Morbid Book Club : Postmortem by Patricia Cornwell

Summary

Morbid Book Club: Postmortem by Patricia Cornwell

Podcast: Morbid
Hosts: Ash Kelley & Alaina Urquhart
Guest: Chef Riley Meehan
Date: March 31, 2026

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Episode Overview

This special Morbid Book Club episode takes a deep (and delightfully morbid) dive into Postmortem, Patricia Cornwell’s first Kay Scarpetta novel. Ash and Alaina are joined by chef and author Riley Meehan for a conversation that blends forensic science, culinary creativity, '90s nostalgia, and signature comedic flair. The trio explores the groundbreaking elements of Cornwell’s debut, discusses favorite characters and plot twists, and trades thoughts on everything from kitchen tools to food “crimes.” Thoughtful, irreverent, and informative, this episode offers something for true crime buffs, foodies, and book lovers alike.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Special Guest—Chef Riley Meehan & His Cookbook

[00:39] – [02:36]

• Riley drops in to plug his new cookbook, A Little Bit Extra.
• Discussion of practical features: recipe instructions, essential kitchen tools, making recipes your own.
• Notable moment:

  “I want people to riff off stuff. Like, I want it to be, like, dog eared and, like, noted up and, like, make it... make it your own.” – Riley Meehan (01:36)

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2. Postmortem and the Birth of Kay Scarpetta

[02:41] – [04:21]

• Postmortem's release over 30 years ago and the launch of the Kay Scarpetta series.
• First impressions: Ash’s newfound obsession, Alaina’s lifelong fandom.
• Scarpetta’s enduring appeal:

  “Kay just gets better and better. She evolves in a big way, can’t wait during the series.” – Alaina (03:31)

• Excitement over the new TV adaptation (Nicole Kidman as Kay!).

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3. Dual Careers: Chefs and Medical Examiners—A Morbid Q&A

[04:51] – [19:00]
Cheeky, rapid-fire questions blend crime scene and culinary worlds.

Chef Riley on Restorative Meals:

• What would Chef Riley cook for Scarpetta after a brutal case?

  “Red wine braised short rib ragu, fresh made pappardelle pasta, and slutty garlic bread.” – Riley (05:13)
  “A dark chocolate budino... with olive oil and flaky salt.” (05:44)

• Best morgue snack?

  “Tofu curry—aromatic, filling, and you avoid meat after that kind of work.” – Riley (07:27)

Funniest Kitchen–Morgue Crossover:

• Using a microplane zester as a foot file (not recommended):

  “I saw him in the bathroom with a microplane grading his feet... It literally is for both but you shouldn't use them for both.” – Riley (10:33)

Food in Autopsy Reports:

• What would you want found in a victim’s stomach as a chef?

  “If I could like nail a mole and somebody opened up and they’re like, oh, this smells like a delicious chicken mole.” – Riley (12:28)

Moldy Car Memories:

• Debate over the worst food smells left in cars, comparisons to morgue odors (38:32–39:40)
• Hilarious stories about fish counters and “chicken marsala” disasters.

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4. Book Discussion: Plot, Characters, & The '90s Vibes

[19:37] – [37:10]

Themes and Social Commentary

• Praise for Scarpetta as a powerful woman in a male-dominated field.
• The network of supporting female characters (Abby, Lucy, Betty, Margaret).
• Notable quote:

  “Women empowering other women. Coming together to be badasses.” – Riley (19:38)

Whodunnit Theories and Red Herrings

• Wild speculations: suspects ranged from Lucy (Scarpetta's niece) to Wingo, Bill, and Marino.
• Discussion about the killer reveal being “a rando”—accepted as a reflection of real-life crimes.

  “The more I thought about it, I was like, that's kind of how life works. It's not always... the person you think.” – Ash (24:58)

Trauma and Isolation

• Ash and Alaina highlight Scarpetta’s emotional journey, consistent overwork, and psychological toll.

  “She, like, feels like she's losing it. And everybody's like, you look so tired.” – Ash (26:14)

• Realism in dealing with trauma and maintaining a home life (Lucy and Dorothy).

Cinematic Moments & Anticipated Adaptation

• Scenes from the novel come alive in hosts’ heads; looking forward to the TV version.
• “Burping the house”—fun tangent on household rituals inspired by scenes in the book. (31:21)

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5. Forensic Science & '90s Nostalgia

[42:37] – [44:46]

• Discussion of the early days of behavioral science units and DNA forensics in crime-solving.
• Pop culture tie-ins: Silence of the Lambs, Scream, and horror movie nostalgia.

  “That is like, the heyday of horror movies. Because it’s like when a cell phone was like, the smoking gun.” – Alaina (43:46)

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6. Would You Rather & Morbid Food Crimes

[49:49] – [77:44]
Interactive and often hilarious, these segments blend forensic and culinary hypotheticals.

Would You Rather Highlights

• Kay Scarpetta autopsy vs. FBI behavioral analysis day
  • Riley and Alaina pick autopsy with Kay (“she’s a legend.”), Ash chooses FBI for the hot agents. (50:30)
• Michelin star kitchen rush vs. night in the morgue
  • Riley: “As long as the chef isn’t a total, I’m doing the night at Michelin.” (53:14)
• Chefs vs. Critics/Interrogation
  • Riley: “Chefs have thick skin.” (58:02)

Morbid Food Crimes Game

• Cutting steak with a fork: “Side-eye but ingenuity.” (68:38)
• Extra-well steak orders: “It's your prerogative. You should not be judged.” – Riley (69:18)
• Air fryer discourse: “Choke on a chicken bone.” (“But I get it for energy efficiency.”) (69:48)
• Reheating fish at work: “You’re walking the plank.” (71:44)
• Pineapple on pizza: “Not my favorite, but do you.” (75:34)
• Using a chef’s knife to open a package: “Eternity in the metal forge.” (77:05)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Cooking and Crime Scenes:

• “Both chefs and forensic pathologists obviously work with knives and anatomy—very different ways, but they both work in that area.” – Ash (15:14)
• “Bread baking is such a science experiment for me... It’s literally science.” – Riley (15:29)

On the Book's Realism:

• “I was a little disappointed that it wasn’t somebody with a deep relationship, but I do think it kind of lets us walk away with our own ideas of who those people are and how they evolved.” – Riley (24:35)

On Isolation in Forensic Work:

• "She’s working so hard and then also doing work in something that is so traumatizing—the worst of humanity." – Riley (26:22)

On the New Scarpetta Show:

• “They cast Nicole Kidman. Impeccable. Like, does she age?” – Riley (04:21)

On Food & Death:

• “Can you imagine if there were Yelp reviews that were like, ‘Stomach contents were not prepared by professionals’?” – Riley (11:02)

On Parenting Critics:

• “That looks disgusting, but I bet it tastes good, though.” – Alaina’s youngest daughter (66:08)

On Crossover Skills:

• “I did take out at an Irish pub, so I can relate, you know?” – Ash (53:36)

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Episode Timestamps for Key Segments

• [00:39] – [02:36]: Introduction of Chef Riley and his cookbook
• [04:21] – [14:18]: Chef/Forensic Q&A, kitchen anecdotes, and food talk
• [19:37] – [37:10]: Postmortem book analysis, character deep dive, plot twists
• [42:37] – [44:46]: Forensic science history, '90s pop culture sidebar
• [49:49] – [77:44]: Lightning round: Would You Rather, Morbid Food Crimes game

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Tone & Language

• Conversational, irreverent, and full of inside jokes
• Honest reflections with a heavy dash of dark humor
• Celebratory around strong female characters and culinary creativity

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Summary of Takeaways

• Postmortem is admired for its complex depiction of a female scientist, intricate plotting, and 1990s forensic accuracy.
• The trio’s culinary–crime mashup questions allow for thoughtful yet hysterical takes on everything from morgue snacks to kitchen tools.
• The book’s realism—especially in its depiction of isolation, trauma, and procedural challenges—still resonates.
• Scarpetta's character, and Patricia Cornwell’s series, remain relevant and engaging, inspiring both career curiosity and genre enthusiasm.
• Food “crimes” and culinary freedom: the podcast celebrates food preferences, creativity, and even the most questionable kitchen habits (within reason).

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For anyone who loves forensic fiction, true crime, and the overlap between science and everyday life (with a large dose of laughs), this episode delivers a satisfying, weirdly comforting, and genuinely insightful book club experience.

Transcript

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I'm alayna.

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And I'm chef riley.

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And this is a special book club episode of morbid. Yay. We have chef Riley Meehan on the pod today, who just released his first cookbook. A Little Bit Extra. It's gorgeous. It's a. It's a beauty.

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It's extra, just like me.

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It's a beauty. And we're gonna put it here.

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I love it.

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You can see it.

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It's so good. It has so many different things in it. That's what I love about it.

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Thank you. Yeah, there's definitely something for anybody. Like, I wanted to run the gamut and give something to anybody who wants to try. Try cooking.

[A]

I like your little, like, instruction part too, where it's like, cook it, like, read, read it through first. Cook it the way that I cook it, and then do your specialty next time.

[C]

100. And also, I get so frustrated when people, like, screw up a recipe and they, like. Then they say that they didn't actually read the recipe through. It's like, yep, rule number one, read the recipe through all the way. But, yeah, I want people to riff off stuff. Like, I want it to be, like, dog eared and, like, noted up and, like, make it. Make it your own.

[A]

I love that. Yeah, it's such a good one. And I like the little, like, instructions about, like, what kitchen tools to buy. All of that. I'm buying kitchen tools.

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That's actually huge because I have a lot of cookbooks, and that's rare to have in a cookbook.

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I want to make sure people are, like, set up for success.

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Because it sucks when you, like, set everything up and you're like, let's go. And then they're like, all right, use this weird strainer that you don't have in your life.

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They're like, whip out the sous vide machine. And you're like, why would I own a sous vide machine?

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I don't have that. I can't doordash that right now.

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No, I love this.

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Damn.

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I love it so, so much. All right, so everybody make sure to order a Little bit extra. Which came out today.

[C]

It's out today.

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And it's available where?

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Literally anywhere. You can Amazon it. Walmart, Target, your local bookstore. Gotta love the local bookstore. Yeah, literally anywhere.

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All right, get it. And we're gonna put the link to where you can order in the show notes.

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So go click that link.

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Click it.

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Buy it, buy it, buy it.

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All right. So you just released your book.

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Yes.

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Patricia Cornwell, our girly, released her first book 30 something years ago. And we are here to talk about post mortem.

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Hell, yeah.

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Post mortem.

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First book.

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First book ever.

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You read the K. Scarpetta series when

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you were how old?

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I think I was like 10.

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That's wild.

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Which, like, why did I do that

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when it came out?

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You were born 1990. I wasn't alive.

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I was five.

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So I think my mom was still in high school.

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Damn.

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Maybe I'm not sure. I don't know her life.

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Yeah, I do remember seeing my mom read Patricia Cornwell books all the time growing up. So this was a fun one to dive into.

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This is really fun. I remember you talking about Patricia Cornwell, like, for as long as I can remember, but I had never picked one up. I don't even know why, because now I'm like, I want to read all 29 of them.

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Kay. Like, has a special place in my heart now.

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Oh, like, I love K and K just gets better and better.

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That's good to know.

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She's such a superstar. She does. She evolves in a big way. Can't wait. During the series. Love it, love it, love her.

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Also, the show just came out. I think by the time you guys are listening to this, it definitely came out. So I'm excited to watch that. I know that it will probably spoil some future ones, but I'm willing to do that.

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I'm willing to dive in.

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So I think what it does, it's like a dual timeline where it covers this book postmortem and then the second timeline is going to cover Autopsy, which I think is like the 25th book. So it's a big time jump. And they'll cover both timelines. So I think you can watch some of it after this and not get spoiled. But the other one, you'll. I don't. You'll get spoiled, quote unquote.

[A]

But there's also like 29 books to

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read and a lot of bad guys. So it's like, you're really only spoiling one. One, like, storyline.

[C]

And they cast Nicole Kidman. Nicole Kidman.

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And she looks phenomenal.

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Impeccable. Like, does she age?

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What the.

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I saw a recent interview with her, and I was like, what?

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And she's just always perfect.

[A]

Yeah. Like, lilo. How Lilo just emerged. And you were like, why do you look like a. A newborn baby come out of your mother's womb? That's how Nicole Kidman looks now.

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She really does. I was like, whoa.

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I'm like, maybe she micro needles.

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Hey, as somebody who just got micro needling done. Can you tell? Can you tell?

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Do you see this glow?

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This butter skin?

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All right, so we thought we could start off by playing some chef slash medical examiner questions.

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Yes.

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Do you want to just go back and forth on these?

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Yeah.

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All right, I'll start. All right. So, Riley, if K came into your restaurant. Popup. Kiko, everybody listening? After solving a brutal case, what would you cook for her to, like, restore her faith in humanity?

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It's a tall order.

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It's a tall order, but I think I'm up to the task.

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I think you are.

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So she is our Italian queen. So I had to do a pasta, of course. So I think I would do, like, a red wine braised short rib ragu, some, like, fresh made pappardell pasta, and just like, some slutty garlic bread. Yes. Because, like, yeah, you can't go wrong with that.

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And that would restore my faith.

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I knew that right now.

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Right.

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And like, maybe a little side of bar for dunking with some pestoana. And then I. I don't think we touched on it in the book, but I feel like she loves dark chocolate.

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Oh, yeah, I get that.

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Don't you think she likes snacks on dark chocolate? So I feel like a dark chocolate budino, like an Italian pudding with a little olive oil and flaky salt.

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This is a chef.

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I'm a real chef, guys. I promise.

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Wild.

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You're like, I know my chef.

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I am a real chef. It's my job.

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You made you it up.

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That's a brilliant meal. And that. That, like, checks off the assignment. That would restore her faith in humanity.

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She'd be like, life is worth living.

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Yeah. She'd be like, you know what? It's all fun. Yeah. Let's wake up.

[A]

How long do you cook your short ribs for?

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Okay. I mean, it'll depend the size, but, like, three hours, two and a half. Three hours. If they're bigger, you might need to go up to, like, three and a half.

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That's what I do.

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Three and a half?

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Yeah. All right, so they're like, as long as they're like, Fall apart. I mean, you can always just, like, chuck them back in the oven and cook them longer. That's what, like, the beauty of short ribs are.

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I love short ribs.

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I do, too.

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I think that would be my last meal. And like, garlic mashed potatoes.

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Damn. Yeah.

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You got to have potatoes podcast about final meals.

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Oh, yeah.

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That's what you're coming back for next time.

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It's true.

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We need to cook for you guys.

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Yes. Oh, my God.

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I was about to say. Can we just go to the kitchen right now?

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Right.

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Let's go. As we're leaving.

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We're done.

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Bye.

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Bye.

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So the next question is. Is a strange one, but I. I used to work in a morg. Obviously everybody listening knows that.

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And casual draw.

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I know.

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You know, and between cases, you get hungry.

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Okay.

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You have to go back to the office and you got to eat something real quick. And you need something that's going to, like, keep you going. So what would you make for case Scarpetta to bring this little morph snack?

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Can I give a chaotic answer?

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I literally require a chaotic answer.

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I feel like you have to avoid meat.

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Yeah.

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After, like, poking and prodding around on a dead body. So I'm going with, like, a tofu curry or something because it's going to be filling. You get your protein hit.

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Okay.

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And I feel like also you might want something aromatic to kind of mask the smell of the morgue. So like a lemongrassy red curry tofu with some rice. And you don't want to be picking anything up. I don't think either. You don't want to be eating with your hands.

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Utensils.

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Yeah. So you can spoon. So that's. I. I know that's like a little.

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No, I love.

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But I. I like it.

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I really love that. Especially like, the. The lemon flavor.

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I think it's a little brightness.

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Yeah. A little brightness because. Because it's a little stale in there.

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A little musty.

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You came home a few times smelling interesting.

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Oh, yeah. I've come and I came home. One of the things that's crazy. This is just a little side thing, is the smell will, like, get in your throat. So when you.

[C]

Sorry.

[B]

Things later, she said, it tastes like the smell. I went out to dinner with John once after, like, a shift, and I showered. I'd done all the things, and I was sitting there eating, and I was like, it tastes like this.

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I'm a little mortified at that.

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Yeah. That's crazy.

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I heard that story a million times, and I'm mortified every time.

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Fair enough. My only experience like that is that I used to work, like, the fish station at a restaurant. And you just smell like fish.

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Yep.

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It just permeates even, like, you're using gloves. You're, like, washing your hands, obviously, but it's just, like, you can't get rid of it.

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And it's just in your.

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In your nostrils.

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You cannot get rid of it.

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Drew. My husband worked at the fish counter at the grocery market. And I. I don't know why I just said the grocery market.

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At the grocery store.

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The grocery store market. I like that.

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All of the ab. The grocery. The market.

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The local grocery market.

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He had a pair of shoes that I would not allow into my bedroom. I was like, get those.

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Got to the shoe. There's, like, scales on them.

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No, they were one with the ocean. It was horrible. I should have chucked them back in the ocean. Oh, my God, they were so gross.

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I had shoes as well that had to stay outside.

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Yep, I remember that.

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Side shoes. Yeah.

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Yeah. I was like, take them off.

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I'm gonna give you this. This next question, too, because it's just, like, for you to ask.

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Oh, yeah. So again, in the morgue, we. I was, like, shocked to see that we used, like, things from, like, Lowe's or Home Depot to. At times, because they just worked better. So we used, like, literal hedge clippers with, like, the orange handles as rib cutters.

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You have to be strong to do that.

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You have to be real strong.

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Those guns, Elena, especially the clavicle.

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She still has them, but the clavicle especially. That's a. That's a two. Two cut one. But you have to get a good.

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Just the leverage.

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And those hedge clippers give you good leverage because they have the big. The big handles. So I was shocked by that. But what is something in a kitchen that we would kind of be shocked to see what it is used for?

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Oh, my God.

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You're already giggling. Something normal or something.

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You're going to just barf.

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Oh, my God.

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Okay, well, I'm only divulging my husband's secret because I think, like, this is one of his, like, little party trick things he brings up all the time. I love is that he has gross feet.

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Okay.

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So, I mean, poor Ryan has gross feet. But you know what? He embraces it, and he, like, you know, he laughs about it.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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One day I saw him in the bathroom with a microplane grading his feet. You know what a microplane is? The zester.

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Yeah.

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Grading his feet.

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Like. Like at the nail salon.

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Like, at the nail salon. It's a literal. The cheese grater. Microplane zester.

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And you said, that's mine.

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That's not what that's for.

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But it is what it's like. It literally is for both. It's for both, but you shouldn't use them for both.

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You don't.

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You don't know. It's horrible.

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But you get one for that and one for the kids. You said, hey, babe.

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So that's.

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Hey, babe. So that's not the kind of parmesan cheese we need. Sorry. Oh, that's too far.

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Excuse me. Like, I thought it was at morbid.

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Yeah. Cutting ribs with headstones.

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So that one. Yeah. I do believe that the microplane was originally made for. For woodworking, though.

[B]

Oh.

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So it was, like, used to, like, finish edges of, like, cabinets and stuff.

[B]

It's like a multi.

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Yeah.

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Multi use tool.

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Feet cheese, double cheese.

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Wow. Foot cheese, regular cheese, all kinds of gross.

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I like that.

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Okay, moving on from foot cheese.

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How varying. Okay, moving on from foot cheese. Maybe.

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Maybe. We don't know. It might come back. We love a full circle.

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It is autopsies.

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I think it could happen, and we're getting there. So Scarpetta's work obviously involves studying what somebody ate before they died. As a chef, would it make you kind of nervous that your cooking could end up being in an autopsy report?

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So I think what makes me nervous about that is that somebody would, like, see it and be like, oh, that was not cooked properly. Like, they judged the way that I could, like, can you imagine if there was, like, Yelp reviews that, like, that were like. That were like, ooh. Stomach contents were not prepared by professionals. Bad chef. Bad chefs. 0 stars for whoever cooked that.

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What would you hope would end up. And, like, what would your. Your best meal be that would be in an autopsy report later?

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That you'd be like, that's mine.

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Like, you think it would age well? That's me.

[C]

What feels good? That's like getting asked, like, what your favorite thing to cook is, which is every chef's worst nightmare question. But I will say I love cooking Mexican food. And there's a sauce called mole in, like, Oaxacan food. Yes. Oaxacan is my, like, all time favorite type of Mexican. But, yeah, if I could, like, nail a mole and somebody opened up and they're like, oh, this smells like a delicious chicken mole.

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Yeah.

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Like, damn.

[C]

Jealous of their last meals.

[B]

Crazy. They're like, does anyone have chips?

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Yeah, they're like a takeout fruit.

[C]

Oh, my gosh.

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I love that a lot That's a good one. That is a good one.

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That's like one of my pride and joys. I make a good mole and it's a hard thing.

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I was going to say that's not easy to make.

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Labor intensive. Lots of ingredients, lots of balancing going on, so.

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Oh, hell yeah.

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Yeah, yeah. Next time you come back, you got to. You've answered three food questions.

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And I'm like, I came empty handed. Except for book cookie up there. It's not food.

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Not empty handed.

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I won't eat him.

[B]

My bro.

[C]

Just a little nibble. Odie did try to bite. I only have like two of those. And Odie tried to bite one of their legs off. My dog, not my husband.

[B]

I used to have a dog named Odie too.

[C]

You did?

[A]

We had a family dog, Odie, and

[B]

he was like half wolf. He was like an insane dog.

[C]

Oh, Odie is half like baked potato. He's like. He's a pit bull, but his legs are like three inches long. So he's like really stumpy and low to the ground. Yeah. He has little like flipper paws.

[B]

I love him.

[C]

He's real cute.

[B]

Oh my God. I would shave down my life for him.

[C]

I know. I literally.

[A]

Is he like half wiener dog too?

[C]

We think he is like dachshund or like hound of some sort. Yeah, because he has like the little flipped out front feet.

[A]

Stop it.

[C]

I know, but the pity face.

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A little potato.

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Potato. I love it.

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I'm obsessed.

[B]

We don't deserve.

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Not at all.

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Oh.

[B]

So on to the next question because I'll just talk about dogs for four minutes. But if you could cook a meal inspired by the book postmortem, what would be on the menu?

[C]

Okay, there was. There's so many ways that this one could go. But I. I do a thing for my clients. Pancake Friday. We have pancakes.

[B]

I literally love that you're going here.

[A]

We just got pancakes.

[C]

Did you?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

They're a perfect food.

[B]

The maple syrup of it all.

[C]

Nailed it.

[B]

So I was so hoping that's where you were gonna.

[C]

Yeah. So a fat sack of pancakes, some maple whipped butter and some maple glazed bacon. Because what was that? What is the disease called? Like maple syrup Urine disease.

[B]

Disease. Yes.

[C]

The maple syrup came up so frequently. I was like, is that like the. Is a maple tree the killer? Like, what is going on here?

[A]

I came in here the other day and I go, maple syrup.

[C]

I was like, that is. I literally googled because I was like, that is made up.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But it is not.

[B]

It's a real Thing, which is crazy.

[A]

I've never heard of that before.

[B]

That's a perfect meal for this.

[A]

As soon as you started, I was like, I love. I'm obsessed with that.

[B]

You got to go with the maple syrup.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

All right, next question. So both chefs and forensic pathologists obviously work with knives and anatomy very different ways, but they both work in that. In that area. What is the closest moment you've had in the kitchen that felt like a science experiment? Either gone wrong or right. Doesn't have to be one or the other.

[C]

Okay. So bread baking is, like, such a science experiment for me, and I've had it go perfectly where, like, you get the crustiest, most beautiful sourdough bread ever.

[A]

You do the little crunch.

[C]

Yeah, the crunch doesn't. It springs back, and you get the good airballs. But then I've also had it go completely the opposite direction, where it's, like, literally a goopy, blobby mess.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

And that's, like. It's literally science. And you're just mixing. I don't. In my head, I don't understand how it works.

[A]

Elena's so horrified by sourdough starters.

[B]

I am.

[A]

She's, like, afraid of my sour.

[C]

Like, it's gonna come to life in the back of your fridge.

[B]

Like, feed me. What do you mean? Like, I made this with my sourdough. I'm like, but you fed it. It's a living thing.

[C]

I do think it's, like, personified a little more than it should.

[B]

It is very.

[C]

Literally just yeast.

[B]

And I think that's. That's the problem I have with it is the personification of sourdough.

[A]

I am part of the problem.

[C]

Sour Shar.

[A]

Why are we in such a place of sh.

[C]

You guys are shar left and right.

[A]

Why are we doing this? We are sharp. It's very easy to say shart. I don't know.

[C]

Say it again. One more time.

[A]

Shart. Say crack again.

[B]

That's apparently how I feel about sourdough sharters a lot.

[C]

I'm blushing, guys.

[A]

Wait, is yours named or No?

[C]

I haven't named mine.

[A]

Oh, so you're not part of the problem. Mine's name.

[B]

You're part of the answer.

[C]

Matilda.

[B]

Yeah. She's a bad.

[A]

That's the thing.

[B]

You'll talk about feeding Matilda, and then you're like, I made this with Matilda. And I'm like, you know what?

[A]

I've been, like, low key, starving.

[C]

Okay, well, can I just throw it out there that people are also so scared you have to, like, feed it every week? And be honest. I've left mine in the fridge for months.

[A]

Oh, mine's been in the fridge for many, many months. I have one on the counter right now that looks fine to me, and I haven't fed it in, like, a week. Oh, my God. Probably not gonna use it.

[C]

But I think they're more forgiving than people think.

[B]

They're probably not. I think so. They're terrifying. I don't know why.

[A]

But you don't like. I wonder if you have that phobia of the bubbles.

[C]

Oh, trypophobia. No, that's the holes. Is that the same?

[B]

I don't really. I'm not worried about the holes.

[A]

But you don't like that it, like, gurgles.

[C]

Oh, I just.

[B]

I don't like that it feels alive.

[A]

That's.

[B]

I think it's the. The way that it feels. And then you're like, eat this bread that I made from that. Like, I think that's where my.

[A]

You do like the bread?

[B]

I love the bread. Thank you.

[C]

That's the problem would be on my final death row meal. Like, just hot sourdough bread with butter.

[A]

I'm very conflicted.

[C]

It's. Yeah, it is okay to feel conflicted.

[B]

Thank you. I appreciate it.

[A]

Your thoughts and feelings are valid here.

[C]

Yeah. And it shows how kind you are that you care about Matilda.

[A]

This is a safe space.

[B]

It's true. I care about Matilda.

[A]

Lady just starts crying. I'm like, just like, please stop.

[B]

She's really upset. Oh. So what. What ingredient would absolutely give you away if you tried to commit a culinary crime? Like, what is your fingerpr in ingredient form?

[C]

That's a clever question. I like this a lot.

[B]

Thank you.

[C]

Lemon zest. I think I put I with my kitchen microplane.

[B]

He said kitchen.

[C]

Seriously? Like, lemon zest or citrus zest in general is just, like, such a great way to, like, give a ton of aromatic, like, bursts of flavor. Like, also, if you don't want to like that really acidic juice. Sometimes it's just, like, a nice little bright finish. I. I am a freak. Like, it became a joke on set when we were doing the photos for the book. Jillian, the gal that was the food stylist with me, she'd be like, lemon zest on this. All of it.

[B]

And it looks pretty.

[C]

It's pretty.

[B]

It, like, adds a little color. Yeah, I love that.

[C]

Yeah, I love that a lot.

[B]

Oh, yeah. I think would be mine.

[C]

Cheese. Just all purpose cheese.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

This cheese. They're just like. That's her.

[A]

I think garlic would be mine. Oh, yeah. I put garlic in everything.

[B]

Yeah. And I love extra garlic.

[A]

Oh, hell yeah. If it says like two cloves of garlic, I'm like 17.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I always just say like garlic, measure with your heart.

[B]

Like that's literally. Yeah, that and vanilla extract.

[C]

Whenever I bake, I do double the vanilla and double the salt.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Oh, double the salt.

[C]

Double salt. Like cookies. Chocolate chip cookies. I want a crap tote of salt.

[B]

I love.

[A]

I always chop them with a. Oh,

[C]

you got it the best.

[A]

Oh, that's good to know.

[B]

I like that. I love that.

[A]

Hell yeah.

[B]

Well, I guess now we can get into the book. Yeah, we talked about that.

[A]

So what do we think of the book?

[C]

90s incredible strong women. I walked away with it being like women empowering other women. Coming together to be badasses.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Like that's. That was how it closed for me.

[B]

And I loved that because I love that it ended with K. Abby and Lucy. Yes. All coming together.

[A]

And how much Lucy ended up helping.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That little girl.

[C]

I have to confess, at one point, one thing I loved about the book too is it like took me on so many journeys of like, who I thought did it.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

And at one point I was blaming little Lucy. I was like, the 10 year old girl is definitely not the killer. But in my head I was like, she might have done.

[A]

I bet she broke into the. To the office for sure. And I was like, I don't know why, but I think she did.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But it was so clever the way she would like, weave everybody's story. And then I was like, oh, I'm sure it's this person. And then. No, now I'm sure it's this person.

[B]

She's so good at that. Yes. Like so good at that.

[A]

There was so many times, especially like the further along we got into it, that I thought it was Bill.

[B]

I really, really thought it was Bill sucks he fleed. Yeah. I was like, bill sucks ass.

[A]

I was pissed.

[B]

I didn't go from the second I

[A]

didn't feel like he got his.

[C]

I agreed.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[C]

Agreed.

[A]

Like I want. I want somebody to pummel.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I think Abby's gonna take care. I think it's gonna expose him.

[A]

Him. And is it Amber Ghee?

[B]

I think so, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I want her to pummel them.

[C]

At the worst, just men being horrible.

[A]

I also thought that it was wingo at a certain point. Did you ever think that?

[C]

Yes. Nobody was safe. Nobody was safe in my brain.

[A]

No.

[B]

Not even little Lucy.

[A]

You're like, that is up crazy.

[C]

She was Just not like, damn, It's

[B]

a strong 10 year old.

[C]

Strong 10 year old.

[B]

She's leaving semen.

[A]

I was just gonna say she's just leaving seminal fluid everywhere. That's why she broke into the morgue.

[C]

Dead.

[B]

She somehow got her hands on non secretor semen.

[A]

She's like, what's this shit? I guess I'll throw it on people. I can't.

[B]

So throw it up.

[C]

Oh my God. You guys make me blush a lot. Little girls love pancakes. So the maple syrup. Also the maple syrup smell.

[A]

And there's always sticky.

[B]

They are always sticky.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And smelly can confirm.

[C]

Jammy hands.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, jam hands.

[A]

You're valid.

[C]

You know what? I still might think it's Lucy.

[A]

You're like, actually good.

[B]

I'm gonna rewrite book two's gonna come back and be like, kidding. I love it. But I do love too that they made Marino like, like such a foil in the beginning. And then at the end he ends up like standing up for her and

[A]

like saving her ass.

[B]

Yeah. And then saving her.

[C]

Thank God, because there had to be one good like straight man to come through and like do something to like restore our faith a little.

[B]

And it was like questionable for most people because like he's sitting there being like goddamn women when he walks away. And you're just like, Marino. Yeah, Marino's like a. He's a main stay.

[A]

I really like.

[C]

Oh, interesting. This is so this is my first book that I've read in the series. I'm definitely going to read more, but that's. That's interested to see like which characters combat.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

It's really fun.

[A]

And you said Lucy.

[B]

Lucy becomes a very big character. Oh, pretty badass.

[C]

Okay. Fun.

[B]

So she's fun.

[A]

I feel like she's gonna grow up to be like a computer hacker. Yeah. Like one of the good ones. She just works for Anonymous.

[B]

Yeah, there you go.

[A]

You know, I love that.

[B]

Yeah, I love that theory. Well, and I love that like throughout the book it's like there's. I think there's a lot of like K being like science and logic and like, we need to look at this like this. And Marino's the one that's like, I'm going off of instinct and I think it's this, like, I have street smarts. So let's go this way.

[C]

Went to school hard knocks.

[B]

Yeah. He's like, I know this, but he was wrong for most of the book with his instincts and she was right. And then in the end it flipped and his instincts had him show up to save her.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

So I like that they gave them both totally flowers. It was almost like, confirming. Like, you need both sides.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You can't just be one or the other. It's so true.

[A]

And just the way their relationship developed because, like, I think when she first found out that he was driving by her house, she thought it was because he wanted to be like, oh, how does. How much does the chief medical examiner make? And, like, he wanted to judge her.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

But he actually just had this instinct to protect. Yeah. I love them together.

[B]

I know.

[A]

You told me that I was gonna love Marino, so I was like. As I was flicking through, I was like, all right, not yet. Not yet.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

If you would have told me that at the beginning, I would not have. I would not have believed it.

[B]

Give him a moment. Yeah.

[A]

And I did. And I did. And I. Now I'm like, I love Marino.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Love him. I had so many theories about who the killer was throughout this. Like, we were just talking. We thought it was, like, Wingo. Yeah. We thought it was. I mean, I thought it was the husband. At first.

[A]

There was a little bit where I was like, fuck, is it Marino? Yeah.

[B]

You just don't know. And then when it comes. I like that it came through with, like. It was like a layered reveal of, like. But you. I never saw it coming.

[A]

Like, I did not see coming out.

[B]

Come up with that until it was, like, announced. I was like, oh, like, that makes so much sense.

[C]

At first, I was a little disappointed that it wasn't somebody that had, like, grown.

[B]

We were talking about, like, a deep relationship with.

[C]

But I do think it kind of, in the end, lets us walk away with, like, our own ideas of who that those people are and how they evolved.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

By putting it. By making it be, like, a rando.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Spoiler alert.

[B]

Before this. So we're like, you need to read. Read it first.

[A]

Yeah. I also, like. Because I felt the same way. I was like, oh, why is it just, like, a random person? But then the more I thought about it, I was like, that's kind of how life works. Like, it's not always 100. Respect is the killer.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's true, you know, like, regular, everyday people that you think are just

[C]

going about their jobs for, like, how dramatic everything was. It was like, a very real ending. I feel like it really was.

[B]

And that you didn't get a motive.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, it was just kind of like, he's just.

[C]

He's just a.

[B]

Hates women.

[C]

Just smells like.

[B]

Yeah, he just smells like Maple syrup. And hates women. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And like. And liked listening to them in distress. So, like, he would hear them in distress and be like, well, I would

[C]

like to cause more of that shiver down my spine. I hate that.

[B]

I thought it was a super, like, creative and like, it was like a unique, like kind of.

[C]

Yeah. Like, have you ever heard of that with the serial killer before? Like, listening that they listened to them

[B]

in distress and that's how they found,

[A]

like, I don't know that we've ever come across that.

[B]

So I think I was like, yeah, not yet. That was real creative, Patricia.

[A]

It was, yeah.

[C]

Patty, you slayed with that one.

[A]

You really did a big sleigh, big slay, Patty.

[B]

Well, they think she does a good job too at like showing Kay's, like, isolation. How she starts feeling isolated big time because she's surrounded by men and she's kind of like male dominated feel.

[A]

She, like, feels like she's losing it. And everybody's like, you look so tired. You look like.

[C]

I know, like, literally you can see her, like, devolving into this, like, sleepy shell of a person.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Which, like, because she's working so hard and then also doing work in something that is like, so traumatizing.

[B]

The worst of humanity.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think she looked at that first victim that we saw, and I think she saw herself in Lori, because Lori was like a young female doctor. Well.

[A]

And they had met that one time and she kind of like kept that to herself for a while and then was like, when she talked to the psychiatrist or psychologist, when she let that go, I was like, oh, that's why that's affecting you so much.

[C]

And another one where I was like, okay, who's on school campus that, like, would have seen them together that could have picked them out.

[B]

And like, that's why it's so fun to piece together. It really is.

[A]

I also like the way that Patricia does it, where you get so much of her work life, but you also get her home life. So you can see why she's so fucking stressed out.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Because in the middle of everything that she's dealing with, like, trying to solve this insane murder, she's also taking care of a 10 year old and her sister's just like, peace out.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

She's like, I'm gonna go with my illustrator to miam.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So now she has to be a mom.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I hate Dorothy.

[B]

Yeah. She's the worst Dorothy. Such a interesting character that's being nice throughout the series. Well, she sticks around.

[A]

Jamie Lee Curtis plays Dorothy in the.

[C]

In the iconic.

[B]

Can you see her in the. In like the. The trailers, the previews? Yes.

[C]

I mean I can see was so

[A]

not what I pictured. But now I can't picture anything else. Like I'm like what did I picture?

[B]

You'll picturing her like younger too. But she. We're probably seeing her in like an age timeline. Yeah.

[C]

K to me I kept seeing her when I was reading as like a mix of Dana Scully and Carmela from

[A]

Carmela with her big French tip.

[B]

Cuz she's definitely got Dana Scully.

[C]

She definitely has Dana Scully vi. Kind of like reserved, like cool, like very like methodical. But then I. I wanted her to be like kind of the Italian. Like.

[A]

Yeah, Carmela.

[C]

Exactly, exactly.

[B]

And what's cool is as this as the series goes, you get a lot of Kay's like personal life and her life outside of the morgue. I'm excited. And she's like a cook. Like she loves to cook, she loves to garden. Like she's got all these like passions outside of it that they develop.

[C]

Yeah, they dropped the gardening one towards that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

She's very well rounded in the right rest of the series. Like you get so many looks at like her life. I really like it. Yeah. That is really cool because you would need that if you're the chief medical examiner. You need like outlets that are.

[C]

Oh my gosh, I can't even imagine.

[A]

Yeah, you need to put your head somewhere.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I related to that so much because even like when we do like these like very violent stories, I love going home and cooking and I like. Yes. I have stuff going on in my personal life. Like cooking is an outlet for me for sure.

[C]

It's such a good way to just like like decompress. You like put your phone down, be in touch with your senses and like take your time if you can.

[B]

Yeah. And like and create something.

[C]

Create with your hands.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Chopping all the ingredients. Like it does something for my nervous system.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. I feel like when I first started doing cooking videos I was very into like the ASMR chop style. Like lean into those like heavy sauteing sounds and onion chopping. Like I loved that.

[B]

I love the second I. I immediately mouth water.

[A]

That was one thing in the book that I was like can't relate. I forget which victim it was. But she opened her windows cuz she had cook. Oh the ground ground beef and onions. I was like that really smells incredible bottle.

[C]

So I can like spritz.

[B]

Literally. I'm like, I love that smell If

[A]

I'm, like, cooking that and I go outside for some reason and come back, I'm like, oh, the house is filled right now. I'll never open the windows and get rid of that. True.

[B]

And speaking of windows, Ash texted the other night while she was finishing this. She texted, and she was like, I am freaking out, closing all my windows and making sure they are double, triple checked. Like, you're genuinely scared. No.

[A]

You guys, I sat down, I think it was like, last Saturday or something, and I read almost the entire book in one sitting because I just. I was, like, eating this up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it was like 10 o' clock by the time I finished.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

I went around my entire house. I locked all the windows. There was one that wasn't locking. I ran upstairs. I was like, drew, the downstairs dining room window is not locking. Why? And he was like, what?

[C]

We're in danger.

[B]

Fix it.

[A]

I'm like, can you please get up and go fix the window? And he did. And it locks. So don't even try it. Don't even try.

[C]

Whoever you are, don't even try it. But, yeah, I grew up in a town where, like, literally, my dad would keep the keys to his car on his dashboard. We did not own a key to our front door, so I had to be, like, very retrained. Like, like, Ryan, my husband's dad is, like, was a cop. And so Ryan's, like, the opposite end of that spectrum where he's like, we're home and all the doors are locked. And I'm like, why is our front door locked? So this is all very foreign to me. Like, between Ryan and listening to you guys, I feel like I've become much more. Much more cautious.

[A]

Fresh air is for dead people, after all.

[C]

I do love fresh air, though.

[A]

I do love fresh air. But you do love for a walk.

[C]

Just a walk.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I love to burp the house during the day.

[A]

We burp the house.

[C]

We just learned about this.

[A]

It's a thing. It's like a. Is it a day a German thing or a Dutch thing?

[B]

It's something.

[A]

I think it's Dutch.

[B]

It's wonderful. What is it called?

[A]

Hold on. I. I said. I was like, we need to do

[B]

this to the house. I love burping the house.

[C]

In Phoenix, we have to, like, turn on our heat during the summer sometimes because it sits.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[C]

It sits idle for so long that you have to, like, burp the heater, basically. So you have to, like. So like, once a month, you have to, like, turn the Heat up a little bit on your already hot home. It's terrible.

[A]

That sounds awful.

[B]

I couldn't do it.

[C]

Hot.

[B]

Hot. Yeah.

[A]

You're saying it gets up to like 120 degrees?

[C]

I mean, I'm in the Hamptons when that hot happens, so.

[B]

Which. Smart. Smart.

[A]

Get out of there.

[C]

Poor husband.

[A]

We can't have you on fire like that.

[B]

No, we can't. No.

[C]

I would literally melt.

[A]

Yeah. Burping. The house is German. It's called. I think it's lon.

[B]

Lon.

[A]

We loofed in the house.

[B]

Yeah. I love loofed in the house.

[A]

I'm obsessed with it. Even when I left you yesterday, you were by yourself. And I was like, lock the door.

[B]

Yeah. She was very aggressive about it, actually, when she close the door and lock it behind me. And I was like, I will.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I'm very do that.

[A]

I left my friend's house last night and her house was so hot. We were, like, both sweating. And she was like, yeah, I'm going to sleep with the window open. I was like, no, you're not, babe.

[B]

No, you're not.

[C]

I always wish we could do that.

[B]

No, I know. I always want to do that because, like, fresh air coming in feels nice, but I never would.

[C]

I never want point with science where we can figure this out.

[B]

I know.

[C]

Let me have a window open.

[B]

You know what? We just need to put bars on our windows.

[C]

That's perfect. Let's live in a.

[B]

You can open it and no one can get in.

[A]

Oh, my God. Penitentiary vibes.

[B]

But you know what?

[A]

Penitent, pretty.

[B]

You can make the bars, like, translucent and gold. They look pretty decoration, but reinforced so that nobody's getting in those.

[A]

Wait, how did you feel?

[B]

I forget.

[A]

I don't remember, like, what scene this was or anything, but I just remember she said she remember anything. I don't remember any part of this single thing. I actually don't know what I'm saying. No, she said that she really hated Spanish moss. K. Scarpetta.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

And I said, do you feel personally victimized by that?

[B]

Because I love Spanish moss.

[C]

It's rad, is what I was like, shark.

[A]

Spanish sharks.

[C]

It's easy to say, I love a Spanish moss moment. It's so, like, ethereal, and it is like. Yeah.

[B]

And it feels so, like, gothic. Like, it feels so southern gothic.

[A]

Like. Yeah.

[B]

I. I requested from John. I was like, can we please just, like, truck up some Spanish moss?

[A]

I don't think it survives here.

[B]

And he was like, it will not.

[C]

I don't think that's how plants work.

[B]

I'm pretty sure it has tons of bugs in it.

[C]

Oh, yeah?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like, invasive, I think.

[C]

I'm pretty sure once you get into the nitty gritty of it, it's maybe

[B]

not as cute, but invade it is invasive.

[A]

Mikey gave me the nod, but, like,

[B]

my plants had it coming also. That's called.

[A]

You know what that's called? Boss bitch energy. She knows. She's the one. She said me it. Me in that group.

[B]

That's right. Oh, I love a Spanish moss, though.

[C]

Beautiful.

[B]

The Abbey Turnbull of it all. With Bill. Yeah. Like, Bill being a full on rapist.

[C]

He's just a rapist.

[B]

Drugged her and raped. And then he's claiming that she came on to him and he rejected her. I was like, you piece of.

[C]

Classic maneuver.

[A]

Totally. What pissed me off too, was he was like, okay, I think now that I've run away, we probably shouldn't see each other. You. She didn't want to see.

[C]

Does he come back?

[B]

No. Oh, I don't think he.

[C]

But yeah. I don't think we got the justice that we deserve with him.

[B]

Yeah, he doesn't. Yeah.

[C]

So did he just get away with rape then?

[B]

I don't know, actually. I don't remember.

[C]

In my head, he gets.

[B]

Gets hunted down and.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, good.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Good.

[A]

You're like, hell, yeah. You were saying in my head, I thought you were saying, he gets away with it. And I was like, no, no. You're like, wait.

[C]

You're like, wrong vibe.

[A]

I know, I know.

[B]

You're like, no way.

[A]

Like, why would I say that?

[B]

I also like that. So when Marina was kind of like pressing her about it, like, because when she was like, we are kind of seeing each other, and he was like, has he, like, attacked you? Like, has that happened? Was like, pressing.

[A]

And she was like, actually kind of.

[C]

Yeah. Her little, like, memories.

[B]

Like, what the. Like, why you. Me? And he apologized later, which was like a big Marino moment. I was like, look at you apologizing.

[C]

He grew a lot.

[B]

I mean, the bar is in hell, obviously.

[A]

It's the 90s and he's a man.

[B]

He's a man.

[A]

I admit.

[C]

Don't do that literally.

[B]

Is because I'm just like, look at him saying sorry.

[A]

I know.

[B]

For pressing the rape question. Like, damn.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I was like, that's pretty good. For Marino in 1990 One thing I

[A]

wish we got a little bit more on was Bill's wife possible suicide. Because I don't think she committed suicide.

[B]

That's why I don't want to say that he doesn't show up again because I'm not positive on that. I haven't read the beginning of the series in a long time. So I mean, you would go back

[A]

when you read this. I was young when I fair that you forgot some stuff along the way.

[C]

Yeah. When I first heard that she had committed suicide. Air quotes.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I was like that immediately. I was like, bills? Yeah. Red flag. Bill's like, no good. Like I'm scared for kids.

[B]

And it was only like a year before.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And he was like weird about. She was like, yeah. I don't like she was normal about it, but she was like.

[A]

Had conflicting feelings. Yeah.

[B]

Because she was like, that's not a lot of time.

[A]

And then they were saying like, well, like she could have because she had like gunpowder residue on her hand. But I'm like, he's a cop. You would know exactly how to do, how to cover everything up.

[C]

I thought that we didn't talk about the dust, the glitter. The glitter dust. You want to know what I thought it was like for the whole book, basically. I thought it was going to come out that it was like, like leftover fingerprint dusting powder. So I was like, it's an inside job. I was like, it's a cop who has like fingerprint powder on them and they don't know.

[B]

You weren't far off.

[C]

I mean.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You really weren't like in the.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

The law enforcement part of it.

[C]

True.

[B]

Because I. That I loved because it was so the whole time I was like, what the. Is this glittery?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then as soon as. Yeah. And as soon as they were like, oh, municipal buildings use borax in the bathrooms. I was like, oh, like it's all happening. It's all happening.

[A]

That was really fascinating. Yeah.

[B]

And I also loved the. When they went to visit the crime scenes, Marino and K. And they went into like the psychology a lot more.

[A]

That was a really interesting scene. That was also just like so cinematic. Yeah. I could see that in my head the entire time.

[B]

I can't wait to see that.

[A]

Yeah. It's just in the show, to me it felt like so like hot and sweaty and like, like, like.

[B]

So you felt nerve wracking.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Claustrophobic.

[A]

Yeah. Like, and his nasty ass car definitely

[C]

smelled definitely like McDonald's wrappers all over it's car.

[B]

I'm pretty sure, like perseveres.

[C]

That's like a character.

[B]

I think that's like part of his

[A]

like pathology as somebody who's had nasty ass cars. I get it.

[C]

Do you guys want to know something I splurge on. No. I drive so much. I drive so much because I work like split shift and I it Now I splurge on having somebody come to wash my car once a month.

[A]

Oh, hell yeah.

[C]

Honestly.

[B]

Valid.

[C]

It's a freaking game changer.

[A]

I probably would do that. My husband details my car, like incredibly. But if I didn't have him, I would absolutely.

[C]

Is he looking for another husband?

[A]

Yeah, probably. Come on over.

[C]

No. Ryan did set all this up for me, so I'm very lucky. But yeah, it's. Having a clean car is.

[B]

Yes. It's like a second house.

[A]

It starts your day off better. Yes. You just get in there and you're like squeaky clean.

[B]

Yeah. You don't want to sit in a nap. Nastiest.

[C]

I drink my coffee while I'm in.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

I used to have the nastiest cars. This literally came up at my wedding.

[C]

Why can I see this

[B]

maid of

[A]

honor, this matron of honor in that moment? I've just been everywhere. Brought up. I once left fish tacos in my car over. And then what was the thing? Something spilled in my car. Wasn't it like.

[B]

Wasn't it like.

[A]

It was. It was chicken marsala.

[C]

Chicken karsala.

[A]

Chicken forever.

[B]

And it.

[A]

And it is forever. If anybody's driving a white Saturn around, you're driving my chicken cars.

[C]

Enjoy.

[A]

They don't even make that car anymore. I loved her. Her name was.

[C]

That is like such a niche thing. Appreciate.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It was a rough spill.

[C]

I put that car onto wet.

[B]

That was. And it's like such.

[A]

It was impossible.

[B]

Earthy smells.

[A]

Yeah, it sure was, guys.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Man, I drove that card into the ground, though.

[B]

Yeah. That might have been similar to what dead body smells like, to be honest. It's that sickly sweet.

[C]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Well, that's how I was living when I was like 20 something. That's why Felicia didn't like me.

[C]

We've all been through that.

[B]

You know, that's. That's what it was.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Foreign.

[A]

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[B]

Just going back to like the crime scene visits.

[A]

Going back to something that's.

[B]

I was like, I gotta get away from the chicken. Carola gets away from your nasty ass. I think you also left sushi on my shelf once.

[C]

Oh my goodness. Do we need to have a talk about food safety with you?

[A]

That be would was so embarrassing.

[B]

I. We were like.

[C]

She's like, why am I getting sick from this grocery store sushi I left on the counter for eight hours.

[A]

I just know I didn't eat it. I was eating it and I put it in a bookshelf next to me. Right?

[C]

Because that's where sushi goes.

[B]

So one day Joe's just like, what

[A]

the is this day? It was the next day.

[B]

And he was like, what is this? We found it. Neither of us eat sushi.

[A]

So we were just like, what this?

[B]

And John was like, this is ash. This is sushi.

[A]

Okay, but that weekend was the weekend that I helped you when your kid threw up in the car. So I got you back.

[B]

So you did.

[C]

Did the cup hands. This was a different barama.

[A]

Yeah. Bar for Rama, babe.

[B]

Kids puke, you know.

[A]

Oh my God. Putting all my nastiness. It's like when we started the show and I would say, I'm trash.

[B]

Yeah, I'm trash without ash. You sure can't.

[A]

You sure can't.

[C]

That's why we love you.

[B]

But again, back to the. Back to the. The nastiest car mar. Yeah. And back to the. The Crime scenes. I like that they were going into the psychology, because I think the Behavioral science unit was only established in, like, 85.

[A]

That makes sense.

[B]

Really not that far off.

[A]

Because it's, like, brand new. In, like, Silence of the Lambs, right?

[B]

Yeah, it's, like, brand new. So that when she was writing this, it had probably only been around for a couple years, and she was probably like, hell, yeah.

[C]

Herbert was special then. And then the way she was talking about the DNA, too. Yeah. Whoa. Deep dive. Did a lot of it go over my head? Absolutely.

[A]

Those were ones that I had over.

[B]

I'm impressed.

[A]

They were fascinating.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it also is just, like, crazy to think that. And we've covered cases before where people are like, DNA. What the. Is that when it was, like, the 80s?

[B]

Like, what.

[A]

What is that? What does that prove?

[B]

Get out of here.

[A]

But it's crazy to think that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, that's just how we solve now. But back in the day, you couldn't even really explain that to people. Yeah.

[C]

And cell phones, baby.

[B]

Oh, my God. It's like in screen. I knew you were gonna say. Every time I think of it, like, the original, when that cell phone drops.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I remember watching it and being like, he has a cell phone. Like, excuse me. Only killers have cell phones. Like, what the. And it's like a giant brick that falls out of his. That's when I was like, that is like, the heyday of horror movies. Because it's like when a cell phone was like, the smoking gun. Like, only one person has a cell phone in this whole movie. It's got to be him. Yeah.

[C]

My husband doesn't do horror movies, but. Well, now he does. And I intro'd him with Scream because I was like, that's perfect. That's how you get introduced. And that was one of the first, like, gnarly movies that I watched.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

And I think I was 10. And my brother.

[A]

I think I was 10, too.

[B]

I think I was 11.

[C]

Yeah. My brother made me watch it and then scared me for the next month whenever he possibly could. So scarring. But also my intro into loving horny.

[A]

Builds, Carol.

[C]

Yeah. Builds character.

[A]

My husband was not a big horror head before he met me.

[C]

That's not gonna last.

[A]

No. I started him with the Strangers, which might have evil. It's like, one of my favorite horror movies ever. You have to watch this. And to this day, if I go, is Tamara. He's like, shut the up. It terrifies him.

[C]

The scene where she's home alone and the vinyl starts playing.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Oh, My God.

[C]

One of the creepiest.

[A]

And it's Mama Tried.

[C]

Yes. I also heard that the director didn't tell her where they were going to be coming from, so she was actually, like, said she was terrified. Yeah.

[A]

I was watching the Rachel Zoe Project the other day, and Liv Tyler was being styled, and I was like, oh, my God, she lives. She made it through. But I was like, oh, that's a movie.

[B]

Oh, she's live, Tyler.

[A]

Yeah, she's living.

[B]

That movie is iconic.

[A]

It's one of my favorite movies.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

My favorite. Well, Silence of the Lambs is my favorite book.

[B]

Me, too.

[C]

Yeah, that's my comfort movie.

[B]

Me, too.

[C]

Like, I put it on when I can't sleep.

[B]

I will literally put it on just to, like, feel good.

[A]

That's how I feel about screen.

[C]

I tell people that, and they, like, step back from, like, what they're like, that's weird. What's wrong? I mean.

[B]

Well, half that movie is them staring straight into the camera at you, and I'm like, I love this.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I feel forever.

[C]

You're talking to me so good.

[B]

Jody's talking to me.

[C]

It is so good.

[A]

That's been coming up in conversations so much lately, randomly. I feel like I'm being, like, called to watch that again.

[B]

It's true.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think we were in New York at the same time as Jodie Foster. Last time we were.

[A]

She was on the Today show, and

[B]

I wanted to find her. And I thought, like, I thought we would be like beacons with each other and just, like, call to each other, and we didn't. I know. So sad.

[A]

It was maybe, like something was retrograde.

[B]

Yeah. Something was wrong. Because normally me and Jody would.

[A]

Yeah, we. You're beacons, for sure. I respect that. It wasn't a good trip.

[B]

It's true. We almost named Blanche Clarice, but John wouldn't let me. He was like, no, no. You could have said, hello, Clarice. Every time she walked into a room, I was gonna say, hello. Hello, Clarice.

[A]

And the other one is Sydney, and you can say hello.

[B]

And I do do that a lot.

[A]

Wow. That's actually such a miss opportunity. Right?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Right? Missed opportunity.

[A]

Like, now I'm gonna fist fight him when I go, Oh, man.

[C]

Ryan's car was named Clarice, but he hadn't seen the movie. And I was like, funny. You just named your forward focus.

[B]

It's not Clarice Starling.

[C]

Mine's Vivian.

[A]

Oh, I love that.

[C]

That's just kind of a baddie.

[B]

I like that.

[A]

Mine's Big Inch, the sequel. I had a big Inch and then I wasn't ready to give it up yet. So I was like, my next car is Big Inch, too.

[C]

Is it a big car?

[B]

No,

[A]

no. I just love Big Edge.

[C]

I mean, she is a legend. And then you can get a third one in. Big Edge, the remix.

[A]

Absolutely. The trace backed up.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Big Inch five ever.

[B]

Our big car is named Daisy Buchanan. Oh, that's cute.

[A]

I like that.

[C]

I like that a lot.

[A]

My first car was Stacy because then I was Stacy's mom and I had it going on.

[B]

She's not.

[C]

I love your brain so much.

[A]

So true.

[B]

Her brain is pretty great.

[A]

It's almost wild.

[C]

Both of your brains are insane. And I love them so much.

[B]

It's a unique space over there.

[A]

So is yours.

[C]

Yours is.

[A]

Yours is not.

[B]

Lot scarier.

[A]

Mine's just like. And yours is like.

[B]

You know, I do that, actually.

[C]

Yeah. That was perfectly nailed that.

[A]

All right. I feel like we got through most of the book discussion.

[C]

I mean, I feel like we could talk about it forever, but like, I think we got the big.

[B]

One thing I have to say is that Ash was completely like. You were like, Wingo didn't. Oh, yeah. And then I know you came in and you were like. Like Wingo actually did his big one and tested that cigarette.

[A]

I really felt so bad. As soon as he put something into.

[B]

Who.

[A]

What was the.

[B]

Was it Betty?

[A]

It was Betty.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Rockabilly Betty. When he put something in her pocket, I like, didn't trust her. I didn't trust Wingo. I was like, they're. They're in it again.

[C]

That's her, like playing. She's such a good writer. Cuz that's like the game. Like as soon as you think you are on to someone, it's like, boom.

[B]

You'll suspect anyone. I also love that he. She surrounded Kay with a lot of women. Like Betty, the serologist. There's Margaret the computer analyst. So like, there's more women running that show Abby as like the strong. And I think Abby is like her. I'm pretty sure. Yeah.

[A]

You were saying that this morning.

[B]

Investigative, like crime reporter.

[C]

Cool.

[B]

And I think she has. I don't think she said that that's her, but it feels like her.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, and I love. In the end, she's like, come on vacation with us. We're going like, are you guys gonna be lovers now?

[B]

Like, I love you guys.

[C]

Like enemy to lover. Pipeline.

[B]

He's like, I'm gonna break you.

[A]

You force proximity on vacation.

[C]

Just like me and Lucy were hitting the beach, going to Miami. Lucy, you want a new. My murderer niece Lucy?

[A]

She's got some. Ste's got a bottle.

[B]

She's got a bottle of non secretor over here.

[A]

Sorry if she smells like maple syrup.

[C]

Not Lucy. Catching strains.

[A]

All right, but whenever we have a guest on, we like sort of end with would you rather.

[B]

But we have.

[A]

Would you rather for you. And a bonus game.

[C]

Ooh, bonus game.

[A]

Yes. So we'll do. Would you rather first.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Do you want to start the. Would you rather. And we can just go back and forth.

[B]

Yeah, let's go.

[A]

All right. Start it off, girl.

[B]

All right. Would you rather spend a day learning real forensic pathology from case Carpetta or spend a day inside the FBI behavioral analysis unit with Ben and Leslie?

[A]

I feel like Ben Wesley is hot. I don't know why.

[B]

Oh, I think he kind of is in the show. Is he? Yeah.

[C]

Just if that influences your deeply, deeply influenced.

[B]

I'm pretty sure he's like the hot guy in Devil wears Prada.

[C]

Benton.

[A]

He said, period.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

I'm going to the.

[C]

Oh, yeah. I'm definitely staying with K. Like, she's a legend. I want to date with K. Day

[B]

with K. Me too.

[A]

I'm going to the behavioral analysis unit, girl. See you later.

[B]

I'm hanging out with Kay.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Even though I. I just want to hang with her.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Really? I'm like, let's do an autopsy together, girl. I also miss doing autopsies.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't want to do a. An autopsy, but I do really like, like forensic science. Yeah. Stuff. I find it super interesting. So. And Ben's hot, so. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right. How about would you rather assist Carpetta with an autopsy or ride along with Marino for a suspect chase at 3:00am

[C]

not in his dirty ass car. No, thank you. 3:00am I would be. I would be chicken barf soli all over the car.

[B]

Chicken barf soling.

[C]

Definitely autopsy. And I've never done an autopsy. And when I was in like, eighth grade, I did a whole science report on autopsies.

[B]

Really?

[A]

I love that.

[B]

You were like, destined to be here.

[C]

No, literally, you were like, my grandpa was a pathologist also, so you left that out. I know. Sorry.

[A]

That's so cool.

[C]

Everyone on my mom's side. My mom's a PA and like, everyone on that side of the family is

[B]

all very sciency and medically. Oh, that's so cool.

[A]

Rad.

[C]

My mom brought home that she worked for an eye surgery center and she brought home pig eyes. That they'd used to, like, test a laser. My brother and I got in a pig eye fight. We were kids.

[B]

The greatest thing I've ever joking.

[A]

This is.

[C]

I don't know. For bringing her grubby ass children home, a styrofoam box of pig eyes because she knew we would have so much fun with them.

[A]

Good for her.

[C]

That's a good one right there.

[A]

Yeah, that's good.

[B]

You know what? She looked at that styrofoam box and she said, I know who would love those.

[C]

Need another life.

[A]

Your. Your video that you did when you showed your parents your cookbook, I actually cried.

[C]

Oh, I. I will cry right now just thinking about it.

[A]

Your dad's laugh is everything to me.

[B]

I have shown everyone in this house that video. It's so several times.

[C]

I mean, literally that moment made every moment of words work, like, so special. They had no idea.

[A]

Riley. Riley.

[C]

That's so her, too. Like, honestly, Riley, she always says that. I'm like, gail, Charlie, the Legends. I love.

[B]

It's the. And then when they're reading and they're like, this is so you. Like, I was like, oh, they get you.

[C]

Oh, my God, stop. I actually.

[A]

You're like, why are you bullying me right now? Okay, okay, next crazy question.

[B]

All right, so would you rather spend one night in the morg with kids Day, like an overnight.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Or one chaotic dinner rush in a Michelin star kitchen?

[C]

Oh, my gosh. That's a tough one. Okay.

[A]

Did you work in a Michelin star?

[C]

I did. I do miss that rush a little bit. And overnight in a morgue sounds spooky. A little too spooky.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So as long as the chef isn't like a total, then I'm doing the. The night at the Michelin. When you're, like, cooking that way on a line in, like, high pace, like, like frantic energy, but it's like controlled chaos. It's. It's really fun when it, like, gels

[A]

and when you get to the end of it, you're like, I did that.

[C]

Yeah. It's very gratifying.

[B]

I know that must feel really gratifying at the end of that, you're just like, damn, I survived.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I thr.

[A]

I mean, I did take out at an Irish pub, so I can relate, you know?

[B]

Yeah. You're like, me, same.

[A]

I get it. Been there, been there. You know, it's crazy.

[B]

I. I would pick the autopsy again because.

[A]

Because you did it.

[C]

You just want to do it. Can you, like, go back and do autopsies?

[A]

I don't know, I feel like. Do you mean. Or is it like a degree?

[B]

Text the doctor I worked under and

[A]

just be like, hi, can I pop in?

[B]

Yeah, Can I just pop in real quick?

[C]

Little.

[A]

Hey, can I get an.

[C]

A little break?

[B]

Throw on some gloves, see what I can do.

[A]

Do you guys still have the Home Depot?

[B]

I feel like you guys need a cranium opened. Yeah, I do remember how to do that.

[C]

So let's go wild.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Middle of a night in a morgue is crazy because you will like get yourself completely psyched out.

[C]

Oh, I would lose it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Walking into the refrigerator, you're like, who's gonna sit up? Like someone's gonna do something story about

[A]

the guy with the. You know when you were like, wait a second.

[B]

With the.

[C]

Oh.

[A]

I was like, I can't really say this without ruining it.

[B]

So once in a while, if there's air trapped, if you push a certain way or you move the body a certain way, they will release that air and it will sound like like, like a breath coming out.

[C]

You are. My jaw is on the floor.

[B]

And it happened once the entire time. I worked out that. And it scared the.

[A]

Did you scream?

[B]

I was like, this one's alive. Like, I was like, I.

[C]

We got a live one day bre.

[B]

I was like, we this up, guys. Yeah. And then you feel weird performing the autopsy cuz you're like, are you sure they're go. They're not. This is. That's what that was. Was like. Yeah, it was a lot.

[A]

Yeah. That's hard.

[C]

Were you like dis ever desensitized to seeing bodies like that? Or is it.

[B]

Probably. Probably.

[C]

But like, what, like early on in the beginning, how did you like overcome

[B]

that in the beginning? It was crazy. But I think I like immediately went into like.

[A]

Well, you always wanted turn it off mode.

[B]

Because I always wanted to. So I think I just went in there and I was so determined to not be that person that faint. Faints your first day in there.

[C]

Oh my God. Did somebody faint?

[B]

Well, it's happened a lot, apparently. I didn't see anybody, but we did have like medical students who would come in and which I was like, this is not for you. They would have to leave. Like some of them would leave and be like, I feel sick or I feel. I don't feel well.

[A]

It's a lot.

[B]

I can't. That's like sensory overload and there's just a lot.

[A]

Yeah, that's a lot of smells. A lot of smells.

[B]

Like a lot of sounds.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

A lot of Stuff.

[B]

And when I first went in there, it's true, there's a lot of squelching. And when I first went in there, all of the. Like, the first day, they were like, okay, come in. They're showing me around, and I'm like, okay, cool. And he's like, this is the. The stool that I want you to sit on. If you feel like you're gonna pass out, don't sit on that stool. Sit on this one. I was like, okay. And then he was like, if you're gonna throw up, throw up in that sink. Not this sink. And I was like, people throw up. Like, I was like, what's going on? He was like, just in case, like, it's happened. And I don't want you to throw up in here because we'll have to clean it, like, immediately. And I was like, oh, okay.

[A]

You said, noted.

[B]

But I was like, I am not gonna throw up, and I'm not gonna have to sit down.

[A]

And you didn't.

[C]

Nice. Nice.

[B]

Hell, yeah. It's definitely a lot.

[A]

I would throw up and pass out and probably die.

[C]

Then they do the autopsy on you. Write that in there.

[A]

Be like, oh, we got a fresh one.

[B]

Yeah. We'd be like, well, this is easy. No transport needed. Boom. Just throw me on the table. Yeah.

[A]

All right. One more assist K question. So assist K or wash dishes for 12 hours on a Valentine's Day show?

[C]

Okay. I do love washing dishes.

[A]

I do two.

[C]

I find it cathartic, soothing. Yeah, But. But I'm not doing that. I've graduated from my dishwasher, I think. No, thank you. Me and K are buddying up.

[B]

Yeah. And K wouldn't have to wash any of the tools, so.

[A]

No, that's probably windows job.

[B]

Hand that to some technicians. There you go. Yeah, I think I'm with you there.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, I. Again, I'm assisting K. I'm just with.

[A]

This is my first K assist.

[B]

I'm with Kay all day.

[A]

I'm like, hi, Kay. Anish. Hi.

[B]

I've arrived. So would you rather be interrogated by detectives for eight hours or be judged by a panel of extremely mean celebrity chefs about your cooking?

[A]

That sounds so scary.

[B]

Which I think are two very, like, relatable things.

[A]

Yeah, like, very similar.

[C]

Yeah. Okay. I grew up in the world of cooking competition, so we would compete, and then you get blasted by judges at the end for everything you did wrong. So I can. I can withstand that one. So I'm going.

[A]

You do that one.

[B]

Chefs.

[C]

Chefs have thick skin. You have to. In the industry.

[A]

I would assume so. Well. And I feel like being interrogated. They could, like, make you admit to something that you didn't.

[B]

So afraid of the mind games.

[C]

I would just be like, I did it. I did it.

[A]

Get me out of here.

[C]

I'm sorry. Yeah.

[A]

Meanwhile, you're, like, fighting back about your dish. You're like, I put that in there.

[B]

I don't know what I would do because the other day I made, like, chicken thighs, and I think I overcooked them. And one of my 10 year olds said. Said this was a little chewy, and it literally.

[C]

You know, I actually. I don't have children, but I have thought about how heartbroken I would be if my kids said they didn't like something I made them.

[B]

And kids will tell you, oh, yeah.

[A]

Even if you make them, like, a meal, they're like, this is great.

[C]

I feel like probably the more amazing you go, they don't like, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're like, where are my nuggies?

[B]

Yeah, they were. She was nice about it because it was.

[A]

I know she was nice.

[B]

Oh, no, I didn't think it was the oldest. She was nice, and she was like, I loved it. Like, the. And she even was like.

[A]

She literally gave me, like, a judge

[B]

answer, and she was like, it was just, like, a little chewy. And I was like, what? Like, I was like, was it chewy? And he was like, no, it's just like, chicken thigh. And I was like, you didn't. That was. No, but like, you. No, but you didn't give me the. Absolutely not. It was not chewy. And I was like, I. It up.

[A]

And chicken are super moist.

[B]

They are. I know. So, yeah, I did.

[A]

I realized, like, I.

[C]

Up.

[B]

Okay. It. Okay. But I thought about it for days.

[C]

What would Gordon Ramsay say?

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

We have a Gordon Ramsay question.

[B]

We do.

[C]

Oh, no.

[A]

Okay. And. Oh, my God, we're there, actually.

[B]

Oh, hey. You led us right into it.

[A]

Chased by a. Would you rather be chased by a killer through a grocery store or chased by Gordon Ramsay through a kitchen because you burned his risotto.

[C]

The risotto.

[A]

The risotto.

[C]

Oh, my gosh. You know, despite being a big boy, I'm a pretty fast runner, so I think I could get away from the killer.

[A]

Killer.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I think I could.

[A]

All right.

[C]

I got some strong legs.

[A]

Your car is right in the parking lot.

[C]

Right. Vivian's sitting in the parking lot waiting for me, and I'm just gonna hop right in. Yeah, I think I can outrun. I do not want to be chased by Gordon Ramsay.

[B]

I don't either.

[A]

I don't either. Yeah, I'll go killer.

[B]

Yeah, I'm going killer.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Fair. Yeah.

[C]

Because I would have a lot about

[B]

him that I know that we're like that.

[A]

Yeah. From what I've heard, he's actually, like, so nice.

[C]

Totally. I have heard that, too.

[A]

But he. It's just like he turns it up for the Persona.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

He is on a new show where it's a lot more about, like, mentoring, I think. And I'm like, I appreciate. Appreciate that.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I like that.

[B]

Because that would be wild to have, like, your own. Like, your thing is like, you are. Yeah. A yelling.

[A]

Once you make somebody an idiot sandwich, you can't go back.

[B]

It's hard to go back.

[C]

Legendary.

[A]

But I love it. So it is. It's true.

[B]

All right. Would you rather solve the case but never know the killer's motive or know the motive but never catch them?

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

It's a tough one.

[C]

This is a really tough one.

[A]

I know it is.

[C]

Because without knowing the motive, there's just no closure.

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

In my opinion, as you guys say all the time.

[A]

Allegedly.

[B]

Allegedly, in my opinion.

[C]

But solving a case is solving a case.

[B]

So I think solving the case, you're taking the streets.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I would reluctantly say.

[C]

I know. Yeah.

[B]

That's a tricky one, because I want a motive.

[A]

Yeah. It's very screaming.

[B]

We've covered some cases that there was, like, no motive.

[C]

Those are the spookiest ones.

[B]

Yeah. And they just won't say it. It. Like, even this one that we just read in postmortem.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You don't really get them.

[B]

You don't know why. Really. It's like. It's always scarier, for sure.

[A]

Crazy. All right, back to Celebrity Chefs. Beat Bobby Flay or Crack the case with K. We were so excited.

[B]

We were very excited about that yesterday.

[A]

We actually screamed it at each.

[C]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

It was like a brain melt.

[B]

I wish we had video of that.

[A]

I know, though.

[C]

Oh, my God. You. I. I think I could kick Bobby Flay's butt.

[B]

Really? I think you could.

[C]

Bobby Flay, Totally.

[B]

Let's do it. Bobby Flay. Did you hear? You're obviously listening. Did you hear that?

[C]

You better be. It's going down.

[A]

Bobby, wait. I really want to get you on Beat Bobby Flay. Now let's start. What would you make? Cuz I think you get to choose.

[C]

I don't know how it works. Do I choose?

[A]

I think you.

[B]

I think you get to choose because he.

[A]

I think he's Like, I could make any think Bobby Flay.

[B]

You got to bring him down a pig.

[C]

Yeah. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[B]

You can think about it.

[C]

I have to think. I have to think. Something in the Mexican realm, I feel like that those are my flavors. Those are my, like, strong.

[B]

Everyone listening. Make sure he gets a buffy Bobby Flay.

[C]

Like, I actually think they've reached out to me before.

[A]

You're like, I've actually had the opportunity to Bobby.

[B]

Keep doing it.

[A]

Do it anyway.

[B]

Do it anyway. Fun. Why not? Because I think. I think you could do it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It will be behind you.

[C]

I would throw it down.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You would beat Bobby.

[C]

Bobby's an old man now, isn't he?

[A]

Oh, he's Bobby.

[C]

He's calming for you now.

[A]

Let's go.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That would text you tomorrow.

[B]

That was signal to get. To get Bobby Flay right there. You're old.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

I would crack the case with K because I don't think I could beat Bobby Flay.

[C]

Not with those chicken thighs. Not with those chicken thighs.

[A]

You write. I don't think I could be Bobby Flay, but I would love to experience that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like at least attempting.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Hey, you gotta try.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I think you would have a good.

[A]

A good chance.

[B]

I think you crack at it.

[C]

What would your guys's go to be?

[A]

I would probably make my. Well, I probably wouldn't have time, but in an ideal world, I would make my short ribs. I make really good short ribs.

[B]

I would make my chicken piccata. Yeah.

[A]

Out of this world.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

Yeah. No, your Mac and cheese.

[B]

Oh, my Mac and cheese.

[C]

I do believe Bobby Flay probably makes a really good Mac and cheese.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

He probably makes a barbecue cake. You need three cheeses.

[B]

Yeah, that's true. All right, we'll just. Then we'll fist fight.

[A]

And then I'll win.

[B]

And then I'll win.

[C]

There you go.

[A]

Perfect.

[B]

All right. Ginger against ginger. It's going down. All right. Would you rather be responsible for one perfect dish every single night or solve one perfect case every year? Year.

[C]

I think solve the perfect case once a year. Only because I get really bored in the kitchen. So if I'm making the same dish, even if it's perfect, if I'm making that dish over and over, I'm bored. I'm bored. I'm easily bored.

[B]

I can understand that.

[C]

Be stimulated in the.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Give me new things.

[A]

I agree with you. I that one too.

[B]

I definitely want to solve the perfect

[A]

case of the year.

[C]

That'd be Brad.

[A]

That'd Be.

[B]

Let's go.

[A]

What?

[C]

Let's do it. Let's solve a case right now.

[B]

Let's. Let's go.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Bye, guys.

[B]

Yeah, I'm wondering where Nancy Guthrie is. We'll solve it.

[A]

I know. We have to go back to Arizona, though.

[C]

Sorry.

[B]

Come on.

[C]

Come on down.

[B]

We do. We're coming.

[C]

It's going to be like 95 degrees there next week, so maybe don't come. You know what?

[B]

We'll zoom.

[A]

Yeah, let's plan more. Okay, last question for. Would you rather. Would you rather have Scarpetta examine your kitchen like it's a crime scene or have a restaurant critic analyze your cooking

[B]

like it's forensic evidence?

[C]

Okay. I don't think I would let Scarpet in my kitchen because unfortunately, it. It is a little unorganized right now.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Like, I. I will be honest. Sometimes I let it go. Sometimes I let it go. And she would not be impressed.

[A]

She be like, the phone, Riley. Yeah, yeah, that micro.

[B]

Whatever.

[C]

Ryan's micro.

[A]

She's like, is there foot cheese in there?

[C]

She's like, I know my foot cheese.

[B]

She's like, DNA is on that.

[C]

I can tell.

[A]

Like, that would glitter. Yeah, that would glisten.

[C]

So I'm going restaurant critic, analyze my cooking.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I would not have Scarpetta examine my kitchen. No, It's. My kitchen is messy.

[B]

I would have her exam in my kitchen and I just like, how do I improve? It is what it is, girl. Like, I don't know. But a food critic would stress me out.

[C]

Yeah, that's fair.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Cuz again, I have a little food critic that I created, so that's true. I don't need to invite another one. I created three. Three food critics that constantly tell me about food. My. My youngest favorite thing to say is when I put something in front of her, she goes, that looks disgusting, but I bet it tastes good, though.

[C]

And I'm like, damn, my heart, like, just broke.

[B]

That looks disgusting, but I bet it tastes good. And then she'll eat it and she'll be like, it does taste good.

[C]

What does she find that. What makes it look disgusting?

[B]

Any kind of, like, SOBS sauce that we would think would be like, oh,

[C]

my God, sauce is the best. I love sauce. I need, like, eight sauces on every meal.

[B]

Like, and especially, like, any kind of stew. She's like, this is heinous.

[A]

She's like, why would you put this?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

She's like, this is dog food.

[B]

Like, what is it?

[C]

Like a cottage pie?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

One time she ate my Mac and cheese and she literally went. I was like, I'm gonna go out of the back.

[B]

I'll be.

[A]

I'll be out back if you need me.

[C]

Get out of here.

[A]

Physically. Gas.

[B]

I have every, like, layer.

[A]

I just remember you were like, oh, my God, don't do that.

[C]

That is so. I'm. Would ruin me.

[A]

Ruthless. She's hilarious.

[B]

Like, ruthless, brutal. Then my oldest is like, like, very sweet. She's the one that's like, I loved the flavor. It was gorgeous. But, like, it wasn't a little chewy. She says it nice. And then my middle is like, I'll fucking eat anything. This is great. Whatever.

[C]

That's so fascinating to, like, juggle such big, different personalities.

[B]

Like, it's always an adventure.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

When I put a plate in front

[C]

of all of them.

[A]

Yeah. Never. It's never a full win across.

[B]

Oh, never. I never get three out of three. No. Oh, my.

[C]

Yeah, but you can't be making, like, three separate meals for all of them.

[B]

Oh, yeah. You have to have, like. You have, like, backup plans where it gets, like, less and less, like, a whole meal as you go back, because it's like, it ends up at, like, a peanut butter sandwich.

[A]

If they don't like what I made at my house, I go, you want a peanut butter sandwich?

[B]

See, I know. I know all their backups that I know will work. So if that first one doesn't work, I'm like, okay. Second in line is this. That doesn't. You don't want that. Then we're going to third in line.

[A]

Moming is hard.

[B]

It is. It's a lot.

[C]

Hats off to you, Chef's hat. Off to you.

[B]

Thank you. My favorite, too, is when they'll love a meal the day before, and then, like, two days later, you'll make it again. Cuz I'm like, that worked. Like, they loved that. And they'll be like, what is this?

[A]

They're like, feel like the thing I

[B]

made two days ago, 48 hours ago. And they're like.

[A]

They're like, I never said, like, what do you. Gaslight.

[B]

Gas.

[A]

Like, gas.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Kids are crazy.

[C]

Dang.

[A]

All right, time for our bonus game. Bonus game, Morbid Food Crimes.

[B]

I don't know, but it depends on the theme song.

[A]

So what do you think? Somebody cuts their steak with the side of a fork instead of a knife? Knife. Minor offense or ban them from the kitchen forever.

[C]

Okay. I'm giving them a questionable side eye.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Because I appreciate the ingenuity of, you know, figuring it out, but I'm like, what the hell Are you well? Are you well?

[A]

Wait, what is your feeling if somebody orders their steak like extra, extra well done?

[C]

Okay, so one thing about me is I want people to have the food experience that they want. And if somebody like my mom likes her steak well done, and I'm like, we're at a restaurant paying you. If it's some Michelin star, beautiful course out thing where like the chef is putting a ton of intention into all the details and everything, obviously it's not okay. But if you go to like a steakhouse and want a baked potato with a well done steak, that is your prerogative.

[A]

Hell yeah.

[C]

And you should not be judged.

[B]

I love that.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Elena feels so sad.

[C]

I really do. I feel. I feel that so deeply. Like, people are allowed to eat food how they want it.

[A]

Yeah. Hell yeah. Yeah. Your steak. Hell yeah. I'm side eyeing you. But.

[B]

But Chef Riley is not. Yeah. I love that.

[A]

Oh. All right.

[B]

The next one is someone insists their air fryer can cook anything. Kitchen innovation or cult behavior.

[C]

The chef in me says, choke on a chicken bone.

[A]

I feel cut.

[C]

But I will say, like, there is an energy conscious person in me who also, also hates cooking for myself. So I can appreciate the quick little air fryer. The quick little air fryer moment.

[A]

Sometimes you just have to roast a vegetable in the air fryer so it doesn't take like 35 minutes in the oven.

[C]

Yep. And also they're very energy conscious.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So.

[B]

Which is nice.

[C]

Nice.

[A]

Me, I make my hard boiled eggs in the air fryer.

[C]

That is so insane.

[A]

No, it takes so much time. I'm telling you. I found it out on TikTok. So this is your fault.

[B]

This is your

[C]

hard boiled egg creator.

[B]

You take responsibility for all, like, I don't know.

[A]

You're on tik tok.

[B]

That's it.

[C]

Tick tock. My bad, guys.

[A]

Sorry about the eggs.

[C]

Sorry about tick tock.

[A]

It works.

[C]

Just because it can work doesn't mean it's that you have to do it

[A]

that way just 100 of the time and I can't do it the other way.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

I will say I like hard boiled eggs better the oldfashioned way.

[A]

They taste exactly the same.

[C]

I just don't believe that they do. I feel like the air fryer ones are like, rubbery.

[B]

That's. That's exactly how I feel.

[A]

I completely disagree, but I like that.

[C]

We're going to whip out the air

[B]

fryer side by side competition.

[C]

Me and Bobby play.

[B]

We're getting Bobby playing here.

[A]

We're like, this is what we'd like to make air fryer eggs. He's like, you can't come on the show. No, I like mine like, not. I like mine like, a medium. Okay.

[C]

Jammy. Ish.

[A]

I love a jammy egg, so it's perfect.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

There you go.

[A]

I'll die.

[C]

You do You.

[A]

You're like, I believe that people deserve. They like their food the way they do.

[C]

Set your rubby ass rubber ass eggs.

[A]

You said stop doing that.

[B]

I draw a line,

[A]

okay? I might feel seen again or cut again. Somebody reheats fish in the office. Microwave. Immediate jail time.

[C]

Are you. Are you joking?

[B]

Okay.

[C]

You're walking the plank. You're covered in salmon skin and you're jumping into water full of sharks.

[A]

Here's the thing. I agree.

[B]

Die.

[A]

No, no, no. I agree with you. I have never. Elena loves to say, like, you're the person in the office that reheats fish. I have never reheated fish in this office. But I bring in.

[B]

She brings, like, smelly food and she heats it up. And we're always like.

[A]

My smelly food that I heat up is like, broccoli.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

And.

[A]

Or like, Brussels sprouts and onions. I eat really good. Okay.

[C]

Does that need to be microwaved?

[A]

Yeah, I can't eat it cold.

[C]

I don't know. Know. I'm very self conscious of that stuff. Like on an airplane, if somebody, like, whips out beef jerky or something, I'm like, oh, yeah, you don't care about anyone but yourself.

[A]

I. Yeah. Felony and everything feels illegal.

[C]

I know. Yeah. Yeah. Lawless.

[B]

It's true. It's true. It's law. Yeah.

[A]

So immediate jail time.

[C]

Immediate jails. No. You're walking the plane.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

Pushing you off the plane.

[A]

And I will, like, you always say that, but I don't.

[C]

I do. I microwave myself.

[B]

It feels like that was the next step in your evolution.

[A]

I wouldn't reheat fish in general. Roll. That's just like. That's.

[C]

I've been big into my meal prepping lately, and I have, like, salmon that I just, like, cook, and then I microwave it. It's not. It's not my finest moment.

[A]

I was gonna say not good. I've never microwaved salmon. How long do you feel like salmon lasts? I'm always really paranoid about salmon.

[C]

People's food paranoia is fascinating to me because, Stu. My. The thing I always tell people is, like, you will know when your food is bad, okay? Like, the.

[A]

It'll smell.

[C]

It'll smell. It'll be slimy. It'll look different. Like, like I'm super paranoid, all of those things. And also food lasts like way longer than people.

[A]

You sound exactly like my grandpa right now.

[B]

It's true.

[C]

It's all these food. Not all. A lot of these food protections. I know. You guys are like grab the milk from the bat girlies, aren't you? Yeah, yeah, I remember. Remember that about you. So like those labels of like the sell by date and stuff are not like for us. That's for their protection to be like the best buy.

[A]

Cuz isn't there a difference between best buy and sell by?

[C]

Maybe, but it's still, it's like, like

[B]

it's mostly for them.

[C]

It's mostly for them for their protection.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Is my like conspiracy theory.

[A]

I know.

[C]

You tell me recently.

[A]

Eggs last so much longer.

[C]

Yeah, they have last way longer than

[B]

the carton says that I'm fine.

[A]

And eggs don't need to be refrigerated. I just found out because when you

[C]

think about it, they do in the States.

[A]

Oh, Debbie says they do need to be refrigerated.

[C]

Eggs do need to be refrigerated.

[B]

I think like there's. Oh, is it farm fresh eggs?

[C]

Farm fresh eggs that have not been washed or anything should sit out because they have a protective like membrane on

[B]

the outside when they've been processed.

[C]

Yeah. They get like big batch farm eggs that you're getting are washed, which is good for health and safety things practices. But that's why we keep ours out or in the fridge.

[A]

I'm glad that I didn't buy that rooster where you could put all your eggs in it on Tik Tok Shop here. Oh, remember I told you I was going to buy.

[B]

You did tell me.

[A]

I was like, why was I about to buy that?

[B]

Yeah. And I was like, I'm not really

[A]

sure I have a problem when it comes to Tik Tok shop.

[B]

It's weird too because we grew up at a house. My dad was in the submarine service. So he was like in a submarine for months.

[A]

I think that's why we are the way we are.

[B]

And he. But he was always like. Like there would be like a chunk of mold on a piece of cheese

[C]

and you cut it off.

[B]

And he was like, we couldn't go anywhere in the sub. Well, we were saying we're not under

[C]

the right now though.

[A]

You're like, I could go to shop, go and get a porte of cheese.

[B]

Like what the.

[C]

I mean, me personally, I push stuff. Like I would be totally fine doing that if I'm cooking for other people. I'm not doing that. But like, when like food stuff for me, I'm like, Ryan and I butt heads about this cuz he. He's gotten more lenient. But like, he used to be like, oh, the. This was sell by today. It's going in the garbage. I'm like, no, don't waste it.

[B]

Yeah, it's true.

[A]

This is an interesting debate.

[B]

It is.

[A]

I feel like people feel so differently about these things.

[B]

It's true. They really do. All right.

[A]

But we all feel the same. Don't reheat fish in the office.

[B]

Yeah, don't do that.

[A]

Or broccoli.

[B]

And one that I think think will could start, like battles across space and time.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Pineapple on pizza.

[C]

You can have the keys to the city. Not because I love the combo for me, but again, do you Innovation. Yeah, you do it.

[A]

I was literally in Hawaii.

[B]

I was meant for that. Yeah, that's. I don't like. I've had it before. I think it was Debbie who actually had me try it first. And I was like, this isn't bad.

[A]

Bad.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But I was like, I don't think I'd order this.

[C]

I think depending on what you pair it with. So you got like the sweet, tangy tart. So, like, it goes well with like pepperoni or like a sausage or something that's like fatty and likes that.

[A]

Yeah. Or if you put a little hot sauce on the top.

[B]

I love hot sauce.

[C]

Oh, jalapeno, some sliced holly pineapple, and like, sausage. See, I'm not gonna order that. But also, like, proud of. Proud of people who will do that in public.

[A]

Thank you so much.

[B]

Do what you want.

[A]

What about pickles on pizza?

[C]

No, thank you.

[A]

I thought we were so compatible.

[C]

I'm not. I. There's something I hate about myself is I'm not a huge pickle. Girly.

[B]

Really? I love a pickle of pickles.

[C]

I like certain ones, but I'm not

[B]

like, across the board pickles.

[A]

The only kind of pickles I don't like are the bread and butter kind.

[C]

See, I think those are the ones I do like. Wait. Oh.

[A]

Oh, no.

[C]

You have to go. There's the door.

[B]

Get out. I like all pickles. I think I don't reach for the bread and butter ones, but I've had. They just have a sandwich before and they.

[A]

I like a dill. They can do it. And a Sammy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right, final question. This one, I think you're. You might explode. Using a chef's knife to cut open a package. What is the appropriate jail Sentence the

[C]

eternity in the metal forge. Making knives for people is your payment. Damn, that is diabolical.

[A]

It is, really, Honestly.

[C]

Especially if you like spend money on good knives. Yeah. What are you doing?

[A]

What is your preferred knife?

[C]

I mean, it changes based on what I'm doing and then also like, if it's just for home or what I'm recommending to people.

[B]

What do you recommend?

[C]

I like a good, like for home cooks. Like a good German steel knife.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah. Because those like, hold their edge a little bit better than like a Japanese steel, which is a little thinner.

[B]

Okay, that's good to know.

[A]

I don't know. I forget what kind of knives I have. Have.

[C]

I have a ton, but I'll like rotate them through for whatever project I need.

[A]

That makes sense.

[B]

I like that.

[A]

This was so much fun.

[C]

This was such a hoot. I love you guys so much.

[B]

I need to come back on.

[C]

Oh, my God. Literally, whenever, like, truly, we're having you back.

[A]

I think we decided what we were covering in the middle of that. But I forget already. Last meals.

[C]

Oh, last meal. Last meal.

[A]

The whole thing about last meals.

[B]

Oh, we have to.

[C]

Oh, we could do a deep dive on like death row people and what they ate.

[B]

Cuz there's some crazy ones meals.

[A]

John Wayne Gacy's craziest.

[B]

Yeah, some of them are nuts.

[A]

Yeah, they're wild.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

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