The Harry Potter TV Show Is Fixing The Ravenclaw Problem

Summary

Episode Overview

MuggleCast: The Harry Potter Re-Read Podcast
Episode Title: The Harry Potter TV Show Is Fixing The Ravenclaw Problem
Date: February 24, 2026
Hosts: Andrew (B), Micah (A), Laura (C)

This episode dives deep into the most recent news, rumors, and set details surrounding the upcoming HBO Max Harry Potter TV series, emphasizing how the show is resolving old issues—most notably the "Ravenclaw Problem." The hosts explore new set details, character developments (including insights from cast members), the potential for more expansive storytelling than ever before, the prospect of introducing underexplored magical creatures, and a fun game comparing book/movie dialogue. Listener predictions and a thoughtful conversation about adaptation possibilities round out an engaging, energetic discussion.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Banter and Trio Roles

• Lighthearted opening: The hosts joke about the Dursleys being "hot vampires."
• Andrew, Micah, and Laura humorously negotiate who claims which lead role (Hermione, Ron, Harry), poking at fandom tropes.

2. Harry Potter TV Show News & Set Details

• [04:20] Filming for Season 1 (Book 1) is nearly finished.
• Recent paparazzi/set photos show large Hogwarts house animal hedges in the courtyard.
  • Notably, Ravenclaw’s symbol is finally portrayed as an eagle (“It's about time.” — Micah, [05:01]), correcting the movie-verse error that depicted it as a raven.
  • Laura: “Finally somebody got it right. And it’s WB on their second try.” ([05:03])
• Speculation that the hedges might be magical—perhaps interacting with students (e.g., the lion roaring, the eagle cawing).
• The possible symbolism: the Ravenclaw eagle perched high could reflect Ravenclaw Tower’s position and the “ivory tower” reputation of the house.
  • Laura: "The house themed hedges are just giving me, like, Shining vibes. Like, Stephen King." ([05:34])
• Construction details: Hogwarts greenhouses seem inspired by the Hogwarts Legacy video game aesthetic.
  • Laura: “It wasn't really until the third movie onward where the environment felt like Hogwarts. The environment in Hogwarts Legacy definitely knocked it out of the park.” ([08:10])
  • Micah: “Why would you not? It’s been built in such a fantastic way by the team that put together Hogwarts Legacy.” ([09:09])

3. Expanding Storytelling Beyond the Books and Movies

• [09:59] Interview insights from Lox Pratt (Draco):
  • “With this adaptation, you get to see so much more than the books. The books are very much over Harry’s shoulder...You get to see Draco at home.” ([09:59])
  • Suggestion: We'll visit Malfoy Manor in Season 1—an environment not depicted in the books or films this early.
  • Laura: "It's gonna set the Draco arc up to be a lot more satisfying." ([10:59])
• More depth/coverage of Hogwarts staff and their private spaces is promised.

4. New Hagrid (Nick Frost): Characterization and Manifestation

• Nick Frost “manifested” the role by writing “Hagrid” 7,000 times while watching the movies ([12:12]).
• He’s learning to knit for authentic character preparation, as Hagrid knits in the books (notably on train to London; Book 1).
  • “Hagrid does indeed knit… described as knitting what looked like a canary yellow circus tent to pass the time. Pretty cool.” (Andrew, [13:05])
  • Laura: “I want to call out—seven thousand. Like, seven wasn’t enough. Double down on that magic number seven.” ([13:22])
• On honoring Robbie Coltrane while making the role his own, Nick Frost says:
  • “While I’m really aware of what went before me... I’m never going to try and be Robbie. I’m going to try and do something not different... but within that, there’s scope for minutiae.” ([13:56])
  • Hosts express approval, predicting careful but fresh takes for classic characters.

5. ‘Max That!’ Segment: What Else Should the Show Expand?

• Discussion of vampires in the Potterverse (“They get as many appearances as Peeves!” — Andrew, [15:09])
  • Vampires are mentioned 26 times in the books but never meaningfully depicted.
  • Rowling’s classic 1998-99 fan club writing: A "Society for the Tolerance of Vampires" existed in the Wizarding World.
  • Hosts hope for expanded lore, with possible allegories for minority oppression (like werewolves).
  • Laura: “There’s no meaningful representation of a vampire character. The only one is Sanguini in Book Six, and that’s a passing moment.” ([17:41])
  • Andrew: “Society for the Tolerance of Vampires gives me S.P.E.W. vibes. I wonder if [Rowling] took some of these elements and applied them to other groups.” ([19:36])
  • Mini-debate: Do vampires in Harry Potter have to be hot? (“No... They don’t have to.” — Andrew, [21:01]; Laura: “The Dursleys are hot, so why not?” [21:04])
  • Hosts joke about Twilight and Robert Pattinson’s dual roles as Cedric/Epward.
  • Andrew: "Vampires have a soft spot in my heart because I love True Blood, I love Twilight, I'd love to see them make a bit of a comeback through the Harry Potter series." ([21:11])
  • Laura: "Yeah, I think vampires would love to make a soft spot in your heart too." ([21:26])

6. Game Segment—“Was This Line in the Sorcerer’s Stone Book and Movie?”

• [22:18] The hosts are quizzed on whether certain iconic lines appeared in both the book and movie.
  • Example: “It does not do to dwell on dreams and forget to live.” — Present in both. ([23:09])
  • “Woo made it. Can you imagine the look on old McGonagall’s face if we were late?” — Movie-only.
  • “I can teach you how to bottle fame...if you aren't as big a bunch of dunderheads as I usually have to teach.” — Dunderheads cut from the movie.
  • Hosts delight in rediscovering the dialogue.

7. Listener Predictions: Who Will Appear First in the TV Series?

• [24:38] Patrons make predictions:
  • Voldemort (not shown at first, only his cloak as he enters Godric’s Hollow),
  • Hot Vernon,
  • Snape in a prophecy flashback,
  • Trelawney and Dumbledore during the prophecy,
  • Dumbledore at Privet Drive,
  • The Potter family before tragedy strikes.
• Consensus: Hopes are high for a bold, new narrative angle rather than a simple retread.
  • Micah: “I want it to be the prophecy—Snape overhearing Trelawney and Dumbledore in the Hog’s Head.” ([25:52])
  • Andrew: "They need to give us something really good and unique from the outset to say, welcome to the TV show." ([25:27])
  • Laura: "I can see them starting with Vernon and the Muggle world, but as a flashback." ([27:30])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Ravenclaw Eagle:
  • Micah: “It's about time.” ([05:01])
  • Laura: “Finally somebody got it right. And it’s WB on their second try.” ([05:03])
• On TV adaptation depth:
  • Lox Pratt: “With this adaptation, you get to see so much more than the books...You get to see Draco at home.” ([09:59])
  • Laura: "It's gonna set the Draco arc up to be a lot more satisfying." ([10:59])
• On Nick Frost's Hagrid prep:
  • Nick Frost: "Before I was cast as Hagrid, my partner suggested trying to manifest it. So last Christmas, I watched all the films back to back on the Sky Harry Potter channel...while writing out the word Hagrid 7,000 times." ([12:12])
  • Nick Frost: “I'm never going to try and be Robbie [Coltrane]. I'm going to try and do something not different...but within that, there's scope for minutiae.” ([13:56])
• On expanding magical creatures:
  • Andrew: “They get as many appearances as peeves!” (re: vampires, [15:09])
  • Laura: “There’s no meaningful representation of a vampire character. The only one is Sanguini in Book Six, and that’s a passing moment.” ([17:41])
• On adaptation freshness:
  • Andrew: "They need to give us something really good and unique from the outset...This is why you are going to watch." ([25:27])
  • Micah: "I want it to be the prophecy—Snape overhearing Trelawney and Dumbledore in the Hog’s Head." ([25:52])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [04:20] — Paparazzi set photos, house animal hedges, Ravenclaw eagle fix
• [06:00] — Speculating on magical, interactive hedges
• [07:15] — Hogwarts greenhouses design inspired by "Hogwarts Legacy"
• [09:59] — Lox Pratt interview on Draco, expansion beyond book POV
• [12:12] — Nick Frost’s Hagrid manifestation and knitting preparation
• [13:56] — Frost on honoring/innovating Hagrid after Robbie Coltrane
• [15:09] — Segment: “Max That!”—Vampires in the Potterverse
• [21:01] — Are Harry Potter vampires supposed to be hot?
• [22:18] — Game: Book vs. Movie dialog
• [24:38] — Listener predictions: Who appears first in the TV series?
• [25:52] — Micah/Laura’s TV show opening scene predictions
• [27:30] — Final thoughts, Dumbledore and first look trailer speculation

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Style & Tone

• The episode maintains the hosts’ playful, quippy humor and affectionate ribbing.
• In-depth Potter canon knowledge is paired with plenty of speculation and personal opinions.
• The atmosphere is equal parts nerdy debate, inside joke, and enthusiastic analysis.

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Conclusion & Ways for Listeners to Participate

The hosts wrap up with teases for future TV-show focused episodes (e.g., Cursed Child canon, Pottermore lore, differentiating books/movies and the show). Listeners are encouraged to send feedback and predictions for potential feature in future discussions.

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For More

• Patreon for bonus content: Patreon.com/mugglecast
• Contact: Email, social media DMs, YouTube, Spotify
• Next Week: Returns to Chapter by Chapter book re-read
• Episode closes with speculation: First trailer might drop around Back to Hogwarts Day (Sept 1) or Halloween ([29:27])

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This episode is essential for fans eager to see deeper world-building in the TV show, those seeking sharp Potter analysis, and anyone who always thought Ravenclaw deserved their eagle at last.

Transcript

[A]

Do the vampires in the Harry Potter series have to be hot?

[B]

No, no, no, they don't have to.

[C]

I mean, the Dursleys are hot, so why not?

[A]

What if the Dursleys are hot vampires? What a twist that would be.

[B]

Welcome to Mugglecast, your weekly ride into the world of Harry Potter. I'm Andrew.

[A]

I'm Micah.

[C]

And I'm Laura.

[B]

And we're your Harry Potter trio. This week talking about the books and the movies, and this week focusing on the upcoming HBO Max TV show. So make sure you follow us in your favorite podcast app, and you'll never miss one of these new monthly episodes of Mugglecast in which we're focused on the Harry Potter TV show.

[A]

I was gonna ask Andrew, you mentioned Trio, who is who?

[B]

I'll go ahead and be Ron. You can be Harry if you want, Micah.

[A]

Well, Laura, do you have a choice?

[C]

No, I think we already when we tried to do this take the first time, it seems like I end up being Hermione because I'm a girl.

[A]

I'll take Hermione if you want to be Harry.

[C]

Oh, I don't want to be Harry. That sounds awful.

[B]

Who do you want to be then?

[C]

Are you kidding me?

[B]

Ron.

[C]

I'll be Ron. I'll be Ron. Doesn't get enough love, man. I'll be Ron.

[B]

Okay, so Mike is Hermione, Laura's Ron, and I'm Harry. There we go.

[C]

There we go.

[B]

That sounds good.

[C]

Perfect.

[B]

Cool.

[A]

Works out well.

[B]

We have lots of new segments today, and we'll have lots of coverage of the Harry Potter TV show this and every month going forward. But first of all, just want to let everybody know that your financial support of Mugglecast will help us continue to cover the Harry Potter TV show for years and years to come. HBO seems to have big things planned for this show as we'll talk about today. And we believe this television adaptation is going to be a really special treat for Harry Potter fans. And we want to be there with you all through it. So by pledging to our Patreon, we'll hook you up with bonus episodes of Mugglecast, add free episodes of the show, live streams, a monthly Zoom hangout where we've been talking about the Harry Potter show quite a bit with your fellow listeners, and there will be many more perks available to you on Patreon. We are going to record a new bonus Mugglecast this week. Laura, what are we going to be doing?

[C]

So just to keep the hype train going around talking about the TV show, we're actually going to do a bonus that is centered all around TV show predictions. So we're going to be doing some predictions specifically around season one of the show, but we're also going to talk about future seasons. We're going to be asking questions like, will season one use Philosopher for all audiences or will they do multiple American centric takes using Sorcerer?

[B]

Place your bets, place your bets. We're gonna have a fun prediction centric episode of bonus Mugglecast and that'll be fun to look back on in a year or so.

[C]

Are we actually gonna put money down? It could be fun if we wanted to put money down.

[B]

Sure.

[C]

Okay. $20 as like the limit or.

[B]

Oh, you want to bet more or. No, I'm just a flat $20.

[C]

Oh, just. Okay, yeah, yeah, I think that's fair. But like, maybe you have to spread your $20 out amongst all the predictions.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah, right.

[A]

I was going to say just use the patron money to bet.

[B]

No, that's irresponsible.

[A]

Oh, is it?

[C]

And we are very responsible here at the show, definitely.

[B]

So listeners can look forward to that. And there are other great ways to support us to help us run this independent podcast can leave us a review in your favorite podcast app. You can tell a fellow Muggle about our show and you can visit mugglecastmerch.com to buy shirts, hats, glassware and more. Thanks, everybody. And with that, let's get into it. So like I said, we're going to have different segments that we rotate out with each episode of mugglecast that's focused on the TV show, but in classic mugglecast fashion. Let's start with the latest news about the show filming on season one, meaning book one is reportedly nearing its end. And one fun element of the filming process thus far for onlookers is that we've been treated to a bunch of paparazzi photos. We've talked about a bunch of photos in the past. We've seen the Dursleys filming. We've seen Dumbledore on a beach for some reason. And in more recent weeks, they have been building what looks like Hogwarts focused sets. And people have noticed that there are Hogwarts house animal hedges in the Hogwarts courtyard. Now, two things about this. First of all, I find it very cute that these giant hedges with each Hogwarts house animal, they look pretty big, right? Are in the Hogwarts courtyard. That's pretty cool. It almost looks like they could be bigger than the children. And then Laura and Micah, you'll be Thrilled to know that Ravenclaw's symbol appears to be an eagle in the series.

[A]

It's about time.

[C]

Finally somebody got it right. And it's WB on their second try.

[B]

It's been a raven in the movies and the merchandise, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. All right.

[A]

In fairness though, it is called Ravenclaw, so I could see how that might have tripped up some folks initially when they were planning for the series. But when you have the author right there to be able to correct you, it does feel like a little bit of a miss.

[C]

No, this is really cool. I mean, and this is kind of me just putting my own, like, because I love scary stuff. The house themed hedges are just giving me, like, shining vibes. Like Stephen King.

[B]

Uh huh. Yeah.

[A]

I love that we're talking about grass to start.

[B]

Aren't you excited about grass?

[C]

What better topic?

[B]

I think it's cool. I thought it was a pleasant surprise.

[A]

So I did have a question for you both about these hedges, the shrubbery. Do we think it's going to be magical? Do we think it's going to interact with the students at all?

[C]

Right. Like, is the lion gonna roar? Is the eagle gonna caw?

[B]

I thought you were gonna say cough.

[A]

No, the eagle looks like it could be a bit of a snitch because it's perched and it can see everything that's going on.

[B]

It is. Well, maybe to your point, Micah, I was wondering, like, okay, it's a bird, so that's why it would be up on like a ledge. But then I was thinking, why is only that one up there? Maybe because there is going to be some movement. I think that is a cool call out though. It kind of sort of like how the Whomping Willow kind of comes to life. These Hogwarts house animal hedges might come to life too.

[A]

So actually, to. To just build off of what you said about the eagle being perched up there, wasn't there something about Ravenclaw Tower and how it was positioned so that it looked down on the rest of the school? Because Ravenclaws think that they're better than everybody else because they're so smart up

[C]

in their ivory tower.

[B]

Whoa.

[C]

If you will. Yeah.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Oh, okay. That's a nice touch too. Let's. Let's assume that's the thought they're putting into this. That's what's happening with those photos. But then there were more photos, and I just wanted to call out. There's paparazzi photos, like aerial photos. Unfortunately, I haven't flown my drone over these sets yet. I need to get over there and do that. But there's aerial photos of the Hogwarts greenhouses, speaking of shrubbery. And I just wanted to say that the greenhouse, to me looks like it drew inspiration from the Hogwarts Legacy design.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

Of the. Was that your takeaway too? And I love that. I love the design of Hogwarts and the surrounding area in that video game. And if that's their new, like, design style for everything, I'm going to be pretty pleased by that. It is different from the Harry Potter movies in a more mature, mature way, I want to say.

[C]

Yeah, I totally agree. And I think also just feels more like Hogwarts. Like, I remember one of my people are probably gonna roll their eyes when I say this, but, like, one of my big critiques of the first two movies is that, you know, Hogwarts felt like Hogwarts, but the grounds didn't really feel like Hogwarts. It's like they're supposed to be in the Scottish Highlands and like, everything's flat and even and far too sunny, I felt. And it wasn't really until we started getting into the third movie and onward where it really felt like the terrain and the overall environment felt like Hogwarts. So I agree. I think the environment that was established in Hogwarts Legacy definitely knocked it out of the park. And I agree it feels like they're taking their cues from that for this set design.

[A]

Why would you not, though, that. That it. It's been built in such a really fantastic way by the team that put together Hogwarts Legacy that I think it would be a miss on their part not to leverage some of the design. And I'm trying to remember back to Chamber of Secrets. We do get an exterior shot of the greenhouses, I think, when they're first with the Mandrakes. But I'm also trying to think back to when I went to the studio tour and what it was like to walk through the greenhouses because that is one of the parts of the tour that you do get to go on as a visitor. But overall, I mean, in the movies, we don't really see them a whole lot. We see them again in Half Blood Prince with Slughorn, but that's only when he's trying to steal some venomous tentacula. So yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Well, that's this month in paparazzi photos. Now it's time for this month in. Oh, wow. This show is really going to give us more than the movies or even the books. Lox Pratt, who is playing Draco, says we'll be seeing Draco at his house in the first season, and that will be seeing the teachers in their, quote, little rooms. Quoting him more now. I think with this adaptation, you get to see so much more than the books. The books are very much over Harry's shoulder, which is great. And that's how they played the film as well. And I think the creators of this series have been audible about this in their interviews. There's just so much more that you get to see. You get to see all the teachers in their little rooms. You get to see Draco at home. I won't spoil too much about that, but there are some brilliant scenes at home where you start to get an insight into how he is in the films. Draco is sort of 2D. He is the sneery villain. I feel like there's so much more. You need to understand why. And you see little glints of it in the film with Lucius and stuff.

[C]

I love this. Oh, my God. Well, it just. It's gonna set the Draco arc up to be a lot more satisfying, I think, because he is right. In the. In the movies, Draco is pretty 2D until we get to Half Blood Prince. And all of a sudden he has this, like, deep emotional complexity that seems like it's come out of nowhere. So, yeah, this is really gonna help, I think, build on that to make it more believable for audiences.

[B]

And we talk often about how the show is going to give us way more than the movies, but we don't really. We haven't really considered that the show might give us more than even the books did. This is an example of how they're really going to be opening up the world. Right.

[A]

Because we don't see Malfoy Manor until Deathly Hallows.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

So this is an opportunity for us to go there and to see how Draco is being raised early on in his childhood. Presumably we're just going to see his father from the sound of it, but maybe we see Narcissa as well. This would also explain why they cast Lucius Malfoy early on.

[B]

So that's what Lax Pratt had to say. Meanwhile, Nick Frost, who is playing Hagrid, says he manifested getting the role of Hagrid by writing Hagrid 7,000 times while watching the movies. He said, quote, before I was cast as Hagrid, my partner suggested trying to manifest it. So last Christmas, I watched all the films back to back on the Sky. Harry Potter Channel. It's a UK channel that plays just the Harry Potter movies and nothing Else which I did not know existed.

[C]

I didn't know that existed.

[B]

Sounds pretty cool. So he was watching that while writing out the word Hagrid 7,000 times. So, you know, here's an example of maybe manifesting actually working. But more notably, he said he had been learning to knit because Hagrid does quote. Frost also revealed we'd see Hagrid knitting in the series and that he had recently taken lessons to learn how to knit. Hagrid does indeed knit in the first Harry Potter book, when he and Harry take the train to London. And the half giant is described as knitting what looked like a canary yellow circus tent to pass the time. Pretty cool. I mean, this is just another example of how they're really focusing on the little things.

[C]

Yeah. Well. And I just. I want to call out, I think the numerical significance here. Seven thousand. Like seven wasn't enough. It was, we gotta do times a thousand. Really double down on that. That magic number seven.

[B]

At what point does hand start to cramp? I want to know, because that sounds very tedious.

[A]

That's a lot. But I do love the fact that Nick Frost is willing to go the extra mile here and step into the character a little bit more.

[B]

Yeah. And actually learn to knit. I want to share one more quote from him. When that initial official photo came out of him as Hagrid, a lot of people were saying he looks just like Robbie Coltrane's Hagrid. Which is true. And there was debate at that time around, well, why are they redoing the series if all the characters are even going to look exactly the same? Nick Frost wasn't asked about that debate in particular, but he did say, quote, while I'm really aware of what went before me in terms of Robbie Coltrane's amazing performance, I'm never going to try and be Robbie. I'm going to try and do something not different. I think you're going to have to be respectful to the subject matter, but within that, there's scope for minutiae. So he's aware that people don't just want a clone of Robbie Coltrane, and that's good.

[A]

I think I was probably one of those people who commented that about how he looked so much like Robbie Coltrane as Hagrid. But there's also the reality that I think they adapted Hagrid very well in the movies. And so there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, I'm sure there's going to be things as we see here with his knitting, that he's going to bring to the table that Robbie just didn't.

[B]

And the knitting will be unbelievable, unlike any knitting Robbie Coltrane ever did. Next up, listeners know that we've had a long running segment on the show called Max that we're rereading the Harry Potter books right now. And when we get to a moment that we see and enjoy in the books, we say max that because we want to see it finally adapted. So we're going to kind of expand this segment in these monthly Harry Potter TV show focused episodes and look at maybe an idea, abstract or not, that the movies or the books did not include, but that you would like to see more of in the show. I want to start by talking about vampires. They're in the books, but they're not in the movies. I mentioned this on Mugglecast a couple of weeks ago. They actually get mentioned 26 times across the Harry Potter books. I brought up the digital Complete Edition sets and I typed in vampire and it came up 26 times. Like, you know, they come up during mentions of Lockhart's voyages with vampires book in which is in Chamber of Secrets. And there is a vampire essay that the kids have to do for Lupin in Prisoner of Azkaban. But we don't get much lure in the books. They were seemingly scrapped from the movies. They get as many appearances as peeves. But I want to consider this idea for the TV show because I think it would open up this wider world of wizarding folklore and it could also create this allegory for minority oppression. And while doing some research today, Rowling actually did some writing about vampires in a four part Daily Prophet newsletter series that was sent to members of the official Harry Potter fan club in the UK between the years 1998 and 1999. I never knew this existed. She was writing stuff for her fan club. Pretty cool. So she wrote about a society for the tolerance of vampires. And you can assume based on that name that it must have campaigned for greater acceptance of vampires and their culture in the magical world. The wizarding world also said guidelines to prevent exterminating vampires outright. And as I mentioned, vampires were studied in the Harry Potter series a few years. For a few years. What do you two think? Vampires in the Harry Potter TV show. Would you like to see them?

[C]

Yeah, I think so. I think like you said, it only serves to deepen and like expand the lore and the world. I don't know necessarily that they would have a whole storyline built out around them. I mean they could. That would be interesting. But for the 26 times they get mentioned in the books, there's no meaningful representation of a vampire character. The only one we really get to see from Harry's POV is Sanguini. Right. In book six. And that's like a passing moment where he's low key, drifting towards all the teenage girls in the room, which is, like, definitely very Bram Stoker, if you're thinking about that particular portrayal of vampires. So I think it could be interesting to see, like, more about how do vampires in this world work. Right. Because it seems like in the books, the very little we've seen seems like it's a pretty traditional vampire portrayal. So it'd be interesting to see if they want to go down that path. I don't expect them to try and make the vampires sparkle or anything like that.

[B]

You don't want them Twilight style?

[C]

No, I don't think so.

[A]

Stephenie Meyer was a big Harry Potter fan, wasn't she?

[B]

I think so.

[A]

She was on mugglecast at one point. Oh, God, I forgot about that.

[C]

Yeah. She didn't want to be on our Twilight podcast, but she wanted to be on our Harry Potter podcast.

[A]

She wanted to go where the numbers were.

[C]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

She wanted to reach out to Harry Potter fans who aren't familiar with Twilight.

[A]

There you go.

[C]

That's the PR answer.

[B]

Oh, Mev is bringing up that Harry kind of knows Edward too, since Robert Pattinson played Edward and Cedric.

[A]

I like this. This was a part of the world that was never really fully explored. I think looking at that piece that you said that she shared with the official Harry Potter fan club, it gave me a lot of vibes about werewolves, which I think is the direction she ultimately maybe went with this. I'm just thinking about Lupin and his character and how werewolves are this, you know, maligned group of individuals. And then the Society for the Tolerance of Vampires gives me spew vibes. So I'm wondering if she took some of these elements and applied them to other groups within the Harry Potter community. I know there was that theory for a long time running that Snape was a vampire. I think he's referred to as vampire, like, early on in the series.

[B]

I think so.

[A]

Yeah. So it'd be cool to have a few more pop up.

[B]

Why not? Yeah. I think it would add a horror aspect to the series, which I think a lot of people would appreciate. That's a very popular genre. And also, I'm being a little selfish here, because, you know, we alluded to this a couple minutes ago, Laura and I, we used to run a Twilight fan site and podcast Vampires for a good 10, 15 years were hot.

[A]

Well, that's what I was going to ask you. Do the vampires in the Harry Potter series have to be hot?

[B]

No, no, no, they don't have to.

[C]

I mean, the Dursleys are hot, so why not?

[A]

What if the Dursleys are hot vampires? What a twist that would be.

[B]

I think vampires are just inherently hot. But that's a discussion for another day. So I, I just. I just. You know, vampires have a soft spot in my heart because I love True Blood, I love Twilight, I'd love to see them make a bit of a comeback through the Harry Potter series.

[C]

Yeah, I think vampires would love to make a soft spot in your heart too. So it works out really well.

[B]

All right, well, listeners, let us know what you think. Vampires in the Harry Potter TV series, let us know. So I have a bit of a mini game for everybody now. Was this line in the Sorcerer's Stone book and movie? So this is going to be a challenge where you just have to answer if this line appeared in both. And we're looking for exact matches here with a loyal adaptation being so important for the show and for fans. Let's see what did or didn't make it into the movie and obviously should now make it into the show. So, first one, this is from Ron. Woo made it. Can you imagine the look on old McGonagall's face if we were late? Was this in the book and movie?

[A]

It feels like it's. Go ahead, Laura.

[C]

I feel like it was in the movie.

[A]

It was because she turns into the cat right after. Or, sorry, she turns from the cat into Professor McGonagall after he says this in the movie, if I'm remembering correctly. But I don't know if it was in the book.

[C]

Yeah, I can't remember.

[B]

So do you want to say just movie, then?

[C]

Yeah, I'll go with just movie.

[A]

Yeah, same.

[B]

That is correct. Yeah, just in the movie. But I included this one because I thought this was a really fun scene in the movie.

[C]

It was.

[B]

All right. Next one from Dumbledore. It does not do to dwell on dreams and forget to live. Was this in the book and movie? Yes, yes, yes, that is correct in the book and movie. It better be in the show. The mirror of Erised scene.

[C]

Of course, that's a pretty iconic moment. I think it'll be in the show.

[B]

All right. And lastly, this one from Snape. I can teach you how to bottle fame, brew glory, even stop her death, if you aren't as big a bunch Of Dunderheads, as I usually have to teach.

[A]

So he does say this in the book. Book. I think it gets cut in the movie where he just says the first part of it.

[C]

I think you're right.

[A]

I don't think he says Dunderheads in the movie.

[B]

That's exactly right. That's exactly right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The first half is in the book, but first half is in the movie but not the book. Yeah, but I say bring back Dunderheads. Bring back that little insult. All right, well, that's how we play Was this line in Sorcerer's Stone, the book and movie. Now it's time for a recurring segment on Mugglecast episodes. The links line. This is like a place your bets edition. So who will be the first character to appear on screen in the Harry Potter TV show? Appear on screen. Not the first character you hear. Because you know it's possible they'll just have some sort of voiceover. So who will be the first to appear? We asked our Muggle cast patrons to place their bets. Jen said, I'm thinking Voldemort, hidden under a cloak, sneaking into the Potter's house. We will get the James and Lily scenes without ever seeing his face. Then bang. We get the reveal of who is playing Voldy. Right as his spell rebounds off Baby Harry.

[C]

Oh, that would be hype.

[A]

Yeah, I like that. Rachel, Kyle, Julianne and Glow all think it's going to be Hot Vernon. Not like in the books, just Vernon. Hot Vernon. Is this like sweaty dripping because it's Summertime Vernon or. No, this is like Glow up Vernon.

[C]

I think it's aesthetically pleasing. Glow up Vernon. Darren says, I think it'll be Snape. We will have a small flashback of him telling Voldemort about the prophecy. And we also got others sending in similar versions of this answer. A couple of people thought we'd see Trelawney saying the prophecy in front of Dumbledore. Honestly, this is kind of what I hope it is.

[B]

Me too. I want them to do something different than what we got in the movies. And now the movies don't open up with Hot Vernon. But I just think they need to give us something really good and unique from the outset to say, welcome to the TV show. We're gonna do things different than the movies. This is why you are going to watch because we're doing things different.

[A]

Totally. That's been my kind of long standing prediction about the opening of the show is that I want it to be the prophecy. I want it to be Snape overhearing Trelawney and Dumbledore inside the Hogshead. Maybe the first person we see is Aberforth just shining a glass down in the Hogshead.

[B]

Sure, sure. That would be random.

[A]

That would be too random.

[B]

But you would love a Micah, and that's what really matters. And I think Everforth fan, and I

[A]

think here's the thing, right, you can make it such that you don't reveal that it's Snape, because I understand it's early in the series and you don't want that piece of information maybe getting out to people who are watching the show who don't know the story. So you can just keep them as this cloaked hooded individual that's listening at the door.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

Well, carrying on here, Amanda said, wild theory, but what if we start from Voldemort's perspective? I don't think we have a Voldemort cast yet, but that's fine because who we really see first is Snape begging Voldemort to spare Lily.

[A]

I think we do, don't we? Didn't. There's a rumor. Let it slip.

[C]

Yeah, I think that's still a rumor.

[B]

My theory is that he saw that rumor online and took it to be fact. But maybe I'm wrong.

[A]

Maybe we'll see. Megan said, I think it'll be James, Lily and Harry right before Voldemort shows up. Imagine we're shown them as a super happy and loving family and then bam, suddenly that's ripped away and we're all left devastated.

[B]

Oh, man, that's a dark opening, but it's possible.

[C]

Well, for a lighter suggestion, Eleanor rounds us out by saying, I'm going with Dumbledore. And if not Dumbledore, then it'll be Harry. I can see them starting with Vernon. To see them starting with Vernon and the Muggle world, that'll be a flashback. They'll start with Dumbledore at Privet Drive, or Dumbledore and Flamel with the Philosopher's Stone. Or they'll go back to all Hallows Eve 1981 and establish Harry as a baby with his parents.

[A]

Oh, all right.

[B]

Well, thanks to everybody who participated. There are more answers on our Patreon. Submitted by supporters. Patreon.com mugglecast is where you can support us. So that is our TV show coverage for today. But coming coming up on future TV focused episodes. And remember, we're going to be releasing these once a month. We'll be doing topics and segments like Will the Cursed child canon be worked into the TV show? Will Pottermore content be worked in changes the movies made to the books that the show must keep in what our biggest fears about the show are more of the segments we ran through today, major breaking news coverage as it happens. Of course, we'll be all over the first trailer and you know, any other major first looks that we get and more of what you heard on today's episode. In the meantime, give us your feedback about today's episode. Let us know what you'd like us to discuss as it pertains to the TV show and we might incorporate it in the future. You can email mugglecastmail.com, you can also send a voice memo to that same email address. You can also reach out via Spotify or YouTube or via social media. Slide into our DMs and next week we will return to chapter by chapter. You can visit mugglecast.com for links to our social media, our Patreon, our transcripts, our favorite episodes and lots more. And that's it. We're expecting the TV show to premiere in early 2027 and we'll be with you in the lead up and during and after.

[A]

So when do we think we will get our first trailer?

[C]

Ooh, I mean fall.

[B]

Fall.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Back to Hogwarts.

[C]

Back to Hogwarts season.

[A]

I like that.

[B]

September 1st makes sense.

[C]

That would be really cool.

[B]

Only four. That'll be about four or five months away from the show premiere. I don't know, maybe that is too early. I don't know.

[C]

They could do a teaser where it's like they're not really showing much of anything.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And then we get a full trailer in November.

[B]

Yeah. At least some photos.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Barry says Halloween. That's another good option.

[B]

Well, we will just have to wait and see. Thanks everybody for listening. I'm Andrew.

[A]

I'm Micah.

[C]

And I'm Laura.

[B]

See y' all next week.

[C]

Bye Bye.

[A]

Sam.