What if the fastest path to a balanced budget isn’t a new amendment at all, but simply enforcing the one we already have? We sit down with constitutional lawyer Joe Wolverton to dismantle the popular case for a new constitutional convention and to map out a realistic, lawful way to rein in Washington’s spending. Joe traces his journey from a military family to constitutional scholarship and lays out a plain reading of the Constitution: enumerated powers are few, and everything else belongs to the states and the people. If federal actors stayed within those limits, the budget would contract dramatically—no new text required.

We go deep on the balanced budget amendment pitch and why it misunderstands incentives. If leaders ignore the document they swore to support, adding another line won’t cultivate virtue or restraint. Using a clear contract analogy, Joe explains the founders’ design: the states are the principals, the federal government is the agent, and acts beyond enumerated powers are void in principle and should be refused in practice. That refusal is not rebellion; it is the remedy in Federalist 46, where states decline to cooperate with unconstitutional programs, starving them of the local machinery they need to function.

You’ll hear sharp examples of federal overreach—sprawling agencies, expansive taxation, and costly global commitments—with a sober reminder that even well-intended amendments can backfire. The cautionary lessons of the 16th and 17th Amendments loom large, and the risk of a runaway convention is real once the door is opened. Instead of rolling the dice on a rewrite, we make the case for an attainable plan: educate state legislators on their oath, assert reserved powers, and reestablish constitutional boundaries. That’s how to make America states again—and how to restore fiscal sanity without gambling the founding charter.

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MTM - Interview with Joe Wolverton..Why a Balanced Budget Amendment Won't Work.