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Episode: Steve Inskeep on NPR cuts, Iran, and radio’s place in the podcast era

Hosts: Max Tani & Ben Smith
Guest: Steve Inskeep (Host, NPR Morning Edition & Up First)
Date: June 27, 2025

Episode Overview

This episode features a wide-ranging conversation with Steve Inskeep, the longtime host of NPR’s Morning Edition and contributor to the Up First podcast. The hosts, Max Tani and Ben Smith, explore Inskeep’s perspectives on the evolving landscape of radio and podcasting, NPR’s role and challenges amid political funding debates, and Inskeep’s deep experience reporting internationally—especially from Iran. The discussion touches on the value of “old-school” journalism in a fragmented, opinion-heavy media world, and the challenge of serving a broad American audience in increasingly polarized times.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Steve Inskeep’s Routine and Approach to Journalism

• Early Mornings & Preparation:
  • Inskeep describes his schedule:

    “I get up at 3 o'clock in the morning, Eastern time. The workday starts about 4 eastern time and the show has to start at 5am. Cannot be one second late…Everything I've ever done becomes preparation for everything I'm going to do.” — Steve Inskeep [05:02]

  • He emphasizes continuous curiosity and always being prepared by staying informed on domestic and international affairs.

2. The Value and Purpose of Radio in the Podcast Era

• Radio’s Reach vs. Podcasting’s Influence:
  • Inskeep distinguishes radio as a mass medium—still with millions of listeners (“If I told you that I had a podcast with 10 million listeners, I might impress you... and that's what the radio show is” [06:33])—versus podcasts like Up First and The Daily, which attract more elite and younger audiences.
  • He notes Up First’s intentional format (“three stories in about 10 or 12 minutes”) optimized for efficiency and breadth, calling it “the front page in audio form” [07:26].
• Format Adaptation:
  • Inskeep admits NPR was “way too late” in differentiating formats between radio, podcast, and long-form web/video interviews but is now actively repurposing interviews for multiple platforms [09:30].

3. NPR’s Role and the Public Funding Debate

• Local vs. National Journalism:
  • Inskeep clarifies that most federal funds go to local stations, supporting local journalism and a distributed reporting network:

    “Because of that system … I get to be part of an organization … with several thousand reporters across the United States … not too much media, I think. I hope you would agree … There's not enough local coverage. There's a lot less than there was.” — Steve Inskeep [13:15]

  • He highlights collaborative newsrooms (like The Texas Newsroom) as crucial in an era where local newspaper staff have been gutted [14:28].
• Government Funding:
  • While Inskeep avoids direct political commentary on NPR’s funding, he underscores NPR’s journalistic value and necessity, particularly in providing local news.

4. Reporting from Abroad & The Value of the Outsider Perspective

• Inskeep’s International Approach:

  • Inskeep, an “American voice with an international eye,” defends the need for Americans (even non-experts) to report from abroad and serve as translators for the U.S. audience:

    “If you're humble about the fact that you don't know the country that well … you can become a kind of translator yourself.” [16:51]

  • He notes unique challenges for correspondents, especially in Iran, where being non-Iranian can sometimes facilitate access—though he’s keenly aware of the risks and ethical obligations [18:35].

• Notable Anecdote:

  • Inskeep recounts interviewing Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in 2009 and referencing Elie Wiesel’s Night during a challenging exchange about Holocaust denial [20:09].
  • He details how bringing up an imprisoned Iranian contact’s case led to their release—a rare example of journalism making a direct impact [23:01].

5. Critiquing American Understanding of the World and the Media’s Role

• Surface-level Understanding:
  • Inskeep laments the inadequate, often simplistic analysis of Iran and international issues in U.S. media:

    “If you want to understand who are the people there, how do they live? … it might be better to have a more nuanced understanding … I would argue is another reason for me to be going overseas.” [27:25]

• Focus on the Basics:
  • Despite information overload, Inskeep argues for always centering the basics and context for listeners, given the constant flood of breaking news:

    “…it's good for me to remind them or to remind myself of the basics and just constantly focus on the basics. The basics, the basics, the basics.” [29:20]

6. Political Polarization, Bias, and Media Fragmentation

• NPR’s Audience & Partisanship:
  • While NPR’s audience has shifted more Democratic in recent years, Inskeep insists on serving listeners across the spectrum, welcomes all voices on air (even those who oppose NPR’s funding), and avoids direct accusations of hypocrisy [31:39].
  • He tells a story illustrating congressional Republicans privately consuming and appreciating NPR content, regardless of their public stances [31:39].
• Media Fragmentation & Trust:
  • Inskeep sees a return to “pre-broadcast era” fragmentation:

    “…thousands of other media organizations whose business model is to tell their audience not to trust the media and only to trust them.” [35:11]

  • He argues for radical transparency as the antidote to distrust:

    “It's okay not to trust the media, but my job…is to be trustworthy or maybe even make it so you don’t have to trust me—to be so transparent about what I learned and how I learned it and so fair that you understand what I'm trying to tell you and why.” [37:21]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Journalism as Ongoing Preparation:

  “Everything I've ever done becomes preparation for everything I'm going to do.” — Steve Inskeep [05:02]

• On Format Diversification:

  “We have lately started what I’m calling…an all-platform interview. You mentioned Dave Portnoy. We’ve done a variety of people. AOC…Steve Bannon…It becomes a podcast episode…an Up First…on the radio…And the radio, I think…is a little more like a magazine profile…” — Steve Inskeep [09:30]

• On Talking to Populist Leaders:

  “There are people who would ask, why would you dare talk to this terrible man? You talk to him because you can get information and occasionally something more.” — Steve Inskeep [22:45]

• On Value of Foreign Reporting:

  “If you’re humble about the fact that you don’t know the country that well…you can become a kind of translator yourself.” — Steve Inskeep [16:51]

• On Navigating Skepticism:

  “It’s okay that people don’t trust the media…my job as a member of a media organization is to be trustworthy or maybe even make it so that you don’t have to trust me…” — Steve Inskeep [37:21]

• Hosts on Inskeep’s Style:

  “He is like old school to me in like the most charming way…genuinely open minded, interested…” — Max Tani [39:24] “Do you think he’s one of the last of that kind of breed, like…the totally straight down the middle, unflappable, straight out of Capital J journalism reporters?” — Ben Smith [41:51]

Timestamps for Important Segments

• [05:02] — Inskeep’s morning routine and preparation
• [06:33] — Comparative value of radio and podcasts
• [07:26] — The design and audience for Up First
• [09:30] — Adapting content for multiple platforms
• [13:15] — Explaining NPR’s public funding, local stations, and network model
• [16:51] — Value and ethics of American correspondents reporting abroad
• [20:09] — Ahmadinejad interview and the role of engagement
• [27:25] — Gaps in U.S. understanding of Iran/foreign affairs
• [29:20] — The challenge of maintaining basic understanding amid information overload
• [31:39] — Political polarization, NPR’s audience, and funding debates
• [35:11] — The fragmented media landscape and media trust

Final Reflections & Tone

The episode closes with Tani and Smith reflecting admiringly on Inskeep’s blend of curiosity, humility, and professionalism. They note his dedication to understanding both the newsmakers and ordinary people he interviews, and see him as emblematic of an “old school” journalism ethos that remains valuable—even as new forms and audiences continue to emerge.

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