S19 Ep11: Pitch-black predators: Alien Big Cats (Sn. 19 Ep. 11)

Summary

Monsters Among Us: Episode S19 Ep11 – "Pitch-Black Predators: Alien Big Cats"

Release Date: May 20, 2025

Introduction

In this spine-tingling episode of Monsters Among Us, host Derek Hayes delves deep into the enigmatic world of Alien Big Cats (ABCs) — mysterious, large black felines reported across various regions in the United States. Hayes sets the stage by sharing his personal journey into the paranormal, rooted in a childhood encounter with a massive black panther-like creature in Ohio. This episode compiles first-hand accounts from listeners who have experienced unsettling sightings of these phantom predators, exploring the possible existence and behaviors of these elusive beings.

Chris from Texas: A Lone Sighting in Vast Lands [04:59]

Chris Graham recounts his 2020 encounter while delivering seeds to a Texas ranch. Upon arrival, he witnesses multiple ranch hands arming themselves after spotting a "giant solid black cat" racing through their property. Although the ranch is home to mountain lions, the sheer size and demeanor of the creature left Chris and the ranchers fearful.

Notable Quote:
Chris: “It was just a giant solid black cat. And I didn't see it, I didn't hear it, but they had all seen it” ([04:59]).

Derek Hayes notes that Texas has historical ties to jaguar populations, particularly their melanistic (black) variants, suggesting a plausible explanation for this sighting.

Lane from South Carolina: Double Trouble on Friday the 13th [10:18]

Lane shares a distressing experience from Prosperity, South Carolina, where she and her mother encountered two unusually large black cats crossing the road. Despite native bobcats in the region, the size and physical characteristics of the animals led Lane to believe they were encountering ABCs.

Notable Quote:
Lane: “There were two big black cats that just ran across the road” ([10:18]).

Hayes highlights the rarity of double sightings and hints at the possibility of ABCs reproducing, adding another layer of mystery to their existence.

Chloe from Tennessee: A Tragic Encounter [14:14]

Chloe narrates a harrowing encounter from her youth near Nashville, Tennessee. After sheltering two stray kittens, Chloe witnesses a large black cat attack one of them, resulting in severe injury. Her mother later reports seeing a similarly massive black cat years later, suggesting possible familial ties among these predators.

Notable Quote:
Chloe: “This was a powerful cat and unfortunately had to put down the kitten” ([14:14]).

Derek reflects on the implications of such attacks, questioning whether ABCs might be breeding and becoming a recurrent threat.

Gavin from Louisiana: Generational Sightings [22:26]

Gavin recounts his grandmother’s encounter in the late 1970s, where she observed a large black cat leaping across a two-lane road. This sighting parallels Derek’s uncle’s similar experience in Ohio during the early 1970s, suggesting a potential pattern of ABC sightings across states and generations.

Notable Quote:
Gavin: “She saw a very large cat… it looked exactly like that” ([22:26]).

Hayes emphasizes the significance of historical sightings in understanding the distribution and persistence of ABCs.

Brian from Ohio: Childhood Memory Revisited [26:56]

Brian Mullaney shares a childhood memory from Ohio, where he and his family spotted an unusually large, dark brown cat resembling a cougar. Despite extensive research revealing no native mountain lion populations in Ohio, the incident left a lasting impression on Brian, mirroring Hayes’s own early experiences.

Notable Quote:
Brian: “It was a solid dark color… larger than a normal bobcat” ([26:56]).

Derek connects this story to his own Ohioan heritage, reinforcing the notion that ABC sightings may be more widespread than officially acknowledged.

Anonymous Caller from Missouri: Rare Encounters [36:57]

An anonymous caller from Missouri discusses recent and past sightings of mountain lions and black bears in the state, highlighting the state's reluctance to officially acknowledge these animals’ presence despite numerous reports.

Notable Quote:
Caller: “Black cats could be out there and stuff like that” ([36:57]).

Derek provides statistical context, noting that while mountain lion sightings do occur in Missouri, confirmed cases are exceedingly rare, accounting for less than 1% of reported sightings since the inception of the Large Carnivore Response Team in 1996.

Nora from Tennessee: Dual Encounters with Predators [41:27]

Nora Gower recounts two eerie encounters in Rock Island, Tennessee. The first involves spotting a large black cat with glowing yellow eyes during early morning drives, followed by an unsettling encounter with a gray wolf-like creature later on the same road.

Notable Quote:
Nora: “I couldn't believe I had seen it. I thought almost I was imagining it” ([41:27]).

Derek discusses the resurgence of red wolves in Tennessee and explores whether these sightings could involve interactions between ABCs and reintroduced wolf populations.

Hannah from Oregon: Daylight Mystery [46:24]

Photographer Hannah describes a daylight sighting in southern Oregon, where she observed a dark silhouette resembling a medium-sized dog with distinct feline features, including a long, furry tail. Despite her expertise in local wildlife, Hannah couldn't identify the creature, suspecting it might be a cougar despite the atypical dark coloration.

Notable Quote:
Hannah: “I thought it would be a cougar, but I know cougars don't have that kind of dark fur” ([46:24]).

Hayes underscores the perplexing nature of such sightings, especially when they deviate from known animal characteristics.

Bill from Alabama: An Old Encounter [51:10]

Bill shares a story from 1978 in central Florida, where he and his family encountered a black panther-like cat in their wooded backyard. The terrifying encounter resulted in Bill’s father being injured by the creature, which was never fully explained despite multiple witnesses affirming its presence.

Notable Quote:
Bill: “The cat had took a chunk out of the top of his head” ([51:10]).

Derek emphasizes the enduring nature of such reports, suggesting that ABCs have been a part of regional folklore for decades.

TJ from Alabama: Midnight Fear [57:02]

TJ discusses a chilling nighttime encounter in Salem, Alabama, where he faced a towering black cat while attempting to track a wounded deer. His encounter was compounded by the presence of local dogs that chased the mysterious creature, ultimately fading into the woods without revealing its true nature.

Notable Quote:
TJ: “I just froze... I didn't know what else to do” ([57:02]).

Hayes reflects on the vulnerability of individuals encountering ABCs and the critical role pets sometimes play in these incidents.

Josh from Alabama: A Hunter’s Tale [59:53]

Josh, an avid hunter from northwest Alabama, narrates his experience of spotting an enormous black cat while searching for a misshapen buck he believed he had wounded. The creature’s distinctive features and silent demeanor led Josh to confidently identify it as an ABC.

Notable Quote:
Josh: “I just do not know of any other animals that live in the state of Alabama that, you know, I would have mistaken this big black cat to be” ([59:53]).

Derek reiterates the recurring theme of ABC sightings across Alabama, bolstered by historical accounts and physical evidence.

Host’s Reflections and Concluding Insights

Derek Hayes wraps up the episode by sharing his formative experience with a mysterious black panther in Ohio, which ignited his passion for cryptozoology. He connects the dots between the various sightings, both contemporary and historical, across multiple states, suggesting a persistent yet elusive presence of ABCs in the wild. Hayes references data from the Eastern Puma Research Network, highlighting states with significant sighting reports and discussing potential explanations for these phenomena, including the presence of exotic pets or natural populations.

Notable Quote:
Derek Hayes: “What’s more wild than an unknown, monstrous big black cat?” ([66:09]).

He encourages listeners to submit their own stories and expresses gratitude for the shared experiences, reinforcing the community-driven nature of the podcast.

Conclusion

This episode of Monsters Among Us offers a compelling exploration of Alien Big Cats through diverse and personal narratives. By compiling these first-hand accounts, Derek Hayes not only highlights the widespread nature of these sightings but also underscores the mystery and intrigue that surround these enigmatic predators. Whether skeptics or believers, listeners are left pondering the existence of these shadowy figures prowling the American wilderness.

Notable Resource Mentioned:

• Shadow the Black Panthers of North America by Michael Mays: Derek references this book, detailing the capture of a jaguarundi in Alabama, which provides critical insight into the possible origins of ABC sightings.

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Transcript

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[Jack Wagner]

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[Derek Hayes]

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[Jack Wagner]

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[Derek Hayes]

Good evening and welcome to Monsters Among Us. I am your guide, Derek Hayes. Welcome back everyone. Great to have you with us here tonight. Now, I'm often asked what got me started in all this paranormal stuff. In other words, how did I end up starting this show? Well, there are many reasons why I started this program. Frustrations with my struggling scriptwriting career for one, realizing there was a need for this kind of format for two, and having something creative that I could call my own and call my own shots on. That's number three. But what got me into the paranormal in the first place was an experience I had when I was about 10 years old. A sighting that sent me on a search that continues to this day. Now, I'll get to that story for the 100th time here in just a little bit, but most of you already know what it is that I saw that day back in the late 1980s. He's six foot long, muscly, shiny, shockingly fast creature that all three of us there identified As a black panther of some sort, we hear this observation often. Black panthers are not paranormal, but I beg to differ. Part of the paranormal realm includes cryptozoology, the study of hidden and unknown animals. And part of cryptozoology is a phenomenon known as out of place animals. Kangaroos in Oklahoma, giant pythons in Ohio, and these monstrous big cats just about anywhere east of the mighty Mississippi. Now, you might still disagree with me on this and you're free to skip this episode, but I wouldn't if I were you because not only are all of tonight's calls thrilling, interesting and nerve fraying, but every one of these witnesses could be you. It appears that these sightings happen to all walks of life, as you're about to learn. So all of that is my introduction to tonight's episode, Phantom Big Cats. And to kick us off, we begin with one of those rare encounters that occur west of the Mississippi. Please welcome Chris from the state of Texas.

[Jack Wagner]

Hello, Zach. This is Chris Graham. So this is probably around 2020. I work for a farming company and we go out to farms and ranches delivering seed product, all that kind of stuff. Well, there's this one farm I was told I had to go to to deliver some seed. So I go up there and see a bunch of people running around with rifles and shotguns. And one of the hands comes up to me and he says, hey, you just watch yourself. I'll follow you and help you do what you need to do, but then you need to get out of here. I asked the guy what's going on? He said, we just saw a panther. They said it was just a giant solid black cat. And I didn't see it, I didn't hear it, but they had all seen it. They were starting their morning and it just like right through their shop there, just ran right through. And they were fearful because they've got animals. They've got one of the farmers homes is there, so they've got their families, all the hands just. Everybody started grabbing weapons just to keep themselves safe and to kind of search for this thing. But I never heard anything back about it. I've gone back to the place a couple of times, but they never did anything. So of course, I mean, we don't have anything around here. We have some mountain lions because Uvalde is like the gateway to the hill country. The north you've got Texas hill country. South is flatland plains. So I mean it's very vast. It wouldn't be surprising if something like that could hide out here and just not be seen, but it's just rather unlikely as well. Thank you.

[Derek Hayes]

Thank you, Chris. You know, Texas is one of those rare locations that might have a big cat as a resident. Naturally, the America's largest big cat, the jaguar, was known to inhabit parts of southern Texas well into the 1940s. Inciting still occur to this day. And the jaguar has a known melanistic or black variation. So unlike most of tonight's calls, this one might have been explained by a resident big cat. A big cat, literally. The jaguar can grow up to be 8 foot from nose to tip of tail and weigh in at a whopping 250 pounds. That's more than highway. So finding yourself in the wide open where one of these things was just seen is not where you want to find yourself. But Chris, we were happy to hear that you were able to escape unscathed. Thank you again for taking time to make the phone call. Now folks, I have all sorts of ABC calls to share with you here this evening. But first, these messages.

[Jack Wagner]

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[Derek Hayes]

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[Jack Wagner]

Thing for him but I just, I don't know how you.

[Derek Hayes]

Now it's not always just one of these cats that is seen, Lane, in South Carolina as a perfect example of what I mean.

[Jack Wagner]

Hey, Derek and monsters among us. This is Lane from South Carolina, and I had a sighting yesterday on October 13th, which was Friday the 13th as well. But that may or may not have anything to do with this. Anyways, I was just coming out of work with my mom. This happened in Prosperity, South Carolina, and we were heading towards Chapin, South Carolina. And in this little stretch of road, two black masses run across the road. At first we thought they were dogs, but they didn't run like dogs. And after, like, talking about it with my mother, everything was pointing to cats. But the problem is, in South Carolina, we only have bobcats as a native species. But after listening your show, I know about the ABCs, the alien big cats. But it was crazy because the heads, they weren't dog like at all. And my mother says the tails were long, longer than a dog's would be. And I would say, if I had to guess, the bigger of the two came up to my waist and the other one was a little bit smaller than that. Yeah. So there were two black cats that just ran across the road. It was around 9:21 in the morning, and it was honestly a really nice day. It wasn't too hot, it wasn't too cold. I never thought I would see a big black cat in the wild. And like, maybe they could have been just weird dogs. But I grew up with dogs, and I know dogs. And these did not look like dogs. And all the accounts you've shared, and I've heard it's always been one black cat. But this was two. Two big black cats ran across the road. I wanted to call you immediately, but we were in a moving car and I wanted to make sure I was in a quiet place before I called him. Anyways, I just recently became a Patreon member. Highly recommend for the other listeners who haven't. And have a wonderful day.

[Derek Hayes]

Thank you, Lane. And thank you for waiting to get to a quiet location before making your phone call. Did you guys happen to hear how good he sounded? That was a wise choice, my friend. Now, Friday the 13th in Big Black cats. There are some folks out there that'll tell you that there certainly is a connection there. I, on the other hand, just see it as a fun coincidence. But these alien big cats are real. I've seen one. So that part cannot be so easily explained away. Now, given that there were two of these creatures in this experience, you might be asking yourself, I wonder if these things are reproducing. Well, as it turns out, this next call just might confirm those suspicions. Please welcome Chloe from Tennessee. And just a quick warning, the following call does describe injuries to an animal, just so you're aware.

[Jack Wagner]

Hi, my name is Chloe. And so when I was around 21, so probably, I don't know, a dozen years ago, my parents owned a property with a few apartments on it and I happened to get one of them. This place was very run down, infested with brown recluses, but it was kind of off in the country a bit down close to Nashville, Tennessee. And little known fact, I grew up my whole life and didn't know it. Tennessee actually does have black panthers. They're very, very rare, but they are seen. Well, I don't know necessarily that that's what this was, but when I was living down there, I actually saw one out at the back end of the property, oh, 50 yards at the most away. And it could have been like more of a kind of wild domestic cat, but solid black, super muscled. I mean, I've never seen a domestic cat with this much muscle on it. And this thing was huge. I actually have a couple of black cats myself and my big boy, he's maybe 14 pounds. This cat would have dwarfed him. This would have had to have been probably around the range of £25. So really big cat. Well, not long after that happened, I actually found some kittens out on the road, little park close by and took two of them. I had a front porch that didn't actually have a door to it, but it was screened in. The door was just kind of laying in there. So I took the door and turned it sideways so that the kittens couldn't actually get out of the front porch. And that's where I was going to raise them when they were little. I hadn't actually taken them to the vet yet, hadn't had him defleed. I wake up one morning and it's like, I don't know, 4am, 5am, barely getting light and I'm just hearing this crazy commotion. I run outside and I see this black cat jump over the, you know, laid down door and take off streaking around the house. Well, one of the kittens, the little boy actually had tussled with this thing and gruesome warning, it had actually ripped open its jaw on one side and dislocated it. So this was a powerful cat and you know, unfortunately had to put down the kitten. It was very, very sad. Well, a few years later and about 10 to 20 miles away. My parents are living in another location with a really long driveway. My mom says she sees a huge black cat that banned almost the length of the driveway. So six foot long, probably, something like that. So she said that, you know, yeah, she saw the panther down there at the end of the driveway and swears to it. Actually only found out about that roughly a year ago. But I called to confirm with my mom and she said that yes, the cat she saw was absolutely a black cat and that it took up like the entire length of the driveway. Now she saw it from. Oh goodness, it's quite a long driveway. So it's wasn't enough to see much detail, but she said it was absolutely black and the way it moved, it was definitely a cat. And the one I saw again, it's roughly the size of like the smaller clouded leopards at the Nashville Zoo. So it's at least 25 pounds. Just kind of curious since they're so close together location wise and the, you know, size, year difference, maybe what I saw was a young one and what she saw was it grown up. So yeah, I was listening to your podcast, just recently found it and heard that you like the black cat sighting. I don't think there was anything supernatural about these, but yeah, I mean you can actually go online and look up black cat sightings in Tennessee and there's a map with like the little hot spots. I did find a twra. So the Tennessee Wildlife Resource Agency, their website actually has a map of where cougars have been spotted in Tennessee. Again, there's at least 10 confirmed sightings via trail cam and then you can find a few more on like YouTube and stuff. But during all of that I came to find out that what we think of as black panthers. I think you might have actually said this on one of the podcasts a while back, but they don't come in black. So what did I see is kind of interesting, I don't know. So I thought it was pretty cool. Thought you'd want to know. Alright, thanks.

[Derek Hayes]

Thank you, Chloe. Poor little guy sounds like he put up a hell of a fight though. But that's typical tomcat behavior. Now, Chloe touched on something that sets a lot of these sightings apart. The size of the animal. On a recent episode, it was talking about a large mountain lion that we've been dealing with, one that was preying on a feral cat colony that we were trying to manage in our area. And when you see it on the camera, you instantly realize just how big these things are and powerful as Chloe had mentioned, and from the sounds of things, they might be reproducing. That is if the kittens that Chloe found were indeed its offspring. It sounds like at least one of the kittens survived. So I have to ask, did it grow up to be normal or did it grow to an enormous size? And Chloe is not wrong about big cats in the state of Tennessee. They're confirmed to pass through from time to time, but we'll talk more on that here in a bit. But for now, let me tell you how you can submit your own spooky story. You can do so one of two ways by calling our toll free 247365 hotline at 888-6089. That's 888608, Nig HT. Or you can record a voice memo and email it to me at monsters among us podcast gmail.com. no matter how you send it in, we appreciate each and every call that we receive. And if you called in and haven't heard your story yet, please be patient. There are a lot of calls to get through. And if yours involves a common subject like ghosts or UFOs, it takes even longer because I have so many of those entries to get through. But I promise I'll get it in there. And if your call has a glitch or the quality is bad or something, we will be reaching out to you so you can resubmit. There are some pretty good stories that I'm not able to play because of that reason, so hopefully we get a second chance with him. Anyway, that number is 888608 knight and we can't wait to hear from you. Now this next entry takes us to another southern state with an abundance of ABC sightings. Please welcome Gavin from Louisiana.

[Jack Wagner]

Hey Derek, My name is Gavin. I got a short one that I figured you'd like a lot. I just moved back to Louisiana with my family a few weeks back. I was talking to my grandma and she's in her late 60s. We were just visiting together and we were sitting down watching, I think it was the Discovery Channel or Animal Planet, something like that was just on TV as we were talking and happened to come upon a story about cats and big cats in general and panthers specifically. And I made a comment that people have been seeing them around in Louisiana, but they're not supposed to be. And my grandma made the face at me and was like, I've seen them. She was like, I know they're there. I asked her to explain it to me because I was Just like I don't know about that grandma. She insisted. And she said in the late 1970s, somewhere around there, she was driving down a road going home and it was the middle of the day and she saw a very large cat. She said it was bigger than a dog. It walked out in front of her car and it took a big leap to finish across two lane road. So it took it about two strides across and she said it was huge. She pointed to black panther on the tv. It was like it looked exactly like that wasn't a little cat, wasn't a dog. That's their story. That's it. I figured you'd like a short cat story. Alright, thank you. Bye.

[Derek Hayes]

Thank you, Gavin. You know, strangely enough, my uncle had a sighting of something similar way back in the early 1970s, coincidentally only six or seven miles from where we would end up living some 15 or 20 years later. The very location where I had my experience. Now, from what I remember, my uncle said that it was a large dark gray or black cat that turned to look at him over its shoulder before darting off the narrow road they were both on. And the point here being that these older sightings are just as interesting as the newer ones. And those older sightings offer clues as to what these things might be and just where they might have come from. So thank you again, Gavin, for sharing your grandmother's experience with one of these phantom felines. Are you planning a fun summer vacation this year? Well, here's a life hack. Pay your rent with BILT to earn flexible transferable points you can use toward travel and unlock exclusive benefits along the way. There's no cost to join, and just by paying rent, you unlock flexible points that can be transferred to your favorite hotels and airlines, a future rent payment for your next Lyft ride, and more. When you pay rent through Built, you unlock two powerful benefits. First, you earn one of the industry's most valuable points on rent every month. No matter where you live or who your landlord is, your rent now works for you. Second, you gain access to exclusive neighborhood benefits in your city belt's Neighborhood benefits are things like extra points on dining out, complimentary post workout shakes, free mats or towels at your favorite fitness studio, videos, and unique experiences that only build members can access. And when you're ready to travel, built points can be converted to your favorite miles and hotel points around the world, meaning your rents can literally take you places. So if you're not earning points on rent, my question is, what are you waiting for? Start paying rent through Built and take advantage of your neighborhood benefits by going to joinbuilt.com that's J-O-I-N-B-I-L-T.com MAU now make sure that you use our URL so they know that we sent you. Join belt.com MAU to sign up for Built Today. Now up next, we venture to my boyhood home of Ohio. Please welcome Brian to tonight's program.

[Jack Wagner]

Hey Derek, My name is Brian Mullaney and I am calling from central Ohio, which is actually where I had my experience as well. So I recently just found your podcast and I am a huge fan. So much so that I went back to the first season and started from the beginning trying to catch up. So I listened to your very first episode when you talked about your experience in southeastern Ohio and it jogged my memory of something that happened to me when I was a kid. My mom and my sister were there as well. So I grew up on a farm in the sticks maybe 45 minutes to an hour outside of Columbus, the capital city of Ohio. And my parents house was positioned up on a big hill. So the front of the hill is a cornfield or bean field depending on the year. The backside of the property is a wooded area and along the edge of the property runs our main fresh water source for our small town, which is a creek. So I tell you all that because I just wanted you to know that my house, it was like deer heaven. So from a very early age we saw lots of deer. We saw them up close, some far away, you know, big deer, little deer, bucks does everything and very familiar with deer and what they look like. But not only deer, I mean all the small wildlife in Ohio is on my parents property. We have coyotes, turkeys, raccoons, possums, mink, whatever, you know. So you know, very early on I knew what the wildlife looked like around my area and I was very familiar with it. So that was just kind of set the story and I'll get into it now. I was in third grade and we had some sort of two hour delay so we were leaving the house a little later than normal. It was probably like 8 o' clock in the morning. So it was daylight out and it was a very clear day. It was a beautiful day. It was me, my mom and my little sister were all in the car heading to school. I mentioned that the house was up on a hill. The driveway was about a quarter of a mile long. We're heading down the driveway and first you go towards the neighbor's house. Then there's A bend, and then we go down the hill. So we go around that bend and we're going down the hill. And at the same time, we all look into the neighbor's field and we see what we think is a massive deer. Like, massive. Bigger than any deer we've ever seen in our entire life. And I think the reason why we all thought it was a deer was because of its coloring. It was very, very dark brown, almost black, kind of like the big bucks that we would see. But it was weird. It was a weird shape. And we all saw it. My mom stopped the car and we all just started looking at was very low to the ground, which is weird for a deer, right? And then, you know, almost out of nowhere, we all said, it has a very long cat like tail. And then it just kind of snapped into focus. We're like, holy crap, we're looking at a big cat. Big, dark brown, almost black cat. In central Ohio. My mom freaks out. We had two pet cats that were outdoor cats, and one was very young and stupid. So, you know, she puts the car in reverse and backs up and runs around the whole house, finds both cats, throws them inside the house. She gets back in the car because she was afraid that this big cat was going to come over and eat our little cats. Then we get in the car and we go to school. And we didn't see it anymore after that. And I went to school and told everybody I saw a mountain lion. And my teachers told me, you know, there's no mountain lions in Ohio. We did some research on it. And that's true. Officially, there's no mountain lions in the state of Ohio. I know recently people are seeing them in Kentucky. We do have bobcats in Ohio, but there's been no confirmed sightings of bobcats in my county ever. And a bobcat is a smaller cat. This was much bigger than what a normal bobcat is. And bobcats have a much lighter fur. I mean, they're almost yellow, like a blonde fur. And they're spotted. This was a solid dark color. So it doesn't really fit the bobcat description. But then we came home, we told my dad about it, and he just kind of said it has to be a mountain lion that's very far away from home. So we never saw it again. You know, that was, I think, in the fall. And then that winter, my dad was doing work around the farm, and he would find massive tracks, massive cat tracks. And then it just kind of stopped after that. So not really sure what it is. The tracks could be Explained by bobcat because they have bigger feet. They're small cat with giant feet. But to me, the likelihood of us having a cougar and a bobcat on the property when we've never had any type of cat sighting before is pretty odd. I mean, you would think that the two were related, but it's also kind of odd that after that winter, we never saw it again. So, like I said, this happened when I was in third grade. I'm 29 years old now, so I think this would have been, you know, the late 90s, like 98, 99. So I'm not sure when you had your big cat experience, but maybe we saw the same thing, you know, maybe it was around the same time. If it truly was, you know, a mountain lion or a cougar that was far away from home, it very conceivably could have been traveled from, you know, central Ohio down to southeastern Ohio, especially if it's from Kentucky or the Appalachian Mountains. Anyway, I just thought you'd like to hear that story and go Bucks. Thanks, Derek. Bye.

[Derek Hayes]

Thank you, Brian. And go Bucks, indeed. Well, since Brian brought it up, perhaps it's time that I reshared my ABC experience, the experience that kickstarted my interest in the subject of cryptozoology. Like Brian, I grew up in the state of Ohio, Southeast or East Central, depending on how you look at it. Near I77 and I70 for those that take the interstate. We grew up on a 13 acre plot of wooded land, and we had a neighbor that had another seven acres and a son around our age. So me and my brother quickly made friends with them, and together we began exploring the 20 acres behind our houses. On our very first excursion down to the woods, as we called it, which in reality was only 200 or so yards from our back door, we had a strange experience. We stood on the bank of a small creek, probably drinking from our masters of the Universe thermoses, when from the hill ahead of us, we heard a sudden explosion of rustled leaves and broken branches as we'd obviously startled something that was on the ground some 50ft up the hill from us. The mystery animal was running through thick underbrush, but we could see enough to make out that it was huge, twice or three times the size of the coonhounds that our neighbor raised. And it was all black, jet black, shiny, like one of the big cats that you would see on National Geographic or Wild America or something. And from what we could see, the creature was very cat like, aside from all the noise it made. Fleeing the area, of course, but everything else about it was very feline and it was fast. We attempted to cut it off. It was headed for a cleared pipeline that we were situated next to, but it was long gone before any of us could reach the tree line. And we could not wait for my dad to get home from work to tell him what we had seen, only for him to tell us that he'd seen the exact same thing just days prior, drinking out of the spring that was only about 100ft up the hill from where we had our sighting. Now the fascination had been activated. After that point, I asked everyone I knew what they thought it might have been. One of my uncles had a nice set of encyclopedias that I would thumb through whenever I was visiting, hoping to somehow stumble on an image that would help me explain what it was we saw. And in researching the subject, it introduced me to other cryptids. The Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, Mothman, etc. So that's how it all started. All because of his sighting, just like Brian's. And in the same state, no less. So welcome to the club, Brian. I don't know for sure what these things are, but I do know that they're out there. So thank you for sharing your experience with these mystery beasts. Now, folks, this next one takes us to the Show Me state. That's right, Missouri seems to have them, too. Please welcome tonight's only anonymous caller.

[Jack Wagner]

Hi, Derek, I'm calling out of Missouri here, Southwest region. Not really a story, just kind of something I wanted to share about your black cat stories and stuff like that. I've been listening to your podcast and I'm way behind, but I started listening to 1mo and I got up to an episode specifically on black cats, and it made me think back to a recent time here. There used to be a time in my region of Missouri where mountain lions were not specifically verified. I guess you could say they weren't said to live here, even though they used to be native. And for long time, the conservation department would not acknowledge the fact that mountain lions were still existing in this area. Until recently, we also had the same thing with black bears in this area used to not be acknowledged by the conservation department until a recent time. Whenever it was kind of hard to say they don't exist. Whenever there was a lot of people who had it, photographed it running across a Walmart parking lot. I guess that just kind of verifies the fact that, you know, black cats could be out there and stuff like that and just not as commonly accepted because I mean, you could still cruise around areas of Missouri here and not see, you know, a black bear. I've lived here my whole life and never seen a black bear. But I mean, stuff like that just kind of verifies people's story, I feel like. Anyway, love your show. Bye.

[Derek Hayes]

Thank you caller. Now, we did this with most of the states covered here tonight, so check the Show Notes for others monsters among us podcast.com and click the Show Notes tab. But Missouri actually has some figures on confirmed mountain lion encounters within the state. In fact, it looks like the most recent confirmed mountain lion sighting was on February 26th of 2024. 120 reports in total since the creation of the Large Carnivore Response team back in 1996. Each year the LCRT investigates hundreds of mountain lion sighting reports. Of the thousands of reports received since 1994, less than 1% have yielded enough physical evidence to clearly confirm the presence of a mountain lion. Now, much of that information is courtesy of the Missouri Department of Conservation. So what they're saying is that mountain lion sightings do take place in Missouri, but they're super rare. Now imagine there are only a few in the entire state. The chances of anyone ever seeing that cat is very, very slim. And that's just regular cougars. Forget about this strange black variety that is yet to be confirmed. So thank you again caller for sharing the info. Now be careful out there on that mower. Running a business is hard work. Building your website shouldn't be. With wix, you can express your ideas, give direction, then leave the heavy lifting.

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[Jack Wagner]

Hello Monsters among us. My name is Nora Gower. I'm calling from Rock Island, Tennessee. This is my story. I want to preface and start by saying that I lived with my family my four children, my husband in Nashville for 20 something years before we moved out here to Rock Island. It's important to the story. So we move out to Rock Island. I'm very directionally challenged so I'm very aware of my surroundings. In Nashville, in the city, there are lights, street lights where you can see the road and you proceed down the road and you can see. Well in the country in Rock island there are no street lights, no lights, hardly anywhere. So as I'm going to work and I get up at like 3 and I was going in, leaving about 3:30. So I'm driving down the road, it's still night, darkish, and there's always this dog like laying in the road. So as I kind of come along these really curvy roads, it's dark and it's really early morning. So I'm watching, slowing down for the dog. Usually laying on the road. This particular morning I'm really hyper aware of the dog some reason. And I'm looking at the spot where he's usually laying and I see big yellow eyes, blacker than black black cat. And I could see his tail like curled up around his body where I could see his tail look so big. Anyway, I couldn't believe I had seen it. I thought almost I was imagining it. And it was big too. Like if I would have gotten out of the car it would have been, I mean, you know, not my shoulders but thereabouts. Like I'm five foot, it would have been big. Anyway, that's my story. And also I started getting up even earlier. So I'm getting up at 2 and I'm leaving the house by 2:45. And I am also on the same road. I'm used to the road right now, this is five years later and this huge gray whoop. I guess it was a wolf. It was almost like it was on the side of my car. It's like I could hear rustling on the side of my car, you know, running. And then as I'm slowing down, it goes across my car. No big deal except for when my headlights hit the arms of this big huge gray wolf. I promise you it almost looked like a human muscle. You know how like when you make a muscle and the muscles kind of round like that. Not seeing a big huge wolf up close. I don't know if maybe this looks like that, but it was part of the course to tell you about that since I did see a big huge blacker than black black cat was big yellowish eyes. Anyway, that's my story. Thank you again. Nor out.

[Derek Hayes]

Thank you, Nora. And thank you for the bonus encounter there at the end with the wolf. A dozen or so episodes ago we talked about how red wolves are making a comeback in parts of Tennessee thanks to a breeding program they have set up there. So perhaps that is which you saw, although that doesn't explain the human muscle on the arm. But as far as the big cat is concerned, the last cougar to be confirmed in Tennessee was back in 2016. But that was a regular tawny colored cat, not one of these mystery black cats that everyone's reporting. So who knows? But we are thankful that you took the time to share the experience with us, Nora. So thank you again for calling in. Now, let's slip in one more story before our final break. Another rare entry from west of the Mississippi river. Way west. Please welcome Hannah from the state of Oregon.

[Jack Wagner]

Hello Derek, my name is Hannah. Love your podcast. I had a very unusual experience this morning. I'm a photographer here in southern Oregon and I was loading up photos to bring to the gallery here in Bandon. When I was loading up the photos, what I saw about 30ft away from me was a dark silhouette about the size of a medium sized dog. It had a cat's head, it had pointed ears and a big long tail. Not sure what this was. I have seen lynx, I've seen cougar, seen all kinds of animals here in southern Oregon, but I've never seen this. Actually looked like a cutout of a large cat. It saw me and I saw it. Got a good 3 second look at. Took about 2 seconds for it to understand that I was watching. Jumped in two jumps about 1012ft apart and went into the side of bushes. I don't know what I saw. Think it would be a cougar, but I know cougars don't have that kind of dark fur. This was in the morning, it was complete daylight. Looked like a cutout of a cat, just a dark shape of a cat. Again, the tail is the one thing that I really could see last from my vantage point when it went to the woods. Maybe a foot and a half, long tail, very long tail, full of fur. I immediately put my photographs on the ground and went back inside and I have been looking online to see what kind of animal would match this and I can't find any. I appreciate your show. Thank you very much. Bye bye.

[Derek Hayes]

Thanks Anna. Yet another puzzling mystery because mountain lions or cougars do live throughout the state of Oregon, but as Hannah had mentioned, it wasn't the correct color. And as we've already established on past episodes. There have been a couple of albino mountain lions photographed over the years, but never a black one or a melanistic one as they're often called. Now. I should mention that it's a bit ironic that a photographer wasn't able to catch a photo of this creature, but thinking back to my experience, even if we had iPhones back then, I still wouldn't have been able to take a picture. It was just that fast. So regardless of what it was, Hannah, we appreciate you sharing that report here with us. Running a business is hard work. Building your website shouldn't be. With wix you can express your ideas, give direction, then leave the heavy lifting to AI.

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[Jack Wagner]

The past few weeks.

[Derek Hayes]

Started at the beginning of up to season six.

[Jack Wagner]

Now know that you've had a black.

[Derek Hayes]

Cat experience and I thought I'd call and share my black cat experience that I had.

[Jack Wagner]

I was about eight years old.

[Derek Hayes]

We lived in central Florida and this was 1978. We lived in the middle of nowhere. Parents had bought some land that was.

[Jack Wagner]

All hunting land that people hunted on.

[Derek Hayes]

They had got five acres of land in the middle of these woods.

[Jack Wagner]

Our closest Neighbor was probably 2 or.

[Derek Hayes]

3 miles one lane dirt road that went down. We were almost at the end of it. I was playing in the yard one day and I had a swing set.

[Jack Wagner]

With monkey bars and slide swings.

[Derek Hayes]

Stuff like kids have.

[Jack Wagner]

I was playing in the backyard. We were surrounded by woods.

[Derek Hayes]

Palmetto bushes growing in the woods with pine trees. Anything in the woods you'd hear stepping.

[Jack Wagner]

On the palmetto, crack and breaks.

[Derek Hayes]

You could hear anything. There was something in the woods before it got to you. Well, I heard something in the woods and looked up and there was a big black cat, black panther. And it was crouching down like it was stalking me. And I ran to my swing set, climbed up on top of the monkey.

[Jack Wagner]

Bars and started hollering for my parents. And it ran over to the swing set where I was at. My dad had heard me yelling.

[Derek Hayes]

He had looked out the window and saw it.

[Jack Wagner]

He grabbed his rifle and come out the back door.

[Derek Hayes]

And guess he didn't want to shoot it. He fired a shot off in the.

[Jack Wagner]

Air to scare it.

[Derek Hayes]

When he fired off the gun, it.

[Jack Wagner]

Scared it and it ran. Well, also, we had a black lab.

[Derek Hayes]

It got his attention and it had some beagles and it got their attention.

[Jack Wagner]

And they all decided to take the chase after it.

[Derek Hayes]

They chased it into the woods.

[Jack Wagner]

It ran back into the woods. Beagles, they gave up before the lab did and heard the lab fighting with it.

[Derek Hayes]

And then we heard him yelping.

[Jack Wagner]

He come running back to the house.

[Derek Hayes]

But the cat had took a chunk out of the top of his head.

[Jack Wagner]

Pretty good sized chunk of scalp missing.

[Derek Hayes]

Took us a while to get that healed up.

[Jack Wagner]

Matter of fact, my dad had talked to some people around there. There was actually at that time quite a few people that had seen that.

[Derek Hayes]

Same cat in those woods while hunting.

[Jack Wagner]

I know there was black bear out there. I'd seen black bear in the woods there, but that was the only time I saw the black cat. But at that time in the 70s, nobody seemed too surprised, you know, to see a black cat because nobody knew.

[Derek Hayes]

There wasn't supposed to be black panthers.

[Jack Wagner]

Wasn't till later on in life heard, you know, that there's no such thing as black panthers.

[Derek Hayes]

Yes.

[Jack Wagner]

Nobody has ever caught one.

[Derek Hayes]

I always thought that was strange because what I saw was a big black cat. What my dad saw, he always said it was a big black cat and.

[Jack Wagner]

He knew what other animals looked like. He had a black lab.

[Derek Hayes]

So I know it wasn't a dog.

[Jack Wagner]

Knew what a bear looked like, it wasn't a bear. I just thought I'd share that story with you. I really love the show. Thank you.

[Derek Hayes]

Thank you, Belle. Another older encounter and I love them. The fact that these older accounts exist means that this sort of thing has been going on for quite a while, which to me at least makes it that much more believable, making it more realistic that there really could be something out there. I don't want to paint these creatures as villains. While big cats do attack, it's rare and not at all a common occurrence. So I hate to perpetuate a bad reputation, but I can't help but wonder if this cat was looking to have a little boy for lunch, eyeballing Bill, who was playing on the monkey bars. In other words, it was hunting, and the dogs essentially saved Bill's life. Now, there's not a ton of information out there about these alien big cats, but I did manage to find a map that was assembled by the Eastern Puma Research Network and shares data collected between July 1, 1993, to December 31, 2000. And it essentially gives sighting totals for each state east of the Mississippi. And it further breaks down the sightings by color of the creature or if cubs were present. And some of these states have some impressive black cat sighting numbers. Pennsylvania had 282 in that span. New York 146. Wisconsin 98, and West Virginia 76. And though the sighting numbers on this map are nothing too impressive for the state of Alabama, that's where these last two stories stem from. So from the Yellowhammer state, please welcome TJ back to the program.

[Jack Wagner]

Hi, Derek. TJ from Salem, Alabama, about 14, 15 years ago, somewhere around 2004, 2005, I was about 15 or 16. Anyway, I used to steal cigarettes from my dad, go outside and smoke them. Well, probably about 11:30 midnight, something like that, I'm going out back to smoke a cigarette. My dad lived in a fairly busy neighborhood. A lot of traffic, a lot of kids, a lot of pets, tons of pets. It was almost never quiet there. You always heard dogs barking, you know, stuff going on. I'm out there smoking a cigarette, and the best I can describe this, I hear this growling noise that kind of like what you would imagine the boogeyman to sound like. Even I can't even compare it to any animal that I know of. I thought it was my imagination. Well, I noticed that suddenly everything was quiet. There were no dogs barking, nothing. A little area just glanced over at the road, and walking down the road is this enormous black cat. Had to have at least stood 4ft tall. It was almost tall as the fence around my dad's yard. And I just froze. Just in. Terry just froze. I didn't know what to do, so I thought anything you might draw attention to me. And a lot of big cats attack when they see Movement. And I watched it walk up the road and then it disappeared into the wood. My whole childhood, I'd heard stories of Black Panthers living in the forest of Alabama. And I think a lot of people have heard that, but they say that that's supposed to be impossible. But I'm 100% sure that I saw big black cat. I mean, it's obvious that's what it was. It couldn't have been more than two yards away from me at the time. Like I said, I was so scared, I just froze. I didn't know what else to do. So that's my alien black cat story. Love the podcast and you'll definitely be hearing more from me. Thank you.

[Derek Hayes]

Thank you, TJ, for ringing in. That's a perfect example of a typical experience. A fleeting glance is all you get of these mystery creatures. If you're lucky, that is. And if you don't believe me, just ask Josh, because he too is calling in from the state of Alabama.

[Jack Wagner]

Hey, Derek, this is Josh. I live in the state of Alabama, like the northwest corner. I had a story for you. I was hunting. We have like about 80 acres. It's a farm, and we have horses, and then we have a lot of woods. And so I'll hunt, you know, from time to time. And so I was out hunting one morning, you know, a buck had walked up. I mean, I had just got in the woods and when I walked in, you know, I was stomping around and I felt like nothing was going to come. But this is really not pertinent to the story, but the buck walked up and I shot. And this was the first buck that I'd ever shot at. And I'd killed, you know, deer before, but never a buck like this. I shot and I missed. And long story short, you know, he ran off. And I searched the area. I couldn't find it. And so I don't know, maybe two or three days it went by and, you know, I really felt like I'd maybe hit the deer because it was, you know, pretty close range. But when one comes up, you know, you're kind of shaky and you get buck fever. And so I was coming home from work, it was middle of the day. I don't know if I said, but this was probably about three to four years ago. I remember it was cool outside. It wasn't cold yet, so probably like fall. And as you're coming down my road, my neighbor's property, they have like 70 something acres and they had clear cutted all their trees. They had done this probably two years ago. And so there was an old logging road that was kind of grown up. And so I had seen some buzzards flying in a circle around in that clear cut at a far off distance. I was thinking, what if I could go out and find my deer? So I got out of my car. It was kind of creepy that day for some reason, because I seen paw prints and stuff in the mud there. And I was thinking, you know, wow. I just had this feeling like, what if a bobcat or something was to jump or, you know, attack me or something like that? I mean, I don't even know why I really thought that, but I just had that, you know, go through my mind. And so I hurried up, you know, I started climbing back up the next ridge. And I was standing on top and I was trying to look around to see where were those birds flying. And, you know, there were some stumps and stuff. Everything was, you know, cleared off. It was a big clear cut. It had the sage kind of brush looking stuff. It was, you know, three, four foot tall, whatever. So I was looking around, and about that time, something caught my eye. And it was a black animal. It was, like walking straight away from me on the ridge, right next to me, this thing. I mean, immediately when I saw it, my blood ran cold. Like, I knew it was a cat. It was huge. I mean, when I say huge, I'm talking like way bigger than a house cat. Like, I mean, this was bigger than, like a normal dog, you know what I mean? And it was walking straight away from me. And the tail went down almost all the way to the ground and then curled back up almost like an upside down candy cane. Just like a cat's tail. I've never seen any dogs in the area that had any sort of features like that at all. I mean, I knew for a fact what I was looking at was the back end of a big cat. I could not see its face because, like I said, it was walking straight away from me. And for some reason, I seen at the very bottom of this ridge, there was a couple little beagle dogs that were like, you know, maybe like neighbor's dogs. But, you know, they were just house dogs and they were on the trail of something. Like they were smelling the ground and they were looking. And so I whistled like you would, you know, for a dog. And immediately the dogs looked up, their tails were wagging. But the black animal up the top of the ridge, like, it was trying, like, you know, maybe to get away from them, but it was walking, like real stealthily. Just like a cat would walk away. I know what animals are in my neighborhood, and I know what dogs look like when they're walking away from you versus what a cat looks like when it's walking away from you. The black animal will say, never looked back and the tail never moved. We have a, you know, indoor house cat that my wife got, by the way. I'm not a big cat cat fan, but anyways. And I know how she walks around the house and how she acts, and we have dogs, and so I know how dogs act. And I could distinctly tell that whatever this was walking straight away from me. That was probably at the most, 30, 40 yards away from me. And I would say that it was, gosh, I would say two and a half feet tall. And the tail looked to be, you know, two to three foot long, but, you know, it was down and then curled back up and it just kept walking. You know, it never acknowledged the whistle. And the other little dogs that I noticed at the bottom that they were, like, smelling something, and they were on, like, the trail of this probably this cat or something. You know, they looked right at me, and this black cat at the top dwarfed the two dogs at the bottom. I've lived in Alabama for pretty much my whole life. I've always heard stories of, you know, black panthers, and I've heard your story and was kind of nervous about calling in and everything. But after hearing your Season eight Episode zero, I was like, man, I'm gonna call in because I know what I saw that day, and I know for a fact it was no house cat. I know for a fact it was not a dog. I just do not know of any other animals that live in the state of Alabama that, you know, I would have mistaken this big black cat to be. I mean, immediately when I saw it, I didn't have any kind of weapon on me or nothing. You know, I was coming home from work. I mean, I'm telling you, my blood ran cold. I know what I saw. I love the podcast. It keeps me awake at night. Keep doing what you're doing, man. Love monsters among us. You have a good day, buddy. Bye bye.

[Derek Hayes]

Thank you, Josh. You know, those dogs are awfully lucky. They could have easily become blanched to whatever that thing was. Now, as far as sightings in the state of Alabama are concerned, there's one that has become a bit famous, or at least it used to be another strange black cat. But this time, the witness was able to obtain proof by way of a body. The following was pulled from the book Shadow the Black Panthers of North America by Michael Mays, one of the only publications on this subject. A reader sent me a clipping from the January 25, 1975 edition of the Mobile Register detailing the capture of a jaguar undy outside of Birmingham by a man named J.N. biddy. According to the article, Mr. Biddy heard his three dogs baying and went to investigate what he found. Upon arriving at the scene was a small cat like reddish brown animal with a 10 inch tail, rounded ears and an unusually long body. Mr. Biddy popped the cat on the back of the head with a stick when it hissed at him and then he pinned it up in an old chicken Cooper. Eventually, Mr. Biddy turned the cat over to the Birmingham Zoo. Zoo director Bob Truett said, I'll bet somebody bought him in a pet shop and turned him loose. Truett estimated the young cat was only five months old. The article was accompanied by a photo of Mr. Biddy with what is unquestionably a jaguarundy. The real question here is whether this cat was an exotic pet that was released by its owner when it became too difficult to handle, or if it was born in the woods of Alabama. Now I've attached that photograph in tonight's Show Notes if you want to take a look. But the animal mentioned in this article is a strong suspect for these mystery beast The Jaguarandi, a 20 pound black cat native to Central and South America. And there are some reports from southern Texas, which is at the very northern tip of its range. But many wonder if these elusive, relatively harmless creatures have made their way further north than that, filling a void in the food chain left by the now extinct Eastern puma. And like I said, I did link to that photograph in the Show Notes, visit monsters among us podcast.com and click the Show Notes tab to take a look. I can't tell for sure if the animal is still alive in the photograph, but he sure is a cute little guy. And folks, that's going to do it for this episode. I love the subject and it's not just because I had an experience. No, I'm a cat guy. I have a couple of black house panthers myself and I'm also an animal guy. I've always had a fascination with the wild kingdom and I also love wild places. And you can't have a wild place without wild critters. And what's more wild than an unknown, monstrous big black cat? Now, Monsters Among Us was written and produced by me, Derek Hayes. Copyright Red Crow Media. Additional support was provided by Sarah Carter Hayes Delaney Bowers and Connor Ryan. All media used in this production is done so under the protection of fair use. Give us a like and follow at our social media accounts, Follow us on YouTube if you would, and leave us a rate and review wherever that sort of thing is possible. Don't forget, you can catch the show every Saturday evening at 10pm Eastern on the UN Digital Network. Just visit onxnetwork.com to learn more and tonight's score was provided by Iron Cthulhu, Apocalypse Co AG HE Music and Carl Casey at Whitebot Audio. Now don't forget to watch our film Shadows in the Desert, High Strangeness and the Prego Triangle. There are no phantom big cats in that documentary, but we cover just about every other phenomena you can think of. Visit borregotriangle.com to learn more. And our shop is still on sale for just a couple of more weeks. Monsters among us podcast.com and click the Shop tab. As of now, everything is 20% off and it'll be that way until at least June. Alright folks, I'll catch you all back here on Thursday for a brand new installment. Until then, keep it spooky and above all else, have yourselves a good night.

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