The Wyrick Family Haunting

Summary

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Morbid Podcast – “The Wyrick Family Haunting”

Episode Date: October 16, 2025

Hosts: Ash Kelley & Alaina Urquhart

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Episode Overview

In this chilling and witty episode, Ash and Alaina dive into the haunting true story of the Wyrick family of Harris County, Georgia, whose humble home in the late '80s and '90s became the epicenter for unexplained phenomena. Through their signature blend of thorough research, offbeat humor, and empathetic storytelling, the hosts unravel the decades-long saga of imaginary friends who turn out to be verifiable ghosts, sinister shadowy presences, and the enduring fight of a family trying to reclaim their peace.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Wyrick Family’s New Home and Ominous Beginnings

• Setting the Scene

  • In 1989, young couple Andy and Lisa Wyrick buy their first home in Ellerslie, an unincorporated—and as Ash & Alaina joke, “lawless”—town in rural Georgia.
  • The deeply discounted house was foreclosed after previous inhabitants abruptly abandoned it: “I feel like that's a red flag.” – Elaine [08:36]

• Early Red Flags

  • Their 3-year-old daughter, Heidi, soon begins playing alone in the yard. One day, she requests to “play with the man on the swings,” sending Lisa into “full mama bear mode,” arming herself with a kitchen knife to hunt for a would-be predator. [11:41–12:25]

• Emergence of Imaginary Friends

  • Heidi introduces a “very nice older man” named Mr. Gordy, describing him as always in a dark suit with gray hair.
  • Parental concern grows—Lisa verifies with neighbors but no Mr. Gordy exists. When asked where he lives, Heidi points "up there": “She would point to the sky and say, ‘up there.’” – Ash [15:37]

Haunting Intensifies: More Ghosts, More Puzzles

• The Bloody Stranger

  • Heidi later sees a man at the door with a bloody shirt and bandaged arm, calling himself "Khan." Again no one can be found, but “Heidi said he was wearing a blood-soaked white T-shirt with bandages on his arm … and that he was younger than Mr. Gordy and scarier.” – Elaine [17:48]

• The Dark Hooded Figure

  • A new, shadowy presence appears in the home, wearing all black and a hood obscuring its face. Heidi is terrified, sleeps with the lights on, and retreats to her parents’ bed: “She started to feel unsafe... and she was genuinely terrified.” – Ash [20:18]

Connecting the Dots: Ghosts Become Real

• Aunt Moves In, Puzzle Solves

  • Lisa’s sister Joyce buys the house next door. While sorting old documents with "Ms. Kelly," the prior owner, Joyce discovers the name James S. Gordy—Heidi’s imaginary friend—on estate papers. Shocked, she asks about him.
  • Ms. Kelly explains Mr. Gordy was a real, kindly neighbor who died in 1974, matching exactly Heidi’s description. [25:21–27:28]
  • When Lisa shows Heidi the grave, Heidi runs directly to it, even though she’s too young to read: “The car had barely come to a stop and Heidi jumped out ... and ran straight to Mr. Gordy's grave.” – Ash [31:05]

• Identifying ‘Khan’

  • Flipping through Ms. Kelly’s family photos, Heidi points out "Khan," revealed to be Ms. Kelly's uncle, Lon Bachelor, who died in 1957 and lost an arm in a farm accident—explaining the bloodied apparition. [36:47–37:14]
  • Both “imaginary friends” are confirmed historical deceased residents connected to the property, suggesting Heidi is experiencing more than simple childhood fantasy.

The Haunting Turns Hostile

• A Sinister Presence

  • Heidi is haunted by a dark, faceless entity, leading to escalating fear and physical scratches appearing on both her and Andy:
    • “Not only was he in her room this time, they saw fresh scratches on her cheek. They said it literally looked like an animal with claws had swiped at her.” – Asher [43:03]
    • Andy also suffers burns and deep gashes: “He woke up again and there was even more scratches across his whole body.” – Ash [44:16]

• Pet Scare

  • The newly acquired family dog, Sheba, after reacting aggressively to an unseen presence in the kitchen, runs away and is never seen again—prompting Alaina’s infamous take:
    • “What a shitty dog … just abandoned his family!” [33:07]

Professional Investigation & Theories

• Enter Dr. William Roll, Paranormal Psychologist

  • Dr. Roll interviews the family, seeks to debunk or validate paranormal experiences, and finds the family “evidently sane.” [49:48]
  • His “place memory” theory posits Heidi is piecing together residual energy or memories embedded in the environment, not traditional ghosts:
    • “When there are major shifts in electromagnetic fields, that energy can break through into the present, and that can cause somebody to literally see a person or place just like it appeared in the past.” – Asher [51:46]
  • However, neither he nor any scientific measurement can explain the physical scratches or why the dark entity targets the family.

• The Famous “Honey, the Land” Segment

  • Jokingly referencing psychic Sylvia Brown: “Honey, it’s the land. All land is ancient.” [56:16]
  • The hosts riff on how sometimes it comes down to the unknown history of the property.

The Aftermath: Press, TV, and Ongoing Haunting

• National Attention

  • The Wyricks’ haunting is featured on Unsolved Mysteries in 1994, exposing Heidi’s story to a nationwide audience. [59:51]
  • Mr. Gordy tells Heidi that money is buried under the pecan tree—Ash and Alaina debate “pean” vs “pecan” and never resolve if the treasure was ever found. [61:01]

• Ongoing Trauma and Coping

  • As years pass, the haunting intensifies, and the dark entity remains, even as Heidi’s “friendly” ghosts vanish.
  • Another daughter, Jordan, is born and experiences similar supernatural events, including a babysitter discovering a ribbon knotted around her neck while the parents are out—a chilling escalation. [62:09]

• Spiritual & Practical Response

  • The family seeks help from their church, regularly prays, and is anointed with oil in efforts to repel spirits, but nothing fully resolves their ordeal.
  • “They said it makes them feel empowered to stay in their house. But to date, they still are experiencing paranormal activity in the house.” – Asher [64:37]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Mr. Gordy’s Grave:
  • “She could not read. … but she knew the exact location of his grave and ran over to it.” – Ash [31:05]
• On Confronting the Unknown:
  • “Are you sure you won’t be scared if I tell you this?” … “There’s a man behind you.” – Heidi & Lisa [38:35–38:44]
  • “I would run out of the house. We'd be going to Wendy's, get a 4-for-4.” – Asher [38:49]
• On Pet Protection:
  • “Blanche will wear Jon’s skin if she could. Like, she loves Jon so much more than anything has ever loved Jon.” – Elaine [34:11]
• On the Limits of Science:
  • “He couldn't include the scratches that appeared on Heidi or the scratches that appeared on her father.” – Asher [55:15]
• Dark Humor on Bad Land
  • “Honey, the land. All land is ancient.” – Elaine quoting Sylvia Browne [56:16]
• Final Reflections:
  • “Isn’t it scary? It's genuinely scary.” – Elaine [65:40]
  • “That is the story of the Wyrick family haunting.” – Asher [64:47]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Wyrick Family Background and Purchase: [07:01–09:06]
• Heidi’s Imaginary Friends Emerge: [11:41–15:07]
• Mr. Gordy is Identified: [25:21–27:28]
• Discovery of ‘Khan’ as Lon Bachelor: [36:47–37:14]
• Escalation: Physical Attacks: [43:03–44:16]
• Dr. Roll’s Investigation & Place Memory Theory: [47:54–52:32]
• Pop-culture/Land Jokes (“Honey, the land”): [56:00–56:44]
• Aftermath, TV Attention, Ongoing Haunt: [59:51–64:47]

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Tone & Style

The episode maintains Morbid's trademark mix of comprehensive research, banter, and heartfelt empathy for victims. Ash and Alaina's chemistry brings comic relief to a genuinely unnerving tale, balancing the horror with relatable asides about parenting, pets, and '80s nostalgia. The storytelling is honest but unflinching, and the hosts never lose sight of the Wyrick family's humanity.

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Conclusion

This episode stands out for its spine-tingling details, eerie true-to-life connections, and the hosts’ respectful but humorous deconstruction of one of America’s most bizarre “haunted house” tales. It’s essential listening for fans of supernatural lore, creepy history, and true crime with a personal touch.

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Transcript

[Asher]

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[Elaine]

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[Asher]

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[Elaine]

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[Asher]

His true motive his ex wife?

[Elaine]

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[Asher]

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[Elaine]

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[Asher]

Can you say yes? Hey, weirdos. I'm Asher.

[Elaine]

And I'm Elaine. I almost.

[Asher]

And this is morbid, the amount of times that I almost say, I'm Elena. Hello.

[Elaine]

I love it.

[Asher]

Wait, it's so rainy today. So we're like goofbally.

[Elaine]

It is.

[Asher]

And I was saying I got such a good sleep last night, and I don't think that's good for me. You can tell me that sleep is good for me. I disagree. I perform so much better when I'm. When I'm like on less sleep.

[Elaine]

Yeah, no, it is weird. I wake up easier when I don't have as much sleep.

[Asher]

Oh, I know. This morning I could not wake up because last night I went to sleep. I put my ear earplugs in because it was so freaking windy. And I have wreaths, so they're blowing on my window all night.

[Elaine]

And you're enjoying that now.

[Asher]

Oh, I'm enjoying that.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

And I please know when I put in my earbuds, like my. My little earplugs, I think of you.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

And I say, I know these days are numbered.

[Elaine]

They're numbered.

[Asher]

Yeah. Not that I'm pregnant to the one person who asked, but yeah, again, I.

[Elaine]

Say don't ever ask that question again. Just don't.

[Asher]

Just bloated. Okay.

[Elaine]

I'll say that every single episode. Don't ever ask someone that question.

[Asher]

But.

[Elaine]

But moving on anyway.

[Asher]

But yeah, I slept really great last night and I'm not better for it.

[Elaine]

I actually slept really great last night and I also am not better for it because I have a slight headache all day.

[Asher]

Oh, no.

[Elaine]

All day. It's just been.

[Asher]

I have a slight headache all day.

[Elaine]

I like how you said I've had one. I just took Excedrin. I've been drinking water.

[Asher]

Like. Did you eat lunch, though?

[Elaine]

No, I just kind of, like, grazed.

[Asher]

Did you eat breakfast?

[Elaine]

No, I didn't.

[Asher]

That's why you have a headache.

[Elaine]

That's the reason.

[Asher]

Have you had any water? Yeah.

[Elaine]

Oh, I've been drinking water.

[Asher]

Like.

[Elaine]

Okay. I just refilled this for the third time. Okay. Water has been my friend.

[Asher]

And I'm not like.

[Elaine]

I just keep forgetting to have full meals.

[Asher]

I know.

[Elaine]

Lately, crazy girl, she's been busy. Don't do that, though. I'm just a grazer, so I get in the habit of just like, picking throughout the day.

[Asher]

I get grazing for lunch, but, yeah, you got to eat a brekkie.

[Elaine]

I love a breakfast. I know. I think I just got out of my. Out of my head this morning.

[Asher]

I prepped some pumpkin pie, chia seed pudding for the week. Shit.

[Elaine]

Sl. Slappity slap, slap slapped.

[Asher]

And then.

[Elaine]

Sounds good.

[Asher]

It's the. We're approaching, like, fall and we're in fall. I was approaching winter dead in fall. Shut up. So, yeah, I slept and I'm not better for it. But now. But now I'm making bread again. Yeah, I revitalized my little sarda.

[Elaine]

Sarda.

[Asher]

So I'm well fed.

[Elaine]

Yeah, I like that. And I. I was gonna say my. My aura ring was like, I got a good sleep score last night for the first time in, like, months. And I think my aura is like. It literally was like, wow, great sleep score. And then it was like. But like, calm down still. Like, I thought it was literally like, don't get too excited. It was like, you had one good sleep stick to this. Like, my readiness was like, yeah, this is good. But, like, don't go crazy, girl. Like, it was literally like, don't you think that this is gonna happen all the time?

[Asher]

Well, you gotta have a few nights of it before you go crazy.

[Elaine]

It was funny. It was literally like, don't be too excited. What the fuck? Way to ground me.

[Asher]

Or it does humble you sometime.

[Elaine]

Love my aura ring.

[Asher]

I know. And this is not an ad, but I love mine, too. I got you onto it, and I. There's this thing where you can connect with other people, but I refuse to connect with you, because we will get way too competition. Even though we're not connected, we're like, what's your sleep score last year? Mine's better.

[Elaine]

John has one, too, and his was two points above mine this morning, and I was like, you. Yeah, you and your two points.

[Asher]

This makes you want to, like, fist fight someone.

[Elaine]

Yeah, I get it. He got the crown. It gives you a little crown if you're at optimal. And I didn't get the crown because I was 84. I think you have to be 85.

[Asher]

Oh, that makes sense. Drew is like a apple watch guy, and now that we have dolo, he gets so. He's like, I walked, like, seven miles today.

[Elaine]

And you're like, shut up. Shut up.

[Asher]

Don't say that to me.

[Elaine]

Don't. Because I don't do it that much. I know. I got to get off my ass.

[Asher]

I need to do more hot girl walks. You know that they say that sitting is the new smoking.

[Elaine]

I believe it.

[Asher]

And I did a lot of smoking back in the day, so I can't be continuing to sit and. And smoke.

[Elaine]

I just want to get up and enjoy the fall weather.

[Asher]

I know. I mean, not today or the next day.

[Elaine]

We're in the middle of, like, a nor' easter here in Massachusetts. But I.

[Asher]

One thing about me, though. I love a nor'. Easter.

[Elaine]

Oh, my. One of my kids said, there's a hundred percent chance of a thunderstorm today. And I said, I love you so much.

[Asher]

Thank you for sharing that information. You know what, though? Disappointing, because I haven't heard one clap of thunder.

[Elaine]

Day isn't over yet.

[Asher]

Big, big truce.

[Elaine]

It's only the afternoon.

[Asher]

I was gonna say big facts, and I said, big truce.

[Elaine]

Big, big truth.

[Asher]

Big truth out here.

[Elaine]

Big feelings, big things.

[Asher]

All right. I think we've talked enough.

[Elaine]

I think we have, because this has been absolute nonsense.

[Asher]

People are like, hey, guys, are you drunk?

[Elaine]

No. We had a more unhinged conversation before we pressed record.

[Asher]

Yeah. That will not see the light of day. That's not. That's not for the listener.

[Elaine]

No, it's not.

[Asher]

I don't even remember what we said.

[Elaine]

Honestly. I do. I won't be hearing it. It was.

[Asher]

It was about six. A couple things anyway.

[Elaine]

It was about a couple Things.

[Asher]

I'm gonna talk about a couple things. Just kidding.

[Elaine]

Hell yeah.

[Asher]

It's really one thing. And it's a haunting.

[Elaine]

A haunting.

[Asher]

I say. I say it's the Wyrick family haunting.

[Elaine]

Oh, I don't know. The Wirecs.

[Asher]

I did an ether shout out to Dave. David. He knew of them.

[Elaine]

David always knows.

[Asher]

And he said, let's do this. This case, Ash. And I said, okay, okay, Dev, I'll do whatever you say. I texted him, I said, boy, this was a good one. So.

[Elaine]

And did he say Indeed.

[Asher]

I'll tell you exactly what he said. Maybe not exactly, but I'll tell you what he said. He said that story spins out of control eventually, but early on, it's pretty creepy.

[Elaine]

I love that. He's like, it goes off the rails, but good luck.

[Asher]

It does it like a fun way, sort of. All right, so let's talk about it. Throughout the summer of 1989, Andy and Lisa Weyrich. They had spent months looking for a nice, affordable house for themselves and their three year old daughter Heidi. And they were looking in Harris County, Georgia. They were young family. They were living on a single, pretty modest income. So everything that they had seen so far felt very out of reach. It was not going to be doable even in, like, the smaller rural parts of the county. It just wasn't working out. Rural, Rural. It's so hard to say. So they started to feel like the situation was pretty hopeless. They were like, I don't know about this. But then in the fall, they were shown a small ranch house in Ellerslie, which is in central West Georgia. It's like an unincorporated town.

[Elaine]

Oh, okay.

[Asher]

I didn't know what that was. I googled means they don't have a town government.

[Elaine]

Yeah. They're just reckless.

[Asher]

Yeah. There's like, no lawless. That means they. There's no like, post office. There's no police officers.

[Elaine]

Yeah, they don't give a.

[Asher]

It's a little bit scary.

[Elaine]

They say we're unincorporated.

[Asher]

They are. They're like incorporated. Exactly. So according to the realtor, the people who lived there before had abandoned the house a few months earlier.

[Elaine]

I feel like that's a red flag.

[Asher]

It's the biggest.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

So obviously the bank foreclosed it and that was why it was being offered at such a low price.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

So they didn't want to waste the only realistic opportunity that had come across their plate in months. So Andy and Lisa, they talked it over and they decided to put in an offer.

[Elaine]

I get it.

[Asher]

They're young. They're young family, they need a place to live.

[Elaine]

Roll the dice.

[Asher]

Yeah. So luckily their offer was accepted a few days later, and Andy said, I was happy. I wasn't but 21 years old, had bought my own house. I thought I was really something.

[Elaine]

Hell yeah, Andy, you were really something.

[Asher]

You were. That's crazy. I wasn't 21 when I bought my house.

[Elaine]

No. So go. Go Andy.

[Asher]

Andy and Lisa. So for a young couple just starting out in life, their new house was everything that they wanted it to be. The only downside was that the neighborhood was made up of a lot of older couples, so there wasn't really any kids for Heidi to play with, which kind of sucked.

[Elaine]

That's like a double edged sword because it's like, yeah, there's no kids to play with, but like old people as your neighbors.

[Asher]

Oh, hell yeah.

[Elaine]

A like they're their neighborhood watch.

[Asher]

Depending on the brand of old people.

[Elaine]

That's true.

[Asher]

You get like really friendly old people who have candy in their purse and like, will wave at you when you cross the road and stuff. Or you get really grumpy old people that don't like what you do with your house and they like, yell at you about it.

[Elaine]

That's true. Yeah, but like those old people, I.

[Asher]

Was like, do you have anything else to say? Do you have anything else to say.

[Elaine]

On the old people? I just said valid.

[Asher]

Good point.

[Elaine]

I just really like that old people are always in everybody's business.

[Asher]

I lived in an old people neighborhood once and it was great. Yeah, Everybody minded their own business and.

[Elaine]

I highly recommend it.

[Asher]

Yeah, there was a really good member of the Halloween party. Yeah.

[Elaine]

That's all I'm thinking about. Super cute. And the neighborhood watch of it all.

[Asher]

Yeah. I love.

[Elaine]

They're always like, what the is that car doing down here? Like, I love that.

[Asher]

That's also just me.

[Elaine]

Yeah. Some of my neighbors are super old. They're just like, they know everything. We got a group chat going on.

[Asher]

I love it. Wow.

[Elaine]

You have a group chat? Oh, hell yeah. My whole neighborhood. We know the second somebody comes in this neighborhood that doesn't belong, we're like, who the is that car? And everybody's like, oh, that's my cousin. Don't worry.

[Asher]

I'm a little too anti social for a group chat neighborhood.

[Elaine]

Oh, it's not a neighborhood group chat. The best part about this group chat is we all are that way. So it's literally like, what the is that car doing there? And somebody's like, oh, this person's having a party. Don't worry about it. And it's, like, cool.

[Asher]

That's it. That's it, that's it.

[Elaine]

But I love when I'll get the, like, what car is that? I'm like, yeah, yeah. What car is that?

[Asher]

I love it. Well, okay.

[Elaine]

So this.

[Asher]

This neighborhood was full of old people, so there's nobody for Heidi to play with, which stunk.

[Elaine]

That sucks.

[Asher]

And, you know, it meant that Heidi spent a lot more time playing by herself than her parents would have preferred. But she seemed happy enough. She didn't really seem to mind being alone, so they didn't really think about it that much. One afternoon, though, a few months after moving into the new house, Heidi asked her mom if she could go outside and play. And Lisa was like, yeah, totally. It's the 90s. Stay in the yard. And then from where she was standing at the kitchen sink, Lisa could see that Heidi was sitting on the grass. And it looked like she was just having a tea party with her dolls. And a few minutes passed, and when. When Lisa looked up again, Heidi had appeared beside her in the kitchen. And she asked if it was okay if she went on the swings to play with the man.

[Elaine]

No. No.

[Asher]

Yeah.

[Elaine]

The answer is no.

[Asher]

So the question caused Lisa's stomach to drop immediately. And she was like, what now what, ma'? Am? Years later, she told a reporter that her immediate thought was obviously that somebody was trying to kidnap her daughter.

[Elaine]

Yep.

[Asher]

So she looked out the window toward the swing that was hanging from an old tree, but she didn't see anybody. But she was concerned that now somebody was lurking outside. So she told her daughter to stay put. And she went into full mama bear mode. Grabbed a huge knife from the kitchen drawer. Yeah. And slowly walked out into the yard, just frantically looking in every direction for who she needed to stab.

[Elaine]

Yeah. Because if some man is asking my child to play on the swings, I am gonna stab them.

[Asher]

Yeah, that's fair.

[Elaine]

That's it.

[Asher]

It's called self defense. Look it up.

[Elaine]

It's called being a mom.

[Asher]

This isn't professional advice, but, yeah.

[Elaine]

No, it's just what I'm gonna do. Yeah. I don't give a shit what you do. I'm just. I'm doing that.

[Asher]

I was. I would.

[Elaine]

Yeah, you're. You're a man who asked my child to do anything. I'm gonna stab you.

[Asher]

Yeah, I love that. Put that on a shirt.

[Elaine]

That's it.

[Asher]

So she's out there. She's, like, looking around for who to stab. And it was only one of neighbor passing in. The car stopped to ask if she was okay, that she realized how bizarre she looked.

[Elaine]

I'm just creeping around with a knife.

[Asher]

Exactly.

[Elaine]

That's awesome.

[Asher]

So she was like, oh, yeah, yeah. Like, I'm fine. She didn't find anybody, so she just went back inside in the kitchen. She called her husband and was like, hey, you need to get the home immediately. She was like, I didn't see whoever it was that approached Heidi, But a man approached her and asked her to play, so please get home asap. She waited, and she sat Heidi down and talked to her about the importance of not talking to strangers, not playing with strangers.

[Elaine]

Good parenting.

[Asher]

Yeah. And then about an hour later, a half hour later, Andy got home, and Lisa filled him in again on what happened. He shared his wife's concerns, and he grabbed a pistol from the gun cabinet and also went out into the yard. Honestly, he searched.

[Elaine]

Just parenting up in these parts.

[Asher]

Yeah. He searched the entire property. He even went as far as to go in his truck and drive around the neighborhood.

[Elaine]

Love these people.

[Asher]

Like, he was like, I will find who asked my daughter to play.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

He said later, he said, I didn't know if he was trying to lure her off, abduct her, kidnap her, because you don't know about people these days, But I never. And he said, but I never did find nothing.

[Elaine]

No, that was in, like, the early 90s. Yeah. I didn't know about people in those days. Welcome to 2025, my friend. You really don't know about people these days. Exactly.

[Asher]

I love that they just went full send, though.

[Elaine]

Yeah. As you should let that person know. You don't ask my kid to do anything, or I'm coming at you with a pistol and a knife.

[Asher]

Yeah, and my truck. Yeah, and my truck. So as the weeks passed and Lisa and Andy's concern subsided a bit, they let Heidi go outside and play by herself again in the yard. It was the 90s. Not long after she done that, but, you know, not long after, she started talking about a new man, and she called him Mr. Gordy. According to Heidi, Mr. Gordy was a very nice older man who would come by the house whenever she was outside. She said he was average height, gray hair, and he always wore a dark suit. Okay. So the mention of Mr. Gordy raised her parents concerns about predators, obviously. Indeed. But Heidi didn't seem afraid of this man. She actually seemed pretty enthusiastic about having a new friend, and she just would talk about Mr. Gordy constantly. Lisa said she would tell me that Mr. Gordy had come to her when she was in Bed and talked to her. He would sit on the bed and just sit there and talk to her.

[Elaine]

Okay. Okay. I mean, he said, seems. Seems like a nice guy.

[Asher]

Seems friendly. Yeah.

[Elaine]

Because obviously he's not real. So where is he? I would assume.

[Asher]

I don't know.

[Elaine]

Unless he's coming in a room at night.

[Asher]

I don't know. So in the days that followed, she checked it. Lisa checked in with neighbors and asked if the name and description sounded familiar. But none of her neighbors knew anybody by that name, and they hadn't seen any unfamiliar old men in the area.

[Elaine]

Mr. Gordy's around.

[Asher]

Yeah, exactly. So she was like, all right, maybe this is kind of like an imaginary friend.

[Elaine]

Yeah. Like skeleton.

[Asher]

Yeah, like skeleton. Luke Skywalker.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

Naughty Martha.

[Elaine]

Yep.

[Asher]

So whenever either of her parents would ask where Mr. Gordy lived, Heidi would point to the sky and say, up there.

[Elaine]

Oh, yeah. Okay. Still, Lisa, the hard part of parenting just.

[Asher]

I know this is the. I'm not looking for when you really.

[Elaine]

Gotta keep it together and be, like, cool, awesome. I am not terrified at all.

[Asher]

Yeah. Well, that's the thing. Lisa wasn't entirely convinced that there was nothing to be worried about. So she stayed vigilant. She said after she described him, I kept my eye on her a lot. A lot more than I normally would have.

[Elaine]

Good for them. Good parenting.

[Asher]

Yeah. So as time passed, Mr. Gordy just was a regular fixture in the house. Heidi would bring up the subject of her friend on a daily basis. They even would humor her when she brought him up. They'd set an extra plate at lunch for Mr. Gordy.

[Elaine]

That's nice. It is.

[Asher]

Lisa said, I didn't see any harm in having an imaginary friend, especially when she didn't have anybody else to play with. But privately, she did start to wonder if it was healthy for Heidi to be so consumed by somebody who wasn't real.

[Elaine]

There's a fine line.

[Asher]

That's the thing. And I think they were specifically worried because she didn't really. She's three, so she's not, like, in. I don't know if she was in, like, preschool or dating daycare, really.

[Elaine]

It doesn't sound like a ton of other kids right now.

[Asher]

Right. So they're like, is this okay? So one afternoon a few months after they moved in, Heidi was playing in the living room alone when she heard a faint knocking at the door. And she jumped up, ran over, and she opened the door to find a man she didn't recognize standing before her. She said he seemed confused and upset and that his shirt was Covered in blood.

[Elaine]

Oh.

[Asher]

And so she asked him who he was, and she thought he said that his name was Khan. And she was like, are you hurt? Do you need help? But he didn't respond. He just kept staring at her.

[Elaine]

Close that door.

[Asher]

Yeah, close that door.

[Elaine]

Right.

[Asher]

So needless to say, the presence of a bloody man obviously made Heidi uneasy. She's a little girl. Yeah. So she ran into the kitchen and she told her mom there was somebody at the door covered in blood. And at first Lisa thought that she was talking about Mr. Gordy. But when she said when Heidi was like, no, I don't know this man and he's covered in blood, Lisa was like, oh, okay. Like, her heart sank. Oh, boy. She told a reporter later, Heidi said he was wearing a blood soaked white T shirt with a bandage on his arm and that he was younger than Mr. Gordy and scarier.

[Elaine]

Oh, yeah.

[Asher]

So that feeling of terror that she felt when Heidi first mentioned Mr. Gordy was back. And for the second time in a matter of months, she grabbed a kitchen knife and ran out into the yard. Damn. But again, she found nothing. She said, I felt kind of stupid looking for something that didn't really exist, something that might have been made up. So I just kind of played it off when she would talk about him and I'd laugh with her and agree with whatever she had to say.

[Elaine]

Yeah. Because what the fuck do you do at this point?

[Asher]

You go to a child psychologist.

[Elaine]

This is sixth sense shit.

[Asher]

That's exactly. That's all I could think of.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

So the weeks went on. And Heidi didn't mention Khan again. The. The bloody man.

[Elaine]

I don't like Khan.

[Asher]

Yeah, it's scary.

[Elaine]

So I was gonna say, is there more to Khan?

[Asher]

I don't know.

[Elaine]

More to come for Khan. Yeah.

[Asher]

Hang on. Just hang with. Hang tight. Hang with that.

[Elaine]

Okay.

[Asher]

So, yeah, she didn't mention him again. So Lisa and Andy just assumed whatever it was that had led their daughter to make up such an alarming story had passed.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

You know, kids especially, like, little kids make up stories all the time. They say weird shit that we are.

[Elaine]

They do.

[Asher]

Like, what are you talking about?

[Elaine]

Can confirm.

[Asher]

So they were like, you know, she just has a really active imagination.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

And she didn't seem scared anymore. She started talking about Mr. Gordy again. So it didn't seem like a ton of reason to be super concerned.

[Elaine]

Yeah, Mr. Gordy's back. Yeah.

[Asher]

They were just like, all right. That was weird. I guess we won't, like, return her just yet.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

So initially, the Mention of these two fictitious characters by Heidi had scared them, especially since the second of the two was covered in blood.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

But when neither man appeared to frighten her, freak her out in any way, they just decided to follow her lead, not make a big deal of it. Mr. Gordy remained a fixture, but she stopped kind of talking about the bloody man. So they figured, you know, this all passed, but that calm in the home was finally disrupted about 14 months after they moved in when Heidi started talking about a new character. Unlike Mr. Gordy, who was her kind companion or con, who, you know, his appearance kind of seemed to be a fluke, the description of this new man was vague and very threatening. She didn't bring him up as often as she talked about Mr. Gordy, but when he did come up, it was very clear to Lisa and Andy that the presence of this guy terrified Heidi, whoever or whatever she was seeing. She said he would always appear in shadowy parts of the house, wearing all black, that they had a hood pulled tightly around a face that she could never quite describe. Yeah. And for the first time since they moved in a year earlier, she started to feel unsafe. Like she was telling her parents she was scared.

[Elaine]

Oh, I hate that.

[Asher]

She started sleeping in their bed for weeks. And when they finally could get her back into her room, she wouldn't go to sleep if the lights were turned off. Like she was genuinely terrified.

[Elaine]

Oh, no.

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[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

And she was like, I think we need to do something about this. So she was concerned that her daughter didn't have enough of a support system. So she turned to her family. She'd always been really close with her family, and since they moved to the new house in Ellerslie, she hadn't been able to see them as much as she would liked or would have liked to. So when the house next door went up for sale, she called her sister Joyce and was like, hey, there's a house for sale.

[Elaine]

You want to move in?

[Asher]

What if you moved in next door? Joyce and her husband weren't even in the market for a house at this point, but they were like, it'd be pretty cool to live so close to like my sister.

[Elaine]

Wow.

[Asher]

So let's do it. So they bought the house.

[Elaine]

That's sick.

[Asher]

So not long after Joyce and her husband moved in, Joyce started actually noticing that Heidi was talking to herself in the yard a lot. And she was like, that was weird. Like, I was a little bit concerned about that. She asked Lisa about it and Lisa was like, yeah, like I think she has an imaginary friend. She kind of like plays with him all the time. And she explained that Heidi's imaginary friends were actually one of the reasons that she wanted Joyce to move closer in the first place. She was like, you know, maybe she'll rely a little bit on her, a little bit less on her imagination. And they also decided to get Heidi a dog. They got a mixed breed shepherd that they named Sheba.

[Elaine]

Oh, Sheba.

[Asher]

Sheba.

[Elaine]

Sheba's here.

[Asher]

So one afternoon, about a month after Joyce and her husband moved in, the previous owner of the house, Ms. Kelly, that's how she's known.

[Elaine]

Excuse me.

[Asher]

They're from the south, so they're like.

[Elaine]

That'S like Miss Kelly, you know.

[Asher]

So she stopped by with some documents related to the house that she thought Joyce might want to hang on to. And Joyce was kind of just like flicking through a folder of documents. And she stopped when a signature on Ms. Kelly's mother's estate jumped out at her. Mr. James S. Gordy. Mr. Gordy is real.

[Elaine]

Shut the up.

[Asher]

So immediately she's like, that's weird.

[Elaine]

He's lovely.

[Asher]

Yeah, well, she's like, that's weird. Like that's my niece's imaginary friend's name. Like, what are the odds so she asked Ms. Kelly who the man was, and she's like, what does his name mean here? And Ms. Kelly explained that James Gordy had been a lifelong family friend and he was actually the executor of her mother's estate when she passed. Yeah. And, ah, he was her business manager, kind of like a de facto caretaker of the estate.

[Elaine]

Wow.

[Asher]

So Gordy lived just a few houses down from this family with his wife Francis, until 1974 when they moved to Columbus. Joy said, I had this big great knot in my throat because that was the first time we had seen the name. I immediately thought, I wonder if this is the same Gordy that Heidi's been talking about.

[Elaine]

Holy.

[Asher]

So Ms. Kelly described Mr. Gordy, and it was like Heidi herself was describing him. He was a kind older man. He had silver gray hair and he always wore a dark suit.

[Elaine]

Holy.

[Asher]

Which is exactly what Heidi said. So Joyce was like, okay, you know, like, maybe I can put this mystery of her imaginary friend to rest.

[Elaine]

But don't worry, it's just a ghost.

[Asher]

That's the thing. Like, she's like, that's not super calming.

[Elaine]

Don't worry, it's not an imaginary friend. It's just a fucking ghost.

[Asher]

Yeah, well, and also she was like, is she seeing this guy? Like he lives a couple houses down, maybe like, he toots by and is like, oh, like, hello.

[Elaine]

Yeah. And goes about, oh, yeah, he dead?

[Asher]

Well, she didn't know yet. She didn't know yet. So she was like, oh, okay. Like, where does he live now? Like you said, he moved to Columbus. Yeah. And Ms. Kelly looked at her and was like, james Gordy died in 1974.

[Elaine]

Okay, good. I'm glad he's not just driving by being like, hi, little girl, you want to play on a swing? Because I'd be like, that's scary.

[Asher]

Yeah, that'd be pretty.

[Elaine]

Somehow that's scarier than him being a ghost.

[Asher]

I'd rather him be a ghost. Yeah.

[Elaine]

I would much rather that. Yeah. Because I think he's just being like, you got some crazy in this house. Exactly. Let me hang around and make sure it's okay.

[Asher]

Let me protect you, Mr. Gordy.

[Elaine]

Yeah, for life.

[Asher]

I love it.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

So later that day, Joyce told Lisa what she heard, including the part about Mr. Gordy having died more than two decades earlier.

[Elaine]

Yeah, about that.

[Asher]

And Lisa was like, so my 4 year old's just hanging out with a ghost? Like, I don't know if I believe that. But she also couldn't help but be curious about the lead that her sister had uncovered. So she went to the library and she started scrolling through the microfiche of the local paper from 1974 until she found James Gordy's obituary. And it was exactly what Joyce had said. He had been a fixture in their small community all his life. He lived just a few houses down, and he had died in 1974.

[Elaine]

James Gordy.

[Asher]

So Lisa was like, okay, like, what's that mean for my family and my daughter that she's hanging out with the ghost?

[Elaine]

Like, what the fuck?

[Asher]

But she decided that she needed to tell Heidi who he really was. Like, she wanted to be honest with her.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

So she sat her down and she said, it's kind of hard to describe the feeling that you have. I said, said, Heidi, Mr. Gordy has passed away. He's not a real person. And she said, well, mama, he's real to me. He's as real as you are. Whoa. Isn't that wild?

[Elaine]

He's also adorable.

[Asher]

James Gordy is adorable.

[Elaine]

Look at this man. Just like, imagine him just been like.

[Asher]

Hey, hey, girl, I'll push you on the swing. He was like. He was like, I won't let that weird demon guy near you. Yeah.

[Elaine]

Like, Mr. Gordy, I love that. She's like, as real as you, mama. I'd be like, whoa. Yeah.

[Asher]

Whoa. But it is so cool to think about, though, because, like, she wasn't seeing him as, like, spooky ghost character. Yeah. Or like, like translucent or anything like that in any way. Just like, full bodied, real human. Like, that's crazy to me. That's wild, right?

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

So she was like, she didn't even believe that he was dead. She was like, nah.

[Elaine]

Like.

[Asher]

And obviously she doesn't really understand the concept of ghost.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

She's like, whatever. So after the revelation that Mr. Gordy was probably a ghost, Lisa and Andy were no longer convinced. It was a great idea for Heidi to invest a lot in her relationship with him. Him, imaginary or otherwise. Lisa said years later, what do you do when you think your child is seeing something that you can't see? You can't even talk to them and say, leave her alone. Go back to where you came from.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

So when Heidi learned that Mr. Gordy had died, she actually asked her parents if they could go see his grave. She was like, I don't know if he died. Like, he looks as real as you do. So Lisa was like, okay. Like, maybe it will help the process of her letting him go. Like, I don't know.

[Elaine]

There's nothing in the parenting handbook that Tells you how to handle these situations. So I think. I think they're doing a great job so far.

[Asher]

So too, like, they're doing what they can do. And she's like, we don't want her to be like, attached to this man. And like.

[Elaine]

But you also don't want to like, rip the idea away from her and be like, no, you can't. You know, like, this is hard.

[Asher]

And like, she's a 4 year old, so she's not really fully understanding life and death.

[Elaine]

No.

[Asher]

So they're like, well, when you die, like, you.

[Elaine]

You go here, you know, like, she's like, let me see.

[Asher]

Exactly. So a few days later, Lisa, Heidi and Lisa's father in law drove to the cemetery where Mr. Gordy was buried. And the car had barely come to a stop. And Heidi jumped out of the back seat and ran straight to Mr. Gordy's grave. She was four years old. She could not read. And obviously she hadn't memorized the layout of a cemetery.

[Elaine]

No.

[Asher]

But she knew the exact location of his grave and ran over to it.

[Elaine]

I think she's seeing Mr. Gordy, guys.

[Asher]

Nice.

[Elaine]

She absolutely is.

[Asher]

I'm like, was he over there?

[Elaine]

Like, he's just like, hey, I'm over here. Like, makes sense.

[Asher]

Hello?

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

So Lisa and Andy are like, all right. Like, we don't really know how to process this. Like, we're not having a great time out here.

[Elaine]

No.

[Asher]

But at the same time, they were like, well, it doesn't seem like she's distressed about it.

[Elaine]

That's the thing.

[Asher]

So they were like, okay, like, I.

[Elaine]

Guess you can hang. She used to be nice with Ghosty Gordy. Yeah, well, hey, that's what I do with Skeleton. I was like, he's a nice guy, you say?

[Asher]

But that's like so different that. Imagine finding out Skeleton's backst historian, that he lived like a few houses down a few decades ago.

[Elaine]

I mean, that'd be crazy.

[Asher]

That would rock your.

[Elaine]

That would rock my.

[Asher]

And you'd be like, should you hang out with. Should this grown man ghost be hanging.

[Elaine]

Out with my kid? That's the thing.

[Asher]

Like, that's a lot.

[Elaine]

That's a lot to take up.

[Asher]

That's a lot to swallow.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

But at the same time, like, like I just said, she didn't seem stressed. And she also hadn't brought up Khan very much lately or that other dark figure that really scared her. So they were like, I guess this benevolent spirit is. Was a better alternative.

[Elaine]

Gonna go with it.

[Asher]

Yeah. But a few months after finding the grave at the cemetery. All of that would change. And Lisa was like, I think that there's something more happening here. So one night in spring of 1990, Lisa and her niece Kelly were just sitting in the living room at the Wyrick house. They were actually arranging flowers for an upcoming wedding, and they started hearing weird noises in the kitchen. Sheba, their dog, who was just treble, who was lying on the floor beside the couch, got up and went into the kitchen. So they were like, okay. Like, we're not crazy. Like, Sheba hears it too. And a few moments later, Lisa and Kelly could hear Sheba growling and snarling.

[Elaine]

Oh.

[Asher]

So they were like, what the. So they go in the kitchen, they try to see what it is, and there was nothing there. Kelly said it was like Sheba could see something, but we couldn't see anything. That was terrifying. A few days later, Sheba ran away and never came back.

[Elaine]

Are you kidding me?

[Asher]

Sheba ran away, and they literally never saw Sheba again.

[Elaine]

I have two things to say about that. One, Holy, that's terrifying. Two, what a shitty dog. What a shit dog.

[Asher]

Well, he was a puppy.

[Elaine]

I can tell you right now. Blanche would an otherworldly creature up for me.

[Asher]

Honestly, that's a shitty dog. I know. I was like, it's a puppy.

[Elaine]

But just abandoned his family.

[Asher]

Well, whatever he saw must have been really scary. Yeah.

[Elaine]

And he said, you guys can deal with it. Good luck. Like, what the kind of dog did they get?

[Asher]

He said, listen, you're the parents.

[Elaine]

Damn.

[Asher]

I know. Dolo. Last night was literally bar. We have, like. Like, a front room area in our house, and it's, like, super dark, and she was just barking into the abyss of the dark room for no reason. There was no.

[Elaine]

Because she was like, I'll someone up.

[Asher]

So I. I fully think she.

[Elaine]

Yeah, she would go for go crazy Blanche again. I think I've said this before. Blanche will wear Jon's skin if she could. Like, she loves Jon so much more than anything has ever loved John.

[Asher]

Leaves and she goes and sits on a chair that faces the driveway and waits for him to come back. Like, she.

[Elaine]

She wants to wear him.

[Asher]

She loves him. She does.

[Elaine]

If he jokes about, like, poking me or tickling me, she will dive from the other room, come running in, and she will literally, like, growl, bark, jump on him. Like, like, literally go to bite him until he walks away. Yeah. And then she's like, love you, but she's like, don't touch her. Like, she is my girl.

[Asher]

And if.

[Elaine]

And if he, like, play tickles the girls, too. She attacks him. Like, she will not let anyone touch us. That my girl bl. I mean, Sidney might sleep through the whole thing. She would never leave Blanche. Something up.

[Asher]

She would.

[Elaine]

That would never leave me to deal with a ghost. I'm really upset about Cheap.

[Asher]

I know you're big mad. Big Red is big mad.

[Elaine]

Because dogs I know, in general, I know will lay down their life for you. Like, they just once hear their family. I'm like, damn.

[Asher]

I mean, like, wow.

[Elaine]

I feel it.

[Asher]

That's the I. That's why I feel like this. Whatever Sheba saw had to be really bad.

[Elaine]

It certainly did.

[Asher]

So, so bad.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

Like, maybe even Blanche and Sydney would like, at least. No, like, I didn't say it. Run away and you never see them again. They would tuck their tails.

[Elaine]

They would, you know. Yeah, I could see that.

[Asher]

You never know for sure. So here's the thing.

[Elaine]

Really upset about that.

[Asher]

Really sucked that they never saw she again.

[Elaine]

That's a lot.

[Asher]

It was also the first time that somebody other than Heidi had seen or heard something supernatural in the house since they'd moved in, like, a year and a half earlier. Yeah. And that fact frightened the shit out of Lisa. She was like, I fucking hate this.

[Elaine]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Asher]

So wanting to learn as much as she could out about the Property, she called Ms. Kelly.

[Elaine]

Ms. Kelly.

[Asher]

Yeah. The previous owner of her sister's house, if you didn't remember. And she asked if she would come over for a visit. Ms. Kelly's family had lived in the area for, like, generations. So Lisa was like, if anybody knows anything about what's going on here, it's going to be Ms. Kelly. So Ms. Kelly told her that she'd never seen anything unusual and never had any kind of supernatural experiences on, around or around the property. And as far as she knew, no one in her family had either. So she was like, can't really help you there.

[Elaine]

Sorry.

[Asher]

But what she did do was she brought a photo album that had pictures, like, of the property that proved to be vital to solving one mystery. Lisa and Heidi were just, like, flipping through the album of old photos. And Heidi stopped at one black and white photo. And it showed a group of five men standing in front of a house that Lisa recognized as her sister's house next door. And Heidi pointed to one of the men in the photo and said, that's Khan, the one with the blood on his shirt.

[Elaine]

What?

[Asher]

Like, pointed him out. So Ms. Kelly looked at the photo, and she was like, oh, that's my uncle. His name is Lon.

[Elaine]

Oh, My God.

[Asher]

That's crazy.

[Elaine]

That's weird.

[Asher]

That's literally crazy.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

His name was Lon Bachelor. And when he was a teenager, he got his arm caught in a cotton gin and it was torn off just below the elbow.

[Elaine]

Oh.

[Asher]

And he lived on the property until his death in 1957.

[Elaine]

What?

[Asher]

So she had literally, like, experienced some kind of residual haunting because he ran next door and like knocked on the door, obviously. Because Heidi opened the door and he was asking for help.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

And his elbow was like bandaged and he was covered in blood.

[Elaine]

Oh, my God.

[Asher]

So like that's fully a residual haunting.

[Elaine]

That's terrifying.

[Asher]

And the fact that like, she got his name so close. Yeah. And it's. I mean, it's a four year old, so. Or like a three year old at the time. So she probably just like, like. Yeah, you know, repeated it wrong.

[Elaine]

Yeah, of course.

[Asher]

That's crazy.

[Elaine]

That's terrifying.

[Asher]

And Lisa was like, yeah, this is so scary because now two imaginary friends have turned up confirmed. Like, that's the thing she said. Just to know the fact that he passed away and had lived on the land scared me to death.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

But it also suggested that maybe there was other entities lurking about the property, including the dark figure that she was absolutely terrified of the. And a few nights later, those fears became even more real. So days later, Andy was out of the house. And this one just ruins me. So Andy's not home. Lisa gets out of the shower and she's blow drying her hair in the bedroom. And Heidi was sitting in her parents bedroom just like looking at a book. And the bathroom's connected. So at one point, Heidi stopped looking at the book and she crawled to the end of the bed to get her mom's attention in the bathroom. And Lisa was like, yeah, like, what's up? And Heidi goes, are you sure you won't be scared if I tell you this?

[Elaine]

Nope. Can't promise that, babe.

[Asher]

Lisa was like, yeah, totally. Like, what's up, girl? Heidi looked her mom dead in the eyes and whispered, there's a man behind you.

[Elaine]

Oh. Oh. I.

[Asher]

We would go. I would run out of the house. We'd be going to Wendy's, get a faux for fo. I think I would need a faux fo.

[Elaine]

Fo. I would cry.

[Asher]

I would run out of the home. I don't care in what state of dress I was in. Grab your robe and go.

[Elaine]

That would be one of those situations where as a parent, you just sit there and I think one single tear would probably escape my eye. And I would probably just stand there and be like, yeah, yeah, it's real. What do you do?

[Asher]

What do you do?

[Elaine]

You just like, what? Where is he? It was like when the girls told me about the kids, the people with the.

[Asher]

With the scissors.

[Elaine]

And I said, are they. Where are they? And they said, all around you.

[Asher]

Yeah.

[Elaine]

And I was like, huh?

[Asher]

You were just standing in the middle of. You just.

[Elaine]

You gotta keep it together.

[Asher]

Mob of scissor carriers.

[Elaine]

Because you sit there and you're like, okay, what do I do here? Do I my kid up or do I hold it together and maybe get my ass killed?

[Asher]

I think, hold it together and maybe.

[Elaine]

Get your ass killed. Scissored. I don't like, it's. I didn't know it was gonna happen.

[Asher]

I think Lisa, she was brave like you.

[Elaine]

Yeah, you gotta.

[Asher]

But inside, I think she was freaking 100%.

[Elaine]

Yeah. I would want to vomit all over myself.

[Asher]

Well, the thing was, it seemed like figuring out the real identities of Mr. Gordy and Lon kind of opened up like a door in the house. And now it seemed like they were just having terrifying experiences on the regular.

[Elaine]

So she's like, cool, it's Tuesday. Yeah, love.

[Asher]

I love Tuesdays. So a few months after Sheba had run away, and just a week or two after, Heidi was like, hey, there's a man blow drying your hair. Lisa and her deed just dying at.

[Elaine]

Your hatred of Sheba. I'm real mad at Sheba. Give him dogs a bad name.

[Asher]

So a few weeks after that, Lisa and her niece Kelly had another scary experience. They were sitting in the living room just chatting, and they heard like a shuffling sound in the kitchen. And Sheba wasn't there to confirm anything.

[Elaine]

No, she wasn't.

[Asher]

So both of them looked up in the direction of the dining room table just in time to see one of the chairs swing out from the table and slide toward them from across the floor, stopping from like, a few feet from where it had been.

[Elaine]

That also makes me think that this ghost was just like, girls. Yeah, I'm coming to sit.

[Asher]

I want to join you. Who are we talking about today? Yeah, right.

[Elaine]

I'd be like, you wanna. You want to just chat? What's going on? What do you do?

[Asher]

I don't know. Well, and Kelly goes, when you're there in broad daylight and a chair just moves, you don't really have any alternative but to believe that there's something in the house.

[Elaine]

Yeah. What else do you. You. I mean, what else could that be?

[Asher]

I mean, I have that.

[Elaine]

It just swings out from the table. And like scoots over to you. I'd be like, okay, I'd be like, join us.

[Asher]

Hey, question mark.

[Elaine]

Do you like want something to drink?

[Asher]

Like, who do you talk shit about?

[Elaine]

What's going on?

[Asher]

What's your afterlife issue? You got the hot goss of the afterlife. So after two years in the house, or almost two years in the house during only which time, like usually Heidi was the one to see anything unusual. And like the entities in the house, house, whatever they were, now they were making their presence known to everybody in the house. And not long after Lisa and Kelly experienced the chair moving on its own, Heidi started to see the dark entity moving around the house again. Except this time she was convinced that it wanted to hurt her.

[Elaine]

Oh, I hate that.

[Asher]

One night everybody was asleep and Heidi went into her parents bedroom and woke them up and said the dark man had been in her bedroom and she was terrified.

[Elaine]

I would wanna.

[Asher]

You just made me literally my parents pants. I didn't actually my pants, but I truly almost my pants. Michael. Michael, you know what? You're fired.

[Elaine]

I think my aura ring is going to be like, oh, you died. Like, I think it's going to be like, oh, rip you. My heart stopped.

[Asher]

Mine felt like it kind of exploded throughout my body.

[Elaine]

Literally. It was just like a firework. Like it just stopped. It was like, oh, you should be dead.

[Asher]

Our music is creepy.

[Elaine]

It is. Damn. Especially during this. Got to take my gu. Also, I would, I'd want to kill that shadow man. Oh, I know he's probably already dead, but I would want to bring him back to life so I could kill him again.

[Asher]

You want to kill him now?

[Elaine]

You're in my kid's room. I'll your world up, buddy.

[Asher]

Not only was he in her room this time, they saw fresh scratches on her cheek.

[Elaine]

Oh, it's on site.

[Asher]

They said it literally looked like an animal with claws had swiped at her.

[Elaine]

It is on site. So that would burn that house to the ground.

[Asher]

Oh, I would be out of there.

[Elaine]

Yeah, I would be out of there. Light it ablaze.

[Asher]

But also it's like they don't have like a ton of money to buy another house. They got this house. Like they got a good deal on this house.

[Elaine]

Because I was gonna say just ask Esther Cox. In the last story we did, she burned down a barn and she stayed in jail for like a month. It's true.

[Asher]

So she had, she had supporters.

[Elaine]

She did.

[Asher]

This was a little more current, a little different. I don't know.

[Elaine]

A little different. I don't know.

[Asher]

If the Georgians would take kindly, I don't know, burning their house down.

[Elaine]

But.

[Asher]

So this felt like. This felt like a warning.

[Elaine]

Ah, yeah.

[Asher]

And it was one. They were like, yeah, I hear you. They went over to Joyce's house and they stayed there until the next morning. If they hoped that a night away from the house would calm whatever was in Heidi's room the night before, they were wrong.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

The next night, they all die. This is the. I'm like, how are you guys going to sleep in here?

[Elaine]

Yeah. No, you got to go somewhere else.

[Asher]

So they go to bed.

[Elaine]

You're close to your family. Stay with family.

[Asher]

I know. Andy wakes up in the middle of the night to this burning, intense pain in his side. He said he jumped out of bed and ran in the bathroom to look in the mirror, and he saw three scratches on his side that looked just like the scratches that had been on Heidi's face the night before.

[Elaine]

Damn. Yeah.

[Asher]

He said, as soon as I woke up, my side was burning just like fire, and I had three claw marks going up my side. I knew that something was doing it, but I didn't know what.

[Elaine]

Hate that.

[Asher]

Hate it so much. He woke up again the next night in the middle of the night, and this time there was even more scratches across his whole body. Lisa said he had him down his back, his legs. These were deep, long gashes. And it went on for several nights. No, she's like, how do you go to sleep after that happens? Even one time?

[Elaine]

What are you supposed to do there?

[Asher]

I don't know. I would. I think I'd probably rather sleep in the backyard than in the house.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

No, I'd be like, we're camping tonight.

[Elaine]

Yeah. I'd be like, we're camping forever.

[Asher]

No, we live in our car now.

[Elaine]

This is what we do.

[Asher]

We're a van fam.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

So after everything that had happened and everything they learned, Lisa and Andy started to wonder if it was safe for them to stay in the house at all, Especially because Heidi was just terrified at all times now.

[Elaine]

Ye. Yeah.

[Asher]

But like I said, like, they're living on limited means. They can't afford to move.

[Elaine]

I know. That's the thing. It's not as easy as just, like, you can't just pick a house there anymore. Like, Nope.

[Asher]

Well, like I said, they got a deal on the house, so they would have probably also taken a loss if they tried to. If they tried to sell it.

[Elaine]

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[Asher]

So before taking, you know, a consequential step of defaulting on their mortgage, they decided to look for somebody who might be able to help them and, you know, get the peace and calm in the house again.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

On a trip to the local library, Lisa started looking up organizations and people who studied the paranormal. And one name that jumped out at her was Dr. William Rule. He has played like a huge part in the history of paranormal investigation, especially more like modern day investigations. He's a classically trained psychologist and he's been involved in like some of the most high profile paranormal investigations in the US including the alleged poltergeist in the Home of a Seaford, Long island family and the investigation into the telekinetic abilities of Tina Resch. Oh, yeah, I know. I think we've talked about that case before.

[Elaine]

We've met. Yeah.

[Asher]

Not on Morbid, but I think you and I have, like, talked about it. And she was from Ohio, so he was at the forefront of the field since it started to kind of formalize in the 1950s. So Lisa was like, I feel like there's really nobody better suited to help us.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

So she placed a call to his office. She kind of gave like, a brief overview of everything that had been happening. And later he said, when Lisa called me, she was definitely upset. It was an unusual case in my experience because Heidi described somebody she had never met. But then Heidi described some frightening experiences followed by the scratches on her and her father. And that's very rare in the type of investigation that I do. But based on everything he heard, he was like, hell, yeah, I wanna. I wanna investigate.

[Elaine]

This shit's going down.

[Asher]

And a few weeks later, he was sitting down with the family in their living room, in George etc, just as he usually did at the start of his investigations. He started by interviewing the members of the family alone and together so that he could get their accounts of what they had seen and heard since moving in and, you know, confirm that everybody was kind of telling the truth, he said. Or in his experience with working with children, he knew that they obviously had a tendency to make things up and exaggerate, usually without understanding any kind of consequences. And he wanted to make sure that wasn't what was happening here, here. But he said, when I spoke to Heidi and I spoke to the whole family, they felt evidently sane. So he said, I think some was going on here.

[Elaine]

Yeah, they don't seem cuckoo.

[Asher]

He said, I think this shit's really happening. So based on the interviews, he came to the conclusion that to Heidi, the entities that she interacted with looked and felt like they were real people. She said she could hear them, she could see them, she could touch them, and they looked to her just like any other adult would look book. And that explained why a lot of them didn't really frighten her in the way that, you know, a. Like an entity would. Yeah, like the dark entity. Or like it might frighten an adult if you saw a dead person.

[Elaine]

Yeah. So according to Roll, Live, people are scarier to me.

[Asher]

It depends on the situation. Yeah. But you're not wrong. So according to Roll, Heidi was experiencing what he described as place memory events, which is events in people from the past, whose energy had been retained in the ether and somehow broke through into Heidi's reality. Obsessed with this, he said, she picked up those traces and in her mind, constructed those persons like Mr. Gordy. That's what makes this case to me so unique. He said when he showed Heidi a photo array of various older men, she didn't hesitate to identify the one picture of James Gordy. Wow. That he incorporated into the mix. So he was like. She was absolutely seeing this man.

[Elaine]

Because Mr. Gordy. No offense to Mr. Gordy. He looks, like, a lot of kind. Older.

[Asher]

Yeah. He's like a. You know, like.

[Elaine]

Like, I don't know if I could pick.

[Asher]

He's an older.

[Elaine]

Very easily. So it's like. But she's spending so much time with him that she's like, oh, that's my guy. Yeah, that's crazy.

[Asher]

And he's like, she's, like, four, too. Yeah. She's literally four years old. And he's like. He's showing her, like, older men to be like, do you just, like, think that all old men are mis.

[Elaine]

They all have silver hair.

[Asher]

But it's like, no, this is the one. And she knows it.

[Elaine]

Damn.

[Asher]

Like, that's big.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

So his theory of place memory is.

[Elaine]

It's, like, complicated.

[Asher]

But essentially, he believes that. That the energy of people and the environment gets stored in the fabric of space and time.

[Elaine]

I love that.

[Asher]

I'm. I kind of like. I'm like, this is. I think he's on to something here.

[Elaine]

He makes a lot of sense.

[Asher]

He says when there are major shifts in electromagnetic fields, that energy can break through into the present, and that can cause somebody to literally see a person or place just like it appeared in the past.

[Elaine]

That. That's different than anything we've heard. That's.

[Asher]

It also kind of accounts for deja vu in a weird way.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

A little bit. What it made me think of.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

But he said when Heidi saw Those people, like, Mr. Gordy or Lawn in the aftermath of his incident or his accident, William Roll believed that her mind created, like, a narrative around what she was seeing to make sense of what she was seeing.

[Elaine]

Okay.

[Asher]

And in that sense, he explained to her parents that she wasn't technically seeing ghosts, at least not as somebody might typically understand them. Them. She was seeing a representation of something from the past.

[Elaine]

Whoa.

[Asher]

Which is fascinating.

[Elaine]

His way of describing it is, like, very fascinating.

[Asher]

It gets even more fascinating and, like.

[Elaine]

Makes a lot of sense.

[Asher]

It kind of does.

[Elaine]

Like, you're just like, okay, well, because you.

[Asher]

And I say it A lot. I do think that ghosts are made up of energy. Like, I think that's a big part of it. And I think it's, like, left. Because energy can't be destroyed. Created or destroyed. Exactly. So it's like. I think there is something in us that.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

Is energy.

[Elaine]

It's gotta go somewhere.

[Asher]

And that's the thing. Like, it's got to continue on. And it, like, goes into space and time and, like, the ether.

[Elaine]

This is very Donnie Darko.

[Asher]

It's so Donnie Darko. That's what I was thinking of. So to further build his case, he and his associates started actually taking scientific measurements of the environment in and around the house. They read electromagnetic fields around the house, and they took temperature readings in all the different rooms. Rooms. And he said the experience in a haunt site includes drops in temperature and sometimes increases in temperature. So, among other things, he was particularly interested in Heidi's reports of seeing the dark entity around the house. And she usually saw him in her bedroom. And in that room, he found that there was a strong. A source of strong positive ions, particularly in the spot right next to her bed, which is where she would see the. The dark entity.

[Elaine]

Okay.

[Asher]

So according to him and other paranormal investigators in general, large concentrations of positive ions can have a negative experience on a person's mood and perception. And it can kind of cause us to hallucinate.

[Elaine]

Whoa.

[Asher]

Yeah. And, like, think you see things that aren't there.

[Elaine]

I love the science of all this.

[Asher]

Isn't it so cool?

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

So after finishing his investigation, he came to the conclusion that it wasn't really ghosts or devils or demons causing the unusual experiences in the house. House. He said instead, they were kind of experiencing a sort of hallucination caused by the natural environment in and around the house.

[Elaine]

Okay, but where did the scratches come from?

[Asher]

That's the thing.

[Elaine]

That's the next question.

[Asher]

We'll get there. He also learned that there was a seismic fault near the property that could also be affecting the energy around the house. And that what. That could be what was causing the experiences in Heidi's room in particular.

[Elaine]

Interesting.

[Asher]

So he provided the Wyricks with a plausible explanation for, you know, why they were seeing what they were seeing. And he hoped that it would give their mind some peace. But, you know, Andy and Lisa appreciated the efforts, but they were a little bit unsatisfied because, like you said, the scratches.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

Andy said, I think Dr. Roll is a smart man. I know what he said has got a lot to do with it, but I don't believe that's all there is to it.

[Elaine]

Yeah, because you gotta explain the scratches.

[Asher]

That's the thing. He couldn't include the scratches that appeared on Heidi or the scratches that appeared on her father.

[Elaine]

Father.

[Asher]

So that's.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

And he was like, yeah, like, I can't.

[Elaine]

Yeah, I don't know about that. It reminds me when you were saying, like, all. It's all like, about the land, essentially. I know I mentioned this before, that like the Sylvia Brown of it all. Remember that psychic they used to. There's like one clip of her where she gets something clearly wrong because she's not a real psychic. And in my opinion, she gets something clearly wrong and this person's like, yeah, I don't know.

[Asher]

Like nobody really listen.

[Elaine]

Lived like, it's a new house. So, like, that doesn't make sense, whatever she had said. And she goes, honey, it's the land. Immediately when they're just like. So there's no ghost. And he's like, honey, it's the land. Honey, it's the land. That's his answer for what?

[Asher]

It's the land.

[Elaine]

Why is this all happening? Honey, it's the land. Immediately. Pull up that clip. Can you please pull it up? That's what she says is, honey, it's the land.

[Asher]

I need to see this.

[Elaine]

Our house is only 10 years old. Honey, the land. How old do you think the land is? Honey, the land. Honey, the land. And then she goes, all land is ancient.

[Asher]

I mean, all right.

[Elaine]

Sylvia Brown, if nothing else, always had an answer. Good for her. She's like, my house is only 10 years old.

[Asher]

The land, honey.

[Elaine]

Honey, the land. Land is fucking old, you know?

[Asher]

No, honestly, my house is new and I've had weird ass experiences.

[Elaine]

Honey, it's the land.

[Asher]

Did I tell this story on the Potter? I don't know the one where I was like, the. Is she okay?

[Elaine]

Oh, yeah, that.

[Asher]

In case I haven't. I'll just say really quickly. So I had Elena's kids.

[Elaine]

I just got chilled this me up.

[Asher]

And it's one of the only haunted experiences I've ever had at my house.

[Elaine]

But I was like, wow.

[Asher]

I don't know if I've told Dub Dubs in the pod lab today. So I'm telling Dub Dub and she's.

[Elaine]

Like, what the is this?

[Asher]

So I was. And I'm telling you guys too. So let's listen up. Listen up. So I had Elena's kids over for a sleepover and I went in to like, check on them because, like, you do that in the night. So I gotta Check out them while they're at my house. And I'm like, hella responsible for them, so that's scary. So I go in and I was like, tucking the youngest in, and she was kind of like whimpering in her sleep a little bit. And I was like, oh, like, are you having a weird dream? And I was like, rubbing her back, and I was sitting on the edge of her bed, and it was like a blow up mattress. So I was like, right near the doorway, and it was like, cracked a little bit. And I heard, is she okay? And I turned, like, to the point where I literally turned around because I thought it was drew. And I turned and there was nobody there. But I heard clear as day, is she okay?

[Elaine]

Which also, what a great ghost I know that is.

[Asher]

They're like, is she okay?

[Elaine]

Was everything good?

[Asher]

I literally have, like, chills.

[Elaine]

I literally have chilled whenever you told me that. Every time you bring it up, I get chills.

[Asher]

And I literally. I went to my bedroom and drew was asleep. Like, it wasn't even possible for him to have said that. And I could not calm down. It was like the weirdest feeling.

[Elaine]

That's so creepy.

[Asher]

Honey the land.

[Elaine]

Honey, the land.

[Asher]

And I do live on really old, like, super old land.

[Elaine]

So, like, Massachusetts. Honey, the land. Honey, the land.

[Asher]

That should honestly just be Massachusetts.

[Elaine]

Welcome to Massachusetts. Honey, the land.

[Asher]

Let's put it on the side. Who do we call?

[Elaine]

That's what we need. That needs to be some of our merch. It needs to be a welcome to massachusetts sign that says honey the land.

[Asher]

How do we make it sound like that on the shirt?

[Elaine]

People will know. You can't say honey the land. You can't say honey the land without saying honey, the land. People are like, stop saying it. I will never, ever.

[Asher]

I will forever look forward to your merch. Okay, so Mr. Roll could not account for the scratches, but honey, the land. As the years went by by the haunting continued. The wirecs were trying to just, like, you know, live normal life, but was always going down. Several years after they moved into the house, Lisa had a second daughter. Lisa and Andy had a second daughter, Jordan.

[Elaine]

Oh, congrats.

[Asher]

And Lisa's. I think she's like a stay at home mom. So that was occupying a lot of her attention. And by the time Heidi entered her teen years, Mr. Gordy kind of was like a faint memory from childhood. She wasn't like, hanging out with him that much, but bummer. But in 2002, she told a reporter, it's been a while since I've seen Mr. Gordy. I do miss seeing him. I always will. I considered him one of my friends.

[Elaine]

Oh.

[Asher]

But unfortunately, while Mr. Gordy and Lon had disappeared from Heidi's life, the dark, faceless entity stayed.

[Elaine]

Oh, hate that.

[Asher]

And just, like, menaced her from the shadows.

[Elaine]

Ew.

[Asher]

Whenever he would appear. Yeah. Now, eventually, the phenomenon at the Wyreck house became known to the rest of the residents living in Ellersley because the story appeared on Unsolved Mysteries. Oh, hell, yeah. In the fall of 1994. The original one I get. I literally read Unsolved Mysteries. I hear that song, and I can immediately. I can feel it. I used to watch that with Judy all the time. I used to live with this older lady named Judy, and she was the tits. We used to watch Unsolved Mysteries and Law and Order and the Red Sox.

[Elaine]

I always watch. Watch Unsolved Mysteries and then immediately watch Rescue 91 1. And that's why I am who I am now.

[Asher]

I love that. And honestly, Judy is why I am who I am now. So, yeah, Unsolved Mysteries. But in the interview, Heidi described a lot of the ghosts that she saw around the house, including Mr. Gordian Lawn, and told her, she told her aunt that Mr. Gordy informed her a lot of money was buried under Joyce's pecan tree. I. I don't know if they found it or not.

[Elaine]

Guys, we got to find out. Figure it out. We got to find out. Did they find.

[Asher]

If they found a lot of money under the pean tree?

[Elaine]

Pecan.

[Asher]

Pecan or pean. Did you say pean or pecan?

[Elaine]

I don't know. I was just trying to figure that out.

[Asher]

What do I say?

[Elaine]

Pean.

[Asher]

It was a big argument on Halloween. Baking championship this year.

[Elaine]

It. I look at that. Pean, right? You're like.

[Asher]

You do.

[Elaine]

Like, I know this about you. You say peanut again. Did they find the money under Joyce's pentry?

[Asher]

Heidi.

[Elaine]

That's the song of this segment.

[Asher]

Joyce Pen. Tre.

[Elaine]

It's not going to be a recurring segment. Imagine if it is. If there's another story where we're like, did they find the money under Joyce's pentry?

[Asher]

It's not going to be a recurring segment. I don't know. I can't find out. I guess we won't put that in.

[Elaine]

They did, but. But.

[Asher]

So eventually, when the press attention started causing problems for Heidi at school, the family decided to step back from the spotlight. They didn't do any more interviews. That pisses me off. That, like, gave her issues at school. Yeah.

[Elaine]

Like, people get it together.

[Asher]

I would want to be her friend for sure.

[Elaine]

This is why we can't have nice things. Cuz people ruin it.

[Asher]

Yeah, they sure do.

[Elaine]

You can't just be like, ooh, ah, fun. Like, they gotta go ruin her experience.

[Asher]

So stepping back from the spotlight was obviously good for, like, Heidi's mental and social health. And it didn't really do much to stop the supernatural activity, though. By the time Jordan was born, it had become a lot more aggressive in nature. In one of the more frightening incidents, Andy and Lisa went out for the night and left Jordan with a babysitter. And the babysitter went to check on Jordan at one point in the night and she discovered a, quote, ribbon with eight knots tied tightly around Jordan's neck. Yeah, yeah. Yup.

[Elaine]

Here's my. Here's my very cynical question. Did they look into that babysitter?

[Asher]

I don't know. I hope so.

[Elaine]

Did we Cory check the babysitter?

[Asher]

Probably. They seem like good parents, so I'm sure.

[Elaine]

I mean, they do.

[Asher]

Lisa literally probably would have like, grabbed a kitchen knife if she thought it was the babysitter.

[Elaine]

So, like, what the.

[Asher]

I don't think it was the babysitter. I think it was the josts.

[Elaine]

What the.

[Asher]

AKA Ghost. Ghosts. Yeah. As the years passed, the activity continued and it started involving other members of the family. There was a long period where Lisa would regularly hear a growling sound coming from her bed as she and Andy were like, just trying to fall asleep. And Heidi kept seeing obviously that faceless, dark entity. And in time, when Jordan got older, she started seeing and hearing spirits, particularly a little girl who she said had been killed in a car accident near the property party.

[Elaine]

What the.

[Asher]

Yeah. So since the first visit from William Roll in the early 90s, they've continued searching for somebody who can help resolve whatever's going on there. They think there's a demonic infestation in their house.

[Elaine]

Yeah.

[Asher]

And I tend to agree. They turn to Roll on a few more occasions, but because he doesn't believe that they're being haunted and instead believes that the phenomena has to do with like, Heidi's kind of psychic abilities and like the electromagnetic field fields, he was like, there's really not a lot I can do to help you.

[Elaine]

Oh no.

[Asher]

So they found some support from their church and a local psychic who shares the family's faith. That individual encouraged the Wyricks to rid themselves of the infestation through regular prayer and fasting. I don't believe that fasting is going to do it, but I hope that they find some relief there. But they rely on their Christian support network, and they do different things. Like. Like they get anointed with oil to try to repel the spirits and expel the demons.

[Elaine]

Whatever brings you comfort.

[Asher]

Well, that's the thing.

[Elaine]

Whatever brings you comfort and feels like it works, then go forth and comfort.

[Asher]

Yeah. And it makes them feel good, they said. Like, it makes them feel empowered to stay in their house. But to date, they still are experiencing paranormal activity in the house.

[Elaine]

Damn.

[Asher]

And that is the story of the Wick family. Haunted.

[Elaine]

Holy.

[Asher]

Isn't that a crazy one? I really like.

[Elaine]

I want this family. I want them to have peace.

[Asher]

I do, too. I really like that.

[Elaine]

I genuinely want them to have peace.

[Asher]

I know. As soon as Lisa pulled out a kitchen knife and went out into the backyard.

[Elaine]

Yeah. I said, that's my girl right there.

[Asher]

And then Andy started driving around the town and was like, I will find whoever did this. Yeah, I want to hang out with them.

[Elaine]

Those are. Those are parents right there.

[Asher]

Exactly.

[Elaine]

What, you asked my kid to get on a swing with you.

[Asher]

I'll kill you.

[Elaine]

I'll kill you. You. Like, those are good parents. They just are.

[Asher]

I just think it's crazy that not, like, not one time, but twice. She would literally was like, oh, yeah, like, that's Mr. Gordy. And then was like, oh, that's Khan. And then Khan turned out to be Lawn. Like, what are the odds?

[Elaine]

That's wild.

[Asher]

Crazy.

[Elaine]

That's a crazy story, that.

[Asher]

Isn't it scary? It's genuinely scary.

[Elaine]

Like, that one genuinely scared the out of me.

[Asher]

Me, too. It was freaking me out. And when I was doing it, the Norista was coming, the normal Maurice. So my wreaths were just bashing against the sides of my windows, and I was home alone, so it was freaking me out. And my cats were acting weird.

[Elaine]

I hate it.

[Asher]

But yeah. That is one of our haunted stories of October brothers.

[Elaine]

Damn. I mean, I thought, honey, it's the land. Honey, it's the land. It is.

[Asher]

But it's not even the land, though, because next door at her sister's house, everything is fine.

[Elaine]

That's land, too. It's got its own situation.

[Asher]

But I think everything's fine. It's just good land.

[Elaine]

Yeah, that's just good land.

[Asher]

Well, there are good lands and badlands. There are the badlands.

[Elaine]

The Badlands.

[Asher]

Damn.

[Elaine]

Yeah. I think it's just the house. I think it's a haunted house. Yeah, for sure. And I want them to have peace.

[Asher]

I want them to have peace. But I also kind of want to go to there.

[Elaine]

And Lisa and Andy, I think you're doing. You're doing what you can. And I appreciate that about you.

[Asher]

Hell, yeah. Well, guys, we'll have some more hauntings to come because it's October. So we hope you keep listening and we hope you. You keep it. We. But not so weird that. Honey, it's the land.

[Elaine]

Honey, it's the land.

[Asher]

Honey, the land.

[Elaine]

Oh, hey.

[Asher]

Love your shoes. If you're hearing this, this is your sign to try those on. Trust us, you can totally pull them off. In fact, try on every shoe here if you want. We won't stop you in our house, you've got unlimited freedom to play. And hey, fall is the perfect season to do wear. Be whatever you want. And with tons of shoes that get you at prices that get your budget, we'll give you something to brag about. So go ahead, try them on. Let us surprise you. Hey, listeners. I'm Ash.

[Elaine]

And I'm Alayna.

[Asher]

And we are so excited to have joined the SiriusXM family.

[Elaine]

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