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Episode: Kevin O’Leary on Playing the Villain and Turning Attention into Power

Date: January 2, 2026
Hosts: Max Tani (A) & Ben Smith (B)
Guest: Kevin O’Leary (C)

Episode Overview

In this episode, Max Tani and Ben Smith interview businessman and media personality Kevin O’Leary—best known as “Mr. Wonderful” from Shark Tank—about his unexpected foray into acting with a major role in the film Marty Supreme. They discuss the art of playing a villain both on and off screen, how O’Leary leverages attention for influence in business and politics, the evolving media landscape, his stance on the “asshole” persona, his approach to political advocacy, his musical side, and more. The conversation provides candid insights on fame, strategy, and the interplay of media, business, and power.

Major Discussion Points & Insights

1. Landing and Approaching His Role in Marty Supreme

• Origin of the Opportunity: O’Leary recounts being approached to play a supporting role in Marty Supreme—his first scripted acting job—by director Josh Safdie. His agents were skeptical, fearing reputational risk.
  • “The risk with this is you’re going to shit the bed. And when you do that, you’re going to cause a lot of damage to your business and ours.” (O’Leary’s agent, 03:13)
  • He saw the project as a necessary challenge to keep his “brain sharp.”
• Script & Audition Anecdote: O’Leary describes improvising the audition process at his lake house, with the production team flying in to meet him on his terms. A friend, after reading the script, called it “written by some very sick people. This is a very crazy story, but I can’t put it down.” (Gene McBurney, 05:45)

2. On Set with Safdie, Chalamet, and Paltrow

• Improvisational Input: Safdie allowed O’Leary to recraft parts of his character’s dialogue, enhancing authenticity.
  • “They actually let me recraft some of it…That’s pretty smart on their part…once you get that latitude, you’re the character.” (O’Leary, 06:59)
• Acting Experience: O’Leary explains the difference between reality TV (“you don’t see the cameras, just dealmaking”) and scripted film, especially facing off with seasoned actors like Timothée Chalamet.
  • “He just said, look, just be that asshole you are in Shark Tank. Don’t worry about anything.” (O’Leary quoting Safdie, 09:09)

3. The Cultivation of a Public Persona: Embracing the Villain

• Origin of the Shark Tank “Asshole”: Mark Burnett, the show’s producer, told him outright, “I’m looking for a real asshole and you’re it.” (O’Leary, 10:46)
• O’Leary doesn’t see himself as an “asshole,” but rather as someone who tells the truth:
  • “I just simply tell the truth. And you don’t like it, you’re offended, who cares? It’s still the truth.” (O’Leary, 11:11)
• He only cares about respect, not being liked:
  • “What you can achieve is respect...You want people to respect you, not like you. And the way you get respect is you execute.” (O’Leary, 15:01)
  • He shares a Steve Jobs lesson about focusing on high-value tasks, accepting that alienates some people (15:17).

4. Navigating Fame and Using Attention as Leverage

• O’Leary consciously chooses to be high-profile, bucking private equity tradition:
  • “Screw that. And I went and did it [media].” (O’Leary, on declining advice to stay out of TV, 17:49)
  • He frames media visibility as both personal inclination and business strategy:
    “The only way I’m going to get out there is the media.” (18:03)
• Discusses the leverage conferred by his ubiquity—ranging from international recognition via Shark Tank (travels as ‘ambassador’ of the American Dream; 18:38) to political access and influence:
  • “The number one export of America is… the American dream. And Shark Tank encapsulates the American dream beyond politics.” (19:07)

5. Media, Streaming, and the Future of Television

• O’Leary foresees an eventual full move from linear TV to streaming, citing his own children’s viewing habits (24:41).
• Predicts the continued importance of curation and the relevance of content over medium (25:04).
• Shares a favorite Shark Tank anecdote about misjudging a quirky product—cat DNA tests—which ended up as a massive success (25:52).

6. The Value of Theatrical Moviegoing

• Having experienced both digital premieres and packed screenings, O’Leary now champions the communal aspect of movie theaters:
  • “It’s very important that you go see that movie with a community around you…If I was just watching this in my man cave, it would not be the same thing.” (O’Leary, 27:19)

7. Political Engagement and Media Power

• O’Leary frames his frequent cable news appearances as vehicles to advocate for policy, not personalities:
  • “I don’t shill for politicians, including Trump. I shill for their policy.” (29:37)
  • Example: Describes lobbying on tax law to protect small business owners from punitive audits (31:00).
• He confirms regular communication with policymakers—occasionally Trump himself—crediting his media prominence for policy influence.
• Shares direct criticism of Trump on issues like foreign student visas, but supports the “scorecard” on results (32:48–33:16).
• Reflects on past Canadian political ambitions and the dangers of entering the political fray (33:16–34:00).
• Expresses respect for politicians across the spectrum, citing recent cordial conversations even with ideological opponents like NYC Mayor Zoran Mamdani and Elizabeth Warren (34:19).

8. Musicianship and Online Fandom

• O’Leary discusses maintaining musical skill—including impromptu Instagram Live sessions and learning from John Mayer.
  • “You can’t get better unless you practice. There’s no way to get better…John Mayer…said, ‘slow it down.’” (Kevin O’Leary, 35:31)
• Aware of online communities aggregating his guitar clips, he appreciates feedback as a form of personal growth (36:51–37:40).

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You’re not a scripted guy, you’re not an actor…The risk with this is you’re going to shit the bed.”
  —Kevin’s agent (03:09)

• “Where is that written that I’m going to shit the bed as an actor?”
  —Kevin O’Leary (03:18)

• “Imagine the amount of time they’re spending [writing essays about hating me]…I got to respect that.”
  —Kevin O’Leary, discussing internet haters (11:48)

• “What you can achieve is respect…The way you get respect is you execute.”
  —Kevin O’Leary on leadership (15:02)

• “I don’t shill for politicians, including Trump. I shill for their policy.”
  —Kevin O’Leary on media advocacy (29:38)

• “You want Shark Tank pictures for their kids…It’s like unbelievable. The number one export of America is…the American dream.”
  —Kevin O’Leary on global reach of the show (19:08)

• “No, I don’t think so…When you’re a politician, 50%…hates you, and 2.5% want to kill you. That’s the difference.”
  —O’Leary on whether he’ll return to Canadian politics (33:22–33:47)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:01] — Kevin on getting offered the movie role and his approach to risk
• [06:42] — On improvising the character with Josh Safdie
• [08:26] — Comparing Shark Tank and acting (transferable skills, working with Chalamet)
• [10:33] — Origin of his “asshole” persona on Shark Tank
• [14:57] — Has public perception of being an “asshole” changed him?
• [15:01] — On seeking respect over popularity; Steve Jobs anecdote
• [17:03] — On entering media and its relationship to business power
• [18:38] — The value and reach of Shark Tank as an “ambassadorship”
• [23:22] — How reality television and viewing habits are changing
• [25:52] — Shark Tank curation story: cat DNA test deal
• [27:11] — On the enduring power of movie theaters
• [29:36] — Why O’Leary does political TV appearances and their impact
• [31:00] — Tax law lobbying example; specifics of policy advocacy
• [34:22] — On meeting Zoran Mamdani and interacting with political adversaries
• [35:31] — Discussing guitar practice, online feedback, and learning from John Mayer
• [37:55] — Final reflections: “Let’s see what happens with Marty Supreme. Did I shit the bed or not?”

Hosts’ Takeaways & Reflections

• Max and Ben reflect on news revealed: O’Leary’s behind-the-scenes efforts to get Mark Cuban back on Shark Tank (38:19), and the show’s distribution disputes.
• They note O’Leary’s strategic thinking, emphasizing how every media appearance is part of a deliberate plan to increase leverage in business and politics.
• Ben observes:
  • “This is how power works now, that the currency of attention is more valuable than money.” (39:42)
• Max highlights that O’Leary is unapologetically deliberate and calculating in leveraging media across all spheres.

Conclusion

The episode paints Kevin O’Leary as a savvy operator who has intentionally shaped and deployed his media persona—the “villain,” the blunt truth-teller—across ventures in business, politics, and now film, recognizing that in today’s world, attention and narrative control are the ultimate sources of power. The hosts unpack these strategies and how they transfer from television and business to new cultural frontiers.

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