S20 Ep2: Phantom music, sasquatch and West Coast dogman (Sn. 20 Ep. 2)

Summary

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Monsters Among Us S20 Ep2 Summary

"Phantom music, sasquatch and West Coast dogman"

Host: Derek Hayes
Date: October 16, 2025
Podcast Theme:
A chilling collection of first-hand reports from listeners describing encounters with the paranormal, including ghosts, UFOs, cryptids like Bigfoot and Dogman, and other unexplained phenomena. The episode weaves first-person witness reports with Derek's context, commentary, and related research.

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Episode Overview

Derek Hayes guides listeners through a stormy night of supernatural stories from across the U.S., focusing on phantom music, strange orbs, Sasquatch in the Northwest, and a deep dive into a string of West Coast Dogman (werewolf-like creature) sightings. The episode’s tone remains suspenseful and empathetic, amplified by atmospheric music and Hayes’ evident enthusiasm for the supernatural.

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Key Stories and Insights

1. Phantom Music Box in a North Carolina Plantation Home

Caller: Angela from North Carolina
[03:01–06:40]

• Story Summary:
  Angela recounts occurrences in a historic, Civil War-era plantation home in Winnebow, NC, owned by her husband's family. While preparing the house for Airbnb rental, her skeptical husband hears and tracks down an old, long-broken music box playing for two minutes on its own. Later, a guest logs in the guestbook that she periodically hears unexplained music, which always stops upon investigation.

• Family History:
  Every family member who stays there has experienced something.

• Host Context:
  Derek shares a similar legend of a haunted music box at Larundel Asylum in Australia and even plays a purported recording of its spectral tune.

• Tone:
  Empathetic, intrigued—setting the night's eerie mood.

• Quote:

  "Hearing disembodied music is one thing, but to hear disembodied music coming from a tiny child's music box—well, that's another thing altogether.”
  — Derek Hayes [06:40]

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2. Metallic Orbs over Ventura County, California

Caller: Anonymous
[12:24–13:56]

• Story Summary:
  Caller sees a 5-inch metallic sphere launch behind a mountain in broad daylight. Frustrated at missing a photo, she later provides examples. Derek contextualizes the sighting in Ventura County's UFO-rich history, citing the 1959 “basketball-sized orb” police account, and draws connections to military or even alien explanations.

• Notable Quote:

  “Just picture a chrome basketball hovering in the air.”
  — Derek Hayes [13:56]

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3. Indoor Flash of Light: Orb Phenomena

Caller: Brittany
[18:14–22:12]

• Story Summary:
  Brittany, south of the Mason–Dixon, describes two separate late-night incidents a year apart: a blinding, unnatural flash of light appears in her pitch-black bedroom. She exhaustively rules out environmental or technological causes. She ponders whether it’s paranormal, possibly even her deceased sister (though the timeline doesn’t fit).

• Host Context:
  Derek draws a line between metallic UFO orbs (previous story) and Brittany’s “ball of energy,” suggesting the latter may be ghostly in origin.

• Quote:

  “It was like the equivalent of an LED headlight in pitch black... but it was in my house, in my room.”
  — Brittany [18:38]

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4. Eerie Camping Incident: Leash Severed

Caller: Annette from Oregon
[24:48–27:01]

• Story Summary:
  In her 20s, Annette camps in Oregon’s Cascades. After a nap, both dogs’ ropes are precisely cut, allowing them to roam. No people seen, atmosphere is deeply unsettling.

• Host Insight:
  Derek highlights the unlikelihood of both ropes being severed by accident:

  “That’s sus, as the kids would say.”
  — Derek Hayes [27:05]

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5. Central Washington Bigfoot Sighting

Caller: Nick relaying stepdad’s account
[27:44–31:10]

• Story Summary:
  Nick’s stepdad recalls, with rare clarity (despite dementia), seeing a Bigfoot atop an embankment in 1990, which leapt down, stared, then disappeared into the woods. Local loggers confirm similar encounters.

• Quotes:

  “Bigfoot’s looking back at him… Then Bigfoot jumps off… landed right in front of him.”
  — Nick [29:03]

  “As soon as you start moving...he just takes off.”
  — Nick, relaying loggers’ advice [30:30]

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6. Brush with a Skinwalker/Dogman?

Caller: Greg from Southern California
[32:26–33:51]

• Story Summary:
  Driving at night near Idaho-Oregon border, Greg and his wife feel their truck hit something like a coyote. At the next stop, there's no physical evidence—no dent, blood, or fur. Greg wonders: did he hit a skinwalker or dogman?

• Host’s Fascination:
  Derek relishes discussing stories of “dogmen, werewolves… ethereal beasts.”

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7. Generational Haunting: The Little White Entity

Caller: Tina from Northern California
[36:17–43:38]

• Story Summary:
  Tina shares her late grandmother’s lifelong nightmare of a child in white following her. Family members (including Tina) report actually seeing such a small, white figure in the house, hearing unexplained footsteps, and even witnessing toys moving on their own (notably, a Pee Wee Herman doll turning its head). When the house changed ownership, new residents also encountered the spirit until a priest blessed the home.

• Notable Moment:
  Tina’s cousin visits the old house and is told by the new occupant:

  “Oh, you mean the little entity?”
  — New Homeowner (as relayed by Tina) [43:16]

• Host's Reflection:
  Derek ponders: did the entity present itself differently to different people (grandmother vs. others)?

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8. Dogman Sighting in Inland Empire, California:

Caller: Joe from Michigan (story from Rubidoux, CA)
[45:10–49:24]

• Story Summary:
  Joe describes seeing a towering, werewolf-like creature just outside his childhood bedroom window (late 1990s, Rubidoux, CA). Despite living in a city, the creature's snout, ears, and size haunt him to this day. He questions whether he hallucinated, but remains unsettled.

• Host Context and Deep Dive:

  • Derek connects this account to similar inland empires and Southern California "Dogman" sightings—including police radio chatter of someone in a werewolf mask peering in windows, and witness reports of large canine creatures.
  • He shares from his personal life, even referencing movie props from his work on the "Underworld" series for comparison.
  • Several other local run-ins (e.g., Devore, Redlands) are cited for similarities: the creature’s canine head, unnatural movement, peering into windows, and vanishing after being struck by vehicles.

• Quote:

  “Could someone in the SoCal region be peering in windows wearing a werewolf mask? ...No, I'm not going to close things out here with some dude in a werewolf Halloween mask. We can end on a much spookier note than that.”
  — Derek Hayes [54:42]

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9. “Missing Time” While Driving

Caller: Sandy from Virginia
[62:45–64:32]

• Story Summary:
  Sandy describes dozing off for a second driving at night—only to “wake up” 20 miles ahead, having no memory of the intervening drive. She compares her story to a previous episode’s mention of “jumping.”

• Host's Relatability:

  “...a small version of this has happened to all of us. At some point we’ve sort of zoned out on our way home...”
  — Derek Hayes [64:32]

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• [06:40] Derek Hayes:
  “Hearing disembodied music is one thing, but to hear disembodied music coming from a tiny child's music box—well, that's another thing altogether.”

• [13:56] Derek Hayes:
  “Just picture a chrome basketball hovering in the air.”

• [18:38] Brittany:
  “It was like the equivalent of an LED headlight in pitch black... but it was in my house, in my room.”

• [27:05] Derek Hayes:
  “That’s sus, as the kids would say.”

• [29:03] Nick:
  “Bigfoot’s looking back at him… Then Bigfoot jumps off… landed right in front of him.”

• [43:16] Homeowner to Tina’s cousin:
  “Oh, you mean the little entity?”

• [54:42] Derek Hayes:
  “Could someone in the SoCal region be peering in windows wearing a werewolf mask?...We can end on a much spookier note than that.”

• [64:32] Derek Hayes:
  “...a small version of this has happened to all of us. At some point we’ve sort of zoned out on our way home...”

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• 03:01 – Phantom music box in North Carolina (Angela)
• 12:24 – Ventura County metallic orb UFO (Anonymous)
• 18:14 – Blinding indoor light/orb (Brittany)
• 24:48 – Camping, dogs’ leashes cut (Annette)
• 27:44 – Sasquatch in Whistling Jacks, WA (Nick)
• 32:26 – Collision with possible skinwalker (Greg)
• 36:17 – Generational haunting, entity in white (Tina)
• 45:10 – Childhood Dogman encounter, Rubidoux, CA (Joe)
• 54:26 – Palmdale “werewolf mask” police report (clip)
• 56:05 – Devore Dogman “run/gallop” account
• 57:46 – Redlands Dogman, hit by car (Adventure Guide, YouTube)
• 62:45 – “Missing time” on road, Virginia (Sandy)

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Episode Highlights & Tone

• Listener-driven: Authentic first-person call-ins are the backbone.
• Host as both curator and investigator: Derek provides not just transitions but deep context, cross-referencing legends, history, and area reports.
• Atmospheric and suspenseful: Stormy SoCal night, references to horror movies, and local legends layer the mood.
• Empathy: Derek always respects skepticism and wonder, never ridiculing or dismissing callers' experiences.
• Engaging narrative arcs: Especially strong in the Dogman segments, with Derek’s research and personal anecdotes providing depth and connection.

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Final Thoughts

For listeners, the episode delivers a satisfying blend of firsthand terror, thoughtful research, and community-building. Especially notable is Derek’s dogged pursuit of connections between disparate stories of Dogman and werewolf-like creatures in the California region, making for a memorable and spooky West Coast edition of Monsters Among Us.

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Good evening and welcome to Monsters Among Us. I'm your guide, Derek Hayes. Oh boy, are we in it tonight. The Southern California region is getting pounded with rain. The weatherman is calling for 2 to 3 inches over the next 12 hours, which is a lot for SoCal and it's a lot for areas with steep elevation gains because of flash flooding, mudslides, loose rocks, washouts, that sort of thing. So it's a real good night to stay home and listen to spooky stories. And coincidentally, that's exactly what I have prepared for you here this evening. A piping hot dish of monsters, ghosts and strange lights in the sky. But it's with a creepy tune that we begin here this evening. Please join me in North Carolina where Angela is waiting with a tail.

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Hi, this is Angela in North Carolina. I have a story. It's about 177-year-old plantation house in Winnebow, North Carolina, close to Wilmington. It's actually the old Governor Russell's mansion back during the Civil War, I guess. Anyway, my husband's family owns this house and it's beside my house and we were fixing the house up so that we could rent it out for an Airbnb. And actually my mother in law had been living in it but she since then moved. So we were going to do something with the house. And this was one day last summer. My husband was working on the house alone. He was hanging up lace curtains in one of the big bedrooms and he heard music playing, like a music box type music. He heard it playing and he went around looking for this music. It just started playing out of the blue. And he was looking everywhere and he found a little toy that used to be his when he was small. It was a little music box, like a jack in the box type thing. But it was a bear. It was like a little antique box. I don't know. Anyway, it was a little toy that his mom had gave him when he was baby. Well, he said it played for like two solid minutes and then it stopped. So he finished working. Anyway, he doesn't believe in any kind of paranormal stuff at all and nothing's ever happened to him. So he just chucked it up to coincidence. But later he was on the phone with his mom and he said, hey mom, do you remember the little teddy bear jack in the box that used to be mine when I was. And she said, yeah, I remember that thing. It hadn't worked in 20 years. Well, it just miraculously played that day. So he asked my son, he said, were you playing with that music box over there? Did you wind it up and it just finally like released or whatever. And my son was like, no, I haven't touched that thing. Anyway, later we ended up renting the house to somebody. It was a lady and her dog. And it's a big two story house. It got four porches on it and it's really old, but it's fixed up, it's nice. We've got it full of antiques and whimsical kind of stuff. Alice in Wonderland, wizard of Oz, just stuff. But she's decided to stay there by herself with her dog. And she left in the guest book that she periodically heard music playing. And when she would run upstairs with her phone to video record would stop playing. So anyway, that's my story. There's been several different things happen over there. A couple to me, few to other people. And everybody in the family that stayed there has a story. Thanks for listening. Bye.

[A]

Thanks Angela for the phone call. Hearing disembodied music is one thing, but to hear disembodied music coming from a tiny child's music box, well, let's see. Another thing altogether. Now I can't speak to Angela's husband's experience, but I can tell you this sort of phenomena has been reported in the past. There is no shortage of stories from others that have claimed to have heard the exact same thing. One legend in particular that dances around this phenomena is that of Laurendal Asylum in Bandura, Australia. The facility opened in 1953 and served to treat those with psychiatric disorders. Larundel was officially closed in the 1990s. But reports of Ghostly hauntings are still made by visitors, workers at the facility, and those brave enough to do an investigation there. According to legend, one female patient became increasingly attached to a trinket that she owned, one of the few possessions she was able to have with her inside the facility, a tiny child's music box. The sounds of that box were said to flood the halls of the asylum. That is up until her untimely death, which occurred in the third floor ward. Now, those who investigate Larundal have claimed to hear a phantom music box still echoing through the dilapidated halls. And as a special treat for you here tonight this rainy, spooky season evening, I have a recording of this purported phenomena. Now, the following was posted to YouTube by an investigator that goes by the handle Sheena Bakedbina. And according to the Post, she was investigating the building around 11:55pm where she found herself inside the largest building there at Larundal, the one with the long hallway, she says, when suddenly she heard this sound resonating throughout the hall. Super creepy. Now as for the list of things that you probably don't want to hear in an abandoned mental institution, I bet a haunted little music box ranks right up there. And that goes double for old plantation homes. Angela. So thank you for sharing that story and thank you for making the phone call. We all know that familiar feeling when dinner time rolls around and it feels like your fridge is full of question marks. Thankfully, Butcherbox has your back. Skip the last minute trip to the grocery store or the expensive takeout menus because ButcherBox delivers over 100 premium protein choices straight to your door, including 100% grass fed beef, free range, organic chicken, pork raised, grain free and wild caught seafood. For nearly a decade, Butcherbox has led the industry with meat and seafood that's antibiotic free, hormone free and independently verified. Every product meets the same rigorous standards, whether it's filet mignon or chicky nuggets. So whether you're feeding a growing family or trying to eat clean without the stress, Butcherbox offers curated or fully customizable plans that fit your schedule and preferences. I live in a small town with only one major grocery store and I gotta be honest, I don't love the meat choices from there. So being able to get Butcherbox's high quality protein straight to my door is awesome and super convenient. You can truly taste the difference. It's like an expensive restaurant quality meal right at home. As a certified B Corp. Butcherbox is committed to high standards from how the animals are raised to how their team supports workers and reduces environmental impact plus, every box ships free and includes members only perks like recipe inspirations, tips and exclusive deals. As an exclusive offer, our listeners can get free protein in every box for a year, plus $20 off your first box when you go to butcherbox.commau that's butcherbox.commau to get this limited time offer and free shipping. Again, that's butcherbox.com don't forget to use our link so that they know that we sent you.

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Whether or not it is true or false.

[A]

Now, our next entry comes to us from California, but it also comes to us anonymously. Please welcome our mystery guest to the program.

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Hi Derek. So I just wanted to call you right now because I'm sitting here at my window in the Ventura County. Mountains are right in front of my window. I don't even know how to tell you, but I just saw a metal sphere, probably must have been like 5 inches round. I don't know how to say that. Like a sphere. It wasn't big, but big enough for me to see. And it came behind the mountain like it launched and it was just going up, up the mountain. And I couldn't believe what I was seeing because why would a fear come out of a mountain in Turret county in the daytime? But I couldn't get my phone fast enough to take a picture, record it. I sit here at my desk all day. I'm gonna keep continuing to see if I see another one. I'm gonna send you some pictures of what it looked like. That way you could post it. But I'm just freaking out here. I don't know what that was. Anyways, Derek, thanks for all the work you do. I love hearing your stories and everybody's stories. Thank you. Have a good day. Bye.

[A]

Thank you, caller. True to her word, our caller did send in a couple of photo examples that give us a pretty good idea of what it was she saw. But frankly, it doesn't take much of an imagination. Just picture a chrome basketball hovering in the air. Now, as far as sightings in that area go, the region from LA all the way up to Santa Barbara is a genuine UFO hotspot. The Topanga Canyon UFO flap, the purported underwater USO base just off the coast there, and the countless reports made from that region over the past 75 to 80 years, all that activity has cemented this area as a bit of an area of high strangeness. Now, the last thing I'll note here is that these silver orbs seem to be growing in popularity. It was only a year and a half ago that we learned of the Mosul sphere, a silver sphere, not unlike our collars here, that was caught on US Surveillance video hovering over the city of Mosul, Iraq. I left a link to that gem in the Show Notes and before we move on, if the presence of these mysterious orbs are of a concern to you, apparently they've been seen in this part of California before. And apparently they've been in the area for a long time. Because the following report made to the National Archives at Riverside in 1959 claims that two law enforcement officials, Officer Orville Clinton and Sergeant D.A. kelly, witnessed four metallic orbs, approximately the size of basketballs, gradually moving northward in a line for San Cayetano Mountain over in Fillmore, California, which also is in Ventura County. Around 11pm Both men watched as the metallic orbs would come together, then move apart rapidly. The night was clear and the orbs made no sound and left no trail. The sighting lasted for more than two minutes before the objects faded out of sight. A link to all this information is of course available in the Show Notes. Just go to monsters among us podcast.com and click on the Show Notes tab. Good job keeping an eye out here, caller. And of course, please let us know should you see it again. Thanks again for calling in. And folks, if you have a story you would like to share here on the program, give my hotline a call at 888-608-NIGHT. That's 888-608-NIGH. Or you can record your story using the Voice Memo app on your phone and email it to me at monsters among us podcastmail.com now there are a couple of rules that you need to know. Don't forget to keep it to one story per call and call back if you need more time. Please only call a story in once. True stories only. And of course, call from a quiet room in your house, not from a vehicle, please. And if your youngsters have a story they would like to share, they can give our sister show a call, monsters among us junior at 8:33 MAU kids. Or you can shoot us an email at monsters among us jrmail.com however you reach out, we're dying to hear from you. Now, what's spookier than seeing a floating orb outside your office window? Well, how about seeing one inside your house? Please welcome Brittany to the platform.

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Hey Derek, this is Brittany. I am, let's just say, south of the Mason Dixon Line, this one that's happening in two towns. Something too big but just makes no sense whatsoever. So it was about a year ago, it was around 9 o' clock and I was getting ready for bed, had my door open and my roommate was home. Our bedrooms are luckily across the hall from each other. And I was getting ready, planning to lose some laundry. I had my door cracked about a few inches and I just see this flash of light. I have no idea where it came from. Like it was like the equivalent of an LED headlight in pitch black driving down the street at night. But it was in my house, it was in my room and it was so bright and I actually had my back towards it. It's like kind of caddy corner. But it was so bright, it was like somebody had taken a picture with an old school flash. And I have no idea where it came from. And I asked my roommate because her door was open and I was like, did you see that? The way her bed laid, she's facing the door. She didn't see anything where the hallway is and where the windows are located within the hallway. There's no way possible it could have been a headlight, you know, coming through.

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A blind or curtain or anything like that.

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It just. Where the position of the light came in, it made no sense. Well, cut to about six months later, my roommate moved out and I was living alone. It was around the same time, 9, 10 o', clock, I was getting ready for bed. And the way my room is, my bed is in front of a window. I love sleeping in the complete darkness. So I have blackout curtains, blackout blinds, everything. There's not an inch of light getting into this room. And I was just kind of watching tv, about to lay down, turn the light on. I was staring directly at the door when it happened, and I see this flash of light, the same exact light. It was at the same height of the door. I myself, I'm five' eleven, so this was the equivalent of somebody my height or taller if they were taking a picture. And like I said, my roommate had just moved out. So I was very kind of, I'm a true crime junkie, obviously believing everything paranormal. So I was very concerned, very freaked out. I honestly have no idea what it could have been because at that time I had another roommate moving in and I was on the phone with them. And I went through the entire house, every closet, all my windows are locked. I like to keep all the doors closed in the hallway so there was no light shooting in from anywhere. And I went outside just to see and there's nothing. Fire detectors on the other side of the house. Because, you know, sometimes when the battery is low and a fire detector, it'll kind of flash. Like there was nothing within that area that could produce that amount of light. It was like a pure LED light with like a flash of a camera. And I kind of thought that was. I was like, well, maybe somebody broke in and they're taking a picture of me and I'm not even aware they're in the house. It was not the case. Every door was locked, every window was locked, every window was covered. I have no idea what it was. My sister had passed away about two months before that happened. I was like, well, maybe that was her, but she was also a paranormal lover. And we distinctly had that conversation when she passed or when I passed.

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Like, we're out of here.

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We're not staying around, we're not haunting people.

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We're just moving on.

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So I don't think it would have been her. And of course, the first time it happened, she was still with us. So I have no idea what it is. Have a good day.

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Thanks, Brittany, for calling in. Now, full disclosure here. I think there's a huge difference between what Brittany saw and what the previous caller witnessed. Britney's orb seemed to be a ball of light or energy and in my opinion, seem to be of natural or possibly ghostly origin. The subject of our previous call, however, almost certainly originates from our own military or possibly from alien sources. Again, those are just my opinions. Now, I do like the idea of your sister coming back to visit Brittany, and I hope that was indeed the cause of your activity. But given the timeline, I'm not so sure that was the case. Either way, we're sorry for your loss. Whatever the explanation, this was an amazing story and I'm sorry I can't offer up any answers. But I can offer up a huge thanks to you, Brittany, for taking the time to call in. Now folks, it's time for another quick break. But when I return, I have a trio of calls that'll keep you locked inside your house. I'll be right back. I understand that I'm not alone.

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All right, as promised, I bet these next three entries will have you either wishing you were inside or happy that you are. Please welcome Annette out of the state of Oregon.

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Hi there.

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This is Annette. I was very young. I was in my 20s, and I went up to go camping. Well, the ultimate goal was to go into eastern Oregon. But we had worked all day, my boyfriend and I. We had worked in the morning, and then we got in our car and we went up Highway 58 in Oregon to go up into the Cascades. And we found a nice little camp spot just off the road. We had two golden retrievers, and it was my boyfriend's parents, dog Roxy and Charlie. They were great dogs. Anyways, so we got our tent set up, but we were kind of tired and wanted to stay up a little bit later and have a campfire. So we decided to maybe go in and take a nap so that we could stay up later. So we tied the dogs up with these sort of nylon ropes that, you know, you use for boats, you know, that plasticky kind of rope. We tied them onto their collars, and then we tied them to the picnic table. Because this camp spot, it only had like, maybe 12 or 15 camp sites, and there was nobody else there. But Highway 58 was just right off the road, and we didn't want the dogs to get hurt, so we took our nap. And we got up from our nap and we crawled out of the tent, and the dogs are just roaming around the campsite next to us. They're happy to see us. And I'm like, what the heck? You know, they're not tied up. So I looked down, and the rope has been sliced in half. So they had the rope connected to their collars. It was, you know, maybe a foot of rope, and someone had sliced it with a knife, a real clean slice. And it was the same way with both dogs. And they were happy to see us. And it was so weird. We were looking around. There was nobody there. We're thinking, did someone just stop and, you know, sever the rope? You know, is someone hiding in the woods? And just wanted to make sure that we knew they were there. Anyways, that night, we, you know, had our campfire. And I remember looking out in the woods and just, you know, thinking about that. But nothing else ever happened. It was just weird. Anyways, love what you guys do.

[G]

Love the show. Have a great day.

[C]

Bye.

[A]

Thank you, Annette. Now having one dog gets snagged on something, and maybe as A result, the rope gets cut. Well, I guess that's plausible. It certainly could accidentally happen. But to have it happen to both dogs, both leashes, well, that's Susan, as the kids would say. Now, if something like that wasn't enough to unnerve you, Get a load of this one from Nick from just north of there in the state of Washington.

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Hey, Derek, this is Nick from central Washington. This is not my story. I just heard this five minutes ago from my stepdad. Full disclosure, he does have dementia, but my mom is the one who started the story. And as soon as she mentioned it to him, clarity came to his eyes. It was crazy to see. But anyways, he told me this amazing story. So, anyways, in 1990, roughly, he was up at a place called Whistling Jacks, which is up above Nachees, which is central Washington, in a place called the Nile, which is just the middle of the forest. Badass river goes through there. Amazing trees, tons of logging going on. So Whistling Jackson is just like a little lodge that's up there. They have rooms that you can rent to stay. They have a restaurant, they have a bar. They have a little mini mart attached, gas station, whatever. And so he was at whistling Jack's 35 years ago and decided to go on a hike. Used to hike a lot. He was a cowboy back in the day. So he was going up this old logging road, and he was just walking along, and he said there was like a big embankment to his right, probably about 12, 15ft tall. And out of nowhere, a bunch of rocks just started coming down. So he stops and he looks around. He doesn't see anything. It's like, okay, well, that's kind of crazy. Whatever. You know, he grew up being in the forest. And, I mean, when you come from central Washington, there's mountains and forests just everywhere. You're always around it. Anyways, so he continues on, and it happens again and a whole bunch more. And he stops and he looks up and he sees, just the way he put it, Bigfoot standing up there, looking right at him. He said it was a big, big boy. And he stopped and he stares at him. And Bigfoot's looking back at him. They're just staring at each other. Then Bigfoot jumps off of the top of the embankment 12 to 15ft up. Came out about 12ft and landed on the logging road that he was on right in front of him, you know, about 10ft away. And he said again, he was a big boy. And they just stood there and they stared at each other and just watched and he was like, well, I'm thinking about maybe trying to go back and get my camera and hopefully I can get a shot. But as soon as he turned, Bigfoot jumped off of the road they were on and went down the hill and was gone. And he said it was big and brown and. And he looked kind of like an ape, if you will, but bigger than any ape could ever be. Stood there with, you know, intelligent look, intelligent face, and was just watching him the same way he was watching him, and he said that he ended up going back to Whistling Jackson. That could have scared the living hell out of him. So he told the bartender, he's like, man, I think I just saw a Bigfoot. And the bartender told him that all the loggers up there and that area gets logged. All hell had all seen Bigfoot. And they all described him the same, and that he will stop and look at you, but as soon as you start moving, like, if you're gonna move towards him or move away, he just takes off. But if you just stand there, he'll just stare at you and you can stare at him. All of that kind of makes me jealous because I grew up in that area. I've been there a million times, and I've never seen him. And of course, you know, my stepdad gets to see him 30 years ago. So, anyways, keep up the good work, and thanks.

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I bet you never really forget a story like that, no matter how bad your memory gets. Thank you, Nick, for sharing the call. And, man, I love a good Bigfoot story. Of all the subjects we cover here on the program, I bet Bigfoot or Sasquatch is my number two. I just can't get enough of them. But sadly, I was looking through the Monsters Among Us call bank just this morning, and I only have a handful of other Bigfoot encounters on hand. Trust me when I say that's not enough, not by a long shot. So if you're sitting on a Bigfoot story or maybe you know someone that is, do the groundwork. Let's get those stories shared. 888-6089, or email me at monsters among us podcastmail.com either way, really looking forward to hearing from the big guy. And I bet you're gonna look forward to hearing this next story. That'll have you headed inside for the evening. Please welcome Greg out of the state of California.

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Hey, this is Greg from Southern California. And I was driving home and once I got outside of the last city in Idaho was marching, I believe, into Oregon, driving a 2020 Super Duty. I saw Something come out of the, you know, side of the road just from my headlights. Enough of me to say, oh, and put two hands on the steering wheel. I saw it. My wife didn't see anything. And I'm pretty sure I hit what I thought was a coyote. My wife felt it. Kids were asleep. And I got to the next gas station, which was about 30 minutes away, got out, looked at the truck, and there was no dent, no nothing. No blood, no fur, no anything like that on the truck. So I don't know if there's any skin walker in that area, but that's kind of what I think it was because there wasn't any evidence of me hitting anything. Anyways, love your podcast.

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Thanks. Bye.

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Thank you, Greg, for calling in. Now, this episode is accidentally very west coast heavy, but when the region offers upstairs stories like this, I have absolutely no issue with that. Now, what do you think it was that he ran over that night? Could it have been a skinwalker, as Greg seemed to suspect? Or maybe a dogman, perhaps Bigfoot, or maybe a known animal, a fox or a coyote, that narrowly escaped death by literal inches? Or, you know, maybe it was a trick of the eye. Perhaps a trash bag floating in the wind caught the draft of the truck and for a brief moment it took on a vague werewolf shape. Your guess is as good as mine, but these kinds of calls are my favorite to receive. There's just something about dogmen, werewolves, and other creatures that gets my blood pumping. And for that reason, this will not be the last time we touch on these ethereal beasts. But first, we need to take another quick break.

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Are you listening? Listening. All right, I promised another dogman story and I will deliver on that promise. But first, nightmares are bad enough, but when they come to life, that's when true fear sets in. Tina, welcome to tonight's show.

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Hi, Derek, this is Tina from Northern California, and I have been wanting to call in and share my story for a while, so I just want to jump in with telling you a story about my grandma she recently just passed away. She's 99 years old. But she had a recurring nightmare all her life of a little child dressed in all white, like in baptismal clothing who would follow her around her house and hold her arms out to her and call at her. And my grandma would run and slam doors and the little child would always show up again. And so as far as we knew, this was a nightmare that my grandma had. And she didn't really like to talk about it. So it's kind of the only information we could get out of her. So the crazy thing though is that many of my family members actually saw that little entity in her house. And so I wonder how we could see something if it was somebody's nightmare. I feel like maybe it was a little bit more than that. But one time we were at my grandparents house, they lived in Southern California and I had four cousins and we would spend all summer there. I spent a lot of time in her house. And they had a very cool little house, little modest, three bedroom. There was a den. And the den had a screen door that went into the backyard. So when you're playing in the backyard, you could look in and see in the den. And when I was about, I don't know, 10 or so, we were all running around playing outside. It was in the middle of the day, you know, having a good time. And I thought what I was doing and I looked over towards the house and I saw a little person run through the den. So I saw them run past the screen door. It was white and it was fast and it was little. It was not one of us. We were all outside. And I knew right then what it was. I knew it was the little entity that my grandma was so scared about talking about. I just kind of shook it off. I saw a lot of things when I was little and I never really. I never really got scared about supernatural. It was just kind of a given in our family. Talking to my aunt. This house that my grandparents lived, they raised all four of their children there. And my aunt would tell me that she had seen it several times out of the corner of her eye or dashing from room to room. And when she lived there as a young child, her brother lived outside and like this little platform room because they had three kids at the time. So in order for each kid to have his room, my father slept outside in this little like platform room. And every morning he would have to knock on that screen door for my aunt to unlock it and let him in so he can get ready for school. And she said that many, many times she would hear the knocking, she would get up, open the door, and there would be nobody there. He would still be asleep. So they had a lot of incidents when they were little living there that my aunt will talk about as we got a little older. After high school, my cousin actually moved in with my grandparents and she was staying in that den area. So when you walk in the front door, you're in the living room and the house goes to the left or the right. The left would be the kitchen, dining room. The right would be a hallway towards the bedrooms. And then if you just go around, there's the den. So you could, like, run laps if you wanted to, which kids would do. It was super fun. We could run from the den to the living room. Anyways, my cousin and I were in the den and we were getting ready to go to bed. It was late. We were just talking, talking, talking. The beds we were laying on, our feet were pointing towards the kitchen door, so you could see the light around the door if the kitchen light was on. And then our heads were pointed towards the bathroom door. So at some point we had just passed out. And I woke up all of a sudden, and I realized that the light in the kitchen was on because I could see it through the door frame. And I, for some reason, just assumed she was awake too. And I just said, who's in the kitchen? And as soon as I said that, the kitchen light went off, I heard these little footprints run through the living room where my bed was. It was the wall that shared the same wall with the living room. So I could hear someone run around through the living room. And then the bathroom light came on. And it all happened at the same time. Lights came on and off and little feet went running through the room. And I just laid there knowing exactly what was happening. And my cousin said, let's just go back to sleep. And we just went back to sleep. Because my grandparents were the only ones home and they don't run. We knew it wasn't them, so we knew it was the little entity running around. Another time, my cousin and I were sitting in the living room and we were just talking on the couch. And my uncle, who was older than us, he had one of those Pee Wee Herman dolls. He had it on the coffee table and it was facing the tv. And he thought it was really funny to put the doll there facing the TV like it's watching tv, because it was really stupid. So anyways, my cousin and I were talking. We look over and we see this Pee Wee Herman doll that he's got positioned watching tv. And we both were like, we hate that doll. That doll's so stupid. And then we start talking some more, and a little while goes by and we look over and the Pee Wee Herman doll's head is facing us. And we were like, oh, okay, that stupid doll. I hate that doll so much. We just picked that doll up and threw it in his room and slammed the door because the doll moved.

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We knew.

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We had both commented on how stupid it was that it was watching tv. I guess it didn't like that or something because then it turned to look at us. So anyways, my grandpa passed away and my grandma had to move out of that house. And my cousin, who still lives in Southern California, was driving through the neighborhood about a year or so ago and went by the house and decided to stop and knock on the door, and a very nice young family had moved in. And she said, I know this is weird, but I just want to know, has anything strange happen in this house? You know, my grandparents used to live here. I grew up here. I'm just curious. And he said, oh, you mean the little entity? And she was just floored. Like, wow. And he said that when they first moved in, things were a little strange, but they had a priest come in and bless the house. But basically since that happened, they haven't had any incidents. So that was pretty interesting that the entity stayed in the home. And I was happy to know it didn't follow my grandma anymore because she was living up in Northern California with us. So, anyways, I absolutely love your podcast, and thank you so much for letting me tell my story. I hope you can use it. Bye.

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Thanks, Tina. Sounds like an awful lot of activity, but as unbelievable as it all sounds, there is a bit of validation in that the new owners of the home have, too, had similar experiences. But that little entity that you spoke of, your grandmother, makes it sound like a child, but it seems that anyone else that comes in contact with it doesn't seem to paint it in the same light, which sort of makes me wonder if it didn't present itself differently to the grandmother than it did to everyone else. And that kind of stuff will definitely keep you up at night. So thank you again, Tina, for sharing your story, and be sure to let us know should you receive any updates before I push play on this final entry. A quick reminder that you can get all sorts of merchandise in our shop. Just visit monsters among us podcast.com and click the shop tab. Not only will you be supporting the show. But you're also supporting independent artists as well. Again, that's monsters among us podcast.com and smash that shop tab. Now on to that final entry. Joe, welcome to the program.

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Hey, Derek and Monster Fam. I'm Joe from Michigan, but my story is coming from Roubidoux, California. I'd say something around 1997. I was seven, I think it was quite a while back. Now I'm 35. But this one would have been at night, you know, I was getting ready for bed and sitting on my bed in my room and had to get up to go brush my teeth. But as I was going to do that, I looked over and through my window I saw what I can only really describe as a kind of typical werewolf looking figure. The light from my room was just enough to show the mostly black and kind of dark brownish hair on it. I can picture this thing like perfectly even to this day. I can remember the eyes and the ears at the top of their head and the snout going forward. And the closest depiction I could think of is either the werewolves from Skyrim the Game or from the Underworld series. Maybe it's pretty close, but it's not exact. And all I remember is that I was really scared at the time and I, you know, ran out. Of course, when I told my parents, they thought it was just, you know, kid imagination kind of thing. And you know, it could have been, you know, I was under a lot of stress during that time and that was around the time my insomnia started kicking up. But I think the biggest two things that I think about that is that just out beyond my window, maybe three feet, something away from it is the fence. And the fence was pretty tall. And this thing that I could see out the window had to be taller than the fence at least. It was obviously hunched over. And it was just the oddest thing because it wasn't just stationary, it was moving. And I could picture just how it kind of like, it was like a little bit of a shake motion that it did. But I think the thing that confuses me the most about it is that Roubidoux, California, it's pretty big city type area. And right where we were at, we were maybe about a mile or so from the bridge heading toward Roubidoux Mountain. So it's not like I was near any big wilderness areas. Ruby, really, when I was younger, I thought it had to have been some sort of shape shifting creature. Now that I'm older, you never really know. But I kind of feel like I might have just hallucinated it or something, but I've never seen anything like it before. And I've never seen anything exactly like it in movies or anything like that. But, man, if I could draw, I could probably draw that sucker up right good. But pretty recently actually did have the idea that it could have been just a dog that had gotten into our yard or was on the other side of the fence. And maybe it was just light enough that it made it look closer and was like standing, leaning on it, just sniffing around or something. But I'm not sure that it really matches up with it all. But it's something that's kind of bothered me throughout my life. I've never really had closure about it. And I think that's kind of the big thing that's a draw for a lot of us with stories is that there's really no closure to these things. Thanks very much and I love you guys and have a good one.

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Thank you, Joe. Now, for starters, for those of you unfamiliar with this area, and I didn't know either, even though I can literally see this area from just up the road here on the mountain, but Roubidoux is located just east of Riverside, California, here in the Inland Empire. So SoCal, for anyone outside the state. And coincidentally, Joe described the creature as looking like lichens from the film franchise Underworld. Well, as it just so happens, I was lucky enough to work on several of the Underworld films, beginning with Rise of the Lycans and going all the way up to Blood Wars. And when I left the company back in 2016, I asked my boss, who was a producer on all those films, if I could keep a prop from the movie as a bit of a keepsake. And being the amazing guy that he is, I ended up going home with a genuine lichen head. Now, this was just a visual reference mask. A performer would use this while wearing a green screen suit, and he'd be up on stilts. This lichen mask would then sit on the top of his head to create an eye line and a face for all the other actors to react to. This method also gives the creatures on screen their incredible size and height. So it's not exactly screen used, but it was an on screen reference tool, if you will. But it doesn't really matter because it's cool as hell either way and might I say, awfully scary. Now, all this humble bragging is to share with you that this thing is realistic and unnerving. And many times I've thought about crawling out onto the roof and using it to peer into Sarah's office window. She's working late at night. But then again, I'd prefer to stay married. I've attached a few photos of the mask in the show notes if you want to take a look. And I'll tell you if what Joe saw looked anything like it. He'll quickly understand why the story has stuck with him for so long. But as for Dogman, in this part of California, Sarah and I joke all the time about the Wolf man of Cedarclan, a sort of made up monster that we assign to every missing pet sign and every strange howl we hear coming from the forest. And a good friend of ours up here actually saw what he described as a werewolf in a storm drain only about a mile from where my cabin sits. So the theory is at least rooted in some sort of true encounter. We just embellished a bit for our own entertainment. But as it turns out, there are other run ins with this creature here in the inside mainland empire. And describing a similar creature isn't all that these encounters had in common. It seems whatever this thing is, it is a habit of looking into windows. The following account is from the popular podcast Dogman ENCOUNTER RADIO Episode 408 and according to that broadcast, the witness was roughly 10 years old when she had her dogman encounter. She was lying in her bed by a window that evening at her grandparents home in La Puente, California, only about 30 miles from the location of Joe's experience. The witness claimed that it wasn't different from any other night. That is until her dog Bear went crazy and woke her up in a rush to see what had alarmed her dog so badly. The witness jumped out of bed, peered out the window and came face to face with a creature staring in at her from outside. When she screamed for her mother, the creature stood up revealing its towering height. She dove under the covers. But by the time she regained her bravery the beast was gone. Now before both this entry and Joe's occurred years ago. So I can't say I cracked any case by any means, but I can say that I did find something that might explain both of these sightings. Now supposedly the following recording was made by the Palmdale, California Police Department. According to the Post, the incident occurred about two weeks weeks ago along the 3800 block of 3rd Street East. Here is the actual recording.

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38515 3rd Street East Crosswood Avenue. Q Queen 4 mil adult wearing a.

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Werewolf mask, wearing all black on a.

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Bicycle standing in front of location looking for windows.

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Left in southbound towards Palmdale Boulevard. 357.

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What do you think here folks? Could someone in the SoCal region be peering in windows wearing a werewolf mask? And could he or she have been in operation all this time stretching these great distances? There's 60 miles of mountains and city that separate Palmdale from Rubedo. That's a lot of ground to cover. No, I'm not going to close the things out here with some dude in a werewolf Halloween mask. We can end on a much spookier note than that. So if you will please allow me to make one more point. Now hopefully you remember me telling you about the Wolfman of Cedarclan, our mostly made up dogman up here on the mountain. Well after all this digging here tonight I not convinced that it's entirely made up. The following occurred just down the mountain from us near a town called Devore, right there along the i15. This is how the experience was printed in Lon Strickler's Phantoms and Monsters. I was 13 or 14 years old at the time. That night my band had played a Battle of the Band show at the Showcase Theater in Cross Corona. When we came home from the show I went to the side of the house near a shed to take a piss and smoke a cigarette butt that I had stashed. I looked into the field and gazed upon the trees and familiar scenery that I have known my whole life. I know the landscape perfectly, but one thing was out of place and at first I couldn't tell what it was that I was seeing. What I saw was what appeared at first to be a man walking, then running through the field on the side of my parents house in the early AM hours, maybe 1 or 2am this was extremely out of the ordinary for the time and place. No one would ever be out there. Its movement didn't look normal. Its legs were funny. Then I noticed it had the head of a dog like a coyote or German shepherd. It was headed north toward the mountains with the strangest movements. I can't describe. Just didn't look natural. Eventually it was out of my view. I can't remember if I heard any sound from it running. It was far enough away that I don't recall how it sounded. I just can't forget how strange it looked while it was running or galloping. I'm not sure there's a word to describe its movements. Now since I'm plotting distances on a map. This location is only about 16 miles from where Joe saw what he saw. And it doesn't end there either. I also stumbled upon this story, a literal run in with what some are calling the Redlands Dogman.

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Recently, a realtor with the initials J.K. from the Inland Empire or the I.E. who lives in San Bernardino county shared a story that happened back in 1996. He and his wife had left home early while it was still dark, and as they made their way to the highway, something massive bolted out in front of their car. Before JK could stop his car, he hit it and he hit it hard. He first thought he had hit a giant dog and was going to get out to check on it, but his wife felt something was off and begged him not to get out of the car. But he did anyway. He got out and he walked to the front of the car. And there on the ground was something he could not make sense of.

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It was not moving.

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So he got in his car and backed up to get a better look at it. His headlights were illuminating something massive and bulky, something canine that was clearly not canine. Quote, it had what looked like a lion's mane. It had teeth like it came right out of a Hollywood horror movie. I can't even begin to describe the fright I had in seeing this thing. Then in the report, he remarked again about its teeth, its massive teeth. Blood was pouring out of its mouth and it wasn't moving, but its massive amber eyes were both open and faced right at JK's direction. Neither him nor his wife could determine what this massive beast was, but it was not a bear and it had a canine's head. JK backed up and drove around it. He told his wife they would investigate it when they got back later on in the day and it was light. However, when they returned, it was gone and there was nothing there but a giant puddle of dried blood.

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Now that clip from YouTube user the Adventure Guide in the area I think that this took place in is less than 20 miles from the location of Joe's Run in and the video goes on to explore other experiences here in the area. And of course all of this can be found in the show notes at monsters among us podcast.com and this is where I had to stop. Not because I wasn't still finding information to the contrary in fact, but because I'm out of time for tonight. But listen, this is right in my backyard and now that I know these reports are out there, I'll be more vigilant and aware of any future reports. Something tells me this deep dive isn't over. But for now a huge thanks Joe for sharing the entry, and a huge thanks to you listener for swinging by here tonight. Now, Monsters Among Us podcast is written and produced by me, Derek Hayes, Copyright Red Grow Media. Additional support is provided by Sarah Carter Hayes, Delaney Bowers and Connor Ryan. All media used in this production is done so under the protection of fair use. Give us a Like and follow on our social media accounts. Give us a Like and follow on YouTube, join our Discord server and by all means leave us a rate and review wherever that sort of thing is possible. Now don't forget, you can catch the show every Saturday evening at 10pm Eastern on the unax digital network. Just visit onxnetwork.com to tune in. And finally, tonight's score was provided by Iron Cthulhu Apocalypse Code Code at HE Music I'm Carl Casey at White Bat Audio. Now don't forget to watch the film. Borregotriangle.com will get you there and hopefully I'll see you on the other side. If I don't have a good night.

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Sa.

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I can just call him Jamie. It's not dead.

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Not dead.

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Dead. Well, I spent far too much time on that Dogman deep dive. Now I'm playing catch up. But here to round us out here tonight is Sandy out of the state of Virginia.

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Hello, Derek, My name is Sandy, I'm from Virginia, and my call is in regards to season 18, episode 43 the guy that Was Talking About Jumping. I don't know if this is the same thing, but this happened to me about 26 years ago. It was before me and my husband were married and we had to travel like an hour to see each other. And it was probably in the fall.

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Time because we did a lot of.

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Traveling back and forth. It was about an hour from his house to mine. It was a nice cool night. I was sleepy when I left his house to go home. And I remember rolling the window down, trying to get air and everything. And so I had went through several small towns and when I got to this one town that I was, you know, normally go through, I start through that town, I get right at the first red light and I start through there and my head nods down like I'm nod and you fall asleep. And I jerked and I raised up my head real quick and I was completely in the next town past and it was at least 20 miles, which scared me because I thought, oh my gosh. I was like, I don't know what just happened. You know, I was just thanking God.

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That I didn't wreck and die. But I don't know if this has.

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Anything to do with what he experienced, but it's still in my mind, fresh. I'll never forget it and I hope never do it again, really, because it was kind of scary for me. But anyway, that's my story and I.

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Absolutely love the podcast.

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Thanks for all you do. Bye.

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Thank you for calling in, Sandy. I feel like a small version of this has happened to all of us. At some point we've sort of zoned out on our way home from work or the store. The next thing you know, you've driven several miles without any recollection. No. Imagine doing that and waking up in another town. It's truly disconcerting. And thank you again Sandy for sharing the tale. And folks, this is the point where I start checking for tickets because from here on out you gotta pay to play. But don't worry, it's super cheap and worth every penny. Just visit monsters among us podcast.com and click the Patreon tab or join us on Apple subscriptions. Either way, five bucks a month gets you days worth of back content and all the brand new stuff. And a dollar a month gets you all the regular stuff stuff ad free. And you can try either using the free seven day trial. There's truly no better way to support the show and to get so much content in return. So what are you waiting for? Join us in the beyond today where we share stories like Jake's and of the state of Oregon.

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Hey there, this is Jake from Oregon. This time I have a personal story that is a little hard to share because it is so personal, but I haven't heard anything quite like this on your show yet. So it started when I was about 6 years old. My little sister was just an infant about one, and my dad was in jail at the time. He ended up being there for a couple years. Anyways, so it's me and my mom and my sister at home. And I keep having this reoccurring dream. And in this dream I remember it so vividly because I had it for so long, you know, like three months or something like that. Like every single night. This is how the gym goes. So me and my dad, we're in the garage, we walk into the house, which this was the real house that we lived in by the way at the time. From the garage into the house, open the door and that door leads into the kitchen if you go left and into the dining room if you go right. Well, everything was on fire. Everything was on fire. And my dad looks at the front door, which is across the dining room and then across the living room and then into an entryway and then there was the front door.