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David Burry
Motherfucking Mini Episode Mini Episode Motherfucking mini episode. I might swerve in that corner.
Langston Kerman
Whoa.
David Burry
Welcome little mamas and gentiles alike, to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told
Langston Kerman
Me, the podcast where we dive deep, deep into the pockets of black conspiracies.
David Burry
Whoa. And we finally work to prove the conspiracies of yo. That shit does go though. It does go.
Langston Kerman
You know what? I hated it at first. I'm not even going to be one of those people that was like from the beginning. I knew that Liangelo Ball was sitting On a hit. I really hated it. And I think the Internet has kind of forced my hand into seeing the vision that he had.
David Burry
I think it just sounds like a time that I was listening to a lot of music, you know what I'm saying? It's like. It's not as good of a version of that song as the cash money millionaires would have made, but it does sound like a song that the cash money millionaires would have made.
Langston Kerman
It's a real. It's like early Flo Rider. Do you want to me where that's just like. I think. I think you're thinking of Flo Rida as he is now, as this sort of, like, clownish version of. You know what I mean? He makes Miami songs now. Whatever, right? But there was an era of Flo Rider where he was, like, closer to Rick Ross than he was to what he is.
David Burry
What was the first Flow Rider song?
Langston Kerman
I don't remember, to be honest with you. There's a part of me that feels like Flowrider has always been here, and it scares me.
David Burry
No. No way. No way, no way.
Langston Kerman
There's a part of me that feels like time. There has never been a time without Flo Rider.
David Burry
Because I don't. I believe you. I don't remember a Flow Rider era where I was like, you know what? That shit is actually okay.
Langston Kerman
I don't think it was okay, But I think it hits with a type of nostalgia that we all yearn for, right?
David Burry
I mean, it is fun that my coolest era is now the era that kids are obsessed with. Like, damn, we're about to wear two T shirts again. Let's go, bro.
Langston Kerman
I used to. There was no way I would walk out the house with one T shirt at one point in my life. One T shirt. Come on.
David Burry
Am I homeless? One T shirt?
Langston Kerman
Yeah, come on, man. You put a T shirt on, and then you put another T shirt on, and you show a little bit of that T shirt underneath.
David Burry
It's usually a white T shirt. White T shirts are for underneath. Academic T shirts are for on top.
Langston Kerman
I used to wear a white T shirt on top of a white T shirt.
David Burry
I've seen that. I've seen it done.
Langston Kerman
This is my. This is my bummy shirt. But I gotta put on a nice shirt on top of that.
David Burry
I gotta have a double white on. I used to. I used to be, like, working out for football in two T shirts, like, in the weight room. Two T shirts, dawg.
Langston Kerman
It makes no sense. It's how I protect my shirt on top Is I wear this shirt underneath. That way, my skin never touches the shirt. It's still a clean shirt.
David Burry
But then if you ever got the ratio off, you also looked like a crazy person.
Langston Kerman
Oh, you look nuts.
David Burry
Like, if the undershirt was, like, a little too big and the hard look
Langston Kerman
had that sloppy ass collar. You know what I mean? Or it was like, oh, man, you look like. You look like an animal. You look sick.
David Burry
Undershirt has to have the tight collar. Overshirt could have a loose collar. You let white to the neck.
Langston Kerman
You let undershirt. You let overshirt be whatever the fuck the overshirt wants to be.
David Burry
Yeah.
Langston Kerman
Yeah. But that undershirt better be clean.
David Burry
Cause they know you got another shirt on.
Kalpen (Kal Penn)
Mm.
David Burry
Mm. I remember for years after that era, it being very difficult to go out just wearing one T shirt, like, to untrain. That was like. It never felt. You're like, oh, no, but where's my other shirt at?
Langston Kerman
It took a minute in my brain for sure.
David Burry
And honestly, if I. I'll be truly honest. I'm still programmed. I still want that other shirt. Mm.
Langston Kerman
You still have moments where you're like, yeah, I would never wear. And I've seen people do this. I would never wear a hoodie without a shirt.
David Burry
No, I want. I. Even now, I'm kind of upset. I want you to see a little bit of the shirt underneath the hoodie.
Langston Kerman
I like when there's this part show. I'm like, yeah, this is nasty.
David Burry
I like it on the bottom a little bit. Oh, just a little bit. Okay. Cause it used to be I needed you to know that I had a shirt as large as my hoodie, and that's how I'm covered.
Langston Kerman
I like that it was a size issue for you, you know? Yeah.
David Burry
Shirt might be bigger than the hoodie. Fuck you. I got.
Langston Kerman
I got huge news, y'. All. All my shit big. I ain't got a small thing in my closet, motherfucker. The numbers.
David Burry
There's no two XLs in here. It's all three tees. Three XL tees. I did never like, though, tall tees. I always felt stupid if a T shirt went near my knees, though. That's too far.
Langston Kerman
Yeah, I didn't care for that. I thought tall tees had to be tasteful.
David Burry
Tall. Yeah, you had to be. The 3xt is for tasteful. You had to be really tall.
Langston Kerman
Yeah. Or at least it had to be Creating the illusion that you were. It couldn't be that thing. I didn't want to look like Soulja. Boy, that shit looked crazy.
David Burry
No, he looked stupid or fat. It's like. Because then it's just draping off of a bad build.
Langston Kerman
The Talksy era was not for y'. All. And that's. That's fucked up.
David Burry
No, not at all. It's crazy that our era with the baggiest clothes did not suit us at all.
Langston Kerman
No, we. We really made it still, like, a skinny interpretation of big clothes.
David Burry
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Langston Kerman
Because it's meant to elongate. Like, CeeLo was wearing tall tees, and he looked fucking nuts.
David Burry
He looked bad. Especially if you got, like, a real solid belly. It just high. You get that tall tee on, and you look like you got a basketball.
Langston Kerman
All right, we all wearing tall tees. And this nigga got a muumu on.
David Burry
Yeah.
Langston Kerman
Hanging.
David Burry
It's draped all weird.
Langston Kerman
Yeah.
David Burry
You know what I mean? Like.
Langston Kerman
Yeah, it's crazy.
David Burry
Well, anyways, I'm glad it's coming back. Thanks, Jello.
Langston Kerman
Thank you. LiAngelo. You have proven once again the strength of LaVar Ball and his family.
David Burry
You've proven the man can't miss.
Langston Kerman
The man can't miss. We all do.
David Burry
They have a daughter?
Langston Kerman
No, it's just some. Three boys. Yeah. And their mom is sick. And so lavar, in some ways, has been doing this all by himself, baby.
David Burry
He didn't even fix his teeth. He got front facing. That was always crazy to me, because I think he had the money to do it, but it was like, maybe like Nas with the chip tooth or he's like, nah, that's just me.
Langston Kerman
No, I, I really think. And this is what I'm gonna, I'm gonna go out on a limb here. I really think he's just a good fucking guy.
David Burry
Yeah. I, I, I, I, I think that's fair because he's a psychopath.
Langston Kerman
But I don't think that his, his goal in this was to legit, like, become like, this big body Benz ass dude.
David Burry
Oh, you think? It was really just, my boys are big ballers.
Langston Kerman
I think he really just wanted to turn those boys into kings.
David Burry
I mean, to be fair, he has stepped away. It's not like he, it's not like he, like, he, like, took the platform and launched it. Now we see lavar Ball content all the time. He really fell back once. They kind of went and did what they were gonna do.
Langston Kerman
He got everything he wanted and he chilled.
David Burry
Yeah. Yeah.
Langston Kerman
He didn't start dressing like Steve Harvey. He didn't. He didn't segue this into, like, big baller tv. He was like, I'm gonna get shoes so that I can help pay for these boys to keep getting more famous and more successful. And then at the point that I've got it where it needs to be, I'm gonna get the fuck out the way.
David Burry
Yeah, I'm pretty okay with it. You can't say he didn't do right by them boys.
Langston Kerman
He did fucking fantastic by them boys.
David Burry
We had some fun along the way.
Langston Kerman
Yeah. Now, do I think he's a, you know, a hero? No, I don't. But I do think, God damn, he's fucking. He's just a decent man who got on everybody's nerves for a little bit
David Burry
and who still owes me $38 for a month. Sweet tea.
Langston Kerman
I don't think he does. I'm gonna be honest with you. I think what you did was as close to a GoFundMe for LaMelo Ball.
David Burry
No, I wanted the shirt, though.
Langston Kerman
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I understand. But you also wanted LaMelo. Do you know what I mean? Like, in the back of your mind?
David Burry
I mean, at the time, we wanted Lonzo.
Langston Kerman
You didn't see the vision, Mama. He did.
David Burry
Well, yeah, fair, because they were saying he's the coldest one, even back then.
Langston Kerman
But no, I'm saying beyond what the assessment was. I'm saying that Lavar knew from the beginning that he was going to turn three boys into emperors. And even when none of us could see it, but he proved everyone wrong. And if we had to give him a little bit of money, a little seed money with no results, I think that's just what you have to do. You have to chop it up to the game, baby.
David Burry
That's fair. I've donated more to GoFundMes that I weren't sure were all that real.
Langston Kerman
There's a few people I know who fully faked an illness that I gave money to.
David Burry
Damn that.
Langston Kerman
You know, personally, I don't get that money back. You know what I mean?
David Burry
Yeah, man, I've got on there. Cause do you ever go on there and then you try to, like, I got on there pretty fucked up, to be honest. But, like, you go on there and you try to find, like, the real ones, and then now you're, like, buying Thanksgiving dinner for someone who maybe or maybe doesn't have a family?
Langston Kerman
No, I've never done it like. Like a guy going to the pound.
David Burry
That's not what it's like. That's not what it's like. It's that you first got money. You have a little bit of a. You have a Little bit of a survivor's guilt. You have a little bit of remorse for all this extra income you have. You're on a plane drinking, and you feel like you have to do some good in the world. Cause it's Thanksgiving.
Langston Kerman
I hear you.
David Burry
Yeah, I hear you. But then I don't know where that went, you know?
Langston Kerman
No, you never will.
David Burry
And I think, did that Native American family have a Thanksgiving dinner? I don't know. It was weird for me to donate.
Langston Kerman
Here's what I'll say. And I feel this way about all forms of charity, both in person, online, whatever it is. I think that our responsibility as human beings is to just care about each other. It is not to care about each other with proof. Do you know what I mean?
David Burry
So, like, that's fair, because what am I? I'm a cop now. Prove to me that you're gonna lose your house. That's crazy.
Langston Kerman
You just let people go, be people. And unfortunately, people don't always do what we hope they're gonna do. But that is the human experience as much as anything. I think that's fair. I give money. I don't think about it. If I have it, then. Then it is yours. And. And if I don't have it, then I also don't have to burden myself with being like, but why didn't I. It's just like, nah, that's just. I'm a participant in the human experience.
David Burry
You do it anonymously.
Langston Kerman
No niggas need to know. No, no, no niggas need to know.
David Burry
This. Niggas diabolical. That's.
Langston Kerman
Lady, you gotta see my name.
David Burry
Oh, okay, man. That's where I'm a fucking idiot. I don't re. Put my name on it sometimes. And then I. This is a stupid conversation, but sometimes you put it. You don't put your name on it. And he'll be like, this fucking loser. Didn't go anonymous. I know he's richer than me and he gave 20 bucks.
Langston Kerman
Yeah. Nah, I mean, it does get you in trouble when you start. And I feel like I'm just sort of hedging into that space where people start to think you have money. And I don't have to be clear. It's not like I'm sitting on, like, some insane amount of money. But you start property, you start to build up the image. See how nasty people talk to you when you.
David Burry
That's not nasty. That's not nasty. I think you have a beautiful home. That's not nasty. Don't do that. That's not nasty.
Langston Kerman
And I think with that, you then become aware. I remember when Virgil. Wasn't it Virgil that got in trouble because he gave, like, 50 bucks to somebody who was, like, dying.
David Burry
That's hilarious.
Langston Kerman
It was, like, crazy. I can't remember what it was that he was giving charity to, but it was like $50. And he was like the head of Louis Vuitton at the time, and people were eating him.
David Burry
Listen, digital panhandling is crazy.
Langston Kerman
It's very.
David Burry
Because you can't expect. You can't expect famous people. You can't expect rich people to give you their money. That's just not how it works, man. You can't expect anybody to give you money. Really?
Langston Kerman
No. Every once in a while, there'll be somebody who will post, like, Elon Musk has $50 billion. If he gave just a billion dollars to 80 people, we'd all be. And it's like, bro, what are you.
David Burry
When has that ever happened? What game are we playing in a believable setting?
Langston Kerman
You're right. He's not doing it.
David Burry
You think he got a billion dollars to give it to you? Are you? Come on. It's not. That's not the mentality that gets you
Langston Kerman
a billion dollars, and it's not how the game works. He can't give it to you because if he gives it to you now, he's got a new competitor. You know what I mean? Right now he's got a problem because you're going to sit there and figure out what to do with a billion dollars, and it's like, oh, shut up. Shut up.
David Burry
I would love it. And, like, I would love it if you did. And listen, if you gave me a billion dollars, I probably give most of it away, too. But that's because I'm not a guy who could earn a billion dollars. You know what I'm saying? So listen, really, go fund me. Y' all want to give it back. You want to give somebody an amount of money that he feels bad about, so much so that he gives it back to boys and girls clubs and whatnot and give it to me, give it to me. Trying to give this shit away. And I'm not even rich.
Langston Kerman
I've seen the type of people who know how to, like, flip money into millions of dollars. In fact, we have people in our community that, like, are real, like, savvy in that way. Yeah, we're like, not just, oh, you've earned a million dollars because of your talent. Where they go, like, I've earned this much, but I could flip this shit into Way, way more. Because I understand business and strategy and all these different things. Those are not insane people. They are specific people, but they're not fucking crazy. They're just specific and strategic people who can flip money into a billion dollars. You have to be a psychopath.
David Burry
Yeah, it's already. It's like a different. Because you have to view the. You have to view it on that level. And that level is all imagined, it's all perceived. You know what I'm saying?
Langston Kerman
You're not dealing with people anymore.
David Burry
No, it's like a whole other thing. You're dealing. You're dealing with ideas. Like money at that scale is more of an idea than it is. It is a resource in that you can mobilize it and stuff like that. But it's like it's imaginary numbers. And that's like, come on, baby. That's not, that's not. That's not what we're doing. The people who are gonna give that. What money away. I work for everything I got probably always gonna. I don't even know if I'm gonna figure out how to make any money. Make money for me.
Langston Kerman
All my dollars are in the bank.
David Burry
It is not a portfolio. And I thought about it, I've been like, damn, I should figure out. I should probably put this somewhere. Make it, make it, make it shake. I don't know how. I don't know how. What am I gonna do? I'm gonna buy a bunch of weed and send it to people? That's really the only. That's really the only come up I know about.
Langston Kerman
Nah, people, people really know how to flip their money and be strategic. And some people then are able to do something way scarier and flip humans. Like flip the human experience. And I think that's how you make a billion dollars.
David Burry
And that's why I keep the moral high ground over here. Because I'm like, I don't respect money. It's not real.
Langston Kerman
Yeah. And then you respect it. You just can't get it.
David Burry
So, no, no, no, I don't respect it. It's a joke. What if there were no countries? Borders are real.
Langston Kerman
What if God was one of us?
David Burry
Yeah, come on. Who made these oligarchs anyways?
Langston Kerman
I don't.
David Burry
I don't respect your system. Therefore I do not play. Do I have more money than I ever have? Yes. And am I trying to go back? Hell no. I'll kill you. But also, I don't respect the system.
Langston Kerman
No. It's crazy, man.
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David Burry
I had to. Did I tell you I had to go through that? I had a real epiphany about 50 Cent the other day.
Langston Kerman
Oh no, you love 50.
David Burry
No, I still love 50 Cent. But I was just watching it and I was just like, I don't know man. That's just what that guy's built for. He likes that. I'm kind of doing exactly. I like my life that I made. There's no, there's. You could have put me in the same exact life as 50 cent day to day. Completely different outcomes. I don't want to do that. I don't know. I don't want to be a shark.
Langston Kerman
He always thought it was going to be funny to be mean to his son. Do you know what I mean? Right. That's who he is. We all have that dude in our lives where you're like, he thinks it's funny to be, like, fucking mean to a little kid.
David Burry
Yeah. And it's like, God bless. I respect skill. You're the best at what you're trying to do.
Langston Kerman
And I appreciate, bro, as far as being mean to your son and making it funny. 50 cents the king.
David Burry
And just like in being a business shark who's not really shark coated anymore,
Langston Kerman
you know, I think, I think that's the same mentality. Do you know what I mean? Like, I think all of that cooks together to make this shark of a human being in all forms. And I think he was always going to be a shark. And for a while it was on the streets. And then after a while, it became just being a bully to other celebrities and his children, which is ultimately great,
David Burry
but not the children part, but the other celebrities think it's funny. Give me my money. That's great. It's great to see celebrities scared of a bully.
Langston Kerman
It's nice.
David Burry
He's really the best bully.
Langston Kerman
I can't think of a better bully.
David Burry
It's really the greatest bully. And he's not really a bully because he's like, I don't know. It's complicated.
Langston Kerman
You know what's crazy? And I've never thought about this until this moment, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts. How do you think Trump would fare against 50?
David Burry
Is this like a queens get the money type of thing? Is that what you're asking me?
Langston Kerman
Yeah. Like, if 50 decided to, like, fully troll Trump, like fully go at him online, how do you think Trump would hold up? Because he would come back. Trump is not a.
David Burry
He's a fighter for sure.
Langston Kerman
He's a fighter and he likes trolling, he likes being on the Internet, talking nasty with people. That's a game he lives in, too.
David Burry
How.
Langston Kerman
Who's coming out on top of. In that. And obviously the public will respond the way the public responds. I'm not suggesting that Maga would turn on him and suddenly Trump is no longer, you know, what he is. But I'm saying, like, pound for pound, who do you think we're going to walk away and be like the winner is.
David Burry
That's tough. Because like in that. In a fully. In what we're talking about is a fight with no stakes, like no political implications and stuff like that. Just like that kind of thing. They're both kind of unfatable. You know what I mean?
Langston Kerman
It's tough.
David Burry
It's like that is a difficult. Cuz Trump, man, I mean, 50 Cent has a lot of moments. I don't think he has a fist up after he got shot type moment,
Langston Kerman
but he got shot nine times. That's how we got to know him.
David Burry
Yeah. Nobody was there.
Langston Kerman
Oh, man, I hate that we've reached that era of.
David Burry
That's what it is though, that he got shot in the car.
Langston Kerman
50 Cent getting shot is now the Wilt Chamberlain 100 Point game is crazy.
David Burry
You know what I mean?
Langston Kerman
That is the same. While we ain't got footage of 50
David Burry
Cent getting shot, Trump's stronger.
Langston Kerman
It sucks that that's. And I'm not judging you, it's just.
David Burry
But what I'm saying is that's the game Trump is playing.
Langston Kerman
That's the era.
David Burry
There were cameras there. That's why he had his fist up. Trump's on point, pound for pound.
Langston Kerman
And that would be such a funny moment when Trump goes, I don't even believe he got shot. There's footage of me getting shot. 50 Cent, where's your footage? Where's your tape?
David Burry
That's, I think, the angle. I think he also, the way that he called lil Pump lil pimp. I think he would diminish that in that way. Who's this man dying? Who's this man dying? Like, I think because Trump does that shit where it doesn't even have to be funny, it just has to be like, bold.
Langston Kerman
Yeah. He's going to call him 50 pesos and we're going to go nuts. The Internet is going to eat that up. It is crazy.
David Burry
But I think if it came down to it, 50 versus Trump, this is the most success. This is better than Nas versus Jay Z to me. Yeah. We're talking about hypothetical who could win. Oh, man. 50 versus Trump. I think I gotta give it to 50, but I think that's because 50 is willing to play the long game in a way that I don't think Trump would be. 50 will be. How long has he been talking about Diddy parties and he'll play with your butt. 50 will go for a long time. Trump's 70 something, right? Yeah, like, I think he just doesn't. I don't think he could Maintain it for that long. But I think it would be a battle.
Langston Kerman
Yeah. 50 is going to hit him at weird hours in the night that Trump can't. Can't handle.
David Burry
And 50 is going to go at angles that maybe. Maybe Trump's just not looking for, because 50, 50, 50 will go. Get your man. 50. 50 is going to be. 50 is going to pull up to a Bellator fight with Don Jr. Yeah.
Langston Kerman
He's going to go kid for kid. He's going to try to fuck Tiffany.
David Burry
It's going to go.
Langston Kerman
It's going to be nuts.
David Burry
He's going to have Melania like he did. It was going to be crazy.
Langston Kerman
Trump just ain't got the. The stomach for trying to fuck one of 50 cents, you know, wives or girlfriends or some shit. You know what I mean?
David Burry
Like, yeah, yeah.
Langston Kerman
He just ain't got it the way 50 would.
David Burry
But I think it would be. I think that would be a battle, man. That would be exciting.
Langston Kerman
I can't think of a better face off.
David Burry
No powerhouses and just, like, people at their disposal. I want. Because I've been thinking about, like, rap beefs and stuff like that. And like, I would like a rap style beef that doesn't affect black people. Like, that doesn't. That mobilizes completely different parts of the culture. Does that make sense? Like, I would want to see. I want to see like, a Taylor Swift, Garth Brooks beef, but for real, and mobilize them and let's all sit back and watch and we could say snarky shit like, I don't think it's great because Garth Brooks didn't say he was gonna kill Taylor Swift. Whatever dumb white people commentary there is on that type shit.
Langston Kerman
Yeah, they never they that. And you know, you're really speaking to something that I think we've never talked about before on this podcast is why people never take it to their art.
David Burry
No, because they don't want to lose their shit. Our shit is disposable.
Langston Kerman
But it almost makes me feel. And I don't think they're making art then. Do you know what I mean? Like, part of what the artistic experience is, is to be present in the world around you. And it's not that they're not making art. I'm being reductive. But, like, there's a part of me that feels like, well, then y' all ain't doing what you claim art is supposed to be in all these textbooks and all these sort of like, technical interpretations of art. You. You aren't taking the beef or your actual Feelings in a real place, you're just like, oh, I'm arguing with Selena Gomez. But then I sing songs about being 16 and dating a prince or whatever the fuck it is.
David Burry
I think it's a. It's a thin line, though, because it's like. It's not like beef records are the only art either. You know what I'm saying? I think they're not making a spectacle of it. I do think that, like. Because it seems to be like, I don't listen to that shit, but it seems to be like, Taylor has her lemonade, right? Like, it seems to be still, like, reflecting on life and putting that out despite.
Langston Kerman
Yeah, it's very coded. Sort of like people who are big swifties claim that there are, like, all these messages regarding her present life that are sort of deeply embedded in the music, which is why. Hence her popularity. But I think my point is less. And I think Taylor Swift maybe is a great example of it, where she actively is writing about the things that she's experiencing. But I think for the vast majority of white artists, that's not really what's happening. It seems to me like what they're doing is just making this sort of, like, canned version of the thing, but not necessarily giving us the sort of active reflection. And maybe that. Again, I'm being so reductive. There are so many great examples of white artists that are doing it.
David Burry
But I think the pop culture. I think pop music in general, though, I think you could make the same case for rap music. You know what I mean?
Langston Kerman
No. Migos was talking about what the Migos was doing the whole time. Cooking
David Burry
34 ounces of broccoli.
Langston Kerman
Broccoli?
David Burry
Broccoli. Yeah.
Langston Kerman
I don't think them dudes had other going on. You know what I mean?
David Burry
I don't know. It's an interesting thing, though. I. I wonder. That's interesting, the idea that they're not making art.
Langston Kerman
I'm being so redundant.
David Burry
I don't think I know enough about it to talk. You know what I mean, man, People have gotten on me about this even shit. Like, I think that we came up in such a heavy rap and R and B era that at the time, I should have been learning about other musics. I really wasn't. I mean, I've talked to you about this, about music and how I feel about it in the way that, like, I listen to Peters. I don't feel nothing.
Langston Kerman
Nah, same.
David Burry
Yeah. I just don't. It just doesn't.
Langston Kerman
They got a couple songs that I'm
David Burry
like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I like the songs that sound like black people sang them.
Langston Kerman
Yep. Those are the ones I'm into. I like yesterday. Cause Boyz II Men did it better.
David Burry
I like, come together because Michael Jackson sang it at the end of Moonwalker. But yeah, I don't know. That's interesting. I would like to. I wonder. I wonder, because if we're looking at, like, generic, do you think generic black music is still more connected than generic white music? I truly can't tell.
Langston Kerman
When you say connected, what do you
David Burry
mean to our two audience experience as opposed to being like. Because, I mean, it seems like white pop music has the same type of ghost riders and general waves that get written. And it does seem to be pretty, pretty, pretty similar. You know, I don't believe in these rappers for nothing.
Langston Kerman
No. Yeah. I think. I think it were less likely than ever to have like these massive distinctions between white and black music. I think.
David Burry
You think more likely than ever.
Langston Kerman
Less likely than ever.
David Burry
Oh, okay.
Langston Kerman
I think where the genres have bled into each other so much that there isn't even really a distinction in regional music anymore. Do you know what I mean?
David Burry
Not in the way that there was before. Yeah.
Langston Kerman
When that Chicago era hit, you knew what a Chicago rapper sounded like. Atlanta rappers used to sound like Atlanta rappers. New York for the longest was the only thing that we associated with hip hop. And it wasn't, you know what I mean? Like that Wu Tang era where it was just like if you didn't sound like a New Yorker, you weren't even really rapping like that. You know what I mean?
David Burry
Yeah, yeah. The west coast was not getting love.
Langston Kerman
No. Yeah. I think. Nah, I 100% agree that the blending has happened. I think I'm more speaking just to the emotional presence in the art form less than an actual assessment of quality of art or sort of like, I got you.
David Burry
Because the emotional presence. That is one good thing about. I feel like black art in general is that it usually. It's present more often than not. Right. It feels. It feels that way even if he's lying, man. Some of these rappers are rapping, though. Even if it's lies. You feel that shit. And I don't. I don't necessarily know that I feel that way when I listen to other types of music. But maybe that might be like. Because I think about it, even with rap and shit like that, it's like so culturally coded. Like, you have to know so much to know so much. You know what I'm saying? And I wonder if maybe there's A level of that to rock and roll music or some shit that I'm just not getting. I don't think so, by the way. I don't. I don't think so, but maybe I think so.
Langston Kerman
I just don't think it's as interesting as our shit is, you know what I mean? Like, I actually think there's a lot of stuff that I'm never going to be able to understand inside of. Like fucking Rolling Stone songs that. That obviously gives people feeling and meaning that. You know what I mean? Like, I just would have to be unpacking to unpack.
David Burry
See, but that's the shit I identify more to. Their old shit. I like their old shit. Like white music in general. I like their older shit. You know what I like is old sad ass cowboy songs. I like that shit. I think there's a ton of emotion in it, you know what I mean? Cause it all feels like it comes from a similar place of just working class struggle type music that I like that shit. So I get. I could actually get down with that shit, you know? Like, I like. Cause like the way the rap music cosplays is like gangsters or whatever. They cosplay as cowboys. That's their shit. They like boys love being cowboys. Love that shit, you know, I just
Langston Kerman
can't get enough of it.
David Burry
Like I think about that song Seven Spanish Angels with Ray Charles and Willie Nelson.
Langston Kerman
That's a good one.
David Burry
And it's just. They're just pretending to be cowboys. Yeah, you ever heard that song Ain't
Langston Kerman
no Way Ray Rode A Horse.
David Burry
Come on. Ray had country albums. Ray loved country music. But like, that shit kind of to me is more interesting. And because of that shit Mike Judge did with Tales from a Tour Bus, where you watch these country music artists from like the 70s, 60s, and you realize you're like, oh, they were thugging though. They're shooting people and doing all kinds of shits.
Langston Kerman
A lot of.
David Burry
Yeah.
Langston Kerman
I think I venture far more into white music than you do, which is odd.
David Burry
I don't mean to not, but I think you do too.
Langston Kerman
Yeah.
David Burry
Modern white music. Because you don't. I don't think you don't seem. Do you listen to a lot of older white music too?
Langston Kerman
It depends what we call older. I think there's certain eras for sure. I love hall and Oaks, you know what I mean?
David Burry
Yeah, that doesn't even count. Like, so that's not like the Bee Gees.
Langston Kerman
I fuck with them super hard. Like, you know what I mean? Like there's. There's Some groups that I'm, like, truly tapped into their whole discography.
David Burry
Oh, you know who I like is when old boy came out drinking the apple juice, I. I did the deep dive on Fleetwood Mac. I like that shit.
Langston Kerman
Fleetwood Mac is. Is dope. That's just a bunch of motherfuckers that hated each other. And that's what I'm saying. They were really making art because they were. They hated each other's guts. They were having these weird, like, fairs and sort of, like, relationship splits and shit. And they wrote about that, and it was present in the music and the people that track. And that's the kind of stuff where, like, if it weren't for white people explaining to me that there's, like, more underneath these lyrics, I wouldn't understand it.
David Burry
That's fair. That's fair.
Langston Kerman
I would just be like, oh, this sounds like a weird sort of, like, breakup song. And they're like, nah, nah, nah. You don't understand. When she's saying this, she's talking about this dude, and he's sitting there playing the drums while it's happening, like.
David Burry
And it's like. It is the same shit we do where you're like, no, actually, it's a song about Jerry Heller and how he used to fight. You know what I mean?
Langston Kerman
That's what I mean is that habit is just not the same as, no
David Burry
homo shot 50 cent and now he's dead. Many men, like, whatever. When you get on your nerd shit. I was trying to listen to many men with my girl, and you just really. You're just like, oh, this is not cool.
Langston Kerman
No. The amount of. The amount of school library hours I spent trying to figure out who UN was from Jay Z song.
David Burry
Oh, man. Goddamn UN Rivera. That's some shit. That is some time I will never get back, bro.
Langston Kerman
I was learning everything I could to understand Volume two,
David Burry
bro. Cause that was back when you had to. You had to figure it out. Like, it wasn't like. I feel like. I don't think New Yorkers understand how much access they had to that information.
Langston Kerman
Yeah.
David Burry
And how we had to. If we were not. If you were not in New York at that time. You're on weird websites, angel fire websites, bro.
Langston Kerman
You really had to study to feel like you were connected to this music and y' all were learning about it on the train.
David Burry
Yeah.
Langston Kerman
You're just gossiping.
David Burry
And you knew a guy who knew a guy.
Langston Kerman
Yeah, no, very different connection to the whole experience.
David Burry
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's. That's interesting. I never I never thought about that. I guess all music is probably that and it's just whatever you're paying attention to. Cause it's the same with people who don't listen to rap are like, this shit all sounds the same. Which I used to think it was crazy. And then I got older to where I don't listen to as much new rap. And when I tap in, sometimes I'll be like, this shit. That's all sounds.
Langston Kerman
Yeah, no, I.
David Burry
That's what a genre is.
Langston Kerman
Yeah, you have to kind of make it. You have to give it an energy. It's. It's afrobeat. Sounds the same to me for all their music. But I bet if I'm really diving into it, then it's unique and sort of specific and each person has their own sound and shit and I don't
David Burry
have to dive into it. That's the fun part. I used to get mad about people, but it's like, nah, that's some shit I don't pay attention to. I don't know. I don't know what the. What the equivalent is. But that's all hippity hop over there. That's all boopity scoop and whatever. I don't give a fuck. Whatever, who cares? There's a bunch of music out there. You don't have to pay attention to my shit.
Langston Kerman
We should take a break. We haven't done anything for this episode. We've been talking for a long time, mostly about nothing. But we're gonna take a quick break and we're gonna come back with more David Moore links than more My Mama Told Me.
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Langston Kerman
Now, who sent you?
David Burry
Who sent me? The record company. I'm trying to take some steps. This is interesting. Let's wrap. I feel like we could wrap it up on this. Here's one thing about music that I always feel weird is like to enjoy music so much and not know anything about actual music. Oh, that. It kind of bothers me because I told you I went. I told you about it. I went to the. I went to the symphony on mushrooms.
Langston Kerman
Yes.
David Burry
It was like a transformative experience. Changed the idea of what I even thought music is or was or could be and the type of emotion that it could convey outside of lyrics. Right. Like truly like a wow. I didn't even understand. But I still listen to gunplay when I walk the dog.
Langston Kerman
Here's what I'll say. And I am. Now I'm regretting my earlier comments about them not having them not making art. I do think that art is. And again, I didn't mean it sincerely. I was being nanny, nanny, boo boo type boy.
David Burry
But also I do want to say we talk shit on here. Sometimes we think Sean Paul is Chinese, sometimes we don't. You just gotta deal with that.
Langston Kerman
I will say though, that I do think it speaks to the ability to convey emotion without words and how powerful that can be. Right. That like there is like the ability to make a breakup song and not say, hey, we're breaking up out loud is fucking crazy. To make someone feel that emotional journey of like, damn, I was in love and now that heart is broken. That's fucking crazy to be able to put on a violin and not also have lyrics with it.
David Burry
Yeah, I think that's. I think to me it's the more amazing thing because then sometimes I feel like the amount of research you have to do to even understand pop, not just hip hop, but like pop, pop culture, it's just like I don't have to know about 30 other things that happen to enjoy this piece of classical music. You know what I mean? I don't have to. I don't even have to understand music particularly. And I think in that the idea that you could use that to cut across to all groups is like pretty, pretty amazing.
Langston Kerman
Yeah, no, it speaks to the talent of what musicianship is. And I think if I can defend gunplay for a moment.
David Burry
No, I'm on Gunplay though. I listen to.
Langston Kerman
No, I don't mean that defend him for you, but more for the grander conversation that we're having. I think what that also offers is a type of emotionality and a type of journey from your own experience that is so necessary for artistry as well. That part of what you turn to musicians for is to feel less present in your own body for a moment and just get to be lost in the fantasy of someone else's life and experience. And I think, you know, music can be both masterful, like an orchestra and it can be just some fun ass hood rat shit like gunplay.
David Burry
That's true, man. And it doesn't have to be. I mean, at the end of the day it's kind of just synthesizing emotion. Right. And however you do that. So I guess ultimately what we're landing on here is there is no good or bad art.
Langston Kerman
There's no good or bad art.
David Burry
Nothing matters.
Langston Kerman
Yeah, go to hallelujah.
David Burry
Watch a comedy show. Who gives a fuck?
Langston Kerman
I think it's all subjective, and unfortunately, we don't all agree with us.
David Burry
Yeah. And that's fine.
Langston Kerman
Yeah. I really wish. And let me make this clear. I really wish y' all niggas had better taste.
David Burry
See, but what does that mean? Cause you love Bruno Mars, and a lot of people hate that.
Langston Kerman
And I think they're wrong. And I think. I think history will come to prove that they are wrong. I accept them as they are. I will continue to love y' all niggas the way you are, but you are wrong.
David Burry
Uptown gon funk you up. That's it. That's the top tier.
Langston Kerman
I just don't know how else to explain this. You're wrong, your taste is bad, but I love you anyway.
David Burry
And that's the fun of it, right? Exactly what you just said. That's the fun of it. I'm right, you're wrong in this thing that ultimately doesn't matter, and we can. And maybe that's all we need. You know what I mean? Sometimes I get mad at myself for not having crazy because as a creator, you want to be able to have as much. Have as many inputs so that your output is as interesting as possible. So sometimes I get mad at myself for not having eclectic taste. But maybe the fact that I don't like the Beatles is my eclectic taste and that the group war doesn't speak to me is part of my input and output. But you gotta give it all a chance. You gotta at least listen to it.
Langston Kerman
Things can only be great with. With something opposing it.
David Burry
Yeah.
Langston Kerman
And we are the opposition. We are. We are part of that wall that allows something else to thrive, even if I don't agree with it.
David Burry
Yeah, man. We are good at bullshit, boy. That's about it. It's about 45 minutes of not a goddamn thing being said.
Langston Kerman
We wasted a lot of time here. We had other plans. None of it happened. But, man, good conversation. I feel.
David Burry
Yeah, I had a great time. I think we. You know, we'll probably go listen to some cowboy songs later.
Langston Kerman
You want to tell the people where they can find you what cool shit you got going on?
David Burry
Cool guy jokes. 87 on Instagram. Patreon.com davidbourry Buy my special. It's so good. You've never seen. That's the great art you're looking for, where all the great art is. That's it. It's on patreon.com davidborry Birth of a nation with a G. That's that's the high art you'll find.
Langston Kerman
Think about it. Think about it.
David Burry
What you've been looking for. And you don't even have to get any references. You just have to know. You know, my reference is easy. My show's easy to watch.
Langston Kerman
I would say Birth of a Nation, probably. You have to know something right up top from the title.
David Burry
You don't have to know what that is, though, to enjoy the special.
Langston Kerman
But then why with the G?
David Burry
Oh. Cause I think it's funny, Right?
Langston Kerman
Well, that's the. You have to go like, okay, but why would he name it this with the G? And then you have to know the original. There's layers to it.
David Burry
It's also like, because to me, it was in my shitty artist brain in the way that Birth of a Nation was a moonshot and ultimately a monumental push forward in what the genre was. I like to think of my own thing is that it's very narcissistic. It's very, very evil. And not necessarily in the whole game of comedy, but in what I do. It seemed like a moonshot and a huge leap forward to what I was doing a few years ago.
Langston Kerman
Yeah, I get it. We're all egomaniacs. And I felt the same way where I was like, yeah, this is gonna probably change the whole landscape, I think.
David Burry
And you have to. You have to feel. Even if it doesn't, who cares, right? Yeah. But you do have to feel that way because it's like a high bar. It's difficult to put something out in an oversaturated market and still feel like you're doing something artistically relevant. So it's like, you gotta have that. You gotta feel like nobody's ever gonna do some shit like you did. And to be honest, I've never, ever seen anybody do the top shot that I used in my special. So maybe I am. Maybe I am as great as I think I am. Spend the $12 and find out.
Langston Kerman
Hey, man, nobody's. Nobody's flirting with old men on the Internet the way I do it.
David Burry
I never seen it happen once, And
Langston Kerman
I dare y' all niggas to try. You can follow me at Langston Kerman on all social media platforms. You can watch my special. It's called Bad Poetry. It's on Netflix. You can see me live. I'll be in Vancouver for the JFL Vancouver edition in February. You can see me at Burlington in Burlington, Vermont, in March. I'll get those specific dates soon so that I can say them more appropriately. But. But figure it out. I Don't know my fuckers. It ain't that hard. The Internet is fast and pretty navigable at this point. And if you want to send us your own drops, your own conspiracy theories, if you want to tell us what is the best music and what is the worst music, send it all to my mamapodmail.com give us a call at 844. Lil moms, we want to talk to you. Buy the merch. Call your senators just to chat. Stop calling them with your problems. Yeah, just call them just to check in.
David Burry
Maybe see how he's doing. How about that?
Langston Kerman
Hey. Hey, Joe Manchin.
David Burry
I was thinking about you. How about that? Start with that.
Langston Kerman
I'm not here to yell at you, man. I know you're a secret Republican and you're truly tanking the party you claim to represent. But hey, how are the kids? Love on each other. Put the fires out. Bye bye.
David Burry
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Episode: "45 Minutes of Not A Goddamn Thing Motherf_ckin Mini Episode (Re-Release)"
Release Date: April 30, 2026
Hosts: Langston Kerman & David Gborie
This "Motherf_ckin Mini Episode" delivers exactly what the title promises: about 45 minutes of hilarious, loosely guided conversation between comedians Langston Kerman and David Gborie. In a freewheeling style, the hosts exchange memories, commentary, and satirical takes on Black culture, music, style trends, charity, business, and art—with barely a conspiracy theory in sight. The tone is unfiltered, honest, and distinctly playful, offering listeners a front-row seat to two old friends riffing on whatever comes to mind.
| Timestamp | Topic / Quote | |---------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:06–06:15 | Nostalgia for Flo Rida / Double T-shirts / Hip-hop trends | | 09:13–11:12 | Lavar Ball: Fatherhood, Hustles, and Black Success | | 13:32–14:25 | Reflections on Charity and the Proof Burden (“Our responsibility...is to just care”) | | 16:17–18:26 | Why the Rich Don’t Just Give Money Away / Billionaire Memes | | 22:40–24:19 | 50 Cent vs. Trump: Comparing Celebrity “Sharks” | | 25:14–28:29 | 50 Cent vs. Trump: Hypothetical Online Beef | | 29:33–31:48 | Why Don’t White Pop Stars Beef? Taylor Swift, Garth Brooks, and the Art of the Feud | | 35:15–36:07 | Emotional Authenticity in Black Music (even “lies” feel authentic) | | 39:03–40:26 | Cultural Coding in Music: Getting the Inside Story (“You had to study...to feel connected”) | | 48:31–50:57 | Subjectivity of Taste and What Makes Art “Good or Bad” |
If you missed this episode, you missed a master class in comedic chemistry. Langston and David serve up honesty, nostalgia, cultural analysis, and off-the-cuff takes, all anchored in the specificity of Black experiences and American pop culture. The best moments come when their conversation stumbles unselfconsciously into real insight—before tripping straight back into jokes.
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“We are good at bullshit, boy. That’s about it. It’s about 45 minutes of not a goddamn thing being said.” — David Gborie (50:47)