The Family Camp That Changed How We See Rest, Faith & Parenting

Summary

Podcast Summary: More Than Reality with Adam and Danielle

Episode 86: The Family Camp That Changed How We See Rest, Faith & Parenting
Release Date: June 11, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Adam and Danielle Busby share their family's transformative experience attending Pine Cove Family Camp in Chimney Point, South Carolina. They discuss the challenges and joys of unplugging from daily life, the impact of intentional family rhythms, and lessons learned about parenting, rest, faith, and community. The Busbys candidly reflect on their hopes, anxieties, and observations as parents, bringing listeners behind the scenes of life with their six daughters and exploring what it means to nurture a healthy, faith-filled family culture beyond the reality TV spotlight.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Why Family Camp?

• The Busbys attended Pine Cove Family Camp based on friends’ recommendations, seeking quality time, spiritual growth, and a break from routine.
• Adam: "If this is what we're gonna do once a year, this is worth every penny that we put to it." (00:21, 63:35)

2. Unplugging From Devices & Daily Distractions

• They reflect on the rarity—and necessity—of completely disconnecting from technology as a family.
• Comparison made between daily life, where screens are ever-present, and camp life, where families can genuinely connect.
• Adam: "You just gotta seek places where you can just like completely unplug and disconnect and like you have no choice." (13:19)
• Danielle: "It was a beautiful, like, reality of life. Just like that. Unplugging away from the screens and stuff." (12:19)

Benefits of Disconnection (18:10–23:10)

• More patience and intentionality among the kids.
• Boredom allows creativity and imagination to flourish.
• Laughter and sibling connection are emphasized.
• Notable Moment: Adam describes hearing his children play together without screens: "There's not much greater joy as a parent to hear that. Yeah. Like laughter when the kid." (21:13–22:05)

3. Experiencing Pine Cove Family Camp

• Organization: Upon arrival, families are greeted by enthusiastic college-age counselors who take over the practical responsibilities so parents can focus on presence.
• Adam: "They want to handle everything for you and serve you so that you can just spend intentional time with your family." (29:44–30:12)
• The presence of counselors during meals, devotionals, and activities underscores a spirit of service and care.
• Danielle: "There was no fakeness around the true serving that they all were there to give and provide. ... It’s almost like you stepped into, like, how God created life to be in the beginning." (34:02–34:23)

Meal Times & Serving Hearts (33:37–34:02)

• The moment when counselors refuse to let the parents clear their own tables, insisting, “We’ll do it,” deeply impacted the Busbys.
• Adam: "That made me emotional. Like, wow. Like, these college students are awesome." (33:52–33:57)

Camp Structure (35:59–36:47)

• Mornings include family devotionals, then kids and parents split into age-appropriate sessions. Parents have their own speaker-led sessions and discussions.
• Families reunite for free time and themed dinners.
• Parents are encouraged to drop expectations and enter a rhythm of presence and openness.

Intentional Rhythms & Family Time

• The importance of daily rhythms—family meals, shared devotionals, regular “slow down” moments.
• Adam: "What family camp is really good at was just like re-establishing family rhythms." (24:42)
• Danielle: "The rhythm of like during the school week where it’s like, something’s different every day. Like, what happened today? That was good." (26:09–27:24)

4. Personal Growth & Faith Lessons

Watching Kids Grow & Step Out (38:38–40:41)

• The Busbys candidly describe their kids, especially Blake (their teenager), stepping out of comfort zones, making new friends, and modeling faith for her younger sisters.
• Danielle: "I loved being present for that and being able to like, see that and watching like each of the girls... just like wanting to write notes... that was a growth step for her." (43:43–44:55)
• Blake, the eldest, inspires her sisters by bringing her Bible and taking notes during devotionals.

Parental Takeaways

• The impact of seeing intentional, unified parenting in other families.
• Danielle: "There are families out there that are doing this. Like, it was just, it just was such a, an answer... God’s like showing us... weeding out a lot and... gaining so much more beauty." (49:10–50:40)

On Leadership, Control, and Trust (53:48–59:00)

• Danielle shares a transformative insight about the difference between secular and spiritual leadership, and her journey toward relinquishing control and embracing trust and rest.
• Danielle: "Not being the leader is what [God] wants me to be. Doesn't mean I can't lead... I just have this release of, like, it's okay. Like, he told me, like, it's, like, been one of those pivotal moments..." (58:35–59:00)
• She applies the lesson of “letting herself be bored,” paralleling the kids' need for unstructured time with that of adults.

5. The Value of Investment: Time, Money, and Attention

• The Busbys acknowledge that the camp was a significant financial investment for a family of eight but reflect that the spiritual and relational returns were far greater.
• Adam: "You put it in things that, like, you value the most, and this is one of those things that you should value as a family." (63:35–63:38)

Recommendations to Listeners

• They whole-heartedly recommend family camp, particularly Pine Cove, as a means to establish or refresh family rhythms, deepen faith, and invest intentionally in children and marriage.
• Danielle: "If you're... considering it... get on the wait list if you're interested." (64:28)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Adam on Family Dynamics:
  "You just gotta seek places where you can just like completely unplug and disconnect and like you have no choice... Those are great moments." (13:19)

• Danielle on Camp’s Culture:
  "It’s almost like you stepped into, like, how God created life to be in the beginning. Just joyful, safe, secure, happy, blessings, family, community, friendship." (34:16)

• On Serving & Letting Go:
  "There was no need for us to even pick up our plate. They were like, we are here to do that for you." (31:24)

• Adam on Finding Community:
  "You got to find those people. You got to find your people." (53:36)

• Danielle’s Faith Realization:
  "I think part of my nature, like, I am a leader and can do that, but what's changed is the way that I was learning how to be a leader was not the way that God was teaching me... I want to be the follower of you." (53:48–58:35 approx.)

• On Doing It Again:
  "Will we do this again?... The girls were already like, when we come back next year... To see them and their enthusiasm in this and doing this and breaking away from distractions and just being intentional... we just saw how, like, how valuable that is." (61:07–61:52)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Unplugging from Devices and Family Dynamics: 12:14 – 23:10
• First Impressions of Camp & Serving Culture: 29:44 – 34:23
• Camp Daily Structure & Rhythm: 35:59 – 38:47
• Kids Gaining Independence & Faith Modeling: 38:38 – 46:08
• Parenting Roles, Community, and Takeaways: 49:09 – 53:43
• Danielle’s Leadership and Trust Breakthrough: 53:48 – 59:00
• On the Value of Family Camp and Recommendation: 63:12 – 65:09

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Final Takeaway

Adam and Danielle challenge listeners to prioritize intentional family time, cultivate rest, and explore new faith-building experiences like family camp. They encourage families to seek rhythms and communities that reinforce shared values, emphasizing that investment in family and faith pays dividends that cannot be matched by any material pursuit.

Danielle: "Just remember to find some rest and some family time together. So eat a meal together." (65:09)

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This episode offers practical encouragement, vulnerable reflections, and an authentic window into the Busbys’ evolving journey as parents, partners, and people of faith.

Transcript

[A]

Today we are going to finish our conversation from last week a little bit and actually talk about our adventure at Pineco Family Camp in Chimney Point, South Carolina.

[B]

That made me emotional. Like, wow. Like these college students are awesome.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And but just to see the joy and the enthusiasm on their face, it never.

[A]

It was the whole time. If this is what we're gonna do once a year, this is worth every penny that we put to it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So too. This is More Than Reality podcast where we dive into all things faith, family and marriage and share that there is so much more than the reality that you see on the surface. Welcome to More Than Reality with Adam and Danielle Busby.

[B]

Welcome guys. We're back in the the studio. This is episode 86 of more than Reality podcast.

[A]

Today we are going to finish our conversation from last week a little bit and actually talk about our adventure at Pineco Family Camp in Chimney Point, South Carolina. So last week we talked about like the travel aspect of like the first ever, like road trip in with another family and stuff. And so today we're gonna, yeah. Jump into like what we did at the camp. Highs and lows, like, like unplugging family time. All the things. But before we start that dads are impossible to shop for. They always say they don't want anything and honestly, most of the time they mean it.

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[A]

We all want to wish ADAM A happy 44th birthday. No. No. Okay. You're not doing a good job with the buttons. Happy birthday to Buzz Busby.

[B]

You know, I had like another. Oh, well.

[A]

Oh well. So today we're celebrating his birthday and he's working and we're filming.

[B]

So. Yeah.

[A]

Not very fun.

[B]

I've been in San Antonio for the last two days or so now. I'm not trying to catch up on everything we normally film like Monday or Tuesday. Didn't get to do that because I was on the road. So filming on my birthday, so fun. Yeah.

[A]

I do have like a random question for you to throw out there since you're 44 and you're like, you know, you're like your dad. You're becoming, growing into like this middle aged man. What is more fun to you?

[B]

I think 60s are the new 40 though.

[A]

Okay. But you're 44, so it's our middle. Sorry, it's. It's our ages that we're hitting. What seems more fitting for a 44 year year old man? Fly fishing or still keeping it adventurous with like white water rafting? Is fly fishing too old? Like you got to do like 50, 60 or what? Like how do you, where do you see your 44 year old self? If I were to categorize those two

[B]

things, I mean, I don't know, like I, I've never been fly fishing, so.

[A]

Have you white water act before?

[B]

Yeah, a couple times.

[A]

As an adult?

[B]

Yeah. What do you mean not as an adult?

[A]

When did you go whitewater rafting?

[B]

You haven't been white water rafting?

[A]

No.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Kind of scared of it. But did you do this with someone else in your previous midlife life?

[B]

I could have sworn you were there. Maybe you weren't, I guess. No, it must have been so. It was whenever we were do. Whenever I was a leader within senior high ministry and we did it like up kind of like on the border of like Georgia and Tennessee. I could have sworn you were there. Maybe it was like whenever I did

[A]

that year when I stayed home with Blake.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We were still in the youth through

[B]

that journey of like being ministry, like senior high ministry. I stayed with my group, but then whenever Danielle got pregnant with Blake, she kind of bowed out for a little bit, obviously. And so it must have been then.

[A]

It must have been then. Okay, I vaguely remember that. Okay, so you have done that. So that's weird.

[B]

I could have sworn you.

[A]

But now you're 44, do you still see yourself like being adventurous like that or you're like, I Agree. But do you feel like you're getting closer to an age where you're like, want the stillness of the adventure?

[B]

I mean, fly fishing, I could appreciate both, for sure. I'm still at that stage of life where I want adventure.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Want to go hiking, want to be in the mountains, want to be outdoors. I mean, fly fishing is a little bit of that, but it's just like calm and relaxing. I don't know, I just haven't gotten there yet with like.

[A]

I mean, it's not like we're big fishers. We like to. We like to go fishing and do those things, but we don't do it often. But yeah, I mean, I just thought they were too kind of like.

[B]

Like this extent of me fishing was like, back whenever I was scuba diving and stuff and doing like, spear fishing and offshore fishing and I mean, honestly,

[A]

that was adventurous fishing for sure.

[B]

I can't tell you other than like, that one little adventure where we hooked a seagull taking the girls, and I swear I'd never do that again with six kids.

[A]

And we did talk about that. Fishing for fish and caught a turtle and a seagull.

[B]

I haven't been like, fresh water fishing ever since I was like a kid, other than just taking my kids to, like, the lake in the neighborhood.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know. Once you. Once you get that itch of like, saltwater fishing, it's a lot different.

[A]

Well, you're saltwater fishing out of spear fishing and free diving and like, all those things was very. That's not a lot of. Everyone's like, normal saltwater fishing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're like, honey, what was the thing

[B]

like, taking fishing to the extreme, like,

[A]

hunted with like, you're fishing, but hunting with your. Oh, speargun. Yeah. Oh, the day.

[B]

I mean, I would. I would enjoy, like, going up into the mountains and like, fishing on those streams for, like, trout and salmon or whatever.

[A]

But like, fly fishing.

[B]

Yeah, especially. What's this? That show I just recently watched, the Marsh. Starts with a H. That one.

[A]

Then I said all they did was cry the whole time.

[B]

What's the name of that?

[A]

Michelle Pfeiffer? The one we watch?

[B]

Yeah, the.

[A]

Oh, gosh, it said the Madison. Madison.

[B]

No, it wasn't an age. It wasn't an H. The Madison.

[A]

It's such a good show. But I told Adam it's beautiful. I told Adam I was like, one. I don't like watching shows like that because it's just sad the whole time. Like, yeah, it's got a beautiful storyline and I love It. It's a.

[B]

It's a really good show.

[A]

But I was like. I got to, like. I don't like these shows that just, like, you want to cry at.

[B]

Yeah, it was a very, like, emotional show. Emotional. Emotionally. Emotionally driven show. Wasn't a heck of a lot of action. It was just more storytelling and. But it was a great show. It was like, one of those shows by, like, Taylor Sheridan that did, like, Yellowstone and, like, all the marsh. U.S. marshals and all that kind of stuff. So. So I'm like, I'll give it a. Give it a shot. I ended up having to watch it all the way through. I don't know if there's gonna be a second season. Maybe. I don't know. We'll see. But it was a good show. But a lot of that, like, it's, you know, takes place like this dad that they live in New York City, and he buys this big piece of land in Montana and always escapes there any chance he can get, and he just goes fly fishing. And so a big part of the movie, like, takes place on this, like, freshwater stream in Montana. Fly fishing and stuff like that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That looks awesome.

[A]

Yeah. But I feel like we can't realistically do that around here.

[B]

Right? I mean, if we live further. Yeah. I would have to go buy a bunch of gear and, like, lug it with me and just to try something for the first time, and I don't know.

[A]

Yeah. So that was just a fun question. As you're aging.

[B]

If I live further north, I probably would do that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I'd also. If I live further north, I'd probably just be in the mountains all the time. Hiking and doing adventure stuff, too, though.

[A]

Yeah. But I don't know. A lot of our kids like to fish, and I think that that's, like, a fun. It's like a different way of fishing. But I just see it as, like. I know a lot of, like, older men. I don't know a lot of older men, but, like, I know older men who talk about, like, fly fishing and, like, how that's, like, their thing. So I don't know. Just didn't know if, like, since you're getting.

[B]

I could say, like, being very therapeutic. Yeah, for sure. Just, like, maybe, like, retired, beautiful. Gets out of the house, peaceful, quiet.

[A]

Golf and fly fish. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I could see myself doing it, but, yeah, I feel like I'm at that stage of life where I'm still, like, seeking adventure.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I would rather that.

[A]

So year 44, still seeking adventure.

[B]

Got. Got it yeah, I'm a thorough seeker.

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[A]

Let's talk about unplugging. How to. When was the last time we like, unplugged? Unplugged from like the distractions, the cell phones, the socials, all the things. Because family camp allowed us to do this. And it was a beautiful, like, reality of life. Just like that. Unplugging away from the screens and stuff. And so when was like the last time we did that?

[B]

I couldn't tell you.

[A]

I know. Especially like in a whole, and as a whole, like whole family, you know, like sometimes like when we go, like me and you'll go on a trip, we, we, we can like whenever we

[B]

go out to the ranch, it's very little, so, but it's almost like contact with the outside world. There's like virtually no cell phone reception out there.

[A]

That's the bon there. And gotta go find the, the holes in the service.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, you just gotta seek places where you can just like completely unplug and disconnect and like you have no choice. Yeah, yeah. Because I mean, and those are great moments. Like whenever we'd go out to the ranch and it's just the girls from sun up to sundown, just want to be outside exploring, shooting BB guns, looking for antler sheds and yeah. Digging and throwing rocks and.

[A]

Which brings up the. Which brings up a great question. It's like what do we notice within the family dynamics when we're not around the screens versus being in the normal day to day with our. A lot of our life is around media stuff and so it's definitely something where you have to like balance like you know, sometimes it's A lot of it is like work aspects and keeping up with things and posting things and whatnot. But there's also a lot, a lot of like, we're just bored, let's scroll and watch funny videos to whatever and deep diving into something. But then there's the other side of it. It's like what is the difference that you see like in the family whenever we're not in that zone where we like are away.

[B]

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Text more to 64,000 message and data rates may apply. More patience more like just intentionality like instead of like. I mean there's something good about letting your kids just be bored. They just will find something to do. It's good for your kids to be bored.

[A]

Yeah, I agree with that.

[B]

You know I would like to focus more on that like in certain like times of the day and stuff at home. Like okay, no devices like figure it out. Like I don't care if you're just staring at the wall because staring at the wall is going to start making your head turn and you think of something to do. Whether it's just going outside and jumping on the trampoline or playing on the little tumble mat that we have or going to the park or whatever they're gonna. It just gives them room for their imagination to flourish. And. And I think you. Our kids are just happier as a whole whenever they can disconnect and just like, get out there.

[A]

And our kids don't have, like. I mean, Blake does, but like, the quints don't have, like, social media and like, they're not allowed to do all that. But just even when you say screens, like watching TV or watching movies or playing any games on, like, the electronic devices and stuff. So, you know, when you say. When you say patience, how does that give me, Give me your thoughts around that? Like you said it. We see more patients within the family.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, I just feel like whenever they're on devices, there's like. Because typically, like, whenever they're on devices, they're like playing Roblox. Like, I mean, we have. We have like, roadblocks. Very restrictive for them. So, like, it's only accessible and they can only communicate with like, close friends of theirs that we've like, added onto their account and stuff like that. But. But still there's like, this level of like, competition or, you know, whenever they're on there playing games, they just. They don't have a lot of patience for each other because they're like, either competing or. I. I don't know. Like, I don't. I don't watch Roblox enough. But like, you know, they play some games where they're having to like, collect these certain things and somebody may steal something from them or blah, blah, blah. And they just don't have patience for each other. But whenever they're outside just like exploring, they're. They're just like, a lot more pleasant to each other and relying on each other to kind of further the imagination of what's happening.

[A]

Yeah. And entertainment of outside of electronics.

[B]

They're very encouraging of each other. And just a lot of the things that they do, like whenever they're just outside and. Or just like playing with like, random toys around the house or whatever, like

[A]

I was making up something.

[B]

I mean, I was sitting at my desk just now and like, I. I mean, right before we started recording and I could hear, I think it was Olivia and Hazel box. What were they doing?

[A]

They went and got a box from the garage.

[B]

They're just playing with a box.

[A]

Well, I know yesterday they were playing like, drive through and like, restaurant and stuff. So I was like, you can have it.

[B]

But just to hear them oh, no, she's making. You know, they're not on a device. They're not just like glued to a screen. They're actually just like enjoying each other's company and just like running up and down the halls and just laughing and stuff like that. Like, that brings me joy just to hear that. And whenever your child, your children are just intentionally playing with each other and just enjoying each other's company, I mean, there's not much greater joy as a parent to hear that. Yeah. Like laughter when the kid.

[A]

The laughter. Yes. There's. There's often a lot of other noise that you hear, but when you, when they're rowdy and playing and laughing and running. All right, like, that's the best, that's the best part of the family. Like just knowing that they're all engaging and playing with each other and you know, as your kids get older, they kind of like start to phase out of like this imaginative play. And we still like, especially with the quints. I mean, Blake's 15, so she's like, it's just very different as a full on teenager drive around and. But her, but she's still creative and like draw. Yeah, she's creative and it finds things to do.

[B]

Yeah. It's funny, whenever we'll get home, I mean, not two minutes after we get home, I'll be like in my office or in. And I can hear Blake upstairs like playing her piano or her room will just be super quiet and like I'll walk in there and she just has like a sketch pad out and she's just drawing and creating and stuff. And instead of just being glued to a phone.

[A]

Yeah. So it's good to get that breakaway and that slow down. So like, you know, I wouldn't say like we're like the best at that because the best at allowing that on the daily. Which in our world, I think it's so important and we are so aware of like screen, screen time. But sometimes, you know, in the busyness of things, it's like we allow. We may allow it more than we want to at times, you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think a lot of parents ease into that. But like, we honestly hate it. But our kids are so different. Whenever you just say, okay, no electronics this week. And it's, it's like if you just give them that heads up, they're not complaining or not like wanting to adventure into it or not like asking for it. It's just like, no, we're done with that this week. None of that go outside, you know, having the Mindset of like, how do you, how do you go to a family camp, log out for a whole like seven days and then how do you like really bring that back home and keep that like flourishing through. You know. It's good.

[B]

Yeah. I mean the cool thing about it's

[A]

good to have the reset. But then how do you apply those resets.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Into the, the active when you're working, when you're at home, when you're got a grocery shop, when you got it. Because a lot of those day to day tasks are not needed when you're at camp. So how do you bring it back in?

[B]

Yeah, I mean what, what, what family camp is really good at was just like re. Establishing family rhythms.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. And.

[B]

And reintroducing a daily rhythm because you know, some habits can, you can like spark a habit in as little as like seven days. Sometimes it takes up to like 21 days or something like that. But, but just to get you on that track of wanting to start this, this rhythm like from this time to this time. You know, it's no devices and it's just like using your imagination. Go outside, spend time with your, your family, friends, whatever. And you know, this time it's like intentional family time. And you know, not every day that we can do this, but we try to make like dinner time and stuff. Sacred time where like no friends are over. You know, if kids are playing, like they have to go home and it's just like time that we sit down as a family.

[A]

Yeah. That's always my favorite.

[B]

Just to leave space for just intentional conversation and you know, questions or things that happened that day or whatever. You know, it's good to leave time and set aside time for that just for your kids and your own family well being.

[A]

Yeah, just, just that rhythm of like just meal time together is to me is a slowdown phase. Is a, is a moment that is needed for a family to slow down. And it's. Whether it's everyone's out working or traveling or you're out playing around with the neighborhood kids or at the park or whatever and you haven't really been. You just been in and out as the, the kids running in and out with friends or whatever, it's like all that's normal and it's good. But it's like we still find it important to slow down and have that meal together and come around the table and you know, talk about your highs of the day. Favorite day, which is very rhythmatic word. The rhythm of like during the school week where it's like, something's different every day. Like, what happened today? That was good. So, like, now it's like, it's summer, and it's sometimes kids are here, kids are there, and. But finding that time where it's like meal time together, it slows down. And so keeping that as a priority and important time, maybe it's lunch for you, maybe it's just breakfast, but I would recommend, like, that finding that at least that one meal a day, that is at least, hey, heck, if you can do all three of them, do it. But where you slow down as a family.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So anyways, let's talk about camp.

[B]

So, yeah, we honestly going into camp, we had some friends that just were over the moon about this particular camp, this Pine Cove camp in South Carolina. There's other ones in Texas and. And whatnot. But they had been going to this one in South Carolina. And, you know, they've been telling us about this for the last couple years, probably, and just how much fun the kids are, their family has, and how much the fun, how much the kids just absolutely love this camp. Every time they come back, it's just like story after story. And so we're like, man, like, that sounds like something we would love to do. Yeah. If we can make it work. And finally, like, the stars just all aligned and for both of us, for us and the spells to, like, join them at this camp. And so you heard about last week, we rented this sprinter van, made our trek across the country, and it was crazy. I mean, from the very first day we drove in, they, like, set the tone. I didn't really know what to expect. I mean, I've been to other summer camps and stuff, especially being in, like, senior high ministry with churches and stuff. I've been to a lot of camps, been to camps, summer camps and stuff, whenever I was younger, but never experienced a family camp. And so I didn't really know what to expect. I was like, man, is this going to be kind of cheesy? Like, what is this going to be about? But it was hard not to just have this, like, crazy grin on your face, even pulling up to see all these college students that are just jumping up and down and cheering all the way down as you pull into the camp. I mean, there's just like, this row of college students that are there as counselors that are just welcoming all the vehicles and of all the families driving in to register and get checked in for camp. And, you know, they're just, like, cheering you on, like, telling you, doing these chants and stuff. And just hyping you up and, and it was just crazy. It just, it set the tone. You know, they want to make as much space for parents just to be, you know, to drop all of like, the expectations and responsibilities and stuff at the door. And they want to handle everything for you and serve you so that you can just spend intentional time with your family. Like, even from the second we drove in there and they just wanted to

[A]

grab my, like, hold my bag, purse,

[B]

they want you to jump out the car. They want to jump in the driver's seat. They're like, we know exactly where your cabin is. We're gonna, we're gonna drive your car to your cabin. Y' all get checked in, sign up for events and stuff that y' all want to do throughout the week. And we'll unload everything out of your car and put it inside of your cabin and go park it for you. Like, we'll take care of all that. And we're like, wow, this is, this is kind of crazy. Yeah, like, I was very much, it

[A]

was very much that. I think that was such a, like an important part of the camp for me. Like, what I really realized is, like, what they're wanting to do there is like, really, really serve you as a family. Take away a lot of like those day to day tasks that you have to do as mom and dad so that you can just really, like, enjoy the messy table with your kids instead of when something spilled or like, you know, the dishes after every meal. I think for us it's like, you know, dishwasher after dishwasher.

[B]

That's like a, that's like a stress point in your house.

[A]

Yeah. And it's a daily thing. And so like every meal, there was no need for us to even pick up our plate. They were like, we are here to do that for you.

[B]

Yeah, that was, that was the very

[A]

first expecting that at all.

[B]

That was the very first thing that literally got me emotional. You know, you go into the very first. You get checked into your room and stuff. And at a certain time you enter the, the dinner hall and you know, your family sits together as a family. And you, you have a counselor that is assigned to your family for the entire week. She, she sits down with every, at every dinner, lunch, breakfast with you. We have set aside times for like family devotionals and she sits in with those and helps facilitate it, helps with the kids, whatever we need her to do. And she's there for that as well. Partly it's because they're high, they're college Students, and, you know, not all of them came from very great family backgrounds as well. And, you know, part of that is just the families there are able to minister to the college students. And so that's, like, a. A very unique and cool aspect of it as well, for them to learn from other families and how they do things and what the dynamic is like between families. But that very first dinner, and we're sitting around the table, and the count. The. The camp director comes up, and he's just kind of laying all the ground rules and expectations of camp this week and talking about, like, what's going on later tonight. And. And then he mentioned something about, okay, you know, families, y' all just go ahead and start gathering up, you know, your food, and you can bring it back there. And all in unison, all the counselors jump up out of their seats and start screaming like, no, no, no, no. And he's like, what. What are you talking about? They're like, we'll do it. And they're so enthusiastic. Had so much joy in their. In their faces about wanting to serve and wanting to serve the family. No, we'll pick up the. We'll pick up the table. We'll. And you guys can just go and have fun as a family.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And like.

[A]

Like something so small, like, just. That was like.

[B]

Yeah, that. That made me emotional. Like, wow. Like, these college students are awesome.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And. But just to see the joy and the enthusiasm on their face, it never.

[A]

It was the whole time, like, the energy and the spirit. Spirit there was just, like. Just filled with, like, happiness and joy. And there was nothing that was, like, fake.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There was no fakeness around the. The true serving that they all were there to give and provide. And so it was just. Just like a. It's almost like you stepped into a. A different world because, like, everyone there was just, like, humbling, peaceful, joyful, like, engaging, but, like a safe zone. Protective. Like, you just felt like. Like, it's almost like you stepped into, like, how God created life to be in the beginning. Just joyful, safe, secure, happy, blessings, family, community, friendship. Like, it. Like, that's, like, what life should be every day. It should be like that. You know, it was really. It was really fun to see and really exciting to see. Like, Blake's gone to, like, church overnight camps before, but the quints have never been to any type of. Like, they've done, like, camp Invention, which is just, like, day camps, but nothing overnight. Nothing. They've never been to, like, a church camp. They've done, like, VBS Before. Which is like a day camp for. For like, half a day camp. And so this was, like, a full experience of us even as a family, being able to. Because, you know, like, when Blake would go, like, church camp, we're not there to experience and see, like, what's happening on the daily. We come home and we hear things that she'll share. But we love the fact that, like, we were there with the kids, though. They would be, like, with their counselors from, like, 10 to 3. Like, every day was, like, 8:30 family breakfast. Then you have, like, your allotted time, 10 to 3, where, like, adults were in their session.

[B]

No, you go to breakfast and then you leave breakfast.

[A]

Family devotional.

[B]

It's family devotional time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then you leave. And kids. Kids break away from parents and go

[A]

to their own 10 to 3. They would go to their age group and do all their. They would have a Bible study, but they also was all fun things and games and out on the lake or, like, whatever. And then the parents would go to, like, their session. And so we had an amazing speaker that, like, would encourage and speak life into us and encourage us and. And have, like, real questions for you to, like, discuss and whatnot. And then you had free time, and you could do whatever you wanted. And then you had family free time before dinner. And so then you would gather up with your kids and have all these fun family activities that you could do with your kids or you could swim or whatever you want to do. And then you had dinner together. And some of them were theme nights. Some of the nights the kids would go off with their camp. Camp, you know, counselors in their group session, their cabins, they called it. And they had evening activities to do and play in the mud and, like, all these things where they did, like, a date night and steak nights and stuff for the family, like, the parents. So they did an exceptionally well job of, like, separating family time to adult time, to marriage time, to, like, activities, to engagement. The food was great. You know, it was just. It was just done really well. Really well. So my expectations are always high. So I was like, what's this going to be like? But what we really. In the first full day, we really were like, we kind of have fomo. Like, we're missing out on, like, what our kids are doing. But we're here, we're having good time, but we're not experiencing certain things with the kids. But then we realize, oh, well, we have family free time. Like, it's like they're getting fed in a way that's good. For them, but also they come back, and we still get to do fun things with them. So just. It was just done really well. Really well. And so we already signed up for next year.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, yeah, that was one thing. And it wasn't even. It's not really a negative thing. It was just the fact that, you know, you would see your kids later that afternoon for, like, family free time, and they're talking about all the fun stuff that they did whenever they were off in there and all their age groups, and you can't help but have, like, a little bit of FOMO about

[A]

it, like, because we've always been the ones that, like, oh, let's go on the lake, and let's play with these inflatables.

[B]

They're always with us, and you always got to experience it in real time with them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But now you're just hearing the stories.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I wish I could have seen that. I wish I could have watched you do that.

[A]

And so when you go to family free time, you get those hours to do those things with your kids.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so it was just really. It was really good to see the quint grow into this little bit of. A little bit more of a responsibility of how they're utilizing their time and being like, you know, waking up and like, it wasn't like we would wake up be like, okay, you got to do this. You got to do this. It was like they got their clothes on. They're like, peace out. I'm out. I'm already playing gaga ball with the people I met yesterday before breakfast, or we're gonna go play putt putt before breakfast. And so there was just like this whole safe zone of just, like, freedom. And it's just. It's hard to. It's hard to get that, like, on the daily and like the. On your day to day life. So, like, absorbing that in. In that whole week was just so valuable and just like, letting your kids, like, mature a little bit, understanding, like, what time meant and how to utilize that time. It just was beautiful to see all their, like, perspectives on, like, Blake being a little bit nervous because she doesn't have a quint sister her age to, like, go meet new people she's never met before.

[B]

Yeah. And that was. That was like, probably our biggest concern at the beginning of the week is

[A]

just because really have a pack. So whatever age they're going to be wrapped up in, they're going to be together, you know, and so.

[B]

But really, honestly, you're at the mercy of whatever what other Families are there

[A]

the week that you're there that have the same age.

[B]

The age range of their kids are so. And we didn't know most of these families. Most of the families are, you know, have younger kids, but also, like, we're never worried about the quints because they always have each other, you know. And so even if there was just a handful of kids there, they still have.

[A]

They could have been two of them that were their age and they're fine.

[B]

You don't have to worry about them. But then you have Blake. And I'm like, man, I just don't know how many older kids are here yet because. Because we didn't really see all the, all the people that were there just yet. And so, you know, you do have a little bit of concern of like, okay, is she going to connect with somebody or is there going to be a lot of people there her age? And I mean, those, those concerns kind of went out the window after, like the first day.

[A]

So just tell her, like, we just need that first. Like, once we get to the first gathering, you'll get to see, like, who's. How many people are around you, your age, in your group. Because at the first point, the dinner, it was just like you just see family and kids and people everywhere. You're like, oh my gosh. But there actually ended up being quite a few, like a good solid group aged of her range kids. She's 15, so, you know, I would say 14 to 17, that age range that she was fitting into. And so her little cabin group, There was like eight of them, but there was probably 25, 30, 25, 20, probably 20 kids within that, you know, 13 to 17 range. And so I thought was amazing. So she really just was like, this was great. It just took that one, that uncomfortableness, which is so hard because I was a lot like that too. And I always feel for Blake a lot more because I was not the multiple in my house. And so since my sisters are twins and so I was always like that other one. And so I'm like, I know it's so hard. Just be brave, be strong. It's uncomfortable at the beginning, but all it took was that one step and then it's just finding that group. And you know, the college age leaders are so good for these teenagers because they're showing them to me. Like, what I took away was seeing these college age kids, especially as Blake is 15, she's got three more years before she's in college. And I'm just like, people can continue their faith outside of being under their parents wing, you know, and seeing these college age kids. And to me, what I loved most was like seeing these college boys who are 20 to 24 years old, some of them are graduated college and getting their masters or whatnot, and they're here back at this their whole summer. And I was just like, as a parent and raising girls who will hopefully fall in love and you know, with a Christ follower and like letting them see, like, look at all these cute boys. These, these boys love Jesus and they're serving and they're like playing with these younger kids. And like, that was just something that spoke to me. Like when I met Adam, like fall in love with someone who was just like, like you knew Jesus, you were just a big kid. You played with all these other kids too. Like, I knew you'd be a great dad. And it's like, like that's what I saw there amongst all those like, college days boys. I'm like, y' all are gonna be such amazing dads because you can do this. You can go be a kid yourself, but and be responsible and help bring these kids up. This week with these families, it's just, was so beautiful to see that. And just like first time for us, like bringing our kids into that kind of environment to show them like, like you can, once you become 18 and older and you are choosing your own decisions. Like, like there's kids and college age kids out there that age. And we were surrounded by that that week of like, they love Jesus and you can find that too, you know. So I just, I loved, I loved being present for that and being able to like, see that and watching like each of the girls kind of like Parker, like really like during like the family devotional or like their Bible studies times within their groups, like, she was like, mom, where's my notebook? I want to be able to write notes today. And so like, to me that was like, that was a growth step for her, like, just like wanting to write notes. Because going through elementary school, you're not taking note. You're not really taking notes, but like knowing you're stepping into middle school taking notes, like in class or watching things. Yeah, well, homeschool, but that'll be a little bit different. But like even going to a youth group and like Bible studies, like, you have to like, learn how to like, take notes and stuff. And so like that made me smile something so small, you know.

[B]

And that's also something that like, I see in Blake. That they see.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they see.

[A]

I love that during family devotional time.

[B]

Yeah. Blake comes to family devotional and she brings her bible and she brings her notebook and all that, those things. And she's modeling this behavior to the quints and they see that and they're now they're wanting, now they're wanting to mimic that and they want a notebook like Blake and they want to be able to take, take notes on, on what we're talking about and their thoughts and stuff and, and to see that and to see how, you know, these Little Girls, now 11 year old girls are looking up to their older sister and, and seeing, you know, how much she cares about her faith and stuff. And watch Blake flip it through her Bible and what. And see, you know, just how meticulous Blake is with taking notes and highlights and stuff in her Bible.

[A]

I want to be the one who finds the verse today. Tell me, tell me which verse we're gonna look for. And so like, like it was just, so just, it just made my heart smile just saying like this, this, this, I want this every day. Like, I want this closeness, this bonding, this like response. Now we also had quintuplets who were constantly like rocking in their chair and like playing with the fidget and you know, still being active, but it's like

[B]

asking random questions that have nothing to do with what we're talking about.

[A]

Can we go play now? Reality too. But just the small little thing, like it's. Which is beautiful.

[B]

They're like little wins for sure, you know. Yes. They're at the end of the day, they're still 11 year old little girls with short attention spans and stuff. And so you can't really, you know, get too deep into the weeds and like a family devotional, but you know, on the high level stuff just because their minds just are just constantly, okay, what's next? But you know, it's just being intentional about slowing down and just spending time with the family and asking questions and talking about things that matter. It goes a long way.

[A]

Yeah. Do you feel like God spoke to you personally throughout the week there in, in any way? Like. Did anything. Did you have any aha moments?

[B]

I mean, not necessarily. I mean a little more so like things that I want to be, you know, I want to focus on whenever we get back home and you know, things that I want to think about, things that I want to, I want to continue rhythms, I want to continue to do things that, you know, we did as a family there. Like even to the point where like I went online and ordered a potential book, I need to like, look through it. Of just something that we can sit down as a family and to like, go through for like to continue on a family devotional at home, to add into a weekly rhythm with us and. But just stuff like that, like to, I mean, you, you learn things, you see things at camp that you want to continue on.

[A]

Yeah. And I loved seeing there was, there was so much. I say this because I see a difference in the world we live in versus families that we met there, where you see parents just working together for their children. Like, there's not this, there's this role like your mom, your dad, but it's like we're your parents. And so there was just this engagement across all the families where there wasn't like this division of your role versus my role. It was just like we're. We're the family.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And like we family together. And I loved, I loved seeing that because a lot of the world that we live in, in some of the surroundings around us, with like family dynamics of other friends that we have, it's something that we, we feel like we're outside of that. Like we're trying to make our. What we want for our family normal for our kids versus this is dad and this is Mom. It's like we want to be together. Yes. We have specific biblical roles that God's called us. To be a husband, to be a wife, to be the father, to be the mother. But to come together as a family and do these things in alignment, in. I feel like I saw a lot of that at camp where it was just like families being families. And it wasn't like mom has to do it all or dad has to do it all. It was just like togetherness. And so like, I just, I, I want that. That's what I want more. And I loved being able to like witness that across other people. And what I took back was like, they're what I've been saying and praying for for years. Like even the journey of like moving and leaving our or hometown, of growing up for 20 years and then moving away from my sisters and like even 30 minutes away, it's like what we want more is family like minded family ness where families are doing family time together and raising children the way that we want to raise our own. And being at that camp was like, there are families out there that are doing this. Like, it was just, it just was such a, an answer. Like one of those things where God's like showing us like constantly, like we've had a hard couple years and like transitioning and weeding Out a lot and, and, and losing a lot, but gaining so much more beauty in the things that he's showing us in that family camp. Showed us that like there are families out there that are, you're not, you're not abnormal for wanting to raise your family like this. There are families out there that are doing this. And so I was so good for our kids to see. It was so like, for them to respond with like, man, I loved like how they talk to each other. I love how they like were engaging with their sisters or just different. And I'm like, it doesn't need to be different. Like, this can be our normal. And that was, that was my takeaway. Like, I loved witnessing that with our children and showing our kids that like. No, what we've been telling you over years is that you feel like you're different. We're wanting to surround y' all with more like mindedness versus making us feel like the outcasts.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because we're already set apart being an outcast because of our media life or famous, you know, World Breaking Name and Quinn First Quintuplets. Like, we already have like these standard titles placed around us. But that doesn't mean that is who we are. Right. It's just a part of us. And so that was. I just love that God aligned this for us and we were able to like have this for our family.

[B]

Yeah. I mean it just, at the end of the day it's just thinking about, okay, what do you, what do you really want to value? What do you want to put value on as a family and really focus on that, but also like find those people around you, find those other families around you that value that as well. Because I mean, you know, the people that are around you are the ones that are going to influence you into things. Are you, are you surrounding yourself with just like materialistic people that constantly are just trying to one up each other and like. Or are you surrounding yourselves with people that have the values that you want in your own family and are devoted to each other and wanting to, you know, leave room for, you know, what matters most in family and those relationships and stuff and spending intentional time with each other rather than just being like this a add just like all over the place and just let's go do this and let's go do this and like not leaving the time and intentionality and leaving that space, space there to, to really connect with family.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so, you know, it's just, that's like one of the big things. It's just you, you got to find those people. You got to find your people.

[A]

And it's not always easy. And I know that's the biggest response that we get from.

[B]

And that's hard.

[A]

How do I find that? Where do we get that? And, you know, I mean, it's hard. But I would say starting with like, like gospel centered families, like people who want to love Jesus. And like, you know, we've gone in and out with different families involved with church and stuff, but it doesn't mean it's a bad place. But some families we've connected well with and some not. And so. And that's okay. And that's okay. You know, I think something that really spoke to me too, it was like the first, first, like full day, I guess it was like Monday, the full day and like the parent session and William was kind of talking and it just like broke this, like, cycle that I always have heard in my head. I've always been told by my mom, like, you always have to be a leader. You need to be a leader. You need to be a leader. Don't ever. You don't want to be a follower. You don't want to follow these behaviors or those behaviors or this. You want to set the tone and you want people to follow you. And so, like, I think that's always been molded in me. And I think part of my nature, like, I am a leader and can do that, but what's changed is the way that I was learning how to be a leader was not the way that God was teaching me to be a leader. And so as I look back on like these last couple years, honestly, probably our whole marriage, the leader in me and which was causing me to be the controller in me, causing me to, you know, can't trust because I have to do and I have to control and I have to like, be the leader. And all these years that I've known, you know, follow, like becoming a follower of Christ and follow, follow him. There's certain things that I know I can read and I've said and I've repeated enough, like, shared. I've encouraged others. Whatever happened that day, the Holy Spirit turned something in me. And I was like, huh? It was, it just told me I'm not a. I'm. I don't need to be that leader. And I think it's taken me a lot of hardship to get to this point over the last couple years of like, like allowing myself to step out of the working work field and, and be bored and like, allow Adam to be the leader. Which we've had conversations about. Not that you've not been the leader, but I've had a hard time allowing you to be the leader, because I'm the leader, you know, but once again, being raised and grown and being told, like, you have to be on top, to then breaking all these walls down, to then saying, like, lord, like, I don't want to be the leader. Like, I want to be the follower of you. And I want. I want to follow in your steps. I want to follow your path. I want to follow my husband. I want to follow these things that, like, how many times I've read and I've heard that day, the Holy Spirit said, click. And I was like, wow, it felt so good to just, like, relieve. Release that. Release that. It's okay. Like, it's okay. Like, you don't have to. And in. I don't know if we've talked about a lot of this in the. In our. Like, the beginning of the podcast and stuff, but a lot of us is this fight of. Of you versus me. I. Versus, like, us. And because I'm a controller, I struggle with control. I struggle with trust. I struggle with needing to be on the leader. But these past, like, couple years, like, God's really been, like, weeding these. These things out and allowing me to learn how to trust under the leadership of Adam, which is still not, like, easy. But that first day, I was just, like. Just, like, escaped. It was like a release of, like, God doesn't want me to be that person. He wants me to be this person. And I'm now having to figure out more. So with a clearer mind and a clearer heart. I think that being. Not being the leader is what he wants me to be. Doesn't mean I can't lead, and I can't lead certain things.

[B]

It doesn't mean you should, like, devalue yourself.

[A]

Yeah, like, exactly.

[B]

As a mom and a wife.

[A]

Yes. I just have this completely. I had, like, this release of, like, it's okay. Like, he told me, like, it's, like, been one of those, like, pivotal moments in, like, my life story. Like, it's okay. Like, I got you. And this is what I need you to do. I need you to just follow. And it just felt so freeing. It felt so, like, arms opened and just like. Like the father, like. Like, you can, like, allow your trust in Adam to grow. Allow your trust in me to grow. Allow your. Just. Just stop. And I tell Adam this. I'm like, there's times where it's just, like, as hard as it is to be slow and bored and blah, blah, blah. Or he might make jokes and be like, what else are you trying to start? Here you are in estate sales. Like, they're healing for me in a moment because I'm like, I can do this. Like, can I do this? Can I go today? In estate sale, yes, you can. Even if you don't buy anything. Like, just that mindset of getting out of that work mode since you've been 11 and allowing yourself to say yes. Okay. Rest, be bored. Just like you talk about with your kids. It's like, it's okay too, for us as parents. Like, finding that time to be bored. Finding that time to, like, allow God to speak to you and like, you know, Jesus, like, we too, family wise and personal life. What is that? Oh, the shower. Like In Mark Mark 6:30, when he says, let's go off by ourselves to a quiet place and rest a while. Like, we too need to be bored. We need to be bored. We need to have quiet time. We need to find that reset for your family, but also for yourself. And you got to cut it all off. You got to cut the distractions off. You got to cut the, the electronics off. This, the. The. That time off to like, really, really hear, really feel and really see what is it that you need to be doing and are finding.

[B]

You know, it's good. All right. So, I mean, yeah, I think you mentioned it earlier, like, will we do this again? And it was just funny. Like, midway through the week.

[A]

No, sorry. Like, Thursday, it was Tuesday, day two.

[B]

The girls were already like, when we come back next year, I'm like, oh, okay. We haven't talked about this as a family, if you're actually enjoying this or not.

[A]

They had already assumed for us that

[B]

they had already, like, oh, we're, we're coming back. We love this, and this is so much fun. And. But to see them and their enthusiasm in this and doing this and, and breaking away from distractions and just being intentional and going out and exploring and, and doing things with, like, other kids. And rather than just sitting at home or just going here to. Going there, you know, we just saw how, like, how valuable that is.

[A]

And, And God was moving. God. God was moving there within children's lives. People were getting back baptized by the end of the week. He was moving with stories of a lot of the parents sharing that, you know, when we were all just like, in our parent session, like, people sharing stories of, like, what God had done just in the day or the week that they were there. And you Know, me just sharing that little glimpse of, like, the Holy Spirit just, like, releasing something out of me that I didn't really. I thought. I thought I was being a follower of Christ. But, like, now I. I just have a different view, have a different. A different love in a. In an openness. And so, like, I love that. I love that God was moving and he always is, but just being really present to that quality time is just so. It's just. It's so heartwarming, and it's just so valuable. And you just really see, like, how God created life to be.

[B]

Yeah. And so. Yeah. So family camp. I mean, it really made a huge impact on this. Impact on our. On our family and personally on us over the course of that week. And it was just very enlightening, and it was something that we've never done as a family. A little reluctant at first, and.

[A]

And. And to be honest, was quite expensive, especially as a family of eight. So that was honestly something we were like, I don't know, that's a lot of money to go do. But we decided after some praying and, like, got to it, it was like, you know, what if this is. If this is what we're going to do once a year, this is worth every penny that we put to it.

[B]

Yeah. So for sure, it's worth every penny.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And, you know, so just, like, where do you put your money? I mean, you put it in things that, like, you value the most, and this is one of those things that you should value as a family. And so something we're going to prioritize, you know, in. In our summers and just want more of that, and would be a really good reset, especially for, like, going into summer, breaking free of, you know, all the stuff, schedules and stuff of school and stuff after they get out of school. And so, yeah, I mean, we absolutely loved it. If you're, you know, you're a family out there that have been considering it, have seen some stuff in your area or

[A]

youth camps for kids.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, I would seriously recommend, like, looking into it and get on the

[A]

wait list if you're interested.

[B]

Yeah, for sure. I mean, the one that we go to, there's, like, a heck of a wait list for. So I'm not sure if the wait list is quite as long, like, for the Texas camps or not, but I'd have to look into that. But we absolutely loved it. And so Pine Cove definitely does it. Right. I'm sure there probably are a few others out there that are great, but that's the one that we have the experience with. And so we absolutely loved it. We love the people, love the students, and just, like, love the values that they put into the intentionality of the week. So, yeah, I mean, that kind of does it for episode 86, more than reality podcast.

[A]

Thank you guys for listening and hope you learned something. Maybe God spoke to you through some part of this message. And just remember to find some rest and some family time together. So eat a meal together.

[B]

Yep. So we'll see you. We'll see you next week.

[A]

All right, Peace out, guys.

[B]

All right. We love you guys. Sam.