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Emerging market outperformance is turning investors’ heads and in this episode of Other People’s Money, Robert Koenigsberger, CIO and founder of multi-billion dollar EM alternative asset manager Gramercy, explains why the macro environment has emerging markets looking more developed than some developed markets, particularly in how swiftly their central banks acted to combat inflation. He also explains how passive index investing can do damage to an emerging market portfolio and why the typical EM approach focusing on exposure is all wrong. Koenigsberger also dives into the structural advantages of emerging market private credit over its developed market counterparts, emphasizing the importance of local networks, senior secured collateral, and having a positive influence on corporate governance.

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Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

00:36 Pictet AI ETFs

01:54 How EM Investing Evolved

02:48 Why EMs Outperformed

04:08 Debt vs Equity Returns

06:09 Policy Convergence EM vs. DM

08:33 Diversifying Beyond Dollar

11:30 EM Private Credit

14:57 Pictet AI ETFs

16:32 Why Borrowers Choose Private

21:06 Defining EM Alpha

25:23 Index Construction Pitfalls

28:57 True Distress and Asymmetry

33:14 China Property Deep Value

35:15 Picking Winners at Five Cents

38:33 Sovereign Timing Checklist

40:07 Sanctions and “Uninvestibility”

43:37 Structuring Downside Control

44:58 Creditor Groups Collaboration

48:55 Restructuring Deal Template

50:23 Warrants Windfalls Risks

53:19 Governance in Private Credit

59:02 Underwriting People Networks

01:02:43 Hedging Without Shorting

01:05:49 Allocator Case for EM Credit

01:08:40 Liquidity Myths and Cycles