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Money Rehab with Nicole Lapin
“I Want to Achieve My Financial Goals Within Five Years. What Should I Be Doing Now To Get There?“ (Listener Intervention)
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Nicole Lapin
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Max
I'm feeling pretty good about where I am right now in terms of how much I'm making. I feel like I'm able to live the life that I want right now as much as someone in my early, early 30s, but I wouldn't be able to just, like, fast forward 10 years and live how I want to live when I'm 40, if that makes sense. Like, I want to buy a house someday, but I couldn't now. So I want help figuring out what I should be doing to set myself up to be able to meet my financial goals that will later come.
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Nicole Lapin
Well, I love this question, but before we can talk about how to get the financial future you want, we need to talk about what you want for your financial future. So can you describe what your dream life looks like?
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Max
Well, I work in marketing, and I'd like to have my own firm someday.
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Nicole Lapin
I love that. Okay, cool. So let's get a little more granular. You mentioned that you want to buy a house.
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Max
House.
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Nicole Lapin
Do you want to buy a house where you are now, or do you want to move to another city? Do you want to have kids? Do you want to retire early? Do you want to work till 8. 2. I mean, tell me other things, Max.
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Max
Right, Fair. I live in New York City and I don't really see myself buying an apartment here. It's just like way too expensive for what you can get. I think I'd rather move outside of the city but stay close. I'm not exactly sure where that'll be. And yeah, I do want to get married. I do want to have kids. I have two sisters and we're really close, so I've always kind of pictured having three kids. I don't feel the need to live in a super rich and crazy luxurious life when I'm older. But I do, I know I don't want to worry about money. I want to feel like I can always get what I need. I think that building up my firm is going to take time, so I'd rather have that be really successful than retire early.
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Nicole Lapin
And when you picture buying this house, how old are you in this picture? Is it 20 years from now? Is it 10 years from now?
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Max
Five years from now? I'm 31 and I'd like to buy a house for.
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Nicole Lapin
I'm 40.
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Max
So I guess I'll say I'm shooting to buy in five or six years, I guess.
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Nicole Lapin
Awesome. All right. Well, unfortunately, dreams have price tags. Do you have a sense of how big you want this home to be? I'm just trying to get a sense of what our budget is here.
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Max
Well, let's say I do have three kids. I'd like everyone to have their own bedroom. So I guess a four bedroom, they wouldn't necessarily all have to have their own bedrooms from birth. Growing up, my family lived in a four bedroom house and I shared a room with my older sister until I was maybe 8. And then the spare room was used as a guest room. I'm not really looking at real estate just yet, but I do know everything is expensive. But because I'm flexible on the location, I'm not tied to living in a super expensive area. But realistically, I don't know, do you think 750k is reasonable?
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Nicole Lapin
Yeah, I mean, as you were talking, I was doing some searching around and I'm seeing 4 bedroom homes for 700k in Staten Island, Jersey City. I'm seeing a really cute home for 600k. I mean, who knows what's going to happen in five years? Real estate does tend to appreciate, But I think 750k is a reasonable budget. Okay, this is great news. We now know what we want and when we want it. We just need to figure out a Plan to get there. So in order to make a realistic plan, let's talk about your financial picture right now. How much money are you making?
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Max
I make just over $100,000.
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Nicole Lapin
That's amazing. I know. You said that you eventually want to start your own firm. Are you happy with where you are right now?
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Max
Happy enough. I don't want to start my own firm because I don't like where I am now. It's more that I want to build a business that's mine and be able to run it in the way I want to.
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Nicole Lapin
Yeah, sister, you don't have to tell me. I totally get it. So you're not planning on leaving this job, the 100k job, anytime soon?
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Max
No, I'd like to stay for here for a while.
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Nicole Lapin
And you mentioned you're renting right now. How much are you spending on rent?
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Max
I pay around 3,300 bucks a month.
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Nicole Lapin
And besides housing, what are some of your big expenses?
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Max
I guess just utilities, like electric, Internet and my phone bill.
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Nicole Lapin
So how much would you say you spend on all that a month?
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Max
Ooh, I should probably know that. Maybe $300.
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Nicole Lapin
Cool. And do you have a car? Doesn't sound like it.
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Max
No, I don't. I take public transportation to get to work, so that's like five bucks a day. Nothing crazy.
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Nicole Lapin
Do you have any debt?
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Max
I have about $20,000 left on my student loans.
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Nicole Lapin
That is one expensive beautiful brain you have there, Max.
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Max
Yeah, seriously. And I got in state tuition too, so it wasn't even as crazy as it could have been.
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Nicole Lapin
And how much are you paying off your debt a month?
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Max
It's about 380 bucks a month.
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Nicole Lapin
So when we think about those big expenses, plus other things that come up, of course, going out to dinner, ordering in, meeting friends for drinks, whatever it is. What do you think your average monthly burn rate is?
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Max
What do you mean by burn rate?
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Nicole Lapin
Like how much do you spend a month on average?
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Max
Including rent?
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Nicole Lapin
Yeah, let's include rent.
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Max
Probably like 5k a month.
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Nicole Lapin
Okay, cool. So after taxes, what's your monthly take home pay?
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Max
Usually it's around $6,000 a month.
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Nicole Lapin
Okay, so the math here is easy. It sounds like you have about a thousand bucks a month left to play with. What are you doing with that thousand bucks right now? Are you saving it? Are you investing it?
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Max
I'm putting it in a savings account.
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Nicole Lapin
How much do you have in there right now?
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Max
I have around 10k in there.
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Nicole Lapin
Just like a regular savings account or a high yield savings account?
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Max
Just a regular savings account.
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Nicole Lapin
Oh well, I, I have some notes on that, but. Okay. Do you have a separate retirement plan?
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Max
Yeah, I have a retirement plan through work. I think I have around 60k in there. I've been at the same company since I graduated.
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Nicole Lapin
That's great. So I'll tell you how I think about budgeting for the future and my future goals and then you can tailor what I do to fit your needs and goals and wishes and desires and all that good stuff. So I created a spending plan for myself and I divvy it up into what I call the three E's, Essentials, endgame, and extras. Essentials are all the things we talked about. Housing, transportation, groceries, all the need to haves. The extras are the, the nice to have. These are all the things that you like but you don't necessarily need. So eating out, ordering in, baller vacations, whatever does it for you. The end game is the thing we can often forget about. That's your retirement and your long term future goals. Like having those three kids, buying that four bedroom house, building a firm, retiring on the beach somewhere. When you're ready, of course. Okay, so when I was your age, a hundred thousand years ago. Just kidding. But when I was your age, I put 70% of what I made toward my essentials, 15% toward my end game, and 15% toward my extras. But in this economic climate, I see more of a case for the 50, 30, 20 rule, which you may have seen. And following this rule would basically mean 50% of your income toward essentials, 30% of your income toward extras, 20% of your income toward your end game. So between the 3,300 bucks for rent, around 300 bucks for utilities, $380 for your student loans, your essentials are at 39, 80, and that doesn't include groceries. So let's call it more like 4,000, 780. But you said your burn rate is 5,000amonth. So let's say the delta or the difference between the 5,000 that you normally spend and the 4,780 that you spend on essentials is what you're spending on extras. So it sounds like you're spending about 220 bucks on extras. Okay, so crunching the numbers, you're spending about 79% of your total take home pay on essentials, which is a bit higher than the 50% we laid out in the 50, 30, 20 rule. If you shoot to bring down what you're spending on essentials, you can allocate more towards your future goals while also treating your present self. Of course, Your biggest expense right now is rent. That is typically the case. Usually experts say your housing costs should be no more than 30% of your take home pay. Right now you're spending more than 50% of your take home pay on rent, which is not unusual in an expensive city like LA or New York. But I think what you need is to start taking into account your future self. If you want to buy a 750,000 home in 5ish years, you're going to need to put 150k down for a down payment. If you want to put 20% down and right now you have about $10,000 saved. If you amortize what you need to stash away for a down payment, you're going to need to put $28,000 per year aside for that lump sum. Now you don't need to put 20% down. And if you're a first time home buyer, you can probably get a first time homebuyer loan and put a lot less down. But that just means that the principal on the loan, the chunk that's accruing the interest, is going to be bigger. Something for you to keep in mind. So let's rip off the bandaid here. You're saving a thousand dollars a month or 12 grand a year. If I were you, I would be asking myself, how can I essentially double the amount that I'm saving? Now, this isn't exactly what you need to do, and I'll talk about that in a second, but let's just imagine a scenario where you're really leveling up your savings. The obvious place to reallocate your budget is to find some savings with your rent. I know it's a pain in the neck to move, but do you think you can find a cheaper place?
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Max
I mean, I live in Williamsburg and I love my apartment, but it is in the most expensive part of Brooklyn. I've lived in the same apartment for two years, but it's just an annual lease. I'm not locked in for a long time period. So I guess I could look into a cheaper place. I don't know, I'm in my 30s. I don't want to be living in the same kind of shoebox I was living in in my 20s where if I was lying down on my bed I could touch all four walls.
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Nicole Lapin
So fair. Maybe for you, your housing falls into your essentials and your extras category, because maybe it's not essential for your apartment to be as awesome as it sounds like it is, but it also is the place that you want to treat Yourself, which I totally get and totally understand. The thing is though, something has to give, right? The good news is that you have a lot of options here. If you don't want to spend less on your essentials, you could work on making more money. You could also ask for a raise at work or take on a side hustle. If you're assuming your income is going to stay the same, you can always extend your timeline so that you have more time to save up for that down payment. Or you can look for a less expensive house. So the down payment isn't that hefty. You have a lot of levers to pull here. You could also think about not putting 20% down like I said. Again, that has implications for how much you pay over the lifetime of your loan. But you have options.
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Max
That makes sense.
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Nicole Lapin
But I do want to be super clear here, Max. You can meet your financial goals without depriving yourself in the present. When I make my spending plan and yes, I made it in my 20s and then have updated it constantly since life and everything else has happened. And our budget is always changing. So when I make my spending plan, I personally made sure that I think about my future self and budget for my end game and my current self. And that's where the essentials, but also the extras comes in. It is really important to do the things that make you happy now and balance the things that make you happy later on. So it is doable to have both. You just have to be intentional about it. So let's talk about saving for your down payment. Do you have any investments right now?
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Max
No, I don't. Other than my 401k.
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Nicole Lapin
Okay, so here's the cool thing about getting deeper into the financial world. That $150,000 that you need for a down payment is hefty and probably sounds like a really intimidating number. But you don't necessarily need to earn $150,000 to the penny to have $150,000 because you can build toward that down payment with investments too. Are you open to investing?
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Max
I am. I guess while I'm still paying off my student loans, it feels a little risky to invest just in case I lose the money.
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Nicole Lapin
I totally get it. There are different flavors of investing. There are principal protected offerings like treasury bonds and Certificates of Deposit, aka CDs. There are also higher risk options with a potentially higher chance of reward, like investing in the stock market. Historically, the stock market has returned 8% year over year. And you're right, investing does come with some risk of loss. So what I Do personally is diversify my investments. I invest in the stock market, which, again, is a higher risk, higher reward option. And I also invest in safer investment offerings like CDs and Treasury bonds. Treasury bonds are backed by the US government, so they're one of the safest investments out there. CDs are also super safe. Bank of America, for example, has three CD options that are all insured up to $250,000. So you could essentially put your whole $150,000 for your down payment in a CD and the entire nest egg would be insured. The CD yield actually depends on where you live, so you're going to want to check out your specific rates. But for where I live in LA, bank of America has three different CD options. The featured CD that's available offers up to a 4.35% yield at the time we're talking. So if you can invest some of what you're saving and you earn a yield, that can help you finance your house for more than just your income alone. So in order to build toward this goal, you're going to need a budget. Do you have anything like that right now?
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Max
No.
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Nicole Lapin
Do you think you could?
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Max
Yeah, for sure.
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Nicole Lapin
So what I would do for your next steps, Max, is to take the price tag that we put on that $750,000 home and build out a budget that gets you there. So reverse engineer it. Once you take a look at those numbers, you might decide that it's more worth it for you to push back the timeline. Or maybe you won't. Maybe this financial goal is more important to you, but the most important part is that you do the math and know where you're at and if you're on track for where you want to be. Do you have any questions about this game plan?
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Max
I feel good, actually. There's a part of me that finds it a little scary to put numbers to a goal, but it's also motivating I and having a plan that will help me get there is amazing.
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Nicole Lapin
Well, I am super proud of you, Max. And no doubt future Max is proud of you, too. For today's tip, you can take straight to the bank. If you're also looking to make money moves for your current and future self, you'll find tools and guidance you need at bank of America. To get started, just go to bfa.com newpros media I linked it in the show notes, but if you have your heart set on typing this one out again, it is B O F a dot com New Pros Media this episode was brought to you by bank of America. Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lapin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Lavoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes. Do you need some Money Rehab? And let's be honest, we all do. So email us your money questions, money rehaboneynewsnetwork.com to potentially have your questions answered on the show or even have a one on one intervention with me. And follow us on Instagram @moneynews and TikTok at MoneyNews Network for exclusive video content. And lastly, thank you. No, seriously, thank you. Thank you for listening and for investing in yourself, which is the most important investment you can make.