Financial New Year’s Resolutions That Work with Peter Mallouk (CEO of Creative Planning)

Summary

Episode Summary: Financial New Year’s Resolutions That Work with Peter Mallouk

Podcast Information:

• Title: Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
• Host: Nicole Lapin
• Guest: Peter Mallouk, President and CEO of Creative Planning
• Episode Title: Financial New Year’s Resolutions That Work with Peter Mallouk (CEO of Creative Planning)
• Release Date: December 30, 2024

Introduction

In this episode of Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin, host Nicole Lapin engages in a comprehensive discussion with Peter Mallouk, the President and CEO of Creative Planning, an esteemed wealth management and investment advisory firm managing over $300 billion in assets. The conversation centers on effective financial New Year’s resolutions, strategies to achieve financial goals, and common investing pitfalls to avoid in the upcoming year.

1. Making Financial Resolutions Stick

Nicole opens the dialogue by highlighting the high abandonment rate of New Year’s resolutions, particularly financial ones, noting that "61% make money-related resolutions" but many do not follow through. She poses the question to Peter on how to ensure these resolutions are actionable and sustainable.

Peter responds by emphasizing the importance of consistency and persistence over mere motivation. He states:

"The real way to win isn't motivation, it's the consistency and persistency. So the things you can do to put that on your side are to make things automatic."
— Peter Mallouk [04:19]

He advocates for automating financial actions, such as setting up automatic transfers to investment accounts, to overcome the inertia that often derails financial plans.

2. Breaking Down Financial Goals

Addressing the challenge of lofty financial ambitions, Peter advises breaking down large goals into manageable steps. He explains the concept of "reverse engineering" financial targets:

"If the goal is to become a millionaire, then you start to back into how much has to be put away to do that... If your math says you've got to save $500 a month to get where you want to go... It can be a small amount today and as your income grows, make it bigger."
— Peter Mallouk [05:39]

This approach makes significant financial objectives attainable by starting with smaller, consistent contributions that can be increased over time.

3. Common Investing Mistakes

Peter outlines five prevalent mistakes investors make, providing insights on how to avoid them:

• a. Market Timing ([06:12]–[09:00])

  Peter critiques the strategy of trying to predict market highs and lows, labeling it as a common but flawed approach:

  "The probability you're going to stick with it is going to be pretty low."
  — Peter Mallouk [07:54]

  He highlights that market timing often leads to missed opportunities and subpar returns, advising investors to maintain a consistent investment approach regardless of market conditions.

• b. Active Trading vs. Investing ([09:00]–[12:04])

  Differentiating between active trading and long-term investing, Peter warns against frequent buying and selling of stocks:

  "70 to 95% of professionals losing the market over a 10 year period."
  — Peter Mallouk [11:15]

  He explains that active trading can result in higher taxes and "cash drag," reducing overall investment performance, and recommends a disciplined, long-term investment strategy instead.

• c. Misunderstanding Performance and Volatility ([12:04]–[13:20])

  Peter clarifies the distinction between market volatility and actual investment risk:

  "The market does not go up and down. The market goes up with brief periods, sometimes severe and dramatic, but brief periods of pullbacks."
  — Peter Mallouk [08:53]

  He underscores that while markets experience short-term fluctuations, the long-term trend is upward, and understanding this can help investors avoid panicked decisions during downturns.

• d. Behavioral Biases ([15:19]–[18:53])

  Exploring psychological traps, Peter identifies biases like recency bias, confirmation bias, and the endowment effect that hinder disciplined investing:

  "If you can become aware of these biases, it makes it easier to become a disciplined investor and stick to your plan."
  — Peter Mallouk [17:00]

  He suggests strategies such as writing an investment policy statement to stay aligned with financial goals and mitigate emotional decision-making.

4. Economic Outlook and Personal Finance Strategy for 2025

Nicole and Peter delve into the broader economic landscape, discussing the impact of political dynamics and inflation on personal finances:

• Navigating Economic Noise ([19:22]–[20:08])

  Peter advises investors to "ignore the noise" from politics and social media, focusing instead on personal financial goals:

  "Make your investing about you and your goals. And not who's the president, not who's in Congress, not what someone saying someone tweeted yesterday."
  — Peter Mallouk [19:22]

• Inflation and Its Implications ([22:37]–[24:34])

  Addressing inflation, Peter explains the difference between inflation and deflation, emphasizing the need for a balanced, "Goldilocks" scenario where inflation is controlled, allowing wages to rise without escalating prices excessively:

  "The dream scenario is inflation's just under control and we can get wages to rise without the price of all these goods to continue to go up at the same pace."
  — Peter Mallouk [24:10]

  He anticipates some missteps as the Federal Reserve adjusts policies but remains optimistic about achieving a stable economic environment.

5. Conclusion

Nicole wraps up the episode by reinforcing the strategies discussed and promoting Creative Planning’s services for personalized financial planning. She encourages listeners to take actionable steps towards their financial future by scheduling consultations with Creative Planning.

Notable Quotes:

• Peter Mallouk [04:19]: "The real way to win isn't motivation, it's the consistency and persistency."
• Peter Mallouk [05:39]: "We don't have to start really big, we just have to start now and we have to have it be repeatable."
• Peter Mallouk [07:54]: "If you don't automate it, the probability you're going to stick with it is going to be pretty low."
• Peter Mallouk [11:15]: "70 to 95% of professionals losing the market over a 10 year period."
• Peter Mallouk [08:53]: "The market does not go up and down. The market goes up with brief periods, sometimes severe and dramatic, but brief periods of pullbacks."
• Peter Mallouk [19:22]: "Make your investing about you and your goals. And not who's the president, not who's in Congress, not what someone saying someone tweeted yesterday."
• Peter Mallouk [24:10]: "The dream scenario is inflation's just under control and we can get wages to rise without the price of all these goods to continue to go up at the same pace."

Final Thoughts

This episode provides valuable insights for listeners aiming to set meaningful financial resolutions for 2025. By addressing common investing mistakes and emphasizing disciplined, goal-oriented strategies, Nicole Lapin and Peter Mallouk offer actionable advice to help listeners achieve lasting financial well-being.

Additional Resources:

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Transcript

[Nicole Lapin]

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[Peter Mallouk]

Great to be back.

[Nicole Lapin]

So last time we spoke, I was just Creative Planning's biggest fan. Now I'm a member of the team. So excited, so thrilled to be working with you.

[Peter Mallouk]

Everyone here is very excited, Nicole, to have you as part of it. You've been an amazing follow and so it's great to have you in our ecosystem.

[Nicole Lapin]

Thank you. I'm so happy to be talking to you right now because it's the end of the year, it's the time, as you know, people start making all of their New Year's resolutions. So many people, 61% make money related resolutions, but honestly, New Year's resolutions often get abandoned. What do you think the secret is to making some of the goals truly actionable?

[Peter Mallouk]

I think that the thing with all New Year's resolutions, especially money ones, is that everyone gets motivated and motivation only gets you so far. Motivations like just getting the engine started, but it's totally different to keep going. And the real way to win isn't motivation, it's the consistency and persistency. So the things you can do to put that on your side are to make things automatic because inertia is a pretty powerful force. Netflix knows this, the iPhone knows this. The second that we sign up for something, we're probably going to stay in it forever. So if you're saying, hey, I'm going to save more going into the new year, instead of saying, okay, going forward, I'm going to start putting money in my investments, make it automatic, just do one thing. Get motivated enough to have a hundred dollars or a thousand dollars, whatever it is, go from your paycheck into an investment account, every paycheck. And it when it automatically happens, that will give you the consistency to succeed. If you don't automate it, the probability you're going to stick with it is going to be pretty low.

[Nicole Lapin]

Yeah. And I think that sometimes people come up with really lofty goals. Hey Nicole. Hey, Peter. Just want to be a millionaire this year and that's great. Having seven figures in your bank account or your brokerage account, hopefully more. Your brokerage account is an amazing big goal. But don't you think sometimes people need to make those bridge goals, mini goals to get to the finish line you.

[Peter Mallouk]

Have to reverse engineer it. If the goal is to become a millionaire, then you start to back into how much has to be put away to do that. If you're younger, it could be a much smaller amount because you have the biggest advantage any investor has, which is time. If, let's see that. Your math says you've got to save $500 a month to get where you want to go. If that's over the next 20 years, you may not have to do 500amonth today. Right. It can be a small amount today and as your income grows, make it bigger. So we don't have to start really big, we just have to start now and we have to have it be repeatable and then we can adjust as time goes on.

[Nicole Lapin]

Yeah. How do you eat a millionaire elephant? One bite at a time. So Peter, we obviously want to help people make their 2025 the best financial year yet. One way to do that is by leaving behind financial myths that don't work. And I think we all have some. We've been told a lot of financial so called truisms over the years. One of my favorite of your many books is the five mistakes Every Investor Makes and How to Avoid them. I Would love to go through these with listeners so they can leave some of these mistakes back in 2024. The first one you mention is market timing. You mentioned time just a second ago and how to break down $500 to get to a million dollars. But market timing is something else. Trying to predict these highs and lows is sometimes a problem that. Why do you think that is?

[Peter Mallouk]

I think it's human nature. So market timing, like you said, predicting highs and lows, a lot of people think I don't market time because I don't put my money in the market and then take my money out of the market. Some people do that. I saw people when President Obama was elected, they went to cash their market timing. And there's some people when President Trump got elected the first time they went to cash. And both of those groups made a huge mistake because over the time the market went up. So money going in and out of the market is the most obvious market timing, it's a disaster. It really hurts returns. But a lot of people go, that's not really me. I don't market time. But what they do is they say, I'm going to wait to see who wins Congress or who's the next president or is there going to be a war, the war in Ukraine going to expand and then I'll invest. That's market timing. All of those things are falling into that trap. And the problem with market timing is the market has a very big upward bias over time. The market tends to go up. Just like the price of a ticket to Disney World or a meal at Chipotle goes up over time. There might be little brief periods of time where the prices come down, but in general, inflation carries things. So the more you're going in and out of the market, the more likely you are to underperform. We know statistically 80, 90% of people at market time lose. So the odds you're going to win with that kind of strategy are very low. Once you've identified the goal you're trying to accomplish, it needs to be automatic. Regardless of where the market is, just continue to invest. Keep buying every pay period that you can.

[Nicole Lapin]

Yeah, because just like Chipotle or a ticket to Disney World might be at the all time high, when you look at the market and you're like, oh, this is an all time high. I know you buy low and sell high, so we're at a high. But if you zoom out five years from now, then that high might actually be the low. And so we don't know where we Are So time in the market, as we've said before on the show, is better than timing the market. What do you think people should do to safeguard themselves from themselves and their emotional decision?

[Peter Mallouk]

The biggest parts, education. So Nicole, what you said, spot on. Sometimes what looks high now might not be high in the future. And the reason that's the case is one, in 19 days the market hits an all time high, very frequent. So a lot of people go, oh, I'm nervous about investing now. It's at an all time high. All time high is generally the norm. The market is usually at or near an all time high. And so the best way to safeguard is education. If you really understand, hey, the market does not go up and down. The market goes up with brief periods, sometimes severe and dramatic, but brief periods of pullbacks. Just like prices in the grocery store go up and down, they go up just over periods of time they might come down. Right. So if you can educate yourself on that, then you automate your savings. That's the best combination of protecting yourself against that market timing mistake.

[Nicole Lapin]

The next one you say is active trading. You say newbie investors shouldn't constantly buy and sell stocks to make a quick profit. Why is that a mistake? And can you clarify trading versus investing?

[Peter Mallouk]

So an investor is basically saying, I'm going to buy things, I'm going to hold them for the long run. And the trader is saying, I'm going to buy Coca Cola today, but next month I'm going to sell it and then I'm going to buy Pepsi, then I'm going to sell it, then I'm going to buy Nvidia. And so you're constantly moving, buying and selling a variety of stocks. The issue with buying and selling stocks is the overwhelming majority of professionals that buy and sell stocks to try to beat the market lose to the market. So if we're talking about depending on what time period, we want to look at 70 to 95% of professionals losing the market over a 10 year period, the odds that the regular retail investor is going to beat it are probably significantly worse. On top of that, you pay a lot more taxes. When you're actively trading, you're oftentimes find yourself with pockets of cash that aren't invested while you're trading. You start to add those things and you lag the market even more. So this is a kind of an exercise in futility. If you're trying to own a bunch of stocks for the long run, you want to find a basket of stocks and you want to own them for the Long run, there's a lot of ways to do that. But this idea that you're going to pick and choose and pick and choose and buy and sell, you're going to create a lot of taxes, you're going to have what we call in the industry cash drag. And even despite those things, you'll probably underperform the market over time. So you spend a lot of time to diminish the probability of doing well.

[Nicole Lapin]

Yeah, And I think it's an important point to say that when you're doing that, sometimes you're not putting that money to work, so you're missing out on the value, the beautiful, amazing force of compound interest over time. So would you say, limit your trading potentially to rebalancing your portfolio or responding to some significant changes in your own personal financial situation?

[Peter Mallouk]

That's right. If your own situation, things come up, obviously we have to place trades to meet your needs, if that's the situation. But otherwise rebalancing or moving from bonds to stocks in a down market, those kinds of moves, those are disciplined. And we're not market timing. We're not buying and selling individual stocks day to day. We're saying, oh, Covid happened. The market went down 35% and I'm with 70% stock and 30 bond, and then my stocks are down. I'm going to rebalance today to get back to 70, 30. That kind of trading makes a lot of sense.

[Nicole Lapin]

The next one I found super interesting too, and so important it's misunderstanding performance. You see investors chasing these hot investments all the time without understanding underlying risk. You talk about metrics that people should keep an eye out for, which are the ones that are often misunderstood.

[Peter Mallouk]

Well, I think a lot of people could look at volatility and they confuse that with risk. As one example, they go, oh, a stock market is risky, or investing in the s and P500 is risky. Because look after 911 or the tech bubble or 809, or Covid, it went down 34 to 53%. That's really risky. That's really just volatility. That's things going up and down in price. Risk is really the risk of loss. The market went down, it came back and went on to do highs every single time. There's been over a hundred market corrections, drops of 10% or more. The average corrections, 14%. All 100 plus had the same outcome. The market recovered and went to new highs. It's been dozens of bear markets. A drop of 20% or more. The average one's a 34% drop. Every single one same exact outcome recovery, new highs so confusing. Risk and volatility is one of those measures that I don't think is relevant and I think it scares people away from investing that otherwise would do very well if they just understood, hey, this happens all the time and you get these recoveries.

[Nicole Lapin]

Yeah, we've never not recovered from a single recession or depression in US history. So keep that in mind. Hold onto your wallets. Money Rehab will be right back let's be real. Your financial goals deserve more than just a quick boilerplate plan. That's where Creative Planning comes in. Creative Planning is a wealth management firm that is all about personalized investing strategies designed to tackle your goals, not just one size fits all advice. Creative Planning can help you with your financial dreams, whether it's investing in your future, tax strategies to optimize your wealth, making a dreamy retirement plan, whatever it is, Creative Planning has you covered. I am such a big fan of theirs that I proudly join their team as a financial education advocate. So if you're ready to get serious about turning your financial dreams into real, actionable steps, give Creative Planning a try. Go to creativeplanning.com Nicole where you fill out a form and schedule a free 15 minute conversation with a member of the Creative Planning team who can talk to you about your specific needs and financial dreams and then connect you with a wealth manager. Get started and invest in your [e-mail] Nicole and now for some more Money Rehab. Are there any of the metrics that people should keep an eye out for?

[Peter Mallouk]

I think when I think about metrics, I'm looking at indexes and trying to compare your returns to indexes. And for example, if you're a large cap investor, The S&P 500 is an index of large company US stocks. If you're a small cap investor, the Russell 2000 is an index of small stocks. If you're using a low cost manager, you want to compare them to those indexes. If you're using index based investing, which I love, then you want to make sure you're using an index that has high tracking rate. And so really being able to compare apples to apples is the best way to really measure results as an investor.

[Nicole Lapin]

The next common mistake you say is behavioral biases. These are investing decisions based on emotion, which sound like an obvious error we would never ever make, right? We know about panic selling. Don't panic, sell. But that's not the only emotional kind of bias we have. Buying into trends that may maybe your favorite celebrity has that's an emotional bias, too. You see a way to avoid this is to write an investment policy statement. I love that. What does that look like and why is that helpful?

[Peter Mallouk]

So the idea is to basically put on a piece of paper, here's where I am, here's what I'm trying to do. And based on what I'm trying to do, here are the things I should own. I should have this much in stocks, this much in bonds, and so on, and here's how much I'm going to save and put in these buckets over time. And that marries you to a plan that makes sense for you versus reacting to the market. If you start reacting to the market, then we're going to make the behavioral mistakes. So one of the big ones is recency bias, which is people. All I remember is what happened recently, like with your sports team, whether they're. You might feel more confident or less confident just based on what you happen to see on TV over the last couple weeks. Instead of maybe looking at all of the games and all of the totality of what's happened with investing, we tend to look at what's happening right now and we magnify it. For example, 2024, the market went up most of the time. Investors became very confident and started throwing more money at the market. During COVID the market went down. People freaked out, they started taking money out. That was a big mistake. We also have confirmation bias where we get married to certain ideas. This is why some of your conservative listeners, Nicole, might read the Wall Street Journal and watch Fox. And some of your liberal investors might read the New York Times and watch cnn. And we go to this place that reaffirms what we're doing and we ignore the places that disagree with us. And the investors do that. You own a. You go look for things that validate why you should own that stock. People tend not to look for things that tell them they're wrong or they should exit something that they want to keep. And so Warren Buffett famously said, when he buys a stock, he just doesn't look for things on why it will do well, but what could go wrong. And he is really looking for counter opinions. And that's a great way to fight that confirmation bias. And then lastly, another, and we cover a lot more of this in the book. But another one that's very powerful is the endowment effect, which is once you own something, you don't want to let it go. This is why when you go to a car dealer, they say, hey, do you want to get in the car and go for a drive, because now you can see yourself owning the car. At the jewelry store, they say, hey, go ahead and put these earrings on or put this necklace on, because now it feels like it's yours. That endowment effect kicks in, and that endowment effect is very powerful. If you own a stock, it takes a lot to get you to want to sell it because you feel very married to it. And so it's a. It's the. If you can become aware of these biases, it makes it easier to become a disciplined investor and stick to your plan.

[Nicole Lapin]

Yeah, you fall in love with your investments. You're like, I'm on the team. I want them to do well. And the recency bias is so real. I saw it last weekend with my husband. He's a diehard Commanders fan, and they'd been on a winning streak, and they just lost the game to the Eagles, and he was so upset. And I'm like, honey, they've lost for years. Did you forget that? And now they've been winning, and he's like, I know, but they just losses last time. And we forget we have this sort of amnesia around especially things we love, and then we get into that echo chamber. So I think it's really important to be aware of those biases and try to detach yourself from that emotional draw. It's really hard, though. I'm sure you've fallen in love with a stock or two.

[Peter Mallouk]

You can't help it. Once, especially if you bought something that's done well, it becomes very hard to part ways with.

[Nicole Lapin]

So we're leaving those five things behind in 2024. Peter, is there anything we should make sure we prioritize. Prioritized for 2025 specifically? You mentioned the election and our biases that potentially we fall into an echo chamber of news. With the recent election, is there anything that we should specifically prioritize or keep in mind for the next year?

[Peter Mallouk]

I think there's so much noise. Politics and social media have really put a lot of people on edge, and it's starting to impact decision making. And I personally see it with the thousands of clients that we work with at Creative, I see it impact the thinking of some of these clients. And I would just say ignore the noise. Stand tall, let the wind blow all around you. Make your investing about you and your goals. And not who's the president, not who's in Congress, not what someone saying someone tweeted yesterday. It should really be about what are you trying to accomplish? What do I need to own to accomplish that? And then just put yourself in a pattern where you do it over and over again, no matter what is happening. And that gives you the absolute highest chance of success.

[Nicole Lapin]

Yeah, we can't predict the future. If we could, we would be in a different industry, I think. But are there any economic changes that the financial industry you think is going to go through under this new administration, and anything we can do to prepare for that now or just continue to stay the course?

[Peter Mallouk]

I think so. One big thing people talk about is taxes, but really, for the last 20 years under Bush and Biden and Trump and Obama, the taxes policy has not changed significantly. Income tax rates have barely moved. Capital gains rates have not moved at all. Really. Taxes have not changed a lot. And the changes they talk about making are very much on the periphery. The other big thing that impacts the economy is interest rates. The president, Congress don't control interest rates. The Federal Reserve does. We have the same Federal Reserve under Trump that we had under Biden. But we do expect rates to come down a little bit more. And when they do, it tends to be very good for the markets because the cost of companies to borrow to operate goes down. And so it has them do well. The one thing that's interesting is they've got this committee, Elon and Vivek, that are going to be doing, apparently, cost cutting across the federal bureaucracy. So there's a good way to look at this and a bad way to look at this. The good way is that if they really did that, that would lower a lot of the expenses of the federal government. And the single biggest crisis the United States faces is the federal deficit. It's not debatable at all. Doesn't matter if you talk to a liberal economist or a conservative economist. This is the single greatest threat to the future of the United States is the deficit. So cutting federal spending would be positive in that regard. If they really went really over the top and really terminated a lot of people, that would drive unemployment up a little bit. And that can also start to slow down the economy, to lose all of this government spending. To me, this is still noise. And as an investor, there's too many things going on in the world. These are just a couple things that'll be fun to watch and fun to follow to see how they play out, but shouldn't change the way someone looks at their personal plan.

[Nicole Lapin]

Oh, my gosh. So fun to watch Elon in the White House with the Doge that they're calling at the Doge Department or something. Just ridiculous. Yeah, so fun to watch. And I think people are feeling, though, there's this idea of a vibe session that we're not in a recession, but somehow it feels that way. And yet the market is up. And all of these economic indicators, unemployment is low. What do you make of that, how people feel versus what the numbers are?

[Peter Mallouk]

I think it's because there's two different groups of people, Nicole. So I think that for the group of people that own stocks and own real estate or they own stock in a business that they're a partner in, everything's great. There was high inflation and what else? Inflated stocks inflated, the home value inflated, your real estate inflated, your business inflated. But the overwhelming majority of Americans, they don't have those things, right? They go to work, they get a paycheck, and they're making $50,000 a year or whatever the amount may be, and then they've got their expenses. And their expenses went up 30, 40, 50% at the grocery store and housing and taxes and everything else, but their income did not go up as much. So we know that for sure that the income inflation for that group was less than their expenses. They are in a severe recession. So the majority of Americans are going to the grocery store, trying to take a family trip or trying to cover the cost of their car and their property and casualty insurance. Everything is rocketed and their pay has not kept up with it. They are in a recession, and the rest are in great times. And that's why we have this vibe session. It's just this. It's two different groups experiencing a very different economy right now.

[Nicole Lapin]

Yeah, it's like it's a tale of two economic stories. And I think the idea of inflation is important to keep in mind that we don't want prices necessarily to go down from where they are here, because that would be deflationary. So what should people keep in mind about prices moving forward with the power of inflation? And why do we sometimes need inflation?

[Peter Mallouk]

The dream scenario is inflation's just under control and we can get wages to rise without the price of all these goods to continue to go up at the same pace. And that would solve the problem. And that's what we're really looking to see happen here. That's what we call the Goldilocks outcome. And very rarely is it not too hot or not too cold. I'm sure there'll be a few missteps before the Federal Reserve gets it just right.

[Nicole Lapin]

Well, Peter, I'm excited to talk about the entire Goldilocks saga as it plays out with you with more of these episodes. In 2025 to help listeners accomplish all of their financial goals for the New Year and keep the motivation going all year long.

[Peter Mallouk]

It's always great to be with you, Nicole. Happy New Year.

[Nicole Lapin]

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