technique and like, so they would, of course guys like, you know, sign up for this too. And like, they come. They're basically like, showed some finger technique and they're doing all this stuff and it's getting all graphic.
- [47:11]
Adam
Do it with your hand row.
- [47:12]
Sal
I don't want to do that.
- [47:15]
Katrina
You're not going to give me.
- [47:16]
Adam
Come on, dude, just show. Now let's give you an example.
- [47:18]
Katrina
It's so funny because it's like it was in San Francisco and it's like right in our backyard.
- [47:23]
Sal
Of course.
- [47:23]
Katrina
And some of these guys are something else. Like, you should see what they look like. But so they're there doing the thing and you know, this is all about. So they're not getting their orgasm, but they're providing it for women. It's a safe thing that they created. Whatever it turns into like she has a TED talk that like explodes and it's like all about like, you know, most women don't ever like actually have an orgasm. And so. And here's like now how was the benefit?
- [47:52]
Sal
Was it like you achieve spiritual something?
- [47:55]
Katrina
Yes, they started to turn it into.
- [47:56]
Adam
That almost always through a sexual.
- [47:58]
Justin
Yeah.
- [47:58]
Katrina
So with sex. And you know, and I was like, okay, I've seen this before, but. But I've seen it with women, like really guy directing and it. The lady that was like in charge of this whole thing, you start like getting further along, getting to her backstory. And it's like, it's so dark. Like her whole thing was like, she. You Know, was molested, rape. And then she gets over this by being like, you know, like, I. Basically, she's.
- [48:26]
Justin
She's.
- [48:27]
Katrina
It has no weight or power over her.
- [48:29]
Adam
So.
- [48:30]
Sal
So they're hyper promiscuity.
- [48:31]
Katrina
So therefore. Yeah. So hyper promiscuity. But turns into, like, some of her followers that are going through all this. Like, now she's including men in. In the mix, and they're complaining because they, you know, they're uncomfortable with it.
- [48:44]
Sal
It's.
- [48:45]
Katrina
So there's, like, rapes happening, and she's, like, encouraging it, like, well, it has no power over you kind of a thing. And I was just like, oh, my God, this is dark. You know, like, especially coming from, like, women. Like, it just seems so. Like, so much worse. But anyways, I was like, I didn't. I.
- [49:03]
Sal
If you.
- [49:04]
Katrina
If it's always a man at the top. I was like, this is surprising to me.
- [49:07]
Sal
If you're ever in a spiritual.
- [49:08]
Caller or Guest
Yeah.
- [49:08]
Adam
What is the percentage of female cult leaders?
- [49:10]
Sal
It's gotta be very small.
- [49:11]
Katrina
Like, very, very, very small.
- [49:13]
Sal
Right? It's always dudes. Yeah. I mean, at least the ones.
- [49:18]
Adam
Justin found the.
- [49:19]
Katrina
I was, like, taking notes on the techn.
- [49:25]
Justin
I know, I know.
- [49:25]
Adam
Data guy over here in the study. Guy knows this.
- [49:27]
Justin
What's the. What is the.
- [49:29]
Adam
What is it, dog?
- [49:29]
Sal
You got it.
- [49:30]
Caller or Guest
They don't have an exact number here.
- [49:32]
Adam
What?
- [49:33]
Caller or Guest
But much less common than male. They don't give me a percentage.
- [49:37]
Sal
Okay.
- [49:38]
Caller or Guest
I. I asked for a percentage, and they did not give me one.
- [49:40]
Adam
You what? What is chat.
- [49:42]
Katrina
Gbt?
- [49:43]
Adam
What? Justin said I had heard this before. I don't know the. The number, but there is a high percentage of. Of women that have actually never really orgasm from sex.
- [49:52]
Justin
Yes, you do.
- [49:53]
Sal
I don't know. Why would I know that?
- [49:54]
Katrina
I noticed you're looking up every other stat but that I've never looked at.
- [49:59]
Sal
I know he's playing dumb right now. He's trying to stay out of trouble right now.
- [50:04]
Adam
What his life was. I have no idea.
- [50:06]
Sal
I've never looked that up. It could be 17.7. I know.
- [50:10]
Adam
I'm batting 97.
- [50:12]
Sal
Stupid. Stupid.
- [50:15]
Justin
What is that? Doug, can you.
- [50:16]
Sal
What percentage of women have never. Never orgasm? Let's look at it like, Doug loves the searches.
- [50:20]
Katrina
Yeah.
- [50:22]
Adam
Great history going on here.
- [50:23]
Sal
If you're in a spiritual movement that involves sex, it's always a cult. I feel like that's always 100 times.
- [50:29]
Adam
I mean, that's like a dead giveaway.
- [50:30]
Sal
That's a dead giveaway. You know what I mean? You're like, oh, my God, honey, this is just to sleep with the leader. Everybody's so nice here. You know, on the first day, everybody give each other blowjobs.
- [50:37]
Katrina
Nothing about family or any of the. Anything else, like, relationship wise.
- [50:42]
Caller or Guest
I don't know if this is correct or not. It says 10 to 15% have never experienced an orgasm. However, higher percentages, up to 50% report difficulty.
- [50:53]
Sal
Do you guys want to hear something crazy?
- [50:54]
Adam
Is it loud?
- [50:55]
Sal
I just remember. No, I just remembered something. Okay. I'll be careful how I talk. I want to reveal who this was, but somebody I knew.
- [51:01]
Adam
Doug.
- [51:04]
Caller or Guest
Adam.
- [51:05]
Katrina
Come on.
- [51:06]
Sal
It's supposed to be anonymous.
- [51:09]
Adam
Safe place, safe space.
- [51:12]
Sal
We'll say his name is Jug. No, no. Somebody I knew a while ago. A guy. Okay. He had an issue. He was a friend of mine. He had an issue where when he would orgasm, he didn't feel anything. Like, it would get up to the point, then he would orgasm, and it just became a physical thing and he felt nothing. So it caused issues. He had issues in his marriage. All this stuff happened. He hired a. An. I don't know what they call a sex therapist or expert. And she. I'm not making this up. This is a real. This was a real therapist.
- [51:44]
Adam
Okay.
- [51:44]
Sal
Okay. She would.
- [51:47]
Katrina
She applied technique.
- [51:48]
Sal
She would. She would. Yeah. She would, through therapy and then through manual stimulation, get him to orgasm and slowly would help him, like, feel.
- [51:57]
Adam
Was there some sort of obviously trauma attached to that when he was young?
- [52:00]
Sal
No.
- [52:00]
Adam
Oh, really?
- [52:01]
Sal
He's like. I would talk because we were friends.
- [52:03]
Justin
Yeah.
- [52:03]
Sal
Yeah. So I don't want to say he's.
- [52:04]
Katrina
In a relationship with somebody else.
- [52:06]
Sal
He was married, getting. Going through divorce, and, you know, we would talk about this and. Because we're.
- [52:12]
Adam
And no trauma attached to it.
- [52:14]
Caller or Guest
No.
- [52:14]
Sal
I asked him like, bro, because I.
- [52:15]
Adam
Feel like that's kind of a common thing, right? Yeah. Like, if you have.
- [52:17]
Sal
No, they said that she. He said that they think there was some kind of disconnect in his brain. Or the. Or the brain. Yeah.
- [52:24]
Adam
Interesting.
- [52:24]
Sal
But the crazy part to me was he had an actual legit, licensed therapist that helps you. That would give him.
- [52:30]
Adam
Yeah. To fix you.
- [52:32]
Sal
That would like.
- [52:32]
Adam
I mean, that was expensive therapy. I'm like.
- [52:34]
Sal
And I remember I would talk to him like, bro, is it a therapist? Are you going to the. Yeah.
- [52:38]
Adam
Is this the same massage parlor? Dolphins?
- [52:40]
Sal
Yeah. And he's like, no, she's a. She's a dog. I'm like, she's like a PhD. Like, this is what she does. Are you.
- [52:45]
Adam
You're not watching Landman, are you? No, that's good. The, the, the scene where he. So in Landman. So what's the, what's the old man in real life?
- [52:52]
Justin
What's his name?
- [52:54]
Adam
Elliott.
- [52:55]
Caller or Guest
Elliot.
- [52:55]
Adam
Sam Elliott, who's like, I think his late 70s or 80s now is an actress.
- [52:59]
Katrina
Cowboy.
- [52:59]
Adam
Yeah, Real old cow, like barely moving around. So that's. And Billy Bob Thornton is his son. And they have like this bitter, angry, you know, relationship. And like, so he. And his dad's stubborn as well. And so he goes. One of the scenes is he shows up to a strip club and he comes over and he basically hires a stripper to go be a physical therapist for his dad in the pool. And she's like not wanting to do it and he just keeps putting another hundred dollar bill until he finds her price of like, what? And he's like, listen, he's harmless. He ain't gonna do anything.
- [53:27]
Sal
Like. And so to get him to do exercise.
- [53:29]
Justin
Yeah, yeah.
- [53:30]
Adam
And he goes, he goes, I know my dad, he won't say no to a pretty face, you know what I'm saying? So just go there. And she's like, listen, I'm not signing off. I don't know what I'm doing. This and that. And so like the next cut of the scene is just his dad's floating in the pool like this and she's just, she's in her little bra and underwear and she's just like swaying him back and forth.
- [53:46]
Sal
He's got this big grin on his face.
- [53:51]
Adam
She, she tells him later on, like the episodes down the road, she's like, you do know that I'm not a physical therapist, right?
- [53:58]
Sal
This is the show you guys keep talking about.
- [54:00]
Justin
Yeah, yeah, it's good.
- [54:01]
Adam
It's called Landman. It's on Paramount Plus. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Paramount Plus.
- [54:06]
Sal
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- [54:48]
Caller or Guest
Our first caller is Elia from Maryland.
- [54:51]
Sal
Elia, what's happening?
- [54:52]
Adam
How you doing, man?
- [54:53]
Katrina
What's going On.
- [54:53]
Caller or Guest
Hey, guys, how are you? I'm good. I'm good.
- [54:56]
Sal
How can we help you?
- [54:57]
Caller or Guest
So first, I just want to say I'm really honored to be on the podcast, and I really, really thank you guys. You guys are really, really good role models on how to be a high quality, valuable man. And I really learned a lot from you guys. I found you guys out a couple of months ago. I really appreciate all that you guys do, so I want to say that first.
- [55:14]
Sal
Thanks, man.
- [55:16]
Caller or Guest
Yeah, for sure. So I. I'm sure you guys can relate to this. It is difficult for me to just kind of sit around and not do anything. So I have been speaking to a lot of people, a lot of mentors about what to do with my question. So I have found an answer. I just really wanted to hear what you guys think because I really, really respect you guys, and you guys are like, you know, my role models. I really wanted to hear what you guys think and if it's the right decision. Okay, so I'll just tell you my question. It's kind of long, so I'll say it as quickly as I can. So a couple months ago, I just finished the. The military. Just got out of the military, and I just did my. I just got certified from NASM as a personal trainer. So I went to my local gym, and it's probably. It's the best gym in the area, in my opinion. It's very big. They have clients coming all the time. They have the best trainers. It's a great work environment. And I spoke to the manager about working there, and he told me that he's going to get to my application. He just asked. He's going in order of applicants based off of experience. Okay. So it's going to take him time to get to mine. And it's been a couple of weeks, and he still hasn't gotten back to me. And I spoke with one of the trainers there who has the. Who's been in the longest, and he's one of my mentors, and he told me that every. Every manager has a different thing that they're looking for. Right. And he said, this guy is looking for marketing experience, which I have none of because I've never really had, like, a real job besides for the military. Right. So I don't have any, like, experience to show him that I can. I can sell. So I don't think he's gonna reach out to me, which is. Okay. I totally understand where he's coming from. He's. So I. I asked the trainer, like, what Should I do? Right. I don't know what to do. He told me that. That my options, that what I could do is I could look for some kind of job where you sell, right. Like in retail or selling cars or something like that. Or I could work for the gym selling memberships. But another issue with that is you also need sales experience for that. So the other options would be to work for, like, a smaller gym or just something like that, another gym. And I've spoken with a lot of other trainers that I. That I've known from these other gyms, and it's not the best experience. It is an option, though. I spoke in with a lot of people on what to do, and they always ask me, like, what is my end goal? Right. Like, what do I want to tell you?
- [57:46]
Justin
Yeah, guys, hey, you're. You're overthinking this right now. Literally, all you need to do is you have to close him in your interview. And what that looks like, if I'm you, is, hey, I don't have any experience in personal training or sales, but I. I'm coming straight from the military. I've got serious discipline, and I'm the type of person that if you teach me, you show me, or you point me in the right direction, I'm going to figure the job out. And I promise you, by the end of this year, I'll be one of your top trainers right there.
- [58:13]
Sal
Let's. Let's.
- [58:13]
Adam
Right.
- [58:14]
Justin
That's all you got to say? And let me tell you, you'll jump to the top of that list real quick.
- [58:19]
Sal
Yeah. You have the same. That's. I almost cut them off myself, Adam, because I can feel the same.
- [58:22]
Adam
Well, yeah.
- [58:23]
Sal
So here. So here's the deal. How bad do you want to work as a trainer? We got to start there first. Is that what you want to do?
- [58:29]
Caller or Guest
What. Can I say one thing? I kind of went a little bit different direction.
- [58:32]
Sal
Sure, go ahead, tell us.
- [58:35]
Caller or Guest
I. I'm starting my own business as a trainer. I know it's just the beginning.
- [58:39]
Justin
I have.
- [58:40]
Caller or Guest
I have lots of years of training other people. I wasn't certified, but I've been training people for years now, so I've spoken with other people, and. And I have a couple people that are going to help me.
- [58:52]
Sal
Yeah.
- [58:52]
Caller or Guest
Yeah. I don't know. Is that. Is that a bad idea?
- [58:54]
Sal
Yes.
- [58:55]
Justin
What do you guys think? That's a terrible idea.
- [58:56]
Sal
That's terrible because.
- [58:57]
Justin
Not.
- [58:57]
Sal
Because.
- [58:57]
Justin
Here. Here's the deal. Because the hardest part about personal training. Personal training.
- [59:00]
Adam
Yeah.
- [59:01]
Justin
It's sales and b. It's sales and business. So what you just did was you added sales and business and building a business with being a personal trainer.
- [59:08]
Sal
You, You're.
- [59:09]
Justin
This is why we always push people to go to a big box gym. The only reason why this guy is overlooking you right now is got nothing to do with certifications and not not. It's that in that interview, you didn't close him. Why? You should have. You should have hired.
- [59:23]
Sal
You got to be persistent.
- [59:24]
Justin
I don't give a about somebody having four or five years sales experience.
- [59:27]
Adam
If you.
- [59:27]
Justin
If the young man sitting across from me convinces me that wherever direction I point him or tell him to go, he's going to do and figure it out. And within a year's time, I'm going to be one of your top guys. I'm sold, bro.
- [59:39]
Sal
Hell yeah. We used to hire people all the time. And if you came to me and I'll tell you a personal story, okay, but if you came to me once and you said, hey, I want to be a trainer here, and I'm like, okay, I'm going based off experience, you're like, cool, I'll fill out an application and then you leave, like, see you later. Now if you came into the gym every day and you talked to me about it, I'll make. Listen, I'll do this. I'll make it happen. Listen, tell me to do anything, eventually I like this kid. That's exactly what I want. So we're telling you the buttons to push. But the reason why I'm saying this is I'm asking you how bad you want to be a trainer. Because if you want this badly, we'll get you hired. If you don't, go do something else. Because if you get hired and it's not what you want to do, then you'll fail. And I don't want to set you up for that, but it sounds like this is what you want to do. So I'm gonna tell you a personal story. I'm gonna tell you a personal story from the best salesperson I ever hired in my entire life. Probably the best salesperson I ever worked with in my entire life. This is my friend Larry Evans, late Larry Evans. And I'll tell you the story because it's exactly. I think it's really gonna help you. So Larry went and applied. So this is back when I managed 24 Fitness, is when I managed the one on Hillsdale Adam. And Larry went to another location because there's a lot of locations. So he went to another large location on Capitol McKee, he introduced himself, and they blew him off. So he went in, hey, I want to work here. I want to do sales. Like, well, I don't know. We'll see. I don't want to. And so Larry, being Larry persistent, comes to Hillsdale, my location. He introduces himself and he tells me he wants to work for me. Now I can see something in him because he's kind of persistent. Like, he's coming up to me, the manager, and he's persistent, but I'm also looking at this guy, and he's wearing long basketball shorts. He's got this long jersey on. And so I'm like, hey, man, listen, come back like you actually want the job. And then we'll talk. And that really was a test. Let's see how bad you want this. So he came back the next day looking his best. He had a buttoned up shirt tucked in. You could tell he didn't have a lot of money. So he had kind of these big slacks on. But he showed up again like he wanted to really work there. And he talked to me, and I said, huh, I think I like this guy. And you know what happened? He came in the next day, he did the same thing, and I hired him. Larry ended up being. And it was that attitude is what it was. He ended up being the best salesperson.
- [61:58]
Caller or Guest
I've ever worked with.
- [61:59]
Sal
Nobody's ever come close. In fact, he was the only one that ever.
- [62:01]
Adam
He still holds records in the company.
- [62:02]
Sal
He was the only guy that ever broke my record.
- [62:05]
Caller or Guest
Can I ask, what did he tell you? What did he ask?
- [62:07]
Sal
It was his persistence. He didn't say anything magical. It was literally like, I'll do whatever you tell me. I'll do whatever it takes. I want to work here. I'll make it happen. You tell me, I'll. I'll do it. I'll learn. I'll learn whatever you tell me. I'll show up, I'll work whatever hours. And so I'm like, done.
- [62:22]
Justin
What do you.
- [62:22]
Adam
What was.
- [62:23]
Justin
What's the most value you got from being in the military?
- [62:25]
Adam
Tell me.
- [62:26]
Caller or Guest
Definitely like that. Discipline not to give up on.
- [62:31]
Justin
So, brother, that's it. Don't, don't, don't. Don't try and regurgitate what Sal said, right? Like, that's. You go in and tell them, listen, I. I don't have a lot of experience as trainer. I just barely got my national certifications. I don't have any experience.
- [62:44]
Sal
I'll do whatever you tell me.
- [62:45]
Justin
Let me tell you what I. What, What I have done the last few years and what. What kind of man that's made me into be. And who I will be working for you. And be honest, who you are, what you got from the military, and how you're going to apply those skills that you learned in the military into being one of the best personal trainers. Bro, I'm not letting you walk out that door.
- [63:03]
Sal
No way.
- [63:04]
Justin
No way.
- [63:04]
Sal
If he's a good manager.
- [63:05]
Justin
No, I don't give it. I don't care. If you didn't have your nasm, I would be like, okay, next test is go get your nasm. And then if you went and didn't come back, I'm like, this kid's for sure getting a job.
- [63:12]
Sal
Yeah. Yeah. And if that doesn't work, breaking balls. I mean, literally, go in the gym, workout every time you see him. Hey, man, I want to work here. Hire me. Like. Like, what do I got to do? What do I got to show you? What can I do to prove to you that I'm gonna do a good job? And then whatever he tells you, go do it. All right. Go fly her up a parking lot. Done. Go. Go talk to some members. Done.
- [63:32]
Justin
When a manager tells somebody the thing he told you, that's my.
- [63:36]
Adam
My easy way of letting you down. That. I don't. Yeah, it's me brushing you off, like, there.
- [63:41]
Justin
Every gym is looking for the next best trainer. Even when I'm not hiring. I'm hiring. I'm not hiring right now. But I'm looking for somebody who's better than my top guys. And there's no way I let a guy walk in front of me who I go, that. That kid could be. That could be one of my top guys. I've. I'll find room for you.
- [63:58]
Katrina
Character.
- [63:58]
Justin
Yeah.
- [63:59]
Katrina
That's what he can mold you.
- [64:00]
Justin
And so he's giving you some bullshit thing to brush you off. And it's because of how you. However you came at him. But don't. Don't try and say something over the top. And it's not. Be honest. I know you got skills from being in the military. And tell me how those skills are going to translate into you being one of the best trainers here. That's it. That's in your words. That's what you got to say.
- [64:20]
Adam
And then.
- [64:20]
Justin
And then ask him, what do you want me to do?
- [64:22]
Sal
And be persistent.
- [64:23]
Justin
Yeah, show up again. Show up again. And that. And you'll get the most from working in a big box gym around 10, 20 other trainers that are all. You said the top guy there's your mentor, right?
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Caller or Guest
Yeah, He's. He's really smart, bro.
- [64:36]
Adam
That's.
- [64:36]
Justin
I mean, you want to work next to that. You want to work next to him. Now you get to work next to him. And I bet you if you tell him what I'm telling you right now, he'd be like, yeah, you probably, you.
- [64:44]
Adam
Probably get the job.
- [64:46]
Caller or Guest
Okay. That. I kind of knew that hearing it from you guys. Okay, that does sound like the right idea.
- [64:52]
Adam
It is.
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Caller or Guest
My goal in the future is to be like, you guys have my own business. This is the right path for that.
- [64:58]
Adam
Yes.
- [64:59]
Katrina
Yeah.
- [64:59]
Justin
Yes, yes.
- [65:00]
Katrina
Start there.
- [65:00]
Justin
You're. You're looking into that 20, 25 to.
- [65:03]
Adam
30 years due to us doing.
- [65:04]
Sal
Go get hired at that gym. And then step. That's step one. Step two is be the top trainer in that gym. Step three is top trainer in that gym for a year or two. Step four, start your own business.
- [65:14]
Justin
And you know what's awesome is your, Your mentor is the top guy already. So you, you have direct access. The next best level. It would be working next to him every day and watching his behaviors.
- [65:22]
Sal
That's right.
- [65:23]
Justin
Seeing what he does, picking his brain. That's going to get you. And then, then, then those skills. If you prove that you can do all those things and be one and two with that guy, that then you have the like. I believe your mentor could probably leave that gym and go start his own business. But all the, the, the 11 trainers underneath him, I bet you. I bet against them rarely. It's. It's all. It's very difficult. 20% of people are successful in entrepreneurship. Okay. 80% fail. So if there's 10 trainers there, that means there's only two of them that have that possibility even making it happen.
- [65:55]
Sal
Okay.
- [65:56]
Justin
So you better be 1 and 2 if you're even going to give yourself a fighting chance. But what do most trainers do?
- [66:01]
Adam
They try it for a little while.
- [66:03]
Justin
They don't.
- [66:03]
Adam
They're not getting paid.
- [66:04]
Justin
They see the numbers on, oh, my God, I only get paid $30 an hour, and we're charging these people 70. I just go take my three clients that tell me they love me, and then they don't realize, oh, I got those clients from this gym. How would I go do that on my own? And they have no client or they know one or two people, and then what happens happens when your book turns over. It's like you have no, you have no skills to go build a business. That's what you're learning. It's education time for you. When you work at this, this big gym is to learn how that gym operates, how it got to be a multi million dollar facility, and how that trainer became a top trainer. Then you go build your business.
- [66:36]
Sal
Hell yeah. How do you feel right now?
- [66:37]
Katrina
Yeah.
- [66:37]
Sal
You feel psyched?
- [66:39]
Caller or Guest
I do. Yeah.
- [66:39]
Sal
Hang up the phone and go to the gym.
- [66:41]
Justin
Yeah.
- [66:41]
Sal
Go talk to him right now.
- [66:42]
Justin
Yeah, get over.
- [66:43]
Caller or Guest
That's fine.
- [66:43]
Sal
One more time. It is.
- [66:44]
Justin
I'd love to hear back from you. Okay. Email.
- [66:46]
Sal
Tell us what happened. Once you get hired, send a message back to us.
- [66:49]
Adam
Yeah, that's it.
- [66:50]
Caller or Guest
Yeah, of course. Thanks, guys.
- [66:51]
Sal
You gotta do it.
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Caller or Guest
You guys are super awesome. I really appreciate it. I really appreciate everything you guys do.
- [66:55]
Sal
All right, brother, go do it. It's cracking me up because, hey, that's how I got hired. That's how I got hired. That's how I became a general manager. I was like, I was an 18 year old kid. I literally walked. I got my birthday. You couldn't be a trainer unless you were 18. I knocked on the door, I thought, this manager must be in this room. Sean, I still know Sean opens the door, shook his hand and said, I want to be a trainer here. He's like, oh, do you have any. I said, no, I'm not certified. I don't have any experience.
- [67:19]
Katrina
Gotta have that kind of energy, dude.
- [67:20]
Sal
I literally said to him everything that he's. And then Sean hired me. And then when I wanted to become a general manager, I talked to Mark, master of this is like the godfather of fitness. And I sat him down, I said to him, I'm the top GM right now. Make me a general manager. And he's like, okay, calm down, Sal, you're 19 years old. I don't know. I said, what do I got to do? Yeah. I said, I'll be the top guy every month. And that's what I did every month. And I literally set called him and left him a voicemail message. This month I'm number one. Make me a gym. And he gave me his worst club. And I said, thank you. And if you have that attitude, a good manager is you're going to be irresistible.
- [67:51]
Justin
I don't, I don't think this is independent of personal training.
- [67:56]
Sal
No.
- [67:57]
Justin
I think if things changed, personal training didn't exist.
- [68:01]
Adam
And my love passion for all this.
- [68:03]
Justin
And I had to go do something else.
- [68:05]
Adam
Same attitude, electrician.
- [68:06]
Justin
I don't care. Name, name the thing and the guy who's sitting or the girl who's sitting across the desk from me. This is what I'm saying. I have no experience. I don't know. I have no idea what you do, but I know I want to do this and I'm. I know. If you teach me or point me in the direction. What do you want me to do to show you that I'll be one of your best guys?
- [68:24]
Sal
And whatever they tell you, do it.
- [68:26]
Justin
That's literally it.
- [68:27]
Katrina
Hungry and learn and do it quick.
- [68:29]
Justin
And then go do the thing.
- [68:30]
Caller or Guest
Right.
- [68:30]
Sal
By the way, we're telling everybody how to be a trainer for mind pump too. It ain't easy because we're going to tell you to do some stuff. You still got to do it. But if you do it well, I.
- [68:37]
Justin
Mean, look at the staff. Most of the staff has been hired like this. We did not hire.
- [68:42]
Sal
We don't have the most experience.
- [68:43]
Adam
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [68:44]
Sal
That's right.
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Caller or Guest
Our next caller is Shelby from Nebraska.
- [68:47]
Sal
Hi, Shelby. Hi.
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Caller or Guest
How are you guys?
- [68:50]
Justin
We're good. How are you doing?
- [68:51]
Caller or Guest
I'm good. Thank you guys for having me on. I really appreciate it.
- [68:54]
Sal
Of course. How can we help you?
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Caller or Guest
Okay. I'm 32 years old and have been lifting consistently since I was 18. I'm also a mom to three little ones, ages 2, 4 and 5. Back in 2015, I competed in bikini competitions and unfortunately experienced all the classic side effects that came with it. Hair loss, loss of menstrual cycle, digestive issues, and more. Around that same time, my husband and I had just opened our own business, so stress levels were high. Fast forward to September of 23. I had healed, had three kids under three and wanted to feel like myself again. When My youngest was 7 months old, I decided against my better judgment to do 75 hard. I finally felt like my old self again. So I didn't stop. After the 75 days afterwards, I reverse dieted excruciatingly slow and continued to lose weight, dropping from 142 pounds and 32% body fat to 123 pounds and 18 body fat over five months, eating as low as 1600 calories. I thought it would be different this time since I was getting competition lean, but since I wasn't getting competition lean. But the same symptoms came back. Hair loss, loss of cycle, digestive problems. During that time, I also went through another major life change. And to top it off, I did the Murph, which completely wiped me out. I tried to push through with Muscle Mommy, but only made it halfway before my body said no more. Thanks to your show and Adam's series, I finally had the confidence to take a full break from working out for five months. Then I moved into Maps 15, doing about one week of workouts every two weeks. And now, months later, I'm easing into anabolic. Still going light. It's been almost two years since 75 hard, and I'm still dealing with symptoms. Anytime I lift even slightly heavier, my jaw tightens and I occasionally struggle with sleep. I'm currently eating around 1900 calories, about 130 grams of protein, and estimating the rest since tracking gets too obsessive for me. I have SIBO and sensitive digestive, so it's tough to eat much higher without things flaring up. I'm sitting at about 23% body fat right now. I probably feel best around 21%, but that's splitting hairs. My question is this. My body seems extremely sensitive to stress. Is it truly possible to recover from this again and eventually be able to push myself without crashing? How do I know when it's appropriate to start increasing intensity? Every time I start to feel good and push a little harder, I end up taking two steps back. And by pushing, I just mean heavier weights, not extreme CrossFit or not seven days a week either. And last question. Are these symptoms purely from stress, or do some women simply just not do well at lower body fat levels? I'd love to eventually maintain around 20 to 21 since it feels healthy to me, but I don't want to force my body if it can't handle it.
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Sal
Yeah, good question, Shelby.
- [71:43]
Adam
And great job.
- [71:44]
Justin
So you've done a lot.
- [71:45]
Adam
You've come through a lot.
- [71:46]
Sal
Let me ask you this. How hard is it to be a mom of three little kids?
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Caller or Guest
It's hard.
- [71:51]
Sal
It's a lot. Yeah.
- [71:52]
Caller or Guest
Yes. Yes.
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A lot.
- [71:54]
Sal
Yeah. So you said you wanted to feel like your old self, but.
- [71:57]
Caller or Guest
Yes.
- [71:57]
Sal
Your old self didn't have kids.
- [71:59]
Caller or Guest
Right.
- [72:00]
Sal
Your old self maybe wasn't married, didn't have the business and all that stuff. That's your old self, is your old self. This is a new you. And you're in a season right now, by the way. You're not sensitive to stress. You have a lot of stuff going on.
- [72:14]
Adam
Yeah.
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Sal
Yeah. So it's not like you're some, like, weak person that just can't handle stress or whatever. You're handling a lot. You got three little kids by itself. Yeah, that's a ton.
- [72:24]
Justin
And a business.
- [72:25]
Sal
That's a ton. Yeah. You're doing a lot. So, I mean, it's going to take a long time.
- [72:31]
Caller or Guest
Yeah, that's fair.
- [72:33]
Sal
It's just going to take a long time. And what it's going to look like you're in a season right now of prioritizing other things. By the way, maintaining 23% body fat. I'm looking at. You look good, you're kicking butt. You know how many moms of three kids would look at you and be like, how does she do it? So you're doing really good, hun. You just, you can't compare yourself to a time when you had 99% less things going on in your life.
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Caller or Guest
That's fair. That's fair. So what would be appropriate for me right now then?
- [73:08]
Sal
I like maps 15 or reverse diet. Yeah, you gotta eat more.
- [73:11]
Katrina
You're already on that.
- [73:12]
Sal
Yeah, just keep doing that. And this is a season. So if you plan on exercising for the rest of your life, there will be other seasons where you're like, man, I got more time on my hands. Kids are going to school like, like, you know, now I can focus on these other things and that'll come, that'll happen. And in the big picture, it's, it's, this is a short season. It just feels long because you're in it, you're in the middle of it. But I would stick just maps 15, reverse diet. Your calories should probably slowly go up. Let's get you around 24, 2,500 calories. And just do that and just stay there for a long time.
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Adam
Yeah.
- [73:49]
Justin
Just focus on being healthy right now.
- [73:50]
Adam
That in itself is hard for most people and you're doing a great job. You've done a great job.
- [73:55]
Sal
How old are your kids right now?
- [73:57]
Caller or Guest
2, 4 and 5?
- [73:59]
Sal
Yeah, it's probably going to be when your youngest is five.
- [74:03]
Adam
You're in the eye of the storm right now.
- [74:06]
Sal
So you know the other.
- [74:07]
Adam
Side of its way.
- [74:08]
Sal
So you got a range of kids. Right. So you're, how old is your oldest?
- [74:11]
Caller or Guest
Five.
- [74:12]
Sal
Okay, right around five. Things get a little easier with, with your kid, right?
- [74:16]
Justin
Yeah.
- [74:16]
Sal
Okay.
- [74:16]
Caller or Guest
Yep.
- [74:17]
Sal
So the youngest is two. So when the youngest probably gets to five.
- [74:21]
Adam
Yeah.
- [74:22]
Sal
Then things are going to probably change. You probably have a few years of Maps 15, style workouts, taking care of myself, being healthy, being a mom, focusing on my marriage and keeping everything going and just feeling good. And then when the little one gets to that age, then you're probably gonna have more, more space.
- [74:41]
Katrina
But don't push that appropriate dose to match the stress. That's your desired outcome.
- [74:46]
Justin
What's crazy too, since you're, we're only.
- [74:48]
Adam
Talking about 1 to 2% here, there's a very good likelihood that if you just take this Advice.
- [74:54]
Sal
You might actually get leaner through reverse dieting.
- [74:56]
Adam
Yeah.
- [74:56]
Justin
And you just focus on getting Strong and. And maps 15 and slowly reverse dieting and getting healthy.
- [75:03]
Adam
There's a really good chance that 1 to 2% body fat comes off during this process of.
- [75:09]
Justin
That makes sense of focusing like that versus having that. This.
- [75:12]
Adam
Like, okay, I've been.
- [75:13]
Justin
I feel pretty good for long enough. Let me ramp it up so I can get there then, because then this will. Then you'll just spiral out again, and then you'll be back to square one. So take this season as an opportunity of other things are a higher priority.
- [75:25]
Adam
Still take care of your health.
- [75:27]
Justin
Still get Your workouts in Maps 15.
- [75:29]
Adam
Is perfect for you.
- [75:30]
Sal
Three Little Kids is a chaos, too. That's like a business. That is chaos, man. You don't think that's a stress on your body? It's a lot, dude. That's more than when you were training for bikini.
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Caller or Guest
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's probably true. Honestly, when I go to work, I feel less stressed.
- [75:46]
Sal
Yeah, dude, you get a little break.
- [75:48]
Adam
Yeah.
- [75:48]
Sal
Just give it. Give it some time, hon. Just give it some time.
- [75:51]
Caller or Guest
When I. So I'm at 1900 calories right now. Anytime I increase a little bit, my digestive. My digestive system just completely gets out of whack.
- [76:00]
Sal
Yeah. So you might need to treat yourself for sibo. You might need to do some gut healing. And a reverse diet could be as slow as adding 50 calories.
- [76:12]
Adam
Have you treated the sibo yet?
- [76:13]
Caller or Guest
I have, and it's gotten a lot better. A lot better. I'm still working on it, but I have treated it.
- [76:19]
Sal
Here's what probably happens, and correct me if I'm wrong, you start to feel better. You start to feel some energy, and then you. A little bit, and then you push it, and then it gets bad again.
- [76:29]
Katrina
Yep.
- [76:29]
Sal
And so when you treat sibo and sibo's gone, you still need to heal your gut, so there's still a period of time that you need to heal your gut. Also, when you start to feel good, that's not. Because it's time to push it. That means, oh, now let me feel good for a while before I even think about pushing it. What you don't want to do is stand waiting for the slightest green light, which is probably what you're doing. Like, oh, I think I'm good. Let's go. And then you just. You just set yourself back again. Okay. So just take your time. You're doing great. Just take your time.
- [77:03]
Caller or Guest
Okay.
- [77:03]
Adam
Yeah.
- [77:04]
Caller or Guest
Okay.
- [77:04]
Well, thank you for the Reassurance.
- [77:06]
Sal
Yeah, you got it. You ever worked with a coach?
- [77:09]
Caller or Guest
I have in the past.
- [77:11]
Sal
Do you think that would help you because it might help you to work with somebody that can like, walk you through this process?
- [77:16]
Caller or Guest
Yeah, I mean, it probably would.
- [77:18]
Sal
All right, I'll have somebody call you. I have a couple people in mind that I think could help you through this process.
- [77:23]
Caller or Guest
But I like to get my own way.
- [77:26]
Sal
Yeah. Did I get it?
- [77:27]
Adam
That's good.
- [77:28]
Justin
Hey, good self awareness.
- [77:29]
Adam
Yeah, yeah, that's good self awareness.
- [77:31]
Sal
Good for you too. And I love, I love seeing young people with, with a lot of kids as we need more. We need more people like that. That's great.
- [77:36]
Caller or Guest
They're fun even though they're stressful.
- [77:38]
Adam
Yeah. Don't worry. On the other side of five, it's gonna get so much better.
- [77:43]
Justin
For sure.
- [77:44]
Sal
Unless you have a fourth one. You might have another one. Who knows?
- [77:47]
Caller or Guest
Yeah.
- [77:47]
Justin
Yeah.
- [77:48]
Sal
Cool. Well, thanks for calling the show. I'll have somebody call you. Okay.
- [77:51]
Caller or Guest
Okay, thank you, guys. I really appreciate it.
- [77:53]
Sal
You got it. You know, I love callers like that because you could see as she's talking and then I just kind of say it back to her, she's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I think I'm doing all right. Because a lot. How many moms would want to be like that with three little kids?
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Justin
Three kids and a business.
- [78:08]
Sal
Yeah, yeah.
- [78:10]
Justin
That's like another kid or two.
- [78:11]
Sal
Yeah, yeah.
- [78:13]
Justin
And they're in the ages of two. Two to five is like, you're in.
- [78:16]
Adam
The fight right there.
- [78:18]
Sal
It's five. I know because I have a five year old. He can do things on his own now. Finally.
- [78:22]
Justin
Yes.
- [78:22]
Adam
Like it's, it's north of 5 where I feel like, like once max got to like five and a half, six.
- [78:27]
Justin
And then where we're heading into seven. Yeah. So much.
- [78:29]
Sal
Until they become.
- [78:30]
Katrina
Well, it's funny, we always go back and point back to when we felt the best, and you're so right with that. It's like, dude, let's look in the future.
- [78:37]
Sal
What.
- [78:37]
Katrina
What does my future self look like?
- [78:40]
Justin
Listen, I know that.
- [78:41]
Adam
I know. I know that. Because obviously people that have, you know, older kids, a lot of times get defensive.
- [78:45]
Justin
It never gets easier. It's not like it's, it's, it's. It's a different heart and that different person at that age. You, you have full attention on them 24, 7.
- [78:55]
Sal
That's right.
- [78:55]
Adam
You, you.
- [78:56]
Justin
So it's a different type of stress. Like now you guys have to worry about kids driving and it's a Different.
- [78:59]
Adam
Type of stuff that's all day long.
- [79:02]
Sal
You're right, it's different because with teenagers what stress can look like are short, extreme bouts of stress, but you're not.
- [79:08]
Katrina
All day long and you're not this like constant dependencies.
- [79:12]
Adam
They're not disrupting your sleep every night, they're not needing to be fed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's.
- [79:19]
Justin
A different kind of hard and it's not the right kind of hard to.
- [79:22]
Adam
Be doing 75 hard. It just doesn't go together.
- [79:25]
Katrina
But you gotta wait for that.
- [79:26]
Caller or Guest
Our next caller is Brianna from Arizona.
- [79:28]
Justin
Hi Brianna, how you doing?
- [79:30]
Caller or Guest
Hello. This is a very crazy, I know everybody says that, but this is so crazy. I just want to start off by saying I'm very honored. I appreciate you guys time. I know it's very valuable and I really appreciate you guys answering my question today. So I'm gonna read it because obviously I'm very nervous. Says dear Mind Pump. I'm lost, unsure and I need help. So here's my question. How do I know when I've tipped the, tipped the scales on stress? And I need to pull back for context. I am a 26 year old new mom of a 4 month old and I am constantly second guessing my training volume and my macros. I listened to you guys for about three, four years. I have my personal trainer certificate, so I have a lot of information and a lot of knowledge. But obviously when it comes to training yourself, I second guess that quite a bit. So I've been training consistently for three years and then last year, so four years all together. And then last year I went through some fertility treatments and got pregnant. So. And then had a very successful pregnancy and then up till about 33 weeks and then I was diagnosed very suddenly with preeclampsia. Had my baby like a week later and was in the hospital for a little bit. I didn't handle it very well. Had a lot of just stuff happen physically after that and then obviously we had a NICU stay. So I say all that to say that I have recovered pretty well. But I'm not sure if I'm pushing my body too much. I did six weeks of pelvic floor therapy and then I went into performance and now I'm running a pretty modified version of aesthetic. I stay at home with my baby so I have the time, but I never hear you guys recommend aesthetic to anyone. I reverse dieted up to 2400 calories and I dropped back down to about 2000. Just for a couple weeks. I was starting to get to the point where I was just eating whatever to make those calories, and I don't want to do that. So I'm just not sure where to go. And I want to be the best version of myself so I can show up for my son. I do want to teach him healthy habits and that his mom is strong. I found you guys from listening to John DeLoney about three years ago, and I started with Maps 15, and I was hooked. So I very much value your advice, and I'm very grateful that you've had me on today. You guys have truly changed my life for the better. So I'm happy to. Happy to hear anything you guys have to say for me.
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Adam
So by modified Maps aesthetic, do you mean you do half of the volume that's in there?
- [82:07]
Caller or Guest
Probably about half. So he's pretty clingy as far as my baby is. So I drop a lot of the shoulder and arm works. Arm workouts. I probably only do. Let's save. Like today, for instance, I'm in phase two, day two called for, like, four sets. I did one set. So I do. I do the main. I do all the sets for, like, your main lift, and then I pretty much drop everything else down. So it usually takes me about an hour, sometimes an hour and a half, just depending on. But that's kind of where my training looks like right now.
- [82:41]
Sal
How's the baby? Healthy.
- [82:42]
Caller or Guest
He's doing really good. So, yeah, we've recovered very well and doing. I'm doing really good, so I'm very, very grateful for that, you know, and that's just kind of my. My point is I don't want to do too much, and I definitely can be a person who pushes because that's what I feel like I'm supposed to do. And so that's really why I wanted to come on today and just to get some expert advice.
- [83:08]
Sal
Well, I'm so happy you called in, and I really appreciate this question a lot. This is going to help a lot of people. First off, what you went through is very traumatic. So. And a lot of moms don't hear this often, but when you go through a difficult delivery, especially staying in the hospital, that is a. Is a very challenging time, physically and emotionally, extremely so. There's a lot of. It's different. That wasn't that long ago. It was only four months ago. The fitness industry has also done well. The fitness industry in general has done women a terrible disservice. It has really done a terrible disservice to postpartum women. It has sold this idea that you have a baby and then you're back in shape four months later. I've trained a lot of women postpartum. A lot of women, both before, during, and after pregnancy. Quite a few. And in my experience, on average, okay, on average, it takes a woman about one to two years after having a baby to feel like, for lack of a better term, like their old self. One to two years. So everything else you've heard is a lie. It's a total lie. The people that make me the most upset about this are the fake fitness influencers who love to post their bodies. Oh, I had a baby three months ago. Look at me. You don't hear the whole story. It's not like it takes a while. Half of the volume of aesthetic is too much for you. Yeah, I guarantee. I guarantee that it's too much for you.
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Adam
Max 15. You should have stayed at max 15.
- [84:49]
Justin
Is where you're at.
- [84:49]
Sal
You're maps 15 for the next. Until your baby's a year old.
- [84:53]
Caller or Guest
Okay, I do have maps 15. I do have. I have a lot of programs. I kind of figured that's probably what you guys would say, but I really just needed to hear it. Obviously it's, you know, you feel good, so you want to do more.
- [85:07]
Sal
You'll feel better.
- [85:08]
Caller or Guest
You know, I hear. I hear people come on all the time and say that and hear you guys advice, but it really is hard, you know, to combat in your own mind. And I don't have a. I don't have a big community. I don't have other. Like your Yalls podcast is my fitness community, honestly. So don't have other people around me to, you know, kind of check that for me. And so I. Yeah, I do. I think. I figured Maps 15 is probably what.
- [85:33]
Sal
You would say if this makes you feel better. You know, my wife, very fit before she had our kids. I know Katrina very fit. Both of them struggle with this as well. Like, oh, let me do this. No, no, no, you're starting. It's a lot less than you think, and you'll feel better. Brianna, if you'll feel better following Maps 15. And we have a lot of Maps 15 programs. I'd love to send you one you don't have. So you have the original one. Do you have any of the other Maps 15 version?
- [86:02]
Caller or Guest
I don't have any of the other ones. I know you guys just came out with Muscle Mommy and Power Lift, and I. Both of those original programs. I haven't run them to their entirety. But I do have both of those, so I'm not really sure which one I was either.
- [86:17]
Sal
I have it. Thank you, Adam. I have a soft spot for, for new moms. So we usually give people one program. I'll give you both. Yeah. So you can follow one right after another. So you'll get 15 muscle mommy and then 15 power lift.
- [86:29]
Adam
I, I'd like to also put you in the private forum if you're not already in there. Since you brought up. Okay. So I'm gonna, I'm not.
- [86:37]
Caller or Guest
Okay, thank you. I don't mean to get emotional, but.
- [86:40]
Sal
You'Re doing a good job, hun.
- [86:41]
Katrina
Yeah.
- [86:41]
Sal
You're doing a really, really good job. Don't question your efforts. You're doing a great job. You just work with your body, not against it. It's gonna take about a year for you to scale things up, but in this year it's gonna feel so good doing the right stuff. And right now you're really resilient. It. You're probably questioning how tough you are and all that stuff. Half the volume of aesthetic four months out. Like you're tough.
- [87:08]
Adam
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [87:09]
Sal
But don't push it. Don't push that toughness.
- [87:11]
Adam
Stay in that.
- [87:12]
Caller or Guest
I don't, I don't want to. And I was kind of, you know, it's a, when you don't listen to, you know, you have a gut feeling. Most, you know, a lot of people do. And if you listen, if you can listen to your body, you know, you should listen to your body, obviously. And I probably haven't exactly because I very much battled with whether I should or shouldn't do aesthetic and just decided, well, I'll try something hard. But I typically choose the hard thing in life.
- [87:39]
Sal
So here's what you're. Here's what it would look like. Okay. Follow maths. 15 Go on a lot of walks with the baby. So that'll be your activity, which you're probably already doing. If you're not, it's great. It's great bonding time. It's great nap time. It's great activity. So 15 protein with lots of walks. Diet wise, I don't want you tracking anything. But I do want you to eat protein. I want you to track your protein and eat until you're satisfied. Stick to whole natural foods and don't track because if you track at this point it's gonna start messing with you.
- [88:07]
Caller or Guest
I can guarantee you that right now it probably has. I definitely jumped right back into that train of. And also knowing, you know, I know, I needed to reverse diet, and I'm glad that I did that. But my husband did ask me the other day, he's like, do you think he should probably be tracking your food? And I was like, maybe not.
- [88:27]
Sal
Yeah, no, no. Just aim for protein. Eat whole natural foods. Eat when you're hungry. Eat till you're satisfied. Go on a couple walks a day with the baby. Maps 15. Give yourself a year before you reassess. So not a year and then go for it. Like a year and then reassess. All right, how do I feel? Am I feeling good after a year? It's not to maps aesthetic. It's just something like maps anabolic.
- [88:52]
Adam
Okay, the form is going to be great for you. The form's got a lot of. A lot of moms that have been listening to us for a long time that similar feelings, gone through, similar stuff.
- [89:02]
Justin
So great community in there. So make sure you say, hi.
- [89:04]
Adam
Introduce yourself when Doug gets you access in there, and then. And then bounce questions off people and other trainers and all of us that are in there.
- [89:12]
Caller or Guest
I will. Thank you so much. Again, your podcast is my resource and I so appreciate everything that you guys do. It means the world to me. Thank you, God.
- [89:24]
Sal
And thanks for calling in. I know this helped a lot of other moms.
- [89:26]
Caller or Guest
Yeah, absolutely. Real quick. I just. I just really wanted to brag on you guys. I don't want to just be easy in my thank yous. You guys do a lot of hard work and I really appreciate it. And Sal, watching your journey to Christ has been. And being bold in that. That so difficult for a Christian to do is be outwardly bold. And it has encouraged me so much in my walk with the Lord, and I really appreciate that. And Justin, hearing about your boys and about you as a father and about kind of how you approach things just and observe has helped me a lot. I would like to have that approach with my son, would like to give him room to try and just gently encourage him. And so I appreciate the stories that you share. And Adam, I was thinking today about the call and I was thinking back to when your wife was in the hospital and y' all posted on your socials and asked for prayer, and I was, you know, anxiously waiting to hear, you know, if she was okay or not. And I just. You bring so much fight to the table and encourage me to be bold and to say what I think. And I just, I really appreciate you guys so much from the bottom of my heart. You have made my life so much better, and I greatly appreciate it. Thank you.
- [90:39]
Sal
Thank you. God bless you. Thank you so much. She gonna cry?
- [90:43]
Katrina
No, I'm gonna cry.
- [90:46]
Sal
You know, I. I gotta say this, man. You know, we, we rail on the industry all the time, the media industry and what they sell, but, man, they really mess up postpartum winima. They make them believe that they're going to be back in shape and it takes a while.
- [91:01]
Adam
There's always that you went through a radical change. There's always that anomaly. That's why there is.
- [91:05]
Sal
But I think I also believe a lot of them lie. There's a lot of them that post what they're. But they don't tell you they're suffering from postpartum anxiety depression that they. Their body's not feeling the way it did. And certain exercises or they were, they.
- [91:17]
Adam
Were orthorexic going into it.
- [91:19]
Sal
It's like, come on, dude.
- [91:20]
Adam
No, I know. It's.
- [91:21]
Sal
It's.
- [91:21]
Adam
Yeah, no, it's.
- [91:22]
Justin
It's tough.
- [91:22]
Sal
It's a radical transformation in your body. And then when you have the baby, it's not like your body's not radically transformed still. You know, there's lots of things that are happening and it's just not spoken to accurately. It takes a while. You got to give yourself some time.
- [91:35]
Adam
The community will serve her really well. So it's good how having other people that have been there and been. Been through for a long time, so she'll. She'll enjoy that.
- [91:43]
Caller or Guest
Our next caller is Josh from Michigan.
- [91:45]
Sal
What's up, Josh?
- [91:46]
Katrina
What's happening?
- [91:47]
Caller or Guest
How's it going, guys? Thanks for having me here. Really appreciate your time. Kind of as always, like with everyone else, you know, really dig what you guys are doing and been listening for a couple years now and thought I'd take the opportunity to ask a question I had. I'll present my question and then give y' all a little bit of context kind of behind that, that in kind of reflecting back on Yalls time with the podcast and kind of going back to its infancy. What are some things you wish you knew back kind of when you were initially getting it off the ground or what would you tell yourself in retrospect, kind of the context being here. I work in healthcare. I'm a emergency medicine resident doc at a large level one trauma center here in Michigan. In my approach, approach to making sure I'm clinically ready to go each day is the way I sleep, the way I eat, the way I train is to make sure I'm there ready to rock and roll, you know, by the time my shift comes around and I think I've been able to be fairly resilient kind of here up till that time. And I see a lot of my co workers, you know, my nurses, texts, other residents, maybe they may not be as resilient or I'm kind of seeing them kind of fade, you know, as they get into those later hours of their shift. And I find myself being, you know, ready, you know, come in, you know, give me another trauma, another medical recess, another critical patient. You know, I'm always thinking, you know, who's next, who's next? And so I think in addition to my clinical responsibilities, I would like to hopefully do something to not only be, you know, there to care for my patients, but also for my fellow like staff members too as well, kind of somewhere down the line. And I see the impact that you guys have had here in the fitness space and, you know, thought, you know, who better else to, to talk to about, you know, how to go about making an impact by way of a PODC or something similar?
- [93:36]
Sal
Yeah, you trauma docs are really cut from a different cloth. I swear. It's like you guys don't have enough on your plate. Every doctor I've ever trained who works in trauma is always adding things to their plate. So you want to start a podcast on top of treating people who are about to die.
- [93:53]
Adam
I got really good advice for you that's related to what we were literally just talking about before you came on air. So we had a small two minute.
- [93:59]
Justin
Break before you came on.
- [94:00]
Adam
I was just updating the guys on one of our buddies. Higher Up Wellness is his podcast. If you don't, it's his Insta, Instagram and his podcast. If you don't follow him, follow him. In fact, look at his post. He did just, I think yesterday and he spent, he spent some time with Gary Vee. Gary Vee's advice to him was to.
- [94:18]
Justin
People in this position where you're at overthink content, like how do I like, what content should I make? And the title and the hook and all these things like that, it's more about, about documenting. And so you already explained who you want to help out and who you want to impact. And so as quick as you possibly can, when you are in a moment where you taught something, you learned something, you went through something, record, you record it. Like it's literally like you just did some crazy, right, for four hours in trauma, you, you, oh my God, that was the most. Walk out as soon as you have a break, walk, grab your phone and then share and Document what you just went through, what you just went, what you just learned, whatever the thing is, so that you have, you have that documentation. So that's the first piece of content that I can use on social. And then if I'm creating a podcast, I'm expanding on that.
- [95:08]
Adam
That's all that is, is long form.
- [95:10]
Justin
So it's like I'm doing a short form of oh my God. What I felt, what I went through, what I learned real quick is as a thing is like almost like I'm denoting it, right? That what I just went through. And then later on that night when I'm inspired to, to create the podcast episode I'm creating from that piece of content or that thing that I just learned or went through, and I'm expanding on it. And then that's where maybe a little more thought goes into process of, okay, how do I title this thing that other doctors or who I'm trying to attract, whether it be the patient, the.
- [95:39]
Adam
Doctor or whoever, or, you know, other.
- [95:41]
Justin
Surgeons, whatever, I'm gonna, I'm going to title it so it's, it would interest them. And then I'm gonna expand on it. And then you, through practice, you'll learn how to put that content together better and better. But that right there, just doing that and lot, lots of reps of that is what's going to, to grow the.
- [95:59]
Adam
Podcast, grow your content.
- [96:00]
Justin
And where most people fail is they make the mistake of thinking that you're going to create something that's going to go viral and overnight you're going to.
- [96:08]
Adam
Have lots of, and you, and most.
- [96:10]
Justin
Of them don't have the discipline to just keep doing that thing for a, for a really long time, for a year, two years, maybe three years. And, and then that compounds, you get better at it. You start to learn the things like that's the formula right there.
- [96:24]
Adam
But most people don't have the, the.
- [96:26]
Justin
Discipline to do along it.
- [96:27]
Adam
Now, I doubt you lack the discipline because you're like Sal said, you guys are cut from a different cloth. I'm sure you got discipline.
- [96:32]
Justin
It's just understanding.
- [96:33]
Adam
That's what it looks like.
- [96:34]
Justin
Don't overthink. Don't overthink it. Don't, don't make it over, over edit it. In fact, we're going into it. We're, we're actually reversing trends right now. The trend was everybody shot all grainy and gritty at the beginning and rough and authentic.
- [96:48]
Adam
And then we got all these cool tools to edit and background and green screen. And now we're going to AI now.
- [96:54]
Justin
Nobody trusts what they see because it's so well produced.
- [96:56]
Adam
So like, like our guys are having.
- [96:58]
Justin
Us shoot things with our phone again.
- [96:59]
Adam
And they're just like, hey, just, just.
- [97:01]
Justin
Talk into your phone because people want that.
- [97:03]
Adam
And so what a great time for guy like you to try and create.
- [97:07]
Justin
So document, don't create content.
- [97:09]
Sal
I can't. There's nothing I can add. You just know you're signing up for a long time. Long, long haul. Most people fail at this because they, they do it for three months, six months, and they quit. So you just say to yourself, I'm doing so. In other words, okay, I'm gonna do this for two years. What is a. What can I commit to on a weekly basis for two years and then do that, and then don't expect anything out of it other than just being consistent. But it takes a while and just.
- [97:36]
Katrina
Keep serving your community. At the end of the day, you're just like, like you're the voice for who your target audience is. And also too, to bring in, you know, some of that feedback. So, you know, you'll find, you'll get a lot of suggestions by putting it out there. And don't be afraid to put it out there with coworkers and get some feedback.
- [97:54]
Justin
I. You are coming from a position that I think that I don't want to say this is easy, but it's.
- [97:59]
Adam
You're.
- [97:59]
Justin
It's so interesting what you do. And every day is so unique.
- [98:03]
Katrina
It's probably a gajillion stories.
- [98:04]
Justin
There's.
- [98:05]
Adam
Yeah.
- [98:05]
Justin
And, and, and so do not overthink this. Every, every step of your day, every con you have with a peer, with a client, with a whatever, with a mentor, that is, that is valuable content that you can document. And even if you can't document while it's happening, the cl. And this is what my buddy was talking about, was closing the gap on how quickly you make the content from that thing that happened. So don't allow something that was like, holy shit, that was crazy surgery, and I can't believe this. And, and then you, oh, I'll record a podcast next Saturday on that. It's like, I need to, I need to get that out of my head right now, why it's fresh, why my emotions are still on it, why it's authentic, why my true, my true feelings will come out. So as quickly as you can, close the gap on the thing, whatever the thing was, and create. Create or document something that, that versus what A lot of overthinking the Production.
- [98:56]
Adam
And the hook and the, the whole.
- [98:58]
Justin
Body work of it and the edit part process. It's like, no, dude, just start. Just start giving value and, and doing and turning it around quick and. And the practice and the rest.
- [99:07]
Sal
Yeah, they both said it. What I was thinking. Storytelling is very powerful. So if I had to look back at what got us initial success or attention was a storytelling. We just had a lot of stories. That's always the hymns. So you just tell lots of stories, be as authentic as possible. Oh, my God. This was stressful. This sucked. This was great. I don't know what I'm doing here. I do, you know, don't try to present yourself differently. Storytelling. And you got tons of stories. You probably have stories that happen every day. So, you know, there's your content right there.
- [99:36]
Justin
Part of our superpower was the four of us knew we would suck, knew this was. This was a new venture to us.
- [99:45]
Adam
Right?
- [99:45]
Justin
Yeah.
- [99:46]
Adam
And.
- [99:46]
Justin
And we knew that. It's like we were all so determined that. And we knew that the formula was just keep doing this. We'll figure it out along the way. If you look at where we're at 10 years and the TV screens and the stuff that we have for notes and how we think about way different, but that's not what got us here. What got us here was that attitude of like, hey, we're going to be.
- [100:05]
Adam
Really bad at this.
- [100:05]
Justin
We don't know what the hell.
- [100:06]
Sal
Might as well practice.
- [100:07]
Justin
So let's just practice and practice and practice and put. Put out. We didn't overthink it. We literally just. We would just go. We would turn the mics on and be like, let's talk about this stuff. And yeah, it was. It was bad and it was rough and all those things, but it connected. But we. Yeah, it is. It connected because we led from a place of like, you are, which is, I want to give value. I want to help my community. I want to do this. And so, so. And that resonated with a lot of people. And then over time, we built the skills.
- [100:31]
Sal
Yep.
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Caller or Guest
Okay, cool. Yeah, that's really helpful. And I think kind of my goal is to come from a perspective of, you know, how. How can we make ourselves healthier and address kind of our. Our. Like, I address my clinical work, like, as a. From a competitive standpoint, you know, like, I come from a more athletic background, and I kind of want to make sure I'm game ready. And game ready means, you know, I'm working, working five, six days a week. You know, that's five Six days, you know, that I'm going out and competing, so how can I, you know, fuel myself and make sure I'm squared away and ready to go for that clinical shift, you know, versus dreading going into work because I feel like crap or whatever it is, you know, I'm kind of addressing things.
- [101:12]
Sal
One warning, Josh. If you're doing this and you're being real and you're telling stories and you're like, I'm getting after it, I'm doing it, and whatever, and then you find yourself tired and it's not working, you share it. Don't present a false because. And then what will happen is you'll have to live up to that and it won't work. You tell them, oh, my God. I know. I get after all the time, but man, this week I am driving.
- [101:33]
Adam
I'm going to add one more thing to that, too.
- [101:35]
Justin
I don't even. So if I was mentoring you, I'd be like, don't even overthink that. What you think everybody wants from you may be totally off. What you think everybody else wants to learn from you may be totally off from what you think you want to give to everybody.
- [101:50]
Sal
Let them tell you exactly.
- [101:52]
Justin
So document your converse. What you think might be meaningless, which is a conversation with another doctor arguing over how we're going to go about this thing, whatever, I have no idea what a day looks like in your life. I'm super interested, though.
- [102:03]
Adam
And you.
- [102:04]
Justin
And you document that, and that might pull me in. And for all you know, your whole thing might be all about communication between, you know, two different surgeons and how to work through, like, I don't know, you don't know. And so don't try and pigeonhole yourself into a, a, this is what I want to give to everybody. They may not want. This is what I teach trainers. A lot of times trainers come in, they're like, I want to train athletes. And like, no one gives a about what you have to say about athletes, but they do happen to listen to you when you talk about joint pain. They're super interested in. You know what I'm saying? So don't even over complicate.
- [102:33]
Katrina
We're talking about fat loss all the.
- [102:35]
Justin
Time and that's it.
- [102:37]
Adam
I wanted to do that.
- [102:38]
Justin
Yeah.
- [102:38]
Adam
Yeah.
- [102:39]
Justin
So, so, so go into sharing and documenting everything and anything that you learn, you experience, you go through and come from a place of giving value to anyone and everyone and then allow the content and the comments and the interaction to steer you in that direction. And then, and then, and then Maybe.
- [102:56]
Adam
You start to formulate.
- [102:57]
Justin
How does this look like a business? How does. You know what I'm saying? Like, don't. Don't put the cart before the horse.
- [103:02]
Adam
Just.
- [103:02]
Justin
Just document, give value. And who knows what you end up speaking to. It may have nothing to do with what you think right now. Okay.
- [103:11]
Caller or Guest
Okay.
- [103:12]
Very cool. Well, thanks, guys. I really appreciate, again, your help, your time here and everything you guys are doing out there. Look forward to the episodes all the time. It's on my. On my way into work, as I'm meal prepping, as I'm coming home, while I'm stretching, getting ready to get a little lift in. It's good stuff. Good stuff.
- [103:28]
Sal
That's good, man.
- [103:29]
Justin
You're the man, Josh.
- [103:29]
Sal
Do it.
- [103:30]
Adam
Yeah, yeah.
- [103:31]
Katrina
Go save lives.
- [103:31]
Adam
Yeah, yeah.
- [103:32]
Justin
Keep us in the loop, though. I'd like to hear how it goes.
- [103:35]
Caller or Guest
Yes, sir.
- [103:35]
Sal
Will do.
- [103:36]
Adam
Yeah.
- [103:36]
Justin
Thanks, guys.
- [103:37]
Caller or Guest
Appreciate all your time.
- [103:39]
Sal
Bro. I gotta tell you, dude, I've trained so many, so many trauma doctors.
- [103:42]
Adam
Yeah.
- [103:43]
Justin
Like, the guy's not busy.
- [103:43]
Sal
They're bro, they're machines.
- [103:45]
Katrina
Yeah.
- [103:45]
Sal
And their machines until they. Until they're like, I was just talking to my buddy. I got a buddy who's, you know, he's been doing this for his body.
- [103:52]
Katrina
Gives out on him.
- [103:53]
Sal
Yeah. And he's like, dude, he's like, I don't know why, but when I'm off, I just want to sit on the couch. I'm like, what do you mean when you don't know, bro?
- [103:58]
Katrina
Yeah, like sitting down.
- [103:59]
Sal
You're up for 24 hours, four days in a row, operating on gunshot wounds and stuff. You've been doing it for, you know, 15 years.
- [104:05]
Katrina
What are you.
- [104:06]
Sal
Yeah.
- [104:06]
Adam
So, I mean, it is.
- [104:07]
Justin
It is pretty savage that somebody who.
- [104:09]
Adam
Has a job like, that's just like.
- [104:10]
Justin
What else can I do?
- [104:10]
Sal
I'm gonna start. What else can I do? Side hustle.
- [104:14]
Justin
You gotta love that.
- [104:15]
Adam
Lazy people. I. I love that.
- [104:17]
Justin
It's definitely.
- [104:17]
Sal
That's why I respect them so much.
- [104:18]
Adam
Yeah.
- [104:19]
Sal
I've always respected. I see that.
- [104:21]
Justin
You know that. What? It's so crazy. We were just talking. I was literally just talking about him.
- [104:24]
Adam
Before it was higher, our buddy, higher up wellness. And that was his clip. What it was all about.
- [104:29]
Sal
Perfect.
- [104:29]
Justin
Perfect was overthinking, content creation and doing all things. And it's like, dude, just document everything.
- [104:36]
Adam
And it's interesting too.
- [104:38]
Justin
Yes.
- [104:38]
Sal
100.
- [104:39]
Justin
No, it's. I'm super interested in what I want.
- [104:41]
Sal
To hear about that.
- [104:42]
Justin
I know. And. And I. And I think a lot with it. People in his position, again, very similar to us, right? What are. One of the biggest things that we learned was some of the simpler, most.
- [104:52]
Adam
Basic episodes and topics that we would cover would be what they need, right?
- [104:58]
Justin
And we wanted to just keep going deep and adding these layers and all this other stuff.
- [105:02]
Adam
It's like, man, it's just not. That's not what, that's not what.
- [105:04]
Justin
Connecting to more people. And so we've had to steer content that way. Same thing goes with this guy. He's going to be thinking, I want to do this, I don't want to help these people for this. But it's like, maybe nobody wants to.
- [105:13]
Adam
Hear that from you. Maybe it's something you don't know, that you have no idea about, you know?
- [105:16]
Sal
Excellent look. If you like the show, come find us on Instagram. We'll see you. It's at Mind Pump Media.
- [105:19]
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