December Bonus Episode: Secrets of the S.K. Pierce Mansion with Special Guests Sam & Colby

Summary

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Morbid: December Bonus Episode

Secrets of the S.K. Pierce Mansion

Hosts: Ash Kelley & Alaina Urquhart
Guests: Sam & Colby (paranormal investigators)
Release Date: December 14, 2025

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Overview

In this lively and spooky bonus episode of Morbid, Ash and Alaina team up again with Sam and Colby for another haunted double-feature: this time, an ambitious, experimental paranormal investigation at the infamous S.K. Pierce Mansion in Gardner, Massachusetts. The episode is a blend of true crime obsession, ghost-hunting curiosity, healthy skepticism, and plenty of laughter (and a few terrified moments). The key twist? Sam and Colby invited three different psychics to independently investigate the house—all using distinct, specialized methods—to see whose approach would best uncover the mansion's dark secrets and perhaps even answer a long-unsolved murder.

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Major Themes and Purpose

• Experimentation with Psychics: Testing if mediums, using varied techniques (dowsing rods, cleromancy, and tarot), can corroborate facts or reveal new truths about the S.K. Pierce Mansion’s supposed murder mystery.
• True Crime Meets the Paranormal: Using haunting investigation tools to tackle a real, unsolved case—a mysterious pelvic bone found in the mansion’s basement, believed to belong to a murdered teenage girl.
• The Intersection of Skepticism and Belief: The hosts and guests challenge their beliefs (and each other’s) about spirits, psychics, and paranormal methods.
• Personal Experiences with the Supernatural: Firsthand reactions, mysterious touches, and jaw-dropping moments of psychic “hits.”
• The Human Side of Hauntings: A focus on image, family secrets, suffering, and release for both the living and the departed.

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Key Discussion Points

1. The S.K. Pierce Experiment: Setup and Concept

[02:13–04:52]

• New Approach to Ghost-Hunting: Sam introduces the experiment: "What if we could use psychics and mediums as our, quote, ghost equipment, our tools to the other side?" (Sam, 02:55)
• Three Psychics, Three Methods:
  • Patty Negri: Senses ghosts through her hands; uses dowsing rods.
  • Mystic Dylan: Performs cleromancy (divination by casting bones and totems).
  • Ashley, the Pythian Priestess: Tarot reading and ritual magic; longtime collaborator with Sam & Colby.
• Strict Blindfolding and Secrecy: Psychics were driven in blindfolded, had no information, and investigated alone to avoid cross-contamination of evidence.

2. The S.K. Pierce Mansion Backstory

[16:50–18:32]

• House Built by S.K. Pierce: For his first wife, who died soon after moving in; remarried to Ellen, then sons inherited and feuded over the property.
• Boarding House Era: The mansion's later years were filled with unsavory happenings—gambling, alleged assaults on women, and ultimately, several unexplained deaths and hauntings.

3. Psychic 1: Patty Negri — Dowsing Rods & Emotional Hits

[05:57–23:48]

• Immediate Reactions: Patty feels an intense energy upon entry, drawn specifically to Alaina: "Almost immediately, everything started pointing to you, Alaina." (Sam, 12:12)
• Vivid Hits about the Murder: A spirit attracted to Alaina’s red hair, echoing S.K.'s first wife and possibly the victim herself—both redheads.
• Experiences in the “Creepy” Game Room: Patty detects a portal and describes celebratory yet disturbing energy—later corroborated by other psychics and the hosts’ previous visits.
• Theme of Secrecy and Family Image: Patty repeatedly uses the word “image” to describe motivations for hiding the murder.

4. Personal Supernatural Encounters

[14:15–15:00, 21:00–23:48]

• Physical Contact: Alaina describes a clear sensation of being grabbed in the basement:

  "It wasn’t just a tap or a pull. It was a grab. I’ve never, ever felt anything like that." (Elaina, 14:46)

• Multiple Confirmations: Each psychic independently notes her resemblance to the murder victim, heightening the feeling she’s being targeted by the spirits.

5. Psychic 2: Mystic Dylan — Cleromancy Reveals Stunning Detail

[32:35–38:44]

• Skepticism Turns to Awe:

  "That one is by far the one... I was just like, there is no way this works at all. Out of all the methods, it was the most mind-blowing." (Sam, 07:14)

• First Throw: Dylan’s bones and totems land in ways that directly recount the house’s history: two wives (dice shows two), pelvic bone at center, playing cards for gambling, sexual imagery for motive, a frog on its back symbolizing corrupted fertility.
• Finding “Eno Sari”—Fire Death Detail: He uncovers a side mystery about a man who died in a fiery accident, matching historic deaths in the house.

6. Psychic 3: Ashley (Pythian Priestess) — Ritual and Tarot

[42:21–53:04]

• Basement Rituals and Tarot for Names:
  • Pinpointing the furnace room (site of victim’s remains) instantly.
  • Using trance/ritual methods where the hosts feel distinct bodily sensations and receive the name “Kathleen” (matching Ash's internal impression).
  • Clear, direct yes/no responses to questions about suspects and motives.
• Overlapping Motifs: All psychics mention red hair, secrecy, a troubled male perpetrator, and sexualized violence.

7. Unraveling the Mansion’s Secret: The Murder Mystery

[50:56–54:06]

• Suspect Identified: Through tarot and corroboration, it’s revealed Frank—not Edward—is the likely killer.
• Motivation: Dark affair with the victim, a teenage servant girl; fear that she would expose the relationship to Frank’s wife; possible pregnancy.
• All Methods Align: “All three psychics called out the red hair... all their stories just connected.” (Elaina, 49:54)

8. Creepy, Memorable Moments

• The Machant Ritual: Patty leads hosts and guests in a loud, energy-raising chant, “screaming for like, two minutes,” felt by all. (31:09)
• Sensory Overload & Trance States: Hosts describe entering heady, dizzy states, especially during the Estes method (sensory deprivation + spirit box).
• The Fire Alarm Banishment: Ashley’s ritual to release the trapped spirit from the mansion ends in a surprise explosion, setting off every smoke detector in the house at 4:30am.

  "It was like a, like, it went up in flames for like five seconds... every alarm in the entire house started." (Colby, 63:47)

9. Reflections on Psychic Validity

[68:05–74:24]

• Ash: Remains a “firm believer.”
• Elaina: Still skeptical, but admits, “We got three goodies.”

  "They made so much sense, all their stories... it just didn’t feel put on at all." (Elaina, 68:17)

• Colby’s Cancer Story: Shares a deeply moving, personal testament that Ashley predicted his cancer diagnosis (and recovery timeline) exactly.
• Debate on Knowing the Future: None of the hosts would want to know everything, some would be curious about “one good thing” only.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On the Experimental Approach:

  “What if all three of their answers line up? Wouldn’t that collaboration, like, make it so much more believable if we did get an answer, which is kind of what happened? And it was absolutely mind-blowing.”
  —Sam, 03:38

• On Their Own Skepticism:

  “Both Sam and I kind of believe, like, 85, 90% of psychics are all fake. Just doing it for the money.”
  —Colby, 05:49

• Alaina Being Targeted:

  “You seemed to be targeted, like almost the entire night.”
  —Sam, 13:54

• S.K. Pierce House’s Dark Energy:

  “It’s said that 17 spirits are haunting this house. But a lot of people believe there’s some sort of non-human spirit in the basement, which could be tricking people...”
  —Sam, 19:00

• Validating a Psychic’s Results:

  “How could she have known that? That… in your head?” (referencing dowsing rods flipping in response to Ash's thoughts)
  —Elaina, 26:49

• On the Dangers of the Ritual:

  "She was going to make me do that. Picture a flare, like a road flare—that's how intense it was."
  —Colby, 63:43

• Colby Shares Deep Experience:

  “When I met you guys, I had cancer...The month I got diagnosed...Ashley came over for the first time, did a tarot card reading, and was just like, this looks really bad. You’re about to go through, like, one of the scariest moments of your life.”
  —Colby, 72:25

• On Psychic Ethics:

  “I won’t tell you anything if you’re not willing to hear everything.”
  —Elaina, 71:24 (about a psychic ancestor)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Start of Content: 01:26 (introductions)
• Investigation Concept / Why Psychics: 02:13–04:52
• Patty Negri’s Session: 05:57–25:00
• Dylan the Cleromancer: 32:35–40:03
• Ashley, Tarot, and Ritual: 42:21–53:04
• Identifying the Killer: 50:56–54:06
• Estes Method / Finale: 55:49–61:12
• Banishing Ritual Gone Wild: 63:12–66:12
• Reflection on Psychic Validity: 68:05–74:24

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Tone & Style

The episode is full of both genuine chills and irreverent humor—a blend of spooky storytelling and laughing at their own fear. The hosts and guests are candid, skeptical, playful, and sometimes deeply moved. As always, Ash and Alaina share personal reflections and plenty of true crime context, while Sam and Colby provide the structure of a supernatural “experiment.”

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Conclusion

This special Morbid episode is a wild ride through one of Massachusetts’s most haunted mansions, blending experimental paranormal investigation with a genuine effort to provide closure to an old crime. Whether you’re a true believer, a skeptic, or somewhere in between, you’ll find plenty to ponder, shiver at, and laugh along with in this episode.

Want the full chills? Watch the corresponding episode on Sam & Colby’s YouTube channel—out now!

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Transcript

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[Ash]

Hey, weirdos. I'm Ash.

[Elena]

I'm Elena.

[Sam]

I'm Sam.

[Colby]

I'm Colby.

[Ash]

And this is morbid. I always feel so weird when I look at the camera. I'm like, hello.

[Elena]

I know. I'm like, hey.

[Colby]

Hi. Thanks for having us on again.

[Sam]

Thanks for stoked to be back.

[Ash]

It's been so long since we recorded that episode. If you're watching, it has been a very long time for you. So here we are. We can officially announce that we did a haunted investigation. Let's go. Another one, another one, another one. It was so fun.

[Sam]

Yeah, we did. Completely unlike anything we've ever done before on our channel, too. Yeah, I love that you guys got a whole different experience.

[Ash]

I know. That was such an honor when we actually sat down and you were like, okay, so this is what we're doing and we've never done it before. I was like, okay.

[Sam]

Our first investigation with you guys, the USS Salem, was, was a very tradition thing and a lot of crazy stuff happened.

[Elena]

Yes.

[Sam]

But this time it was like, yeah, very, very different. Like, we were even kind of throwing off, like, we're like, whoa, we don't even know how to do this.

[Colby]

Brand new concept.

[Ash]

Yeah. So we went to the S.K. pierce mansion and basically your whole, you know, like, vibe for the night was testing psychics.

[Colby]

Yeah, that's correct.

[Ash]

So how do you know these psychics? Like, tell us a little bit about the psychics. The whole shebang.

[Elena]

There were three of them.

[Sam]

Yeah, there are three of them. So our whole goal of this year of 2025 was to try to kind of the bar with ghost hunting. We've done a lot of the same type of investigations. It's really fun. Like, there's a lot of different stories, but we're like, what if there's just different ways to get answers? And especially in places like that have unsolved mysteries, you know, you guys dive into that all the time. And, like, you know, there's ways to get answers on ghost equipment. But what if we could use psychics and mediums as our, quote, unquote, ghost equipment, Our tools to the other side. And so when we're brainstorming, like, what would be. That would be really cool to bring a psychic. You know what would be even cooler? If we had three different psychics that use three different methods of communication. We see which one works best. And then also, what if all three of their answers line up? Wouldn't that collaboration, like, make it so much more believable if we did get an answer, which is kind of what happened? And it was absolutely mind blowing.

[Elena]

I didn't expect that.

[Colby]

Yeah, we wanted to basically, like, run an experiment where we had, like, each one of these individual psychics come in without the other ones around. And then so they. They weren't influenced by each other. And so what we did is we actually. This sounds really bad. We actually, like, blindfolded all the psychics and they had no idea, like, where they were at all. And we had like, one producer on this trip that was helping us out with, like, transporting them, like, to and from the haunted location. But yeah, they had zero idea besides, like, obviously the hotel that they were in. They kind of knew, like, the area of, like, the state that we were in, but that's about it. And then at the way end of the investigation, the end of video, we had all of them come together for one final investigation to see if, like, they were going to maybe contradict each other or, like, fight for whose, like, opinion was right or maybe all agree we didn't know. So it was just a massive.

[Elena]

Yeah, seriously. I was hoping for that, to be honest.

[Colby]

It was just a massive experiment. We were just, like, really curious about it and thought it was a cool concept.

[Elena]

Yeah, it really is.

[Ash]

It was so much fun.

[Elena]

Yeah. And also, we're going to say this, like, a million times during this, but go watch the video, because.

[Ash]

Yeah, you got to watch.

[Elena]

You need to watch it on Sam and Colby's page. It is.

[Colby]

Thank you.

[Elena]

Crazy.

[Ash]

When we say it was unlike anything we've ever experienced before. I was. Because we were sitting at the Longhorn Steakhouse, and you guys were, like, asking us, like, what are your thoughts on mediums?

[Sam]

Do you believe?

[Ash]

Are you skeptical? I mostly believe, yeah. And you were super, like, pretty skeptical.

[Elena]

Yeah, I'm. I'm one of those people that believes, like, most of them are probably lying and just trying to get money or like, you know, whatever from it, but. But I think they exist, and I think there are some that are real. Especially, like, mediums. I'm more apt to believe, I think. I don't know why. So I went into this, like, totally. I was like, three. I feel like three were gonna get.

[Ash]

Like, at least a couple networks. Yeah.

[Elena]

I was shocked.

[Colby]

We kind of believe the same thing. Like, both Sam and I kind of believe, like, 85, 90% of psychics are all fake. Just doing it for the money. So.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Colby]

We specifically chose the three psychics that you guys met for a reason. The first one was Patty Negri. She's actually been in the paranormal field for years, and she has experienced sensing ghosts, like, specifically through, like, her hands is what we researched, which is why, when we were walking around, she had her hands out a lot.

[Ash]

She did, yeah.

[Colby]

Since childhood. And she's been on every single TV show you can even think of. So she's very, very credible. We were like, okay, we got it. We got to test her. She's been around. And then there was a guy named mystic Dylan.

[Ash]

Mystic Dylan 5 ever.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Colby]

Yes.

[Ash]

I love my Dylan.

[Colby]

Insane. He's been going so viral recently just because he does a special technique called claromancy, which is, like, throwing objects. He specifically uses animal bones and, like, other, like, totems, I think he's.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Colby]

What he called him.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Colby]

And he's able to, like, throw these bones onto a table or onto the floor, and then depending on how they fall onto, like, this mat that he had, he's able to read what's going on in the room and what happened in the past or the Future.

[Ash]

I'm not gonna lie. When you told us that at dinner, I was like, I don't know how that's gonna work. Like, I'm not sure about that one.

[Elena]

Actually into that one very soon.

[Ash]

I'm like, as a non skeptic, I might be a little skeptical about that.

[Sam]

That one is by far the one. I was just like, there is no way.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Sam]

This works at all. Out of all of the different methods, that was the most mind blowing.

[Ash]

Yeah, absolutely, it was.

[Colby]

Which we'll get into. But that was, like, for sure, crazy accurate nut. And then the last was our good friend. Her name is Pythian Priestess. She's. Her name's Ashley. But yeah, she's been like, our personal. Not personal, but, like, she's helped us personally as our spirit guide for the last, like, two, three years. And her expertise, at least what we found is, like, tarot, definitely.

[Elena]

Oh, my God. Yeah.

[Colby]

And so she. We wanted to bring her last so that it was a familiar face to the channel and that she could help us solve this, like, mystery once and for all. And she did.

[Elena]

She was incredible.

[Ash]

And she just jumped right into. It was like, okay, where are we going? Let's go.

[Elena]

Boom.

[Ash]

It was wild.

[Sam]

And that was a little, like, interesting too, because we told them absolutely nothing. And they literally took off their blindfold as they were walking up to the S.K. pierce mansion. It was kind of just like, all right, we want to see what you guys get. Like, we didn't tell them any information. You know, we just kind of, like, had them go find a room, find, like, the areas that they felt the most activity and just, like, went for it.

[Elena]

Y.

[Sam]

After they would get something, we would tell them a yes or no. That kind of lines up with the research or not. But it was really interesting to see, like, from scratch, like, literal nothing, like, blindfold off. They're already feeling and. And sensing the things that lined up with the history of the location. You guys have been to that location to Ghost Town before too?

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Ash]

We had gone with Sabrina, Corinne and Payne Lindsay.

[Elena]

Yeah. And we. And it. I, like, these psychics came from, like, all over. Yeah. They weren't, like, Massachusetts based. And even if they were, I didn't know about the S.K. pierce Mansion until Ash covered it on one of our episodes. I'd never heard of it, and I've lived here my entire life, and I.

[Ash]

Hadn'T heard of it. And so I think I, like, Googled, like, most haunted places in Massachusetts, and it popped up on a list.

[Elena]

It's not something you would just know. And. Yeah, like, it's not like the Lizzie Borden house that like, it's pretty well known.

[Ash]

And like the witch house.

[Colby]

Yeah.

[Ash]

Like, I felt like.

[Elena]

So them. All of them were like, yeah, I don't. I don't know what this house is. And I was like, I fully believe that because I wouldn't have known what this house is.

[Sam]

And even if you did, like, we've gone to this mansion before. You guys have too. And to recall all the different nuances of the family history and everything would be impossible. Like, we. We didn't even know we had to restudy for all this. And so the fact that they were picking out things that were like so detailed.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Sam]

And. And it lined up perfectly. It was just really mind blowing.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Colby]

It was nuts also for like the skeptics out there. Like, yeah, you could say like they knew what hotel we were staying at. So they can go on their Google maps and like search up haunted places and make like an educated guess and like study or whatever. But then how did the methods that they were doing line up with everything in the story?

[Elena]

That's the thing.

[Ash]

Because the tools, like Paddy's, like the queen of like dowsing rods, you guys were saying. And like her tools are making sense. With Dylan, his bones, like, there was no way he could have thrown them into a perfect alignment for what had happened there.

[Elena]

Yeah. Because even we could see the story that he. That they were showing. That was the thing that I loved the most. That like, he wasn't making up, like, what these symbols meant. Like they made sense for what they meant. And then they would fall in a way that I was like, oh yeah, that does say that. Like you could confirm it yourself. Like, he couldn't fake that.

[Ash]

And then with Tarot, even like with Ashley, the things that were popping up, I know a little bit of tarot. So I was like, oh, yeah, like that does make sense. And we saw her like shuffling the cards every time. Like she was not picking them.

[Elena]

No. You know.

[Colby]

Right.

[Sam]

Yeah.

[Colby]

Crazy.

[Sam]

It was pretty insane. So, yeah, like, the whole premise of the video was, hey, this place is really haunted. So we obviously want it like, you know, you know, just ghost hunt in general. But our main goal was to figure out this unsolved murder. Now there was this bone that was found in the basement of the S.K. pierce Mansion House. And they think that it was from a 16 year old girl. It was like a pelvic bone, but they have no idea who that person was. And the killer. Now the people that have been Investigating for a long time, have their thoughts on who they think it could have been, but nothing has ever been confirmed. And so we're like, okay, what better to do than get all the psychics to figure out their answer? And if all those things line up, that is really insane, because we were not telling all the information that we got from the previous psychic to the next psychic.

[Elena]

Right.

[Sam]

We were independently finding these answers, and we were the ones that were, like, you know, corroborating with all that stuff.

[Colby]

Yeah. I kind of feel bad because it kind of felt like. I don't know if you guys got the same vibe, but it kind of felt like each psychic would come in, and then we were just like, go, yeah, do it. Go.

[Elena]

Tell me. That's the thing.

[Ash]

Like, when you say it, like, you feel bad, but they just got right to it.

[Colby]

Yeah.

[Elena]

You know, because, like, Patty walked in, and we were just like, where do you want to go? She was just like. She just, like, let us somewhere on the spot.

[Colby]

Yeah.

[Ash]

Yeah. Well, she got hit with, like, a wave. When we. Like, when she first walked in, she literally did like this.

[Elena]

Yeah, she did like.

[Colby]

Yeah.

[Sam]

What was funny about Patty's investigation was, I feel like almost immediately, everything started pointing to you, Elena.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Sam]

It was like, okay. Get called out.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Sam]

Right off the bat, I was like, great.

[Elena]

Fatty.

[Ash]

Kept hearing, like, wanda. Wanda. Or like, something like that. And I was like, is it like, want her? Like, I want her, like, what is happening? And I kind of think it was actually.

[Sam]

Well, I think one of the main things that we, like, understood about that was they found some sort of correlation with how you looked versus the, you know, supposed, like, wife, the first wife of SK and when later on, like, we didn't even know this at the time. Like, later on, we went and talked to the caretaker, and she was like, oh, yeah, yeah. The first wife of SK had red hair.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Sam]

And we're like, what?

[Elena]

And he was like. And she, like, specifically brought that up. She was like, he likes your hair.

[Sam]

Yeah.

[Elena]

Like, kept saying that. So when the caretakers confirmed it, I was like, whoa.

[Ash]

And we didn't tell the caretakers anything. We were just like, oh, hey, like, what color hair did SK Stand?

[Elena]

We said, what did she look like? Or we said, do you have pictures? And she was like, oh, we don't have pictures. But, like, you know, she had red hair. And we're like, oh.

[Colby]

And what's crazy about that, too, is, like, SK Remarried pretty shortly after, like, his first wife, Susan, passed away to a much younger wife, like, 30 years younger.

[Elena]

Yeah, he was getting it, Ellen.

[Colby]

And so, yeah, it's. It's rumored that SK like, did that for potentially the wrong reasons. And that's why he might have been drawn to you as a redhead. Cuz he. You like, reminded him of his first wife. It's crazy.

[Elena]

It's so creepy.

[Ash]

He likes the younger gal and you're just a couple hundred years younger.

[Elena]

Just a couple hundred years. You know, I mean, you seem to.

[Sam]

Be targeted, like almost the entire night.

[Ash]

Yeah, you really were.

[Elena]

I thought it was when Patty did it. I was like, okay. Like, this is funny. And then afterwards I was like, that's not gonna happen again. Like, I thought that was just a Patty thing and maybe that would just be the end of it. I was like, the other ones aren't gonna confirm that. And then it just kept.

[Ash]

Which one of them did.

[Elena]

I was like, is this real?

[Ash]

Like, what is going on?

[Sam]

Even to the point of, like, at the end of the night, like when we were like sitting in the basement. You got touched, right?

[Elena]

Yeah. So we were. This was with Ashley in the basement, and we were sitting in a circle and she was doing the tarot. And I had my jacket on, like my leather jacket. And I. I was just like paying attention to what she was doing. And it felt suddenly like someone like, grabbed my shoulder.

[Sam]

And you're kind of explaining that it wasn't just a tap or a pole. It was a grab.

[Ash]

A grab?

[Sam]

Yeah, Like a firm grab.

[Elena]

And I've never, ever, ever felt anything like that. Like, I haven't been poked. I haven't had any of that stuff happen.

[Ash]

When you had such a visceral reaction, like you jumped and you like, went into like, fight mode immediately.

[Elena]

I'm like, I'm ready to punch it.

[Sam]

Yeah.

[Elena]

Because it wasn' not like a brush or anything like that. You could be like, oh, maybe like my hair or something brushed against it was like full on. Like something did this to my shoulder. Like a.

[Ash]

Well, in that moment, Ashley, so casually was like, well, it's because you look like her.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Ash]

And she was saying like, you lunch. Like the girl who we believe was killed in. In the house or near the house.

[Elena]

I was like, damn.

[Ash]

And she said, it's so casual. She was like, oh, yeah. Well, like, you look like her.

[Elena]

Yeah. That was scary.

[Sam]

And once again, we didn't tell Ashley what we had found previously. So she was just coming up with that on her own accord.

[Elena]

And she just. It was so spooky when she just turned and looked at me, was like. Cause you look like her. I was like, oh, yeah, What?

[Ash]

It was wild. And I think Dylan had already said something to that effect, too.

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He.

[Elena]

Later. He was like. He was like, I knew she had red hair. I said that. Like, he was like, I was gonna say that earlier. So, yeah, it came to him, too.

[Ash]

Yeah. I'm trying to think just so we can go chronologically, like, more of the things that Patty had said while we were there.

[Sam]

Well, she. We initially got that we were talking to SK So I think that's where we first got.

[Elena]

You felt like we weren't, though.

[Ash]

So that's the thing. When we got down to the basement and we kind of started to learn, like, more about the family dynamic and that kind of thing. I feel like whoever we were talking to, like, whoever was, you know, like, doing the dowsing rods with Patty, I think they were pretending to be SK because it felt a little. The more it kept pointing at you, like, it felt creepier. And SK didn't seem to have a super nefarious spirit. Like, he seemed pretty chill.

[Colby]

Yeah.

[Ash]

And it didn't really sound like he was involved in the murder or anything like that. So I was like, could it have been, like, Frank, because he liked how you looked? And then, like, I hate that a lot. Do you know what I mean?

[Elena]

Though? I would have rather SK I just.

[Ash]

Feel like SK Wouldn't have been as creepy.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Sam]

For a little backstory, like, the Pierce family, like, S.K. was the guy that built the house. He had two different wives, and he built the house for the first wife, but she died immediately, and they moved in. And so he had one. One oldest son with the first wife and then two more sons. And so the three sons were most likely the three suspects of the person that would, like, have killed somebody in the house. Because the family lineage still owned the SK Mansion while this murder occurred. Yeah. And, yeah, so there apparently was a female that was not in the family that was found in the basement buried under, like, a kiln or a furnace or something like that. So basically, we're like, the whole. The whole gist of it was, which family member and why would they kill this random person?

[Elena]

And.

[Sam]

And what's the relation to the family?

[Colby]

Yeah, and they were. They were stepbrothers, too, like you were saying. Like, the first wife had just the oldest son, but then he remarried, and it was the other two. And so there was already kind of some conflict when Ellen died. Everybody had to figure out who gets the mansion.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Colby]

And so obviously, Frank being the oldest son is just, like.

[Elena]

It shouldn't be me.

[Colby]

It should be me. But Stuart and Edward, Edward's the youngest, also were fighting over it. But Edward ended up being the one who got it. And not to make things more confusing, but after he, like, acquired it, I guess, like in the early 1900s, like 1902 specifically, it turned into, like, a boarding home to where now not just its family history is there, but now there's a bunch of random people just using this house.

[Elena]

Debauchery.

[Colby]

Yeah. From random things like gambling, whatever.

[Elena]

Yep. Yeah, all the things.

[Colby]

All the things.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Sam]

So I think what's so interesting is how complex that lineage is and everything like that. Like, how many family members are a part of it versus not versus how many wives. All these different things. It just makes it so much more impressive of how accurate all these readings were from the psychics. Like, talking about SK and all this stuff is really, really interesting. But then one other aspect, which I think we were getting at, is it said that, like, 17 spirits are haunting this house.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Sam]

But a lot of people believe that there is some sort of non human spirit in the basement, which could be, like you said, maybe tricking people and.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Sam]

Saying, I am SK and stuff like that. Which obviously just throws a wrench and everything.

[Elena]

Ye.

[Ash]

Well, then Patty was saying too, like, there's a. What was she calling him?

[Elena]

A creeper.

[Ash]

A creeper. She's saying there's a creeper and, like, he keeps, like, poking his head out and then, like, fall. But he's following us, but he doesn't want us to know. So that threw me for a loop too. I was like, I don't know. I just. My, like, intuition is saying, like, it wasn't SK that was victimizing you.

[Elena]

Damn.

[Colby]

You know, which is crazy because if it was the murderer who was, like, victimizing. That's so. Like, that's even scary.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Colby]

Because he did. He told us. He was just like. Like, like if it was him, he was just like, it's somebody in the family, but I can't tell you who.

[Ash]

Right.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Colby]

Which would make sense because he wouldn't want to rat himself.

[Ash]

And it's like, maybe SK like, he probably knows in the afterlife, but he wasn't alive whenever this happened, so.

[Sam]

Yeah. Correct.

[Ash]

You know, Exactly. It is interesting.

[Colby]

Which means do you think the creeper that Patty saw was this negative entity instead of the murderer? It was just like, a. A negative.

[Sam]

Well, I think she was saying that he was a human spirit and he was just, like, lingering around to see if we're gonna figure it out.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Sam]

I think she was saying it was one of the stepbrothers.

[Colby]

Interesting.

[Ash]

But so do you feel like it was Frank, like, trying to see if.

[Elena]

We were gonna figure it out?

[Sam]

Could have been, yeah.

[Elena]

Or it was. Frank was the one answering. And the creeper was like, Edward or Stuart. Yeah, I hope it was Stuart.

[Colby]

Yeah, Stuart doesn't get talked about.

[Elena]

So handsome.

[Ash]

No, I think Stuart. That was Edward.

[Elena]

No, that was Stuart. She said.

[Ash]

Oh, I thought she said Edward.

[Elena]

Yeah, she said that was Stuart. Oh, okay.

[Colby]

Yeah.

[Sam]

The little picture that we saw.

[Elena]

Oh, my God, look, man.

[Ash]

Whoever that was was adorable.

[Elena]

I could see him just peeking around. Figure it out.

[Ash]

Yeah. Being like, hey, my brother was such an.

[Elena]

Figure it out. Sorry. Being a creep.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Sam]

Yeah. I think it was really, really cool to see what pieces of the puzzle we were able to find out through all different psychics.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Sam]

And I think the main thing we figured out with Patty was this idea of protecting the secret, which I think became a huge core, like, storyline for the entire thing is like, they would not give up the secret because they were afraid of their image.

[Elena]

Yeah. Image came up so much.

[Ash]

Patty kept saying that specific word, and.

[Elena]

It went through the rest of the psychics, too. They kept saying the image.

[Sam]

They were like, okay, we have this, like, really, like, high end family, and we're the kings of the town. We have this big business. We want to seem like we have everything figured out, and if we had this, like, turmoil with our family and, like, some of our, like, you know, sons are bad apples. That's bad.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Sam]

And so it's like, yes, like, I'll give you enough that it was in the family, but I don't want to talk about who it was or. Or how it went down, because I didn't want to sacrifice this, like, you know, image they had.

[Ash]

Right, right.

[Elena]

It's so true.

[Sam]

Which is really, really interesting.

[Colby]

And then what's wild, too, like, kind of like a side note from, like, that sort of plot. So we went upstairs, and you guys had been to the Ska Pierce mansion before, and in a specific room, there was something dramatic happened where she, Patty, was like, there's definitely a portal in here.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Ash]

And we had already been told there's a portal in there.

[Sam]

Yeah.

[Ash]

So that's on the third floor.

[Elena]

It's on the third floor in the back. The game room.

[Ash]

Yep. The billiards room.

[Elena]

And it's where they used to, like, you know, debauch. Yeah.

[Ash]

The guys. I thought it was gambling. Exactly. Dylan kept bringing up gambling.

[Elena]

Yeah. That used to happen in there. And that was billiard room, game room.

[Ash]

Yeah. Big thing in there. Yeah.

[Elena]

And there's like a big walk in closet in that room. And there's like stories that like really bad things used to happen in that closet. Especially with like women that they would bring into the house. Yeah.

[Ash]

Cuz women weren't allowed in the room unless they were brought into the room. So that tells you everything.

[Elena]

They weren't there by their own consent.

[Colby]

Right.

[Elena]

And when we went the last time we walked into that room and immediately.

[Ash]

Were like, all of us felt off.

[Elena]

This is off. And then we went in the.

[Ash]

I think I didn't go in the closet.

[Elena]

You didn't go in? I went in. I think Payne went in.

[Ash]

I think Sabrina went in.

[Elena]

I think Sabrina went in and all of us were like, like, this feels yucky in here. I was like, I don't want to be in here at all. Like I really got.

[Ash]

It felt like suffocated. Like you felt like short of breath.

[Elena]

Yeah. We were all feeling really gross about it. And I think later we came back to it and it was still like something was off. I think we had like something was happening with our light. Remember the camera was like, oh yeah. Making something happen.

[Ash]

Yeah, it was something like pain was looking and there was like a white grid of light. Yeah.

[Sam]

It was weird.

[Elena]

Yeah. It was very strange. And it was only happening in certain places. And so when we came in here with Patty, immediately her saying, like, there's a portal in here. We were like, yeah. And then she starts saying, like, there's good, like good energy and bad. Or like it feels good, but it feels bad at the same time. Which like, makes so much sense because.

[Ash]

There was so much celebration and celebration.

[Elena]

Well, there's so many men having so many pleasurable experiences in there, but there's a lot of women who are having terrible experiences in there. So it's like when she said that, I was like, that's literally what happened in the scene.

[Colby]

It's a balance.

[Elena]

It was like every bit 50, 50.

[Ash]

And I think all three of them said something about cigars. And I think SK was like big on cigars because they're throughout the house. But specifically they were smoked in that room.

[Elena]

Yeah. That was interesting. All three. The psychic said, like, I smell cigar smoker. I feel cigar. Like cigar business.

[Ash]

I feel cigar vibes.

[Sam]

Cigar vibes.

[Colby]

Yeah. I remember specifically too, like Patty, maybe it wasn't on the third floor, could be wrong, but like the second floor, she kept being like, it's like hard to breathe and like, I Just want to like speak. But it sounds like I'm being like silen silence or whatever. It feels like I'm being silenced. And so I wonder if that was like her like feeling the women who wanted to speak up back in the day.

[Ash]

Yeah, probably.

[Elena]

Because it seems like it was a theme in that house that especially women were silenced. Yeah.

[Sam]

Or like we got with Patty, like controlled.

[Elena]

Yes.

[Sam]

We went up to the third floor, we went to the quote unquote servants room. And she got a lot about like, oh, I feel like people were silenced. People were controlled in this room. They were doing things against their will.

[Elena]

Yeah. She even brought up like possible like, like drugged or something like that. Like that kind of feeling.

[Ash]

Yeah, she said like feeling like I'm in an altered state, but like it wasn't my decision. I think she said.

[Elena]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sam]

Which is really creepy.

[Ash]

That was terrifying.

[Elena]

And that was where. Because that's supposedly where like the 16 year old girl was staying and I think another girl, right?

[Ash]

Yeah, I think there was two maids, right.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Ash]

That lived in that room.

[Colby]

Susan and Sarah.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Colby]

And Susan was the, the 16 year old girl who was also like a prime suspect or victim.

[Elena]

Yeah. I thought she might be the pelvic bone.

[Colby]

Yeah, the pelvic bone girl.

[Elena]

And when we were in there with Patty and she was using the dowsing rods, they like flicked over to you really fast.

[Sam]

Yeah.

[Ash]

That was the weirdest experience, like one of the weirdest experiences I've had. Because I think when we walked in there, she was talking about like feeling pressure in her head. And as she was saying it, I felt it, but I was like, maybe this is like a placebo effect. Like I think I'm just feeling pressure.

[Sam]

Yeah.

[Ash]

And then. And she was trying to talk to whoever was in there and we felt like it was like a young person. And I like, I love kids and I think the last time we were on the USS Salem, like I got followed by a kid. Yeah, you did.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Ash]

I was like, I don't know, like I'll just say something in my head. I was like, like, you're safe here with us. And the dowsing rods flicked to me in that moment and she said.

[Elena]

What'd she say?

[Ash]

Like she just grabbed onto you or.

[Elena]

Like she just jumped over to you.

[Ash]

Jumped over to you. And it was like they flicked at me right as I thought that in my head. And she said it.

[Elena]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ash]

And then she was trying to get more information and I said something else in my head and she said, like she grabbed on tighter. Like something like that.

[Sam]

Yeah. Multiple times.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Sam]

Where you're like, you're gonna be all right. And I think the second time is like, I got you.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Sam]

Right after you said I got you, like flicked over and I was like, oh, they're over with you now.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Sam]

It was really interesting.

[Ash]

It was weird cuz I didn't like feel anything on my body or anything like that. But having the confirmation of the dowsing rods like flick at me, that was.

[Elena]

Yeah. Because how could she have known that? That.

[Colby]

Yeah.

[Elena]

In your head.

[Ash]

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[Colby]

These.

[Sam]

My favorite part of the whole Patty investigation was the machant. You know.

[Ash]

Oh my God the mach was I felt bad cuz I was like I'm taking it seriously but it just sounded so silly that I'm cracking up on camera.

[Sam]

I left I think that's like, kind of the point. It's like you're putting so much energy that it is kind of like light releasing all the. Basically, we were screaming for, like, two minutes.

[Ash]

Whoever was downstairs was probably, like, what? They.

[Elena]

They were like, we heard you guys screaming up there.

[Ash]

Really? Yeah.

[Sam]

That was insane. I've never done anything like that. It was cool. It definitely brought up the energy, for sure.

[Colby]

Yeah.

[Ash]

And she said that it will, like, bring more spirits out. And it definitely felt like it did. Because in the beginning, it felt like we were kind of only talking to SK Maybe, and then the, like, girl in that room. But then when, like, the rest of the psychics came in, we definitely got more. I felt like, yeah, for sure.

[Elena]

Because we heard some, like, weird noises, like, shuffling noises happening. We were trying to follow it, but we couldn't find where it was happening, which.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Colby]

Full disclosure. Like, there was a guide downstairs. And then.

[Sam]

For the first half.

[Colby]

Yeah, for the first half. Then she left, like, during Mystic Dylan. But also our producer was bringing the psychics there and back. So, like, we were a little confused at beginning if, like, it was that person or not the guide. But after Dylan left, the noises, I.

[Elena]

Feel like they just stopped going.

[Sam]

Yeah.

[Ash]

Yeah. Particularly when we were in the fire room, I think we were, like, really going. And you had texted your producer and you were like, was that you? And some of it was, but not all of it. You said.

[Elena]

Right.

[Colby]

Yeah. He just said, like, oh, the owners were just leaving. Like, it should be quiet now.

[Ash]

But we heard more.

[Colby]

Yes, there was more, like, right after.

[Sam]

That, for a long period of time. Because every single time we tried to start talking. Yeah.

[Elena]

It was every time Dylan would try to speak that all of a sudden it would sound like craziness was happening.

[Sam]

Let's talk about Dylan. This is.

[Elena]

Yeah, we gotta move to Dylan.

[Sam]

Insane.

[Ash]

First of all, the second he walked, you and I, I think, like, shared a telekinesis.

[Elena]

We were both like, I love him. Yeah.

[Colby]

Like.

[Elena]

Like, as soon as he walked in.

[Ash]

I was like, like, new best friend unlocked.

[Elena]

Love him a lot.

[Sam]

Yeah. His look and his demeanor was awesome.

[Elena]

Oh, he's so charming. I love him.

[Sam]

So apparently he had studied, like, a specific version of cleromancy and, like, mediumship in Egypt.

[Elena]

In New Orleans, too.

[Sam]

And New Orleans voodoo and all that stuff.

[Ash]

Interia, Right?

[Sam]

Yeah, it was. It was really interesting. Something we had never even heard of before.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Sam]

Much less like, you know, what are we going to. If we're gonna. And to be quite honest, I was highly skeptical. Just as we Were talking about this when we first, like, like, talked about this with our, like, creative team. Like, is this even a good idea? Like, I don't know if it's genuinely possible at all for. For this to work. But they assured us that, like, the reason why Mystic Dylan is blowing up is because his readings are so incredibly accurate. Right. All right, well, let's give it a try to do it. The whole point of this video is to test the psychic, so, like, why not? Let's see it. And so we immediately go upstairs to the wife's room, the second wife's room, Ellen. And they called it the red room because all of the wallpaper was red. And he was like, let's immediately do a session right here on her bed. And that, I think, was the highlight of.

[Elena]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Colby]

I agree.

[Elena]

The first time he tossed everything, I was like, whoa.

[Sam]

No expectation at all. Like, what's going to happen. He basically got all these bones and totems and in. I don't know. And then threw him onto the bed, onto this map. And within this one toss, he basically explained everything to a T. About the story of the S.K. pierce man.

[Ash]

Yeah. The pelvis bone that he. Which he had, a pelvic bone, first of all, was nuts.

[Elena]

Like an animal. Pelvic bone.

[Ash]

An animal one.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Ash]

And it went right into the center, so it was, like, the center of our story. I was like. I just remember, like, slowly backing up and just being like, this just can't be real.

[Elena]

He even had, like, a totem that had, like, you know, playing card symbols on it that were, like, the gambling things. He had, like, a bunch of, like, little penis totems.

[Sam]

He, like, something about this murder has to do with sex or something like.

[Colby]

That or anything like that.

[Ash]

And then there was even, like, a frog on its back. And he said, like, the frog represented fertility, but because it was on its.

[Elena]

Back, it was like, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sam]

Something to do with fertility. Fertility stuff.

[Colby]

That was my favorite part of the entire night because I was just watching, like, all of our faces. And, like, I'm, like, hidden in a hoodie. Like, I look over at you two, and you're both just, like, backing away, like, mind blown. And, like, Dylan has no idea, like, that. We're freaking out so much. He's just like, yeah, no, because again, like, it's not like he's just, like, pulling this out of nowhere. Like, he's. He's reading what he threw out.

[Sam]

Right?

[Colby]

And so he's just like, well, this looks like this. And we're just all reacting thing, like.

[Ash]

Trying not to confirm.

[Sam]

There's a lot of. This is, like, a family house with, like, a lot of spirits that are in the family here, but there was a murder of someone outside the family, you see over here. And it seems like there was. Oh, the dice says two. There's two wives, and one was much younger than the other one.

[Colby]

And we're like, what.

[Elena]

What's going on right now?

[Ash]

I can't believe this.

[Elena]

A dice. Like, how do you throw a two? Yeah. And then be like, yeah, there's two wives, two wise.

[Sam]

Like, he said one was more like.

[Elena]

A matronly energy, like, older.

[Colby]

Yes.

[Elena]

And then the other one's, like, more energetic and more like. And he's, like, youthful and age.

[Ash]

And we were like, he's like.

[Sam]

And then, like, off to the corner over here, it says, like, there's one thing about this house that is, like, a. A message that isn't uncovered yet. Right?

[Elena]

Yeah. He was like, it's like. Like a mystery. And we were like, that's exactly what we're doing.

[Sam]

Like, what happening at this point, we had not told him anything. And so it's just like, okay, on your very first throw, you just get all the history. Right. All right, cool.

[Elena]

Well, let's figure this out, see what happens.

[Sam]

And he's, like, smelling of, like, smoke, and he's like, huh, I don't know. What. What is that smell? Perfume and smoke or whatever. And Colby, like, oh, let's go with this. Let's. The other room. Let's just, I don't know, do another. Another reading. And immediately his, like, first throw was on, like, the same map, but he put out some. Some cards with symbols, and, like, this promise ring was landed right on a fire. And what's crazy is, in that specific room, out of all of the different things and deaths that happen, that was the only room that someone died because of a fire. Yep. He did not know this. We didn't tell him that anything. And it literally had a symbol of a guy who died that was not part of the family.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Sam]

From a fire. And it was like, wait, what am I looking at right now? Like, how is this possible?

[Colby]

Which, to your point, like, it's kind of hard to describe this mat, but there was basically a circle, and then, like, a bunch of, what, little symbols on it.

[Ash]

Right.

[Colby]

And then. So when he threw all the bones, like, most of them, like, basically 95% of them went into, like, the center of the circle, but then only the ones you were talking about, like, this Totem pole sort of looking symbol thing. And then like a skeleton, then like a promise ring, and then like a card that had fire on it.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Colby]

Like, which was basically just saying like, hey, it's not part of this story that you guys are looking to find out. But literally on the outside. And then we realized that in the time that was a boarding house, that there was a guy named Eno Sari who was a mechanic. And he one night came home super drunk, was smoking a cigarette and lit himself on fire and actually died of smoke inhalation. So he also suffocated, which makes sense why Patty was like, I feel like, can't breathe. And then Dylan was also like, I smell smoke up here.

[Ash]

And we all smelled smoke too, which was wild.

[Elena]

When we walked into that room, it was like a bonfire smell like shot up my nose. Yeah. It was insane.

[Ash]

You have a deviated septum, you can't smell shit.

[Elena]

Yeah. So that was wild.

[Ash]

Yeah, it was crazy.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Ash]

And it was funny too because he was like, you could almost see. He was like. Cause it was so clear and he was like, like, I'm not necessarily saying like somebody died by fire, but like.

[Elena]

It looks like somebody died from fire.

[Ash]

We were like, no, like someone died by fire.

[Sam]

Yeah, we were trying so hard not.

[Ash]

To be like you guys, but also.

[Sam]

Like, oh, keep going, keep going.

[Ash]

Well, and then we went downstairs and that was when he threw. I forget like what we were asking. We were just trying to get like a little deeper into it. And that was when one of the bones went on the floor. And he was like, oh, something wants us to go in the bed basement.

[Elena]

And he was like, I'm not going in the basement.

[Ash]

We hadn't said like anything to him about like, well, they found a pelvic.

[Elena]

Bone in the basement.

[Ash]

And like that is ultimately where we're gonna end up tonight. And he like, he was like, I'm not going down there. Like, I do not want to go down there. But something wanted us to. Uh huh.

[Colby]

And like, not to like confuse people. But going back in the video, Patty also in that same room was like, I don't know what it is, but there's something like with the fireplace.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Colby]

And so even though it wasn't in that specific room, the pelvic bone was found. Found the 16 year old girl in the furnace downstairs. And so her and Dylan's findings like actually match up right there.

[Ash]

Yeah, that was crazy.

[Colby]

Crazy.

[Ash]

And she said, she was like, that's, I think, like, well, where you're gonna find your Next clue.

[Elena]

And we did, which we did find it.

[Sam]

It was wild how they all like synced up. It was like we needed multiple parts of the story to really understand like who this person was and, and who the killer was. And it was was like little pieces from each investigation all coincided and told the whole story together.

[Elena]

Yeah, it really did.

[Sam]

But since so many things overlapped, definitely wild.

[Elena]

It was crazy.

[Ash]

It really was. I'm trying to think if there was anything else like huge that Dylan said. There was just so many things that were like spot on with him.

[Sam]

One thing that I thought was really interesting was the time that he wasn't doing his cleromancy. He was walking around at the front. And we didn't know this at the time, but like he pointed out a little piece of the history that like apparently it was like more recent. And he kept looking over the pianos and he's like, there's a guy that really likes to play the piano and he really likes sitting there and just like washing over people and stuff. But yeah, just an older man. And then like later on throughout the night we went and asked the caretaker and she gave us a sheet of paper and right there, there's a guy named James that they are seeing recently that plays the piano and watches over people.

[Elena]

And it's like he just did that casually.

[Sam]

Yeah. And that was just walking around.

[Ash]

That was like such a, like random detail of the story, you know, like.

[Sam]

It didn't have anything to do with the story really. It was just kind of like, oh, here's another ghost.

[Elena]

Right?

[Sam]

It was just feeling that off in the distance. I was like, how do you. Like that's so specific and, and like how do we know that that's even part of it? At first we were like, we haven't heard of anything like that. That lo and behold, we go and do a little more research. Boom.

[Ash]

Right there.

[Colby]

What? And I do want to like, what was interesting about that is like at that point the caretaker had left like when we were upstairs. And so we actually found that just from like an information packet that was on like the kitchen table. Sam and I did a lot of research on this place and had no idea there was like a James character that was this piano player until we were just like, we're taking a little break. Like read through this. Pack it a James who loves to play piano.

[Elena]

What?

[Ash]

Like boom.

[Elena]

He had said it crazy.

[Ash]

It was funny too. Cuz at first I was like, that doesn't really have anything to do with anything. And then I was like, oh, it does.

[Sam]

Like, oh, not our specific story, but the story of the ghost series.

[Colby]

Yeah.

[Elena]

Yeah. And that's when. That's when we had Ashley come in. Yep.

[Colby]

Yep.

[Ash]

And we took her story thing immediately to the basement. She was so down for anything. She walked in, like, you guys introduced us. You kind of told her, like, what we were doing. And you were like, so we're going to the basement. And she was like, all right. Like, where is it? Let's go. I was like, damn.

[Elena]

And she just started right away.

[Ash]

Like, she went into it.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Ash]

We, like, went through all the rooms down there. We get down, and immediately in the room where there's the furnace, she goes, don't like that room. Like, immediately she knew.

[Sam]

Yeah. Like, she looked at the corner exactly. Where the girl supposedly was, like, buried, and she's like, I don't like that corner. It's like the entire base is. It's like, seven rooms downstairs, huge basement. And she points exactly to it. It's like, no, right there. I'm like, okay, yeah. What is going on?

[Ash]

She also opened her door at one point and just went, nope. And then closed it. I was like, what's in there?

[Colby]

I know.

[Elena]

What did you. That was like a clock.

[Ash]

She didn't tell us. We just moved on. I was like, you know what? We don't need to know.

[Elena]

Yeah, that's fine.

[Colby]

Move on.

[Sam]

When she says no to a. To a door, you're like, all right, I'll.

[Elena]

It means no.

[Sam]

It's fine. We don't need to mess with it. But then she's like, okay, well, my main thing is, like, ritual. So you guys want to start off with, like, a ritual? And was like, that's cool. Let's do it. She pulls out this mat. She's like, don't look at the mat.

[Elena]

Oh, my God.

[Ash]

And then all you want to do is look at the mat.

[Elena]

I could not stop staring at that, but I kept looking at it and being like, stop looking at it. I was so scared that I was going to, like, go do a trance.

[Ash]

I love it, though. She's like, don't look at it.

[Elena]

Yeah. She was like, don't look at it too long.

[Sam]

If you look at these symbols, you're going to fall into a trance.

[Ash]

I know.

[Sam]

I was scared. Okay.

[Colby]

It was a giant, like, circular. It kind of.

[Sam]

Of.

[Colby]

Yeah. It almost looked like it was like a big, like, pentagram thing, but it just. It was just like a giant, like, black circle with, like, one big symbol. Moon.

[Elena]

Moon kind of thing.

[Colby]

Yeah. A bunch of, like, moon Banana looking things.

[Sam]

Yeah. Literally.

[Ash]

And before she laid it out, she looked at me and Elena and she's like, what are your signs? We, like, told her.

[Elena]

I was so scared. I was like, capricorn.

[Ash]

She goes, okay, you'll be fine. And I was like, what?

[Sam]

Yeah, it's like, would I not be fine?

[Elena]

Is that what else? Yeah, I think she said, like, if you were water signs, it would probably. And you were like.

[Ash]

And I was like, I'm a Pisces moon.

[Elena]

I have a water moon. Is that all right? She's like, like, that's cool.

[Colby]

You're chilling.

[Elena]

Oh, my God.

[Colby]

Yeah. We had never done that sort of. I guess you can call it, like, exercise or ritual with her before. So that was new to us, by the way. I don't know if we explained that, but yeah. She basically had us all stand into the mat and then plug one nostril.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Colby]

And breathe in slowly nine times. And then she. After we did that, like, obviously we were, like, woozy a little bit. Yeah.

[Ash]

It gets you into, like, a state for sure.

[Elena]

Huh.

[Colby]

And then she just said, now just start, like, close your eyes and start saying, like, what comes to. To mind.

[Sam]

That worked really well for you, Ash, Right?

[Ash]

Yeah, it worked so well that I was, like, doubting myself, though. What happened? At one point, I got a pain in my side and my right side, and I was like, I have a pain. And she goes, what side? I said, right. She goes, me too. I was like, okay. And then I saw. So I saw the name Kathleen flash in my head, but I just said I saw the letter K. Because I was like, I don't want to sound like an idiot if it's like, not Kathleen.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Ash]

So I was like, I saw a K. And she was like, okay, you guys saw stuff too. You saw fingernails.

[Elena]

Yeah. And I think I'm like, full transparency. I'm thinking about it now, and I'm like, it might have just been like. Like the weird little, like, things when you close your eyes and you can, like, kind of see shapes.

[Colby]

Oh, yeah.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Elena]

You know, if you, like, close your eyes and you just kind of sit there for a second. I was like, I don't know. It kind of looks like fingers. No.

[Ash]

But it could be something.

[Elena]

But I don't know.

[Ash]

Should have been, like, dragged down there.

[Elena]

Because after that I was like, I don't see anything.

[Ash]

Yeah, you guys saw some stuff too. Like.

[Sam]

Yeah, I wasn't. Because I was filming. I was, like, not doing the whole thing as much, so I didn't. I don't even think I saw anything. But you did.

[Colby]

I remember you said, like, I see, like, fire.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Colby]

And then I saw a tear on a cheek. Yeah, yeah, I remember that. But I can't remember what else I saw, to be honest. It was only like, a minute that we were throwing fire.

[Ash]

It was rapid fire, literally. Yeah.

[Colby]

So I don't know.

[Elena]

She asked me how I was with meditation before we did that, and I was like, I have no experience. I was like, I am the most. I'm so stressed.

[Ash]

I took a witchy class recently, and we would do, like, a couple meditations every class. So I weirdly got good at it. So I do feel. Feel like I tapped in for sure.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Sam]

You were like, that is the purpose of it. It's like if she wanted us to become in a trance.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Sam]

Like, have that intuitiveness.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Sam]

And that's how a lot of these investigative methods, like, occur is like, we're supposed to be in a trance. You're supposed to be open to the spirits, communicate through you.

[Elena]

Right. Because otherwise you will second guess.

[Sam]

Yeah, exactly.

[Elena]

I was second guessing myself.

[Sam]

And if you're open to things.

[Ash]

Not to, though.

[Elena]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sam]

I mean, the same thing like we're talking about, too, a lot is like, kids versus adults. Like, if you're like, I don't know, I'm doubting myself all the time. Versus kids are more open to things. And so, like, when you put yourself in a trance, you are, like, a little more open and susceptible to influence. And so when you feel something, you really can actually, like, understand and go with that gut feeling as opposed to, like, turning it off.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Sam]

And being like, nah, we gotta face reality.

[Elena]

Right, Right. Yeah.

[Sam]

Which is really interesting because what did this case had have to do?

[Ash]

Yeah. So then we moved back into the furnace room, and she's. Ashley started doing tarot. And we were really trying to determine a name, and we hadn't. We had a name at first that we thought it was.

[Sam]

Well, she said she got a gut feeling. That was Catherine.

[Ash]

Catherine. That's what it was.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Ash]

So we asked the tarot, and the tarot said no. And then I was like, okay, like, I'll put myself on the line here. Was it Kathleen? And she goes, yes. And I was like, that was like a crazy moment. I was like, oh, wow. I should have said that back there.

[Sam]

Because that was the original thing that you saw. Not a cat. Kathleen.

[Ash]

I saw Kathleen, like, in, like, flash in my head. But it's also my grandma's name. And we've been taking care of Her. So I was like, maybe I'm, like, influenced somehow.

[Sam]

Maybe.

[Elena]

Yeah, you were second guessing. But I was so easy to.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Colby]

Yeah.

[Ash]

So she was like, yes, it is.

[Sam]

So we confirmed that the girl who was, like, possibly murdered and thrown down there was Kathleen, which is really interesting.

[Colby]

Different than Susan, who we thought, yeah, potentially could have been obstructed theirs. But yeah, to kind of, like, paint a picture for, like, the people, like, listening. We didn't know that you could just do yes or no answers using tarot, but, yeah, she still used the entire deck. And then with intention, we would just ask the question each. Any of us could have asked the question. And she, like, put down a bunch of cards and still was able to, like, flip a certain one. That was like, yes or no.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Colby]

So it was, like, direct.

[Ash]

That was crazy. What was it? It was like she said the major arcana was the yes or no. And then when we wanted to get more specific, she put, like, the full deck in. And she had this cool thing where, like, she lays out the cards and then she tops them on one another and then she flips them, which I was like, that's so cool.

[Elena]

Yeah. And there was one point where, like, I noticed she, like, she went to grab one and it, like, stayed, and she grabbed it. She. And she literally said, don't block me, and then grabbed it. And I was like, you tell them.

[Sam]

She's awesome. She's like, no, I'm not gonna take. We got this.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Sam]

And that right there in that circle is where you got touched.

[Elena]

Yeah, that's where I got to. And I. I almost second guessed myself of, like, am I just being freaked out? But it was so strong when you.

[Ash]

Jumped, and I made, like, a.

[Elena]

Like a visceral movement with it that I was like, I need to say what just happened?

[Ash]

And Ashley said. She was like, what just happened? Like, she caught it.

[Elena]

Yeah. It was crazy.

[Ash]

And then we all, like, set more intentions. We were like, you cannot touch us. I got so weirdly protective of you in that moment. I was like, don't touch her.

[Elena]

And actually, in the other room, when we were doing the meditation, she said something about brownish red hair.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Elena]

Like, she had already. And I clocked it because I was like, damn, that's the third one that has said that.

[Sam]

So all three psychics called out the red hair.

[Elena]

All of them did. Because I made sure to, like, remember that.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Elena]

Because then when she brought it up again, when I said I got touched, and she was like, well, because you look like her, I was like, oh, you did already say that.

[Ash]

I'll never be over the way she was like, yeah, well, like, you look like her.

[Sam]

Yeah, I was just like, oh, so casual. Like as if she just knew.

[Colby]

It's like what she's talking about the victim though, right?

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Colby]

So that means just so it's not confusing. S.K. pierce's first wife had red hair. And this 16 year old girl had red hair.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Sam]

Okay.

[Elena]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. By thinking that it's not SK Upstairs with Patty like you're saying, and it's actually the guy who did it.

[Ash]

That's why I thought that exactly. Once we got to that, that would mean his.

[Elena]

This. We're getting into mommy issues here. His mom had red hair and his mistress.

[Ash]

Well, that makes sense because to kill, you usually have mommy issues.

[Colby]

So did you just give away who the murder was too? If you guys remember? I mean, that's what we asked.

[Ash]

I mean, we're about to be there. Yeah, yeah. So we thought. Some of us thought it was Edward.

[Elena]

Right?

[Colby]

I thought it was Edward.

[Ash]

You thought it was Edward. I initially felt for youngest. You felt Frank.

[Sam]

And the reason why we got that is because Patty originally had confirmed that it was part of the family.

[Elena]

Family.

[Sam]

But it wasn't SK and we knew it was a girl that was murdered. And we got from Dylan that it was a lover or mistress.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Sam]

So we were like, okay, so if there was a murder, it had to be a guy and it had to be a part of the family that lived at the house. So there's only really three suspects at that point. And so that's why we're down to like those two.

[Ash]

So we asked if it was Edward. It was a no. We asked if it was Frank, and it was a yeah. Yes. And that's actually interesting because that goes back to something Patty said when she was saying, like she wasn't sure if it was one of the brothers. She felt like it was like a distant family member. But I almost wonder if she got that feeling because, like, SK Built the mansion for his wife, but then she passed away and like barely lived there. And then he married Ellen and had two kids. So that was kind of like a new family. And Frank was on the outskirts of that. So I do wonder if that's why Patty got that feeling.

[Colby]

The stepbrothers outcast.

[Sam]

Outcasted.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Sam]

And he also didn't get any, like, partaking in like mansion in the state. So it's like, okay, he's also outcasted there. Yeah, that's Interesting.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Elena]

Damn.

[Colby]

Then we started diving deep into, like, okay, well, then who was Frank as a person? And this is when we stopped the yes or no questions and actually started getting details. And every single one was like, this guy sucks.

[Elena]

Literally.

[Ash]

It was like, the lover. Y.

[Sam]

He's a cheater. He had, like, you know, just a bad past. He got into trouble a lot. Which is really, really interesting because at the beginning, Patty was saying that she believes that whoever did it, whoever had killed this girl, had a past, maybe killing again, but definitely a troubled past where they had, you know, dabbled and maybe got in trouble with the law, those types of things. So again, another overlap of the multiple psychics.

[Elena]

And that he had, like, chances to be a better person along the way, but he chose not to. Yeah, that was interesting.

[Ash]

And then we got kind of into the motive for killing, and we actually. I think we asked Kathleen, did you. Did whoever this was know you were pregnant? And she said, no, they didn't. And that basically we found out that it seemed like she was just gonna make their relationship public.

[Elena]

She was gonna expose it to the wife.

[Ash]

She was gonna expose it to the wife, and that's when they came up with this plan to murder her.

[Colby]

And going back to Dylan, he. He threw the frog on its back, which is fertility, like, symbol. Yeah, it all makes sense.

[Ash]

All of it does. And he.

[Elena]

He kept saying, like, there's a dark romance here. Like, there's some kind of dark, dark romance. Like, I don't.

[Sam]

So with Patty, we understood, like, who the killer was. It had to be part of the family, and that there was some sort of, like, darker entity there. And then with Dylan, we understood, like, the. The nuance of the. The killing. Like, it was a mistress who, like, you know, got found out by the wife. And then with Ashley, we found out the name, and then, like, how it all went down. So it's like all the different pieces of the puzzle with three different psychics. It was really interesting.

[Colby]

And they never met each other.

[Ash]

You have to say that to that point.

[Sam]

Yeah.

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[Elena]

So then we end the IT reuniting method in the basement with all of them.

[Ash]

Yeah, yeah, that one.

[Elena]

I'm so interested to watch back.

[Ash]

I'm so interested too because we were blindfolded and had headphones on. So I was like, I don't know what happened.

[Elena]

Yeah, Colby and Ash did like had the actual like headphones on.

[Sam]

Yeah. About sensory deprivation. So not only were they blindfolded, they also couldn't hear anything. And all they were hearing was this, the static of a spirit box go through and possibly like some, some words through the radio. And so you didn't understand our whole conversation, but me and Elena and the three psychics were asking questions and it was a full on conversation that you guys were collaborating on. It wasn't like you were telling a different story than Colby. It was like, you know, it was like Colby would say something and then Ash would follow up and everything would make sense together.

[Elena]

It was shocking.

[Ash]

The only thing I ever heard was just you guys going, oh. Like I couldn't hear Colby. I couldn't hear like the questions you were asking. I just heard like, I was like, damn, like they're freaking out.

[Elena]

Because at one point you said stop. And then Colby said, recording.

[Colby]

That's so crazy. And we were like, oh.

[Elena]

And then I think at one point you said like, stop. And he said, now I got so many stops.

[Ash]

And then like, yeah, and then bye.

[Elena]

It was just saying bye.

[Ash]

You said something about like our time and then you said like eternal or valley.

[Elena]

It was the weirdest one because, like, it was the same idea that you both were just like piggybacking off of each other back and forth.

[Sam]

Know you was like, like time forever, eternal forever.

[Elena]

And you just kept going back and like different words for like, forever. It was like forever, always eternal, never ending. Like, and you, you, each one of you would do one. And I was like, what's happening?

[Ash]

How did you feel during that when that was all happening?

[Colby]

I felt like I was kind of like in like a little bit of a trance. Like my head was like down a little bit and. Yeah, just kind of like a dream state.

[Ash]

Yeah, it felt like I felt weirdly, almost like I was like spinning, but I. Like I wasn't dizzy, if that makes sense. Right?

[Colby]

Yeah, like, almost like a drowsy kind of. I'm not here right now.

[Ash]

Yeah, it was heady for sure. It was weird.

[Elena]

And at one point, one of you said like, you're mine. And then the other one said like, like repeated it or said something similar to it.

[Ash]

And we didn't get like, what.

[Elena]

That we were like, who is fast?

[Ash]

That I like, don't remember the words that came up.

[Colby]

But.

[Sam]

Yeah, I mean, especially when you don't know what they're answering.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Sam]

But what was really interesting about that whole thing was when we were talking to. At the first half, it was like, oh, like, keep my secret, those types of things. Like, I don't want this stuff out. The main gist of our conversation was like, you know, now we figured it out. Like, what's gonna happen? It was just like, no, like, don't do this. Like, get out. Like, it was like really, like again, protecting the image.

[Ash]

The image, the image.

[Sam]

Always protecting the image. What's interesting is like 3, 4 of the way through, it kind of changed energies. It was almost like something else came in and the psychics were like, this is a little darker. And that's when you were like, your mind, it was like, oh, God. Okay, we want to be messing with this.

[Ash]

Oh, God, that's messed up.

[Sam]

So we think like we made contact with not only the Pierce family, but also. So whatever is said to be this like non human entity in the basement. Which is really interesting. The psychics were actually like freaked out.

[Elena]

About this when all their things were going crazy. Like they were doing a pendulum and like the thousand. Like they were doing.

[Sam]

Yeah, a bunch of tools.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Colby]

That's great. I'm so excited to see it.

[Ash]

I know. I can't wait to see that.

[Elena]

I can't wait to watch that.

[Ash]

I told Drew that when I got home too. I was like, I can't wait to.

[Elena]

Show this to you. Because I was like, you didn't get.

[Ash]

To see was crazy.

[Sam]

Yeah, it was funny. Cuz, like, they. All the psychics, like, obviously are very, very into all this. They live and breathe the paranormal, like, just as much or more than we do. And all of them were like, we have never seen an essence method like this.

[Elena]

They all said that they were, like. The fact that they were, like, intelligently kind of Peggy. Backing off of each other is, like, not something that happens.

[Sam]

They were, like, walking away in awe. And at the end, I think. I think it was four or more times, you guys said stop. And they were the ones that were like, guys, they were telling us the psychics.

[Elena]

We're like, one more question.

[Ash]

No, I remember toward the end, I was getting a little freaked out because it just kept saying stop. And I was like.

[Elena]

I said it a few times, and.

[Ash]

The voice that was coming through was like, stop. Like, scary. Yeah. And it was getting more intense every time. So I was about to tap out when whoever tapped me and I jumped out of my skin. But whoever tapped me.

[Sam]

Oh, yeah, my bad.

[Ash]

No, it's all good. But it was. Yeah, that was crazy.

[Sam]

It was a wild one. They. The spirits definitely did not want us to talk about this secret. But I don't know if that was. I don't know who exactly was saying, don't tell the secret. But what they were okay with is they were like, okay, if you think that Kathleen, this. This spirit that might be. Be still there, that had a, you know, pretty rough ending to her life, wanted to leave this place, you guys could help her escape.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Sam]

And so we decided let's end the night, like, let's cleanse everybody in there, and then we'll have Ashley, who's, like, practiced in, like, getting rid of spirits and letting them move on, like, do some sort of, like, ritual, like a cleansing ritual to let the spirit go, which I think was pretty beautiful.

[Ash]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Colby]

It was really, really cool.

[Sam]

Yeah.

[Colby]

She did a giant banishing ritual. It was probably. Probably like 4:00am at this point.

[Sam]

4:30.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Ash]

We left at, like, 3:45.

[Colby]

I think our producers took, like, everybody else, like, back home. You guys drove, which is crazy. But, like. Yeah, this was insane.

[Sam]

This is funny.

[Colby]

So funny.

[Elena]

And we don't even know this. Yeah.

[Ash]

We have no idea anything.

[Colby]

Ashley told us that it was against, like, her code and her, like, order, I guess you could say, for us to, like, include, like, the audio because it was so, like, crazy of this banishing ritual of what she was saying.

[Elena]

Okay.

[Colby]

But she let us film it, and basically, Sam was filming, and I was tasked with holding, like, another sort of shell thing with a bunch of, like, I don't even know what. It was, like, an herb in there. And then.

[Ash]

Was it the pine needles?

[Sam]

Yeah, pine needles that she gave you. And also something else.

[Colby]

Yeah. I don't know. It was like a. Whatever. It was like. Like a big herb or whatever that would help banish. Yeah. Kathleen, I guess. Or, like, save her.

[Sam]

Danish is a crazy word.

[Ash]

Get out of here, Kathleen.

[Sam]

She need help.

[Colby]

But then she also. There was, like, a little rock, like, in the middle of it that she was like. And then at the end, you're just going to stick. We. I had, like, a flame and, like, kind of like a punk or whatever. And she was like, you're going to stick that into the rock, and it's going to, like, make a little boom.

[Elena]

Oh, my God. I would be freaking out.

[Colby]

That's how we ended.

[Sam]

She just described it as, like, a pop. She's like, don't. Don't worry. It's not going to be even that crazy, but just pop.

[Colby]

Like a little pop. And so I was like, okay, like, sounds good. I'm just gonna light this herb and then pop it at the end. And so we're there for, like, probably five minutes, and she's doing, like, reading from a book.

[Sam]

And, like, which was very intense, by the way. Like, screaming into the furnace. And it was really intense.

[Ash]

Even when she blessed us, I was terrified.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Ash]

Because she, like, blessed us so that nothing would follow us home. And even that was scary. And I got holy water in my eye.

[Colby]

Oh, man.

[Elena]

I'm so thankful for it.

[Ash]

I was so thankful for everything.

[Sam]

Your eye is protected.

[Ash]

I know we're good over here.

[Colby]

But, yeah, without giving away, like, what she. She said or whatever, for her sake, basically, it was my turn to light this thing on fire.

[Elena]

Oh, no.

[Colby]

And I was trying to do it, and I couldn't get it to work. I had, like, the punk. And I was like. And she was like, come on, Colby.

[Ash]

Come on.

[Colby]

We're doing a Rachel here. Damn it.

[Elena]

Damn it.

[Colby]

Come on. And she was like, ah. Like, whoever we were talking to, like, like, doesn't want you to do it. I'm gonna do it. So I was like, okay. She grabs it from me, and then obviously, first try, she does it. This thing did not.

[Sam]

It's not a pop, dude.

[Ash]

Is it like an explosion?

[Elena]

Oh, my God.

[Colby]

This was Like a. Like, it, like, went up in flames for, like, five seconds.

[Ash]

It knew you weren't prepared. It was like, Colby is going to freak out with this.

[Colby]

She was going to make me do that.

[Sam]

Picture a flare. Like a. Like a road flare. Like, that's how intense it was.

[Ash]

And you were like, yeah, we are in the house.

[Colby]

I know. We got this on camera. We're still debating if we want to even include this in the main channel video or not. So this could be something that's just exclusive for you guys. We don't know. I'm. God, I'm dying to see this.

[Sam]

I cannot wait.

[Colby]

I know the camera was pointing at me because Sam was filming. Smoke just went everywhere. And I look up and I'm like.

[Ash]

The smoke detectors were right there. Even when she had the incense going.

[Elena]

I was, like, looking nervous about that.

[Colby]

And so you guys can imagine what happened next.

[Ash]

They went off.

[Colby]

Every alarm in the entire house started, and it was like, fire.

[Sam]

It was blaring loud through all three levels of the house.

[Ash]

Did, like, the caretakers come?

[Colby]

Nobody came. Like, the fire department didn't show up. Like, nobody came.

[Ash]

How'd you turn them off? They just turned off on their own.

[Colby]

We ran upstairs, and there was, like, a panel that said fire control or something like that. So we were trying to click reset, but it wouldn't work.

[Sam]

Stop.

[Colby]

And so we went and we just ran around the basement. We found a fan and turned it off. And then, like, we're was just fanning the fire.

[Sam]

Oh, man.

[Elena]

The smoke.

[Colby]

And yeah, it eventually, like, after, like, probably five, ten minutes, it was.

[Sam]

Yeah, at least ten minutes.

[Ash]

That must have been so overwhelming too, because they're so loud.

[Elena]

That was my fear with the incense, because I was looking up and I'm like, if those go off, I'm gonna lose my mind stimulated, and I'm gonna be like, get me out of this place.

[Sam]

It was so loud.

[Colby]

I've never seen. And Ashley, if you're listening, sorry about this. It's just so funny. Like, I've never seen, like, Ashley so, like, scared. She looked at me and she was like, what do we do?

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Colby]

And I was just like.

[Sam]

She, like, sprinted upstairs.

[Colby]

We're like, okay, we're just don't panic. Like, sort of a thing. Cause it was kind of like a. What do we do? Yeah, these bullets shut off. We thought the fire department was gonna.

[Elena]

Oh, my God.

[Ash]

Can you imagine? So did you finish. Did you get to finish the ritual?

[Colby]

It was done like that.

[Ash]

Oh, that was the end.

[Sam]

Was the end of it.

[Ash]

So you finished with a bang.

[Elena]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ash]

I was Kathleen, she was like I'm out of here.

[Elena]

That was big deal.

[Sam]

She's like I'm out of here and you guys should too. Get out.

[Ash]

That's so funny.

[Colby]

That was it. Like we did our own cleansing afterwards and left the house. That was it.

[Elena]

That is bonkers. I'm dying to see that.

[Ash]

I know.

[Sam]

It's just like if four in the morning and three people are running around frantically like what do we do?

[Ash]

That's so funny.

[Elena]

Especially being in the basement. That was have sent me in the orbit.

[Ash]

I probably would have like climbed out the the barred windows, figured a way out.

[Elena]

I was so on edge in that basement. Like that basement did not feel good.

[Sam]

It's creepy.

[Elena]

Especially after being touched in that basement. If those alarms went off, I think I would have died. I would have just went into cardiac.

[Colby]

It was like 4:30am you guys saw the street. It was kind of like a semi busier street.

[Ash]

Yeah.

[Colby]

In the small town. And so we were like afraid that everybody around there could like hear. Yeah, he was loud.

[Sam]

God, we're good. Cleansed as well and dipped out of there. So hopefully Kathleen is good.

[Elena]

I know. I hope so.

[Ash]

I'm interested to see like if the caretakers like experience anything. Yeah, like different makes it feel like. Yeah, different. That makes it feel like she's still there.

[Colby]

Yeah, we'll see.

[Elena]

Cuz Ashley's cleansing felt like it worked. Cuz I didn't feel like I was followed. I thought I was going to come in the house. Cuz it was 5am at that point and it was like pitch black in my house at and it's like dead quiet and I'm like now I have to walk upstairs in like the pitch black and like I'm scared. I wasn't even freaked out. It was weird.

[Ash]

No, I was just gonna say it's so funny cause usually when we get home from things I like stay up a little bit longer and kind of like decompress. Decompress. And like I'm freaked out usually and like on edge. I was not at all.

[Elena]

No.

[Sam]

In fact you slept for 12 hours.

[Ash]

I literally slept.

[Elena]

You knocked.

[Ash]

I got home at 5:15. I ate some spaghetti, I went upstairs and I slept until 4pm Drew was like are you de.

[Elena]

Like no, sorry.

[Sam]

It's just the ghost.

[Elena]

I chugged some water and then got woken up an hour later by my youngest.

[Sam]

I could not imagine like Damn.

[Elena]

But you went back for a little while. I did. John was like, go to sleep. Yeah.

[Sam]

How did that, like, change the way that you guys think about psychics?

[Ash]

I'm still a firm believer.

[Colby]

Oh, yeah. There we go.

[Elena]

I think I still feel the same way where it's like, most of them.

[Sam]

Yeah.

[Elena]

Are. I think, not Right. But I think we got three goodies. I was like, wow, how did we manage to grab three that, like. Because they just. They made so much sense, all their stories. It just didn't feel put on at all. Like, when we. Every single one. After we left them or they left us, I was like, holy. Like, that person was crazy. Like, when we left Ashley at the end, I was like, ashley's, like, the coolest girl I've ever met. I was like, she's such a badass.

[Sam]

100%.

[Ash]

Like, just, like, opening her book.

[Elena]

I was like, damn.

[Ash]

Yeah. She's, like, opening her book and, like, reading in other languages. And then the blessing. She's just, like, saying all these songs like, you're the coolest person ever.

[Elena]

I was so impressed by her. Yeah.

[Colby]

And she's, like, accurate 100 of the time. Like, all the tarot that we've done in previous videos with her all come true.

[Elena]

I know.

[Ash]

I want her to, like, come do a terror. I know.

[Elena]

Like, Ashley, come back.

[Ash]

Yeah, you should.

[Elena]

All of them, though. We were like, all of them. I loved them.

[Colby]

They were all great in their own ways. Yeah, totally.

[Sam]

We were talking about this on the way over. But in terms of psychics, would you guys. If you knew, like, let's say, like, all these psychics are real, would you want to know your future?

[Ash]

I'd want to know some good things, but I wouldn't want to know, like, when I'm gonna die or anything like that.

[Sam]

What do you think your question would be? If you got, like, one question about your life from, like, these psychics?

[Elena]

Because I don't think I would want to know anything. No, nothing. I just wanna.

[Ash]

You just want to live?

[Colby]

I think it's playing God a little bit. I'm Christian, so I'm like.

[Elena]

I just don't wanna, like. I just want to kind of take it as it comes. So I don't. I think if I know I'm gonna be crazy, like, I'm gonna be, like, trying to prepare for it or trying to make something happen. But, yeah, I don't think I would want. I think I would just. I'm trying to think of what the question would be.

[Ash]

I know one question is, like, this is like, two truths and a. Lila, again, I'm like, hold on.

[Sam]

I mean, if you don't want to know maybe certain things, but maybe asking like what's one thing I could, I could change about my future or something that like you need to prepare for or something.

[Elena]

Yeah. Or like what's the happiest, like what's a happy thing that's going to happen in the future? Just like I want to know one.

[Sam]

Good thing, one good thing later in life I can look forward to or something.

[Elena]

Yeah, that would be nice to know. But I think a lot of real psychics and mediums, like it seems to be like a thing among them, like the more accurate they are, they'll tell you. If I'm going to tell you anything, I'm going to tell you the good and the bad. Like you can't pick. Like my husband's family, like they like one of his like great, great, great aunts was like a well known psychic and like helped in police investigations and stuff in Massachusetts and the way she was born. Yeah. There's this like old wives tale or like some lore with psychics that if you're born with like a veil of like, like almost like ectoplasm, you're born like veiled, almost like there's like there's a goop in your face that means you are like you have the gift. And she was born that way and she, and she would only tell you everything. So she would say like I won't tell you.

[Ash]

Like you can't cherry pick.

[Elena]

I won't tell you anything if you're not willing to hear everything.

[Ash]

It's good that she told people that up front though, before they like sat down and got into it. And she's like, well and you're going to die in three days.

[Elena]

So his grandma mother was like, yeah, I don't want to know anything.

[Ash]

Like I don't want to hear.

[Elena]

But like some people wanted to hear things and the things came true.

[Colby]

It's kind of like a mental to me at least. Like I just don't want to know. Like I'd rather just live my life.

[Elena]

That's the thing.

[Ash]

I just want to going to happen anyway, you know.

[Colby]

Exactly. So might as well not like worry about it.

[Ash]

Yeah, it's hard to choose if you.

[Sam]

Would want to know or not.

[Elena]

Yeah, I don't think I feel like.

[Sam]

If you had to know everything versus nothing. Definitely. No, no, no.

[Ash]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sam]

But I feel like if I cherry pick a, a question like that would be interesting.

[Elena]

I agree.

[Ash]

You know, for sure.

[Elena]

Yeah. If I could cherry pick I would do that question. Like what's One really great thing that's gonna happen.

[Ash]

Does Ashley. She tells you the good and the bad or.

[Sam]

Yeah, yeah, we've got some tarot readings that are good and bad.

[Colby]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not going, like, too personally in. In this, but when I met you guys, I had cancer.

[Elena]

Oh.

[Colby]

Yeah, I had cancer. And so, like, like, my. I don't. Obviously, I'm not, like, expecting guys to remember this, but my face was really swollen. I was, like, dealing with, like, a lot of, like, acne, skin issues. And I. I never, like, dealt with that in my entire life. And so something was wrong. Like, my body was reacting and I had no idea what was going on. And the month that I got diagnosed, which was In January of 2023, Ashley came over for the first time, did a tarot card reading. Was just like, this looks really bad. Like, you're about to go through, like, one of the. The scariest moments of your life.

[Elena]

Wow.

[Colby]

Yeah.

[Ash]

I knew that you had gone through that, but I didn't realize it was like, when we met you.

[Sam]

She said that two weeks before.

[Colby]

Said that was gonna happen.

[Elena]

Two weeks before.

[Colby]

Yeah.

[Sam]

Holy shit.

[Colby]

The next six months was, like, a horrible, like, scary experience. But, yeah, for both of us.

[Sam]

What was wild is she called it for six months. She said it'll be about the next half a year.

[Elena]

Wow.

[Sam]

Until you're better. And you were.

[Colby]

Were cancer free.

[Sam]

Cancer free halfway through 2023.

[Colby]

Yeah.

[Ash]

Like, June.

[Colby]

I like, announced in July, but, like, May, June, ish. I was cancer free. And so, yeah, that's why personally, I'm like, I'd rather not know.

[Elena]

You know what I mean? Yeah.

[Ash]

Cause how did you feel hearing that before realizing you were sick?

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[Colby]

Sorry, Ashley. I didn't know if I believed it.

[Ash]

No, I got that.

[Colby]

Yeah. I like, you know, I was like, okay, whatever. That could be, like, cool for, like, the YouTube video or whatever. And then, like, my life's, like, started unfolding literally two weeks later.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Colby]

And, yeah, I was like, whoa, this. Or at least, like, she is real. And like, ever since then, I was like, okay, I'll do tarot card readings and stuff for videos and like, to talk about, like, ghost hunting and stuff like that.

[Ash]

But not for personal stuff.

[Colby]

I don't like doing it personal anymore.

[Elena]

That's a lot to take in, especially when it comes true. It's like, okay, I don't want to know.

[Ash]

I'll just cross that bridge when I get there.

[Colby]

I'm good on that.

[Ash]

How do you feel, Sam? Are you, like, doing them only doing tarot only for videos or will you do it personally too?

[Sam]

I've never gotten any psychic reading or anything like that outside of the video thing. But I'm okay with doing it in videos. I mean, when we did our series for our school, where we stayed a whole week at our school, we actually had Ashley come out and read tarot about the school and our process of opening that for ghost investigations. And what was crazy is everything, the good and the bad, was correct as well with that, even down to weird things like business licenses and things like that. She was discussing, like, how that process is going to work, and it played out exactly how she expected it. And I was like, what? Like, how do you know these things? It's really, really wild.

[Colby]

Yeah, she was saying, like, specifically, she was like, there's a principal entity here which we had already known and like, investigated and stuff like that and told us exactly like, yeah, he's a. He's not evil. He's not a bad guy, but he's very strict and cares a lot about, like, his. His school. And so when you guys take over, you guys are going to have some, like, issues with, like, licensing, like the. The city around it. And we did like on the back, and everything is great now, but she predicted that. And we didn't even know that was going to happen until like, two months later.

[Elena]

Yeah. How would you ever know?

[Colby]

Crazy.

[Sam]

She.

[Elena]

Well, and one thing that you'll see too, that we didn't even mention was we had. In the beginning of the S.K. pierce investigation, we had asked for a word.

[Ash]

Oh, we didn't even touch on that.

[Elena]

And Ashley especially the word was rib. And we just did like a random word generator too. It's not even like it was planned beforehand. And we asked her specifically, is there like a word that the spirits are telling you? And she just asked for how many letters. And it was three letters, obviously. And how many three letters words are there in English? A billion. And she immediately starts doing the tarot cards and she throws one down and says R. And I was like, what are the odds of that? And then in the middle, she was saying I. Yeah. And I.

[Ash]

We were all like.

[Elena]

I was like, is she about to say rib right now?

[Sam]

Yeah, I would have lost my.

[Elena]

And I think she was, like, unsure of the last one, but I was like, I feel like, you know it. I think she, you know it. But something's turned. Trying to like, scramble you or something.

[Sam]

Rig or something like that.

[Elena]

What are the odds how that she got R and I. Yeah.

[Colby]

Insane.

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Colby]

Yeah.

[Elena]

Like that Blew my mind.

[Ash]

Even just the R would have blown my mind. When she went to the I. I was like, what the. Like, even Patty, though, when she walked in, she grabbed her stomach and she started talking about her belly.

[Elena]

I was waiting.

[Ash]

You're about to say rib.

[Colby]

Like, looking at you guys, like, she, like.

[Sam]

I was like, what?

[Elena]

Yeah.

[Sam]

What part of your body? She was like, right. I don't know, like right here. I was like, really crazy.

[Elena]

Yeah, that blew my mind.

[Colby]

We're still also just full disclosure, like, debating whether we are going to put that in our channel or not. So that could be an exclusive. But yeah, it is really, really cool just for people to know that, like, we did that experiment.

[Sam]

Yeah, it was. It was like a personal extra test because, like, obviously the main goal was understanding the. The unsolved mystery. But it was really cool to like, have this, like, isolated test with the spirits that had nothing to do with the house at all, what they could pick up. And that Ashley thing, like, I was. I don't know. When she was like, R, I. I was literally shaking.

[Elena]

Oh, yeah.

[Colby]

Oh, God.

[Elena]

What is happening? What is happening?

[Ash]

Like bee, bee.

[Colby]

So close.

[Sam]

Yeah, it's really amazing, actually.

[Elena]

Yeah. Yeah, it was incredible. But you need to see it all because this does not even do it slightly justice.

[Ash]

No, there's plenty of things that are just on the video that we touched on.

[Elena]

You can see the bones rowing like that. That's.

[Sam]

See our facial reaction still. Oh, my God.

[Ash]

We'll be like just going into his teeth.

[Colby]

It was insane.

[Elena]

Yeah, it was wild. And then seeing the Estes method at the end the of. It's going to be so much fun.

[Sam]

To see the full conversation.

[Ash]

Yeah, I'm excited to actually see it.

[Elena]

You know, so definitely check it out on Sam and Colby's channel.

[Colby]

Thank you.

[Elena]

It'll be out right now as this is out. Yeah.

[Ash]

Simultaneous release.

[Elena]

Yeah. Same day. So go check it out.

[Sam]

Thanks for joining our experiment. That was so awesome.

[Ash]

So fun.

[Sam]

Unlike anything we've ever done on the channel before.

[Ash]

We're always down to ghost town.

[Elena]

Oh, yeah.

[Colby]

Let's do it more often.

[Sam]

Let us know if you want a part two.

[Ash]

All right, well, thank you guys so much for listening and we hope you.

[Elena]

Keep listening and we hope you keep.

[Ash]

It weird, but not swear that you don't go check out their video.

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Peace.

[Elena]

Hey. Woo.

[Colby]

Hell yeah.

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