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2788: How to Lean Bulk for Lean Gains (Build Muscle, Not Body Fat)
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Sal Destefano
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Justin Andrews
Mind Pump. Mind Pump. With your hosts, Sal Destefano, Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews, you just found the most downloaded fitness, health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. In today's episode, we picked questions from our Instagram page, Mind Pump Media, and we answered them. So again, if you want to post questions that we can pick, go to Instagram mindpump Media. But this was after our intro. Today's intro is 68 minutes long. This is where we talk about fitness and fat loss and muscle gain and current events in family life. Always have a good time.
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Adam Schaefer
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Justin Andrews
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Doug
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Justin Andrews
Bulking. This is the process by which you try to gain lean muscle. Almost nobody bulks to gain body fat yet this is what often happens. Here's what we're going to do. We're going to break it down. We're going to talk about how you can lean bulk, going to calorie surplus strength training in a way to build muscle and not body fat. In fact, some of you might actually get leaner doing it this way. Let's go the get leaner while you do this. Let me explain that real quick. If you didn't gain any body fat and just gained muscle, get leaner, you have a lower body fat percentage because your body fat is now a smaller percentage of your overall body weight. So that's what I want you to. Not that you'll lose body fat while doing this, but rather you become leaner as a result of gaining muscle. Although that's possible.
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Adam Schaefer
Although when you stretch this out like over 30, 60, 90 days, especially 90 days, I have seen that.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah.
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Adam Schaefer
Where somebody.
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Justin Andrews
I've done it.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah, me too. It's like. And to me, that's the Goldilocks zone. Right. When you're, when you have a nice surplus, just enough to feed muscle growth and see some growth at lean body mass. But then you also have periods of time where you're in a deficit and you lose body fat.
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Justin Andrews
And so, yeah, bulking can sometimes get out of hand because you don't get the potential negative effects until a little later. This would happen to me where I'd eat way more calories and just see bigger muscles or better pumps, keep pushing it. And you know, and then of course, a lot of people, especially women, are afraid to go on any kind of a bulk because of the gain of body fat. And there is a way to do this in a way where it's calculated, it's managed, and you gain lean body mass and not body fat or very minimal body fat versus the unstructured bulk or, you know, where it kind of gets off the rails and then you end up gaining a lot of body fat, as much body fat as muscle, which makes it very difficult later on when you try to, you know, get lean or whatever. So here's step number one and that is to figure out what you're currently eating. Okay. Because you can't go in an appropriate surplus or even deficit for that matter, unless you know where you're at. You got to know where you're at. Now, here's how you do this properly. This is where people screw up. Number one, you track everything that you eat. You do this for a couple weeks. A week is okay, but two weeks is better. But don't change your habits. That's where everybody messes up. The second they start tracking, they change their eating habit. So we don't get an accurate number of what is maintenance for them. Yeah, this was a hard thing for me to coach with my clients because I knew once they started tracking, they became more aware and without realizing it, they're making adjustments here and there. It's like that's not really an accurate number.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
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Doug
Well, now they know too, that their coach is looking over everything that's eating. So they're just going to naturally sort of adjust that and filter it out. But yeah, we need to understand exactly kind of your natural habits of what's going on. So we could just make these micro tweaks and really set you up for success.
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Adam Schaefer
So much so that I used to have to over emphasize this. In fact, I would say things like, listen, if you wake up and have a Starbucks, I want you to have that. If you have a midday candy bar, and that's I want you like, I want you to do those things because right away you can't. It's hard to, to. To start a week off of tracking for your trainer and not subconsciously try and make better choices. So you couldn't just tell someone to track you had I had to put a lot of emphasis on I want us. I need to see what like a previous week would look like before you met me. Because if you already are trying to make better choices, it's not giving me a really good baseline of what I. Where we want to go from.
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Justin Andrews
That's right. So when you do this, you're going to get numbers. Who cares? You just write them down using a tracker app. An app that'll track your calories and macros, which makes it very easy these days. And at the end of your week or two, you figure out your average. Okay. So don't go by your lowest or your highest day. You add up the total over a week divided by seven. And now what we have is a relatively accurate. And I say relatively because it's almost impossible to get perfect with this, but a relatively accurate caloric Maintenance. So this is what you're normally eating. This is what your body's probably burning. Unless you've been gaining and losing weight rapidly over the last couple weeks or months, this is the starting point. So if it's 2500, then that's your maintenance. If it's 3000, that's your maintenance. If it'S 1500, that's your maintenance. Now we know where we can go up from for this lean bulk.
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Adam Schaefer
I want to add one more thing that I make them track right here. Again, because there tends to be a lot of inconsistency here. And I want consistency when I'm changing calories by a small number. Like two or 300 is steps. And because people's steps fluctuate so much, they might. You have people that are, like, really low, like 3,000 during the week. And then all sudden, some of the weekends, they can do 10, 15,000. I want that. That same days they're tracking their food, they're also tracking their steps. And then just like you gave the Divide by seven, divide by seven. Give me the average steps. And I actually want you to maintain that. That becomes your step goal to start the program.
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Justin Andrews
Right?
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Adam Schaefer
Because again, what also could. Could happen is somebody who's like, oh, okay, I'm on my program now. Now they're, like, all said more active. They're going to the gym and they're walking now. And they.
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Justin Andrews
That changes the maintenance, right?
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Adam Schaefer
And that changes the maintenance. And so I also want them again, like, don't go out of your way to do any extra walks. Don't go do any cardio. Show me what a normal week of work and the weekend looks like. I want to see what those steps are. And then I'm gonna divide by seven, and that becomes your step level. And then it becomes what our calorie maintenance level is. And then I'm gonna put you in a surplus.
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Justin Andrews
Perfect. Next step, once you get your average, now we know how many calories you can go above that, and that becomes your new target. On average, about 300 above maintenance is a good starting point. Now, some people will be higher, some people are lower. But I like 300. I think 300 is a good number. In my experience, 300 works for most people. Again, sometimes I'll go down as low as 200, sometimes as high as 500, depending on who I'm working with. But for most people, 300 above. So if you were averaging, you know, 2000 calories, now you need 2300 calories a day. And that's your new Target. And that's going to put you in this kind of lean bulk category.
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Adam Schaefer
This seems like for some people they think it's. So it's a lot. And if we're, if we're pairing this with a weight training program and this is 300 over your maintenance, the you're going to need those additional calories to build, to build that muscle at minimum. So 300 is a really conservative number that you can be okay. Plus you figure too that room for error like the only very rare cases. And there are some. But rare cases where I move somebody only a hundred, you know, because typically there's.
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Justin Andrews
Because they're scared. Yes.
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Adam Schaefer
And so we'll all inch them up for that reason. But for the most part, I would argue most clients, I can move 3 to 500 calories right out the gates and see positive change.
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Justin Andrews
That's right. Next, as part of this, make sure you hit high protein every single day. This looks like a gram of protein per pound of body weight. Now for if you're really underweight, make it a gram of protein per pound of target body weight. So you want to gain 10 pounds, go 10 grams above what the body weight is. So if you're 130 pound female, you're eating 130 grams of protein. If you're a 180 pound male, 180 grams of protein. You got to do this every day, you guys, every single day. Crucial. It makes a big difference. If you miss two days of hitting your protein target. I mean it's good that you got the five days, but missing two days actually makes a big difference. You only store protein like you do with carbohydrates or fats. It's like you can't carry over essentially. So hit your protein targets every single day. And the best strategy for this is to eat it first in your meals. It's the most important macronutrient. Although fats are also essential. Eat it first so you don't miss it.
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Adam Schaefer
This is paramount because being in a calorie surplus and under eating protein is a recipe for putting on body fat.
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Justin Andrews
That's right.
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Adam Schaefer
Hitting your protein intake consistently and being a calorie surplus paired with weight training is a recipe for building muscle.
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Justin Andrews
That's right.
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Adam Schaefer
So this, this is where people tend to go wrong is like they go to reverse diet and they're inconsistent with their protein and then we end up putting body fat on and then they freak out and it's like, well, we're also not giving the building blocks for repair and building muscle. I know we're training, and I know you're eating a surplus, but you're eating all carbohydrates and through fat calories. And we're not getting enough protein to support the recovery of the muscle. And so this becomes super important. And like you said, the difference of hitting it every day versus occasionally hitting it is a big difference.
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Justin Andrews
This makes a huge difference, you guys. I, I, I've always eaten high protein. Okay. But I missed target body weight for a long time because I'm, I'm a big guy. So, you know, let's say roughly 220 pounds. So 220 grams of protein day is pretty hard to hit. So. But I always was 150 to 170, which is not bad. It's good. It's not bad at all. But over the last, I'd say three and a half, maybe four months, I made a concentrated effort. Let me see what it does when I do this consistently. So I've been hitting 220, 230 grams of protein every single day. Big difference. Big difference. I probably gained five pounds of lean body mass, which is a lot for a guy like me who's been working out for so long in my late 40s now at this point. Yeah. And it makes a big difference, you guys. And I'm actually, even though my calories are high, maintaining a good body fat percentage. That's the great thing about protein is it kind of has, I'm gonna, I'm gonna say this, it's not quite true, but it does have this almost fat burning effect when you hit a high protein, high calorie diet versus one that's lower protein, which, like Adam said, use it.
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Doug
Yeah. Especially paired with strength training.
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Justin Andrews
That's right.
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Doug
It's great to be in a surplus, but to really have, you know, that amount of consistent high protein, your body's gonna use it and put it to work.
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Adam Schaefer
Well, that's my theory on why, that's, why that's so important is because even if you, let's say you overshoot calories a little too much, but you're hitting those high protein, a good majority of those calories will all get partitioned over building muscle. Very little of it will get stored as body fat. You, you flip that and you go, you same amount of calories, but you're really low protein, and you hit over fat gaining diet.
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Justin Andrews
Right.
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Adam Schaefer
That's a, that's a recipe for gaining body fat. And so it makes that big of a difference. I mean, your body wants and can use all that Extra protein, especially when you're strength training.
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Justin Andrews
That's right.
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Adam Schaefer
And so it's a huge difference maker.
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Justin Andrews
Now here's what you do with your training. Let's get to the training. Everybody does this the wrong way. So whenever somebody's trying to get leaner and they go in a calorie deficit, they add volume to their training. They add sets, they add reps, they add days of training. That's actually the wrong time to add volume. Now you have low calorie, you're in the deficit. Your body's trying to is catabolic. That's not the time to add more training volume. Your body actually has impaired recovery as a result of the lower calories. The time to add a little volume is when you're adding calories and high protein. Now it can go to muscle. This is when progressive overload becomes very effective. So this is when you add a little bit of volume to your training, not a ton. So people are like suddenly adding you know, 10 sets to every body part. No, no. Add a couple sets to every body part or one extra set, but add a little extra volume, you get that louder muscle building signal. You have enhanced recovery because the increased calories. This is a wonderful way to build muscle.
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Adam Schaefer
I, I, I love this or I love program switching because it's, that sends a new signal like novelty. And so, and because of the point you're making right now, wherever so many people go wrong here and they just, they, they, they over lot of times they were already doing too much volume and weren't getting proper recovery and then they think, oh, now I'm in a bulk. So I add even more recovery. Better strategy for me has always been like, hey, give me an idea of what kind of training regimen now in our case we have this huge collection of maps programs that are all so unique and different. I just take, start a new one. Yeah, I just start, I just take them in a very unique direction. If you were the guy or girl who gravitates towards the, you know, maps anabolic type of a protocol, I take you over to a performance or a strong or symmetry or symmetry, something that is really unique and just follow that. It's like, it's such, it's such a great way to do this. Controlled to where you, you're not trying to calculate out volume and figure out oh, am I higher or lower? I'm not sure. Is like once you bump these calories, switch over to another program. And that new adaptation, that new signal does a really good job.
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Justin Andrews
But nonetheless I do Again, I want to make this point like you. I can, I know this for myself. I knew this for the clients I trained. I can just handle more volume when my calories are higher and my protein is really, I just recover better. I don't get sore, I feel stronger. My joints don't hurt as easily. I can just handle more. So this is when, this is when progressive overload tends to work really well. It's when you're well fed. Progressive overload is really tough when you're not well fed. So again, this is the time. If you're gonna add a little volume and it's still appropriate, this is the time to do it.
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Adam Schaefer
You know, you've heard me. I've shared with you guys about, like, one of the things I, I noticed in the competitive space, how guys would show up to stage and they, they, they would put on all this weight in the off season again, and they show up with the same.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah.
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Adam Schaefer
Same physique all time. Part of the reason why that would happen is, and I'd watch it for right in front of me is we'd all be on these, like, hard cuts and diets, and they would be ramping intensity going into the show.
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Justin Andrews
Yep.
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Adam Schaefer
And I, I'm going the opposite way. I'm like backing off.
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Justin Andrews
You're intensity. Everything's high when you're in the opposite.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah, I've already, and I've already built the muscle. I'm just trying to keep it. And we know how little you have to do to keep the muscle. And so in a cut, when you're low calorie, it like you really want to preserve that and training harder. But the, the, the mentality is, oh, I'm getting ready for show. This is the last two weeks. So they were pushing and I'm like, no, this is the opposite in this. But flip that. When you're in the bulk, that's the time you push like this. This is the time that you train harder, you increase intensity or you add volume or you send a new. Like. That's, that's, that's when you got the extra calories to support that recovery.
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Justin Andrews
Totally. And then lastly, this is true whether you're in a bulk, in a cut, doesn't matter. Good sleep, keep it consistent. This makes a huge difference.
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Doug
Your body just works better overall. Everything, I mean, hormones balance in terms of repair, in terms of growth. Everything revolves around getting good sleep.
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Justin Andrews
Listen, I'll go as far as to say this. It's all almost impossible to build muscle with bad sleep.
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Doug
Yep.
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Justin Andrews
Good luck. It Ain't gonna happen. Injury risk goes through the roof. Body doesn't recover well, hormones start to get tanked. I don't care if you're running on stimulants, I don't care if you're taking steroids. I know guys that would run lots of gear, but had terrible sleep because they party all the time. Couldn't figure out whether to build muscle. You get them, you know, two or three weeks of like eight hours every night and suddenly muscle comes on, unlocks. So sleep is a priority and the most. There's lots of tips out there on how to get better sleep. You've probably all heard it like, turn off your electronics before you go to bed, don't eat right before you go to bed. Have a nice cool room, make it dark, all that stuff. The thing that I'm noticing makes the biggest impact for people is literally going to bed at the same time and waking up at the same time every day. That right there. Of all the tips we've given and they're all valuable, that one seems to make the biggest impact. I get lots of messages from people who say, man, that one tip make. I didn't realize I was jet lagged every Monday because I'd go to bed two or three hours later. Friday night, try to sleep in. Saturday, go to bed late. Saturday, do the same thing.
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Doug
Sunday, catch up now, Now.
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Justin Andrews
Yep, that's right. And jet lag. Listen, if your circadian rhythm's off by two or three hours, which happens by Sunday when you do this, it takes two days to get it back to normal. So now Wednesday you're back to normal, but boom, Friday comes along, you throw it way off.
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Adam Schaefer
So speaking from experience and what I'm going through right now is like I've taken, been taking all the supplements, doing all the things to try and improve sleep and 100 the best thing. And it's so, it's just being honest so hard for me to be, of course, be consistent with that.
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Justin Andrews
Like, yeah, because Friday night you want to stay up.
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Adam Schaefer
It really helped. I. What really helped was my days off. Last week I was, I was on this drive with a bunch of older guys and we drive all day long and so we hit the hotel and we're exhausted at like 8 o' clock. And so I go straight to the room by myself. And so I was in bed by 8:30, 9:00 clock every night. And I've already been doing that during work weeks right now. So like, so typically I screw myself up because during the work weeks I'm Consistent because I know I get bed early, we put Max down, we do our thing, but then I mess it up on the days off, stay up later on the days off with Katrina, watching movies. So I was gone. And the last.
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Justin Andrews
So you were consistent because you were.
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Adam Schaefer
So the last 14 days I've had some. And I've, I, I've never seen in my life before an 84 score on my sleep. And I had that this last week. And I think 80, 81, 80. I had 79 yesterday. But I've never had such good, consistent high 70s to 80 scores for me in sleep. And it's probably that because nothing else has changed. The only thing that's changed, I've supplements all the things I've been doing. The only thing that's been different is I've, I've strung more days in a row of this consistent time. I went to bed and I'm, and I'm getting up, up. And it's, it's frustrating to know that because I know that you talk about it, but it's hard to do.
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Justin Andrews
It is. And this is the way people, I think, should approach because then people are like, well, I can't stay up late and hang out with my wife or my husband or whatever. No, no. I approach it the same way you should approach diet. You can enjoy the pizza and the burger, but do it when it makes sense, when it's, when it's valuable. Like, yeah, you just by yourself, you eat pizza. Like, why don't you save it for when you go out? Your friends, you're going to stay up late with your wife. Do it on a date night when you guys are hanging out. But we're up watching mindless TV because we just don't want to go to bed because there's so much entertainment on. That's not a good time to do it. So most of the time take advantage of this. And then those occasional times when you're hanging out, maybe you're being intimate. Yeah. Stay up.
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Adam Schaefer
I think that, I think that's the attitude I have towards it too. Like, obviously this is a big focus for me right now.
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Justin Andrews
Right.
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Adam Schaefer
Is, is trying to improve that. And so it's like making that sacrifice. Would that make sense? I get. And then once I can get that all under control, then learning to have that. It is very similar to diet and everything else. The way we talk about that, it's like, yeah, I know for the rest of my life, I'm not going to be able to go to bed at 9:30 and rise at the same exact time. There's going to be plenty of times where we have have guest over or I go out on a date. But learning to try and be more consistent with that and then it be less of those, those times, saving it for.
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Justin Andrews
I'll say this, this wasn't an issue up until not that long ago when there was endless entertainment back in the day. Like you didn't stay up late unless you had guests over or you were so. Because what was I going to do? I'd read a book, turn on the tv. There's nothing. We didn't have the Netflix era Internet. We didn't have Internet on our phones.
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Adam Schaefer
I mean, that's where that saying came from.
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Justin Andrews
You could stay up late any night because there's endless things to do, do and watch. That's what I mean. That's one of the reason why people go to bed late is not because they're doing meaningful things. It's because they're doing meaningless things. No, if you erase that, most of the time you'll go to bed at the same time.
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Adam Schaefer
You know. You know how many times too I have have had regret of like staying up to watch a show that wasn't even good?
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Justin Andrews
Yes. Yes.
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Adam Schaefer
That is the worst feeling. I don't know if that's like, like an old man thing, right? If I sound like an old dude.
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Doug
Right now all the way through and.
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Adam Schaefer
You'Re like, why did I do every episode? I'm laying in bed, it's nine o', clock, I should probably just turn off and go to sleep. And I'm like, oh, let me see what's on. Flick around for 15 minutes because I can't find anything really good. Oh, let me try this. And I watch for an hour or two and I'm like, I just ruined a good night's sleep for a show. It's like, oh my God. If that's why Netflix the analogy that Netflix is the junk food of television. So that it's like, it's the same, same thing. It's like, what am I? That was not worth it.
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Justin Andrews
So I got to ask you, I see you drinking the Huel. So now you're trying it.
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Adam Schaefer
Yes.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah. What do you think?
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Adam Schaefer
So I've. This is the vanilla flavor. I actually like it.
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Justin Andrews
I like. I told you they killed the taste.
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Adam Schaefer
I. I like, I like it. I especially like it right now too because I'm also pushing protein and I'm bringing my meals, but it's still like you. It's hard to hit 230. Yeah, you got shakes a lot, so I need, I need shakes and I can only handle so much whey. So right now I'm at a point where I'm, I'm either doing, I'm doing two, sometimes even three. Three. The other day I had three shakes or bars. And if, if it's all coming from whey, it bothers me a little bit. I can have one or two, no problem. I've. I feel like I have this limit and so the, the last couple days I was like, y', all, let me try, let me try the huel. Even though it's not normally something I.
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Justin Andrews
Easy to digest.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah, very, very easy on me. I had the strawberry banana, which was really good, and then the vanilla.
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Justin Andrews
So both 35 grams of protein.
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Adam Schaefer
35 grams of protein and ready to drink, which is super nice, super, super nice. I don't have to carry around a shaker cup or something like that.
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Justin Andrews
So, dude, I gotta, I gotta tell you guys what, what happened last night. So last night my wife was, she was serving at the church and so I'm with the little ones by myself and we're hanging out and at first we're watching little cartoons and then they're starting their bedtime routine. And then afterwards they came and sat with me and I'm like, hey, you guys want to see, you guys want to see muscles? Like, okay. So I went and showed them like bodybuilder clips just to see what their reaction would be. They loved it. They, my daughter, my three year old daughter goes, I love muscle men. I love muscle men. I'm like, what? And my son's like, how are they so strong? Are they real? Can I see another one? I'm like, oh my God. They're totally into this. I don't know if I should be showing them bodybuilders. They were super into it.
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Adam Schaefer
I regret that one later.
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Justin Andrews
I know I don't want to get them all into it, but it was kind of funny because, you know, it's like this was a bodybuilder when I was a kid. He was awesome. And look how much he's lifting here. Well, I mean, is that.
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Adam Schaefer
I took your advice on the spin speaking. I did anything. I've been consistent.
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Justin Andrews
Well, that was from Scott. Wasn't me. But.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah, I know, but you, you talked about it. Because I was saying that what we had been doing for a while, which. So what I'm trying to do is cool because I've done it enough now consistently with. Between the pointing something out every day is it's it's at least one or the other of those.
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Justin Andrews
Always. Yeah.
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Adam Schaefer
And at first, the speed I did anything, I was like. I was a little. Because my son was like, what? What? Like you could tell, what are you doing, dad? Or what is this? But last night, because it's been now consistently a couple weeks now that I've been doing it, I was like, you know, let me just see if he remembers now. And I. I quizzed him and asked him, and he like, was I. Right away, before, it was like this, it was like I would say to him, and he'd be like, oh, dad, not again. And he was kind of, like, resistant to it. And then I said, who are you? I just all I said to him, I said, who are you? And then he goes, daddy, I am. And then he went through each one.
- [24:58]
Justin Andrews
And he told me, do you. You mind going through which one?
- [25:00]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, I. I am. I am brave. I am smart. I am kind. I help others. I'm a leader, and I can do all things I put my mind to.
- [25:09]
Justin Andrews
That's great. Yeah. Yeah.
- [25:10]
Adam Schaefer
And he's so great. Yeah, he nailed them. It was so. It was cool. It was cool to listen to him. He didn't, like, early on, there was like, a little, like, grumbling, or you, like, you would be silly about it. And I'm like, oh, man, I hope this.
- [25:21]
Justin Andrews
Well, I tell you what tripped me out wasn't the little ones, because they're little. It's my teenagers. And they. I missed a couple days, and then I went and did it. They're like, oh, you missed the last couple days. I was like, oh, they like it that much.
- [25:32]
Adam Schaefer
So my. My. My. My. My car buddies that I was with, one of them has a. Has a teenage son. And we were talking about something, and I wish I remember what it was, what he had said. And that was the first thing came to mind. I was like, oh, bro, you. You got to speak identity into him. That's where he's at right now. Because if you're not like, his friends and everybody else, find identity somewhere. And so I. He so, man, he's like, that's so. He's like, that's so good. That's so powerful. He's like, will you help me take a visit? So it's been great because. Because I'm holding somebody else accountable to. It holds me accountable. So I've been texting him every single night, and he's like, I've been really. So. I'm really curious. This has only been, like, I think five days for him or so. So I can't wait until he reports back to me.
- [26:08]
Justin Andrews
I want to tell you guys this. So I'm so. I do it for Jessica. She does it for me. So we wrote one for each other, and we say it to each other. It's really nice to hear your wife say those things to you. And then I'll say it to her. I want to do it for the staff, so I want to. I want to. At our next all staff meeting, I'm going to have one for everybody and just tell them what they are, and they're true. You got. That's the thing about this. You don't make them up.
- [26:27]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [26:27]
Justin Andrews
You know, no one's going to tell me you were organized. I'd be like.
- [26:31]
Adam Schaefer
Blow some projection.
- [26:33]
Justin Andrews
There's going to be some truth in it. Okay. You just mix up. But I want to do it. I want to do it for the team, because I think it's so valuable.
- [26:39]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [26:40]
Justin Andrews
And. Yeah, I think it'd be so good.
- [26:41]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. No, I think it's a. I think it's really, really. I mean, what I was doing, I know, was cool, and I saw the difference in it already, but I'm really interested in design. See, this and that just. It resonated with me that if we don't, then some other person will.
- [26:55]
Justin Andrews
Someone's giving them an identity.
- [26:56]
Doug
That's the part that really.
- [26:57]
Justin Andrews
Or. Or worse.
- [26:58]
Doug
True.
- [26:59]
Justin Andrews
Or worse.
- [27:00]
Adam Schaefer
They. They can't figure that out. They don't know who they are.
- [27:04]
Doug
Confused. Or.
- [27:05]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [27:05]
Doug
The thing is, it's a natural tendency, inclination for, you know, somebody to. To look for what others perceive about them. And so, you know, and so you're kind of like, trying to. Again, if. Even if it's like you want to be good at a sport or you want to be known for being smart, or so you do extra things to make sure people are paying attention to that, when in fact, if you just own that or somebody's telling you that.
- [27:30]
Adam Schaefer
Well, I saw how powerful this. I told you guys.
- [27:33]
Justin Andrews
It was.
- [27:33]
Adam Schaefer
It's been. Now, this was two years ago when I had that first talk with him. We got emotional, and I taught him that Schaefers never quit. Like, I've watched how that's played out. It's so cool.
- [27:43]
Justin Andrews
Isn't it wild?
- [27:44]
Adam Schaefer
Oh, yeah. There's been so many situations where there's something he's working on and. Katrina, you want me. No, no, Shaffer. And he'll. He'll say it. Schaefer's never quit. I'm like, oh, it gives me goosebumps.
- [27:54]
Justin Andrews
I'm like crazy.
- [27:54]
Adam Schaefer
So it's like, to see that unfold, I'm like, I can't wait to see.
- [27:58]
Justin Andrews
Listen.
- [27:58]
Doug
Literally said that to my kids.
- [27:59]
Justin Andrews
Really? So if you, you might be a parent listening, like, oh, that's kind of hokey. If you've been on a sports team or you've been part of a very effective business team, you do this. No sports teams do this. All the teams I've ever managed, we would, we would. No, we don't do this or we this or we're that. It's like, why don't I do that for my family? Yeah, it's the same.
- [28:18]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. Well, this is like what I'm the speaking idea. And having these lists of things is what I know will happen eventually. And if I, if I can stay consistent with it and really it's getting sunk in. They'll come a time where one of those things are challenged and then that is going to open that up.
- [28:33]
Justin Andrews
No, I'm brave.
- [28:34]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, exactly. And so that's, I saw it with the Shaffers never quit thing. And I know that this will be similar to that. So I'm, I'm really excited for. And, and that, that's, in my opinion, that's really. You're doing it now. You're building that consistency for when that thing comes. So when that thing comes, we can talk about it. And he, he already knows.
- [28:53]
Justin Andrews
Well, do you guys remember as teenage kids going through phases of just trying to figure out who you are? I'm gonna hang out with the skaters or, or the, the, the gang bangers, especially junior high.
- [29:03]
Doug
It's like, it's, yeah, it's the wild west. That's when everybody is really like, unsure about who they are.
- [29:09]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, but that's, but if you give them, you speak that into them, they're not going to walk around trying to have somebody else figure it out for them. And let me tell you, the world. Yeah. They'll give your kid.
- [29:18]
Adam Schaefer
That's why. So I don't know how, I don't know how you, I don't know what you, what you say to your, your kids or if they're all different or they're. They're all right. Okay. So like, I mean, mine I was trying to think of like when I was coming up with it was like, let me think of things that, like, I mean, that he's gonna be challenging. I want him to be a leader.
- [29:31]
Justin Andrews
Yep.
- [29:32]
Adam Schaefer
I want him to be kind.
- [29:33]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [29:34]
Adam Schaefer
I want him to be kind to us. And I want him to know he's smart. I also want him to know that he can do anything that he puts his mind.
- [29:38]
Justin Andrews
Well, we. So we. I have one that's different for all of them. And, like, I'll give you, like, one that I tell my niece because she lives with us now, and she's only been with us now for, I don't know, three or four months. One of hers is, you are a blessing to this family. Now, the reason why I say this, because she moved in with us, she's the outsider, and I want her to know she's a blessing to us. And you see her face light up when I say that. She feels so welcome. So part of the family. And every night, go in a room and I pull it out and you know, she's an 18 year old kid, and I'm like. And I read it and every time she's.
- [30:08]
Adam Schaefer
Oh, you actually have it written in your.
- [30:09]
Justin Andrews
I have them written in the room. Oh, that's a good idea. So I go and I read it.
- [30:12]
Adam Schaefer
Oh, that's a good idea. And with the little. I should make like a cool frame.
- [30:15]
Justin Andrews
Absolutely.
- [30:16]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [30:16]
Justin Andrews
And what I do is. What we do with the little ones, though, is they repeat it back.
- [30:20]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [30:20]
Justin Andrews
So I'll say, you know, you are brave. And then my son will say, I am brave. And then they'll repeat it back. But the older ones, I just say it.
- [30:26]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [30:26]
Justin Andrews
Getting them to repeat it back would be a little difficult.
- [30:28]
Adam Schaefer
No, that's obviously. And the older ones, you know, that they're hearing it. Like, for Matt, the reason why I quiz Max, I was wanted to see if it had sunk in. I was like, oh, it did sunk in. So that was really cool.
- [30:37]
Justin Andrews
All right, so I'm gonna change directions. Did you see that lawsuit? I'm gonna pull this person up. You guys must know because you guys. You guys watch football. So there's this supermodel that divorced some football player guy, and she made a comment about him that he's suing her.
- [30:53]
Adam Schaefer
No.
- [30:53]
Justin Andrews
Now. All right, I'm gonna pull this up, bro. This is. This is hilarious to see what you.
- [30:57]
Adam Schaefer
Guys, I did not know.
- [30:58]
Justin Andrews
So Matt Khalil's. So Matt Khalil is the football player. His wife. I forgot what her name was. Something. Haley. She's a supermodel. She was on a podcast. Haley Khalil and Matt Khalil. Okay, so she was on a podcast talking about their divorce, and she said one of the reasons why she got divorced was because his manhood was too big.
- [31:24]
Doug
Shut up.
- [31:25]
Justin Andrews
And it was hard.
- [31:26]
Doug
Pay her to say that.
- [31:27]
Justin Andrews
No, listen to me, listen to me. Here's where it gets weird. So she says that, like, it's. She said it's. It's too big and it made it hard for us to have normal intimacy. He is suing her because he's saying it's bringing him all this crazy attention. He doesn't like it. He's super offended. He's actually took her to court.
- [31:44]
Adam Schaefer
Stop it.
- [31:45]
Justin Andrews
Yes. No, exactly.
- [31:46]
Adam Schaefer
Stop it.
- [31:47]
Doug
Can.
- [31:48]
Justin Andrews
Like, really.
- [31:49]
Adam Schaefer
That's like, like someone's searching for compliments.
- [31:53]
Justin Andrews
There it is right there. So, yeah, she said she was on a twitch stream, that sexuality incompatibility due to his size was a major factor. That's the dude. That's the dude. Right? And he's. He's suing her, saying that. That's like. Was he. Was it defamation?
- [32:08]
Doug
I'm getting too much attention.
- [32:09]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. Dude.
- [32:11]
Adam Schaefer
What a. What a weird thing to sue for.
- [32:13]
Doug
Yeah.
- [32:13]
Adam Schaefer
I mean, they can't be hurting your game.
- [32:16]
Doug
No, that can't possibly say the opposite.
- [32:19]
Adam Schaefer
Can't be possibly hurting your game. Okay. It is referring to what we think it's referring to, right? She doesn't mean, like size. Big, fat, big guy.
- [32:26]
Justin Andrews
No, she's talking about his wing.
- [32:27]
Doug
Not, like, balls or anything.
- [32:29]
Justin Andrews
What?
- [32:29]
Doug
Because that would be weird.
- [32:32]
Adam Schaefer
Do you know what? You know, it's all balls, man. You know what's cool? You know what? I'm gonna go the other direction in sports news because I think it's really neat to see this. This is something that I, I. You've been talking about. And I mean, part of me likes it. Part of me also is jaded because I think media, all they care about is the trends and this and that. But there's obviously a positive trend. Like, it's, It's. It's coming back. Right? The. We went so far from the nuclear family. Went so far. So Matthew Stafford was. Is the quarterback for the Rams.
- [33:01]
Justin Andrews
Okay.
- [33:02]
Adam Schaefer
Who just. He just lost last week.
- [33:04]
Justin Andrews
Right. Okay.
- [33:05]
Adam Schaefer
And before the game. And they had this great videos of him. He's. I didn't know.
- [33:09]
Doug
He has three girls.
- [33:10]
Sal Destefano
Four.
- [33:11]
Justin Andrews
Four.
- [33:11]
Adam Schaefer
Four little daughters. And it was so cute. His four little daughter. So you, Doug, would probably Google Matthew Stafford. Four daughters. And I'm sure the picture will. All of them dress all the same. And they're all like, they're. They look real close to age. And then kissing him, them and his wife before he goes out on the field and stuff like that.
- [33:27]
Justin Andrews
That's great.
- [33:28]
Adam Schaefer
And it shows, I guess, the video that Went viral was the, the nest cam at that night after he lost. He lost, right? He gets knocked out of the playoffs and going into his daughter's bedrooms at like, I don't know what time, one in the morning after he gets back from football, stuff like that. And like laying with them and kissing him and it's all, you know, it's a black and white nest cam and so you can see him just highlighting him as a father first.
- [33:50]
Justin Andrews
Oh.
- [33:51]
Adam Schaefer
Which is just like. You never see stuff like that.
- [33:54]
Justin Andrews
That's cute, man. I love seeing stuff like that. Yeah, you gotta make it, we gotta make it cool for, for men to be good fathers.
- [34:03]
Adam Schaefer
Well, that's why like that never like Stafford has been in the league.
- [34:06]
Justin Andrews
Bring that back.
- [34:06]
Adam Schaefer
Stafford has been in the league There. That's the, that's the video.
- [34:09]
Justin Andrews
That's adorable.
- [34:10]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. Seeks gone viral. Right? So you know, again, a bit jaded, right? Because it's like this dude has probably been doing that for. He's been in the league for what, 10 plus years? Over 10 years. And he's. And I'm sure he's been a good father since day one. It's like. And now it gets, it's, now it's getting promoted and highlighted and we just didn't highlight that stuff. Yeah, I'm sure he's been kissing his, his wife and kids before games forever.
- [34:34]
Justin Andrews
I saw, look at that.
- [34:37]
Adam Schaefer
At 2:30 in the morning after he just got his ass, what a good man. His ass beat and in football. Right. So it's such a cool thing to highlight is like you, you, that, that, you know, for a football player getting beat in the NFC championship, right. That has got.
- [34:49]
Doug
Is, you know, crushing.
- [34:50]
Adam Schaefer
Right. It's got to be just to be that close to the championship to lose. And as long as he's been in the game for that's got to be so, so heartbreaking. But to still take the time and go kiss his, his daughter.
- [35:01]
Justin Andrews
That's. I saw, I saw a video the other day. Got me so emotional. It was this mom and she had her three little kids in the car and I think the oldest one was 12, maybe 11. And she goes, if you could have any wish right now, any wish at all, what would it be? Oh, no, sorry. It was a recording from their dad and their dad is stationed overseas. Hey kids. And he always makes videos for them. Hey kids. Love you guys. Or whatever. If you could have any wish, what would it be? And he goes, you know, to his daughter. 3, 2, 1, go. She goes, that you'd come home right now. 3, 2, 1, Go. And all of a sudden said, come home right now. And he goes, come to the airport. And it was a recording. They're like, what? Dad's home? And they just freak out and they start crying. We're going to see. It's like, oh, got me so much.
- [35:43]
Adam Schaefer
Oh, have you seen. I've. Those. Those. They make people make collages or whatever.
- [35:48]
Justin Andrews
They surprise.
- [35:48]
Adam Schaefer
They show that the dad's coming in from, like. And they surprise them and they're like.
- [35:53]
Doug
Yeah, they get you.
- [35:54]
Adam Schaefer
Those will get you teared.
- [35:55]
Justin Andrews
Gets me every single time.
- [35:58]
Adam Schaefer
But I just. It. It's cool to see that. It's unfortunate. It's. It's taken this time for that. Because that stuff that. I was having this conversation with someone else about another player that's being highlighted like that, and they're like, isn't he so cool? And I'm like, listen, not that long ago, Tim Tebow was doing some crazy cool stuff like that, but it was during the time when that wasn't cool. In fact, I remember what the media did to that guy. The media used to. We used to talk so much about him and what kind of football player he was.
- [36:28]
Justin Andrews
Terrible. And.
- [36:29]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. And the. The stuff that he was. What he stands for. And I mean, I don't know if you pay attention to him now. And.
- [36:34]
Justin Andrews
Oh, God, what he's doing now is incredible. Incredible. Yeah.
- [36:36]
Adam Schaefer
And he's been doing that consistently since he played.
- [36:38]
Doug
Color stopped.
- [36:39]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. And he's. He's been consistent. But the media, his storytelling around him has now finally come around and, like, feel like they're. They're highlighting him.
- [36:49]
Justin Andrews
That's good.
- [36:49]
Adam Schaefer
Where before they were constantly bashing. Oh, he's a terrible quarterback. And I can't believe we put in, like, just. His teammates loved him. Everybody loved being around him, but it was just like, we didn't. It's like, man, it's really sad to see, like, the. The way the media just shifts to, like, whatever. Whatever the temperature.
- [37:04]
Justin Andrews
Whatever's cool or whatever. Yeah.
- [37:05]
Doug
Yeah.
- [37:05]
Justin Andrews
Stay consistent. Yeah.
- [37:07]
Adam Schaefer
Hey, I. Off air. Just a little bit ago, I heard you telling Doug that you were doing the. The ketone, like, two to three times. Two to three times a day.
- [37:18]
Justin Andrews
I'm taking two or three a day.
- [37:20]
Adam Schaefer
Why so many.
- [37:21]
Doug
Focused, focused.
- [37:23]
Justin Andrews
It's so great. So I'll do one. I was doing one, and then when I was doing interviews, sometimes I would do two, but not consistently. Yeah, but, you know, they send them to us, so I got a whole bunch over here.
- [37:32]
Doug
So does this help? More because sometimes you used to not eat like in the morning. Right. Like since now that you're eating all the time, is this like a good, I, well, supplement?
- [37:42]
Justin Andrews
Well, ketones are a really good source of energy for the brain.
- [37:45]
Adam Schaefer
Well, okay, listen, we know, we know. We've all experienced the ketogenic diet. Okay. We all have agreed.
- [37:50]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. How did you guys feel? Ketogenic.
- [37:53]
Adam Schaefer
So this is where, this is where I'm going with this question. So we've all experienced that. I, we've all agreed. The mental clarity, sharpness that you get on the ketogenic diet is you can tell a difference. It's, it's measurable, you could tell a difference. How do you compare that, doing it that way to taking the supplement?
- [38:07]
Justin Andrews
Same.
- [38:08]
Adam Schaefer
Really?
- [38:08]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, same same. Mental.
- [38:09]
Adam Schaefer
Even with the amount of calories and carbs and everything you're eating right now. Really?
- [38:12]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. When you present, you present carbohydrates or ketones to the brain. The brain will use ketones right away. It is a fast first.
- [38:21]
Adam Schaefer
Even with this situation, it'll still use.
- [38:23]
Justin Andrews
I mean it uses both, it always uses a little both, but it goes for the. So you'll see it, it'll use it, it'll suck it up. It's a very quick, clean, burning energy. So for mental. It's not a stimulant. It's like taking caffeine. So like I drink it and then I'm like, oh, it's more like sharp.
- [38:39]
Adam Schaefer
No, I know, I mean, I know what it feels like to be on a ketogenic diet. And the best, One of the best parts about it was the mental clarity.
- [38:47]
Justin Andrews
You could.
- [38:48]
Adam Schaefer
We all have reported that back. It's wild to me that you can take a supplement that gives you.
- [38:53]
Justin Andrews
I'm definitely not on a ketogenic diet right now.
- [38:54]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, Exactly why I'm asking that. That's interesting.
- [39:01]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [39:02]
Sal Destefano
Wow.
- [39:02]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [39:03]
Adam Schaefer
And obviously you're okay to take three in a day. So it's.
- [39:07]
Justin Andrews
I think the max is three. I think that's what they say.
- [39:08]
Adam Schaefer
So like up to three. So I'm assuming it's like a four to six hour window type of deal.
- [39:12]
Justin Andrews
What do you mean for when you should like.
- [39:13]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, like how long it should.
- [39:14]
Justin Andrews
Oh, I'll go. So I'll take one when I get in. So that's usually around 9am I'll take one and then I'll take another one with lunch. So right around noon. And then if I do take a third one, it's around 3pm if you're.
- [39:29]
Adam Schaefer
Doing like a late Podcast or training?
- [39:31]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, because I'll get that energy. The two energy dips I get will be right after lunch or around 3 o'. Clock. If I get any, any energy dip.
- [39:39]
Adam Schaefer
It'S then would there be any benefit? Because since you're on a carbohydrate diet also like as a pre workout, so that all the carbs that you're intaking, food, food wise, is getting utilized for, for, for the training and then that your brain is using the ketones.
- [39:55]
Justin Andrews
I like the way it feels. The data on, it's interesting. Some data shows increased stamina, other data shows maybe not. I think if it makes you feel sharp like it does for me, I think it's a good thing. Yeah. Before my workout.
- [40:07]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [40:07]
Justin Andrews
But I'm so well fed. It's not like I lack energy. You know what I mean? Like when I'm working out, I have plenty of, of calories to use. Yeah, yeah. But pre, if I use it with my pre workout or part of my pre workout routine, I just feel very sharp.
- [40:21]
Adam Schaefer
Favorite flavor?
- [40:22]
Justin Andrews
Oh, I like the apple. The green one. It's really good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's. That one's the best one. Oh, it's really good. I gotta, I gotta talk to you guys about a new GLP1 propaganda scare that they've put up. There's all these articles coming out and they'll come up with names like Ozempic face or whatever. Okay. That's a real one, by the way. You know what it reminded me was what you were saying.
- [40:46]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [40:47]
Justin Andrews
When you were. When you were going through how you saw pictures of yourself and you're saying how your face looked. Yeah.
- [40:52]
Doug
So you're a lot of Hollywood actors. I've seen.
- [40:55]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. So what happens when you use. Lose a lot of weight if you don't do it right? In other words, you're not hitting high protein, lifting weights. You'll lose muscle too. And when you lose muscle, things will look different, will sag, more plot. But also there are places that you store body fat that when you lose the body fat, it's just gonna look different because you don't have as much body fat. So they have a new one called Ozempic vulva. Let me read.
- [41:16]
Adam Schaefer
Shut up.
- [41:17]
Justin Andrews
I feel like they're making stuff up though. But I'm gonna do you.
- [41:20]
Adam Schaefer
I could totally see that.
- [41:21]
Justin Andrews
Yep. What do you mean?
- [41:25]
Adam Schaefer
Tell me. You can't not picture that. That's a thing. Well, if it does it to your face, why would it not do it there? Well, of course it's Gonna do it there.
- [41:33]
Justin Andrews
Here's what it says. So. Yeah, I know, dude. So I'm like, what are they talking about? So, hold on. Pop up just came up. So basically it's talking about how it changes the way that it looks a little bit.
- [41:46]
Doug
Listen.
- [41:47]
Adam Schaefer
Okay, I.
- [41:47]
Justin Andrews
Hold on. Here's what it says.
- [41:48]
Doug
Yeah, let me hear this.
- [41:49]
Justin Andrews
Ozempic. Okay, here's what it says. Let me see. Sagging of the outer labia, weakness of the vaginal muscles, and dryness. You know what that's coming from? First off, if you get leaner, there's some body fat there that might change. But you're just so low calorie. Everybody, if your calories are so low, you're going to have vaginal dryness. Yeah, that's gonna happen.
- [42:08]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, I think you're gonna have weakness in the muscles. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, for. So the audience that. That didn't listen, I didn't realize how many people didn't know that I did that as like an experiment. I actually got messages like, why did you take Ozempic? And it's like, oh, if they. People didn't realize you did it so.
- [42:23]
Justin Andrews
You could talk about it.
- [42:24]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. I forget how many people that we always have that are coming in that are like new and then didn't know.
- [42:28]
Doug
That, didn't hear that.
- [42:30]
Adam Schaefer
So.
- [42:30]
Justin Andrews
No, you did. What you did was like legit brave. You. You went on it and you didn't try to keep muscle.
- [42:36]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [42:36]
Justin Andrews
You just lived your life and said, what would the normal. What would the average person do?
- [42:41]
Doug
My tendencies.
- [42:42]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. I'm not going to force feed myself. I'm just going to like what the average person would do. And I mean, predictably, you lost weight and a lot of muscle. Yeah.
- [42:50]
Adam Schaefer
And it's interesting because when I was in it, I knew it and I would. I documented, obviously talked about it. You don't see it as much until you kind of look back. So when I. I hate the pictures when our team sees you. So unfortunately, we had a photo shoot in the middle like, that I obviously planned for or think that was happening.
- [43:11]
Justin Andrews
Part of our PR package.
- [43:12]
Adam Schaefer
And so, like, it is a part of our PR package.
- [43:15]
Justin Andrews
So when I go do interviews on.
- [43:16]
Adam Schaefer
Other people's shows, it's a picture they use of, like, this is a terrible photo to represent our company.
- [43:22]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [43:22]
Adam Schaefer
That like, I have a stipping face. You know what I'm saying?
- [43:24]
Justin Andrews
So.
- [43:25]
Adam Schaefer
So it's a terrible. And I didn't realize how terrible it was till afterwards also. I probably would have made a big stink about it. I would have refused the photos that day. I would be like, no, I'm not taking photos for our business.
- [43:34]
Justin Andrews
Confident in the moment.
- [43:36]
Adam Schaefer
Weirdly, oddly delusional.
- [43:39]
Justin Andrews
But I remember when you were doing it, you were telling me how you would just forget to eat.
- [43:42]
Doug
Yeah.
- [43:43]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. All day.
- [43:44]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, all day. It was. It was. It was a chore to eat. It was. It was a chore. It was a chore to eat. It was a chore to eat. And. And I wasn't even trying to. It was like, oh, my God, I need to eat. I would eat anything all day. Like, it was. It's. It's crazy how powerful that is and then. And how quickly you can lose a lot of muscle, man, a lot of muscles.
- [44:02]
Justin Andrews
If you don't consciously try to keep the muscle. It's. It's just. It just starves you.
- [44:07]
Adam Schaefer
It also, I mean, because I did that before. Remember, I did it first, and then we also had the test group afterwards. And so the combination of me testing it then also us having that huge group of people that we. We went. We coached through it really gave me a really good insight on what I. And there. There is a. A huge number of people that are getting overdosed on it. Not overdose like you're gonna get die or anything like that, but it's like too high of a dosage that you don't want. You want it to quiet the noise. Right. You want it to stop the ice cream cravings at night.
- [44:44]
Justin Andrews
But the.
- [44:45]
Adam Schaefer
The prescribed dose, they just kind of blanket start everybody on. Sure. There's a percentage that that's just the right amount and it works perfect and it's just enough to quit noise. But there's a big percentage of people, and I. And I think there's something to do with the healthier you are and you use it, the more likely the dose, you're going to be sensitive to it.
- [45:06]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, I agree.
- [45:07]
Adam Schaefer
Because at least that's what I.
- [45:08]
Justin Andrews
So that's what Dr. Fitz told me. That's what Dr. Tina said. Dr. C. They all said that. That, like, the healthier you are, the more sensitive you are.
- [45:19]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. So the better you are metabolically already. And you use something like that. Super sensitive now. So. Which now makes sense to me why they came out with this kind of this. This blanket dosages because it's been around for 20 years. Used for diabetics and for obese people. And so probably the test size of like, oh, all these people need this. What they didn't realize was, oh, wow. All of a sudden, half of America is going to use it. And half of America is. It doesn't have that much metabolic dysfunction. And so it's like those people are taking way too high of a dose.
- [45:52]
Justin Andrews
And they're getting nauseous and just. Or eating way too little. It's way too strong. I know that, Justin. Micro do it because all of us wanted to experience it. You were super sensitive. Oh, man.
- [46:05]
Doug
I was. Yeah. Retching like I was.
- [46:07]
Justin Andrews
You literally were thrown up. Yeah, I.
- [46:09]
Doug
And I made the mistake of like. Like doing that right before we went on this, like, little mini vacation. And that was like, we'd go out to hike and this is in Palm Desert. And it was like, everybody's having fun. I'm just like, oh, I had no energy. Was just. Just in a bad place and puking like the whole time. And it was a very, very small dose.
- [46:28]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, dude. And that's crazy. Imagine if you went to the doctor and they gave you like a full dose. Yeah.
- [46:32]
Doug
If I did a full pen, like, who knows? Well, like a week of me wretching.
- [46:36]
Adam Schaefer
I've had family and friends that have. That tried it and they completely bail up because that. They're like, oh, my God. It made me feel miserable. And I'm like, well, you probably just. It's not it as much as it was the dose.
- [46:45]
Justin Andrews
Yep.
- [46:46]
Adam Schaefer
Your dose was probably way too high. I bet if you took a. A fraction of what you were. What you were prescribed, you probably wouldn't feel that way.
- [46:53]
Justin Andrews
That's why I like the compounding pharmacies better. You can. You could adjust your dose rather than the prescribed.
- [46:58]
Doug
So you guys remember there was like an experiment, famous one with rat utopia.
- [47:03]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [47:04]
Doug
I wanted to kind of bring up. There was like another one. I guess so.
- [47:07]
Justin Andrews
So this is the one where they. Where they took. Correct me if I'm wrong, Justin, they were the. There were old studies on addiction.
- [47:14]
Adam Schaefer
Oh, this was the cocaine. And they're like, they'll play. And if they give cocaine.
- [47:17]
Justin Andrews
This one, they created a great environment for rats. Give them access to drug. And the rats didn't become addicted because they were in a happy place rather than being depressed.
- [47:24]
Doug
Yeah. So that was the one I was familiar with. And I guess there was another one this. This guy did. He started out with like six rats and he had this huge compound, so plenty of space and room. And it doubled, I guess, the population like every 55 days or so. And it like, kept expanding and. And they were thriving because they kept giving them food and water and resources and. And they were there Was no like, animosity, like they were all kind of collaborating and, and it was just. There was all of a sudden there was this turning point after 315 days and they like replicated this experiment. It was like this weird, like, point where it just completely turned, where the population got to a certain size and degree and then all of a sudden they all turned on each other and then started dying off until, until everybody died off. And it was. I forget what they like concluded with that, but it was like so interesting to me.
- [48:20]
Justin Andrews
Is this Malthus? Doug, look him up. Is this a Malthusian study? Because they've tried to use this for, as a way to say that. Yes.
- [48:31]
Doug
Like population control.
- [48:32]
Adam Schaefer
Exactly.
- [48:32]
Doug
That's what I thought they were trying to push.
- [48:34]
Justin Andrews
Okay, so this might be an old study and they try. And this, these. Look it up. Make sure I'm saying it right. I think it's Malthus.
- [48:40]
Doug
Calhoun.
- [48:42]
Sal Destefano
Yeah, Calhoun.
- [48:43]
Doug
John Calhoun.
- [48:44]
Justin Andrews
John Calhoun. Okay, so maybe I'm wrong, but, but there was some similar studies where they were trying to say, we can't have more than this many people on Earth. We're going to run out of resources. We've got to kill people.
- [48:53]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [48:53]
Doug
They said the collapse of social roles. Young males were hyper aggressive, older males withdrawn and apathetic. Females stopped caring for their young. It wasn't just disorder. Society itself was unraveling the dangers of overcrowding.
- [49:08]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, humans are far. I know that mice are social. Humans are very. Are on another level of social. So what's happened is the population has grown as we've become better. We've got access to more resources. We tend to cooperate better.
- [49:27]
Adam Schaefer
Well, not, not only that, but.
- [49:29]
Justin Andrews
And we have way more space.
- [49:30]
Adam Schaefer
Like what I was just going to say, to replicate that kind of confinement, 350 rats were. How big of this rat utopia was it. Was it the size of the planet for humans? Like, because. No, you could fit all the humans in Texas.
- [49:43]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [49:43]
Doug
And so it was more like a city. Right?
- [49:45]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [49:46]
Doug
So feel to it.
- [49:47]
Adam Schaefer
Right. And so, you know, if it got that, that point where we overcrowded it. Well, we already see this.
- [49:52]
Justin Andrews
We already.
- [49:53]
Adam Schaefer
Naturally, you start to grow out into suburbs.
- [49:55]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [49:55]
Adam Schaefer
You know, there was a time when, you know, San Francisco was this little, you know, horse and buggy town, you know, and then it grows out. And that's natural. Right. And so I would imagine. Is that it right there?
- [50:05]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, that's it.
- [50:06]
Adam Schaefer
It don't look very big.
- [50:07]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. You know what you said, Adam, is. I forgot what the number was. But if you took every human on earth, put him in Texas with the, with the population density that's similar to like Hong Kong. So like, you know, it's a city you'd fit everybody in in Texas. I mean. Yeah.
- [50:24]
Doug
So to, to kind of remove it from that, that sort of new world order version where they're, they're trying to make the case that we're over, we're not overpopulated. Not even close. But like the condensed population areas, you do see like more crime. You do see because it's because of the natural friction interaction.
- [50:43]
Adam Schaefer
Sure.
- [50:43]
Doug
Is, is, you know, it compiles. So it's interesting to me just because I mean I've lived in both like in the city and then I'm. I'm more drawn towards like, you know, open land and area. So I have space and peace. But like some people do thrive in that environment though.
- [51:00]
Adam Schaefer
Well, we are, we're example this also because the United States is this massive melting pot in other countries where it's more homogenized. Right. You don't see as much of that.
- [51:10]
Sal Destefano
Right.
- [51:10]
Justin Andrews
Well, what's interesting to me.
- [51:11]
Adam Schaefer
So you have, you have all this diversity, so different morals, different values, different backgrounds, different everything. And then you shove them all in area of.
- [51:19]
Justin Andrews
Of course that's going down. Well, what's interesting to me is there's some cities like Tokyo. Tokyo is a dense city, you know, safe. Tokyo is in relationship.
- [51:29]
Adam Schaefer
That's what I'm saying, is how homogenized it is. Right?
- [51:31]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, that's true.
- [51:32]
Adam Schaefer
That's a total difference. Huge, huge difference.
- [51:35]
Doug
So we're unique in that aspect. I think we forget that a lot of times that we do have like very different cultures, like trying to integrate with each other, which is a beautiful thing.
- [51:44]
Adam Schaefer
It is hard. It's what makes the United States such a beautiful thing. But you also have to. That there's also. There's always another side.
- [51:50]
Justin Andrews
There's gonna be more friction.
- [51:51]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, yeah, of course there is.
- [51:52]
Justin Andrews
We don't all agree.
- [51:53]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, all the time.
- [51:54]
Doug
Yeah, yeah.
- [51:55]
Adam Schaefer
Which is a beautiful thing. But then it can create chaos and friction and you know what I'm saying? It's just like people, people want this like utopia, but. And, but yet also have all this diversity at the same time. And it's like that doesn't we? You, you get this many diverse people and you're going to have different values, different morals, different cultures, different ways of eating, different ways of everything. And so. And then you want to shove them in a, in a tiny little city and make them all.
- [52:24]
Justin Andrews
Expect them not to have any. Yeah, not any friction. Yeah, that's.
- [52:27]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, of course.
- [52:28]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, that's. That's a very good point. No, I got an article that I want to go over with these. I had this great conversation earlier with my cousins. I'm in a group thread with them. And they were making jokes. We were like teasing each other and they're making jokes about like, like meathead or like the, the myth of the, you know, the dumb jock. And so I was like, actually, if you look at the data, physical fitness is slightly associated with intelligence. In other words, it improves your cognitive function. So then of course, you know my brother who loves to, like, I don't know, he likes to make up arguments I'm not having. He's like, well, well, what about like Stephen Hawkins? You know, because he's like, you know, he's like stuck in the wheelchair devotee. Like I said, generally speaking, that's what the data shows. Since you pointed that out, I said extreme intelligence is actually more correlated with mental illness, which a lot of people don't know.
- [53:23]
Doug
It's right on the line.
- [53:24]
Justin Andrews
Anytime you go, the further you go outside of the averages, whether you go low intelligence or super high intelligence, you get higher rates of issues, mental issues. So I actually looked up seven correlations between high, high IQ and mental illness. And this, there's, here's the links. High IQ and anxiety disorders. That's higher. OCD with people who have IQ is higher. You have, let me see. Stress sensitivity is higher, so not as good with stress. Social awkwardness, higher rates of depression. So that's the fifth one. Let's see, the sixth one is. And then there's mental health challenges across the board with intelligent and emotional intensity. There's another one.
- [54:10]
Adam Schaefer
This is where the saying comes from. Ignorance is bliss.
- [54:13]
Justin Andrews
Or what is it? The crazy, the mad scientist. You know, that you never heard the mad. You know, if you heard the mad scientist.
- [54:18]
Adam Schaefer
Okay.
- [54:18]
Justin Andrews
Like the really smart, but kind of crazy.
- [54:21]
Adam Schaefer
Okay. Yeah.
- [54:21]
Justin Andrews
I mean, this is, I, I think this is true. I think anytime you move out, I know it's true. That's what the data shows. But anytime you, you meet anybody who's out so far outside of the average, there's going to be some.
- [54:32]
Doug
Well, you're thinking of. Yeah, exactly. Those outliers. But you could think of that even in the physical, all of it pretty pursuit, right? Like super giant Michael Jordan or whatever. Like in terms of. You're trying to look at a balanced person. He's not balanced, you know, so yeah. And so there's going to be a lot of deficits that, you know, they're sort of just allocating all their efforts in this one particular.
- [54:56]
Justin Andrews
And it's not just that, it's also genetics. Like if someone's genetically huge, their life expectancy is lower. If you look at the data on that, like really, really big people, they just don't live as long. Really, really small people also don't live as long. So there's that. And it's like that with intelligence. If you.
- [55:11]
Adam Schaefer
What is it, what is it with our infatuation as humans though to. To admire and idolize those people. Right. Like whether it be the athlete or.
- [55:20]
Justin Andrews
The cuz they do things that we can't.
- [55:22]
Doug
Yeah.
- [55:23]
Justin Andrews
And we put a.
- [55:23]
Doug
Out of reach. Yeah. Because we're. Yeah. If you're. If we're trying to balance it all, we're never going to get to like that level in degree unless you sacrifice.
- [55:32]
Justin Andrews
I mean, I don't know how you can't see a guy like Elon Musk in an interview and not see. Obviously he can produce like nobody else. Yeah. But he's tormented. You can tell.
- [55:41]
Doug
Oh yeah.
- [55:42]
Justin Andrews
He said it. He said himself. He can't get his mind to shut off.
- [55:45]
Adam Schaefer
I mean, Peterson was the same way too.
- [55:46]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [55:47]
Adam Schaefer
See that in him too. Just like. Yeah. I mean that level. I mean imagine. Okay. Jordan Peterson hanging out with us is like you hanging out with a bunch of kindergarteners all the time. Like a cute. A cute. A cute and fun for a little one. Yeah, but it's just like. No, but serious. Trying to have like real conversation. Think of that. I mean that's a good, that's a good example of like you guys use some snacks.
- [56:11]
Justin Andrews
Imagine.
- [56:12]
Adam Schaefer
Imagine trying to have highly intelligent conversation with a bunch of kindergarteners all the time.
- [56:18]
Justin Andrews
All the time.
- [56:18]
Adam Schaefer
All the time. That's what he has to feel like.
- [56:20]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. I think you're probably also a finger paint with them. You're also probably analyzing all the time. Self analyzing and, and overthinking everything.
- [56:28]
Adam Schaefer
Of course. Yeah.
- [56:29]
Justin Andrews
It's got to be. Or if you're like hyper productive, you can never like relax.
- [56:33]
Doug
Yeah.
- [56:33]
Justin Andrews
You know, I mean. Hey, let's just chill. No, I gotta go. No, no, no, no.
- [56:35]
Doug
I have a million things to do.
- [56:37]
Adam Schaefer
So it's Elon Musk and like the level of self importance. So you feel like you have to do something so great or grand. Right. It's like you can't just have a good old normal life.
- [56:47]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. Addiction's higher. And people who are way Outside on the high end of intelligence.
- [56:52]
Doug
Sure.
- [56:52]
Adam Schaefer
Trying to escape that mind.
- [56:53]
Justin Andrews
Just.
- [56:54]
Adam Schaefer
It's a break for them.
- [56:55]
Justin Andrews
You know, I want to. So we look at things and we're like. I wish I was like that. I don't know if you would.
- [57:00]
Doug
Yeah, I don't know.
- [57:00]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, I've always said that about people like that are so. That again, that idolize the, the athletes, the rock stars. It's like you think that, but it's like look at, look at all the drug addiction, suicide, depression in the, in the, in that group.
- [57:14]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [57:14]
Adam Schaefer
It's like they're, they, they're height, they're hyper. They dedicate their entire life for that one thing because they have to. Yeah. And you know, it's a. I, I do, I do admire though the occasional athlete or rock star or uber famous person that does seem to have a good head on their shoulders because it's so. That's so.
- [57:35]
Doug
That is really rare.
- [57:36]
Adam Schaefer
So rare.
- [57:36]
Doug
Yeah.
- [57:37]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [57:37]
Doug
It's funny because I, I was listening to. And I've listened to a few like rock stars on podcasts or you know, and it, it's funny because you'll, you'll get somebody who got famous really early and they're just like a teenager and they, the. Even now today they're like 50 something years old and they're, they act just like a teenager still in the way that they talk and like everything and it's, it's just funny. But yeah, they're literally like arrested development. It stopped right there.
- [58:06]
Justin Andrews
I wonder what the.
- [58:07]
Adam Schaefer
I wonder what the unlock for the person that like. So I'll give it like. And I don't claim to have any idea what someone like Steph Curry is his personal life. But he seems to have this. He plays the game with so much joy and happiness. He doesn't seem to let anything get him. He doesn't get caught up in a lot of the political stuff. He's. He's got a really good balance, a really good attitude. I wonder what it is that's unique about him and his. And he's. And I would put him. He's a 1% right. Very, very like top like that. He looks. And to me, Tom Brady seems more tortured. Like Tom Brady had. Was also like that, but seems a little more tortured.
- [58:43]
Justin Andrews
It's hard to read though, because you guys remember Tiger Woods. Remember how balanced he seemed to. He seemed so balanced until everything came out. And then you're like, whoa, dude, I don't think so.
- [58:54]
Doug
Trying to think if I remember him being.
- [58:56]
Justin Andrews
Remember he Was like super calm.
- [59:00]
Adam Schaefer
He played a sport that forced this level of like composure.
- [59:04]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [59:04]
Adam Schaefer
So I, so I see where.
- [59:06]
Justin Andrews
But he seems so. Remember when everything came out, it was shocked.
- [59:08]
Doug
Everybody was shocked. But yeah, I kind of.
- [59:10]
Adam Schaefer
I don't know.
- [59:12]
Justin Andrews
I get it. Yeah.
- [59:13]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. Okay, buddy.
- [59:16]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [59:17]
Adam Schaefer
I mean, I, I'm never shocked by when the stuff comes out for athletes. And that's why too, I'm like, I don't claim to, to know enough of Steph Curry, but he, he, he comes off to me as that he's got a, like a better head on his shoulders with all the fame, the attention. I mean, you're talking about one of the most world famous athletes right now and has this level of joy. Doesn't look like he's tortured, has this love of the game, whether they're winning or losing. He's laughing, he's having a good time. I don't know, it's like. But a lot of them don't seem that way. A lot of them seem like they are locked in. Like Tiger woods looked locked into me. Like Tom Brady looked locked in. But you, like, obviously that guy's personal life was in shambles, you know, divorce and everything that didn't go well for him. And who knows how tortured he was like, or still is.
- [60:01]
Justin Andrews
Speaking of arrested development, you guys ever run into like an older guy that you could tell he was super cool in the 80s, didn't change?
- [60:10]
Doug
Yes.
- [60:10]
Justin Andrews
Dude, there's this dude. Hey, listen, I'm not gonna say too much because I don't want, I don't want him to hear here and like. But there's this guy, this place that I go to sometimes, this dude that works there. And bro, he looks like Def Leppard. But he's, he's in his late 50s, though. I mean, hair like Def Leppard, dresses like Def Leppard. Yeah. I bet he drives an iroc. I bet you if I were to look at his car and I'm like, this dude for sure was cool at.
- [60:32]
Adam Schaefer
One point and just didn't get stayed there.
- [60:34]
Justin Andrews
He's got the straight long blonde hair.
- [60:36]
Doug
Like, I'm like, dude, he's cool like every 20 years.
- [60:39]
Justin Andrews
No, he was cycle.
- [60:40]
Adam Schaefer
Like, there's not a part of you that identifies with that. No.
- [60:45]
Justin Andrews
I was never cool. So I don't care. I'm not stuck because I was.
- [60:54]
Adam Schaefer
I got friends like that. I got, I got friends. Yeah, I have a lot of friends. Yeah, I got friends that we, We've been friends since we were kids. And I'm like, Bro, you. Hey, I. I had one of my. This is. This is. True story right here. True story. This is like. This just happened. One of the. We were up at. We were staying at Truckee. He was up there with me. This is like, one of my childhood friends. I won't sell which one, but I. You know who you are. He knows, right? So I go, bro, you wore those pants in high.
- [61:18]
Justin Andrews
Our high school. The same pants. Same pants.
- [61:20]
Doug
Yeah.
- [61:20]
Adam Schaefer
And he's like, oh, yeah, man.
- [61:22]
Doug
They still.
- [61:22]
Adam Schaefer
They're still going. I'm like, bro, high school.
- [61:26]
Justin Andrews
I'm like, you were in our mid-40s, dog.
- [61:31]
Adam Schaefer
They were cargo pants.
- [61:33]
Justin Andrews
The same exact one.
- [61:34]
Adam Schaefer
Yes.
- [61:34]
Justin Andrews
Say they were.
- [61:35]
Adam Schaefer
I've got pictures with me in high school with him with those.
- [61:38]
Justin Andrews
And he admitted.
- [61:39]
Adam Schaefer
Yes, I still got him.
- [61:40]
Justin Andrews
Wow.
- [61:41]
Adam Schaefer
Yes. He's around the same size. He hasn't changed in size, really? Give or take ten pounds.
- [61:46]
Justin Andrews
That's hilarious.
- [61:47]
Doug
I have a friend who, like, he'll just. The same jokes I've heard since, like, junior high, you know, like, and they're all revolved around, like, Beavis and Butthead and like, like, stuff like that. It's like, that was relevant. Way outdated. Yeah. You're just like, look over, like, you. Really. We're still gonna use that joke, you know, and. Oh, man.
- [62:04]
Adam Schaefer
Well, you have. I bet you have what I have too. Another. I have another buddy who does. Who's this? Who's like, who peaked in high school.
- [62:09]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [62:10]
Adam Schaefer
So still tells.
- [62:11]
Justin Andrews
Those are the stories.
- [62:12]
Adam Schaefer
That's all we talk about together. That's it. And I love to do that when I haven't done it in, like, years. We all get together and it's like, oh, man, we're telling old, old stories. But it's like, if I talk to him through the year, it's still, you know, he's like, talking about, like, us playing basketball. Pick up basketball, like, 30 years ago.
- [62:29]
Justin Andrews
You remember that?
- [62:30]
Doug
He's mad at me for not remembering.
- [62:32]
Justin Andrews
Or he.
- [62:32]
Adam Schaefer
He tells me who. He tells me who I am. I'm like, bro, we haven't really kicked it in, like, 30 years.
- [62:37]
Justin Andrews
I'm so different than what I was. Yeah, I know you.
- [62:40]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, you really knew me when I was 16.
- [62:42]
Justin Andrews
You know what I'm saying? But I'm a little different than that. It's not like he. Like, Uncle Rico syndrome. Oh, totally, man.
- [62:49]
Adam Schaefer
And I'm like, oh, my boy is just like.
- [62:51]
Justin Andrews
He's.
- [62:51]
Adam Schaefer
He's stuck in that.
- [62:52]
Justin Andrews
That's a guy thing. I don't think women do. Women don't do that. Huh. They just. They definitely change.
- [62:56]
Adam Schaefer
Why you look at Doug to see if Doug has.
- [62:58]
Sal Destefano
I have no idea.
- [62:59]
Adam Schaefer
He's like, do women do that, Doug? I'll have to ask Katrina that. That's a good, good question. Because I know she still. She still stays in touch with a lot of her friends that she grew up with.
- [63:08]
Doug
Yeah, that's a good question. I don't know if I know any women like that that are kind of frozen like in that.
- [63:13]
Adam Schaefer
So why would.
- [63:13]
Justin Andrews
Why. Why would.
- [63:14]
Adam Schaefer
Why would we do that but not girls?
- [63:16]
Justin Andrews
I don't know.
- [63:17]
Doug
Well, I don't know.
- [63:17]
Adam Schaefer
What is it about us that does that?
- [63:18]
Doug
You know, the hair bear thing?
- [63:20]
Adam Schaefer
I've seen that.
- [63:21]
Doug
Like, I've seen some ladies that are in that. And then like the.
- [63:24]
Justin Andrews
Oh, actually, no, that's actually not the leotards. No, there's some. There's some people.
- [63:28]
Doug
Fashion wise, I think there's some people.
- [63:30]
Justin Andrews
We know that we'll run into. And I'm like, yeah, she can't dress like that anymore.
- [63:35]
Adam Schaefer
Well, that's.
- [63:35]
Justin Andrews
She's a mom in her 40s now.
- [63:37]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [63:37]
Justin Andrews
Like, it's time to hang it up.
- [63:39]
Doug
They don't change.
- [63:39]
Adam Schaefer
That's different to me because there's. So that happens to a lot of both men and women where that. You just. You were never really into style, so you just get stuck in a style again. I think you can relate to this, right?
- [63:50]
Doug
Again.
- [63:50]
Adam Schaefer
Stop.
- [63:52]
Justin Andrews
I mean, you don't.
- [63:53]
Adam Schaefer
You don't. You don't care. You don't care. You didn't care then, you don't care now. You're like. I feel like that's. That's female version of that. Who. She just. She found one. She found a hairstyle and, and, and leotards that she good in. She got a compliment. She got. Yeah, she got a compliment 30 years ago. She's still rocking it. Nobody.
- [64:12]
Justin Andrews
Like the leg war.
- [64:14]
Adam Schaefer
The fact that you're bringing this up right now, when I went to. I went to that Rob Snider thing in Bakersfield, of all places, I watched that setup, and there was a lot of that in there.
- [64:21]
Doug
Oh, wow.
- [64:22]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, there was a lot of that. Yeah, there was a lot of that in there. And I was like, oh, yeah.
- [64:25]
Justin Andrews
Wasn't there like a bar around here that was like, famous for, like, like middle to late middle aged people meeting up who were single? Wasn't there like a bar? It was like the Blue something. Have you guys heard of this before? It was around here. God, I can't remember the name of it, but apparently it's like, people in their late 40s and 50s.
- [64:48]
Sal Destefano
I actually did go, what? The Blue Pheasant.
- [64:52]
Adam Schaefer
The Blue Pheasant. How did you.
- [64:54]
Sal Destefano
I don't want to call this person out, but somebody I know invited me to go one time, and it was the only time I went.
- [65:02]
Justin Andrews
It's like a pickup joint around here for people in their, like, 40s and 50s.
- [65:07]
Adam Schaefer
So there's. There's one up towards. There's one that's for, like, Cougar Town or something. There's a cougar one that's up in. Oh, my God.
- [65:16]
Justin Andrews
Of course. You know this.
- [65:17]
Adam Schaefer
I. Yeah, you were going there in.
- [65:19]
Justin Andrews
Your 20s when you.
- [65:24]
Adam Schaefer
I was in hunting.
- [65:25]
Justin Andrews
I'm batting a thousand. You guys. Check this out.
- [65:27]
Adam Schaefer
When you're 20, a cougar is, like, 30. You know what I'm saying?
- [65:30]
Doug
What's the grandma version of cougar?
- [65:34]
Adam Schaefer
I can't think of the place right now.
- [65:35]
Justin Andrews
I. It's.
- [65:35]
Adam Schaefer
The name is slipping. There's a. There's a bar that's. It's. No, it's known, and it's.
- [65:39]
Justin Andrews
I think I know what you're talking about. Yeah.
- [65:41]
Adam Schaefer
If I said it, you would know. I get. It's like, it's above Sunnyvale, towards Mountain View, heading that way, Palo Alto area, that direction. I can't think of the name of it right now, but it'll come.
- [65:48]
Justin Andrews
Doug, look at Blue Pheasant. I want to see.
- [65:49]
Adam Schaefer
I didn't know that was a thing.
- [65:50]
Justin Andrews
I never heard that. Yeah, it's like a bar.
- [65:52]
Adam Schaefer
I didn't tell us about it, so.
- [65:53]
Justin Andrews
I had a. Yeah.
- [65:54]
Adam Schaefer
Like, what kind of people?
- [65:56]
Sal Destefano
I did go. I mean, I went one time, and it's been a very long time ago.
- [66:00]
Adam Schaefer
It's here. It's here.
- [66:02]
Sal Destefano
Yeah. I think it's an older place. And then, of course, there's just a lot of people there. It wasn't my scene at all.
- [66:08]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [66:08]
Doug
Just so you know.
- [66:10]
Justin Andrews
For you, Doug. Yeah.
- [66:11]
Sal Destefano
Too old for me.
- [66:17]
Justin Andrews
I want to see if this place looks. Yeah. Can I see this? I want to see. I just remember I had a client.
- [66:21]
Adam Schaefer
I didn't even know I had a.
- [66:22]
Justin Andrews
Client who he had gotten recently divorced. And let me think, at the time, he was, like, 42, and he's like, yeah, dude, I started dating again. It's like. He's like. I got. I went to the place called the Blue Pheasant. He told me all about it. He goes, it was terrible. I couldn't believe what it's all about. I just. I forgot. I just stuck in my head yeah. Did you find it?
- [66:39]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, I did. I'm trying to cast it.
- [66:41]
Justin Andrews
Oh, I gotta see these pictures. Look at this.
- [66:42]
Sal Destefano
I mean, it's just pictures of the location. It is kind of.
- [66:46]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [66:46]
Justin Andrews
It's like.
- [66:46]
Sal Destefano
I say it's a bit dated. Let's just say that.
- [66:49]
Adam Schaefer
Where. Where at?
- [66:50]
Justin Andrews
But I mean, like, I don't know, Sunnyvale or someplace. I think my client said they, like, go hard in there. Dude.
- [66:56]
Sal Destefano
Oh, I think it's serious because I know this person invited me had met one or two people there.
- [67:01]
Justin Andrews
Wow. Yeah. Well, we just gave.
- [67:03]
Adam Schaefer
And so that's like.
- [67:04]
Justin Andrews
It's like.
- [67:04]
Adam Schaefer
It's known as a spot where like. It's like a pickup hunting grounds that.
- [67:08]
Justin Andrews
People like, who are like, late, middle aged. Yeah.
- [67:11]
Adam Schaefer
Can you scroll? Does it actually say that? Does it, like, say anything?
- [67:14]
Sal Destefano
I don't know if that's.
- [67:15]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. The Blue.
- [67:16]
Justin Andrews
Look at the ratings. Oh, they got good ratings. We should read the reviews.
- [67:19]
Adam Schaefer
I know. I want to see.
- [67:20]
Sal Destefano
Oh, it's in Cupertino.
- [67:22]
Justin Andrews
Oh, wow.
- [67:23]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [67:23]
Justin Andrews
We're gonna get sponsored.
- [67:24]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, maybe. Maybe the Blue Pheasant. I never heard of this.
- [67:28]
Justin Andrews
That's great.
- [67:29]
Adam Schaefer
I'm trying to remember right now the name. I just sent a text message to see if I can get the name of the one that I was talking.
- [67:33]
Doug
About because it's grapes and wrinkles.
- [67:34]
Justin Andrews
You for sure went to it. I did it.
- [67:36]
Adam Schaefer
I did. Yes, you did. I did it. I didn't go.
- [67:37]
Justin Andrews
That's so your style, dude. Stupid.
- [67:39]
Adam Schaefer
It's not my style. You get me in trouble right now. Hey, what's a cougar for me? Now I'm.
- [67:47]
Justin Andrews
Well, no, at the 44. That's our. I mean, we're going to piss people off. Stop it. They don't have names for guys that are, like, disparaging, do they?
- [67:56]
Doug
For older guys that are.
- [67:57]
Justin Andrews
What are we called? Nothing. Dilf. Oh. Oh, great. What is it called?
- [68:03]
Doug
Sugar Daddy?
- [68:03]
Justin Andrews
Silver Fox?
- [68:04]
Adam Schaefer
Silver Fox?
- [68:05]
Justin Andrews
Silver Fox. That's the one. That sounds good. Yeah.
- [68:08]
Adam Schaefer
That's not disparaging. Is cougars disparaging? Yes.
- [68:11]
Justin Andrews
Dude, if you called a woman a cougar, she'd slap you.
- [68:13]
Doug
No, no.
- [68:14]
Justin Andrews
Yes, she would.
- [68:15]
Adam Schaefer
No, no, no, no, no.
- [68:16]
Justin Andrews
We're gonna get so many comments.
- [68:18]
Adam Schaefer
You think that's disparaging?
- [68:19]
Justin Andrews
Yes, dude.
- [68:20]
Adam Schaefer
I think it's like silver fox.
- [68:21]
Justin Andrews
No, no, no woman wants to be called a cougar for sure.
- [68:25]
Adam Schaefer
If she is in that age range, she's pursuing young guys. She's not ashamed of that.
- [68:31]
Justin Andrews
No.
- [68:32]
Adam Schaefer
That means she's got enough game to get younger guys. That's not a slide, bro.
- [68:35]
Justin Andrews
It's. First of all, you don't need a lot of game to get younger guys. Younger guys are just down.
- [68:39]
Adam Schaefer
Well, now you're sliding them.
- [68:40]
Justin Andrews
No, that's just a guy about. That's just about guys. I mean, that's just the thing about cougar is a new linking aging, and most women object to the word cougar due to its predatory and forceful connotation. Oh, yeah, see, look up silver fox.
- [68:55]
Adam Schaefer
Does that come up?
- [68:57]
Justin Andrews
Is good.
- [68:57]
Adam Schaefer
Dude, I. I don't think cougar is bad either.
- [69:00]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, I don't think they'd want to.
- [69:01]
Doug
Be called mature lady.
- [69:03]
Justin Andrews
You know, I don't think you call them anything. Okay, you guys, what do we call them?
- [69:09]
Adam Schaefer
Hey, there's a. There's a name for 45 to 50 year old women that pick up 20 year old dudes.
- [69:13]
Justin Andrews
Look. No, the term silver fox is generally not considered disparaging.
- [69:17]
Adam Schaefer
Just because it's guys.
- [69:18]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, because that's what I'm saying.
- [69:19]
Doug
Well, because guys don't care.
- [69:20]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, Silver fox is like, oh, you're a hot older guy. Yeah. Yeah.
- [69:24]
Adam Schaefer
I'm gonna have to ask Katrina this. I don't think she.
- [69:25]
Justin Andrews
I don't. I dare you to call her one this.
- [69:29]
Adam Schaefer
I make age jokes all the time. She's one year. Yeah, because she's one year older than me. I always point it out.
- [69:34]
Justin Andrews
She can take it.
- [69:34]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [69:35]
Doug
Cradle robber.
- [69:37]
Adam Schaefer
Katrina's the oldest here. That's what you do. I do. I do.
- [69:42]
Justin Andrews
That's my older wife. What a jerk. What a jerk.
- [69:47]
Adam Schaefer
You know why I get away with it? Because she looks so young. She looks younger.
- [69:50]
Justin Andrews
People think you guys. You guys are also so tight.
- [69:53]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, I know. She's like. Well, she's a little tired tomboy like that, you know for sure.
- [69:56]
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- [70:54]
Sal Destefano
First question is from Functional Health. Jen, how do you know if you're getting actual muscle gain or CNS adaptation? I've been lifting for over 10 years.
- [71:03]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, good question. You can't separate them. So if you build muscle that isn't connected to CNS adaptation, you have dead muscle, so you really can't separate. Now I think what the question is is how do I know if I'm actually just gaining muscle or just getting stronger? Because you can get stronger without gaining muscle because muscles are firing better together.
- [71:28]
Adam Schaefer
A body fat test would solve this.
- [71:30]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, yeah, DEXA scan.
- [71:32]
Adam Schaefer
I mean if you, if you, if you're asking a question as in depth as this is, did I get a CNS adaptation or did I build muscle? I mean you could easily solve that by testing with a DEXA scan before and then go on your program, whatever you're planning to do and then measure it again. And then, and if you got stronger and you put lean body mass on, you're building muscle. If you, if you did stayed the same or got less, then it's, and, but yet you saw yourself get stronger than, than you're seeing.
- [71:55]
Justin Andrews
This brings up a good thing that, you know, strength gains are always both. In fact, when you first start strength training, you get rapid strength gains in most of that CNS adapation. So like the first few months of training when you see like crazy, this is the beginner gains. Right. Like I could take a client who, you know, has trouble doing, you know, 15 body weight squats and in three months we're barbell squatting with, you know, 75 pounds. Like that's a tremendous strength gain. Most of that is cns. They're going to build some muscle, but most of it's a central nervous system adaptation initially, but anytime you get stronger, it's both. It's not just bigger, stronger muscle fibers, it's also a central nervous system adaptation along with it.
- [72:37]
Doug
Yeah, that used to confuse me a bit because I used to see like some of these guys that could do like superhuman feats where they're so strong and, but they weren't huge jacked guys. Like they were pretty wiry and. But it was that central nervous system access in the way that they could recruit and really, you know, generate that kind of force up.
- [72:58]
Justin Andrews
You know, it's a good example of this is, is his name Anatoly?
- [73:02]
Doug
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
- [73:04]
Justin Andrews
Have you seen that guy that dresses like a janitor?
- [73:06]
Adam Schaefer
Try to get him on the show.
- [73:07]
Justin Andrews
So he's obviously lean and muscular, but if he puts like long sleeve clothes on.
- [73:12]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, if he looks baggy clothes on.
- [73:13]
Justin Andrews
He doesn't looks like a skinny dude. Yeah. And he comes out, I'm sure people have seen him and he does these videos where he's acting like he's a janitor and there's bodybuilders deadlifting 500 pounds. And he comes over, oh, could you mind if I try? And everybody's like, you can't. And he like reps it out. Like that's a good example of CNS power.
- [73:28]
Adam Schaefer
Oh yeah, no, for sure.
- [73:29]
Sal Destefano
Next question is from the Duck Coffee Company. You've mentioned the bi weekly method for strength training and cardio for best results. If you were to juggle between two MAPS programs with this method, which two would you bounce between for someone who just genuinely enjoys the benefits of both?
- [73:48]
Justin Andrews
So this is. So this comes from a study that I brought up a while ago that was really interesting to us but also not surprising. And I love when I read a study that blows my mind but then also makes me realize, oh yeah, this would definitely be the case just based off my experience. So what the study did is it compared three different ways of training and the goal was to develop both stamina and strength. So method one was you combine both in the same workout. So strength train and then do something for stamina in the same workout. The second method, which is what most people do, is they'll have a day dedicated to strength and then a day dedicated to stamina and then a day dedicated in the same week. Yeah, the other, the third way was what was every other week. So you're just, just strength training this week and then next week just endurance training. And what they found at the end of the study was that the third method resulted in better strength and endurance gains. It had better combination gains than the other two methods. Second place was the one that alternated the days. And the worst one was when you combine them all in one workout. This makes perfect sense. Makes perfect sense. And so the question is, which two MAPS programs? First off, I would say any MAPS program would be good for the strength training phase, especially through something like Maps Anabolic or Map Symmetry or Map Strong or Maps Power Lift. On the other week, if you don't choose something you enjoy doing and having fun doing, which I think is the best option. The other option would be like Maps.
- [75:14]
Doug
Hit or Maps Cardio or you know, the phase Four of performance.
- [75:20]
Justin Andrews
That's right.
- [75:20]
Adam Schaefer
Oh, I would choose the. A cardio modality that I like.
- [75:23]
Justin Andrews
That's what I would. That's.
- [75:24]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. Play basketball. Go Smartest.
- [75:26]
Justin Andrews
Way to go.
- [75:27]
Adam Schaefer
Do the Stairmaster elliptical, whatever. The thing is that you like to go for better outside.
- [75:31]
Justin Andrews
Yep.
- [75:32]
Adam Schaefer
Runs. Whatever.
- [75:32]
Justin Andrews
Make it fun.
- [75:33]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, yeah. Do something you enjoy doing. And. And if you can get outside, I would get out.
- [75:38]
Justin Andrews
So I'm totally toying with this idea and I'm gonna. I'm putting it out there not because I said I'm gonna do it, so everybody calm down, but because I'm playing with the idea. I'm trying to get my mind wrapped around it. And what's motivating me is actually Corrine's journey. So watching Corrine reverse diet talk about how challenging it was, I'm like, you know what? My trainer can do this. Like, I'm, you know, I gotta be able to give this a shot. So I'm so attached to muscle and building strength and building muscle, and it's not healthy and it's too far. So I'm toying with this idea. But every other week for me is gonna look like what you just said, something fun.
- [76:07]
Adam Schaefer
I mean, I'm, I'm. I hope you do it because I'm actually so interested to see.
- [76:10]
Justin Andrews
Just to see what it does.
- [76:11]
Adam Schaefer
To see what it does.
- [76:12]
Doug
Yeah. The result of it.
- [76:13]
Adam Schaefer
Because I. I think.
- [76:14]
Justin Andrews
I predict I'll lose. I predict my body weight.
- [76:16]
Doug
Makes perfect sense, but it does. I want to see somebody actually apply it for sure.
- [76:20]
Justin Andrews
Well, I'm so extreme in the build. Building. And I've been too extreme for so long. I'm. I'm sure I'm going to lose some muscle. There's no way that I won't lose some. But that's okay. But I think my body weight will probably fall somewhere around 210. That's my. I. That's what I think.
- [76:32]
Adam Schaefer
Oh, I don't think you're going to lose that much.
- [76:34]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [76:34]
Adam Schaefer
I don't really. No.
- [76:35]
Justin Andrews
All right.
- [76:36]
Adam Schaefer
No, no, no. I don't think.
- [76:37]
Justin Andrews
Well, when I start it. Let's talk.
- [76:38]
Adam Schaefer
I think, I think. I think you're going to be. You're going to have similar. You're going to be similar. Similarly. Surprise. Similarly.
- [76:44]
Justin Andrews
Similarly.
- [76:45]
Adam Schaefer
Similarly. Thank you. Surprise. As you were when you went to Mass 15 and member. Probably thought you would probably. And you end up gaining.
- [76:54]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [76:55]
Adam Schaefer
I think you're going to lose little to no muscle, but you're going to build some endurance and stamina and maybe you lean out a little bit, Maybe you do that. Yeah. I think you're gonna be surprised at how good you are.
- [77:05]
Doug
You go back to those 15 reps, and it'll be fine.
- [77:08]
Sal Destefano
Next question is from Extracelestrial. What are some exercises I can do as someone with scoliosis? I want to get back into strength training.
- [77:17]
Justin Andrews
So I picked this question because almost every single time we have the, you know, ask us a question thing on Instagram, there's almost always a scoliosis question. Always, like, somebody's always asking this question.
- [77:30]
Doug
I've trained one. I'm sure you guys have.
- [77:32]
Justin Andrews
Of course. So here's the deal. So some people would say, just do unilateral. Just do, like, a program like map symmetry. I don't think that's the right answer. I think that's part of the right answer. I think unilateral training should be a lot of your training, but you should also do bilateral, even though you have scoliosis. Why? Because in the real world, you're gonna be doing bilateral stuff.
- [77:53]
Adam Schaefer
Well, this is actually why I think symmetry as a program is a per program.
- [77:56]
Justin Andrews
It has all of it, because it has.
- [77:58]
Adam Schaefer
That is. You've got great isometrics in there to start it off. You've got great unilateral for the bulk of the program. And in the last phase, you do some bilateral. I mean, this person should live in symmetry, to be honest with you. Yeah, that's a great program to just recycle over and over.
- [78:11]
Justin Andrews
But the bilateral part, everybody's like, well, if I do bilateral, I'm gonna. I'm gonna compensate. We have to compensate. That's the point. You need to compensate because your. Your. Your. Your spine is. Is curved in a particular way that's not balanced. You have to. Otherwise it's gonna be hard to function in the real world. So. You're absolutely right. I forgot about that last phase. Yeah.
- [78:28]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, that's. Asymmetry is the most beautiful program for this person and to just keep running. Like, we don't always say this with programs. With people, it's good to move in and out. But this person, that. That's an ideal type. That's. I mean, if I was training them and that's how I'd be running through their stuff is. We do a lot of unilateral stuff. We'd occasionally challenge some bilateral stuff, then get back to unilateral stuff.
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Justin Andrews
Perfect.
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Sal Destefano
Next question is from K. Girl.
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Justin Andrews
Girl.
- [78:49]
Sal Destefano
725. What is a good age to introduce weight training for kids? I have 10 and 7 year old girls who do recreational sports as soon as they're interested.
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Doug
Yeah.
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Justin Andrews
100 training is appropriate if they want to do it and they're having fun with it.
- [79:04]
Adam Schaefer
That's the key to me right here. Right.
- [79:05]
Doug
Just be fun and engaging.
- [79:06]
Adam Schaefer
I think, I think the, the mistake that people who probably listen to our podcast because I think, or that puts you in a minority of the population that are into fitness, like working out, you know? You know, and you want your kids to get into it. The, the mistake is they have no interest in it yet and you're trying to have them do it. Now if they're asking like, dad, I want to work out or I mean, awesome, let's go. And, and honestly just, I mean, I like tools like suspension trainer. That's going to really challenge stability. It's fun, it's easy for them to use, it's safe. You know, if you feel confident with teaching mechanics though, I mean, I would not. If my son wanted a barbell back squat at, you know, eight, I would. If he wanted to try, like, I would 100. If he was interested. Yeah, yeah, if they were interested.
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Doug
But, but the thing was, it wasn't about reps. It wasn't about structure.
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Justin Andrews
No.
- [80:00]
Doug
It was about interest. And it was also about learning. And so, you know, every time I would just use as an opportunity to sharpen whatever they were doing and make sure they felt where they needed to feel. And they're like, yeah, if they wanted to add a little more weight or like challenge themselves a bit, I would.
- [80:16]
Justin Andrews
And.
- [80:16]
Doug
And then we would move on. And it was cool because it's, it is, it's just their interest leads it.
- [80:22]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The most important thing you can focus on with a kid with any form of exercise is that they develop a good relationship with it. So the mistake I think a fitness fanatic would make is like, we're going to do this workout and I'm going to make you do it and it's.
- [80:35]
Adam Schaefer
Good for this program.
- [80:36]
Justin Andrews
And then you end up a kid resenting it and then they grow up and they're like, I hate it. Why? My dad forced me or my mom forced me and it sucked.
- [80:43]
Doug
Right.
- [80:44]
Justin Andrews
You want to give them a good relationship with it. So it's literally about fun. And I think you said it best, Justin. You let them lead it. Oh, can I try that? Sure. And you just have fun with it.
- [80:52]
Adam Schaefer
Listen, we give this advice, we give this advice all the time to adults. Go to the gym and practice movements.
- [80:58]
Doug
Yep, it's perfect.
- [81:00]
Adam Schaefer
Just get your kids to practice some of the movements you're doing. They don't need to run a program. They don't need to have like the scale this way, progressive overload that way. It's like if you can get, if your kids are interested at 7 and 10, which is awesome. If this is true, then getting them just practicing some of the movements that you're doing in your pro is awesome. And introducing it to them that early and to see if they can get that movement down pretty well is awesome.
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Justin Andrews
I will say this though, it's not necessary because he says that his kids is in recreational sports. You might think to yourself, my 10 year old's in recreational sports. They need to do some strength training. No they don't.
- [81:31]
Doug
No.
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Justin Andrews
If they don't want to do it, they don't need to. They could just play sports and they're going to get all the benefits from the sports.
- [81:37]
Doug
Variability is amazing right now.
- [81:39]
Justin Andrews
That's right.
- [81:40]
Doug
Just introduce them to a lot of different movements. It's perfect.
- [81:43]
Justin Andrews
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Sal Destefano
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