Tim Ferriss (Pt 2) on Easy Health Hacks, His Daily Routine and Dating

Summary

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Episode: Tim Ferriss (Pt 2) on Easy Health Hacks, His Daily Routine and Dating
Release Date: December 4, 2024
Host: Tracy D'Annunzio (Guest Host)
Guest: Tim Ferriss

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Introduction

In this second part of her conversation with Tim Ferriss, guest host Tracy D'Annunzio delves deeper into Ferriss's personal routines, health hacks, and his approach to dating and relationships. Building upon their initial discussion, this episode offers listeners an intimate look into Ferriss's daily habits and his philosophies on finding a compatible partner.

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Morning Routine

Tim Ferriss shares his streamlined morning practices, emphasizing simplicity and mindfulness:

• Traveling vs. At Home:

  • Traveling in NYC ([02:33]): Wake up, have tea, and meditate.
  • At Home ([02:48]): Wake up, consume caffeine, meditate, perform a cold plunge for 3-5 minutes, and engage in light swimming using his endless pool machine for 5-10 minutes to stimulate his heart.

• Handling Distractions:

  • Journaling Tool Usage ([03:55]): "I might use a journaling tool like the Five Minute Journal or something like that, just to winnow everything down to two or three things that are critical."

Ferriss underscores the importance of maintaining a consistent routine regardless of external circumstances, stating, "If my partner can't put up with that, then we're probably not a good match" ([04:10]).

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Evening Routine

Ferriss’s evening practices focus on relaxation and winding down without digital distractions:

• Activities ([04:38]):

  • Visits a Russian bathhouse (banya) for alternating hot and cold sessions.
  • Meditates during the first hot session for about 10 minutes.
  • Post-bathhouse: Dinner followed by stretching, foam rolling, and reading a physical book or Kindle—no backlit screens.

• Digital Detox ([05:51]):

  • "I keep devices out of bed, out of the bedroom. Yeah, because all it takes... is a notification pop up about something work related... and you're screwed" ([06:05]).

Ferriss avoids social media on his phone to prevent constant interruptions, preferring to check messages on his desktop for controlled, limited access: "I force myself to do it on desktop if I'm going to use it at all, which saves a lot of time on a few levels" ([06:15]).

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Health Hacks and Physical Activity

Ferriss emphasizes the role of physical activity in his daily routine:

• Cold Plunge and Swimming ([03:30] - [04:00]):

  • "I do have a cold plunge... and then I might hop into... an endless pool machine" ([03:30]).

• Stretching and Foam Rolling ([05:37]):

  • Incorporates stretching and foam rolling to maintain flexibility and muscle health.

These practices are part of his commitment to maintaining both physical and mental well-being, allowing him to navigate his busy life effectively.

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Dating and Relationships

Ferriss opens up about his experiences and expectations in the modern dating landscape:

• Single Status and Past Relationships ([07:20] - [08:13]):

  • Recently emerged from a long-term relationship, remains close with his ex who is now married.
  • "I got out of a very long relationship... Still actually very close to my ex" ([07:21]).
  • Plans to build a family, preferably with a partner: "I would like to do it with a partner" ([08:19]).

• Desired Traits in a Partner ([08:23] - [20:13]):

  • Athletic and Outdoorsy: Enjoys activities like skiing and snowboarding, valuing partners who prioritize outdoor adventures.
  • Smart and Curious: "I need to look forward to having conversations with this person because long term relationships are basically one long conversation" ([11:12]).
  • Resilience and Responsibility: Prefers individuals who have demonstrated the ability to handle stress and have a stable professional background.
  • Effective Communication: Values partners who are excellent communicators and can navigate conflicts healthily.

Ferriss elaborates on the importance of balanced masculine and feminine traits, advocating for partners who complement his own personality with differing strengths.

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Prenups and Marriage Contracts

A significant portion of the discussion centers on Ferriss's views on prenups and the complexities of marriage:

• Importance of Prenups ([12:34] - [15:17]):

  • "If I were to get married, I think it's irresponsible not to [have a prenup]" ([13:16]).
  • Views prenups as a practical measure to prevent potential disputes, especially given his public status.

• Challenges in Modern Relationships ([13:22] - [15:27]):

  • Expresses concerns about partners who may have ulterior motives, such as seeking financial benefits.
  • Highlights the potential strain prenups can place on relationships, noting that "the process of going through the prenup basically killed all the magic" for some couples ([13:35]).

Ferriss underscores the necessity of clear intentions and mutual respect to foster healthy, long-term relationships.

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Philosophy on Attraction

Ferriss discusses his conceptual framework for attraction, balancing masculine and feminine traits:

• Sliding Scale Concept ([16:08] - [17:07]):

  • Uses a metaphor of a slider ranging from 100% masculine to 100% feminine traits, with androgyny at the center.
  • "I tend to be attracted to women who are pretty far out on the other end, who are frequently like free flowing, free spirited, highly feminine women" ([17:07]).

• Desired Balance ([16:57] - [20:13]):

  • Seeks partners who embody nurturing and family-oriented qualities without internal conflicts.
  • Values smart, active individuals who are passionate about their interests and capable of critical thinking.

This balanced approach ensures that Ferriss seeks partners who complement his personality while bringing diverse strengths to the relationship.

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Never Have I Ever Game

In a light-hearted conclusion, Ferriss participates in a game of "Never Have I Ever" with Tracy:

1. Maxing Out a Credit Card ([22:10]):

   • Ferriss admits to having done so for starting his first company out of college ([22:21]).

2. Splitting the Check on a First Date ([22:27]):

   • Generally prefers to pay but acknowledges splitting in certain situations ([22:32]).

3. Investing in Crypto ([23:12]):

   • Has invested in cryptocurrency but questions its long-term viability ([23:14]).

4. Playing the Lottery ([23:55]):

   • Views it as entertainment, purchasing tickets for family as a fun activity ([24:02]).

5. Investing in a Company That Went Bankrupt ([24:23]):

   • "I've invested in dozens of companies that have gone bust" ([24:28]).

6. Investing in a Unicorn Company ([24:53]):

   • Proudly lists early investments in Twitter, Facebook, Alibaba, Shopify, Uber, Duolingo, and others ([25:00]).

This segment showcases Ferriss's candidness and willingness to share personal experiences, adding a relatable and entertaining dimension to the episode.

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Conclusion

The episode provides a comprehensive look into Tim Ferriss's daily habits, health practices, and his thoughtful approach to dating and relationships. His emphasis on balance, resilience, and clear communication offers valuable insights for listeners seeking to improve their financial and personal lives.

For more information or to engage with future episodes, listeners are encouraged to visit Tim Ferriss's website (Note: Replace with actual URL if available).

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Notable Quotes:

• "I do have friends who preserve their routine even with multiple kids, and guess what? They wake up an hour earlier. Bfd. Big fucking deal. Put on your big girl pants and it's fine." — Tim Ferriss ([04:35])

• "I keep devices out of bed, out of the bedroom... I don't want to question the motives of the person I'm with." — Tim Ferriss ([05:51], [13:22])

• "Long term relationships are basically one long conversation." — Tim Ferriss ([11:12])

• "I owe my ex a huge gratitude for that because she was a very good communicator." — Tim Ferriss ([10:21])

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Resources Mentioned:

• Endless Pool Machine: A device that creates a current in the swimming pool, enabling simulated open water swimming.

• Five Minute Journal: A journaling tool used by Ferriss to prioritize daily tasks and practice gratitude.

Disclaimer: This summary is intended for informational purposes only and does not constitute financial or personal advice.

Transcript

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[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Hi, it's Tracy D'Annunzio. I'm an entrepreneur and investor and I'm also guest hosting Money Rehab this week while Nicole is off on maternity leave. Yesterday you heard the first part of my conversation with Tim Ferriss. He's an investor, entrepreneur, author, and not just any podcaster. Tim has often been called the Oprah of audio. So if you missed yesterday's episode, queue it up. It was great. Today you're going to hear the second part of our conversation where we talk about Tim's current daily routine and then we go super deep on relationships and money. All the juicy stuff, prenups, dating, who should pay and how Tim might just meet his future wife. Through this very episode, we end our conversation with a game of Never have I Ever. Some of his answers really surprised me. Here, without further ado is the second part of my conversation with Tim Ferriss. Okay, so right now, what's like the morning and evening routine for you?

[Tim Ferriss]

Right now traveling in New York City. So it's pretty bare bones. But what's my routine? My routine is wake up, have a little bit of tea, meditate. This is gonna seem pretty funny. That's it. That's My morning routine, it's very bare bones. If I'm at home, there's gonna be a little bit more to it. So I would probably wake up, caffeine, meditate, cold plunge. Because I do have a cold plunge. So I do that for three, five minutes. And then I might hop into. I have an endless pool machine. So it creates a current in your swimming pool so that you can swim against it. So you can do the equivalent of open water swimming. Do that for literally five to 10 minutes to get the heart pumping. And then that's it, that's the morning. And there might be cases if I'm feeling like I'm caught up in the whirlwind, if I might be a little distracted or I'm like, what am I doing today? I feel like a thousand things are coming at me from a thousand directions. Then I might use a journaling tool like the five Minute Journal or something like that, just to winnow everything down to two or three things that are critical. And plus having a very easy gratitude practice, et cetera, helps you to just take a little bit of pressure out of the system in the morning, and it's literally five minutes and that's it. So how does that change with a partner? Not at all. If my partner can't put up with that, then we're probably not a good match, I would say.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

So, yeah. This is your routine in the morning when you're single, when you're traveling, it's the same when you're home. And when you're partnered, yeah, it's the same.

[Tim Ferriss]

It's not that much time. And I would say if it's really not that much time, and I have friends who preserve their routine even with multiple kids, and guess what? They wake up an hour earlier. Bfd. Big fucking deal. Put on your big girl pants and it's fine.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Especially when you have kids, you'll have to carve out time.

[Tim Ferriss]

And evening routine is for instance. I mean, for me, tonight, like, I'm going to go to. This will sound familiar, but I'm going to go to a banya. So Russian bathhouse. Hot, cold, hot, cold. I'm not going to give exact specifics.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

But do not reveal your cool.

[Tim Ferriss]

I will. I've had some weird encounters.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

It's okay, we're not here.

[Tim Ferriss]

I've had some weird encounters in bath houses.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

That's going to be the pull quote.

[Tim Ferriss]

Yeah, that's the pull quote. That is the clickbaity headline.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Yeah.

[Tim Ferriss]

So that will be an hour, hour and a half. Doesn't take very Long. So I'm going in specifically for the hot, cold, hot, cold, hot, cold. I will. Because I've only done one meditation. I'll meditate in the first hot session that I do. Probably 10 minutes and. But that's an hour. And then I will have dinner after that. And then in terms of wind down at night, I'll generally do a little bit of stretching, maybe some foam rolling, and then read in bed. Not on my phone. No backlit screens. So Kindle or Hard Copy.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Do you ever just get in bed and watch Netflix till you fall asleep like the rest of us?

[Tim Ferriss]

Never. I will watch Netflix, but I keep devices. I really try to keep devices out of bed, out of the bedroom. Yeah, because all it takes, at least for me, I don't know about other people. You have one notification pop up about something work related.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Yes.

[Tim Ferriss]

And you're screwed.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Yeah, you're screwed before you know it.

[Tim Ferriss]

Now you're in problem solving mode and you're not going to get out or you get sucked into social media, which is why I have no social media apps on my phone.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Wow, Good for you. You do it on desktop.

[Tim Ferriss]

Yeah, I force myself to do it on desktop if I'm going to use it at all, which saves a lot of time on a few levels. Number one, you can't use it compulsively, but number two, I don't know if your friends are different from my friends, but many of the group chats that I'm in are 90% people sending stupid memes and videos to one another. I can't look at those because the platforms throttle what you can see without installing the app. They want to capture you. So I only get to see one tenth of what gets sent to me.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

So wait, so all the stupid memes I send you are just going into the ether?

[Tim Ferriss]

Into the ether. And I can always catch up on laptop if I really want to catch up. Or sometimes I will, but then it's okay. Great, now you're doing it all at once. So you knock it out in like half hour instead of interrupting your day 40 times.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

It's my half an hour of meme absorption time.

[Tim Ferriss]

Yeah, exactly.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

So, Tim, you said you're going to dinner tonight. Do we have a date?

[Tim Ferriss]

No date tonight.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

But you are single.

[Tim Ferriss]

I am single.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

How is it going?

[Tim Ferriss]

I think modern dating is a pretty strange thing for me. It can be bizarre. But I'm not going to sit here and complain. I think being single can be fun. I do not have that as my long term strategy. I got out of a Very long relationship. Two, two and a half years ago and thought that was going to go to kids. Ended up not working out. Still actually very close to my ex. Not tethered. She's married now. So it's not like I'm just holding off some hope that we'll get back together. That's not the situation. But on very good terms. I might actually have dinner with her tonight, believe it or not. Oh, nice. And just to catch up, I haven't seen her in a long time. But the hope and plan is building a family. And last I checked, I guess it doesn't technically require a partner, but I would like to do it with a partner.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

I feel like it's better. I feel like it'll be better for that.

[Tim Ferriss]

For me. I want that whole adventure. So that's the plan.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Do you know what you're looking for?

[Tim Ferriss]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Shocker. Yeah.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

In difficulty.

[Tim Ferriss]

And I think we should be suspicious of what we want. That's actually from Maroon Me in the sense that we should cross examine what we want because it may not actually be what we need, but to the best I can tell, I think there are a few things that mesh well with me. Smart, of course, loves reading. Athletic. I like athletic.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

So you can like do sports together.

[Tim Ferriss]

Yeah, athletic. And not just athletic, but outdoorsy. So if they only do CrossFit, but they never go hiking or have no.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Interest in it, a lot of city girls out there just went, aw.

[Tim Ferriss]

Well, this is why I said or have interest in. Right, okay, right. But I think ultimately I would like to spend a lot of the year around mountains, rivers, lakes. And I love skiing. So skiing is. If someone skis or snowboards, that's a proxy, a substitute. It's one criterion that actually checks off a bunch of other boxes. Because it means if they take it seriously. Yeah, not just. I liked skiing when I did it three times.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Do you want them to take it seriously?

[Tim Ferriss]

No, they don't need to be. They don't need to be a professional. But if someone's pretty good at skiing, let's just say, and this isn't a pass fail thing, they just have to enjoy skiing. But if they take it seriously enough that they make time, let's just say each year to go skiing. What does that mean? It means they like being outdoors by default. It means they're willing to prioritize that and block out time for it.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Yeah. And dedicate themselves.

[Tim Ferriss]

To dedicate themselves. They probably are pretty good at sort of risk assessment and thinking about that. If they do backcountry stuff and so on. It checks a lot of boxes, actually. Right. So I'm not saying someone has to ski, but I would say in a lot of the dates I've had so far, it predicts really accurately a bunch of other things. I would like someone who has a job or has some identity of their own.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Okay.

[Tim Ferriss]

Because if not, there are few issues with the if not. I'm big on communication. I owe my ex, actually a huge gratitude for that because she was a very good communicator. Highly empathic. That's one of her superpowers. And so we did a lot of workshops and written a lot of books, and it hugely benefited me. And just in terms of being able to communicate emotions, which my family didn't really do ever, and ask what you want and draw boundaries and do repair, by the way, super important.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Oh, that's a big one.

[Tim Ferriss]

There's going to be conflict no matter what. Yeah. But I would say smart, sporty, nice ass is always great.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Okay. Yeah.

[Tim Ferriss]

Like meat on the bones.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Okay. Oh, okay. Tim.

[Tim Ferriss]

Yeah.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Not like another headline.

[Tim Ferriss]

Not Kim K. Badonkadonk, necessarily, but athletic.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

But not necessarily a no to that either.

[Tim Ferriss]

I want somebody who enjoys moving their body and likes to be athletic, which ends up probably being closer to what's her name, Mila Jovovich or the actress in Fifth Element than to Kim K. Right. It depends. But the point is, I need to look forward to having conversations with this person because long term relationships are basically one long conversation.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

They sure are.

[Tim Ferriss]

Right.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

And you get to the point where, like, you start repeating your stories, could you forget that you told the story to each other?

[Tim Ferriss]

So for that, they need to be deeply curious. Right. And I need to not just respect them, but admire something about them. Like, I need to admire them.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Yeah.

[Tim Ferriss]

And am I going to want to if we sit at a table and let's just say they're understated, Am I going to want to brag on their behalf about something?

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Yeah.

[Tim Ferriss]

That is a huge positive indicator.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Okay.

[Tim Ferriss]

Right.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Okay.

[Tim Ferriss]

And if that's the case, if the things I just mentioned are true, which I don't think is that much, I don't think it's unreasonable to look for, like the stuff I just mentioned. If I could wave magic wand like three years from now, got bun in the oven, or one little kid, that'd be great.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Nice.

[Tim Ferriss]

I think that, for instance, I was in my last relationship five and a half years. I think that was too long to go without a real phase shift towards, like, marriage or having kids. I don't think those need to go together.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

By the way, marriage and kids, you think you can split. You don't want to be married to one person, kids with another?

[Tim Ferriss]

Preferably not. But I do think that people trip themselves up. I certainly have tripped myself up thinking about, like the contract with the state aspect of marriage. It can add a really thorny, difficult dimension. And I know people who have also gotten married and just have. The process of going through the prenup basically killed all the magic. I've seen that multiple times. It was like a pre marriage divorce.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Yes, that's what a prenup is. You pre negotiate your divorce before you get married. So are you gonna have a prenup?

[Tim Ferriss]

Oh, yeah, of course.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Oh, you are gonna have.

[Tim Ferriss]

Of course. If I were to get married, I think it's irresponsible not to. That's my perspective.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Yeah.

[Tim Ferriss]

Right. And because it's. Here's the thing, as someone who's in the public, as someone who's done well and that's also in the public, I don't want to question the motives of the person I'm with.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Have you encountered that?

[Tim Ferriss]

Oh, sure. Like, any guy who's reasonably successful has gone on dates where it's like on date three, they're like, oh, and by the way, I have a book coming out in two months and would love to get your advice. Or oh, by the way, I have this startup and it's. The whole thing has been a ruse to get advice.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Do you think it's a ruse or do you think that it's like they like you and they want the benefits?

[Tim Ferriss]

No, they would have told me upfront. They wouldn't have waited until month two or something. Oh, for sure.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Okay.

[Tim Ferriss]

That's like a material manipulation sometimes. There's the both end. Right. But the point being. And most women are great. Like, I'm not saying that's all the time, but just as I think a beautiful woman wants to know that someone is with her not just for the sex appeal, because what happens when I age and this, that, and the other thing. Similarly, like, that can be a component of the attraction, but they want to be assured that's not the only thing. Similarly, it's like, I want to make sure that I'm not just a meal ticket.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Yeah.

[Tim Ferriss]

And a lot of women on dating apps are very explicit about this. I want to be spoiled and this and this. And they're looking for a patron more than they're looking for a partner. Right. And so that's not all the time. But it is something that I don't want to have in the back of my mind. So a way to have that peace of mind is to have a prenup, which I think should just be a non issue. It should be a non issue. Now, another reason this is actually important, where I like, I would love to be with a woman who has, like, operated in the world. Right. If life is always hard for someone, that person's not a good fit for me.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Okay.

[Tim Ferriss]

But if they have some agency and experience in the world, dealing with something like a prenup will not be as hard as if you're dealing with someone who's never done any business, never dealt with lawyers.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Oh, okay. So if life is always hard for them, meaning they perceive life as being.

[Tim Ferriss]

Too difficult or they perceive life as being too difficult. They may have. I tend to be. All right, so at the risk of maybe saying something obvious, are you ready? This is going to be my theory on attraction. Oh, yeah, you think you're ready? You're ready?

[Nicole Lapin]

Hold onto your wallets. Money rehab. We'll be right back. And now for some more money rehab.

[Tim Ferriss]

The way I think of attraction is. And if you get ruffled feathers with the terms I'm using, I'm sorry, but let's keep it simple. So I imagine a slider, there's a sliding scale in the middle is 50, 50 feminine masculine traits. Now, for the LGBTIQ folks out there, that doesn't mean male, female. Right. But like masculine feminine traits, you could have a male with very feminine traits or a female with very masculine traits may have misspoken. But as you go out, let's just say it's 50. 50. Right. Like perfect androgyny. Basically, as you go out, then you have 100% masculine traits, 100% feminine traits. Very few people are that. Most people are somewhere in between. And I think that you. The polarity, when people are equidistant from the center.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Yes.

[Tim Ferriss]

That tends to work well.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Yes.

[Tim Ferriss]

Okay, so what does that mean? Let's just say, for the sake of argument, let's say I'm 80% masculine, 20% feminine.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

You think you are?

[Tim Ferriss]

I'm pretty far out on the masculine scale, I think. And that's what people tell me. I mean, what do I know? So I tend to be attracted to women who are pretty far out on the other end, who are frequently like free flowing, free spirited, highly feminine women. Sometimes that correlates to living in the moment, not really planning for the future. So like long term planning and thinking through complex problems that Take time to unravel may not be a strong suit. I think that is something I have to be on guard against.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Break those apart like long term planning. No, because if you're flowing in the moment complex stuff. I think the feminine does that.

[Tim Ferriss]

Hold on, I'm not saying the feminine broadly. Just hear me out here. These are not mutually exclusive. This can apply to men just as equally. Right. If they don't have the ability to long term plan and focus on something for extended periods of time, then very frequently they also cannot break down complex. Think through complex problems, whether that's how to school your kids. Vaccination, no vaccination. These are very complex problems that require critical thinking and cross examining your own thinking. That's hard. Right. But like God forbid something happens to me and I have kids, I want to have full confidence that my partner is resourceful and will figure shit out. Right. There are a lot of amazing people in the world. You have to have a way of narrowing it down. If somebody doesn't have a LinkedIn but they have an Instagram, I think that's often a problem. If I look on their LinkedIn, it's oh, every job has been six to 12 months. Probably not for me.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Also fair. I never hired people.

[Tim Ferriss]

You know what I mean?

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

If you wouldn't hire them, why would you marry them?

[Tim Ferriss]

Yeah. I want to know that someone has been able to handle hard things.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Yeah.

[Tim Ferriss]

Also why skiing is interesting.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Stick with it.

[Tim Ferriss]

Yeah. Have you gone to as an example, this is going to seem maybe unreasonable, but have you done something reasonably hard? Have you had a job and stuck with it for at least a handful of years or started your own company and built it? Yeah, for a handful of years. Have you done something hard that requires resilience and dealing with setbacks? If not, I hate to say it, but that's life. Right. And if you're in a job and you aren't resilient, you can hop to another job hoping it'll be easier or better, and then hop, hop, hop, hop, hop, hop. If you're in a relationship, what are you going to do? It ends up turning into a big mess.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Yeah.

[Tim Ferriss]

So I really want someone who's done something stressful like they, I can have confidence that they can handle stress. I would sum it up with a woman who doesn't have problems with these terms feminine and masculine, number one, who recognizes the strengths in both, but who probably is pretty far out on the nurturing, family oriented side.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Okay.

[Tim Ferriss]

Someone for whom that is not, not an inner conflict. They know they want Kids and family.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Yes.

[Tim Ferriss]

That is uncomplicated.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Super clear.

[Tim Ferriss]

Yeah, super clear. Not. I don't know, maybe I'm not sure. None of that. I don't want to deal with that. I don't have time for that right now. And I'm clear on what I want. So I want someone who's clear that they want the same thing. Active, fit, outdoorsy, skiing, snowboarding, ideal, curious, reads a lot, good at critical thinking and has done hard stuff over extended periods of time. I think that.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Okay, so if there's a woman in the audience listening right now who fits this, how do they find you? We might have just saved you so much swiping.

[Tim Ferriss]

Yeah, let's see. I'll create a URL. They can go. Yes, because otherwise, like Instagram or DM or whatever, it's just.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

This is good matchmaking. Yeah, Pioneering.

[Tim Ferriss]

I'll create a URL. Tim Blog. That's my website. Tim blog partner.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Tim blog partner.

[Tim Ferriss]

Yeah. I'll create a page for it because the social media stuff is gonna be impossible.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Okay, ladies, if you heard something that sounded like a fit for you, Tim is in the market, I'm in the market.

[Tim Ferriss]

And I'll add one more thing, which is like, my ex girlfriends over the last 10, 12 years, they all ended on good terms. Like, I'm in good relationships with those people. They're amazing and they're amazing women. Like, they're all amazing in their own way. I think I'm a pretty good boyfriend, I gotta be honest. So not perfect. I got my own stuff. We all have our own stuff, but. Ready for the next chapter?

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

That's amazing. I love the clarity. I love that you come credentialed.

[Tim Ferriss]

You can find my ex girlfriend references on LinkedIn.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Yeah, exactly. Okay, Tim, we're unfortunately out of time. I feel like I could talk to you forever. But before we go, will you play a little game with me?

[Tim Ferriss]

Sure.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Okay, we're going to play Never have I ever. Normally we'd be drinking, but we're not drinking because you're in no fun November.

[Tim Ferriss]

I can have fun in other ways.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Here's how we do it. Okay. We're going to hold up a hand like this.

[Tim Ferriss]

Okay.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Five fingers up. If the answer to any of these is yes, you just put one finger down.

[Tim Ferriss]

Oh, boy.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

I'm going to play it with you. And when one of us all the fingers down, we're done. Okay, you ready? Never have I ever maxed out a credit card.

[Tim Ferriss]

If the answer is yes.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

If the answer is yes.

[Tim Ferriss]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

You Did.

[Tim Ferriss]

Oh, yeah, of course. To start my first company out of college.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Never have I ever split the check on a first date.

[Tim Ferriss]

Okay. Yes. If I put a finger down.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Yeah, you did. Do you always split the check on a first date?

[Tim Ferriss]

I usually pay for it. So what happened if I realized that it's set up for. Oh, I have this book. I want advice on a startup or something. If somebody. Then sometimes I'll split. Usually at this point in my life, it's just too much brain damage to deal with. Like the risk of some woman going on social media and going on some rampage about, like, I want on a date with Tim Ferriss. And here's what happens. Yeah. You made me pay for half the check or whatever, but earlier. Sure, yeah. Split the check.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Okay.

[Tim Ferriss]

If it's just a setup, if I've been. If someone's been deceptive, then you can pay for half the meal.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Okay. Fair.

[Tim Ferriss]

Yeah.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Never have I ever invested in crypto.

[Tim Ferriss]

I have invested in crypto.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Okay. Are you a big crypto guy?

[Tim Ferriss]

No, I've done well in crypto, but I think most of it is a shell game. I'm just not convinced that the theses upon which I based those investments make any sense now.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Oh, my God, did we need a whole other episode for this?

[Tim Ferriss]

They just. People view it as like an inflation hedge and it's inversely correlated. I'm like, doesn't seem to be the case. Seems to be highly liquid. And it just like, more or less tracks S and P500. So do I want. Coming back to our correlated uncorrelated. I'm like, yeah, like, I've done very well. I'm very grateful for my friends who got me into some of this crypto stuff.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

You got in early.

[Tim Ferriss]

I did. Yeah. But would I invest in it now? Probably not.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Wow.

[Tim Ferriss]

Yeah.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Okay, we have to have a drink after. And I want to hear about this. Or not a drink after. Okay. Played the lottery.

[Tim Ferriss]

I played lottery. Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah. But I view it as entertainment. It's like to buy lottery tickets for everybody in my family if I don't see them as often as I would like. And it's like, hey, guys. All right. We have this crazy Powerball now we get to sit down and watch and see what happens.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

It is a nice gift. Yeah. Lived paycheck to paycheck.

[Tim Ferriss]

No, I've never done that.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Invested in a company that went bankrupt.

[Tim Ferriss]

I've invested in dozens of companies that have gone bust.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Like, what percent of your investment, the angel investing?

[Tim Ferriss]

70 to 80% for sure.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

You Invest really early. So that's what you expect to happen?

[Tim Ferriss]

Yeah, I don't think I've invested in any other companies. If we're talking about mature companies, I don't think I've invested in any that have gone bankrupt. But on the angel side, tons. I've had multiple companies go bankrupt in the last two weeks.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Oh, no. Okay, yeah.

[Tim Ferriss]

Part of the game.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

We're done. Because all your fingers were down. But it goes with. Yeah, yeah, put it back. And put it back. Invested in a company that became a unicorn.

[Tim Ferriss]

Yes, I've done that.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

Which ones?

[Tim Ferriss]

A lot. Twitter, Facebook, Alibaba. If we're including advising, Shopify, Uber, Duolingo, I think Blue Bottle Coffee, even next door. Pretty sure there's gotta be another like 10 or probably 10 more.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

And you were early in those companies.

[Tim Ferriss]

Yeah, well, I was pre IPO in all of them and I was very early in a bunch of them. Like I was the first advisor to shop before. First of, I think three advisors to Uber, first round Duolingo, first advisor to clear. That's another one that would be a. Oh, they're huge. All of those were very early.

[Tracy D'Annunzio]

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why Tim can afford to give away all of this golden advice for free. So keep tuning into the Tim Ferriss show where you get more value than anywhere else. Tim, thank you so much for coming on Money Rehab with me. This was so fun. Thank you.

[Nicole Lapin]

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