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For many Jonny Matthews, former PM at Brevan Howard and publisher of SuperMacro, has emphatically rejected the case for a recession in the U.S. Recent economic data is causing him to reevaluate his view. While he still calls himself a “recession denier,” Matthews now thinks a slowdown is already occurring in the U.S. that will *look* like stagflation in the fall. Whether it will actually be “real stagflation” is a different question. But Matthews has a bearish view on stocks and bonds, while acknowledging that putting on these trades are difficult and that he is waiting for the right time. Recorded on August 6, 2025.