Internet Cancels Toxic Husband For YEARS Until Realizing The Wife Is The Toxic One

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Internet Cancels Toxic Husband For YEARS Until Realizing The Wife Is The Toxic One"

Podcast: Moral Of The Story
Host: Stephanie Soo
Date: March 3, 2026
Episode Theme:
A deep dive into the saga of Chinese talk show host Joo Dan and her widely publicized marriage, which the internet misunderstood for years—believing her husband was toxic, only to discover later that Joo Dan herself might be the problem.

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Episode Overview

Stephanie Soo dives into the bizarre reality TV career and marriage of Joo Dan—a woman whose lack of self-awareness, old-fashioned values, and “unique” storytelling style led to the internet demonizing her husband for years. With humor and incredulity, Stephanie recaps the scandals, weird moments, and public backlash, ultimately unpacking how Joo Dan's actions (and her way of relating them) painted a false picture of her husband and fueled social media outrage.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introduction & Why Joo Dan Is Such a Lightning Rod (02:31–05:07)

• Stephanie frames the episode as a personal catharsis after a rough week, segueing from her own spiral and TikTok fodder to needing “to put Judan to rest.”
• Joo Dan is depicted as “certified crazy,” infamous for butchering celebrity names and unapologetic public blunders.

2. The Reality Show Minefield – “Mr. Housework” (05:10–10:17)

• Show premise: Celebrity husbands do housework, but only men’s chores are celebrated.

• Joo Dan appears as an observer/commentator, not as one of the filmed couples.

• She makes an out-of-touch comment:

  “I think a man's childlike innocence is very important. But some women, maybe because they're so stressed or overwhelmed, they forget to protect that innocence.” (07:06)

• Netizens and show panelists react with horror, questioning why it’s women’s job to preserve men’s innocence and highlighting her internalized sexism.

• Stephanie's take: “I'm his wife, not his mother. What's going on?” (09:00)

3. Other Variety Show Faux Pas and Cringe Bragging (10:20–19:34)

• **On a different show, Joo Dan asks her pregnant model friend how much weight she’s gained and uses it as a weird flex to brag about gaining 60 pounds herself, painting her husband as “the most caring” for letting her overeat.

• She brags about her husband’s vocal performance when counting down contractions during childbirth:**

  “The nurse said that we need to make a recording of his voice because...we never heard a countdown sound so good.” (14:36)

• Panelists (and Stephanie) are mystified why this is something to boast about when Joo Dan herself did all the work giving birth.

• The Wonton Soup Story:

  • Joo Dan tells how her husband (for the first time ever) cooked for her while she had morning sickness—only after pestering her with endless questions, which even a male celebrity guest calls out as “just low.” (18:43)
  • “You have a kid on the way. This is the bare minimum.” —Stephanie (18:43)

4. The “Ladder” Fight and Husband's Public Cancellation (21:31–28:58)

• Joo Dan reveals her husband’s approach to marital arguments:

  “I'm offering you a ladder to step down right now. If you don't take the step down, the ladder will be gone later.” (23:00)

• The panel (and netizens) interpret this as a threat—a manipulative, controlling tactic.
• Stephanie breaks down the metaphor's cultural context and why, even then, “nobody says it to the person...it’s weird to articulate it like that out loud.”
• The internet erupts, branding the husband as emotionally abusive and arrogant.

5. Joo Dan's Odd Public Defenses of Her Husband (28:58–31:02)

• Despite sparking the controversy, Joo Dan jumps in to defend her husband online, often making it worse:

  “No, I'm bored in the car right now.” (29:08, when called out for arguing online)

• She posts on Weibo to explain her marriage, inadvertently fueling more concern.

6. The Infamous Paparazzi “Spit Boba” Incident (32:30–39:24)

• Paparazzi catch her husband drinking from the same boba cup as a female assistant; netizens are scandalized.
• Joo Dan’s defense:

  “I’ve always been grateful for the way she takes care of my husband…It was only because the assistant kept insisting that the milk tea was good that he tried it. And the whole spit pearls incident happened.” (37:34)

• Stephanie and her co-host riff on how gross and intimate sharing a boba cup or chapstick feels, and why the explanation only makes her husband look worse.

7. Reality Show “Redemption Arc”: The Truth Comes Out (41:15–45:00)

• On "Viva la Romance," viewers finally see Joo Dan and her husband interact directly.
• It’s revealed that she regularly gives her family the silent treatment for days or weeks, and the infamous “ladder” comment was a (clumsy) attempt by her husband to get her to stop.
• Her husband, stressed and avoidant, explains:

  “That incident when you talked about it, it got me bullied for years.” (41:42)

• The internet recognizes they misjudged him—“for years, we have been bullying her husband over a misunderstanding.” (43:06)
• His three life highlights:

  “...and then in 2023 when I cleared my name on Viva la romance.” (45:00)

8. Re-examining Judan’s Behavior: More Red Flags and Bizarre Storytelling (46:43–54:54)

• In the kitchen, it’s Joo Dan calling all the shots and her husband doing the grunt work, contradicting the “oppressed wife” narrative.
• She turns minor events into melodrama—her “running away from home” during fights turns out to be standing by the mailbox for a few minutes.
• Stephanie observes:

  “Have you ever had a conversation with someone...and they interpret it completely differently?...like, are we sure we're in the same conversation right now?” (52:50)

9. Social Media Spiral and Netizen Analysis (54:09–61:41)

• Netizens note Joo Dan’s distorted interpretations escalate minor things, spinning narratives that make her husband look worse.
• Her bizarre TV/livestream moments (e.g. telling her husband to make cup noodles, overreacting to minor incidents) reinforce her as the chaotic one.
• “Who was the husband’s biggest hater? The answer: Joo Dan.” (48:54)
• Stephanie proposes that in the Western world, people would dislike Joo Dan more, but in China, reactions are mixed—she’s almost a relic of outdated gender norms.

10. Closing Reflections (61:41–62:19)

• Joo Dan’s old-school sexism, lack of self-awareness, and habit of oversharing have done real harm, especially to her daughter.
• Her husband, despite being scapegoated, helped her repay massive debts and seems infinitely patient.
• “I feel bad for her daughter, everyone she traumatized that watches her reality shows. But more importantly, also obviously her family.” (62:00)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Stephanie on Joo Dan's commentary on “Mr. Housework”:

  “We need to protect men. Like, from what?” (09:00)

• On the “ladder” comment:

  “If someone says that to you, it’s scary...I think this is abusive.” (24:26–24:54)

• When the truth comes out:

  “For years, we have been bullying her husband over a misunderstanding.” (43:06)

• Husband on finally being vindicated:

  “...and then in 2023 when I cleared my name on Viva la romance.” (45:00)

• Stephanie on Joo Dan’s storytelling:

  “She has a very unique way of defending people or complimenting people. I don’t know what’s going on.” (39:24)
  “Have you ever had a conversation with someone and you’re like, are we sure that we’re in the same conversation right now?” (52:50)

• Co-host on her live translation skills:

  “Don’t let her go to the UN. Like, don’t let her go anywhere.” (54:45)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:31–05:07: Setting up who Joo Dan is and why people care
• 05:10–10:17: “Mr. Housework” and sexist, tone-deaf social commentary
• 10:20–19:34: Wild reality show moments, pregnancy weight bragging, and “first meal” stories
• 21:31–28:58: The “ladder” fight and how the husband was canceled
• 32:30–39:24: Paparazzi “spit boba” incident and deeper relationship doubts
• 41:15–45:00: “Viva la Romance” and redemption for the husband
• 46:43–54:54: Real-life dynamic upends internet perceptions
• 54:09–61:41: Social media misinterpretations, Joo Dan as unreliable narrator
• 61:41–62:19: Closing reflections on harm caused

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Final Thoughts

This episode illustrates the dangers of unreliable narrators and the internet’s tendency to jump to conclusions. Joo Dan's outlandish behavior and storytelling not only made her husband a pariah but showcased how public perception can be warped. Stephanie Soo delivers the retelling with humor, exasperation, and insight, underscoring that sometimes, “the moral of the story is—well, there is none.”

Transcript

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Kind of having a crash out week. I don't really know how to explain it. Everything is making me spiral this week. Clearly there's serious stuff that makes me spiral. And that stuff has been consistently getting worser and worser. Look online, you know what's going on in the world. But then on top of that, I'm like in the depths of my spiral and I get hit with a full face rash. I'm having an extreme allergic reaction all across my face. My face is flaking off like my scalp in the depths of December where it's just dandruff town. But now it's on my face and it's an allergic reaction. If you put my face in front of a bowl, I could probably make you the world's most unsanitary bowl of cereal. And then, and then I get this full face allergic reaction. I'm feeling a little insecure about myself. Tell me why I got on TikTok. I happened upon a video that I should not be in this conversation. If there is a conversation on TikTok about me, I shouldn't be in the room. And then, you know, it was a really nice video. But the top search that I got was like, why didn't Stephanie sue get any work done? It wasn't, did Stephanie sue get work done? Because then it's like, oh, we don't know.

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[Host 2]

She looks like she might have gotten work done. It was, why did she choose not to? Like, what was the reasoning behind the decision? Because I disagree with the decision and Then I sent it to my husband. I was having a spiraling moment. I call my sister because I'm like, you know what, sister? Show me your crotch goblins. Sometimes they make me feel better. Let me see their cute little faces. The younger one gets on FaceTime and goes, Momo, you look funny. And I said, b. And then. And then I was thinking about it and I was like, you know what it is? It's because I haven't put Judan to rest. I haven't put this story of Judan to rest. I need to tell you about the rest of Judan so that I can move on with my life and I can start a new, different kind of spiral. Hopefully this one spirals upwards, but I don't know. I don't know. There's like another blizzard coming. I don't know. Okay, I'm just. I'm going through it. So we're talking about Judan. This is part two done. If you guys didn't watch part one, I don't know what to tell you other than the fact that this woman is just like certified crazy. She's a talk show host who does not have face blindness, but she can't get a single f cking celebrity's name right. And she is not even sorry about it. She does it time and time and time again.

[Host 1]

Sorry about it.

[Host 2]

Yeah, she's sorry. Sorry, but she's. She's like not heartfelt about it. And she makes this her whole personality. You can't say the word sorry around her because you gotta just watch part one. And then she goes on another reality show where she decides that she's just gonna be incredibly sexist. She's gonna favor boys. She has a daughter and a son. She's obsessed with her son, her daughter. She's like laughing and she's like, guess what? One time my daughter came up to you and was like, you really need to teach my brother some manners because he keeps pulling out my hair when I don't listen to him. And then she's like, I thought that was funny. People are like, we want to punch you in the face. There's like a whole chicken leg, chicken drumstick drama. There's so much drama. This is the most, least self unaware.

[Host 1]

The most.

[Host 2]

I'm about to call it a day. The most, most, least self unaware aware. He's like, I gotta lock in right now. So this is part two where we go into new drama. Because Joo Dan. Someone married Joo Dan. I don't know how, but it happened. It happened. And we're about to talk about him because he was one of the most bullied celebrities for a little bit. Because of Joo Dan, There is this TV show called Mr. Housework.

[Host 1]

Housework?

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Like doing housework?

[Host 2]

Yes. So it's celebrity husbands at home doing housework. And I was like, yeah, that's where you belong. No, I don't know why we had to make a whole show about it. I do housework all the time. Do I get a show? You know what I mean? It was weird. Like, girls do housework all the time. We don't get a show about it. But guys, they're doing housework, and these two house husbands celebrities are at home making Chinese pancakes, and they're fooling around with the dough. They're flipping it, tossing it. They're doing little tricks. They're having a good time. This whole show is based off of family observation. It's Family Family Aquarium. It's a variety program that follows three celebrity families to see how they live. And then there's like a whole panel of other celebrities and reacting to other celebrities. Yes. About how they live. And, like, there's supposed to be a focus on the men taking more of the household chores in each family. So they're, like, trying to do more. So Judan and her husband are not one of the featured couples. So instead, Judan is part of the observing panel. So she's sitting there and, like, making commentary about these different families.

[Host 1]

And so the husband is not even at the crime scene.

[Host 2]

No, he's not at the scene of the crime, but he's about to be the perpetrator. He's about to become the world's biggest perpetrator. So she's watching the couple's daily lives, and she is giving very intense commentary on their behaviors. And she's watching these two men flip the pancakes, messing around. And she suddenly to say, actually this made me think of something. She says, when some men play like this at home, their wives might get upset. That's the reality in many families. You know, childlike innocence. I think a man's childlike innocence is very important. But some women, maybe because they're so stressed or overwhelmed, they forget to protect that innocence. And when that happens, men stop wanting to show that cute, playful side to them. I want to throw up. This is.

[Host 1]

This is Joo Dan saying.

[Host 2]

Right, this is Joo Dan. And literally, I'm not the only one with this entire reaction, because everyone on the panel has a moment where they go, what the f are you saying right now? She's making this comment while she's watching the husband and the wife, like, they're all like, living their lives and the husbands are like, doing all these cute little things. I have so much to say. I have so much to say and I'm not even gonna say it.

[Host 1]

Remember, this reminds me of there's one TikTok that we watch.

[Host 2]

Oh, yeah. Where the guy is like, in the beginning of the relationship and the guy's like. And then like, the girl is like, oh, what's wrong with you? Okay, see, my problem is not that I think goofiness in a relationship should be preserved. Some f cking idiots do it at the wrong time. Don't be doing it. When your partners are overwhelmed, they're stressed out about life, they've got a lot on their plate, There's a lot going on. And then some dude's gonna come in and try to haha flip a Chinese pancake. That would drive anybody insane who's doing that. And so everybody's looking at judahn like, what are you talking about?

[Host 1]

So they were playing around, which is very innocent. But drudan brought it to the level of, oh, some men just need to be protected with their innocence and playfulness.

[Host 2]

Right.

[Host 1]

So she elevated to that level.

[Host 2]

Yes. Which I actually think it's like the opposite because, like, I see a lot of people be like, oh, when a girl is acting very immature around their boyfriend, usually it means like, they feel very comfortable.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Because I feel like guys always are goofy. And also, what's crazy is the wife didn't even say anything. The wife is also on the side like, ha. So then she. She pauses it and she turns to the wife because now she's like on the observer panel and like, I guess they're having conversation and she's like, at that moment, did you feel even a little bit like they were playing and he wasn't being serious? And the wife is like, no, I thought it was really fun. Like, I don't want to be a buzzkill or anything.

[Host 1]

She's trying to star something, but there's nothing.

[Host 2]

There's nothing. The wife is like, I don't know why this is a whole big deal. Like, I thought it was kind of cute. I thought it was funny. And then she's like, we need to protect men. Like, from what? And then in the clip that they're watching, like, again, you can clearly tell the wife is not upset. She even goes, hey, look, she's talking to their daughter. She's like, look, daddy's about to flip the pancakes. So, like, what are you saying? Netizens are commenting. Like, I thought she was going to say that women, because of their stress, forget they also have childlike innocence. But instead she says, we need to protect men's childlike innocence. Another comment is, are we women just criminals? Why do we deserve all the punishment? What's going on? Another one is like, women need to protect men's childlike innocence because who's stressed out? Because we're stressed out. So we have to protect their innocent. I'm his wife, not his mother. What's going on? Okay, this variety show actually aired back in 2020. So this was before the previous variety show that I'm talking about. At the time, she did not face backlash because nobody cared about Judan.

[Host 1]

Oh, people dug this back out. People dug this back out.

[Host 2]

People are like, what else? What other crazy things has she said? They start digging into it. Okay, Just so that we can go through all of Judan's history. There's another clip where she's on another reality show. I don't know why she's on so many variety shows. And Jidan is sitting next to her friend who happens to be pregnant. And her friend's name is Li AI. She's a model who is pregnant. She's about to give birth. And Judan, out of nowhere, while everybody's sitting at the table, suddenly asks her model friend, so, how much weight have you gained? Which is like a crazy question to ask anybody, anyone, period. Definitely to ask a pregnant woman, unless you're their doctor. So the model friend, she answers honestly, and she says, oh, I think I'm like, up 26 pounds. And the moment that she said that, Joo Dan gets excited. She said, see, I can tell that your husband doesn't treat you well. Look at how good my husband was to me when I was pregnant. I gained 60 pounds, bruh. All I can think is, I don't think your husband is taking good care of you. This is like the most petty, jealous thing I've ever heard anybody say. It's very clear that Judan is envious that her friend hadn't gained much weight. And she's trying to make it seem like a negative thing. And Juden doesn't even stop there. She proceeds to brag about how well her husband treated her when she was pregnant and why she was gaining so much weight. She says, when I was at your stage of the pregnancy, my legs were like this big. When you press down on it, there's like a huge dip because I was gaining so much weight. The model friend is getting very uncomfortable, especially if to factor in, like, anyone in the entertainment industry, I would say a lot of them probably have some sort of complicated relationship with weight or just anyone in general, but especially in the entertainment industry. And this is like a model. I would just like, that's crazy. That's a crazy way to come into this conversation. But she. She keeps going. She's like, oh, yeah, like, look at you. You're barely eating and your husband's doing nothing. And she's just, like, nodding and ig then, because what is she supposed to say? And when netizens hear this, they're not calm. They start freaking out online. Why does it have to be the husband? Why is the husband feeding you? Are you a fucking pig at this point? Are you cattle? Are you, like, a dairy cow? Why does your husband have to feed you when you're pregnant? And then people are saying, this is not even a matter of emotional intelligence anymore. Another person is like, I can immediately tell that your husband isn't treating you well. I feel like this is something to say to a pregnant woman who already has very increased hormones. Hormones to stir up marital problems. Like, what's wrong with this lady? Others are saying 26 pounds is healthy. 60 pounds is healthy. Just because you gain more weight doesn't mean you're healthier in your pregnancy. Like, people were just saying, none of this is making any sense. And the worst part is the model friend's husband is sitting right next to her, and people are. People are photoshopping his face, and it's just like getting shot at for no reason. And people keep calling Joo Dan a lemon because she's just sour. She keeps making lemon statements. She's just acting like a lemon head. She also starts bragging about her husband. So not only is she bragging about the fact that she gained 60 pounds and her friend is not gaining as much weight, and then she starts bragging about how when she was giving birth, her husband was gonna count down to her birth. Like, counting her pushes. I don't know if it's like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, or 10, 9, 8, 7. I don't know. Like, what's the countdown? I don't know at what point the baby's supposed to pop out, but she's excited because he went to Beijing Film Academy. He's classically trained in the performing arts, so he's got a strong, commanding voice and he knows how to use it. And Zhu Dan starts bragging about how when she was pushing in labor, her husband starts counting, and he's commanding the whole room. It was so impressive that the nurses in the room wanted to record him. She says, in the hospital, you can only hear his voice and mine. And the nurse said that we need to make a recording of his voice because. Because we never heard a countdown sound so good.

[Host 1]

What does that mean?

[Host 2]

Nobody knows what this brag even is. Yeah, I don't understand what this brag was supposed to be. And I thought maybe it's like a Chinese thing that I'm not getting, Right? Tiffany was like, I don't know what this lady's talking about. I don't understand.

[Host 1]

Maybe, like, he's doing, like, those march counts. Like, 1, 2, 3, 4. 1, 2, 3. Is that it?

[Host 2]

Probably. However. However, the part is she's bragging. And, like, who brags about that?

[Host 1]

Yeah. What did he do?

[Host 2]

Like, if I have created a human being and I'm giving life out of my vaginal canal, my legs are spread open. I want some. I want a halo above my head. I want my husband next. I want you fanning me. Honey, I'm not gonna sit there and compliment how well you were counting. Great. You know, numbers. I just created a human being. Like, that's so weird. Any other time. Fine. That's great. You're getting your delivery food, and he's counting down. You're going up in the elevator to your little penthouse suite. You done? And he's counting up. Okay, fine. You can brag about that when you're giving birth. That is so weird. Why are you bragging about your husband? You're the one that gave birth. It's so bizarre. People are so confused in the comments. Like, I didn't even know this was something to brag about. Like, I don't even know this is something you get complimented about. Some people are just saying, Ji Dan's words make zero sense. I don't know what I'm listening to. It doesn't make sense. And she treats her husband like he is some kind of treasure. She's that friend who cannot stop talking about her husband, going on and on, telling everyone how much he loves her. Right. But then you listen to her actual stories, and you're like, what? I don't think you guys have a healthy relationship. And all of that bragging just backfires. Okay, so there's another season of Mr. Housework. Judan is on the panel again, and she's one of the observers. And out of the three couples that they're observing, one of them is pregnant. And during the show, they're talking about morning sickness, cravings, everything related. You Know to pregnancy. And Judan is like, there was one time when I was so sick I was puking non stop. And this is, you know, when I was pregnant. But at the same time, I was really hungry. So I told my husband, hubby, I want to have some soup wontons. He was just going in and out of the kitchen non stop, asking me about every single step. At the time, I felt so bad, you know? But I even took a picture that. That was the first time my husband made me a meal. I went to the kitchen to take a picture of him cooking the wontons. She probably assumed this was a super romantic story, but even the male celebrity next to her just, hey, did you catch the part in the story?

[Host 1]

This is the first time.

[Host 2]

No, first time. But also, he keeps coming. Imagine, okay? When I'm about to throw up, I can only. These are the words I say because I throw up a lot because I have a pork allergy. And something in me is like, I know I have a pork allergy, but I just f cking love eating pork sometimes, okay? Sometimes I gotta hit it with a possum. Sometimes I have to eat samyeopsal. And so I'll eat it. And then, oh, black bean noodles, you know, that's all pork. So then I'm like, let's throw up. That's it. That's all I say. He knows the drill. He gets my meds ready. He helps me with a glass of water. I can barely say the words, but to throw up. Because I'm about to throw up. But imagine your husband opening the door, honey. Which wontons? Closes the door, opens the door, honey. I can't find them in the freezer, honey. Which pot do I. Can you imagine? Can you imagine? So even the male celebrity next to her is like, I don't think you know what you're saying. I think he probably thought she's about to go on a rant right now about her husband. But she's looking around like, I bet you bitches are jealous, okay? And the male celebrity next to her goes, this is just low.

[Host 1]

This is just low.

[Host 2]

Yeah, low, okay? His comment is 100% spot on. Because you're married, you have a kid on the way. This is the bare minimum. How is this the first time you've cooked your wife something? And you keep coming in to ask her how to cook wontons? Not even beef Wellington. It's wontons. You just boil them until they float. Which he taught me that. I'm like, how do you know when they're done. He doesn't stop. He tells her, I don't think you've seen a lot in this world. And so Judah tries to bring it back to how great her husband is. And she says, but so many women, you know, husbands don't take care of them during pregnancy. You can't even be sure if these men are capable of caring for their families at all. What. What are you saying right now? At one point, the male celebrity just leans back on the couch and he looks exhausted.

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[Host 2]

and then this is the worst part. People are already mad about this. But Judan starts sharing how her and her husband resolve fights in the relationship. So all the other celebrities are sharing very normal stuff. Like, oh, when we fight, we make sure it doesn't go overnight. Like, we never go to sleep angry. Judan steps in, and she's like, let me tell you something. Let me share with you Mr. Zhao's, you know, standards and fighting. So she's basically trying to brag about how good her husband is at dealing with their fights or how he consoles her. Like, that's what people are expecting. This woman says, you know, we fought before, but we've only, like, really fought twice. But he uses very good sentences to deal with me. And in this lifetime, I never dare to fight him again. Okay, so everyone's like, wait, I just feel like that's not, like, the way to live a relationship. What do you mean you don't dare to fight him again? Like, what did he say to you? That sounds like a threat. And she's like, whenever I get mad, I don't like to talk because I think fighting is uncultured. So I just choose not to talk. AKA she just gives the silent treatment, which is worse. It's exponentially worse. Okay, so Mr. Zhao just leaves me alone for two hours, and then after two hours, he will come and talk to me like nothing happened, hug me, and so on and so forth, you know? But because I'm still mad, the silent treatment will still go on. So she's like, I'm still not talking. Then Mr. Zhao said to me, I'm offering you a ladder to step down right now. If you don't take the step down, the ladder will be gone later. Immediately, it was like a shiver went down my spine. And she said it, you know, and she's like, this is profound. Like, that's the way she's saying it. Okay, Just to give you context in Mandarin, saying things like giving you stairs to come down or, like, giving you a ladder to climb down is saying, like, I'm gonna say save your face right now. I'm giving you an opportunity to back down from your anger gracefully. But, like, nobody says it. Nobody says it to the person that they're saying it to. So it's like, you know, like, okay, sometimes imagine. Imagine I'm, like, spiraling, and then I decide I'm a little annoyed, and then maybe I should not have taken it out of my husband. But I do. And my husband is so kind. So he likes. Makes he Apologizes, and then he makes a little joke. That's like a ladder. Like, okay, like, I probably shouldn't. That was dumb. You know, like, you know, you have a dumb fight, and then you're like, okay, that wasn't that serious. And then you, like, make a joke, and then the other person's supposed to come down because it's like, we both know that that was stupid. But then it would be weird to suddenly turn around and be like, hey, so about that. That was stupid. So it's like, you're giving them an opportunity to make it not awkward so that we can proceed with life. But you never go to someone's face and say, hey, so I'm gonna give you a ladder, and you're gonna step down. If not, I'm gonna rip the ladder from its fucking bolts and you'll never get another ladder again. Like, that's crazy.

[Host 1]

It is very, like, threatening.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

If someone say that to me, he's not stepping down. Like, it only will make the. More like, what are you talking about?

[Host 2]

He's like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna hang from the tree on my arms. It's like, crazy. If someone says that to you, it's scary. And so the other two. Two celebrities are lost for words. They're like, I think this is abusive. Like, I don't know for sure, but it doesn't feel right.

[Host 1]

Yeah, that sounds bad.

[Host 2]

Yeah. So no one.

[Host 1]

Is that what the husband got canceled for?

[Host 2]

Yes.

[Host 1]

Yeah, that sounds really bad.

[Host 2]

I mean, she is giving the silent treatment, which is bad, but her husband is basically threatening her. Like, this is bad. Bad. And so everyone's looking at her like, this actually worked. Because, like, you said, no one would actually use this. Like, they'd be like, oh, really? Even the other, like, women on the panel were saying, I would actually be more triggered. Like, that's some sh.

[Host 1]

T. Where that's fighting words.

[Host 2]

Yeah, like, we're about to. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Like, that. That's the response that normal people would have. And she was like, of course it did. She's basically saying, like, it was so profound to me because if he didn't give me the opportunity, how would I have stepped down safely? Like, basically like, this is. He did this for me.

[Host 1]

Wait, is she dead?

[Host 2]

Ass. Yeah. And all. Like, another woman on the panel is like, I would look at my husband and go, oh, yeah, a ladder. So what? Another. Another guy on the panel is like, I tell him he can wait forever at the bottom of the ladder because I'm not coming down anymore. Now what are you going to do about that? Like, these are normal reactions. Because it's like, who do you think you are giving me a ladder? I will come down from my anger when I feel like it's. It just feels like she worships her husband and he's using it against her because all she does is pander to men. And so people online, they hate Judan, but they also think that her husband is abusive and they cancel him. They rip him to shreds. And because he's like a more quiet person, he doesn't really show a lot of his personal life and he doesn't do a lot of variety shows. People start coming up with a whole backstory for him. They're like, he is so pretentious because he went to the Beijing Film Academy and he likes. He doesn't love his wife, Zhudan. Zhudan keeps acting like she's being loved. He thinks he's better than everyone. He's got a huge ego. Another person is like, he is an arrogant, self important man. Even if they're talented, when character doesn't match their status, it's only a matter of time before they crash and burn. But even after this, even after this, it's like those tiktoks where a family will film themselves and the husband is doing some atrocious sh t and then the wife will be on TikTok the next time. And being like, no, he loves me. And I'm like, judg comes on Weibo and she's like, no, my husband loves me. You guys don't get it, okay? Only him and I know what goes on in our relationship, okay? And you don't know how much he loves me, so you stay out of my relationship. And it's like we wanted to. We wanted to stay out of your relationship. You know, some people were even commenting, Joo Dan, here's the thing. A relationship is like drinking water, only you should know if it's hot or cold. Don't tell us. We don't need to know what I don't know. Chinese netizens are creative. Okay, that's kind of good because I guess I wouldn't announce to someone what my water temperature was. But you then supports her husband. And on Weibo she says, whether Mr. Zhao's words make sense or not to you. If in daily life we could all give each other a little more room to step down, if we could just take the step down whenever it's there, wouldn't there be so much less arguing, so much less anger? I've always been grateful to Mr. Dow, okay? He taught me how to manage my emotions, helped me reduce so much friction in our life together. I really like the show, Mr. Housework, and I'll continue sharing my life and my marriage on this show. Of all of us, guests said that everyone has their own way of living. There's no right or wrong. We respect that and we discuss freely. Thank you to everyone who pays attention to the show and to us. Whatever method helps two people get along, that's the right method. Next episode, it will be even better. And then you then just starts full on arguing with netizens online after that post because people are leaving hate comments and she's saying things like, okay, someone comments, as long as it works for you, Birds of a feather flock together, there's nothing much to say. Juden responds, I hope this doesn't have to work for you.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Huh?

[Host 2]

Someone comments, I think you could be more confident in your marriage and make your husband care more about you. Judean responds, I'm still not confident. Oh my God. Oh my God.

[Ryan Reynolds]

What is that?

[Host 2]

Netizens even told her to stop because at this point it's just making her look bad. Like it's just now you're fighting netizens. And then she responds, no, I'm bored in the car right now. So people are like, is there something wrong with Judah? Every time something negative comes up about her husband, it's her saying it. She's his biggest up. And then after he gets dragged, she jumps in, tries to clear his name, and then starts getting mad at us when she's the one that made us mad at her husband. Is she messed up or what? This show aired back in 2019, and for years after that, Jidan's husband was widely criticized online. He was labeled a manipulator, he was labeled a terrible husband. You name it. It also didn't help that netizens dug up an interview that the husband did and he seemed to be disrespecting Joo Dan and she was still defending him. The interview is pretty bad. At one point the husband said, I don't really know how to put her acting, in my eyes, doesn't really count as acting. So, like, Judan doesn't really act. She's host and then she does the variety shows. She doesn't really act. And when she does, it's not like any serious projects, I guess. But even the interviewer is like, oh, that's not really a nice thing to say. And he's like, hurtful. Yeah, maybe it's a little hurtful. But I guess it's the truth. Like it's pretty messed up. Okay, I would say, like that's a fight. We're getting in the car and we're fighting on the way home. Like that's. Why would you say that? But the interviewer later tells Joo Dan about this and is like, it's okay. I can also diss him. Like it's very weird. And the interviewer is like, okay, then diss your husband. And she says, I'm going to expose him now. When he goes outside, he pretends to to be so intellectual and knowledgeable, but in reality he's obsessed with me. He's a wife lover. I put him in his place when he comes home.

[Host 1]

That's weird. You're doing too much now.

[Host 2]

And the interviewer is like, I think it's so funny because all the netizens are worried about the two of you. She says, exactly. So many people feel bad for me thinking he's mean to me. And of course, you know, he does things differently from everybody else. You won't find a single trait of me on his waybo. He never posts about me. He never mentions me publicly. I get why people assume the things that they do. I couldn't wrap my head around it at first, but honestly, I get it. But we're doing well. It's like, you know, this is my treasure. And he. That's how he sees me, as his treasure. And he doesn't want to expose my his treasure to the whole world. I'm just genuinely happy. You know, we kind of just want to shut the door and save our happiness privately. So I get it. Back in the day, I probably would have blown up about something like this. But he's just such a steady figure in my life. He's emotional and fiery and he's turned me into a better wife. I sound my ups and downs sometimes though, you know? But I'll just text him things like papa instead of husband. Like I guess she calls him Baba. Dad.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Daddy.

[Host 2]

Why are you shocked? You put your name as husband Daddy on my phone. Out of any. Anyone who should be shocked, it's not you, okay? He said daddy. Despicable. How dare. Disgusting. And so then he'll say things like, baba's here.

[Host 1]

It's getting weird.

[Host 2]

I don't know why we know this. I don't know why this is. What? I don't know where this is.

[Host 1]

Do we like this or no?

[Host 2]

Oh, but there is this crazy part where her husband was caught. Okay, tell me if you think this is weird. Her husband was caught by paparazzi drinking from the same boba cup as a female employee.

[Host 1]

Yeah, I mean, that's weird. I said that's a lot like sucking on the same straw.

[Host 2]

There's like these clips where the female's assistant is holding a boba cup and then she passes it to him. He takes it and then tries it and then gives it back to her. Now he claims they come out with their own side of the story and they're like, no, it's cuz he doesn't like the boba tea. And the assistant keeps me like, no, it's so good. You just have to try it. Like, it's literally the best boba tea ever. Like, you just have to try it. Like, please, you just have to try it, right? And then gives it to him, he tries it and decides he still doesn't like it. However. However disgusting, however, I think that's gross. I would start a fight.

[Host 1]

I would side eye for sure.

[Host 2]

Yeah. Kind of weird.

[Host 1]

Kind of weird here. Something's weird, but, you know, maybe it's innocent. I don't know.

[Host 2]

How could it be innocent though?

[Host 1]

I mean, there are some weird people out there, you know?

[Host 2]

Okay, what's worse? What's worse, right? What if. What if it's like you're with a female assistant?

[Host 1]

Dude, this is a trick question. Let's get back to the story, shall we?

[Host 2]

You are with a female assistant and she's like, you have to try my boba tea. And she hands you the boba cup. I'm gonna be like, ew, I'm with a male assistant. Okay. I just try to see which one you think is worse, right? Would you rather situation A? He hands me his boba cup and is like, try it, try it, try it. I swear. Holy sh. T. It's so good. I don't know what guys tell me. And then I try it and then I give it back. Is that worse or, or, or it's worse.

[Host 1]

You give it to him. Yes, it's worse.

[Host 2]

No, no. Oh, God. I would never, you know, I would never. Even with my family members, I'm like, oh, you want to try my drink? Hold up. I run to the kitchen, I get three cups. I come back. I don't like sharing drinks. Or I'm like, oh, my gosh, my lips are so chapped.

[Host 1]

My lips are so chapped.

[Host 2]

And he gives me his chapstick and I use it. Oh, which one is worse? Which one is the worst? Which one would you be more upset about? Why?

[Host 1]

This is okay. I feel like chapstick is more of a necessity for you, but for some reason, it just feels more intimate. I don't know why it feels more intimate to.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Host 1]

I guess it also depends on chapter. Some chaps that you can just squeeze it and then apply. Are you talking about the lipple cream

[Host 2]

that I used on my lips?

[Host 1]

That's less weird.

[Host 2]

No, but imagine it's like a stick, right?

[Host 1]

I feel like I might be bothered by that more.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Maybe.

[Host 2]

I don't know.

[Host 1]

I don't want to think about it. Let's continue.

[Host 2]

A relationship is like drinking water, only you should know if it's hot or cold. Don't tell us. We don't need to know. Yeah, I'd be really pissed off if. About the chapstick. If you got chapstick from someone. However, the drink thing. Oh, oh. I have a friend who's single and she's been out there dating, and she says, you know, guys are all the same, you know? I said, how so? And she says, let me tell you about all these guys. And she's like, you know, sometimes they're different. Some of them will take you out to eat this cuisine. This cuisine. Some of them are more talkative, some of them are less talkative. But there's one thing that all guys do after the dinner. They want to go to a bar. You go to the bar. She's like, I don't really drink, but whatever. I order a drink, he orders a drink, and every single guy, they're like, try my drink. Just try it. They just want to see your lips on their drink or something. And then she's like, I don't know why. Every single guy is like, no, you have to try it. It's so good. You gotta try my drink.

[Host 1]

Every guy thinks they're slick and they're all the same. They're all doing the same exact thing.

[Host 2]

I'm so good, I know something that she doesn't know. And she's like, again, this is my 10th time trying this lychee martini. Okay. Anyway, netizens are commenting, like, does the female assistant not understand that he has a family? Like, what? Does the man not understand that he has a wife and kids? What kind of behavior is this from both of them? Everyone is like, to be honest, I don't even drink from the same cup in a relationship, especially. Especially boba. Yeah, the boba goes back down. Up and down, up and down. Have you ever had that one boba ball that's just up and down, up and down. It's like, you know, It's a little weird. It's intimate. And then Judan comes onto Weibo to defend her husband, and she's like, again, my relationship is everybody's spectacle. My husband. And then this is where it gets weird. It's like she's her husband's biggest. Because, I mean, she could just say, like, hey, you guys have it wrong. Like, that's. That's an assistant that we've worked with for so long. Like, she's married, blah, blah, blah. Oh, I want to talk about the.

[Host 1]

What?

[Host 2]

The Property brothers was having an affair with this. That was crazy. Anyway, I don't know why I just thought of that, but she's like, you know, she could have just been like, you know, we've worked with this assistant for so long. Like, we're all very comfortable. She just wanted him to try the boba drink. I don't know. She could have said 110 different things. But instead, instead she comes out with this one. She said, I know my husband doesn't like to post me on Weibo, and I knew that from the very beginning of our relationship. And it's just like, how he does things, how he handles things. And I accept that and I respect that. So why do you have the right to gossip? She's like a little sister to us, okay? And I've always been very grateful for the way that she takes care of my husband. My husband has his own print principles when it comes to food in daily life, we always have fun trying to break his little rules. And it was only because the assistant kept insisting that the milk tea was good that he tried it. And the whole spit pearls incident happened. Everybody dubbed it spit Boba because they're like, why would you want spit boba unless you're having an affair with that person?

[Host 1]

Spit boba.

[Host 2]

Yeah, because it's like, all that spit. And then there's bobas. They were like, you're not sharing spit Boba.

[Host 1]

Oh, my God, so much worse. Now.

[Host 2]

Unless you're doing things okay? And then she's like, if even something this simple is blown out of proportion and labeled as cheating, then please go take care of your own husbands and don't even let them walk near another woman. My husband has many strengths, and he also has many flaws. That's not for you to judge. But calling him a jerk or a cheater by name is unexpected acceptable. That's not just malicious. It also enables the truly despicable cheaters out there. After reading this, netizens are like, is she trying to help her husband or Hurt her husband. I don't even understand what's going on anymore.

[Host 1]

She has a very unique way of,

[Host 2]

of defending people or complimenting people. I don't know what's going on. Wow. It's like, if you're defending me and you're like, my wife is so mentally ill, okay? She can't even get her own life together. I love her, but you don't get to judge her. It's like, what? I'm right here. And then in 2023, Judan and her husband show up on Viva la Romance, the show where Judan talks about her daughter serving her son. Like, it wasn't until this program that people saw their actual day to day interactions. How they talk to each other, how they address each other, their entire. I don't even know what to call it. So in one of the episodes, the couples are sharing some of their stories. And you then mentioned that in her childhood, her mother would also give her stepfather the silent treatment. And it was such an unpleasant part about her childhood. And when sharing this, her husband is asking her, then why do you do the silent treatment now? And she's like, well, their silent treatment actually affected me a lot. Then why do you choose to do the silent treatment? And as he's saying this, he looks like he's already stressed. Like he's got avoidant posture. He looks like he shouldn't even be asking this. Or else Joo then might get upset. Coincidentally, she taps his leg and even kind of flinches a little. He's like flinching. That's not the reaction of someone who's always the dominating one in the relationship. That's manipulating her. But she then continues, yes. So as I was just talking about it, I said, the reason why I ended up reading psychology is that I want to answer this, this question. Because when I'm with my husband, I also use the silent treatment. When I think about it now, I really choose the same way that my mother did it. But one day you talk about it in, you know, in case I got it wrong again.

[Host 1]

Wait, what? What did she say?

[Host 2]

She's just saying like. And then one day you talked about it, right? And then she's like, okay, let me explain the whole ladder story again. She's like, I brought this latter story up years ago. Stop it. Get some help.

[Host 1]

She said, I'm gonna do it again.

[Host 2]

Yeah. And then she's like, I'm gonna tell the full story this time with my husband so that no one else misunderstands. So everyone's like, wait, what do you Mean, misunderstand.

[Host 1]

Wait, this is a group discussion right now.

[Host 2]

Okay. And Jude then is like, okay. She starts talking, and you can see the husband is, like, about to cry. And he even says quietly, like, that incident when you talked about it, it got me bullied for years. Like, you had me scolded for years. Wow. He doesn't blame her. He doesn't make her feel guilty. He just looks relieved that they finally have a chance to clear the air this time.

[Host 1]

So he is happy for this conversation. He's okay.

[Host 2]

It has been four years. Okay. And they re explain everything. And it's because she just kept giving the silent treatment her entire family for, like, days. She forgot to mention that part. And so finally he's like, I'm going to give you a chance right now. And I imagine that this is.

[Host 1]

He didn't even say it.

[Host 2]

Like a threat. Yeah. And I also imagine that this is probably not the first time. Like, I wonder if it's something that they have talked about where he's like, you cannot just ignore your kids. You cannot just ignore your husband because we got into a fight. Like, that's such an unhealthy environment for the children. Like, you can't.

[Host 1]

You know, this. This is very relatable because, you know, I have family members that's just like that. And it's almost like you have to treat them like a kid to give them a step to calm down. It's like everybody knows. Okay, I think that was enough. Like. Yeah, it's been days or weeks?

[Host 2]

Weeks. Like, days is already crazy.

[Host 1]

Yeah. Like, you know, you want to reach out the branch to tell them that, hey, you can come hang out now.

[Host 2]

Yeah. And then he came up to her and he said that, but I don't think that he said it, you know, like you were saying, like, in the way that she tried to make it seem like he was saying. And then that made her rethink the whole silent treatment against her family, which is already so crazy when you think about it. You cannot just give the silent treatment to your entire family. I think the silent treatment should be illegal. I think, like, that is either be silent forever or you gotta talk. I'm not talking. Like, you gotta. You can't have time to cool off. I'm saying, like, silent treatment is, like, highly unproductive. It's like, at that point, just never talk again or you guys start talking because this is crazy. And so I'm sure he's having that same feeling. And all the comments are like, oh, okay. So for years, we have Been bullying her husband over a misunderstanding. So people start making memes and they say, him, wife, be careful when you're walking on the streets. Her on a reality show. My husband asked me to watch myself when I'm walking down the street because he's gonna hunt me down him. You're such a cute little piggy. My husband said that I was stupid as pig. When you're traveling and taking pictures, pose more naturally. I don't think, you know, you look as good when it's staged. My husband doesn't like taking pictures from me when we travel because he thinks I'm ugly. Okay. So people are so confused about what's going on. They were comparing it to the meme online where everyone's like, my husband said he was gonna go work from home in the room next to door, and I think he fucking hates me. Get some help. Which is like, kind of relatable, but not really. This, this is crazy. And then later in the show, they were asking Joodan's husband what were like, the three most notable moments in your life. And he said that it was in 1990 when his parents moved to Beijing, in 2004 when he got his first male lead role, and then in 2023 when he cleared his name on Viva la romance.

[Host 1]

Damn.

[Host 2]

Like he was getting cyberbully that hard.

[Host 1]

When you say when you clear his name. Damn.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

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[Host 2]

oh, and then it gets crazier. So they're on Viva la romance. And you know how she was like, oh, my husband never cooked for me. The wonton soup was his very first meal and he had to come in every single, single, like second asking me like, how do I do the next step? How do I do the next step? How do I do the next step? Right. They on viva. She's my. She is my. On viva Little romance. They're cooking and like Judan is technically cooking, but I've never seen this man so busy in his life. Okay, so she's standing there like a drill sergeant. She's like, okay, can you bring the water? Put the water in the pot. And then she's like, okay, then put the noodles in the pot. Okay, then do this. He's like taking instructions. He's like moving things. She's calling all the sh. She's literally like, start the fire, do this, do that. She's not like this whole submissive wife that. Like, you know, because that's the whole thing that she was trying to portray and everyone was so upset with her husband about. She would scream like, let me know when the water's boiling. Like very commanding. Even when she starts like rinsing meat and water, he notices that she's not wearing an apron, so he quickly grabs an apron and puts it on her. So she's like, you know, trying to open a can, pulls off the entire tab without popping off the lid. Like, you know how the cans they have the tab that you push up. And so Judahn is like complaining and gives it to the husband. He's doing that. He's getting the oil bottle open. Like he's doing all of this. That's happening. And initially, before they started cooking, Joo then was like, honey, you sit back, I got everything under control. Okay? And she's calling them, bigger fire, smaller fire, turn down the heat, water boil, get the plates, do this, do that. He's like. And running around. He doesn't look like someone who's ever cooked a day in his life. And the whole time he is nothing but patient with her. No Comments. No complaints. No snarky comments, no annoyed eye rolls. Because it's not the fact that he also has to help cook. It's the fact that she's so demanding. It's like a backseat driver. Like, at some point, you want to be like, okay, you just do it then. Like, that's crazy. You just do it then, because I don't know what you want from me. I'm sorry. He's not even doing that. He's just like, okay, just doing everything. It's like, the most insane scene. And, like, by the way, her idea of cooking is, like, she's stirring the pot while it's sauteing.

[Host 1]

Mm.

[Host 2]

But anyone who's ever cooked knows that's, like, the easy part. The hard part is washing the ingredients, chopping the ingredients, measuring the oil, figuring out when to add the water, when to add the ingredients to the heat, cleaning up, making sure the knife is back in this right spot. Like. But after they're done cooking, Joo Dan literally looks to no one in particular, and she says, how am I so amazing? And she gives her husband no credit. No credit. And he doesn't take credit either. He just sits down and he sighs because he's tired. And then Joo then just says, oh, did you get tired from cleaning the wok? That's just one of the things he did. He did everything, and he cleaned the wok. And then he just said, I guess I just, like, got up and sat up and did a bunch of. I don't know. But still, it's not as tiring as cooking. You worked hard. You worked really hard, wife. No one. No one is breaking her delusion. They're all feeding into it. Yeah, they're all letting her live in a parallel universe. And one netizen even asked, I don't get it. Who was the husband's biggest hater after all? And the next comment woman is Judah. Judan is the biggest hater after all, and she just be making him look bad. Like, I don't know what would have happened if he wasn't on this show. So as other couples are talking about some big fights that they've gotten into in the relationship, Judan says, you know, I think in the early stages of our relationship. Also, that's a leather chair that he's, like, moving back and forth on. That kind of sounds like a little flatulent. Like, it sounds like you're too. I know we had a good dinner, but, like, sounds like you're tooting a lot. I just want to mention it's a Leather floor, seat cushion.

[Host 1]

You think they can hear that?

[Host 2]

Yeah, I think so. And it sounds like you're tooting, you know? But let me tell you, when he toots, you'll know there's, like, a bass to it. So Jude then is saying, you know, in the beginning of our relationship, I used to be really childish. I used to actually run away from home sometimes. It was when we first started dating. And I would just run away from home because I just couldn't deal with the emotions anymore. And the other celebrities are like, okay. They look really concerned because these seem like really big fights. So in their head, they're thinking she would go for hours or she'd be gone or, like, something. What would even cause a fight like this? And her husband is looking at her confused, and he's looking like, I. Are you talking about a different relationship you were in? Because, like, that never happened. And then he's like, oh, my God. And it clicks. And he says, I think, okay, so there was one time in the beginning of our relationship, we were fighting, and then I went upstairs and I looked out the window, and I was like, who is that outside? It was her. And he says. I'm like, what is she doing out there? And he says, you know, back in the day, she would make it a thing to, like, leave the house when she gets mad, but the furthest she would go is about, like, 100ft, 200ft from the house. And then she would just be very immature, basically. And then he would have to beg her to come back home. And all the comments are like, can you imagine if the husband was not on this reality show? It made it sound like their relationship was so toxic. She had to flee the house. She had to leave her belong. She had to leave her skincare makeup bag, flee the house and check into a hotel. She had to change her government name and move to a different province and start a fresh new life because of how toxic he was. In reality, she's just standing by the mailbox and she's like, what.

[Host 1]

What is going on with her?

[Host 2]

Like, I don't know. I don't know. She just.

[Host 1]

She's just really digging her own grave or something.

[Host 2]

Everyone says that she has, like, a bizarre way of interpreting events that is like. It's not even. Like, that's the nicest way of putting it, but the way that she has such a distorted way of interpreting people's actions and situations and even common events that everyone is like, I mean, we could probably agree that this is what happened. She interprets it Completely differently. To the point where you're like, what? What? Have you ever had a conversation with someone and you're like, I gotta go outside to the backyard right now because my dogs are outside and I think they might fall into the pool and drown? That's like the statement. And then the person is like, is the pool water cold? You're like, that's what you got out of that. Like, I gotta go to the backyard because my dog might fall into the pool and drown. And they're like, is the pool cold? I don't know what the pool being cold has to do with the fact that regardless, pool water cold, pool water hot. I'm gonna have to jump in if my dog is drowned. Like, this is like really random. Like, that's what you took out. Like, it's kind of like, wait, I'm so sorry. I think, you know, it's just like a tiny bit off. It's always like a little bit like, wait, are we sure that we're like in the same conversation right now?

[Host 1]

Okay, so she says everything weirdly, and then people gets mad at the husband. And then she gets mad at the Internet.

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Yeah.

[Host 1]

Ended up getting people more mad at both of them.

[Host 2]

Yes.

[Host 1]

And she's just mad mad.

[Host 2]

Yeah, she's just big mad. And then all the people are like, okay, let's hope that she never learns English. Excuse me? Just do it. Let's hope she never learns English and becomes some sort of like, political interpreter, translator. Because can you imagine her sitting next to a Chinese diplomat and an American diplomat? And then, you know, China is like, we're just checking to see if, you know, our border countries are doing okay.

[Host 1]

People are coming up with these scenarios.

[Host 2]

Yeah, People are like, you know, the politicians are like, we just want to see if our border countries are doing okay and if they're all having a good time, do that. Our president says to check your borders because we're coming for your ass. People are like, if you then becomes a translator between two countries, they would go to war immediately. Don't let her go to the un. Like, don't let her go anywhere.

[Host 1]

Take away her mic.

[Host 2]

Yeah, take away her mic. Someone take away my mic. Also, there's a point where she genuinely makes her husband sound gay. What? There's like another male celebrity, Dan Songwen.

[Host 1]

Uh huh.

[Host 2]

Okay. So she says on another talk show, she's like, you know, the first person I was really jealous of when I first started dating my husband was Jang Songwen, which is like a male celebrity. The husband is like, really? Why Are you jealous of him? When we first started dating, didn't you like calm. Every single day? Like every day, every night you would ask me to go to sleep and then you would go outside and you would call him. It was just like non stop every day. And I would think like, what are you two even talking about? But like, you really do love him.

[Host 1]

Okay.

[Host 2]

The husband is like, yeah, at that time he was going through a really hard time, so I was giving him support because it was like he doesn't want to like tell people what his friend was going through. But he's like, you know, like when you're talking to your partner and you're like, why are you saying this right now in public when there's people around, like, what? Like that was. Yeah, I told them. I didn't tell you. Like, you know, like that it's like, you're not supposed to know this information. You're not supposed to know. So then he's like, he was going through a really hard time.

[Host 1]

Wait, so the wife clearly know that?

[Host 2]

Correct?

[Host 1]

Yeah, like, wife knows, like example, he's going through a divorce or he's like going through medical problems.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

But like it's a personal issue. Why are you airing out his personal issue right now?

[Host 2]

So he's like, he's just like going through a tough time at that point. And so I was supporting him through the calls. Yeah. And the wife is like, you know, but as time went on, he kind of slowly faded from our lives a little bit. But he just went back to like a position as a friend.

[Host 1]

Uh huh.

[Host 2]

Okay. It's hard to believe.

[Host 1]

She is so airhead.

[Host 2]

Like, who could phrase. What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? Like he went back to a position as just a friend.

[Host 1]

It's not about you. It's not about, like if someone, you know, they're going through something really dark or bad. It's not about.

[Host 2]

Yeah. And then also step down as a position as a friend, what are you stepping down from being lovers? Like, what do you mean? Right?

[Ad/Promo Voice]

What do you mean?

[Host 2]

What do you mean? So then the husband, he's so confused. It's like to the point where he's like, I can already see the comments. So he immediately. Yeah, he goes, your descriptions are very misleading. It is war flashback. Yeah, he's like, it's very misleading. She's like, really? He's like, it's not important. It's not important. But. But it is. Yeah. So everyone is like, wait, if again, he weren't on the show. Everyone in the comments would be like, were they dating? Were they seeing each other? Is she. His beard? Is that why he's so mean to her? Like, people would have had so many different conspiracies.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Then there's another instance on the show where they're supposed to be having a sweet moment, and they're out at the park, and Judan turns to her husband and she says, if you are my mountain, what am I to you? And then he's, like, thinking. And then she immediately goes, dark clouds. I'm dark clouds. And he's like, no, What? And he's looking at her, like, in disbelief of like, what are we doing right now? Like, why are you doing this right now? Why are you acting like this? Okay, it's misleading.

[Host 1]

It's misleading. Let's do it again.

[Host 2]

I never said that. I literally. Why are you doing that?

[Host 1]

You're my op.

[Host 2]

Skipping the TikToks where the girlfriends are like, can I get the salad today instead of. Or can I get the fries instead of the salad? Not me getting a mix. She, like, randomly asks him, can I still hate you in the future?

[Host 1]

Can I still hate you?

[Host 2]

So at this point, she knows everyone says that she's her husband's biggest hater. Yeah. And then she's like, honey, can I still hate you in the future? And the husband is looking at her, and he's like, you can just talk normally. He's like, you're talking weird, buddy. Like, you never talk to me like this. You can't even blame it on the editors, because some people were like, well, maybe it's the editing that did her dirty. I just learned this by the way, that reality shows will splice together words and make new sentences. So they said that you have to be careful when you don't see the person saying the words. Because that could be like, I hate tomatoes. And then they would splice it with, I hate my husband. You gotta be careful. So people were thinking, maybe. Maybe the. The editors did her dirty because they wanted to jump on the train where everybody already hated her. So it's easy clicks, easy views. But then she started livestreaming, and she was just as crazy. So she would ask her husband to make her cup noodles. So she's like, can you go boil the water? Can you pour the boiling water into the cup and make the cup noodles? Can you cover the cup noodles? And so again, same thing is happening. He's doing all the cooking. And then she's like, I made myself cup noodles. And then as he's pouring the hot water into the cup noodles. A tiny single droplet splashes onto her and she flinchy's back. And then she's like, they call me the lowly one. Who's the lowly one here? You're the one that's burning me with scalding hot water. Damn. Everyone's like, what the fork is happening right now? What the fork? And so now all the comments are saying, first of all, I would like to apologize to Joo Dan's husband. Second of all, Joo Dan should apologize to me. That's all the netizen comments. The entire netizen collective is apologizing to the husband and demanding that Joo Dan apologize to the netizens because she's the gaslighter. And so that is where we currently are with you. Then I will say it's like very complicated. In the western world, we probably hate Judah more. But in China, people have very mixed feelings about her. They think that she reminds them of grandparents. Like she's in such an old generational thinking of like, boys are better than girls and putting boys first. And she always interprets hurts things weirdly. And like she overthinks about everybody's actions when it's just like not that deep, buddy. Nothing is ever that deep, buddy. But then also she's not like the shittiest person in the world. There are really shitty people out there. But okay, for example, early on in Judan's career, her friend scammed her out of $2 million and put Joo then $2 million in debt. And it was like all because she just wanted to help a friend and she trusted her friend and thought that her friend would pay her back. Her friend ended up scamming her and it was like a whole thing. But it seems like she has love in her heart. She's just kind of crazy.

[Host 1]

Yeah. But I do feel bad for obviously, like, yeah, her daughter and just some of these values that she stand by is harmful. Like.

[Host 2]

Yeah. And to put it online is harmful.

[Host 1]

Yeah. And it seems like husband seems nice, but she's still running the show, right?

[Ryan Reynolds]

Oh yeah.

[Host 2]

And he had like helped her repay that debt and stuff. He seems nice. Yeah. But she's, she's. Yeah, I feel bad for her daughter. I feel bad for also like her daughter, everyone she traumatized that watches her reality shows. But more importantly, also obviously her family, but all the people that she traumatized on the reality shows.

[Host 1]

Yeah, I think that's rough because why

[Host 2]

is she doing that?

[Host 1]

Yeah, people can't even say anything on these shows because, you know, what would

[Host 2]

happen if you put Joo Dan and Mai in a room together?

[Host 1]

That would be the best show ever.

[Host 2]

I know. Someone's got to do this. Hunan tv, Mango tv, cctv. Yeah, some TV out there. What are you guys doing? Put these two women on a show with Yang Zi. Throw them in there, too. Whatever. That guy. Okay, so all three of them on a deserted island. Call it Survivor. I think it's a great idea. Let me know your thoughts in the comments and I will see you in the next one. Bye.

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