Moaning With Dr. Myrtle (HBP Chapter 21, 'The Unknowable Room')

Summary

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MuggleCast: The Harry Potter Re-Read Podcast

Episode Title: Moaning With Dr. Myrtle (HBP Chapter 21, "The Unknowable Room")
Date: April 15, 2026
Hosts: Andrew, Eric, Laura, Micah

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into Chapter 21 of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, "The Unknowable Room." The hosts dissect the mystery surrounding Draco Malfoy’s secretive activities, the recurring motif of the Room of Requirement, and the emotional states of both Harry and Draco. The discussion also highlights parallels to earlier series events and explores the role of characters like Moaning Myrtle and Tonks. As always, the team weighs character motivations, thematic threads, and sprinkles in thoughtful (and playful) speculation, making this episode both analytical and entertaining for Potter fans.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The "Other Side Can Do Magic Too" Theme

[Approx. 04:26–08:49]

• Micah revisits a key line from Fudge in Book 6: “But the trouble is the other side can do magic too, Prime Minister.”
• Polyjuice Potion: Both sides (Harry and Draco) use similar magical means for different purposes. Draco using both Polyjuice and the Room of Requirement draws a parallel to the Trio’s earlier adventures.
• Eric on Draco: “He’s probably like, ‘That’ll show Potter’ as he goes and does what Potter did, but to use it against him.” (05:43)
• The hosts debate whether Draco’s copying of Harry’s past strategies deepens his resentment for Harry.

Harry and Draco: Parallels & Motivation

[07:16–08:32]

• Parallels between Harry and Draco: Both are “determined” and use similar tactics.
• Andrew speculates this may foreshadow their later détente: “If it almost kind of foreshadows Harry and Draco being cool after the events of book seven ... the way we tackle challenges is similar.” (07:16)
• Micah: Considering each character’s motivations from their own perspective complicates the idea of “good” vs. “bad” magic use.

Harry’s Distraction & Dumbledore’s Methods

[08:49–15:38]

• Hermione’s consistent reminder: Harry is too distracted by Draco, neglecting the quest for Slughorn’s memory.
• Andrew: “Hermione’s right. As he was. It was a brilliant thought.” (09:57)
• Discussion of Dumbledore’s teaching style: Is he too hands-off? Is this to force Harry’s independence before Book 7?
• Dumbledore’s motives questioned — does he believe Harry has more in common with Tom Riddle than is comfortable?

Notable Quote:
Laura: “People who are in powerful positions — the best people to do that are the people who don’t want to.” (14:32)

Dobby, Kreacher, and House-Elf Dynamics

[17:02–24:38]

• Dobby and Kreacher report on Draco’s movements on Harry’s orders.
• Discussion on the ethical implications of Harry’s instructions, especially with Dobby’s past trauma serving the Malfoys.
• House-elf psychology—Dobby’s loyalty leads him to self-punish, demonstrating how deeply ingrained his servitude is.
• Questioning the nature of Draco and Dobby’s relationship as children.

Notable Exchange:
Micah: “Harry should have been a bit more mindful of what he was asking the former Malfoy house elf to do...” (17:02)
Andrew: “You have to be really careful with your words when you’re giving a house-elf instructions.” (19:10)

The Room of Requirement Revelation

[24:38–28:44]

• Dobby’s info leads Harry to finally realize Draco is using the Room of Requirement.
• Why did it take so long? The team hypothesizes a kind of “ownership bias” — Harry, Ron, and Hermione felt the room was “theirs.”
• Eric: “If you loved a room the way I think they love that room ... you would always be like, ‘oh yeah, this is the corridor where the Room of Requirement is.’” (25:41)

Harry’s Dream Sequence

[26:29–28:44]

• After another epiphany, Harry dreams of Malfoy morphing into Slughorn, then Snape—a manifestation of his anxieties and the various “thorns” in his side.
• Andrew: “Three thorns in his side right now.” (27:09)

Snape’s Attitude, Inferi, and the Half-Blood Prince

[30:11–34:34]

• Snape’s crankiness at teaching DADA—whether due to Draco, Dumbledore, or just his nature.
• Reference to the importance of Bezoars—Hermione points out to Harry that he’d have known to use one if he’d listened to Snape in Year 1.
• Eric & Laura agree: Hermione’s logic is a stretch—it’s unlikely Harry would recall a single lesson from five years ago.
• Hints that Snape is the Half-Blood Prince are being seeded heavily in this chapter.

Moaning Myrtle & Draco’s Vulnerability

[34:34–38:15]

• Harry and Ron encounter Myrtle, who reveals that Draco comes to the bathroom upset and in tears.
• The group discusses Draco’s isolation and vulnerability compared to Harry’s strength in friendship.
• Andrew: “Moaning Myrtle is his therapist. There is therapy at Hogwarts. You just need to go to Moaning Myrtle.” (35:58)
• Laura: “Not only is Draco Malfoy ... confiding in the ghost of a 12-year-old girl, she’s Muggle-born.” (37:48)

Tonks’ Appearance and Relationship Parallels

[38:15–43:34]

• Tonks has a brief, emotional scene, seeking Dumbledore and asking after members of the Order. Harry misinterprets her distress as unrequited love for Sirius.
• Laura offers the likely explanation: Tonks is anxious about Lupin, who’s “gone underground” and isn’t contacting her.
• The hosts poke fun at Harry’s cluelessness about wizarding genealogies.

Chapter Threads and Connections to Past Books

[40:34–41:28 & 41:32–41:46]

• Micah: “Harry is once again searching to find a hidden entrance … and Moaning Myrtle, she's dealing with a Slytherin student in a bathroom who is up to no good.”
• Multiple callbacks to Chamber of Secrets, book-length parallels highlighted.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Bring me the blonde. Give me the room where the blonde is.” (Andrew, 03:57)
• “Fumble Your Way to Success: Seven Big Tips for Becoming the Next Chosen One by Harry James Potter.” (Eric, 15:38)
• “You have to be really careful with your words when you’re giving a house-elf instructions.” (Andrew, 19:10)
• “Moaning Myrtle is his therapist. There is therapy at Hogwarts.” (Andrew, 35:58)
• “He’s confiding in the ghost of a 12-year-old girl — she’s Muggle-born!” (Laura, 37:48)
• “Three thorns in his side right now.” (Andrew, 27:09)
• “Show me the room where Draco bellows.” (Andrew, 44:21 – links line MVP segment)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [04:26] – “Other Side Can Do Magic Too”: Polyjuice parallels & magic as a tool
• [08:49] – Harry’s obsession with Draco vs. his main quest
• [14:32] – Dumbledore’s motives/examining power (Laura’s quote)
• [17:02] – Dobby & Kreacher’s Draco surveillance report
• [24:38] – Realization: Draco is using the Room of Requirement
• [26:29] – Harry’s dream linking Malfoy, Slughorn, and Snape
• [30:11] – Snape’s mood in DADA class; Bezoar lessons
• [34:34] – Myrtle’s recounting of Draco’s vulnerability
• [38:15] – Tonks and her emotional distress
• [44:21] – "Links Line" (MVP): Amusing wrong answers for Room of Requirement opening phrases

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Engaging & Fun Additions

• The hosts create their own humorous “wrong” incantations to open the Room of Requirement (44:21).
• Several running jokes: Andrew and Eric teasing about fanfiction and plays, mic drops, and playful banter.

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Additional Observations

• The hosts repeatedly connect Half-Blood Prince to Chamber of Secrets, drawing parallels in character arcs and plot devices.
• There’s critical engagement with character development, especially in how Draco and Harry mirror and oppose each other.
• Tonks’ portrayal in this chapter gets some pushback for reducing her to a lovesick background character.

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Conclusion

This episode is a thoughtful (and often hilarious) exploration of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince Chapter 21. It’s packed with both insightful literary analysis and the friendly chemistry fans expect from MuggleCast. Whether it’s reconsidering Draco Malfoy’s inner world, unpacking Dobby’s psychology, or riffing on Room of Requirement prompts, the hosts balance nostalgia, criticism, and playfulness in equal measure.

Listeners are left with new ways to interpret familiar characters, and an invitation to reflect on why certain magical motifs and emotional arcs resonate across the series. Plus, they get a solid preview of the drama and reveals yet to come in the final chapters of Book 6.

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Transcript

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[Eric]

This creature's beneath you. Why do you give him your time? And Draco would be like, you're right. Why do I give him my time? Father, you suck.

[Andrew]

Dabby welcome to Mugglecast, your weekly ride into the world of Harry Potter. I'm Andrew.

[Laura]

I'm Eric.

[Micah]

I'm Micah.

[Laura]

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[Andrew]

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[Eric]

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[Andrew]

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[Eric]

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[Eric]

And we last discussed this on episode 412, called determinedly. I think that refers to Harry. And this is double duty here. This pensive clip is a mind blowing comment from Laura that still makes my jaw drop. And it also foreshadows this week's links line question. Roll the clip. What you're looking at are memories. This is the most important memory I've collected. It is from Mugglecast episode 412.

[Laura]

I was wondering, given the chapter title, if what Draco had asked for was an Unknowable Room. Because I remember, like, after reading the chapter, I was like, well, it's the room of Requirement. Why is this chapter called the Unknowable Room? And then I'm wondering, like, if this is something outside of the purview of what we see as readers. If that is what Draco asked for.

[Eric]

That's a good question.

[Andrew]

What other phrases would we use to get into the room? I'm thinking, bring me the blonde. Give me the room where the blonde is.

[Laura]

And then it just shows Luna Lovegood. She just popped up.

[Andrew]

Damn it. Not you, Luna.

[Laura]

This memory is everything.

[Micah]

I feel like Laura has solved the room. There's no more to talk about in this chapter.

[Laura]

Cool. Well, we'll see you next time.

[Eric]

Bye.

[Micah]

Actually, that's. That's where I was going to start because it felt like there wasn't a whole lot that happens in this chapter. However, I did want to go back to one of the larger themes. And this takes us back to the first chapter of this book. And I thought we could spend a little bit of time discussing it because it's a line that is delivered by Fudge to the Muggle Prime Minister. And he says, but the trouble is the other side can do magic too. Prime Minister. And the reason why this came to mind is because we have both Crabbe and Goyle that Harry figures out in this chapter have been Using Polyjuice Potion. This is something that we saw Harry and Ron use in Chamber of Secrets for, you know, they're looking to use it for their own means. And then we see Draco using the Room of Requirement and we know that Harry used this room for Dumbledore's army in Order of the Phoenix. So yes, the other side can do magic too, and they're using it for their own means. So is it fair to say that Harry or Draco is taking a page out of Harry's book here?

[Eric]

I love this.

[Laura]

Yeah, yeah.

[Eric]

He's probably like, that'll show Potter as he goes and does what Potter did. But to use it against him.

[Andrew]

But I do wonder if Draco borrowing Harry's ideas in this way makes him despise Harry even more. He hates that he's kind of relying on Harry in a way to get the job done.

[Eric]

It's like that Onion headline, which is like the worst person, you know, just made a great point. It's like, oh, darn, this will help me thwart Dumbledore. Yeah. I'm really curious to know what ever came about as far as Harry and Ron making it into the Slytherin common room in year two. I wonder if they were ever sort of suspected. Like if Draco really ever figured out that that was somebody in there trying to get figure out if he was the Heir Slytherin or not. Or not. Because there's never any immediate blowback. Obviously there's not detention or consequences. But I'm kind of interested if in the years that followed, Malfoy was like, oh yeah, they. So they used Polyjuice. Okay. And then actually props to him though, because he's the one that eyeballed the big vat of Polyjuice at the, like, day one Slughorns lesson and managed somehow throughout class while everyone else was paying attention to something else to get some. And in fact, enough for Crab and Goyle all year.

[Laura]

Yeah, yeah. So both Harry and Malfoy walked away from that class with a potion.

[Eric]

Oh, yeah.

[Laura]

That ultimately helps set their trajectory in the book.

[Eric]

There you go. Yeah.

[Andrew]

I do also wonder, just talking about Draco borrowing these ideas from Harry, if it almost kind of foreshadows Harry and Draco being cool after the events of book seven. You know what I mean? Like, oh, we actually do have something in common. We. The way we tackle challenges is similar.

[Eric]

Yeah, I think there's something to that for sure.

[Micah]

Yeah. I just like the fact that, you know, here we are in the sixth book and for so long we've thought of it from the perspective of Harry. It makes sense because we are reading it from his perspective, but we have other students who are using it, using magic, as, you know, as I said earlier, kind of a means to an end. And when we look at it through Harry's lens, we're always so quick to say, oh, well, he's doing it for good reasons. But when we look at it, let's say through Draco's lens, the tendency is to think, well, he's not doing it for good reasons, but actually he's doing it to save his own life and protect his family, which I know. Maybe we can talk a little bit more about probably in the next chapter as we get to see him being a little bit more vulnerable through Myrtle.

[Eric]

Yeah. I just love that you were able to pick out sort of this plot and be like, this is you really elevated. The Other side Can Do Magic two line to, like, a thesis statement and to, like, look at a chapter like that. No, it really is because, like, this pays off. This is so apt. It's 100% for me.

[Micah]

And this is a little bit more maybe on the juvenile side of things. Right. Because we're going to get to the point where the other side is going to be using magic to do serious harm to Harry and company. So one of the things that Hermione consistently reminds Harry about throughout the chapter is that his eyes are not on the prize. Right. Like, so we were just talking about Draco and his disappearing act. The fact that Harry is so consumed with what is Draco doing throughout the course of this school year. And she's really adamant that he should be trying to retrieve Slughorn's memory. But he is so preoccupied with Draco and putting Hermione aside because we know she's been a little bit of a thorn. You know, this has been something that she's been really focused on. I thought, shouldn't he be more focused? Just given how testy Dumbledore was with him during their last lesson, shouldn't that be enough of a motivating factor for Harry?

[Laura]

Plus, Hermione's just Right.

[Andrew]

Right. Yeah.

[Laura]

As he was.

[Andrew]

It was a brilliant thought. Yeah.

[Laura]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Her. Her line is, it's not a question of tricking him or bewitching him or Dumbledore could have done it in a second. Instead of messing around outside the rumor requirement, you should go and find Slughorn and start appealing to his better nature. I loved hearing this from Herion because Dumbledore is training Harry to manipulate people, not unlike what we saw from Tom Riddle in the memories. And I think there's also a bit of a parallel here between Harry and Dumbledore. Draco is Harry's tough nut to crack and Slughorn is Dumbledore's tough nut to crack. And both Harry and Dumbledore are refusing to give up their respective metaphorical nuts.

[Eric]

There's the episode titled Tough Nuts.

[Laura]

Oh, not metaphorical nuts.

[Eric]

I think it's. Yeah, yeah. Too well, it's parenthesis to crack. Yeah, well, you know, shouldn't. Shouldn't Hermione be taking lessons with Dumbledore? She's so willing to, like, she's so loyal to something. To everything he tells Harry. Hermione's right there going, yeah, you gotta do that. Dumbledore obviously makes sense with what he's doing Harry. And it's just like you should take lessons with him then. In fact, then he could give you the Horcrux books and tell you all about that.

[Laura]

Like, she's not the Chosen One, though.

[Eric]

Exactly. That's right. She's not the Chosen One. So she should sit back and let Harry's process roll out. Now. Harry completely wastes his time. This entire chapter is just him wasting time. It's not. It's not even that the chapter that not much happens in this chapter. It's a whole lot of nothing happens in this chapter because Harry can't get in the room and he's wasting time spinning wheels.

[Micah]

It does feel like this chapter, there are smaller events that take place that are setting up bigger events in the later chapters, even going into Deathly Hallows. But with Dumbledore, should he have offered Harry just a little bit more guidance? It feels like he's operating on an island here.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Micah]

You know, just go get Slughorn's memory. No big deal. Harry.

[Eric]

No, no.

[Andrew]

Well, I think I brought up this point a few weeks ago, but it's worth reiterating. Dumbledore might be wanting Harry to think for himself so that he can practice for what's ahead when Dumbledore is no longer in the picture. And I think this is also training Harry to bounce ideas off of Ron and Hermione, who also will be helping Harry in the next book once Dumbledore is Dumbledead. If Harry truly cannot figure this out for himself in time, Dumbledore would have eventually given him some big brain guidance, I think. But I. And, and even though Dumbledore was frustrated a chapter or two ago with Harry's progress, I think Dumbledore knows they're truly not out of time just yet so he can let Harry continue to cook and see what he comes up with.

[Laura]

Yeah. Also I, I agree. I think this is an intentional choice to test Harry and to prepare him for what's to come. Because Dumbledore tells him at the beginning of the year, hey, Slughorn is trying to collect you. This is why I brought you, to even convince him to come back to Hogwarts. Because there's something that we need from him. And if Harry had leaned into the flattery, been engaged in the Slug Club from the very start, Harry could have probably gotten this out of Slughorn. Much in the same way that Tom got information about the Horcruxes out of him. And Harry wouldn't need the Felix Felicis, but because he didn't do any of that, now he needs Felix.

[Eric]

Well, I don't know, because Harry isn't that way though. Harry is not a flatterer. Harry's not somebody that leans in or enjoys being among elite social company. Oh no, I agree. I think it would be a mistake for Dumbledore to just let Harry run wild. Like how much of this hands off approach is because he trusts Harry and how much of it is because he has no idea how to actually get the, the memory from Slughorn. So I, I'm a little interested in, in that. I mean maybe he credits Harry with being much more like Tom than he should. Like maybe, maybe we should all be offended as readers. Like, oh, you think he's like little Voldemort? Like what does that, what does that say about the Horcrux connection between them too? Like a bit of Tom brushed off and, and landed on Harry after his parents died. Like how much the fact that you would just go around flattering teachers and be wildly successful at it. It turns out, yes, but Harry's natural inclination is not to flatter or be fake. He's just weird.

[Laura]

Yeah. And actually Eric, I really love the push that you're giving here. And it almost makes me rethink my original point because Dumbledore does at some point. I can't remember if it's before this point or if it's after he's Dumbled dead and they're reconvening at the Dream King's Cross. Dumbledore says something along the lines of people who are in powerful positions. The best people to do that are the people who don't want to. Because people who would seek power and influence usually have ulterior motives. So maybe this is even Dumbledore testing Harry to see do you have any of that in you? Or are you actually still as motivationally pure as I've always known you to be? In which case that does set Harry up for success ultimately. Sometimes he kind of like fumbles his way to success, but it still works for him. So no, I like it.

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[Andrew]

Don't take everything so literally.

[Micah]

Dobby didn't sleep.

[Eric]

Gosh, Dobby.

[Micah]

Yeah, he didn't sleep. The poor house elf.

[Andrew]

It's fascinating because this shows you. You have to be really careful with your words when you're giving a house elf instructions. In terms of Dobby want to punish himself. Yes. I think, like you said, he was the Malfoy's house elf for probably decades. He is younger than Creature 2. Markedly younger, it seems. So I think he is still unwinding what he was doing for years and years. And even though he is not technically Harry's house elf, he feels fiercely loyal to. To Harry. And so he is up for taking his request so literally.

[Laura]

Yeah.

[Eric]

Don't we all have that, like, friend who sometimes goes a bit far because they care? It's like, you kind of got to be mindful with what you ask. Like, I think Harry was out of options when he brought Dobby and Kreacher on. But yes, he should have ultimately been. I mean, Harry is not. I would say Harry's. He's not a jerk, but he's not thoughtful. Right. So, like, there's years that go by without him ever visiting Hedwig in her owlery, you know, people that he. Or creatures that he is affiliated with, like, they. He doesn't always check in with them or make sure that what he's asked them to do doesn't, you know, deprive them of critical sleep. But it does come down to Dabi is willing to do it. I wonder what Kreacher's report would have looked like without Dabi there. Like, if Dabi weren't in the picture tailing him.

[Micah]

Yeah.

[Laura]

It seems like Preacher was trying to slow walk his report. Like he ultimately, you know, he know, he knows Harry is his master, so he has to give him the information, but he's not going to make it super convenient. But just revisiting the Dobby point really quickly here. I think it is important to recognize Dobby's free. He doesn't have to take orders from anyone, including Harry. But I think this also speaks to the fact, you know, Micah, you were talking about, this was Dobby's pretty much entire life experience. So free or not, Dobby still has this blueprint for how he navigates life. Right. So he's still to the points that are being brought up here. So he has such a tendency to see still default to that, especially if it's somebody that he's very comfortable following through, you know, for stuff on. So yeah, Harry could be more thoughtful here. It also makes me wonder, is Kreacher sleeping? Like, is Creature also depriving himself?

[Micah]

I don't see Kreacher engaging at the same level Dobby is.

[Andrew]

He didn't mean it that way. Around the clock monitoring.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Micah]

But I also wonder at times what the relationship was between Dobby and Draco. You know, it's interesting because we see the relationship or we learn more about it obviously in Deathly Hallows between Regulus and Creature. And I wonder sometimes if the relationship between the youth and the house elf is much closer than maybe the relationship between the parents. We know Lucius treats Dabi horribly, but we don't really know how Draco treated Dobby. Maybe there was a little bit of a softer relationship there. So maybe he's. He's not totally committed to tailing Draco.

[Laura]

Yeah, I could definitely see a possibility in which Dobby and any house elf would be sort of commanded to be a caretaker for young children.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Laura]

So maybe, maybe Dobby and Draco had more of a relationship when Draco was a child. But I feel like the second Draco embarks on adolescence and sort of growing his own like sense of self, which is really just what his parents are projecting at this point, I think he would just turn into a little jerk and it would probably. Yeah, it was probably horrible for Dobby because he, if he was there from when Draco was born, he presumably had this child that he had cared for. Being a complete ass to him. Well, right. When he reached a certain age.

[Eric]

You know, if you think about young Draco, I mean, Draco lost Dabi when he was 12. So like when you Think about sort of Draco malfoy at age 11 and 12. He just parroted whatever his parents said. So the second that, that Lucius stumbled in and saw Draco being kind to Dabi used to be like, oh, Draco, this is the help. You don't need to thank the help or this creature's beneath you. Why don't you give him your time? And Draco would be like, you're right. Why do I give him my time, Father? You suck, Dabi. You know, like, it was obviously a bad enough situation for Dabi to get. By the way, I'm going to do. I'm going to write my own little play of young Malfoy and Dabi. I think it inspired. But yeah, it was bad enough for Dobby to leave. Thank you.

[Andrew]

Finish the Ginny fanfiction first.

[Eric]

Thank you. Thank you for remembering.

[Micah]

Reminding me we bit all together. There's a way.

[Andrew]

Two birds, one step.

[Micah]

And there is a really nice connecting the threads moment here. I just thought of in that Dabi is reporting back on the Malfoys, right? This is exactly what he did in Chamber of Secrets and he's doing it again here in Half Blood Prince.

[Laura]

Love that.

[Micah]

So the information that Dobby provides, we won't include Creature here because Creature was definitely slow playing it. As was alluded to earlier, Harry's Abel, he has an epiphany. It's the Room of Requirement. That is where Draco is going. Why did it take Harry and Hermione 452 pages to realize that they were using. That Draco was using the Room of Requirement, given how much time they spent there in order the Phoenix.

[Laura]

And also given the fact that they know Draco knows about it because he's the one who caught them there.

[Micah]

Right?

[Andrew]

Yeah. Could it be the fact they kind of feel like they own the room, like it was their place? I know anybody can access it and it can provide whatever they want, but maybe they just, like, they were so proud of themselves for having the room requirement, they didn't think Draco would come up with it too.

[Eric]

I think that's probably exactly it. But you ever, like, go past a restaurant where you had a really good meal, you're just like driving by it on like a road or a highway and you look and you're like, oh, yeah, that's the place I went to. We see Harry and Hermione and Ron walk right by the room. In fact, walk past these little girls multiple times. And at nowhere in Harry's head is it like we're by the Room of Requirement. Now but like if you loved a room the way I think they love that room and come to rely on it, you would always be like, oh yeah, this is the corridor where the room of requirement is. You wouldn't just like be so engrossed in conversation, wouldn't realize where that cool restaurant was.

[Andrew]

I like that restaurant analogy because I actually drove by a restaurant a few weeks ago and I saw Draco there and it was like dude, that's my spot.

[Eric]

Ah. And then you sat down together because there was a bar and you said bring me the blonde and it was a blondale that you got.

[Micah]

Well, after Harry finds out this information and it is interesting because he has back to back epiphanies and I know we're going to talk about another epiphany that he has in the next chapter. Just things he's casually forgot about throughout the course of this book. When he goes to bed on that night, he has a dream. And I wanted to call it out because we know that the dreams that Harry has just aren't happenstance. They usually mean something. And he had a dream where Malfoy turned into Slughorn, who turned into Snape. And I just wanted to, you know, ask the group, what do we make of this?

[Andrew]

Three thorns in his side right now.

[Micah]

There you go. I love it.

[Eric]

It's another good episode title.

[Andrew]

Hashtag maketheconnection.

[Eric]

Yeah, yeah, it's weird cause he just figured out that some actual transformation was happening with two Slytherins. Now he has this dream where everything's morphing together. But yet I think it's just the piling up list of responsibilities or sort of problems for Harry to tackle for sure. And that's actually a good thing about sleep. And sometimes dreams is they can show us a path forward or they can like summarize kind of. By the way, Harry, here's like so your, your nightly Hermione report of what you still haven't fixed. Um, yeah, I think it's probably that

[Andrew]

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[Laura]

Not only should you sleep a full eight hours, Dobby get good sleep. You deserve it.

[Eric]

But I think we also have to give Malfoy some flowers that it went this long. Like whatever he was doing, the means that he was doing it actually succeeded in, in keeping Harry off his scent. And Ron and Hermione, he's like the full power of Hermione behind him and they still didn't figure this out for 452 pages. Like, we often hear about Draco having like, good grades. His gr. He's, he's comparable to Hermione in that regard, which I still find hard to believe. But like, if he's a good student, if he's actually a smart student, we know him as a little piss ant. But like, he's smart and he solved this. He figured out how to, you know, not tip off Harry, Ron and Hermione for this long. That's pretty impressive.

[Micah]

Definitely is. Well, Andrew, you mentioned Casper Mattresses. We do need to hear a quick word from our sponsors. And we'll be right back after this break to talk more about Draco and Snape two emo Slytherins.

[Eric]

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[Micah]

Well, you know who doesn't sleep on a Casper mattress? Snape.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah. No wonder he's so cranky all the time.

[Micah]

And Snape is in pretty rare form in this chapter. There's probably other moments in the series we can point to where he's this vicious, but I'm curious what's going on with him. Here is his more than sassy attitude due to Draco Dumbledore? Did he just not have his coffee this morning? Because the way he treats Harry and Ron not becoming of a professor.

[Eric]

The guy just got his dream job. Has he tried being a little happier? I don't know. Has he tried cracking a smile every once in a while? He's doing what he loves to do. But I go back to day one of year one where he's like, if you aren't the usual bunch of dunderheads, I usually have to teach. And it's like, oh, he actually just hates the students too. It's not even just hating teaching, it's hating the students. So I don't think he's ever going to be happy.

[Andrew]

He was also. He was just fighting with Dumbledore last chapter, two chapters ago. Yes, A fight so heated that they didn't hear. Ruby is so big. He looks like three people.

[Eric]

Hagrid walking nearby Rufus, Ruby's dolphin footed Hagrid, he's.

[Andrew]

He's probably just still very frustrated with Draco and Dumbledore. You know we were just talking about Harry, his thorns in his side. Snape's got a few right now too that he's juggling so. And then you mix that in with his usual hatred for the kids and it's just a vicious combination.

[Micah]

Well, Draco is a shared thorn in both.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Micah]

Snape and Harry's side and Voldemort kind of.

[Eric]

And Dumbledore. Yeah. So no, I, I think it's worth noting that like maybe Snape actually cares about Dumbledore. And so being asked to kill somebody and he knows that's got to happen pretty much by the end of the year, like he's still bitter about it. He's the only one to do it and it's protecting Draco's soul. I think there's that conversation between Snape and Dumbledore that we hear eventually, like, what about my soul? And Dumbledore's like, you'll be fine. But like maybe that conversation just happened last night and that would explain why Snape is so miserable.

[Micah]

Well, the whole point of us being in this Defense against the Dark Arts class is to talk about the inferior. And it was made clear at the beginning of this chapter that had Harry just listened to Snape in year one about Bezoars, he wouldn't have had to get any assistance from the Half Blood Prince. And so I'm wondering, should Harry also be paying attention to what Snape is teaching him about Inferiori? And I just wanted to call back the line at the beginning of the chapter when Harry says, don't worry Hermione, if it hadn't been for the Prince, Ron wouldn't be sitting here now. And she responded, he would. If you've just listened to Snape in our first year, which is a little unfair. I mean you're.

[Laura]

Yeah, yeah, come on, girl.

[Andrew]

Five years ago. It's not a great argument from Hermione. We all forget things that we were taught. I don't remember anything from school. I rarely think that. Sometimes I don't know if that's true. Should I come out?

[Eric]

I feel very similar. Yeah, I feel similar. It is a tall ass from, from Hermione especially because Beezers recovered during that first lesson. And not only that, but it was one of the questions Snape was asking Harry when he was bullying him. So like Snape, we don't hear Beezers coming up again in that book. So if Hermione is expecting Harry to remember the rapid fire questions that of course only she knew the answer to at that moment while he was being having to contend with the fact that a teacher doesn't like him. Sorry, that's just unreasonable. Hermione's being unreasonable right now.

[Laura]

I think this is just a hint hint for the reader. Yeah, like hey reader, maybe you forgot about Snape saying this in book one. So you should remember this moment where we're talking about Inferiori right now because they're going to come into play sooner than you think.

[Eric]

Well, and furthermore the fact this establishes that Snape knows about Beezers and Snape is the Half Blood Prince. So who wrote in this book just shove a Beezer down their throats? Oh yeah, yeah.

[Laura]

And yet still not connecting the dots.

[Micah]

I know, and I didn't mean to mention this when we first started the discussion. There's a lot of heavy allusion in this chapter in particular to the fact that Snape is the Half Blood Prince just in the writing and how close Snape's name is to Half Blood Prince at times. And so I think that, you know, obviously we're getting to that reveal in the next few chapters, but as you point out, it's been there all along. So. All right, well Harry should hopefully remember Inferiori because you know, they're coming in the next few chapters as well. But as they're leaving Defense against the Dark Arts, one of the few times we see Harry and Ron pop into the bathroom, they run into Moaning Myrtle and you know, what a surprise that they should see her. Just like they spent so much time with her in Chamber of Secrets. But she gives them some information and we're not told exactly who this person is, but I think we can certainly infer and Draco is in over his head. The passage that Myrtle gives about him is that he's sensitive. People bully him too and he feels lonely and hasn't got anybody to talk to and he's not afraid to show his feelings and cry.

[Andrew]

Aw. Moaning Myrtle is his therapist. There is therapy at Hogwarts. You just have to go to Moaning Myrtle.

[Eric]

She is not gonna be a Good therapist. Oh my God. And once she finds out because like she was so heavily bullied and I don't think she really has a lot of perspective from that. I don't think she's worked through her own issues yet.

[Andrew]

I do feel bad for Draco though. He, he didn't ask for any of this. Similar to how Tom Riddle was born out of a false romance, Draco was born into this evil family, at least from Lucius's side. And I'm not directly comparing the two here, but since we see both Tom and Draco pay the price for their bad families in this book, I thought that was worth mentioning.

[Eric]

Yeah, I, I feel, I think it definitely humanizes Draco and like he isn't able to talk to anyone else. Right. Like so Crabbe and Goyle. A big thing about the Polyjuice connection is that, you know, Harry, Ron and Hermione were all going to take Polyjuice. They were all going to go to the Slytherin common room. They were as friends, they were all on a mission. And in contrast what Crab and Goyle are doing with Polyjuice is kind of against their will. Draco is commanding them. It's not like Draco is able to bring in Crab and Goyle and say this is what we're all trying to achieve here. He stations them outside while he goes and does his thing. So his friendships are, are scattered or, or incomplete. And he doesn't have any friend like Harry does that he would rely on. And so he's going to this bathroom and crying to a ghost of a dead girl who died 50 years ago and finding some kind of common ground. And you do feel for Malfoy, but also he doesn't have what Harry has in terms of friendship.

[Micah]

Yeah.

[Laura]

And I just have to point out Myrtle Warren is Muggle born. So not only is Draco Malfoy. Yeah. Not only is he confiding in the ghost of a 12 year old girl, she's Muggle born.

[Micah]

So we definitely see that the stakes are rising for Draco and I agree. I think you can feel a bit of sympathy for him here. And at the end of the day he is just a 16 year old kid.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Micah]

So. Well, the chapter wraps up. Harry is still trying to be a sleuth and catch Draco at the rim of Requirement. He bumps into Tonks and there's a little awkward exchange between the two of them. She's definitely in a bit of a state, a little emotional. She's looking for Dumbledore, but we don't really Get a whole lot more context as to what's going on. Harry relays what's happened to Ron and Hermione and that's kind of how the chapter wraps up. There's no kind of big cliffhanger as we head into the next chapter. But did want to talk a little bit about Tonks just wandering around the castle. She's supposed to be on guard duty. She. She just seems out of sorts.

[Eric]

Yeah. What I find really interesting about this is that Harry, in talking with Tonks, gets a distinct impression that her feelings might be related to unrequited love. He straight up at the end of the chapter asks, or beginning of the next one, I forget, asks Ron and Hermione if it's possible that Tonks could have been in love with Sirius. Because when he tries to relate to Tonks in this chapter on the Sirius front, it goes nowhere. Because he's referring to Ceres as like, oh my, you know, my lost godfather. But he gets the distinct impression that Tonks is lovesick and I get. I gotta love non like noticing nondescript. Like usually he doesn't notice anything. And he picked up on sort of this source of Tonks's anxiety here. Good for him.

[Laura]

Yeah. But also, and I mean, granted, I know that like there is within pure blood families there's a lot of intermarrying that happens and everything. But like, is it so normalized that Harry forgets that they're cousins?

[Eric]

I think it's just based on the strength of the vibe he gets.

[Laura]

Okay. Keeping it in the family. Got it.

[Eric]

I mean, in my head, Canon Sirius wouldn't go for her either because Sirius and Lupin are together. But that's my headcanon.

[Micah]

Reminds me of the Lannisters. Well, and the Targaryens too.

[Eric]

Why don't you just any family from Game of Thrones.

[Micah]

Yeah, you gotta keep the blood pure, baby. Anyway, I'm gonna make that a clip.

[Eric]

I'm gonna play that.

[Micah]

Just a few odds and end as we wrap up this chapter. Wanted to connect some threads. I know we did a little bit in our discussion, but Harry is once again searching to find a hidden entrance. Much like in Chamber of Secrets. He is looking to the entrance for the Room of Requirement. And Moaning Myrtle. She's dealing with a Slytherin student in a bathroom who is up to no good. I feel like we could just go on and on here with a lot of the threads that can be connected between book two and book six. But we will end on our good friend Mondungus Fletcher. Who has been arrested. Probably worth noting, he's a member of the Order of the Phoenix. We know he's a bit of a sleazebag, but. Oh, yeah, he is off to Azkaban. That wasn't very clear.

[Laura]

He'll be back. Not.

[Eric]

Not his first. Yeah, not his first.

[Andrew]

According to the article, he does his wiki. He does go off to Azkaban.

[Micah]

Well, good for him.

[Andrew]

Good for him. Have a nice time.

[Eric]

He would be the one who would, like, figure out how to sell things to the dementors for. In exchange for, like, better treatment.

[Andrew]

Just quickly, Gabby said, I really dislike this Tonk storyline.

[Eric]

What?

[Andrew]

She's having some relationship issues and becomes useless. Yeah, I haven't really been a fan of this.

[Eric]

Yeah, it's not a Tonks thing. I think it's the way she's written. Given almost nothing to do except pine for a man she can't have. Like what? Yeah, I will say though, that the way that. The way that it comes across feels like she's received the same treatment from Dumbledore that Harry did last book. And I think it's easier to read Tonks this way as, like, so desperate if you really want to blame Dumbledore for, like, not taking her call. Because if this. What. What month is it right now? It's like, we're in spring.

[Andrew]

Spring.

[Eric]

Yeah, we're in spring. So if Dumbledore hasn't been, like, willing to talk to her and he's always leaving the school and she goes up to the gargoyle, she talks there and he's not there. Like, I would be about this desperate right around springtime if I had to talk to Dumbledore and he weren't taking my calls. So there's that.

[Micah]

Yeah, I'd like to know more about this just because I wonder if she was really looking for Dumbledore or if that was just her excuse.

[Laura]

I mean, isn't she trying to get. Cause she asks Harry if he's heard from anyone in the Order, Right? And I think it's because Remus has been underground doing werewolf stuff and she probably hasn't heard from him in a while. And she's probably trying to find information, trying to see if Dumbledore knows about Remus's whereabouts. Cause he's ghosting her.

[Eric]

Yeah, well, right. Dumbledore. Dumbledore, meanwhile, is like, I've told you Tonks, he's just not that into you. Quit asking me. I'm leaving the school to get away from you. Quit asking me where Remus is.

[Micah]

Well, it Is now time for our links line, which is basically our MVP segment. As well.

[Eric]

We should.

[Andrew]

We should. We're merging these going forward. Every. Everyone.

[Eric]

Yeah.

[Micah]

Yes. So I think this was alluded to last time, but it. It'll just show you how great our patrons are in answering these questions in comparison to our answers. So.

[Andrew]

Well, I'm proud of mine.

[Eric]

Yeah, me too.

[Laura]

No, no, no.

[Eric]

I.

[Micah]

You know, like, sometimes we deliver, but I always feel like our patrons are, are. Are stepping.

[Andrew]

They're very creative.

[Micah]

Yes.

[Andrew]

People. Yes.

[Micah]

So, and this actually ties back to the pensive segment from earlier. What would you say to make the room of requirement open for you to reveal what Draco is up to? Wrong answers only.

[Andrew]

So I'm thinking sun, sunshine, daisies, butter mellow. Show me the room where Jaco Bellows.

[Eric]

It's perfect. It's so good. I just put show me what I want or the next time I get in there, I'll burn you down with fiend fire. Too soon. Too soon.

[Micah]

I went with Drago. Come to mummy. Does Narcissa not say that in Deathly Hallows Part 2? It's something like that, right?

[Andrew]

Yeah. Something she said.

[Laura]

Something like that. Yeah. Oh, my God. Mine. I went with show me Draco's side hustle. Okay.

[Eric]

You're gonna be taken to a room where he brews, like, beer. It's on this side.

[Andrew]

Over on Patreon, Michael W. Said, I have desperately been trying to reach Draco about his car's extended warranty.

[Laura]

Yeah, that's great. That's really good.

[Micah]

Oh, man, that will definitely not open.

[Eric]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, it's gonna close up for good, actually. It'll close around you and banish you. Rachel Puff says, I solemnly swear that Draco is up to no good.

[Micah]

Rachel S. Says, I know Draco is in there watching Real Housewives of Hogsmeade and I have to get all the tea.

[Laura]

Eleanor AKA Laurian, says the fanfiction edit room find me a very attractive, sardonic, morally dubious, platinum blonde haired bad boy with daddy issues who can get a bit obsessive. In a good way.

[Andrew]

Zachary said if you don't show me what I want. Just wait until my father hears about this.

[Laura]

Oh, but Harry's father won't hear about this because he.

[Eric]

He did. Oops, He's Dumbledead. John Curl says, I have two tickets to the Cursed Child on Broadway.

[Andrew]

Clever.

[Micah]

And Justin says I need to figure out what this bellend Draco is doing. I am up every night trying to find him on the Marauders map and he doesn't show up. He has to be in here. And no, I am not obsessed with him. I just know he is up to something and none of my friends believe me, even though it's so obvious. I think my best friends are into each other anyway. And this thing with Jinny is super cute in the books but they really screwed it up in the movies and so I'm not really into it anymore. And so I'm kind of lonely. Me being lonely has nothing to do with the situation. I just really need to see him. I mean, I just really need to figure out what he is up to so I can stop him, you know?

[Andrew]

Justin, love you my guy. But the room of requirement is going to block you if it's a request this long.

[Eric]

Ooh, Stage five clinger alert. Oh God. You know the thing about this is is people need to remember that the Room of requirement to open it, you have to think the thing that you need and you have to think the thing you need at least three times while pacing back and forth. So Justin's man, if you can remember that, commit that monologue to memory. And I really hope it works for you listeners.

[Andrew]

If you have feedback about today's discussion, you can email or send a voice memo to mugglecastmail.com you can also reach out via the Spotify comments, the YouTube comments or DM us on social media. And next week we'll discuss Half Blood Prince Chapter 22 after the burial. Visit mugglecast.com for links to our social media, our Patreon, our transcripts, our favorite episodes, everything. Mugglecast is available on our website. And now it's time for Quizzage.

[Eric]

This week's question. In chapter 20 we learn why Hogwarts cannot have a Defense against the Dark Arts teacher. For more than a year in United States history, which two American presidents served less than a year in office? Anyone on this panel? Anybody? No. Me neither.

[Andrew]

Like I said, I didn't remember anything in school.

[Micah]

I just got less than, what is it, one year. McKinley?

[Eric]

Actually, no. So the two presidents, the only two to serve less than a year in office were William Henry Harrison in 1841, he served 32 days in office and James A. Garfield, 1881, who served 199 days in office. So believe it or not, 35% of people with the correct answer said they didn't look it up. And this is fun. You guys know Eden The Muggle established 2012. She wrote, I literally just learned about this. LOL.

[Laura]

So that's funny.

[Eric]

They're still teaching them in school, you guys. It's very exciting. Other people with this week's correct answer include Armando Dipit snoring quietly while one assumes Phineas Nigella's Black's eyes are rolling, Hagrid's hairy legs. Justice for Book, Ginny Slytherin, Squib Snape ate Lily the teacher who got a bet that he can last over one year as Defense against the Dark Arts professor Tiny Belly Tofutom wants to co host. Get in Line Buddy Tonks, Rhinoplasty and Vincent Lee fun usernames. And here, here is next week's Quizzage question. In chapter 21, Harry is searching for a phrase that'll get him into the room of requirement. Kind of like a password. Who was the host of the United States television game show called password from 1961 to 1975? It's a great show. Y' all should look up clips on YouTube. Here's a hint. He was married to Betty White.

[Micah]

Ooh. Steve Harvey.

[Eric]

Now, Steve Harvey.

[Andrew]

I'm your man, Steve Harvey.

[Eric]

Submit your answer to us on the mugglecast website Quizzage form, which there are about to be two of, by the way. Two questions going at one time to accommodate some of our double recordings. It's going to be very exciting over there. More on that later. And you can find the Kwizzitch form by clicking Quizzic on the top Nav.

[Andrew]

Thanks, everybody, for listening. I'm Andrew.

[Eric]

I'm Eric.

[Micah]

I'm Micah.

[Laura]

And I'm Laura.

[Andrew]

We'll see you next week. Bye.

[Micah]

Bye.

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