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Miracle Mentality with Tim Storey (Motivation, Self Help, and Mental Health)
How Naveen Jain is Revolutionizing the Treatment of Chronic Diseases | Self Help | E20
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Hello, my name is Tim Storey. Welcome to Miracle Mentality.
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Remember, rooftops drawing spaceships on the ground.
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It's for the dreamers, the doers, the believers in something greater. In each episode, I'll invite you to rise above the mundane, to push past the messy and learn to live boldly in the miraculous. Every episode will have practical wisdom, spiritual insight, and my guests will explore what it takes to activate your miracle mindset. Remember to subscribe, follow, and life. Welcome to Miracle Mentality. I'm so glad you guys are watching this podcast. You know, you put something out there and you believe that people will pay attention. You're paying attention. So make sure and continue to like and subscribe. Tell people about it. I've only been to 82 countries now, guys, so people should be watching and are watching from all over the world. So today I'm excited about my guest. I'm so excited that I did a three hour straight study just on him, his life, the things he's accomplishing, why he's looking so young and fresh. We're going to ask him all these questions. So his name is Naveen Jain and I'm just going to do a short bio. He's an entrepreneur. He is a world shaker. He's a guy that knows how to make a way where there seems to be no way. Let's welcome to the podcast, my good friend, Naveen. Naveen, good to see you again.
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Well, first of all, Tim, what an honor and pleasure. And I just want everyone who's listening to it to know that thank you for listening because the man who does this sincerely, every single day to bring you the information that makes your life better. My hats off to you and, and I really appreciate you, Tim, for what you do.
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Thank you very much. Okay, so let's get right into the discussion. So this podcast is on the Miracle Mentality. As you know, the word mentality means your mindset, your perspective, your frame of mind. So from the moment I saw you and even met you, I noticed your mindset is not normal or usual or common. How did you start to take on what I call a miracle mentality?
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Well, first of all, the mindset is constantly evolving. So every person that you meet, every interaction you have changes who you are. Right. And that's really interesting is that people always say, tell me one thing that changed you. That is it made you a different person. And it's like asking the camel, that's the last straw that breaks the camel's back. And we all know that's not the truth. The truth is all the other straws that came before that is really what breaks the camel's back. That means it is the accumulation of all the experiences, right? And you and I, Tim, probably know if you have been married long enough, your spouse will still say, you are the same moron that I married and we have never changed, right? And someone who hasn't met you for 20 years will come back and say, oh my God, you're such a different person. But the person who has been with you doesn't see that change. And that's the reason is because change is very incremental. The only thing I have really learned over the years is always, always look out for the people who are around you. Because every time you meet someone, their way of thinking changes you in some way or the other. So if you find yourself surrounded by the people who are negative, people who believe things are not possible, people who believe you can't do something, all that starts to become your way of thinking. So find people who encourage you. Find people who believe in positivity, people who believe everything is possible. And the only thing that's not possible is, is the one that you can't imagine yet. Because if you can imagine it, you can do it.
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Tell people what country you are actually from and a little bit about your country.
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First of all, I grew up in India and we grew up very, very poor. We didn't have food to eat, we didn't have a place to stay. And I came to United States about 45 years ago with $5 in my pocket and wanting to make a life of my own, really have this dream of this American dream of what is possible. It's a typical immigrant story. You come here, you work hard, and you believe that everything is possible. And what is really true is this is one of the very few countries in the world, despite how much we can bitch and moan about what's happening in the thing, there is not a place on earth you would rather be than be here. So anytime, when someone out here and say, I would rather move to Canada, tell them, you know, be my effing guest, go move somewhere. Because this country is belongs to people who take on the opportunity. Yes, things may not be exactly the way we want, but this is the best damn system that allows you to be who you are, allows you to realize your full potential, allows you to do do things that you want to do, and it doesn't get in the way of being an entrepreneur. To me, there is not a better country if you want to do the things you want to do in this life.
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So, as you know, we learn primarily from education, like studying, observation, what we see and then conversation.
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Yes.
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So give me an observation or a conversation you had with somebody when you were younger that helped you say, you know, I want to have a life that's big. So an observation, something you saw or conversation, somebody you spoke to that made you think, I want to do something big.
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It's not about just me doing something big. What really I realized was that despite your circumstances, so you being poor, you don't have food, you don't have place. And when you look up to the stars and you look at the moon and you suddenly realize that you're looking at exactly the same thing that the richest person in the world, you have the same dreams the other person has. You can achieve exactly the same thing that everyone else can. Now, the only difference is that the people around you have taught you that you come from this background. This is all you can do. There is nothing more you can do. It's written into your destiny until you realize. And I remember my dad telling me that maybe you don't come from rich family. You should go get an accounting degree or something. At least you'll have a job and you'll be able to support yourself. And here is my mom saying, no, no, no, no, no. This kid can do anything he wants. And she said something that I later realized that was wrong, which is sky is the limit of what he can achieve. And as I grew up and I was looking at the world and I'm thinking, wow, sky is nothing but a figment of our imagination. There is no such thing called sky. Sky doesn't really exist. It is simply the blue light that scatters and we see this barrier that we call sky. When we go from here to the Mars, we don't say, hey mom, I just passed the sky. There is no sky. How many of these barriers that we create for ourselves in our life because we believe these barriers can't be crossed until we get there and we realize there was no barrier. The only barrier was right here in our mindset. And that says we couldn't do it.
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I love the way you're explaining this and I think you're doing it in your unique way. When you were 16, 17 years of age, Naveen, what were you thinking about becoming? Did you want to be a dentist? Did you want to be a veterinarian? An astronaut? What were you thinking about becoming?
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It's really interesting is lot of the times atem you hear these people when they were young they had dream and some people probably do. But 99% of the time they're rewriting the history. I mean, let's just be very honest with answer. We go back and rewrite the history that this was our dream. When you're 16 or 17, your dreams are pretty simple. You want to go out and find a good girlfriend, get a good food to eat. You go out and get drunk. I mean, you know the 16 and 17 year old, they don't have a lot of things like they want to be this. Yes, in an overall big picture, you do want to do something that actually makes a difference in people's lives. And I think over the years I have come to realize that in some sense the people who have this goal of success and the success in our world has been defined as the financial success. And somehow people have believed that the only way to be successful or financially successful is to focus on being financially successful. And what I realized was actually that was a completely the wrong approach. If you wake up every morning and all you have to do is say what can I do to improve the lives of the people around me, the fellow humans that we have. If I can improve the lives of 100 million people, I can create a hundred billion dollar company. But you never wake up in the morning and say what should I do to create a hundred billion dollar company? You have to realize making money is simply a byproduct of doing things that improve people's lives. And if you are young, 17 year old, listen to me, or even 25 years old, making money is like having an orgasm. If you focus on it, you're never going to get it. So enjoy the process.
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I'm going to use that as my cut and put that as a TikTok. That was super funny. Let's talk about a topic, skills. So there's a proverb that says if you see a person skilled and they master something, they will be ushered into the presence of the great. So what I see about you is that you started your first U.S. job, 1983 at Burroughs. Then you go to Silicon Valley Joining Microsoft, 1989. Talk to me about skill set and why it's important to master something, be a master at something.
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I would tell you that that is actually a wrong, completely wrong approach. And this whole idea that we have been taught that you have to develop a skill and that you need to master the skill and you need to spend the 10,000 hours and really become the great at something you do, that world is changing in front of our eyes. And the reason is any skill you develop today may become obsolete by the time you actually become expert. And the minute you become an expert, you actually become completely useless in that field. Because. Because you become an incrementalist, you start to take the foundation, everything in that skill as granted and you're no longer able to challenge that. So to me, especially with the AI, every skill that you learn becomes obsolete. What doesn't become obsolete is way of thinking. The learning to learn is the only skill that never becomes obsolete. So if you're going to learn one simple skill, just learn how to learn. Learning to just constantly being intellectually curious. And I'm going to talk a little bit more about that. To me, even as a parent or as a leader in the company, our job is not to take someone to water and make them drink. Our job is to make them thirsty. And the way you make someone thirsty is to give them the intellectual curiosity. Because once you give someone intellectual curiosity, they can never stop learning. They can never stop finding the water and drinking it. Because that's what they always do is to learn, challenge them about what is possible. And let me give you an example. Because I think a lot of the time these abstract thinking becomes like whatever, right? So I want to give you an example. Let's assume it is your son or a daughter. And they said, dad, look up. What a beautiful blue sky. And most times the parent will say, oh wow, it's a beautiful blue sky. Instead of teaching that as a lesson as we talked about, what if you told your son and said, son, you know, the sky doesn't really exist. It is simply our imagination of how light gets scattered. And by the way, the, the color blue doesn't exist in the nature. It is simply the electromagnetic wave, the photons hitting our retina and our mind is actually making up that color. And it's not about teaching them science. What you're teaching them is saying, hey, even the things that you so believe in because you can see with your naked eye, what if they are wrong? What if you can challenge them to say, what if that's not true? And then suddenly you're teaching a person to be able to challenge the most basic thing, that everyone has taken it for granted. That's a beautiful blue sky.
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Okay, Naveen, I'm loving the way you're thinking. So let's continue to challenge this idea of you have to master something. Because me and you go to a lot of seminars. We speak at a lot of places. There's all this talk about mastery. I totally hear what you're saying that you can get so caught up in those 10,000 hours that you just missed that something just moved, that something shifted. Okay, But I think that both of us agree that we should live at the highest standard. I teach this saying, don't be almost, but be utmost. So if it's not mastery, then what is it?
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So I think this is where the crux of the thing is that once you master something, you become knowledgeable doesn't mean you become intelligent. And having a knowledge of a particular skill, it actually limits you. It limits you to how you will think. Because what happens is, if you spend all your life learning about something, how do you challenge that anymore? Because that is what makes you an expert. Until someone comes along and says, what do you even need that for? So, for example, so you say, look, there are 8 billion people on planet Earth. What if one day we're going to have 20 billion people on planet Earth? How are we going to feed them? How are we going to solve that world hunger? And every skilled person who is completely skilled in that will tell you, oh, you need to grow more food, increase the productivity or yield of the crop. Number two, there's so much of the food that's wasted during transportation. You have to reduce the wastage and transportation and all of the things that are wrong with the system. But they will never ask the basic question, which is, why do we eat food? When you ask such a simple question, why we eat food, you realize we need energy and we need nutrition. What are the different ways can you get energy? The plants get energy from photosynthesis. There are bacteria that are growing up radioactive nuclear waste. They use radiation as a source of energy. Now what if we can take the genetic material from plant or bacteria, modify ourselves using crispr, and suddenly we get energy from different sources. All I'm trying to say is by simply asking a different question that no experts will dare ask, it allows you to look at the problem from a different perspective, opens you up to a solution that no skilled person would have ever thought about, because that's not what the skill is about.
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Okay, so listen. So some people would consider you as someone who thinks outside the box. Tell me how you define how you're thinking.
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So first of all, no human being can ever think outside the box. They can think in a different box. So what actually applies it, you take the learning from one box and apply to all other boxes, because those boxes have not seen the learnings that you brought in from the other box, right? So you become in that box, outside the box. Thinker because you came from a different box. Right. So the idea is when you're looking at a problem, you're looking at from multiple different perspective. Now, as you know that today I'm working in the healthcare field, and we'll come back to that. And guess what? This is my seventh industry and no two companies I've ever started are in the same industry. And the reason for that is because I believe once you become good at it, you'll no longer actually be able to disrupt that industry. Because the best you can be 10% better than someone else, but not 10 times better than someone else. So you have to rethink everything in that industry. And coming from outside allows you to do that.
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So let's go there for a minute. So you go from Burroughs to Silicon Valley to founded InfoSpace 1996. All the things that you did as a CEO with other companies and best way to say this word, is it Intelus?
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Intelius. Yeah. Yep.
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Yes. Okay, so what role did you play with that particular company?
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So remember, I started that. So I was a founder and CEO of Intellius. So here I was running Infospace and we were the first company to realize. Now, remember, this is so hard to believe. Now you go back and go back to year 2000 and there is an interview that I did at Washington Post with a woman named Leslie Walker. And that interview is still there. You can go find says this is 10 years before Apple introduced iPhone. I'm telling this lady reporter and I said, imagine one day you're going to have a phone in your hand. You'll be able to get the stock code, you'll be able to get your email, you'll be able to get your calendar, you'll be able to get the latest information right on your phone. It will know where you are. So when you drive by the Starbucks, it'll give you the Starbucks coupon. And instead of using your credit card to make a payment, you'll be able to use your phone to make a payment. This is now year 2000. And this lady looks at me and says, what are you talking about? Not in my lifetime. Not in my lifetime. Ten years later, when iPhone came out, I say, leslie, I hope you are alive, because it's happening. It's happening right now. It wasn't that I had some crystal ball about what could happen to me. It was very clear that devices that existed in those times, what if they came together? So now most people are going to probably think, what are you talking about? Who have not seen you? And I probably remember in Those days, there used to be these flip phones. There used to be a Palm Pilot where you could get your email and address book and a Palm Pilot and there used to be pages we will attach. That's how you texted each other or communicated with each other. Short messages.
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Yeah.
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And I didn't have a crystal ball, but I'm thinking, wait a sec, why can't we put a phone on a Palm Pilot that will have the email and all this stuff now using the phone. And by the way, why not just put the pager there so you'll be able to communicate with the short messages. And that is going to happen one day. I wasn't some big vision on the crystal ball. I'm just simply thinking these three devices that we all carry and what if that happened in one day? You can build a great company providing applications for that. And that became Infospace, that went on to become a $40 billion company, which is just amazing.
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Amazing.
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Now I'm looking at the next company and I'm seeing the companies like Amazon, everything popping up and doing electronic commerce on the Internet. And I keep thinking these companies are basically like a catalog company. In my days, you get a Sears catalog, you pick up a phone and you order the item. These companies are no different. Instead of sending you catalog, you go to a website, but you still the same thing. You order the item, they go to the warehouse house ships it to you. And it is basically all they've done is getting rid of the catalog, but they're still a catalog company. And what is really beautiful about the Internet is what if instead of selling the goods, what if you could sell the information? That means my cost of goods are zero, my cost of delivery is zero. And I'm taking advantage of the media that it's designed for. And what if I could sell information instead of goods? It could be a massive company. And that is what Intelius was. So people told me the information on the Internet wants to be free. And I said yes, but if you collect the information and package it in a way that solves a problem. People are willing to pay for the convenience of getting that information. And so I took all the public records and put them together and that became Intellius.
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I'm believing that you're enjoying this podcast, the miracle mentality. And so the best way to help other people is to share it with a friend, family member, or even a colleague. We work hard on getting the right types of guests that will make your life go from the mundane, the messy, the madness into the miracle mentality. Don't forget, your mindset is yours to set. So make sure and share this with someone else and then tag me at Tim Story Official. That's Tim Story Official. Thank you for making this one of the most listened to and watched podcasts out there in the world. And guess what? Get ready for miracles to come your way. So for me, knowing about you way back, is it people would see you as a pioneer or as a trailblazer? It's like people that have been pioneers and trailblazers in music or in art. Did you see yourself that way or is that just something that we from the outside labeled you as?
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I think what happens is if you notice every single musician who is a trailblazer is standing on the shoulder of some other trailblazer, right? You basically improve on something. You don't invent anything. I mean, let's not try to flatter ourselves that we have some genius we reinvent. Every single artist that is popular today has probably learned a lot from the previous generation and they are just mixing and matching the things together and making their own. But there is no invention there.
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That is so beautifully said because even in studying Elvis Presley, he said he learned a lot from the black artists, from the black churches.
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Yes, yes.
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From other people that had come before him and he put it all together. So I like the way you're thinking, but then you start to get into a company where you get into the health side of things. Now many times people that I life coach, they get into these companies because maybe it's just available or they think it's the trend. But did you have a health challenge? So you decided to get in health. How did you end up jumping into this space?
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So here I was running a company called Moon Express. So I was a founder of a company called Moon Express to actually mine the moon for helium 3 for fusion resources. We became the first company, so if you Google, we are the first company, Moon Express to ever get a permission to leave Earth orbit. We got the President Obama to sign into the law that anything we bring back, we get to own it. It's called Space resource Act of 2015. We became one of the six companies to get $2.6 billion NASA contract. I would have thought I'll be on the top of the moon at this point in my life. And here I am suddenly realizing my dad is diagnosed with stage four pancreatic cancer. I didn't even know he was sick, let alone he had stage four cancer. Unfortunately, he was given three months to live and that's all he got but it got me thinking. Here I am trying to go solve the problem of other world and how do we settle on the moon and Mars and we barely know our fellow humans are dying from basic chronic diseases. This amount of suffering we have where people are suffering from diabetes, heart disease, depression, anxiety, cancer, Alzheimer and all of these diseases. So what is it that's happening inside the human body that we don't understand? And this is like every single time when you start something, you ask yourself, it starts with what if? What if we can actually understand what changes inside the human biology? What changes inside the human body that gets us to actually develop these diseases? The beauty, if I may call the beauty. The interesting thing about these chronic diseases is they don't happen overnight. So it's not like one day you come home and say, tim, I was hanging out with the boys last night drinking. I think I might have caught diabetes. Really don't catch diabetes, you don't catch heart disease, you don't catch these cancer. It happens over a long period of time and if it's happening over a long period of time, you should be able to see the changes that are happening that are causing it to happen.
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What I think is very sensitive about you is because one side of you is in the moon and then the other side of you sees the reality of your father's illness. And I think a lot of creatives that I spend time with, they're so far in the moon that they would have missed the reality of the challenge of the father. And then you decided to do something about it again. This is another thing I love about you, is that you get an idea and then you take action steps to get this done. So then you start this company in 2016. And what is the correct pronunciation of this company?
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Viome V I O M E. It.
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Offers personalized nutrition and wellness. It's all about gut health. So when you start this company, what's going through your mind? Do you think it's going to go as far as it has now or what's going through your mind?
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So basically, anytime you start something, any company, you have to look at the stuff and say, why is this problem is still exist and why is this problem not getting solved? That means what are the questions that you are asking that are different from what everyone else in the industry has been asking? Because changing the question changes the problem, it changes the solutions, right? And that is really the crux of the thing is the questions you ask are the problems you solve. So if you're not asking the right question you're solving the wrong problem. In this case, I am thinking, okay, all of these diseases we call chronic diseases, which are basically what I would say is age related diseases. People somehow believe when you turn 40, of course you're going to scare the tummy, you're going to get obese, of course you're going to have diabetes, of course you're going to have heart disease, of course you're going to have all of these. Now you're more prone to developing a cancer, you're going to start to having dementia as you get to be 70 or 75. And I'm thinking, this cannot be. The human body is not designed to have a clock and say you turn 40, boom, let's give them a diabetes. You turn 50, let's give you now heart disease. You turn 60, let's give you dementia, right? That's not how it happens. So here I am at 66. So I just turned 66 two days ago. My biological age is now still 33 and I take no pharmaceutical drugs.
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And happy birthday to you from all of us.
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Thank you, brother.
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I got to get in here because some people would call you a disruptor, you would have another term. I like how you don't go with traditional terms, but I love how you think because even last night I was teaching to a group of people, I said, I don't believe we have to die in a way where we have been suffering for years. And then we just break down, break down, break down. Tell me why that is true, that we do not have to age that way.
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Love that. So that is really the questions I wanted to answer for myself was what is it that happens inside the body and can we actually prevent it from happening? Diagnose it early so you can fix it and God forbid, outright reverse it. So this comes down to is asking the question. So I noticed that everyone in 2016 saying, hey, to solve the problem of human diseases and I need to know about your genes, your DNA, your genes is the one that's going to tell me everything. And my first reaction is, okay, if you know about my genes, do they actually change when I develop a disease? So if you do my DNA test today and I gained 200 pounds, has my DNA changed? The answer is no. Now I become diabetic, do my DNA test again, have they changed? No. Now I have a heart disease, depression, anxiety, and then I die. And 100 years after I die, you exhume my body and do my DNA again, same DNA, DNA can't even tell you you're dead. Or alive, let alone are you becoming healthier or sicker? So that was my first thing. Wait a sec. These guys are looking at the problem the wrong way. So I went and asked the people, what changes? He said, you should know it is not your genes, but your gene expression or your RNA is always changing. Now someone who is not a scientist or a doctor like me, Tim, what's your first reaction? If someone says what changes is the rna? And if you want to know, why not fuck measure the rna, then let's go measure rna.
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Exactly right.
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And no one will say to an entrepreneur, you know, no one has done that, you know, it can't be done. My problem is always is you focus on what needs to be done, not how it needs to be done. Because the minute you focus on how you're going to do limits you to what you know. So just I want to reiterate because this is where most entrepreneurs go wrong. They come from the field that they think they know about. They find the problem and they say, oh, I need to know how am I going to solve this problem? And, and if they can't figure it out, they say, oh, that means this can't be done. Someone who comes from outside, who has no idea, just because I focus on, great, we don't need to measure rna. I don't need to know how we are going to do that, that we are going to get to it some other day. But is this the problem we want to solve? That was an answer. Was, yeah, that's good. But there is another problem. What Is another problem? 99% of all the genes in our body don't come from our mom and dad. What do you mean? Where did they come from? Now? They come from these hundred trillion microbes that live inside our gut, inside our mouth and all over us. 100 trillion. And these microbes produce 2 million to 20 million genes compared to 22,000 protein coding genes in human. Think about that. Everything comes from these microbes that are inside us now. My first thing, Tim, was I say, okay, if this is true, then let me figure out, does this even matter? So I started doing the research and saying Parkinson's and microbiome. Well, it starts in the gut 15 years before you see the first symptom. Fine, got it. Alzheimer and microbiome, cancer and microbiome, diabetes and microbiome, depression and microbiome. Everything starts to look like it's connected to this thing called microbiome. Now, for the life of midterm, I don't understand what the hell this microbiome thing is in my mind I'm thinking they're like tiny tiny humans and they're tiny, tiny humans doing things in my body. And I'm thinking, wait a sec. If this microbiome is such a big problem and everyone believes it's a big problem, and there are hundred companies doing microbiome testing and then why is this problem not solved yet? And I go back to the same thing. What questions are these companies asking? And it turns out to date, every microbiome company is making exactly the same mistake that DNA companies do. They're trying to tell you what organisms are in your gut. You got bacteroides, you got firmicutes, you got Akkermansia, you got this. And I'm thinking, why do I care? It's like saying, well, in this town there is a Tim, there is John, there is Paul, there is Mike. And I'm thinking, no, no, no, no, no. It doesn't matter the names. What matters is what are they doing? Are they doing good things or are they doing bad things? What are they producing? And what matters is the same organism like a human being. If you put them in a good environment, good behavior, put them in the bad environment, a bad behavior. So we're going to focus on what they are producing, not who they are. We're going to look at how they interact with the human immune system and, and then looking at together we will know what is going on. So here is now simple theory. We are going to measure the rna, we are going to look at all the microbial side, but we are going to focus on not who they are, we are going to focus on what they are producing and we are going to look at everything together. And that's how we are going to solve the problem.
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Let's bring this down to the student for a minute, okay? With viome, with this company, how then are you then bringing all these ideas to help person that all of a sudden they have brain fog and then they realize it's connected to gut health, they're having memory loss and they realize it's connected to gut health. So in your company and in your expertise, how then are you helping that student?
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Good. So basically the first thing was finding the technology. It so turns out that I was at Los Alamos National Lab, which is famous for nuclear bomb in, and they were working on a biodefense project to actually solve this problem for the national security. And to solve that problem they had to solve the same thing, which is to understand not what was inside the biological bomb, what it is expressing how it's interacting with the human body so they can create antidote for it. So I took a license, exclusive license, and built viome. Today, eight years later, now we have analyzed 1 million test, 1 million tests, analyze 100 quadrillion biological data points. So 10, this is how it works. You at home, go to ym.com, order something called full body intelligence. You give us a spit of your saliva, touch of your stool and a finger prick blood. Four drops of your finger prick blood. We analyze, we look for, mind my word, 100 million biomarkers. So you give us your saliva, which is top of the digestive tube, you, stool, the bottom of the digestive tube, all around the digestive tube, blood. And then we take all those three samples, do a complete RNA analysis of all three samples, look for 100 million biomarkers. And then we tell you now, what is your biological age? What's your cognitive health, your heart health, your oral health, your gut health, your immune health. And then as nerdy as you want to go, we tell you your uric acid production to your LPS production. Then we say, tim, don't eat avocado right now because your uric acid production is too high. Avocado is very high in uric acid. You're going to end up getting a gout. And here the science paper for that, don't eat broccoli and cabbage. And because your sulfide production is too high, these foods are very high in sulfate and they're going to cause you more inflammation or you're eating way too much protein right now because it's being fermented by your gut microbiome, because we're looking at your protein fermentation. So make sure you take a digestive enzyme with your protein, right? But you can eat red meat if you want because the choline and carnitine in the red meat is not being converted into TMA. It and your liver is not producing enzyme called FMO3. So it's not going to get you heart disease. You can eat meat safely, but don't eat spinach and almonds right now because your oxalates are not being degraded. So we walk you through every food, why you should eat it. And here's the reason, and here's the science paper. Don't eat this food. Here's the reason, here's the science paper. And then we tell you if there's any nutrition your body is lacking. Take 22mg of elderberry, take 79mg of amylase. So we walk you through every vitamin, mineral, herbs, digestive enzyme, food extracts and then we custom make the supplement just for you every month. No pre made stuff. So literally, this is Naveen Jen and it says manufactured on it was made for me 10 days ago. We make the personalized supplements. We made you personalized probiotics and prebiotics. We give you the personalized oral lozenges and then we make the personalized toothpaste for you. And we did the double blinded placebo controlled studies to show if you follow the procedure, nutrition. In 90 days, 64% of the people who had IBS like constipation, they became healthy compared to 10% on placebo people who had pre diabetes. Their A1 HbA1c came down by 0.42 in 90 days, 3 months and they became healthy. People who had depression and anxiety. 74% of the people became healthy compared to 28% on placebo. Think about all using food as medicine.
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A
Let's break this down. So you're going to help us. All we have to do is go to VIOME V I O M e dot com. Is that correct?
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B
That is correct, sir.
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A
And because you love me so much, are you going to help me myself? You'll help me?
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B
Absolutely. 100%. So what I would do would be, Tim, go do the test. It will fundamentally change your life. Just tell you what, I'm healthier today at 66 than I was at 46. I lost 25 pounds. I have more energy now than I had previously.
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A
You look really good. Even if you look at your videos from a few years ago. You were still handsome back then, but you're looking more vibrant even right now.
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B
And I tell you, my skin is better, I've lost weight, I have more energy, I have no brain fog and my immune system is so strong. Brother, I'm not kidding you. My wife gets sick, I sleep next to her and never get sick. I just don't get sick.
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A
So listen, off the air, we have to make sure I send my stool to the right place because that Tim Stories tool would be worth a lot of money on ebay.
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B
Yes. So after the podcast, send me your address and I'll send you the test.
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A
I love this idea, but the fact that you have stepped into this space, that could really help so many of us. Because a lot of my friends that are even 35, 37, 38 young people, tired, sluggish, not feeling good. I mean, I've been studying you. You're finding answers to these dilemmas.
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B
So, brother, interesting thing in Life is if you want to live healthy and live a long life, there are five things you have to do. Number one, just like a Maslow's hierarchy of private, number one is nutrition. If you don't put the right fuel in your car, you can't drive a Ferrari, right? So the nutrition is number one. The one thing we learned which is very interesting is there is no such thing as universally healthy food. There are universally unhealthy food, but there is no food that's good for everyone. Spinach can be good for some people. In fact, 40% of the people are harmed by eating spinach. 37% of the people are harmed by eating broccoli and cabbage. 40% of the people are harmed by eating avocado. Now, 45% of the people benefit from eating red meat, right? So my point is it's not universally good or universally bad. That is the key is understanding. Just because you're vegan doesn't mean you are eating healthy, because all the poison comes from a plant. So just because you're eating a plant food doesn't mean you're not eating a poison. And by the way, this is not something we invented. This is something Hippocrates said 2500 years ago. All diseases begin in the gut. Let food be thy medicine. And then what did he say? One man's food is another man's poison. Right? This is it. So we're not doing it in a scientific way. The number two is stress. You need to let go of the stress in the body, because when you are stressed, your brain releases neurocorticoid that becomes cortisol, and you go into what they call fight or flight response. When we were evolving, when we got the fight or flight response was because we were being chased by a tiger. Guess what happens. Your body says, don't worry about digesting your food because you're going to be lunch for someone else. So it shuts down your digestive system. When you're in stress mode, it shuts down your immune system. You don't need to worry about that right now. So what happens is when we are stressed, we are no longer able to digest our food and we get sick. And, you know, some of us who are, you know, religious will say, let's do the gratitude, let's do the prayer before we eat. You know why? So you can move from sympathetic mode to parasympathetic mode.
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A
Okay, let's quickly go through the five, because I have one last question for you. Nutrition.
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B
Nutrition, number two. Number two is exercise. And you don't need to be a gym rat. You need to be walking, moving. So if you can wake up and move. I do at least five or six miles a day. I take my phone calls, I put my AirPods on. I do my phone calls. I'm meeting someone, I go for a walk and talk. Right. So getting the exercise, wonderful. Even if you are as you get to older after 40, start doing the body work. I do push ups. If I'm in the hotel room, I do push up. I do the body weight squats. I just get the things to move some muscles. Right. Number four, sleep. Like many things in life, it's the quality that matters, not just the quantity. So when people tell you you need eight hours of sleep, it's bullshit. What you need is hour and a half of two hours of REM sleep and one hour and 15 minutes of one and a half hour of deep sleep. If you can get them in five hours, great. If you need six, take six. If you need seven, take seven. If you need take eight. Right. I am the person. I wear my aura ring. I wear my ultra human ring. I have eight sleep mattress. I measure my sleep and I get up at 4am I get seven hours of sleep and I get two hours of REM sleep. Hour and a half of deep sleep and I wake up like a king.
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A
Naveen, I'm loving this thinking on sleep.
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B
And the last one. And the last one. Brother. Purpose, purpose, purpose. People who live a life of purpose tend to live 10 to 15 years longer and healthier than the people who have no purpose. So find something you're willing to die for and then live for it.
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A
Naveen, I think me and you should be best friends.
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B
Thank you, brother. We are. We are going to be.
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A
I love the way you're thinking. You're so creative. So there's that saying, you've been born an original, don't die a copy. You are so original. Your sound, your tone, your style, your thinking. So with this company, I'm going to say it again. V I O M E dot com. I'm telling you now, I'm going to do it for myself. Because with the pool on my life, I've been now to 82 different countries of the world speaking to all these people. People pulling on me left and right.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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A
I need to keep my energy at the level where it needs to be.
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B
Agree with you brother. I agree with you.
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A
All right. Have you enjoyed this conversation?
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B
I absolutely have. Loved this conversation. Tim, you are one of the best interviewer out there. I Enjoy it. I really enjoy it. That's the reason find so much energy is because I love, love what you do.
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A
But I tell you, seriously, we're going to do more together because I have some products that I'm doing. I'm releasing a new mattress line. I'm doing a new mattress line that's going to be out of this world. I'm in the health space, but I know we're going to collaborate on some beautiful things. But the best way to contact you outside of v I o m e.com is if they just want to learn more about you or read more about you. What's the best way to do that?
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B
Please find me on Instagram, please find me on LinkedIn, send me a message, and I would love to hear from you. You can look at my website, naveenjain.com and I look forward to talking to each one of you. So please, if there's anything I can do for you, just know that it'll be my honor and a pleasure to help you. Because every entrepreneur out there, when they go out and become successful, they are solving a problem. That means they are making the life better for other people. And that means my children, my grandchildren, my great grandchildren are going to be thankful to every entrepreneur who goes out and does something useful.
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A
I love this. Okay, so I just want to say this about my good friend Naveen. He is a phenomenal speaker. As you see, he's sitting down right now. Wait till he stands up. So for all you that follow me, which is a lot of you, and you're having a conference, at least attempt to get him because he's very, very busy. But he's tremendous and he is changing a lot of people's lives. So what a privilege to have Naveen on today on this podcast, the Miracle Mentality. Don't forget to like and to subscribe. Subscribe, but tell people about it. Make sure and follow him, guys. Let's get healthy, let's get better. Let's live a more magical life. And thank you once again to Naveen for being on this amazing program. See you next time. Thank you for sharing space with me on this episode of Miracle Mentality with Tim Storey. If today sparked your courage or helped you understand why you're created for success, I invite you to carry that miracle mentality forward. Visit me@tim story.com that story with an ey on the end. Until next time, walk by faith, embrace possibility and create your own comeback story.