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Murder, Mystery & Makeup
A "freak accident" or pure evil?? Unraveling the death of Phoebe Handsjuk
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Bailey Sarian
How are you today? My name is Bailey Sarian and today is Monday, which means it's murder mystery and makeup Monday. Okay? Hi. If you are new here. Hi again, my name is Bailey Sarian and on Mondays I sit down, I talk about a true crime story that's been heavy on my noggin. And I do my makeup at the same time, you know, to keep my hands busy. If you're interested in true crime and you like makeup, I would say subscribe. So today's story is definitely one that's been heavy on my noggin because I mean, geez, this story is so weird. So weird.
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General Audience Reaction
Oh my God.
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Bailey Sarian
Has kept me up so many nights because it's like you're trying to piece it all together to make it make sense. And none of it makes sense. So if you're ever curious to know what I'm using, I'll list it in the description box down below. But other than that, I will shut up and tell you about today's story. So takes place. Destination December 2, 2010 in the heart of Melbourne, Australia. So the story takes place at the Balencia Apartments. You know, they stand tall. They're a luxury high rise that promises like safety and sophistication. But something, something unthinkable happens. Phoebe Hanjuck, a 24 year old woman is found dead at the bottom of a garbage shoot. Yes, you heard that right, a garbage chute. Now it appeared she had fallen through the garbage disposal chute from the 12th floor where Phoebe had shared an apartment with her boyfriend. I know already weird. Though the police had ruled her death as a suicide and the coroner had determined her death was a freak accident. Many, many, many, many did not accept this as her cause of death. No. So let's not get ahead of ourselves. Let's rewind and get to know Phoebe a little bit. Phoebe sounded like a wonderful person. She was born May 9, 1986 in Melbourne, Australia, to her mother, Natalie, and her father, Len. Len was a psychiatrist and he had for a long time. He had been a psychiatrist for like 40 years now. She had two younger brothers named Nikolai and Tom. Yes. And the family lived in Richmond, which was like a suburb of Melbourne now. Growing up, it was said that Phoebe was known to be a free spirit, a wild child. She had a really active imagination. She loved being active herself, like going outside in nature or going to the ocean. She was also an avid climber and a martial artist. I know she's doing a lot. On top of all of this. She was artistically gifted and very creative in school. She was very popular. She loved socializing. She liked being around her peers and people just overall really seemed to like her. She played on, like a basketball team with some of her friends and she was very competitive. She was really good too. She would, like, zip from one side of the court to the other and, like, she was unstoppable on the court. It was also said that Phoebe was quite cheeky and playful and she had, like, a really funny sense of humor. But on the other hand, she could be extremely sensitive, compassionate, and also quick tempered. Phoebe was known to, like, feel things pretty deeply. I was trying to think, like, what do you call that? I think an empath. Right? I think she would, like, feel deeply. Okay. And I think a lot of the times when you are a person like that who just feels a lot, it can lead to depression, you know. So Phoebe, she really struggled with that too. It just seemed like Phoebe had a lot of emotions, as we all do, but, you know, she felt a lot. Well, when Phoebe became a teenager, things got a little funky, as they do with, like, you know, a lot of teenagers. They go through that phase. She started experimenting with drugs and alcohol at 15 and, you know, to her parents, it was very troubling. She was acting out. It wasn't good. At one point, I guess she had, like, run away from home and she went to go live with this guy, Unsure how they met and stuff, so it doesn't matter. But she went to go live with this guy. He was like an ex convict and he was living with his kid, and she went to go live with him for like eight weeks. Teenagers, again, not sure. How she met this guy, but, like, that happened, I guess eventually Phoebe had. She came home and then she got onto some antidepressants in hopes just to get her back on track and whatnot. And she did. She, like, she seemed to get back on track. But then not long after, she met another guy. This guy was like twice her age and worked as a teacher. And I guess they started dating for a while. But still, regardless, I mean, she was very protective of her family. She loved her brothers, and she had a very special and close relationship with her grandmother. And I guess, like, she would confide in her grandmother pretty often. Well, despite, like, these rocky years, Phoebe, you know, she still had, like, bigger plans for her future goals in life. Like, one of her goals was to travel and go to India and, like, do aid work. So life carried on, you know. And Phoebe, when she was 23 years old, she got a job working as a receptionist and at Linley Godfrey Hair Salon in South Yarra. While she was there, she was working there, you know, and like, that's where she met 39 year old Anthony Hampel. Everyone called him Ant for short. So I'm gonna call him Ant. He worked as, like an events promoter and he worked with, like, a lot of celebrity clientele, people who had money, you know what I'm saying? He could, like. Well, he would come into the hair salon and get his hair done, and that's how he met Phoebe. Many people said or thought that Ant was quite handsome. And he had come from, like, a really good family. His dad was a Supreme Court judge. Oh, yes. His name was George Hampel. And his stepmom was a county court judge. Ugh. Not good. But we'll get into it. Anyways, she was named Felicity Hampel. Well, Phoebe and Ant, they, you know, they meet each other, they hit it off, and they decide to start dating. And the two of them end up dating for like five months. And then they decide to move in together. Phoebe moves into his place, his apartment, it's on St. Gilda Road. And they move in together in October of 2009. So again, this was in that, like, luxury apartment. It was on the 12th floor luxury apartment building called Valencia. It's a nice apartment building. Big windows, beautiful views, lots of fancy amenities. It was ma nay. So just like this, like, on the surface, seemed like this glamorous, cute couple. It's like beauty and business, just living this fancy life. But you and I both know that it's never like that, is it? Huh? Appearances are always deceiving. So it was Said that especially during this time. But Phoebe had an on again, off again relationship with alcohol. And at this time, she was drinking a lot. I guess Ant and Phoebe had a pretty rocky relationship. They would break up, they would get back together, break up, repeat, you know, she started seeing a psychiatrist or she was seeing a psychiatrist. But Phoebe would tell her psychiatrist lots of things about her relationship with Anthony, like that he was verbally abusive, that he was aggressive, and mainly that she was upset in the relationship. It was said that her psychiatrist. Her psychiatrist later, like, kind of testified or whatever, but she said that, like, she was working with Phoebe to like, get out of this relationship or help her see that she needed to get out of this relationship. Like, it wasn't good for her. But Phoebe would always end up kind of going back. Phoebe had left Ant like four different times in the six weeks before her death. And Phoebe's boss at the hair salon said that Ant always managed to lure Phoebe back in one of those, you know. Unfortunately, Phoebe's fourth return to Ant would be her last.
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Bailey Sarian
So December 1, 2010. This was the day before her death. Phoebe had sent a really strange text message to her brothers, her parents, and her grandmother. Oh, and her boss. And the text message said, quote, hi, family, I'm in bed and about to sleep, and when I wake, I will transform into the most incredible human being you you've ever seen. Not I will go to hospital. It's safer there. And I hear the special tonight is tomato soup. Delicious, nutritious, nutritious, nutritious, nutritious. There we go. I love you all very much. But not enough to send an individual text. Sorry about that, but time asleep and I must be on my way. Merrily, merrily, merrily Life is but a dream exo. I know. If you got that text message, what would you do? I'd be like, k send. I don't know. You know, I don't know what I would say to that. But obviously it was concerning, right? Phoebe's mother, Natalie, she received the text message, like, as she was boarding onto an airplane. So she knew she wasn't gonna get a response. So she reaches out to, like, her mom, who is Phoebe's grandma? And she asked her, Jeanette is her name. Phoebe's grandma's name is Jeanette. So she asked Jeanette, like, hey, can you, can you check on Phoebe? Because she kind of lived close by. Well, Jeanette tried to call Phoebe. No answer. So she calls aunt. No answer. So the next day on December 2, at like 10:35 in the morning, Jeanette, Phoebe's grandma, she reaches out again to see if she can get an answer right? But this time she's able to reach aunt. And the first thing she asked aunt was like, is Phoebe okay? And I guess ant was confused a little bit because he didn't know about Phoebe's bizarre text message. Allegedly. We don't know. He told Jeanette that he had left Phoebe sleeping peacefully that morning, but that he would swing by the apartment and, like, check on her since his office wasn't that far. So on this day, Phoebe Was, you know, just back at the apartment at 11:44am There was CCTV footage of her leaving the apartment because there was a fire alarm. Like, I guess the fire alarm inside the building had accidentally been set off, so everyone had to get out. So you can see Phoebe on camera leaving with her dog. And then she takes him for a little walk. And then it's not even that long. She's caught back on camera returning to the apartment complex, and then she goes to the 12th floor residence. Now, nobody knows what happened in the hours that followed. It's very bizarre. What we do know for sure is that Phoebe was drinking heavily. And that sounds kind of douchey to say, but, like, she was. She had a lot of alcohol in her system. So at some point, Phoebe had left her apartment before 7:00pm because she leaves the apartment and she, like, somehow plunged to down the garbage chute. It's so weird. The garbage chute was, like, right outside the apartment, you know, on the wall. You know, you go to it, you open it, and then you drop garbage into it. I hope you know what I'm talking about. You know what I'm talking about. It's like with that thing that you open up when you drop off mail. Trying to explain this, I. I think you get it, but sure. But it's pretty small. Like, it measured just 14.5 by 8.6 inches. So not huge. But somehow she got in there and she fell nearly 40 meters, or 131ft down from the 12th floor. She gets in there and falls. Now, she survived the fall and I guess she was in the garbage room place. She was, like, desperately trying to get out. She's trying to get out the garbage bin that she fell in because she fell feet forward first. The garbage compactor at the bottom of the bin had essentially severed her right foot. Oi. I know. Sadly, Phoebe bled out in the dark alone. And when she was found, her jeans were below her knees, kind of closer to her ankles. They were undone at the waist. And her belt was only threaded through the first two of, like, five belt loops. So just a very odd, weird what happened, kind of seen. Okay, so let me tell you the days leading up to Phoebe's death. So things leading up to her death, I mean, they seemed really off. That Monday morning, Phoebe had an appointment with her psychologist, who would later say that her mood was, like, very low. She seemed to be distressed regarding her relationship. And on that same Monday night, Phoebe and Ant, I guess, had gone out with some friends to get dinner. But Things didn't go so well. It was said that Phoebe was just like, trying to open up and have a conversation with her friend. You know, fucking talk. And when she spoke, Ant kept, like, shutting her down, preventing her from sharing her thoughts or emotions, anything. The friends from dinner that night said that their evening had ended abruptly. Phoebe and Ant had left. Things were kind of tense, I guess. But when Phoebe and Ant had left, they drove back to the apartment and then they got into like a heated argument in the car park. It was said that Phoebe had, like, left the car park in tears. Then she called up an old party friend asking if they would meet with her for a drink at a bar nearby. So this friend agrees. I guess they go to like a bar, whatever, they have a few drinks and they stay for like about an hour. The friend had noted that her phone was ringing non stop call after call, call after call. And then later phone records revealed that Phoebe had missed 27 missed calls from Ant during that hour. She was at the bar. Mm. The friend from the dinner said, like, the non stop calls from Ant had made her, like, really upset, obviously, you know, so when they were leaving the bar, I guess Phoebe was so annoyed that she like just threw her phone across the street and it broke. It was said that Phoebe had two phones. She had the iPhone, which she threw, whatever, and the iPhone, it technically belonged to Ant. Like, it was his phone, but she was using it. I guess it's like a girlfriend perk. Like, you can have my old phone. Like, that was kind of the vibe I was getting. And then she had her old Nokia phone. I think that was like her main phone, whatever. But her Nokia phone has actually never been found. No one knows where that went. It was said that Phoebe didn't return to the apartment that night. She was really angry, you know, which is probably for the better. She ended up driving out to her mom's house. Her mom was out of town, but she hung out with her mom's partner and stayed up talking just about her crappy relationship, how unhappy she was then. Based off of phone records, Phoebe had returned to her apartment by Tuesday morning after Ant had left for work. So Phoebe must have been feeling some type of way the next morning, because on Tuesday she had made a couple of phone calls to a crisis line at Alfred Hospital. Then she called her psychiatrist. Her psychiatrist later testified that Phoebe told her on the phone that she was extremely distressed about her relationship issues, that she was drinking heavily and that she felt unsafe. This is what the psychiatrist said. And I was like, damn, like shouldn't the psychiatrist have helped a little bit more? I guess, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I'm expecting too much. Just feels like if a client of yours says, like, I don't feel safe, that would be a red flag. But I don't know, it doesn't matter. So she makes these phone calls. I guess nothing really comes of it. Then before 4pm, Phoebe sent out a text to her grandmother Jeanette, telling her that she would call her the next day. In a later interview, Ant said that he. When he got home Tuesday, he had taken Phoebe's iPhone and took it to like a repair shop that was close by because she had broken it from throwing it. But that's why she wasn't returning anyone's phone calls and stuff. That's what he said. So December 2nd, in the morning, it was like 8:30, 9:00. Aunt had left the apartment for work. This is the day she passed away. This day she had plans to have dinner with her father. It was his birthday like a couple days ago and she wanted to have dinner with him and they were gonna meet up at some restaurant and have dinner together. It was noted that around 8:45 in the morning she had sent out an email and used the computer inside the apartment a couple of times. And then again at 11:43 in the morning, that's when the fire alarm went off. So she had left the building. You know, she had returned to the building at like 11:50. And once returning, she went back to the 12th floor apartment again. She used the computer and they were able to like track like computer movement and stuff. Then between the hours of 12pm to 7pm Again, nobody knows what the hell was going on. It's very unclear. Aunt had come home to the apartment at 6pm he was driving a Range Rover. He pulled it into the building's basement garage. Anthon took the elevator and like let himself into the apartment. Now when he gets to the apartment, he couldn't remember if the front door was locked when he arrived or unlocked. But what he did remember was walking into the apartment and his dog Yoshi greeted him. But then he looks around and he notices that the apartment was just aha, mess. There were shards of broken glass on the floor. He said it smelled like incense. Either were burning or like were just. Had just been burning. The living room pillows were ripped. There were two wine glasses on the table. What was most concerning was that there was blood spattered across the keyboard and computer. What then? He said he peeked into the bathroom and that's when he saw that on the floor was Phoebe's hair straightener and it was still plugged in. I know if the hair straightener is plugged in and it's on the ground, you know, something went down. So on the kitchen counter was Phoebe's purse, wallet and her keys, but Phoebe was nowhere to be found. Now, according to Ant, everything is according to Ant. There were several like post it notes with strange scribbles all over the kitchen counter. He knew that this stuff was the post. Its were new because the house cleaner had combined like cleaned everything the day before. So they were recent. Ant said he went into the bedroom and he found what he called a shrine on the bed. I don't know if I believe him on this one. There's no pics, but sure, he said there was a shrine. He said that on the bed there was like a photo of himself and Phoebe and a photo of her cat and what he later described as rambled notes. The notes she writes when she's smashed, they don't make a lot of sense. That's what he said. So the apartment was concerning and Phoebe was gone. But Ant, he carried on with his night like everything was normal. Listen, he got some beer, he made a couple phone calls to like friends and co workers and then he ordered some food delivery, you know, which is so weird, right? Like, even if everything was totally fine, let's say nothing bad even happened. When you get home, wouldn't like the first thing you do if you see broken glass on the floor, you would clean up the broken glass, right? You got a dog, your dog might walk in it, spread it around everywhere. It's gonna get in your feet. Oh, that's the worst. When you get some glass in your foot. He didn't. He just like leaved everything as is and went on with his night. I think it was intentional, but I don't know. Then at 6:51pm it was like 40 minutes had gone by, okay, since Ant had come home. So Phoebe's father is calling Phoebe's iPhone. Len and Ant have different memories as to what happened next. So according to Len, Phoebe's father, Ant answered his call on Phoebe's iPhone. Len said that he was calling Phoebe's phone to let her know that he was running late for dinner. But it went to voicemail within 1 minute of her dad's call. Ant, for the first time ever, called Phoebe's dad. So Ant tells Len that Phoebe's phone was not in the apartment, but he just so happened to call her dad. The same minute he called her. Does that make sense? Ant said, like, it was just, like, an odd coincidence. It's a weird one, though. So on the other hand, Ant said that he called Len from his own phone a minute later because he thought Phoebe might have gone to meet Len. And that he didn't know was a minute later because he didn't have the phone. It was just a weird coincidence. That's crazy. Wow, the universe is so weird, right? Everyone, regardless of who called who, when the both of them talked on the phone, Len had explained that he was trying to call Phoebe because, you know, they made plans to have dinner to celebrate his birthday. And they were supposed to meet at one of Phoebe's favorite restaurants. It's called the Golden Triangle. And Len was calling to say again that he was running late, but Ant told Len over the phone, she's not here. And then he goes on to say, her bag and her keys are here. So, like, she can't be too far away. So Len was worried when Ant said Phoebe wasn't in the apartment. And Len tells Ant that maybe he should report her missing. And Ant again on the phone, he's like, mm. He tells Len, no, I'm not gonna report her missing. Like, it's not necessary. They don't listen until 48 hours have passed and she'll be back by then. Everyone seems to always believe. I don't even know if that's true anymore. The 48 hours thing anyways. But he was like, no, no, it's fine. Meanwhile, between 7:04 and 7:11pm A concierge at the Valencia Apartments, downstairs, main lobby, were there. Concierge was like, I need a broom. They gotta do some cleaning duties, okay? So they go looking for a broom, and they try to open the door. The door that's gonna lead them to the broom. And the store was stuck, right? Stuck, not moving. So then after a couple attempts to open the door, that's when this person comes across. Phoebe lying in a pool of her own blood besides the garbage bin. Oh, horrible. Could you imagine? No, I was gonna say could. Could you imagine? No, I couldn't imagine. That'd be awful.
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General Audience Reaction
I'm going out of town, which means it's time to pack. And let's be honest, you know, my old t shirt from 2005. And, like, my jeans and stuff are the most comfortable, but sometimes I have to dress to impress people.
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Bailey Sarian
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Bailey Sarian
I hate shopping.
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Bailey Sarian
Obviously, the first thing they did was dial 000, which is equivalent to 911. 000 makes way more sense. It's easy. It's right there. 000. I don't know why they make us do 911. Like, it's not. 000 makes more sense. Thank you. So the police end up showing up, and they were given the keys to the garbage room, where, again, it appears Phoebe had just plummeted 40 meters to the ground floor. She must have, like, landed in the garbage compactor, leaving her with several injuries and almost a severed foot. They came to the conclusion that, like Phoebe, when she landed, she was still alive because around the garbage bins there were blood smears where she must have, like, gotten her strength to get up and, like, crawl out of the bin. And then she was bleeding to death while she struggled to find the exit. Poor thing. So sad. So an ambulance was called at 7:20pm which was, like, 20 minutes after Phoebe was initially found. So the paramedics arrived. It's like seven minutes later. And the presence just seemed to add, like, chaos in this relatively small foyer and the corridor area that led to the garbage room. So one of the paramedics her name was Christy and she was told by police that the room was a crime scene and she was not, like allowed to enter the area. Now this went against, like, all of Kristy's training and instincts, but still, like, there was nothing she could do. I mean, the police were in charge and they wouldn't let her enter. Christy wasn't happy about being prevented from trying to help. And it was said like, well, she later said she lost a lot of sleep over it and that there were like no reports that anyone laid hands on Phoebe to see if she was still warm or to check, like if she was actually dead, which is fucked up. But the room was considered a crime scene, so police didn't allow anyone in until the crime scene specialist arrived, which was like hours later. So not long after, one of the managers of the apartments shows up. His name was Eric. So it's Eric Guy, he goes up to police and he's like, hey, you know, we have CCTV footage. You know, maybe you guys want to get that or I can give that to you. And it would help with like the situation. Eric also told the officers that they would have to act quickly because the camera footage operated on a two day loop, meaning that it would record over previous footage every two days. So Eric said in an interview, quote, I suggested to the police that if they needed any CCTV they should start downloading. He also said, quote, they didn't really respond to me suggesting this. Thank you, Eric. So the cameras kept running. Police told Eric, like, we'll let you know if we need the footage. We'll call you pretty much. So then two days go by and of course the police are like, hey, can we get that CCTV footage? It's not funny, it's just stupid. Right? Yeah. Obviously the tapes had filmed over. Some of them had at this point. So they were able to get like three or four of the camera footage from like the 16 cameras. Yeah. The rest had been filmed over with like new footage. Meanwhile, all this is going on downstairs. Ant was just completely unaware, living in his own little world, you know. So again, he ordered some takeout. He actually ordered takeout from the Golden Triangle, which was like the restaurant Phoebe and her dad were supposed to go to that evening. Don't you think that's a little weird? I thought that was a little weird. Like, why wouldn't he just go with them? Or was he trying to make it seem like he did go with them? I don't know, I might be overthinking it. I just thought that was Weird. So he ordered delivery just for himself. And the food arrived just after, like, 8pm the food was delivered to his apartment. Knock, knock, knock. Your food's here. So Ant answers his door, and the food delivery man asked Ant, like, hey, what's going on here? And Ant was like, what are you talking about? Like, what do you mean, what's going on? And then delivery man was like, out front. Like, the front of the building is swarming with cops. There are police cars, ambulance. Like, I had to prop my bike up on the street. And then he left. It was like, I hope your food isn't cold. So Ant takes the food, he brings it inside, he puts it down, he heads downstairs where he sees a bunch of police officers and stuff. And he goes up to one of the detectives and he's like, what's going on? So this is when the senior sergeant told Ant that a woman's body had been found in the trash compactor room. Apparently, Ant had followed that with, oh, no, my girlfriend is missing. Could it be her? My acting kind of sucks. Oh, no. So Ant, like, starts to ramble. I think he's in a panic, you know, because his girlfriend is missing. But he tells the sergeant, like, oh, my girlfriend's been missing all day. I've been at work. I was trying to call her every couple hours. I got no response. He also tells the sergeant, like, she's suffering from depression and taking medication and that she wasn't home when I got home. I tried calling her. No answer. Sometimes she disappears. Like, I don't know, maybe she'll turn up. Just list of things, like, okay. He even tells the sergeant about the post it notes. He's like, yeah. And then she left some post it notes. I have no idea, like, where she went. Anthony goes back up to the apartment to grab, like, a recent photo of Phoebe so, you know, they could ID her. So when Ant shows the image to the sergeant, that's when they confirm, like, we think this is Phoebe. So the sergeant and another detective, they go up to Ant and Phoebe's apartment to examine the area and the surrounding area. This is where the police completely flopped. The detectives noted that there were. There were several interesting factors. There was some broken glass and some blood on the floor. The post it notes were strange, allegedly left by Phoebe. And it was also strange that the dog was in the process of ripping up another cushion. They were, like, noted. The two detectives also searched the entire 12th floor and found blood on the floor of the refuse room where the garbage chute was, like, located. They also found A mixture of DNA from at least like two people was in the blood stains on the inside door of the ground floor Refused room. So they find all this, like, blood and stuff and like, I don't know, they didn't test any of it. I don't know, none of it. So again, they also found blood around the apartment itself, like, near the computer. Now, the police, they took some photos, but for some reason, they didn't take pictures of everything. They took, like three photos, it seemed like. Also, they didn't test for DNA on that blood either. Police didn't take any of Phoebe's or Ant's devices. None of the laptops or cell phones were examined. There were also large shoe prints that were leading away from the apartment. That was noted, pointed out, but no photos and no samples were taken. Okay. I mean, it could have been hers, but, like, based off what I was reading, didn't seem like it was hers. It seemed like they were, like, questionable shoe prints. So again, it was noted that there were two glasses on the kitchen counter area. One appeared to have wine in it. The other one looked like it was kind of empty, but there were two glasses. So a lot of people think there were two people. Honestly, when looking at the glasses, I was thinking one kind of looked like it would have hard liquor in it and the other one was like a chaser. That's what kind of reminded me of. But like, either way, none of the glasses were taken for, like, fingerprints or DNA. There was one person at the scene who said, like, inside the apartment on, like, a wall that was kind of near the kitchen, there was a large smudge on it. And it was said to be like a dark substance. But again, no photos or samples taken. It kind of sounded like this dark substance was like, I'm jumping to conclusions here. But like, like, if when your skin comes in contact with the wall and it leaves behind like that, it kind of gets it greasy and dirty looking. Just me. All right, but that's kind of like what it sounded like, you know, like someone had smudged up against it, but they didn't get a photo. So like I said, many people believe, like, police really botched this investigation. And I'm sure you can agree, I think they did optimize your nutrition this.
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Bailey Sarian
The time came, Anthony or aunt, he told the detectives that he was too upset to view Phoebe's body and ID her. So it was her parents ended up doing it. But once he was alone, he called up his mom, her name was Suzanne Owen. And his stepfather, his name is Robert, he calls them up first. He then calls Phoebe's father Len to tell him that Phoebe had, had died. Then Len told like, the rest of the family passed on the bad news. So I guess when Phoebe's grandmother was called, like the first thing she said when she picked up the phone was like, is she okay? You know, wondering about Phoebe. Cause like I said earlier, Jeanette was super, super close to her granddaughter Phoebe. Phoebe, and like probably not the whole family. It sounded like Phoebe and her grandma had a super close relationship and was one of like her closest confidants. And in the days leading up to Phoebe's passing, I guess Phoebe had actually gone and like visited her grandma and she told her that she was going to leave her boyfriend, aunt. And her grandma told her, gave her some advice and was like, you should go back to the apartment and like tell him that it's over face to face, you know, and make sure like you end on good terms. That's what her grandma says to her. And like in interviews now, like to this day, her grandma, I think we understand why regrets ever saying that. Jeanette, she ended up showing, you know, Phoebe's grandma, she ended up showing texts that she got from Ant from that morning. The morning of Phoebe's death. Jeanette had texted Ant asking like how they both were. And he had replied at like 8:30 in the morning. He, he wrote back, thanks, marm. Marm, she is Sleeping Beauty right now and not the Beast. She was resting well and I've explained now is the time to heal. Then when she feels okay, we'll work out a plan. So Victoria police concluded that Phoebe's death was the result of a suicide. And in the corner they ruled that her death was a freak accident. According to the coroners, Phoebe had a blood alcohol level of 0.16, which is like three times the legal limit. So they know like, her final hours involved heavy drinking. Phoebe also had Stillnox in her system, which is a prescription sleeping pill. And the coroners believe she had taken like one or two of these sleeping pills. Now the coroner's opinion was that Phoebe, while inside her apartment had accidentally, like, broken a glass, and she attempted to clean it up. And while doing so, she must have accidentally cut herself. And that's why there was, like, blood in the apartment. She then carried a garbage bag to the garbage chute. And because she was so intoxicated, she made the decision to climb into the garbage chute on her own, which then led to her death. They even went on to say that Phoebe most likely was in a sleepwalking state after drinking the alcohol and, like, taking the sleeping pills and, like, okay, sure. But to many, this didn't add up. This didn't make sense. And I'll tell you why. Police, during their investigation, didn't look into the garbage. And you're like, why would they do that? Because if Phoebe didn't throw her trash away or whatever, and, like, this is the story that they think happened, then maybe they could try and, like, you know, tie a garbage bag to Phoebe's apartment, kind of help with their story to make it make sense. And if they find, like, a bag belonging to her and, like, their apartment trash, it would make sense. But, you know, police failed to, like, make any connection there. So at the scene, Phoebe's sunglasses were found right next to her in the refuse room, which led to many people asking, like, why would she take her sunglasses with her while attempting to climb into a garbage chute? Like, they were on her head or something, they believe. Also, when she was found, her jeans were down to her, like, below her knees, and her belt was only looped into two of the five belt loops. Now, if she fell feet first into a narrow garbage chute, her jeans, they wouldn't slip down. They would slip up or they'd be pushed upwards, you know, so, like, didn't make sense. And also, her falling down a garbage chute wouldn't undo her belt. Many people have suggested, like, oh, it kind of seemed like she was in the middle of, like, looping her belt into her jeans, and then she ended up there or something. Like, nobody could make sense of the jeans or her sunglasses. It was just kind of like a weird. It's super weird. There's no answers there. Not even the corners or anyone could, like, make sense of it. So Phoebe's grandfather, this guy's so great. So great. I just feel bad because, like, the circumstances are awful, obviously. But her grandfather, he's a retired police detective, and he was not convinced. He was, like, phoebe was murdered. I think she was murdered. And he wanted to prove that it would have been virtually impossible to climb into a garbage chute on Your own. Because if these reports were true, like, Phoebe would have to climb into the chute feet first, which is tough, especially if you're in, like a sleep, like, state. Like, it's not on the ground or anything. Like, this garbage chute thing is, like, up high. The garbage chute had a 22 centimeter latch. And the opening of this thing is like a little wider than a laptop. There were no handholds or, like, supporting structures on the wall near the garbage chute. So getting into the thing alone would be super difficult. On top of that, once something is inserted into the chute, the door automatically closes, which again, would make it very hard to enter the chute. There was like, a retired detective, his name was Roland Legg. He would say, like, one of the major problems, apart from the dimensions, is that the door comes up against your lower back and jams you in. So trying to maneuver yourself is then not helped by the fact that there is nothing to grip onto. So this is where Phoebe's grandpa is like, a badass. Because he's like, I'm gonna do my own experiment. He had a model who was the same size as Phoebe. He brings them in and has them try to get into the shoot on their own. Which turns out was just not possible. There's footage of this. Cause they uploaded it on YouTube so you can actually watch it. But they tried numerous times with failed results every time. So then they tried it again. The model person had some assistance. It was like another person lifting her up and putting into the chute. And that worked, but it required her to raise her arms above her head to successfully get in. And that's worth saying because the investigators who analyzed the crime scene said that Phoebe's arms were most likely by her side during the fall because she had a bunch of injuries on her arms. And they're like, that means, like, her arms were probably down by her side. Now this part is where it just screams like. Like, I don't even know what the screams. It's just annoying because they. They saw that she had bruises because Phoebe had several bruises on her arms, neck and wrists. And they were like hand marks. Like, come on. Like someone was grabbing. And they even say, like, in the reports, it could be from someone, like, being aggressive and grabbing, but it also could be from something else. It's just like, okay. But there was some on her arms and there was one on her neck too. Calm the fuck on the coroner. And the police were like, nope, those are from the fall itself. And they were like, set on this. They still are. So then when the coroner came out and ruled Phoebe's death as, like, suicide, freak accident, whatever the hell they said. Aunt applied for Phoebe's superannuation fund. Sure, I said that, right? Australia. But it's like. It's kind of like a retirement or savings plan that's used in Australia. In other words, he was trying to receive a death benefit payment. And, like, this was just not even long after they came out with the report. Mm. I wonder if he had debts. Ant's father, remember, he was a judge, Big judge. His name's George Hample. He signed a statutory declaration, which is like a legal statement. So in Ant's declaration, George Hampel exaggerated the length of Ant and Phoebe's living situation. He said, or he, like, assigned signed a thing that said that Phoebe and Ant were living together for six months longer than they actually were in order for Ant to receive Phoebe's payment. I know. Now, Ant ended up receiving a payment of $113,000. So that's a lot. Damn, you guys got some good benefits out there, huh? So he receives the payment, and then there were, like, several disputes. Obviously, the family was very upset by this and they were trying to fight him on it. And eventually Ant kind of gives in and he gives some money to Phoebe's brothers. But the fact that he did that in the first place. Huh? Wow. Oh, that's not all. So then Ant and his family, they hold a funeral for Phoebe at some fancy yacht club. It was said that, like, some of Phoebe's closest friends weren't even invited. I think it was just for show. And then Phoebe's family, they had their own funeral, which was more modest. It was by the river, and Ant did not attend. So just weeks after Phoebe's death and actually sold his apartment at the Valencia. Many thought weird. So Phoebe's family was really pushing for, like, the police and investigators and the courts to, like, investigate this death because it was. It's strange. It's bizarre, right? But of course, like, an. And his family strongly opposed into looking into Phoebe's death. Further. The coroner had ruled that the combination of sleeping pills and alcohol had affected Phoebe's mental state, which led to her entering the garbage chute and losing her life. The coroners had, like, an assisting counsel. They disagreed. They were saying that this evidence left the possibility of third party involvement, which possibly included Ant. But what the coroner ruled, ruled. So it didn't matter what other people said. Just so dumb. I wonder who's paying them off. So Phoebe's family had actually tried to Challenge the coroner's findings, like, multiple times, but nothing ever really seemed to come from it. They kept getting denied. Phoebe's parents were straight up told, like, that it would be challenging trying to find a lawyer that would go against ants parents again. One was a supreme court judge, his dad, and his stepmom was a county court judge. So, yeah. Then in August 2013, a coroner's inquest into Phoebe's death was launched. They finally decided, okay, fine. We'll look into this. So obviously, like, Anthony's attorney objected to the notion that Phoebe was murdered. He's like, no, look at what everyone else said. And during the inquest, coroner Peter White had testified once again that Phoebe sleepwalked herself right into that shoe. But there's a detective. His name's Detective O'Brien. He was actually with Ant the night of Phoebe's death. And he testified, saying that Anthony's demeanor at the time was strange. I was like, go on. Yes, what about it? What? In a statement to the court, Detective O'Brien said that he remembered ant cried, but that there were no tears running down his face, nor did it appear that there had been any at all. He added that ant was sniffling, yet there was no sign of mucus or snot coming from his nose. He also said that his eyes were not bloodshot or red, and his face appeared quite normal. Mm. Again, that night, like, police officers went to Ant, and they were like, hey, we need to, like, get your statement. And ant Tripp told the officer, oh, I can type the statement up myself. He told the officer, like, I'm a really fast typist. I could just type it for you really quick. And the officer was like, okay. And he said. The officer said that as soon as Ant started typing his statement, he immediately stopped crying and appeared calm and composed. There was someone else who, like, came forward and said ant was being weird. One of his longtime friends. Her name was Vanessa Levin. She was shocked at his unusual behavior after Phoebe's death. She said that he appeared to enjoy all the people that were coming by his apartment, saying that he was lapping up the attention. This friend also said that while she was visiting aunt, he would be totally fine, Normal. Everything was great. He was scrolling on Facebook, answering emails. But then as soon as, like, a visitor came by, he would go to the couch, grab a pillow, go into the fetal position, and just cry. Do we. We expect him to be crying all day, every day? No. But this friend was saying that it seemed like he was turning on and off his emotions. You know what I'M saying it seemed like a performance a little bit. Now, when Phoebe's grandmother Jeanette came over to the apartment, she said something was off. She looked around the apartment and she was like, there is nothing around this apartment that even belongs to Phoebe. Or, like, shows Phoebe's personality, which you would assume there would be, like, traces of your existence in your apartment that you live in. Right. She said there was nothing around the apartment that was a Phoebe's except for carefully arranged photographs of Ant and Phoebe that were, like, laid out on the table. She was like, this is weird because Phoebe liked to paint. She was a colorful person. Like, you know, so she was just like, this is weird. So there was another friend. This one's weird. It was Ant's friend. His name was Christo. I guess they were like work colleagues. And it was said that their relationship was only professional, but many disagree that it was only professional. They seemed extra friendly. Like, there was many photos of them on Facebook that made them seem like they were really good personal friends. Like, there's photos of them on a yacht in Europe and the two of them would, like, engage in some banter in the comment section. People were like, okay, but that's not the point. The point is that Christo would go to Ant's apartment, concierge office, and go speak with the lady who initially found Phoebe's body. Why? Well, Christo had showed up with, like, a bottle of wine and some chocolate for the woman, and then started talking with her about Phoebe's death and how she struggled with depression and that Ant tried to help her, but that Phoebe didn't want to be saved. Like, going on and on about it. Yes. This guy, this random ass guy. Huh? This friend was telling the concierge lady, like, all of this Now, I guess it was said that Christo had visited the concierge, like, every second or third day for about two weeks and was, like, having the same conversation. Weird, right? So after so many visits, I get the concierge pretty much told him, like, don't come back because you're upsetting. You're upsetting me. Like, I don't want to talk about this with you. So they told him not to come back. Isn't that weird, though, right? Like, what was that about? What was that? I mean, it's not illegal to do that. But, like, you know, when Ant was, like, asked directly whether he had any involvement with Phoebe's death, he said absolutely not. Just had to throw that out there. He did deny it. He told everyone that Phoebe was depressed, she was Drinking a lot. She was borrowing money from him. And, like, maybe it was suicide. Like, maybe she was over it. It, Like, Ant mentioned, though, that before her death, he had bought tickets for them for him and Phoebe to go to Paris together, like, the next month. It was like three weeks, and that it was something that she was looking forward to. And, like, this was confirmed by Phoebe's family that Ant had purchased tickets to go to Paris with her. So she had told one of her family members that she wanted out of the relationship, but she was gonna, like, suck it up until after the trip. I say that only because it was kind of like part of their defense. Like, see, she did. She didn't want to have killed herself. She was making plans, you know, I don't know. Because Phoebe's death was initially listed as a suicide, this prevented further investigation or investigations, like trying to access and analyze Phoebe's computer and emails. And Phoebe's parents were finally able to, like, access her Gmail account only to find out that all of Phoebe's sent emails had been wiped out and deleted. So Ant had a sister. Her name was Chrissy, but apparently she had a pretty close bond with Phoebe. Like, they're close. So Chrissy is a hample, meaning she has powerful parents. But Chrissy was like a bad egg. She would sell drugs, she would get into trouble, you know, but she would sell, like, drugs to aunt's friends and like, some. Some people in Australia's high society. And Phoebe was aware of this? You know, I think everyone maybe was, but after Phoebe's death, Chrissy, she got arrested and was facing drug trafficking charges. But because of her family, they had a lot of power and a lot of influence and they were able to evade a conviction. So she was let go. But then in 2016, Chrissy went on Facebook. I love when people go on Facebook and just say wild shit. But she went on Facebook and she posted a picture of herself and Phoebe. And then she wrote in the caption, like, in loving memory, I stumbled across my favorite pic of beautiful Phoebe. I miss you, darling. You were a fragile little flower that no one watered. You and your family were let down by the justice system and those who represent it. I only hope that one day the truth will come out so that they will have some peace. The truth. The truth will come out. Interesting. So, you know, after a year and a half into, like, their investigation called an inquest, they came to the same conclusion that Phoebe had either committed suicide or as a freak accident. And, like, Anthony was off the hook, so nothing came of it. Anthony was never charged or even considered a suspect. To this day, like the case remains unsolved. The courts and all that will say it's solved. They'll say, yeah, it was a suicide or whatever. But to many, like it's unsolved. And to her family as well, they continue to search for answers because it's also weird, right? But then it leads us into one other little situation. So there's this girl named Bailey. She's 25 years old, she lives in Melbourne. Melbourne. Melbourne, Australia. There's some similarities to Phoebe's story. Bailey was known for like being outgoing, fun, beautiful. She was a model. She did, she did stuff. So then this leads us into our, like, our little other mini story we got going on right now. 25 year old Bailey Schneider, she was kind of similar to Phoebe in some ways. She had an active social life. She was very popular, she was gorgeous, and people seem to really love her. And then on June 24, 2018, she was at home with her parents. She was like on her phone and her parents are like, okay, we are gonna go outside the supermarket or something. And she's like, okay. Like she stays behind, I guess. Bailey had like a bad day before. Her and her boyfriend had gotten into a fight at like a barbecue. So she's kind of just like bumming out over it, right? So parents take off, go to the grocery store, and when they come back, that's when they find Bailey. They return home and they find Bailey's lifeless body slumped against the baseboards by a cupboard in the kitchen. She had a gold cord tied around her neck as if she had hanged herself. But she didn't hang herself. It was odd. It was odd because one, there was no place in the kitchen where the 178 centimeter tall Bailey could have hanged herself. Despite this, police concluded that her death was a suicide. Her parents strongly disagreed. Over a year later, an investigation was opened regarding her death. And at this point, police obtained her two mobile phones, searched them and they came to the conclusion that like it was self inflicted. The connection here is that Bailey also dated Anthony Hampel. Now what are the odds of that? A guy has two, two girlfriends who kill themselves? Like, that's weird, man. That's random. He's got a lot of weird coincidences going on, doesn't he? So I guess like Bailey, it was on again, off again. It was very toxic. This is just based off of what I read. There's like not that much information out there about her. I'm gonna make an assumption here. I don't really know too much, but I think because her background was a little. She's like a party girl. I think she worked at a strip club and stuff. So it's like, they didn't really report just about her and, like, her relationship or anything of that. Couldn't find anything, really, except for surface stuff and the fact that, like, she was a stripper and whatnot. It's like, okay. But, like, there's more to her than that. What was I even getting at? I don't remember. But they both dated Ant at the time. What's her name? Bailey was 25 and Ant was, like, 49 or some shit. And, like, in his 50s, maybe.
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I can't even remember.
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Bailey Sarian
But it was something massive. But both Phoebe and Bailey were kind of similar. Like, a lot of people said after dating Ant, both of them became socially withdrawn, secretive and reserved. I mean, that's it, really. The end. Yeah. I wish I could have found out more about Bailey Schneider. There were so many, like, conflicting stories. But we do know that she dated Ant. Like, come on. I didn't do, like a. Where is he now? With Ant. I did come across. I know. Why didn't I. I don't know. It was like, I don't want to know where this guy's at. It's a piece of. But I do. I did read that he's, like, married and whatnot. Does the wife know? How do you marry someone? And they're like, oh, yeah, I had two girlfriends who died. Wouldn't you be like, I'm okay. I think I'm okay. Like, that's kind of weird. Anywho, that is the case of Phoebe Hanjuck and Bailey Snyder. A little bit there, you know, for Phoebe's family moving on from, like, their loss remains pretty much a lifelong struggle with these stories. You always hope for the best, I guess. Like, some closure, some answers. Maybe they'll find, like, a diary that belonged to Ant or something. It just, like. I don't know. What do you think? You think Ant did it? Or he just has really bad luck, huh? I don't know. There's so many things that, like, point to Ant. I don't know how he did it, though. That's the thing. Because there's many people who say, like, he was at work all day when Phoebe had died, that he was at work all day. Like, a lot of eyewitnesses and stuff. So if he was at work all day, how'd he do it? You know, Maybe it wasn't him. Maybe it was, like, one of the construction workers who was working at the building? I don't know. Well, thank you for hanging out with me today. Today was a little long, wasn't it? I hope you have a good day. You make good choices and I'll be talking to you later. Goodbye.