Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin

Episode: How Hollywood’s Wildest Assistant Stories Sparked a Community—and a Business with Assistants vs. Agents Founder Warner Bailey
Date: August 21, 2025

Episode Overview

In this episode, Nicole Lapin sits down with Warner Bailey, founder of the viral Instagram page "Assistants vs. Agents," which illuminates the real (often outrageous) experiences of Hollywood assistants. They explore how Warner’s anonymous meme page grew into a business and community, the economics and realities of assistant work, pay transparency, the challenges of “breaking in” to the industry, and the importance of using data to drive change. Along the way, Warner shares stories from the trenches, offers advice, and gives an inside look at turning a community into a business—without gouging its members.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Origin Story: From Meme Page to Movement

• (02:15) Warner started "Assistants vs. Agents" while working as an assistant at WME, using his graphic design skills to blow off steam:

  "The origin, origin of it was we had these manila envelopes...we started kind of, as a joke, putting a meme or two, something funny...Then we went digital with it and started an Instagram account."

  • Early on, it was mainly about "shared therapy" for assistants and quickly gained traction as people resonated with the content.

2. The Reality of Hollywood Assistant Life

• (03:30-05:35) Warner shares an array of unbelievable stories (submitted anonymously):
  • Calling NASA to land a private jet
  • Taking a driving or SAT test for the boss’s child
  • Sorting M&M’s for Marshawn Lynch with gloves on... then spilling coffees in a beat-up car
  • Breaking into a FedEx for a boss's Emmys dress
  • Taking a turtle for Botox

  "It's the absurdity of the things that you're doing within the same day or even within the same hour that makes it stand out the most." (03:27)

3. The System & Its Impact

• Pay and Pathways:
  • (11:22-12:31) Warner details assistant pay:

    “First year in the industry, my gross...was 41k. I think it was about 41,700. Netting probably around 31.”

  • Rent in LA consumed most of the take-home, leading to difficult financial choices and highlighting why so many assistants come from wealth.
• Path to Entry:
  • “It's not possible for a lot of people to enter the industry.” (15:10)
  • Barriers include high cost-of-living cities and low starting salaries.

4. Pay Transparency and Data Collection

• (12:47-15:04) Warner began surveying assistants (and later, the music industry) to expose pay gaps and force the conversation:
  • Typical assistant pay: ~$45,000 for a “24/7...always on situation”
  • Stark gender and identity gaps: men $85k, women $75k, nonbinary $55k.
  • More men in senior roles skews data, but industry pay inequity persists.

  “It was, it was shocking. I mean some of the responses we got back, people were making 30 something K...in 2024, which is wild to me.” (13:44)

5. Building a Business from a Community

• Anonymous to Entrepreneur:
  • Warner remained anonymous (even turning down a Money Rehab interview in 2021) out of fear of industry backlash.
  • Eventually went public as the brand—and his own career—grew.

  “When you all had reached out, I was still in that position of kind of waiting for a firestorm to come my way from people that I had worked with.” (18:03)

• Monetization Model:
  • Prioritizes revenue streams that don’t burden the low-paid community (e.g., job boards paid by companies, newsletter sponsors), with a goal of ten revenue streams.

  “It's hard to look at someone who makes 45,000 and sell them an $80 sweatshirt or a $50 membership...So any way that we can subsidize opportunities for the end consumer...we will go towards that.” (29:10)

• Resources & Access:
  • AVA now offers a job board, newsletter, industry panels (virtual and live), and career/life advice for new assistants.

6. Culture Change and Impact

• Bringing Stories to Light:
  • AVA's memes and stories help normalize discussion, foster solidarity, and put indirect pressure on the industry to reform.
  • Agents are reportedly thinking twice before mistreating assistants for fear of public embarrassment ("Probably...there's a shift in behavior by the masses because people may look inward and say maybe that that is me at that point." (26:32))
• Expanding Opportunities:
  • More ways to break into entertainment now exist (startups, creator economy, smaller companies), and Warner champions non-traditional paths.

7. Identity and Surprises

• Most people assumed AVA’s founder was female or a much younger person; Warner (a now-30-something man) finds this perception amusing and a challenge in certain scenarios.

  “I'm now a 30 something year old guy that's saying all these things online...and then in person I struggle at even cracking a joke.” (22:01)

8. Advice for Listeners (Take It to the Bank)

• Best Advice:

  “Take initiative and stop asking for permission...They see an opportunity and they go seize it by moving quickly, by being confident in themselves and not letting the doubts around them make their decision.” (36:28)

• Worst Advice:

  “If you asked me this question on this show last year, I would have said my best piece of advice is say yes. But I've gotten burnt out by the amount of times that I've said yes to every single opportunity.” (36:50)

• Learn when to say no—balance opportunity with self-care and long-term goals.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the industry:

  “Within the history of assistants, the ones that rise are the ones that are able to figure it out at all costs.” (04:42)

• On pay equity:

  “I think they should, everyone should pay their assistants what, what they think is, you know, they're worth and I'll leave it at that.” (13:07)

• On transforming the industry:

  “I'm not here to, to again change behavior by, by anyone. I think just bring it to light. Use that as leverage to then create positive things, but also have fun with it.” (27:53)

• On self-care:

  “You have to at some point have to. But I think they're also, you have to think about the opportunities to say no to and that can bleed into your social life.” (37:34)

• On entrepreneurial drive:

  “My goal since six months ago, going full time on this was to surround myself with people who are smarter than me, who have done it before, who are experts in their field.” (31:38)

Timestamps for Important Segments

• 02:02 – Origin of Assistants vs. Agents, meme culture and industry catharsis
• 03:27 – The wildest assistant stories submitted to AVA
• 07:37-10:31 – Nicole and Warner swap Hollywood “Assistant” stories; mailroom anecdotes
• 11:22 – Assistant pay realities and side-by-side with personal finance challenges
• 12:47 – Collecting and publishing data on industry salaries
• 13:51 – Gender and identity pay gaps in music industry
• 15:10 – The mission: Data, access, and retention solutions
• 18:03 – Warner on remaining anonymous and eventual public reveal
• 26:32 – How public memes and stories may be impacting industry behavior
• 29:10 – How AVA makes money without exploiting its audience
• 36:28 – Warner’s best and worst advice for young professionals

Tone & Style

Nicole and Warner keep the conversation breezy, funny, and candid—even when discussing pay, burnout, and institutional gatekeeping. Warner is self-deprecating and earnest about wanting to make a difference, while Nicole’s curiosity keeps the episode engaging for insiders and outsiders alike.

Final Takeaway

Warner Bailey’s journey demonstrates that speaking up about taboo or difficult topics—money, inequity, exploitation—can spark genuine industry change. By harnessing shared stories and hard data, he’s built a business that gives back to its own, challenges the status quo, and proves you can lead with both humor and heart.

Listen if…

You’re curious what’s really happening in Hollywood behind closed doors, want to know how online communities can drive career and industry change, or need encouragement to take initiative in your own work life.

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