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MOPs & MOEs is proudly sponsored by Teamworks — the performance operations platform trusted by elite military units and professional sports organizations worldwide. Teamworks brings your scheduling, communications, athlete monitoring, and readiness data into one unified system — so your leaders stay informed, your people stay connected, and your unit stays ready. No more scattered spreadsheets or missed messages. Just one platform built for organizations where performance is the mission. Learn more at teamworkstactical.comWe are also supported by TrainHeroic — the coaching and programming platform built for strength and conditioning coaches who train serious athletes. Whether you're programming for a military unit, a tactical team, or individual athletes, TrainHeroic gives you the tools to build and deliver professional training programs, track athlete progress, and communicate directly with your people — all through one app. Your athletes get world-class programming on their phone; you get the visibility to actually coach them. Start your free trial at trainheroic.comNavy Human Performance Is Coming — Commander Kevin Bernstein ReturnsKevin Bernstein is back for round two, fresh into a brand new role as Director of Human Performance for naval aviation on the East Coast. He's six weeks into building something the Navy has never had: a real program of record for the sailors flying, fixing, and fighting from carriers and squadrons across the fleet.What we get into:Why Navy's body composition data is the worst of any service, and why basic readiness tasks like firefighting and damage control on a ship demand a level of fitness the current PT test doesn't measure.The staffing model Kevin's building, borrowed from what's already worked at Naval Special Warfare — sports medicine physicians, physical therapists, strength coaches, dietitians, and cognitive specialists all under one roof, no turf wars, all reporting to the operator's needs.Why staffing needs differ wildly by platform — fighter jets versus cargo aircraft versus rotary wing all create different injury patterns and demand different specialists, and Kevin's building ratios around that instead of a one-size-fits-all model.The credentialing fight nobody talks about — whether embedded providers get privileged through the local hospital or through service leadership that actually understands the mission, and why that distinction will shape every branch's human performance program going forward.Scope of practice in the field — Kevin's blunt take on doing an ultrasound exam in a squadron space versus a sterile OR, and why "industry standard" sports medicine practice shouldn't get flagged just because it's happening outside a hospital.The Federal Acquisition Regulation deep dive — Drew and Alex make the case for a personal services contract exemption for strength coaches, and Kevin confirms he's quoting the same FAR language in the contracts he's writing right now.The actual rollout plan — POM-29 request for 73 new billets, a phased approach starting with strike fighter wings, and a realistic timeline stretching from 2028 to 2033.A surprisingly deep tangent on Pilates, Joseph Pilates' origin story rehabbing WWI soldiers, and why it might become part of the Navy's spine preservation programming.Mentioned in this episode:WPO — Warfighter Performance Optimization, the Pentagon-level effort referenced throughoutVice Admiral Vi and Rear Admiral Hancock — instrumental in standing up the human performance center at Camp Lejeune's School of Infantry EastLong and Strong — the Mops and Moes training program on TrainHeroic Views expressed are those of the speakers and do not represent any official organization.

MOPs & MOEs is proudly sponsored by Teamworks — the performance operations platform trusted by elite military units and professional sports organizations worldwide. Teamworks brings your scheduling, communications, athlete monitoring, and readiness data into one unified system — so your leaders stay informed, your people stay connected, and your unit stays ready. No more scattered spreadsheets or missed messages. Just one platform built for organizations where performance is the mission. Learn more at teamworkstactical.comWe are also supported by TrainHeroic — the coaching and programming platform built for strength and conditioning coaches who train serious athletes. Whether you're programming for a military unit, a tactical team, or individual athletes, TrainHeroic gives you the tools to build and deliver professional training programs, track athlete progress, and communicate directly with your people — all through one app. Your athletes get world-class programming on their phone; you get the visibility to actually coach them. Start your free trial at trainheroic.comPsychopaths, Purpose, and the Price of Vulnerability — Newton Cheng ReturnsNewton's back for his fourth appearance. Fresh off 17 years at Google, a keynote at the H2F Symposium, and a hospital room that reordered his priorities entirely. This one goes well past fitness.What we get into:What Newton saw at the H2F Symposium that Google never gave him — a room full of people who had dedicated their careers to a mission with no big financial payoff at the end, and actually meant it.Corporations as machines — why purpose-driven language at large companies eventually stops holding water, and what the difference looks like when the mission isn't profit.Strategic vulnerability — it's not open sharing, it's context-dependent and calculated. Vulnerability builds trust unless it reveals incompetence at a core responsibility. That distinction matters a lot in the military.The senior NCO who posted his failed two-mile run on social media — Drew, Alex, and Newton work through whether that was useful vulnerability or a self-own.The psychopathy of organizations — Newton's framework: psychopaths rise because they feel nothing, emotionally repressed leaders accumulate moral injury until they go toxic, and emotionally integrated leaders are the best case but the rarest outcome.Lying to Ourselves — the 2015 paper on dishonesty in the Army profession, and new data showing that reported unit readiness is moderately negatively correlated with actual performance at combat training centers.We're here to love and take care of each other, and that's it — Newton's first principle, arrived at in a hospital room after his daughter's leukemia diagnosis. She's doing well.Mentioned in this episode:Incorruptible — Eric Reese's new book on corporate governance and why even purpose-driven companies abandon their idealsLying to Ourselves: Dishonesty in the Army Profession — Leonard Wong, 2015A Clearer Mirror: The Promise of Combat Training Center Data — sent in by Lieutenant Colonel DaweThe Art of Community — Charles Vogel, former podcast guestAntoine de Saint-Exupéry — if you want to build a ship, don't drum up people to collect woodLong and Strong — the Mops and Moes training program on TrainHeroic → https://marketplace.trainheroic.com/workout-plan/team/leg-tuck-nation?attrib=565490-webViews expressed are those of the speakers and do not represent any official organization.

MOPs & MOEs is proudly sponsored by Teamworks — the performance operations platform trusted by elite military units and professional sports organizations worldwide. Teamworks brings your scheduling, communications, athlete monitoring, and readiness data into one unified system — so your leaders stay informed, your people stay connected, and your unit stays ready. No more scattered spreadsheets or missed messages. Just one platform built for organizations where performance is the mission. Learn more at teamworkstactical.comWe are also supported by TrainHeroic — the coaching and programming platform built for strength and conditioning coaches who train serious athletes. Whether you're programming for a military unit, a tactical team, or individual athletes, TrainHeroic gives you the tools to build and deliver professional training programs, track athlete progress, and communicate directly with your people — all through one app. Your athletes get world-class programming on their phone; you get the visibility to actually coach them. Start your free trial at trainheroic.comWhy Physical Therapists Believe Weird Things — Commander Mark RiebelNuclear submarine officer turned PT for Marine Raiders. This week Drew and Alex sit down with Commander Mark Riebel to talk therapeutic skepticism, why smart people believe dubious things, and what the research actually says about the modalities that dominate clinical practice.What we get into:Confirmation bias in the clinic — why providers remember the wins and discount the losses, and how that quietly keeps bad interventions alive longer than they deserve.The fiduciary vs. the crypto salesman — two models of patient care, and why putting the patient in charge of their own pain is both better medicine and better therapy.Dry needling, cupping, scraping, foam rolling, therapeutic ultrasound, KT tape — what the evidence actually shows, what's placebo, and why that distinction matters more than most providers want to admit.Citation for the discussion of treatment effects vs placebo and other factors: Ezzatvar, Yasmin, et al. "Which portion of physiotherapy treatments’ effect is not attributable to the specific effects in people with musculoskeletal pain? A meta-analysis of randomized placebo-controlled trials." journal of orthopaedic & sports physical therapy 54.6 (2024): 391-399.Trigger points, PRI, FMS, pose method — a tour through the tribes of physical therapy and how to think critically about any system that markets itself as the answer.The Future Sailor Preparatory Course — what it looks like, why it matters, and an honest conversation about the physical readiness of the recruiting pool.Weighted pull-ups post bicep repair, rear foot elevated split squats, and John's admirable hamstring appreciation — the after party delivers.Mentioned in this episode:Mark specifically recommended this ESPN video for a discussion of how nocebic language affects healthcare outcomesTherapeutic Skepticism — APTA talk by Mark Riebel and colleaguesCunningham's Law — the best way to get an answer on the internet is not to ask the question, it's to post a wrong answerBarbell Medicine — referenced on pesticide/produce misinformation researchFuture Sailor Preparatory Course — modeled off the Army's Future Soldier Preparatory CourseArmy Baylor — where Mark completed his DPTWest Point Sports Medicine Fellowship — where Mark learned to critically analyze research rather than chase magic tricksCharles Vogel, The Art of Community — former podcast guest, on how social spaces are engineered against genuine connectionLong and Strong — the Mops and Moes training program on TrainHeroic → https://marketplace.trainheroic.com/workout-plan/team/leg-tuck-nation?attrib=565490-web Views expressed are those of the speakers and do not represent any official organization.

MOPs & MOEs is proudly sponsored by Teamworks — the performance operations platform trusted by elite military units and professional sports organizations worldwide. Teamworks brings your scheduling, communications, athlete monitoring, and readiness data into one unified system — so your leaders stay informed, your people stay connected, and your unit stays ready. No more scattered spreadsheets or missed messages. Just one platform built for organizations where performance is the mission. Learn more at teamworkstactical.comWe are also supported by TrainHeroic — the coaching and programming platform built for strength and conditioning coaches who train serious athletes. Whether you're programming for a military unit, a tactical team, or individual athletes, TrainHeroic gives you the tools to build and deliver professional training programs, track athlete progress, and communicate directly with your people — all through one app. Your athletes get world-class programming on their phone; you get the visibility to actually coach them. Start your free trial at trainheroic.comThis week Drew and Alex sit down with Libby Alders — chaplain, researcher, library technician, and self-described tri-vocational nerd — to actually figure out what it is, why it matters, and why the military keeps trying to slap a number on something that might not need one.This one goes deep. Grab a coffee.What we get into:What spiritual fitness actually means — Libby breaks it down to four things: knowing what you believe, understanding that beliefs should evolve, being able to coexist with people who believe differently, and being able to recognize harmful or radicalizing ideologies when they show up.The Spiritual Fitness Survey — an 18-question tool with three subscales: horizontal (community and belonging), mixed (purpose and meaning), and vertical (relationship to the transcendent or divine). Moral injury versus PTSD, and why the difference matters for who you call. Libby's shorthand: shame points toward moral injury and the chaplain. Guilt and fear point toward PTSD and psych. Why the research on religion reducing PTSD risk might be missing a confounding variable — moral injury. If the thing that gives your life meaning is also the thing that got violated, you don't have a protective factor. You have an opening.The 724th Special Tactics case study — how Libby and former podcast guest Chris ran focus groups instead of surveys, built a communication tool instead of a formal metric, and ended up with leadership asking to do their own version because the unit couldn't stop talking about it. Capability-based blueprinting — what it is, why more of the military should use it.The interdisciplinary team problem — why nobody knows when to call the chaplain, why over-specialization and over-generalization are both failure modes, and what "informed consumer" training actually looks like in practice.The table theology tangent — why the ritual of eating together is a human performance intervention that no macro calculator captures.Mentioned in this episode:Dr. Harold Koenig, Duke University — geriatric psychiatrist and pioneer in spirituality, religion, and health researchDr. Warren Kinghorn, Duke — another key name at the intersection of mental health and spiritual healthCapability-Based Blueprinting — developed within CHAMP, Dr. Chamberlain's workMatt Larson — former podcast guest, moral injury talk from the H2F Symposium coming soon to the MOPs & MOEs InstagramCharles Vogel, The Art of Community — former podcast guest, Yale Divinity School; the ritual of meals chapter alone is worth the readAllen Frances, Saving Normal — Drew and Alex's white whale guest. Chaired the DSM-IV committee. By DSM-V, had renounced the whole enterprise. If you know him, please help.Rants and Rituals — Libby's upcoming podcast. No one take that name.Views expressed are those of the speakers and do not represent any official organization.

MOPs & MOEs is proudly sponsored by Teamworks — the performance operations platform trusted by elite military units and professional sports organizations worldwide. Teamworks brings your scheduling, communications, athlete monitoring, and readiness data into one unified system — so your leaders stay informed, your people stay connected, and your unit stays ready. No more scattered spreadsheets or missed messages. Just one platform built for organizations where performance is the mission. Learn more at teamworkstactical.comWe are also supported by TrainHeroic — the coaching and programming platform built for strength and conditioning coaches who train serious athletes. Whether you're programming for a military unit, a tactical team, or individual athletes, TrainHeroic gives you the tools to build and deliver professional training programs, track athlete progress, and communicate directly with your people — all through one app. Your athletes get world-class programming on their phone; you get the visibility to actually coach them. Start your free trial at trainheroic.comFit at 50 and Back in the Teams — Jamie Monroe ReturnsJamie Monroe commissioned as a Navy SEAL ensign at 50 years old. That sentence alone is worth an episode. But what Drew and Alex actually get into is bigger than the headline — it's about the lies we tell ourselves about aging, what it really takes to stay ready across decades, and why identity might be the most underrated performance variable in the building.Drew and Alex also open with results from a poll that surprised everyone — including them.What we get into:How a poll asking which soldier is more operationally effective — perfect fitness score with bad sleep and stress, or minimum passing score with great relationships and recovery — came back 90% in favor of option two. And what that says about what the military actually measures versus what it probably should.Jamie's road back in — the heart murmur that got him medically declined years ago, the DCO process, three interviews, a full MEPS physical, the SEAL Physical Screening Test, and finally commissioning in front of 70 friends and family at 50 years old.Why identity is the most underrated longevity tool — Jamie has never called himself old and broken, and he credits that framing as much as any training protocol for why he's still in the game.The simple running framework that actually works — two easy runs, one tempo, one long run, 15 to 20 miles a week. No pose method required. Just run.What fitness culture looks like inside the SEAL teams now versus two decades ago — less about getting jacked, more about the HYROX athlete profile. Strong runners who can also move weight. And pull-ups that actually count.A full breakdown of every major service fitness test — what Jamie likes, what he'd cut, and why the Marine Corps three-mile run might be the most honest single measure of fitness across any branch.The FAT — Drew and Alex's Fitness Aptitude Test — one rep max deadlift, AMRAP pull-ups, five-mile run. Jamie grades it live, makes some edits, and floats a Cooper Test–style 20-minute max distance format that might actually be the move.Old generation versus new generation — who's actually fitter? Jamie gives a straight answer.Mentioned in this episode:ReadyFit — Jamie's AI-powered military fitness testing app using computer vision to automatically score reps, currently in testing with units at Holloman AFBEasy Day Sports — Jamie's event production company, including a recent 5K for the Dallas Cowboys over Draft WeekendThe Red Bull Catcher Race — the only race where the finish line chases youDSI Human Performance & Biosystems Summit — DC, coming up soon. Alex will be there Thursday.Long and Strong — the Mops and Moes training program on TrainHeroic →Want to help get Bryson DeChambeau on the show? Jamie's working on it.Views expressed are those of the speakers and do not represent any official organization.

MOPs & MOEs is proudly sponsored by Teamworks — the performance operations platform trusted by elite military units and professional sports organizations worldwide. Teamworks brings your scheduling, communications, athlete monitoring, and readiness data into one unified system — so your leaders stay informed, your people stay connected, and your unit stays ready. No more scattered spreadsheets or missed messages. Just one platform built for organizations where performance is the mission. Learn more at https://teamworks.com/We are also supported by TrainHeroic — the coaching and programming platform built for strength and conditioning coaches who train serious athletes. Whether you're programming for a military unit, a tactical team, or individual athletes, TrainHeroic gives you the tools to build and deliver professional training programs, track athlete progress, and communicate directly with your people — all through one app. Your athletes get world-class programming on their phone; you get the visibility to actually coach them. Start your free trial at https://account.trainheroic.com/create-accountThe Father Figure vs. The Dad Bod — How Parenthood Changes Your Relationship With FitnessFor the first time ever, it's just Drew and John. No Alex, no guests — just two dads talking honestly about what happens to training when kids show up and life gets real.This isn't a "here's how to stay jacked after having kids" episode. It's more honest than that. It's about shifting your entire reason for training, giving yourself permission to let go of who you were in the gym before kids, and why the example you set matters more than any number on the bar.Drew is a single dad to a five-year-old girl. John has a three-year-old daughter and an eight-month-old son. Both of them have figured some of this out the hard way.What we get into:How both of their relationships with fitness completely changed after having kids — and why that's actually a good thing.Why Drew stopped caring about PRs and started doing yoga in the garage with his daughter.John's 12-and-a-half-year streak of daily pushups, the Hugh Jackman Wolverine program, and what 11 days of keto on coconut oil actually feels like.The girl dad angle — setting the standard for the type of person your daughter grows up to value, and why that starts now.Why being "there" after a brutal training session isn't the same as being present.Facing your own mortality when you become a parent — and why that's less dark than it sounds.The stroller as a training tool, hiking in dresses, and using your kid as a weight because she thinks it's hilarious.The Open by Andre Agassi, early sports specialization, and why making fitness fun early beats everything else.Mentioned in this episode:Mass Hysteria by Michael Blevins — All In Performance, required reading for girl dadsThe Open by Andre Agassi — John's current read, highly recommendedLong and Strong — the Mops and Moes training program on Train HeroicPhil Collins, Tarzan, Brother Bear, Robin Hood, The Wild Robot — Drew has opinionsWant a program that fits real life — not a perfect schedule that doesn't exist?The Mops and Moes bundle on Train Heroic is built for people with actual constraints. Flexible, auto-regulated, and designed to keep you moving no matter what the week throws at you. → Get access here!Views expressed are those of the speakers and do not represent any official organization.

MOPs & MOEs is proudly sponsored by Teamworks — the performance operations platform trusted by elite military units and professional sports organizations worldwide. Teamworks brings your scheduling, communications, athlete monitoring, and readiness data into one unified system — so your leaders stay informed, your people stay connected, and your unit stays ready. No more scattered spreadsheets or missed messages. Just one platform built for organizations where performance is the mission. Learn more at https://teamworks.com/We are also supported by TrainHeroic — the coaching and programming platform built for strength and conditioning coaches who train serious athletes. Whether you're programming for a military unit, a tactical team, or individual athletes, TrainHeroic gives you the tools to build and deliver professional training programs, track athlete progress, and communicate directly with your people — all through one app. Your athletes get world-class programming on their phone; you get the visibility to actually coach them. Start your free trial at https://account.trainheroic.com/create-accountMOPs & MOEs delivers our training through TrainHeroic and you can get your first 7 days of training with us FREE by clicking here.To continue the conversation, join our Discord! We have experts standing by to answer your questions.Cognitive Performance vs. Mental Skills Training — Are We Getting It Wrong?This week Alex and Drew sit down with Kat, a cognitive performance specialist, to ask a question that sounds simple but isn't: are we actually training cognition — or just calling things cognitive training?The answer, it turns out, is mostly the latter. We're buying expensive tech, running chess drills, and staring at doorknobs. And almost none of it transfers to performance when it actually counts.This one gets into near vs. far transfer, why brain training apps don't work the way we think they do, what orbital warfare has to do with any of this, and why expertise might be the best fatigue management tool we have.If you work in human performance, coach athletes, or just want to understand why the thing you're doing might not be doing what you think it's doing — this episode is for you.Mentioned in this episode:Chase & Simon (1973) — the foundational chess study on expert vs. novice memoryNASA Task Load Index (TLX) — search it, bookmark it, the website is genuinely excellentThe Tyranny of Metrics by Jerry Mueller — referenced again, still relevant, still not on the podcastThink and Fight Drills / Maneuver Chess — US Naval Institute Press, Marine Corps Times, War on the RocksCognitive Performance Training Level One — listed as a resource on the H2F mental domain page, worth reading criticallyNeuroTracker — they're welcome to come on and make their caseReady to train with a program that actually makes sense?The Mops and Moes bundle on Train Heroic — built around real principles, not gimmicks. Get access here!Views expressed are those of the speakers and do not represent any official organization.

MOPs & MOEs is proudly sponsored by Teamworks — the performance operations platform trusted by elite military units and professional sports organizations worldwide. Teamworks brings your scheduling, communications, athlete monitoring, and readiness data into one unified system — so your leaders stay informed, your people stay connected, and your unit stays ready. No more scattered spreadsheets or missed messages. Just one platform built for organizations where performance is the mission. Learn more at https://teamworks.com/We are also supported by TrainHeroic — the coaching and programming platform built for strength and conditioning coaches who train serious athletes. Whether you're programming for a military unit, a tactical team, or individual athletes, TrainHeroic gives you the tools to build and deliver professional training programs, track athlete progress, and communicate directly with your people — all through one app. Your athletes get world-class programming on their phone; you get the visibility to actually coach them. Start your free trial at https://account.trainheroic.com/create-accountMOPs & MOEs delivers our training through TrainHeroic and you can get your first 7 days of training with us FREE by clicking here.To continue the conversation, join our Discord! We have experts standing by to answer your questions.The New Army Combat Field Test — What It Is, What It Isn't, and What We Actually Think About ItThis week Drew and Alex break down the new Combat Field Test — the Army's second mandatory fitness assessment for combat arms soldiers that nobody asked for and everybody has opinions about.Spoiler: the bar might be set so low that it barely changes anything. But the conversation around why that keeps happening is worth having.What we get into:What the CFT actually is — seven events, one running clock, pass or fail. And why if you can run a 10-minute mile you're probably fine.Why the EIB standard is the same test, with body armor and a helmet, three minutes faster — and what that says about how easy the CFT bar actually is.The Pygmalion effect — every time the Army lowered the standard, it told the force exactly what it thought they were capable of.Why one soldier who enlisted in 2019 and served until 2023 only took one PT test in four years of infantry service. Because we kept changing things.The medic problem — combat is literally in their MOS name, and they're not on the list.Why 13 Bravo cannon crew members aren't considered combat arms but Army divers are, and what that says about how this list gets built.The case for publishing MOS-level fitness score averages so soldiers can see where they actually stand relative to their peers.Whether having the Pentagon direct fitness culture is a good thing — and why for some services it might be the only thing that's actually moved the needle.Mentioned in this episode:Secretary Hegseth's September 2025 memo — Military Fitness Standards for the Department of WarACRT — the earlier Army competitor to the ACFT that never made itDA Pam 611-21 — Military Occupational Classification and Structure, Alex knew the number off the top of his headAFT Insight — aftinsight.com, free AFT score interpreter and training programsBUSAR — their proposed fitness test that requires a picnic table and holds up surprisingly wellTyler Vargas Andrews — Whistling Death on Instagram, lost an arm and a leg at Abbey Gate and still goes harder than most people with all four limbsMelissa Stockwell — Paralympic triathlete, showed up to a climbing gym without a prosthetic and just climbed anywayThe Tyranny of Metrics by Jerry Mueller — referenced again, Jerry please come on the podcast

MOPs & MOEs is powered by TrainHeroic, the best coaching app on the planet. Click here to get 14 days FREE and a consult with the coaches at TrainHeroic to help you get your coaching business rolling on TrainHeroic. MOPs & MOEs delivers our training through TrainHeroic and you can get your first 7 days of training with us FREE by clicking here.To continue the conversation, join our Discord! We have experts standing by to answer your questions.Drew was recently to challenged to share how the process of creating this podcast has changed his coaching. We've learned a lot along the way, some which has reinforced what we already believed, but we've also changed our minds on plenty of things. On this week's episode we dive into what we've learned from all our guests and conversations. Just like our classic closing question, we frame it in terms of what we've changed our mind on and what we've doubled down on. Whether it's our own training, our approach to coaching others, or even how we view "experts," we take a look at how putting these conversations together have helped us understand this space a little better.Thanks to everyone who has joined us on this journey, especially those of you who have shared your thoughts, insights, recommendations, and more!

MOPs & MOEs is powered by TrainHeroic, the best coaching app on the planet. Click here to get 14 days FREE and a consult with the coaches at TrainHeroic to help you get your coaching business rolling on TrainHeroic. MOPs & MOEs delivers our training through TrainHeroic and you can get your first 7 days of training with us FREE by clicking here.To continue the conversation, join our Discord! We have experts standing by to answer your questions.On this episode we're diving into the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Inevitably that conversation involves a little bit of drone technology talk, but we focus mostly on the human demands of this kind of warfare. When every single piece of equipment, food, etc. has to travel the last several miles on foot, what does that require of the individual soldier? When there is near constant visual and thermal surveillance, how do operations have to adapt? We break down all that and more, with some time saved at the end to talk about the ACFT implementation, since our guest played a key role in that as well. Major General Kline graduated from Shippensburg University, Pennsylvania in 1992 and was commissioned as a Field Artillery officer where he served three years as a Fire Support Officer and later a MLRS platoon leader before transferring to the Aviation branch until his promotion to Major General.Major General Kline commanded tactical aviation units at the company, battalion, and brigade levels. His aviation command assignments include A Company, 5th Battalion, 158th Aviation Regiment in Germany; 5th Battalion, 101st Aviation Regiment (Task Force Eagle Assault) in Fort Campbell, Kentucky and the 3rd Combat Aviation Brigade located at Hunter Army Airfield in Savannah, Georgia. In combat, Major General Kline served as the Executive Officer for 5th Battalion, 101st Aviation Regiment in Tikrit, Iraq from 2005-2006; Deputy Brigade Commander for 101st Combat Aviation Brigade in Bagram, Afghanistan in 2008; Battalion Commander of 5th Battalion, 101st Aviation Regiment at FOB Wolverine near Qalat, Afghanistan from 2010-2011; and Commander of Task Force Forge in Helmand, Afghanistan from 2015-2016. Uniquely, he also represented the United States in direct communication with the Taliban Political Commission (TPC) in Doha, Qatar in 2021. Specific to this podcast, he was Alex's commander at CIMT as his final command, overseeing the implementation of the ACFT and H2F. After leaving command but before retiring, he was the Army lead for the Ukraine/Russia Lessons study focused on capturing the lessons from that conflict, which is what we'll be focusing most of today's conversation on.