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Dive into summer with Vizkaya Swimwear. Stylish, comfortable, unforgettable. Make a splash with Vizkaya swimwear. Discover your beauty with Lady Code Cosmetics. Bold colors, flawless finishes. Unleash your confidence with Lady Code. Hello and welcome back to Misrepresented. I'm your host, Lisa Opie, and today our guest is Rose Campbell, Mrs. Tennessee Queen of the World. What a title. That's so fun.
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I love it.
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I love it. I want to be Mrs. Queen of the World or Ms. Queen of the World.
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So luxurious.
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I'm just going to go ahead and read all of your accomplishments because you're pretty impressive. Rose Campbell is a renowned celebrity and pageant publicist recognized for her work in representing notable reality TV personalities such as Carol Baskin. We have to talk about that. And contestants in the Mrs. World pageant, which is, like, as good as it gets for. For Mrs. Pageants.
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Right?
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That's like the top tier. In addition to her achievements in the entertainment industry, Rose is the visionary founder of Rise Up Womenpreneurs, a dynamic networking group and conference dedicated to empowering women entrepreneurs. I love that. That's, like, what Misrepresented is all about. Her commitment to supporting and uplifting women in business is evident in the impact of this innovative platform. Rose is also a best selling author and the founder of Dying Inside that provides support and resources for individuals facing trauma and challenges. Because you are a survivor yourself. So Rose's journey from being a trafficked foster child to becoming a respected media mogul is a testament to her resilience, strength, and unwavering determination to create a positive change in the world. So through all of your advocacy work, you continue to inspire others, which is why you're here right now. So welcome, Rose. That was quite an introduction.
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It was so long.
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Yeah. Okay, so first things first. Carol Baskin. How did that come about?
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So during COVID like right before COVID I was in the birth world, so I was like a midwife. And I did doula, and I caught babies and I. But I mainly focused on, like, high risk and still births.
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Okay.
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So when Covid hit, I wasn't allowed in the hospitals anymore. And I had had a marketing background and all of that, so I was like, okay, I'm gonna go back into marketing and pr. And during that time, I was also filming a show with hgtv. So I got on Clubhouse, and Clubhouse.
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Was huge during COVID I remember that.
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So huge.
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Yeah.
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And it was just like it was for this little group was for reality stars. So I was like, okay, well, I guess I'm a reality star. I've been on tv. So I joined, and Carole Baskin was on there.
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Oh, my God.
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And she calls me up after listening to my story. She calls me and goes, hey, so I have a TV show that's coming out.
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Oh, so this was before Tiger King.
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Yeah. And I was like, okay. She's like, I want to be your first PR client. What? Okay.
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She's like, your first PR client was Carol Askin.
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And I'm like, okay. And at that time, I. Right before I transitioned to Rise up, it was an influencer summit. So she's like, let me do your influencer summit. There's so many things I want to talk about. I was like, okay, shouldn't tell me what, you know, Tiger King was going to be. And so it comes out, and it is a hit.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I got into peacocks and exotic animals myself. I was on a farm, and. And so I was like, okay, Carol, you didn't tell me any of this. She's like, well, I didn't even know that. How. They had edited it.
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Okay. Yeah.
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So she ended up suing them, and she won.
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Wow.
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It was a big thing. And her husband was found.
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Okay. They left out.
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She didn't kill him. Yeah. And so she was one of. She was my favorite client. And so she went on to the influencer summit, and she spoke about character. Character defamation. And I just love her, and she's so sweet and. But she had a hard time with Tik Tok. So there was a song. Carol Baskin killed her husband. Chopped him something. Fed him to the tiger. Some long song.
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Yeah.
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And I told her, I said, like, look, yeah, it's kind of bad publicity, but it's also good publicity. We got you on. On Dancing with the Stars. That was big money. Now let's trademark this song and let's make you make money.
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You're a genius.
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And she's like, well, I guess. And so even now, she'll call me. Like, someone. Someone walked up to me on the beach and they sing that song. I'm like, it's trademarked. You're making money. I can guarantee you they filmed a Tick tock and you're making money off of it. She's like, okay. I'm like, that's for the tigers.
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Oh, my God.
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The money is for the tigers. I mean, at the end of the day.
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Yeah. Like, tiger.
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I haven't. I need to. It's been a while since I've actually talked to her, but she was. She was my first PR client. And Man, I. It was a. It was a long run.
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Were you allowed to share that like you were her publicist, or was it more like a confidentiality?
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Yeah, no, she. She was all for it because, I mean, she didn't really get to see the edits and stuff before the show came out, so she had no idea. She had no idea.
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But she was smart to have a publicist before, just in case. Like, at least she was prepared and.
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Yeah, well, she initially hired me for. For the Tigers, basically, so. And then when this came out, I was like, okay, let's. We need to.
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Damage control.
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Damage control 100.
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Wow.
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So.
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So if you could change the narrative about her as your client, like, what would it be?
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That she's one of the sweetest people and people can just disappear. Unfortunately, in the United States, people disappear all the time. I mean, even right now, we have a woman that just disappeared from Hawaii on purpose.
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I know.
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So I think don't judge person based off of TV or social media.
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At the end of the day, a hundred percent, yes. So now I want to talk about you. I want to start with pageants, because misrepresented is mostly about pageants and entrepreneurs. Entrepreneurship. So what brought you into the pageant world?
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It was also during COVID It was like, all. Covid was just, like, changed my life. But I had had five children by then. I had just had my sixth child, and it was a stillbirth, and I was just, like, not feeling good about myself, and I wanted to get some advocacy out there. But mainly I joined pageantry because as a mom, it's so hard not to feel guilty about getting your hair done or getting your nails done. That mom guilt is so strong. So I was like, okay, if I join this pageant, maybe I'll have a little bit more confidence in myself, and it's an excuse to get my hair done more.
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What was your first pageant that you signed up for?
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Mrs. Texas America.
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How did that go? Well, first of all, it's a Mrs. Pageant, and it's in Texas, so it was probably a bloodbath.
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So everybody was so sweet. Okay, I do want to clarify, like, the pageant world, I was expecting, like, kind of toddlers and Sierras, but it wasn't like that. I mean, the big hair and the makeup, obviously, but the women were so incredible. They all have a story to share, and they're so empowering. And I'm still friends with. With the most of the women that I competed with, but I will say I was not prepared. They send out this email for our workshop, and they're like, come in casual work attire with your hair and makeup. And I'm like, okay. So I showed up in a sundress, a sunflower sundress. And my hair was straightened, and I was like, okay. And I kind of glammed up. No earrings, like studs.
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Actually casual, but a little more glam.
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Yeah. I kind of spiced it up with some jewelry, but, like, with studs and pearls and was like, okay, this is, like, classy. Okay. I walk in and I'm like, oh, my goodness. This is not what I thought business. Business casual was. I mean, they are done up. They have the shoes, the pageant shoes. Their hair is like. And they're. They're like, beautiful. And I literally just sat down and it was quiet the whole time. And I hid in the corner, and I was like, okay. So one of the girls pulls me aside, Jennifer Daly. And she's like, hey, let's, like, just go in the bathroom and spice you up a little. And I was like, okay. And she. She really helped me. We ended up having lunch. And to this day, like, I talked to her. Sorry, I talked to her yesterday. And so. And she's come down to my rise up conferences. And so pageantry has really made those friendships just amazing. And so the doctor was like, hey, just maybe, like, something here. Like, she has a store. So she had me go in there, and I had just had a baby, so, like, nothing fit me. And I was, like, crying because we were picking out our swimsuits, and I'm like, the swimsuit doesn't fit. And, like. And then. And I'm looking around the room, and I felt so discouraged. I was like, I'm not coming back. I'm not going to compete. But every. Almost every single woman after that, they noticed me, and they reached out to me and they made sure that I knew what I was doing.
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Wow.
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And I would drive up to Dallas because I was in Houston, and I drive up and I've had lunch with them, and I. One of the pageant coaches, like, reached out and was like, hey, I just want to offer you some, like, a free zoom, and let's just give you some tips. And I was like, okay. So when I arrived the first day of Mrs. Texas, I. The pageant director walks up, she goes, I just want to tell you, you have blossomed. And I was like, oh, well, thank you. Like, I had the hair, I got the extensions. I did the. I did it all out. And I really worked on my platform, and it was. I didn't win, but it was. I Won in a sense, that I made some amazing friendships. And that was, like, the start. I mean, Texas is. I will say Texas is cutthroat when.
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It comes to the week.
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No, I mean, you can see, like, women got. One woman look at. Looked at me, and she's like, I just want you to know I love you. But at the pageant, like, I'm gonna be focused. I was like, oh, okay, that's fine. And she was. She was. She was working on her walk. She didn't really pay attention to anybody, but everybody was kind of like that. But Jennifer, she, like, pulled me aside. She's like, walk like this. Like, kind of fix this and like this. And so we. It was a blast. And so from there, I. I did her pageant again the next year, and then I did Earth, and then I took a break. I was like, okay, I just need a break. And so I started representing the pageant women and learning. Like, pageant women, they win their titles, but then they don't know what to do. They, like, work so hard, and I. I feel like they're ex. They think that once they won, the opportunities will just right, like, come to them.
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Celebrity. And that's not the case anymore.
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I'm like, you have to work. I want to see you work. So the last three years, I've really. Or two years, whatever, I've focused on helping pageant women come up with their story, make their media kit. No one knows what a media kit is. I'm like, make that media kit. Let's. And. And. And I teach them how to do that. I teach them how to reach out to brands, get PR packages. Not even, like, sponsorships, just pr. So you feel like a celebrity.
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Yeah.
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And so that's been my focus, and I help them monetize their platforms. There's so many ways you can make money through social media and your platform and just getting on those. Those PR lists and the red carpet walks and just grand openings. You want to be even, like, working.
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With you to get you and Celie on this podcast. Like, I can tell that you hustle for your clients.
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I do. Yeah.
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And you know how everything works, and you really have it all figured out.
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So I try to. And if I don't have to figure it out, I will figure it out.
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I love that. So do you have a success story that comes to mind from one of your clients where she was just perfect and blossomed so much under your care?
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Oh, man, there's so many. I've represented, you know, a lot of. A lot of the women, but I will Say, Christy Wishnack and Jennifer Lloyd have been amazing.
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I love Jennifer.
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Yeah, I helped her when she was working. Well, she was competing as Mrs. Korea. I kind of helped her with her.
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PO because that was the most iconic queen. I always bring her up because I'm like, she came in with her own team. She was posting every single day.
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She has a social media, like, she goes all out.
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Yep.
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And she's just amazing. She knows she hustles. Yeah, she hustles. So does Christy. And she's the current elite misses Queen of the World. And so. And that's kind of why I went with the Queen of the world is because those women, they hustle, they know what luxury is. They know how to work their platforms. And I feel like Alice, the director, kind of helps guide them. And you don't really get that with a lot of the other pageant systems. They're like, okay, now you won, now go promote. But they don't know how to promote. So Jennifer has like her whole media kit. I helped Christie build her media kit. We've gotten them on Vince magazine and Blackbird News TV PR packages. And I think both of those queens have just really rocked it. So I was like, you know what? It's my turn. I'm gonna compete. I called Alice. I was like, I'm doing it. She's like, finally.
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So why Queen of the World specifically other than the amazing title?
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So I love the title, like, just Mrs. Queen of the World. Okay. But again, I would say it's like following her current queens. I feel like they knew, like her last queens, Karina, they knew what to do. Even her usa Rebecca, they have these amazing platform platforms. And Alice, really, she knows how to throw on a pageant and she knows how to work with the brands and she knows how to get you out there and she doesn't just like, throw you to the wolves. Like, okay, you figure it out.
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Wow.
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And so. And I feel like they have that team. They have that amazing team that helps you. And like, they just went to Sri Lanka and did this huge media tour. They had designer dresses and makeup. Makeup and nails. And like the full out. It is luxury. And if I'm gonna spend money on a pageant, because we know they're not. Pageants are not cheap. It is the most expensive hobby a woman could probably go for.
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Yeah.
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But it's a business write off.
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Yeah. Especially if you work with Rose.
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Yeah, Right. It's definitely a business write off if you work it right. And I feel like the Queen of the world works it right. They know how to promote their queens.
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I want to know what your plan is after you win Queen of the World.
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So in January, I'm gonna compete for usa. I think my plan is gonna keep doing what I'm doing now. I'm not gonna, like, change everything. And I feel like a lot of queens are like, oh, well, when I win, I'm gonna do this.
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Wow.
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I'm like, no, you're gonna keep doing it whether you win or not. And that's what I feel like. Pageant queens kind of mess up, but I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing. I'm going to work my platform. It's so dear to my heart, and then help other queens with their pr. Do my own pr. And then my daughters want to compete, so I just want to show them, like, pageant world is really.
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You're gonna be so busy.
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I know five girls in the pageant world. I'm like, oh, oh, we forgot in.
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The bio, she's a mother of six.
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Mother of six. Six. Yeah.
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And you're still under 30.
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Yeah.
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This is crazy.
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One more year. One more year.
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Wow. But okay, so.
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But my platform is, like, really dear. So I'm not. I'm not gonna change who I am for the crown. I'm going to just keep doing what I'm doing. And I have a bunch of galas. I have New York Fashion Week. My daughters are walking in New York Fashion Week this year. So excited.
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Are you gonna walk?
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I am.
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Okay.
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I am. I'm gonna walk with. For Christy at Glamour Girl. Jonathan Cain. I love Jonathan Cain.
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So you're going to be busy.
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I'm going to be busy, yeah. So I have, like, my whole year planned out. I have a media tour, and if I win, I win. If I don't, I'm just going to keep going with my media tour and just work my book and work everything.
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So I have to ask this, and I've never asked on my podcast before, but it's a common on stage question.
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Okay.
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And I feel like you're the perfect person to ask because this system is so established already, but you're also very established yourself. So do you need the crown or does the crown need you?
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I think the crown needs me. Well, I don't know. I don't know. That's a. That's a tricky question. Because the crown is so established, But I feel like with my PR background and working with brands and stuff, I can bring to the. To the crown, but I feel like the crown can bring to me too. So I'm not Quite sure how to answer that question.
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I feel like it's going to be so mutually beneficial.
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Very mutually beneficial.
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So now I want to talk about your advocacy.
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So Rise up womenpreneurs is my conference. So I started off as a conference, and we toured twice this year. One in Houston, one in Nashville. Basically, women that are wanting to start sharing their stories, but they don't want to hire a publicist, and they. They just don't know what the next steps are or if they even want to speak to a crowd. So we had 12amazing speakers this year. They all had their stories to tell. And at the end of the day, a woman has a story to tell, a man has a story to tell, but it' just how they present that story and how. How they've used their story to move forward with their life, how they're being powerful to the world. And so that's why I started Rise Up. Like, let's. Let's share your story. Let's get women in the. In a crowd. Let's see how you can help them change or even motivate them or anything. But your story may resonate with someone. You never know what they went through. Like, I stood up this year, and I was like, I haven't been very open with what's happened to me. Everybody knows I was in foster care, and everybody knows I was trafficked, and they know I wrote a book about it, but they didn't really know the details. So I stood up this year, and I was like, I'm gonna start sharing my story in more depth. So I stood up and I shared, and I looked down while I shared, and then I looked up, and everybody's crying, and I'm like, oh, my. Oh, my goodness. Okay, I'm not gonna share anymore. And they were like, no, no, no, you have to share. You have.
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So this was at last year's conference?
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Yeah, this was in October, so a couple weeks ago. Yeah, it just happened. And this was in Nashville. And so I was like, okay, I'm so sorry for letting. Making you all cry. And they're like, no, you have. One woman pulled me and says she's. I never want to share my story because I feel like people are going to judge me. And, like, yeah, people will judge you. At the end of the day, people are going to judge you. And that was something I had a hard time with. Like, yeah, I was. Was abused. You know, I was. I was trafficked. I was a foster child. Literally, people told me I was trash. Like, I was unwanted, and I would carry Myself in. From house to house in a trash bag. A literal, like, trash bag. And it had holes in it, and I'd have to beg for a new trash pack, you know? And so it's like, okay. And she's like, well, I was in foster care, and I. I don't tell anybody. I'm like, why?
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Wow.
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So I. I feel like we need to be more proud of where we come from. And I would never change. I get asked all the time, what would you change about your past? I wouldn't change anything.
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Wow.
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I wouldn't change what I went through because I'm helping other people get through what they went through. Unfortunately, it was a horrible event, multiple events, but it made me who I am today. It made me the mother I am today.
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In your book, you told me when I was doing your makeup that people didn't feel like you shared enough. So what are some things that you haven't shared in your book that you think is important to share now?
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So recently, I got my CPS paperwork, and it was kind of hard for me because I always thought, like, well, the guys that. That did this to me, the people that did this to me, they went to jail.
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Wow.
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They did not. They did not. In the 90s, they did classes for offenders, and I was like, wait a second. I was 2 years old, and I'm like, reading this. And I gave it to my husband. I'm like, am I reading this right? Did they send him to sex offender classes? And then he's like, yeah, they. They did. I'm like, okay. I was 2 years old, and I was telling CPS all these things that. With dolls and showing them what happened to me, and they sent them to classes, and I feel like also, my mother was so young when she had me. She was 15 years old, and she. Because she had an opioid addiction, they didn't take her seriously when they. She. She brought me three times to the hospital for what she thought was molestation, and they didn't believe her. And she gets frustrated, and she'd leave, and she didn't know what to do, so she'd leave me with someone. And. And so finally, she was trying to work she. To turn her life around. She didn't have the child care, so she left me in a bathroom. And.
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How old were you?
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I was 3. And a neighbor heard me crying, I guess, through the walls for a long period. And so they came in and they got me, and I think. I think she might have left me for a couple of days because they said, I had a bowl of ramen and a bowl of water, and mice were eating the ramen, and it was like, okay. And I kind. Like, you have these flashbacks, you know, But I never really. Like, I knew my situation. I knew that they found me in a bathroom, and I. I knew I had ramen, but was like, the mice. I was reading about the mice, and I was like, oh, that's horrible. And I will joke. I like to turn my. My stuff. I'm like, this is why I like ramen. So I love ramen too. Like, man, I really love ramen. And. But, like, I literally just got my paperwork a couple months ago, and so we've. I've been trying. I've only made it, like, halfway through the first box. There's five boxes. And I'm like, I'm having such a hard time just getting through it, but I think we always feel better when people have been brought to justice. And now I'm like, feeling like they weren't actually brought to justice.
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Do you have any clue where they are now at all? You do?
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Yeah. So one of them was my. My grandmother's step. Like, no. My grandmother's husband. So my step grandfather. So my birth mom had gone through a lot of trauma, and. And it kind of. It says that I'm like, fifth generation of incest rape.
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Wow.
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Yeah. So I was like, okay. So she. My mother had been abused, and her grandmother. Her mother didn't believe her. And my. My grandmother's mom had been abused, and her mother didn't believe her. And she. Oh, my God. She ended up.
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So it's generational.
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Yeah. And so my mom's dad went to jail for a long time, and then she got married to another guy, and he had a relationship with both of her daughters, and they were minors, like, I hear a lot of the time. Well, I was a minor. It was. It was consensual. I don't care if you were a minor. Yeah. And you said, yeah, sure, you were nine years old.
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Yeah.
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11 years old, 15 years old. It's not consensual at the end of the day. And so she just was like, okay, well, I love him. So then my mom just struggled so bad with. With addiction. By the time she was 15, she had me, and.
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He.
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He started abusing me at six months. On what?
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Wow.
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Yeah. But he. So when I was taken, he. He fought for me, which is so weird. So weird. And they ended up like, no, he had to take his offender classes.
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Wow.
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And so I. When I came out with my book Because I changed my name when I was adopted, I. I changed my name, but I figured that if. If my book went viral or something, he might be able to figure it out. And he figured it out pretty quickly.
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What was his reaction?
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He sent me an email, and it was like, you may not remember me, but I didn't do this to you. And I was like, well, no, you did. I. Because I remember. Like, if you read my book, there's a page. Like, I remember what was on the wall. He had these clown masks, like, theater masks.
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Oh, my gosh.
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On the walls. And he had a pet snake. And I remember. And I remember his silhouette, and I remember his name. And so I was like, no, you. You did. I was young, but you did.
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Wow.
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B
And he was like, well, I have this. Oh, this creepy. I got this creepy email. He's like, I made this video of you when you were a kid, and still on YouTube. And it has my nickname and my birth name on it. And it's like, I'm looking for her, and I'm like, like, oh, my. She would be 18 now. And I'm like, ew, okay, great. And so when my. My mom lost her, right? She cut. She cut. She ended up. She couldn't handle it. She just. She spiraled and she cut her family out, and. And she fought for me for three years. And finally when she. She. She got arrested for a dwi, they told her, you know, you can relinquish your rights or you can start paying child support and paying us back for the care. And so she ended up relinquishing her rights, and she died a year later.
- [25:15]
A
Wow.
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B
But he. He had. He'll email me every year on my birthday. Happy birthday. I have this. This album of you if you want it. I'm like, nope, I don't want childhood photos that bad, because I don't have any.
- [25:27]
A
Wow.
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B
I'm like, I'm good.
- [25:29]
A
Yeah.
- [25:29]
B
I have three photos of my CPS paperwork that I just got, and I was so happy to get those.
- [25:33]
A
How did you feel when you saw them?
- [25:35]
B
My kids are like, like, who is that? And I was like, it's me. They're like, no, it's me. But I don't remember that. Like, I'm like, my daughters look so much like me. Oh, my gosh. So that was actually heartwarming to see them, but it's also, like, kind of, like, sad to see, like, that I was such a little girl going through so much, and I. To look. To know where I am today maybe would have helped Me a little more through.
- [26:06]
A
It's insane. Like, the turnaround in your life because now you're so successful. I think you're a celebrity status, you're representing celebrities, you're on tv. Like, your life is so abundant and, like, I feel like it's very perfect right now from the outside looking in. So how did you get to that point?
- [26:25]
B
Well, so I. I had a lot of people tell me while I was in foster care, like, I had some abuse happen while in foster care, the trafficking and stuff. And my caseworker told me, he's just like, no one wants you right now. We can't put this in your record. If we put it in your record, you're still not going to be wanted. So at this point, I was seven years old. She's like, I don't think you're going to be adopted. And if we put this in your record, you're just. You're not going to amount to anything. And so going to the group homes while my foster families went on vacation, because I wasn't allowed to go with them. And so I would hear constantly from the adults and other foster children, like teenagers, like, we're not going to amount to anything. We're just going to be one. At that time. It's not really acceptable now, but statistics showed then that if you were abused, you were going to be gay. And so at that time, it was like, oh, you don't want to do that. It wasn't. It wasn't acceptable. And then now, or you're gonna be a drug addict, or you're just gonna die really young. And so I had that ingrained in me constantly. Or you're just gonna be like your birth mom, a drug addict and a prostitute and all this. I was like, so. Well, I was adopted. I did not want to be adopted. I told him, I said, I don't want to be adopted. And the judge said, we're not going to finalize her adoption until she wants to be adopted. And I'm like, you should have never done that because it delayed it for so long.
- [27:50]
A
Oh, my gosh.
- [27:51]
B
But they finally. I finally was like, fine, you're just gonna give me back, like, six months anyways. So whatever. They didn't give me back. And. And I will say, like, throughout the six years I was with them, I was like, you're just gonna give me back the whole time? The whole time. And so now I'll talk to her. And I'm like, I'm so sorry. Wow. So. But she was. She was the one who was like, you're not going to. They were very, very conservative, and I hated them for that. But now I personally probably wouldn't be that conservative myself, but I feel like it did save me. You know, you always try to grasp onto something, and I grasp onto Christianity and I grasped on to the high level, like, Mennonite Christianity. Like, they were like, you're not going to be a lesbian and you're not going to be promiscuous.
- [28:44]
A
Backfire.
- [28:45]
B
I know, right? Like, I mean, I got married very young and they were like, not happy about that.
- [28:52]
A
Yeah.
- [28:52]
B
And I started having children. But I was, I was dedicated. I was like, I am not going to be like my mom. I'm just not. And I felt, I get asked all the time, like, hey, are you angry at her? I'm like, no, I'm not. She was 15 years old.
- [29:08]
A
Yeah.
- [29:08]
B
She was a child when she had me, and she died at 20. Like, she, I feel like she didn't have that family. I mean, she was put into foster care and then given back to her family. And, and she just didn't have that support. Support system. And at the end of the day, if you don't have that support system, you wouldn't. You won't be where you are. And so I eventually got that support system and I had that dedication. And my husband, he, he, he really pushes me as well. And so I've, I, I was like, I'm gonna be a stay at home mom and all this stuff. And so I had my degree by the time I was 18. And.
- [29:49]
A
Wow.
- [29:49]
B
I got married at 18. I had my first child at 19. And I looked at my husband, I was like, we've been eating lentil soup for a week and I can't. One, the smell. And then two, I don't want to eat lentil soup.
- [30:04]
A
Oh, my God.
- [30:05]
B
And he's. But I was so stubborn. I didn't want to be on government assistance because I felt like that was a back step.
- [30:11]
A
Yeah.
- [30:12]
B
That if I got on government assistance, I was going to be my mom. And again, I wasn't mad at her. I just, I wanted to be better and I wanted. So I, I refused to be on. Eventually someone looked at me and it was a caseworker and she's like, hey, it's okay if you're on assistance. Use it as a stepping stone. So it's like, okay. I guess because we were struggling. We. He had just gotten his master's degree. He was working at the prison. We had three kids at that. Now by then by the time he was 20. And I was like, okay, I can't do this anymore. It's not working. I can't just live paycheck to paycheck. And he was at that mindset, like, I don't want a wife that works. You know, I wanna. You want to watch the kids? And so I was, like, racking my brain. So I became a doula. But I. My degree was in marketing, and so I started helping other birth workers kind of, like, navigate social media.
- [31:11]
A
Wow.
- [31:12]
B
And then I, I, I did doula work, and that was very fulfilling. I will say, there's something about helping bring children in the world, maybe.
- [31:21]
A
So magical.
- [31:22]
B
Yeah. And so. But then Covet hit, and it's like, okay, I can't. I, I became very successful. I was the number one doula company in Texas. And I did celebrity clients. I was getting flown out to Canada and New York and all this, like. And so I rose. People just, I guess, draw to me. I don't. I don't know. But. And then I, I went on to hgtv, and we gave nurseries to moms in need, postpartum care for a year, and diapers and.
- [31:54]
A
And how did that opportunity come about?
- [31:56]
B
I just was talking. I went to a networking group. I'm telling you, you have to go to networking groups.
- [32:01]
A
Wow.
- [32:02]
B
I went to a networking group and there was a producer there, and I was like, hey, like, I have this idea. And he's like, I love this. I was like, okay. And he's like, let's do it.
- [32:15]
A
What?
- [32:15]
B
And I was like, really? And then Covet hit, and he was like, okay, well, we have to kind of, you know, the COVID rules and stuff. But we continued to film.
- [32:25]
A
Wow.
- [32:25]
B
It was three of us. Me, the other host, and then the producer. And we, because of COVID we edited the videos. We did everything. We sent it to them brands. Loved it.
- [32:36]
A
Wow.
- [32:36]
B
We've renewed for a second season. I just haven't had the time. The time to film. I need to.
- [32:43]
A
And you just had another baby.
- [32:44]
B
I just had another baby. My last baby, I promise.
- [32:47]
A
And of course, during COVID Carol Baskin happened. And she got you busier than you thought.
- [32:52]
B
Yeah. And then I sold another show to Netflix.
- [32:55]
A
What show?
- [32:57]
B
7 India on that one. Okay. Can't say. But again, it was a networking event on Clubhouse. I was like, hey, I have this idea. And the Netflix CEO was on, like, people were, Were. Were crunching during COVID and I told him. He's like, love it. Here's the money. And I'm like, cool. Oh, my gosh, that's awesome. And so. And it became really successful. And so now everybody's like, so when's your next one? So I just sold my movie rights for my book.
- [33:28]
A
Okay.
- [33:29]
B
So I'm writing the part two now. It's due by the end of February. We'll see. But hopefully. I really want to. For this movie, I want it to be. I wanted to portray what a real foster care child looks like, and I want them to see us carrying our garbage bags and going home to home and seeing, like, what we went through. And that's kind of how I started dying inside was. I really was dying inside. And I would try to talk to people, and it was just like, well, you're kind of lower, lower class. Okay. And so I really, during COVID Covid changed my life. I had Carole Baskin. I wrote my book. I started pageant pageantry, and it just kind of blossomed from there. Now I. I have 2 million in reach with the social media and brands are flying me everywhere, and I represent all these amazing women, and it's just kind of. Kind of just fallen into place. And wow. It's been amazing. And I wouldn't change it. I wouldn't change anything from my past.
- [34:33]
A
Wow.
- [34:34]
B
I would rather it happen to me than someone else at the end of the day. I mean, I reading it, my husband is like, I look at you and you would never know. He's like, this is horrible. Like, he won't even finish reading it. And we're not even halfway through. We're not even a quarter through the paperwork. I'm like, you know what? I'm only reading it so I can write my. My second part of my book better, because I really want. I want people to understand and I want them to treat foster children. And I feel like with the whole industry coming to play, where trafficking is concerned and abuse is concerned, it is coming out. But I want people to feel empowered, and I want them to be able to tell their story and not be ashamed. And that's just kind of like where I'm at right now. Like, tell me your story. Let's. Let's figure out how to share it. Let's figure out how you're going to change the world. And I really mean change the world.
- [35:30]
A
So as a victim, what helped you overcome your trauma in the past?
- [35:34]
B
Talking about it more again, I was like, I was so ashamed. I didn't want anybody to know. I didn't do well in public school and private school because everybody knew because I went I went in as Tarina Marie Channel to Rose. Janice.
- [35:48]
A
You know that name? Was it Rosalie or something?
- [35:51]
B
Yeah, Rosalie.
- [35:52]
A
Love it.
- [35:52]
B
Yeah. Well, they were like, what do you want to be? And I was like, skunk. And they're like, no, because I went through this weird phase where I didn't want anybody to touch me.
- [36:00]
A
Yeah.
- [36:00]
B
Which not weird, given the circumstances. So I was like, I'm skunk. And then I was like, well, now I want to be star. And they're like, can we pick something else? So I was like, rose. And they're like, yes.
- [36:14]
A
So pretty.
- [36:15]
B
I don't even know how I came up with the lease. I think we were just, like, going through top. Top name sites and. And that came to be. And. But I love picking names. My daughters have beautiful names. So I'm like, my son is John.
- [36:30]
A
Oh.
- [36:31]
B
He's the first boy. And he's like, you could have come up with something more. I'm like, well, you're like, John vii. My husband is Scottish. So I was like, that's a tradition. I had to name you John. That's cute.
- [36:41]
A
What's your middle name?
- [36:42]
B
Conrad. My dad's. My adopted dad's name.
- [36:45]
A
Very demure.
- [36:46]
B
Right? And then my daughters are Athena, Rose, Genevieve, Elise.
- [36:52]
A
Genevieve is so pretty.
- [36:54]
B
Yeah. She goes by Evie. Oh, my God. And then we have Arabella, Grace, Persephone May, and Anastasia Marie.
- [37:02]
A
I might steal some of these names. I know, like, nice. Like, old money names.
- [37:07]
B
It was, like, elegance.
- [37:09]
A
Yeah.
- [37:09]
B
And my kids are very proud of their name. Oh, my gosh.
- [37:13]
A
So with your background, how has navigating parenting been?
- [37:17]
B
So I was really afraid when I had my first kid, I was gonna have a hard time connecting with my child, and so I kind of became an overbearing parent. I was like, no one is allowed to touch my. My baby, because I really wanted to bond. And then you have this stress of motherhood, like you have to breastfeed or you're a bad mother. And, like, all this stuff, like, so much is out there. And so I struggled really hard with breastfeeding him. And. But I. And I. I did. And then I ended up pregnant again and again. But I love being a mom. I knew I wanted to be a mom. I knew I wanted to have a large family, and I wanted to be a mom to my children. And then I wanted to adopt and foster, and I wanted to wait until my kids were a certain age so they understood because I want to adopt older children.
- [38:06]
A
And so is that still part of the plan?
- [38:09]
B
Wow. Yeah. So we're Gonna wait until my youngest is about 4 years old and then go from there. But we currently with the non profit, we help with rehabilitation of aging out because they'll age out. And they're like, now what?
- [38:24]
A
Wow.
- [38:24]
B
They've been talked down to their whole life. Like they usually do become drug addicts or whatever else.
- [38:32]
A
How did you find the confidence to start your own business and put yourself out there?
- [38:37]
B
My husband, he was. He really encouraged me. He's like, well, if this is something you really want to do. But I was trying to like, rack up my mind because we had five kids.
- [38:48]
A
Wow.
- [38:48]
B
Or three kids at that time. And was like, I can't afford child care. And so it's like, so if I'm a doula. We kind of rotated shifts. And he was like, okay, whatever you want to do, let's do it. Let's figure it out. And so we did. And there's so many times I was like, I'm done. I don't want to do this. I'm tired. I'm. I'm a mom. I'm an entrepreneur. And then my husband decided he didn't want to work at the prison anymore in the psych ward. He wanted to open his own private practice. And so then that marketing degree really came to play. And so it, it was my husband, definitely my husband, he was like, you have to do it.
- [39:27]
A
And so you graduated at 18 with a marketing degree. How did you know you wanted to go into marketing? Was it just like an option? And you were like, that's cute. Like that one?
- [39:36]
B
Yeah, right. No. So kind of like that. I was going through a website, like, who makes the most?
- [39:43]
A
Love that for you though.
- [39:44]
B
Like, who makes the most and can possibly work at home? Because that was. I knew I wanted to be a mom. So it's like, if I can work from home and take care of my children and homeschool them, then perfect. And so are they homeschooled?
- [39:59]
A
Wow, I love that. And you're also like dabbling with like homesteading.
- [40:02]
B
Yeah. We have an exotic farm and. And we do the sourdough. My kids love cooking from scratch, which is fun. It's so. It's not even messy because I love, like they have so much fun with it, but it's just. Just time consuming. And so it's like the ballerina farms. I don't know how she. Well, I know how she survives. She survives because she's built this brand. She is a brand. And so that's what I tell everybody. But I, I enjoy it and. But I Am tired a lot.
- [40:34]
A
That's what I wanted to hear because I'm like, so far, you're still making it sound too easy. Even though you're talking about your challenges, I feel like you're still like, oh, and then I did this and I did that.
- [40:43]
B
I feel like if I had started later, I wouldn't.
- [40:45]
A
You wouldn't?
- [40:46]
B
No. Because, you know, I'm 29, and I think my sleep schedule is so off.
- [40:51]
A
Yeah.
- [40:51]
B
So off. Like, I have a newborn. I still. Well, she's one, but I still breastfeed. And I. And then I have the other kids and I. I have a very strict schedule. So, like, in the morning, I homeschool for this, like, amount of time. And then they. They go online and do some, like, extracurricular stuff. And then on Fridays, they go to an enrichment program. So they learn how to bake in Spanish and science club. And so that's what they do on Fridays. And that's when I really do a lot of my work. And then I like, I do a lot of, like, late night calls or I'll like, okay, go triple the trampoline for 30 minutes. I have to take this call.
- [41:28]
A
And you're so on top of it. It's like, if I send an email, I have a response in like 30 minutes. Like, I know you're gonna get back to me that day, so I can't even do that. And I have no kids.
- [41:39]
B
Well, I have a team. I do. I do have a team. I have two assistants, and they stay on top of my. My social media and stuff. And so, like, usually if it's a really fast response, it's because they know how to answer for me. But if it's like 30 minutes to an hour later, it's usually. And it's like super quick. It's me.
- [41:56]
A
Oh, my gosh. So do you have any advice for women?
- [42:00]
B
I would say that no matter what age that you start, whether it's a teenager, by. By getting pregnant as a teen or getting pregnant later in life or not even having children, that at the end of the day, as long as you have a good support team and you, and you, even if you're not confident in yourself, just try. At the end of the day, it's like, what do you have to lose? And I always tell pageant women, like, if you're trying to get sponsors, walk into that Mexican restaurant, tell them what you're doing, tell them your platform, and you might walk out with a check, or you might even walk out with a hug. And I just Give it a try. No matter what. Like, just say yes.
- [42:40]
A
I have a follow up question on that. Did you ever feel ready to start your business?
- [42:45]
B
No. No. I. I'm like an over planner. Like, this is. This could go wrong, and this could go wrong. What if we bankrupt the family and we're on the streets? Like, I was so scared. Like, we're already poor. Like, not poor, but struggling. What if I put us in even more hardship? And my husband was just like, no, just, if you put us up in more hardship, I'll get a second job. Like, and I'm like, I love your husband. And so he, he really, he really did. But at the end of the day, no matter if you have the confidence or not, just do it. What's the worst that can happen?
- [43:22]
A
That's the best advice. Really? You're never gonna feel ready.
- [43:26]
B
No. Never. Yeah.
- [43:29]
A
All right, so we're gonna go into our this or that portion of the show before we wrap it up. So some of them are like pageant questions, some are social media. The first one is going to be crown or sash.
- [43:42]
B
Yes, I like the sash. Like for the USA contestants. We don't get a crown, but I feel like the crown might take away from the title a little. People always want to take a photo with the crown, but now I've had people who will walk up. I'm like, tell me about this.
- [43:57]
A
Oh, that's amazing.
- [43:58]
B
And I'm like, okay, thank you.
- [43:59]
A
Yeah.
- [44:00]
B
And so like, I was at the restaurant, I got in at 11:00 last night, and I had the. Had it on my back on my new jacket, and she stopped me. She's like, what is this? And I'm like. So I told her, she's like, I'm gonna go follow. This is amazing.
- [44:12]
A
Oh, my God.
- [44:13]
B
Definitely the sash over the crown.
- [44:15]
A
Love that. So, speaking of dinner, steak or sushi?
- [44:18]
B
Steak.
- [44:19]
A
Steak.
- [44:20]
B
Yep.
- [44:20]
A
Road trip or fly?
- [44:22]
B
Road trip.
- [44:23]
A
Yeah. Really? Yeah. You're so wholesome.
- [44:26]
B
No, road trip. I. I'm not a big fan of flying, but my family, when they were homeschooling me, whatever we learned that year.
- [44:32]
A
We pack up home school too. Oh, wow.
- [44:34]
B
They'd pack up and we'd go and visit. So I've visited like 40 states.
- [44:39]
A
We have so much in common. I was homeschooled and my parents loved road tripping. And I'm like, until you've truly road tripped, you don't know what you're missing because you think it's lame and you want to fly because it's faster. But road tripping changed my life.
- [44:50]
B
Yeah. My husband was. When we first got to this, I'm never road tripping. I'm like, yes, you are.
- [44:53]
A
It's amazing. Yeah.
- [44:54]
B
And now he's like, so we can just drive this, and it will be there in this the day. Along the way. We could stop here, here, and here.
- [45:00]
A
I'm like, did you have, like, a camper?
- [45:02]
B
Yeah.
- [45:02]
A
Love that.
- [45:04]
B
Yeah.
- [45:06]
A
Photo shoot or fashion show?
- [45:09]
B
Oh, that's a hard one. Fashion show. Because I can interact with people more. Mm. I love the network. Yes.
- [45:18]
A
So you're kind of in the middle, so I don't know if you can answer this question, but I know you've probably been to both coasts or east coast or West Coast.
- [45:25]
B
East Coast.
- [45:26]
A
Really?
- [45:27]
B
Yeah. I like the east coast more. I like the snow and the lobster, but not sushi. Yeah, I'm definitely East Coast.
- [45:38]
A
Platform heels or sandal heels?
- [45:40]
B
Platform heels. I'm short. I gotta compensate.
- [45:44]
A
Me too. Like, they don't make them tall enough.
- [45:46]
B
No, they don't.
- [45:48]
A
Hair or makeup?
- [45:49]
B
Hair.
- [45:50]
A
Yeah.
- [45:50]
B
Mm. Hair.
- [45:52]
A
Shopping online or in person?
- [45:54]
B
Online.
- [45:55]
A
Really?
- [45:56]
B
Yeah.
- [45:56]
A
Yeah. You're busy. You don't have time. I don't have a time.
- [45:59]
B
I can return Monday.
- [46:01]
A
How is your Black Friday and Cyber Monday?
- [46:03]
B
Well, I spent so much money.
- [46:05]
A
Me too.
- [46:05]
B
But it's the best time to do it, especially with six kids.
- [46:08]
A
That's my excuse. I'm like, you know what? Christmas presents? Like, if we're gonna get it, get it.
- [46:13]
B
Yeah. I think I got extensions for myself and end up returning them. But for my kids, I like my Scott. I'm done. I'm not. I'm not doing any more shopping. It's all on the top of my closet, hidden in, like, vegetable boxes, the Costco boxes. So they have no idea.
- [46:27]
A
Do they believe in Santa?
- [46:29]
B
No.
- [46:29]
A
Yeah.
- [46:30]
B
No. My husband really wanted them to, like, believe in Santa, but I didn't. And I feel. I felt kind of like that was lying to them. And then at the end of the day, I was trying to explain to them, like, I was in foster care. My kid. My family, like, foster kids. We got Christmases, but if they had tags on them, the families would take them back for the money. So I usually would get a present. They'd, like, snap a photo, and then it would go back. I think there's one year I got a Barbie scooter, and I got to keep it. I was so excited, so I felt like all these other kids had Santa. I'm like, why? Why didn't Santa bring me stuff? And so I didn't want my kids to, like, because some years maybe we couldn't afford Christmas. Yeah. So we try to do those little things. So my kids don't believe in, in Santa. They do like to go take photos of Santa, though. They love taking photos with Santa.
- [47:17]
A
Yeah. Like, okay, that's so crazy because I also, like, my parents told us from the beginning, Santa's not real. And so I was kind of like that asshole kid that was like, santa's not real. Like, what do you mean?
- [47:28]
B
I know. My daughter asked me actually, actually yesterday morning, is Santa really real or are you just telling us he's not? Because you don't. And I was like, why do you.
- [47:35]
A
That's a crazy thought.
- [47:36]
B
Why do you ask that? And she's like, well, because kids are talking about it at, at the programs. And I'm like, oh, well, some people believe in Santa, but I mean, we're kind of Santa's helpers, I guess. We're Santa. Every parent Santa, you know, Because I don't want my kids to be like, well, why did they get something and we didn't? And I'm just, I'm very honest with my children.
- [47:55]
A
I have, like, no remorse towards my parents about not having a Santa. And I feel like it might have been better because I knew from the beginning wasn't real. Imagine being a child believing this whole magical Santa story and then finding out one day that he's not real. Like, I feel like that's pretty traumatic.
- [48:10]
B
Yeah, it really is. And especially like where the foster kids are less fortunate children are concerned. They just don't understand.
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A
Yeah. So, okay, last question. Reels or tick tock reels? Really?
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B
I gotta get into the tick tock space. Like, I have the following. Really? Yeah, I have a, have a, I have a big following, but I literally, I don't like over editing stuff. And I think I got my following because I'm so honest. I'm like, I don't edit, I don't, I don't like the editing. And I feel like with Talk Tick Tick Tock that you have to edit a little bit more.
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A
There's so much. Yeah, with the filter.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And it's like mostly a shopping app now.
- [48:50]
B
I feel like it's like, yeah, it's turned into a shop and like one up, so. So I'm kind of. I'm not a big ticker tock fan. Instagram, though. I love Instagram.
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A
Yeah, I'm right there with you. I love Instagram. I'm not a Facebook person.
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B
That's just. No that's kind of.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I mean, I snuck and got in a Facebook when it, like, was popular. I pretended I was a college student to have one. But, yeah, now I'm like, oh, no.
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A
Yeah. No, Instagram is, like, my app for sure.
- [49:20]
B
Instagram's my app for sure.
- [49:21]
A
So where can our audience follow you? And when is your pageant?
- [49:25]
B
My. So everybody can follow me at Crawling the Campbells. So I literally corral my children.
- [49:30]
A
I love that name.
- [49:32]
B
Yeah. So Rose Campbell or Crowley and the Campbells. You'll find me on all platforms and then just shoot me a message if. I'm always open to talking to anybody. As far as this pageant is concerned, if you go to Queen of the world, USA's Instagram, they're going to live stream it on January 11th.
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A
Oh, can't wait. I'm gonna set my alarm. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for coming on.
- [49:54]
B
Thank you for having me. It's been so much fun.