Old MacSilicon Had a Data Farm (w/ Will Miles)

Summary

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Episode Overview

Title: Old MacSilicon Had a Data Farm (w/ Will Miles)
Podcast: My Momma Told Me
Date: July 7, 2026
Hosts: Langston Kerman & David Gborie
Guest: Will Miles

In this lively, insightful episode, comedians Langston Kerman and David Gborie are joined by fellow comic Will Miles to dive deep into the conspiracy theory that every trend on social media is a government psyop. The trio explores the sinister and silly sides of tech, surveillance, data farming, internet fads, and what it means for Black folks. Along the way, they riff on everything from robots beating up kids, to the mechanics of reality TV casting, to who’s really benefiting from the drugs we take—and why Trust No Trend should be the rallying cry.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Robot Violence and Societal Regimes

• [04:02 – 07:40] The hosts open with lighthearted banter about videos showing robots assaulting children in China, using these examples to reflect on technological advancements, desensitization to tech violence, and differences in societal accountability.
  • Langston: “Have you all been seeing these videos of these robots beating the shit out of Chinese kids?” (04:02)
  • David: “That’s why they can’t pull that shit over here.” (07:01)
  • Insight: The group uses these viral clips to question society’s relationship with automation, surveillance, and institutional responses—juxtaposing litigious American culture versus stricter Chinese state control.

2. Every Trend is a Psyop: Internet Paranoia & Data Farming

• [09:33 – 14:53] Will surfaces the conspiracy: “My mama told me that every trend on social media is secretly a psyop from the government.” The conversation blends skepticism, paranoia, and wit about how much online culture is engineered and surveilled.
  • Will: “Everything they do is like farming—you could tell anybody anything and they’ll be like, ‘Yeah, maybe I’m a January 6th guy too.’” (12:05)
  • They discuss the manipulation inherent in subtle internet trends, the ease of “red-pilling,” and how people are guided down belief pipelines not by accident but by design.
  • Langston: “If you just get one [video] that doesn’t feel crazy, you can be suddenly hooked into a world that you don’t want to be.” (13:05)

3. Reality TV as Social Engineering

• [14:39 – 17:54] The trio dissects Love Island and similar reality shows, viewing them as intentional psyops to normalize ideas (like Black love, interracial relationships), stoke trends, and collect viewership data.
  • Will: “Love Island is a psyop as well... the more you show Black love, I’ll be like, oh, well, this is... let’s watch.” (14:39–15:37)
  • They debate whether trends on reality TV are accidental or calculated efforts to influence social sentiment and participation.

4. Social Media Trends as Data Mining & Behavioral Engineering

• [17:59 – 23:12] Dissection of viral challenges (e.g., "show a picture from 2013") as tools for data harvesting—ranging from facial recognition to personal history aggregation.
  • Will: “At least [the old apps] respected us enough to create an even exchange... now they just go, ‘Give me the information. Don’t cheat.’” (20:03)
  • David: “It’s so wild how we’re letting these robots talk to us... I wouldn’t let anyone talk to me like that.” (20:29)
  • They reflect on generational divides in internet skepticism—older folks eschewing digital traces, while younger generations trade privacy for fleeting dopamine hits.

5. The Black Community, Secrets, and Information Security

• [30:12 – 31:30] Will advocates for Black digital self-preservation:
  • Will: “We gotta stop giving our information up... that protection [melanin, hair, cultural secrets], go further with it.” (30:12)
  • Discussion on "the cookout" as a metaphor for cultural gatekeeping—there always needs to be things Black people keep out of the wider (especially surveilled) public domain.

6. Industry Plants, Celebrity, and Luck in Show Business

• [47:30 – 53:44] Extended riffing on who makes it as an “industry plant,” whether it’s actually a big conspiracy or just a mixture of talent, right place/right time, and malleability.
  • Will: “I think even [industry plants] don’t know... they have no idea.” (49:38)
  • Langston: "You may not be talented like you want them to be, but, man, are they good at the shit that they pretend to be good at.” (51:52)
  • They use Chris Tucker and Kevin Hart’s rapid career ascensions as examples both mysterious and mundane.

7. Mental Health Meds & Societal Productivity (Listener Voicemail)

• [59:06 – 64:33] Listener voicemail wonders whether the widespread white use of antidepressants (e.g., Lexapro) is an “open secret,” a productivity hack that Black communities are excluded from due to stigma.
  • Langston: “Being less horny makes you more productive.” (61:21)
  • Will: “I’m on Lexapro, and as a Black person, you’re always like: what are they trying to do to me?” (63:34)
  • They discuss the double-edged sword of drug prescription: a means of sedating and “optimizing” populations, but often an indiscriminate solution that doesn’t fit everyone.
  • Langston: “They don’t need to force us [Black folks] to ingest the most dangerous drugs—they’ve already got us. What they need is for us to buy and sell them.” (65:47)

8. The Job Market, Merit, and Social Climbing Hilarity

• [23:46 – 24:58] Tangents on working menial jobs, the hostility between young employees and young managers, the oddities of referencing, and getting hired as a marker of arbitrary success.
  • Will: “If you’re working for a genius who’s 14—it’s like, okay, I’ll listen to you. But you’re like a genius!” (24:58)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Langston (on robot violence):

  “He winds up so much, he fuckin' spins around and kicks the shit out of that kid and no one moves a muscle.” (05:15)

• Will (about reality TV as psyop):

  “Love Island is a psyop as well. Obviously, they recognize that the US version is Black... I am, like, I was watching the other night and I’m like, you notice how there’s a lot of black people on here? Like, they know what’s up...” (14:39–15:14)

• Langston (the futility of social media trends):

  “We finally work to prove—you guessed it—not a God damn thing.” (03:08)

• David (on trend data mining):

  “It always feels like, how does this... not just gathering information?” (18:41)

• Will (on Black digital protection):

  “We gotta stop giving our information up... nobody’s special cookout invite. The cookout—nobody’s invited! That’s a special cookout.” (30:12–30:53)

• David (on industry plant luck):

  “Yeah, yeah, I had a little fun. I made a run at it. Good, bad or sad, you know, I was in the game.” (52:44)

• Langston (on productivity and drugs):

  “I think being less horny makes you more productive.” (61:21)

• Will (on psyops and trends):

  “Every trend is a psyop from the government. It is.” (10:01)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [04:02] – Robots beating up kids and the implications of tech violence
• [09:33] – Will’s conspiracy theory: every trending challenge is a government psyop
• [14:39] – Reality TV as deliberate social engineering and psyop
• [17:59] – Social media data mining: viral challenges and facial recognition
• [30:12] – Black digital self-preservation and the metaphor of "the cookout"
• [47:30] – Industry plants, sudden fame, and how much is luck versus conspiracy
• [59:06] – Listener voicemail about antidepressants, productivity, and racial gaps
• [61:21] – The group’s take on horniness, productivity, and meds
• [65:47] – The role of Black drug dealers, big pharma, and the criminalization of drugs

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Takeaways & Flow

The hosts and their guest bring their signature blend of cultural critique, irreverent humor, and deep skepticism—never losing sight of how these “conspiracies” are both powerful explanations and hilarious coping tools for Black folks in a world saturated with surveillance, data mining, and manufactured trends. The episode flows effortlessly as each topic—robots, reality TV, internet challenges, Black digital privacy, industry plants, and mental health—reveals another layer of how power, productivity, and performance shape modern Black life.

Listeners will walk away both laughing and thinking harder about who’s really running “the culture”—and just how much of it is out of our hands.

Transcript

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David]

But.

[Will Miles]

Are you on Royal Crackers? Don't tell.

[Langston Kerman]

He is not me. Yeah, I don't do that.

[Will Miles]

Yes, you do.

[Caller]

You're on.

[Will Miles]

Come on, brother.

[Langston Kerman]

Ain't no crackers royal in my book.

[David]

He kissed a guy several times.

[Langston Kerman]

Hey.

[Will Miles]

A white man out here kissing white men.

[Langston Kerman]

That was all part of the plan, brother. A shame you can't see the bigger picture.

[Will Miles]

They supposed to be educating us. Oh, man, I'll teach you.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, sorry, bro. I thought you was free.

[David]

All right, all right.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, you'll kick it off. Nah, it's him. We're not starting with that. I mean, let's cut that in.

[David]

Yeah, Yeah, I think it was pretty funny. Yeah, we could do whatever we want now.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, really? We should still do a traditional intro, right?

[David]

Yeah, I just mean we can. We're not, like, beholden to any. Yeah, that's Any schedule or type of thing. Damn, we're free.

[Langston Kerman]

Damn, we're free.

[David]

Free men out here.

[Langston Kerman]

Fuck.

[Caller]

Mm.

[David]

Well, see how that goes, everybody.

[Will Miles]

The reconstruction era of.

[Langston Kerman]

Well, welcome, little mamas and gentiles alike, to another phenomenal episode of My Mama

[David]

Told Me the podcast where we dive deep into the pockets of black conspiracy.

[Langston Kerman]

Theor we finally work to prove. You guessed it, not a God damn thing.

[David]

Got nothing for you.

[Will Miles]

Mm.

[David]

And that's okay. And how Langston's been trying out some new catchphrases.

[Langston Kerman]

You gotta throw some new shit in every once in a while.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

See what happens?

[Will Miles]

Yeah, you're pulling out the Shirley Temple catchphrase.

[Langston Kerman]

That little bitch might've been onto something.

[David]

Shirley Temple.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, exactly.

[Will Miles]

Please say the black

[Langston Kerman]

make my grenadine with black cherry. We simply must begin by speaking about this. This has been on my heart heavy as of late.

[David]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Have you all been seeing these videos of these robots beating the shit out of Chinese kids?

[David]

I saw the one get kicked. Well, I saw that little boy get kicked bad.

[Langston Kerman]

Thank you for asking.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, I have not.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm so glad that you haven't seen it. Isaac, our producer, may be aware that I've already sent him a number of videos. But because of the,

[Will Miles]

I guess the

[Langston Kerman]

circumstances we live in with the robots, they're doing all these displays of what the robots can do. And now the robots are beating the shit out of children. Okay, so this is the one that David is speaking of with the robots.

[Will Miles]

Robot with a afro wig on.

[Langston Kerman]

Yep.

[Will Miles]

It's the way the kid grabbed his.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[David]

You know, that hurts so bad.

[Will Miles]

Exactly. It was so unexpected, too. Like what?

[David]

It was like an anime. Yeah,

[Will Miles]

you really did. The thing that my intrusive thought told me was about you actually kick me. I would have kicked me if I was a robot, too.

[Langston Kerman]

He winds up so much, he fogging spins around and kicks the shit out of that kid and no one moves a muscle.

[David]

That's what the crazy thing about the video is to me. They almost try to hide the boy who's crying.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, they're like, you know, I mean, which is like.

[David]

That's how, you know, they ride for China.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, exactly. They were like, don't believe the hype. You didn't see that?

[Caller]

No.

[David]

The world's going to tell you. We're out here kicking kids in the chest robots.

[Will Miles]

Not true. Not true. That was. No, no, no.

[Langston Kerman]

That kid was an. The robot could sense it. Yeah, he kicked him in his stomach before he became a worst guy.

[Will Miles]

Also, what was the robot supposed to be doing?

[David]

I don't know. Karate. I think he was supposed to be doing karate.

[Langston Kerman]

The robot probably asked, hey, what do y' all want me to do out there? And they say, just go crazy, robot.

[Will Miles]

Wing it. All right, well, we're in China. I'm be racist.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I'm gonna do karate.

[Will Miles]

Robots. That's the takeaway.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay, so that's one example.

[Will Miles]

What would a robot do in the

[Langston Kerman]

hood, though, of the robot videos I found? Get it all out if you.

[Will Miles]

No, no, no, I got nothing. I'm just saying the robot is racist.

[Langston Kerman]

Well, that's what I'M worried about is that, is that. Here is a second instance of robot on display beating the shit out of kids.

[Will Miles]

Look at the kid is worried.

[Langston Kerman]

Already fucking knows. Oh, shit.

[Will Miles]

Nope, nope, nope, nope.

[Langston Kerman]

And it hits this one too.

[Will Miles]

It stop.

[Langston Kerman]

It's a double slap.

[Will Miles]

A double robot slap.

[Langston Kerman]

Another.

[Will Miles]

Oh, man, if my kid got slapped by a robot, she. We'd be rich.

[David]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

Really great. Thanks.

[Langston Kerman]

And that is, that is where I worry.

[David]

That's why they can't pull that shit over here.

[Langston Kerman]

That's why I worry for the citizens of China. Is that because there's not going to be any accountability for these robot beatings.

[Will Miles]

They need to be more litigious.

[David]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

Or not live in that regime.

[Langston Kerman]

Maybe.

[Will Miles]

I don't know. But yeah, like I don't know what the solve is. I don't know.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't know.

[Will Miles]

I don't know the exact.

[Langston Kerman]

Here's what I'll say. I don't know that we're not living in a regime.

[Will Miles]

We are, aren't we?

[Langston Kerman]

I think we live in a very nasty regime.

[Will Miles]

A litigious regime.

[David]

He loves it.

[Langston Kerman]

I think we could both use for some balancing. I think. Yeah, I think we deserve a little bit of that China. And China deserves a little bit of what we got.

[Will Miles]

That's how my great grandparents met,

[Caller]

baby.

[Langston Kerman]

I deserve a little of that China. Look, look, it's been cool being with you, Doreen, but I gotta have a

[Will Miles]

little bit of that China. You are right. The black is black, the black is woman and the man is the Chinese. But Doreen is a grandma name. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

For. For sure Will. You came to us today.

[Will Miles]

Yes.

[Langston Kerman]

With a conspiracy and we haven't even introduced you.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, we have no need.

[Langston Kerman]

We haven't said a word. Our guest today, you know him from. From Stars of Stage. Star of Scream.

[Will Miles]

What?

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

You do stand up comedy.

[Will Miles]

Oh, yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true.

[David]

We did our half hours together.

[Will Miles]

Yeah. I got the bag. Look, it's a good bag, honestly. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

A beautiful vestige of Comedy Central.

[Will Miles]

Comedy Central rip. This is a vintage bag now.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[David]

We were gonna get rich.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, right. I remember thinking that I'm on Comedy Central.

[Announcer]

Wow.

[Will Miles]

This is gonna be forever.

[Langston Kerman]

I thought those bags might be jet packs.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, right, right.

[Langston Kerman]

I got eyes on those. I said I'm going straight to the moon, baby.

[Will Miles]

We'll never die.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, absolutely.

[David]

I'm never gonna get sick again.

[Will Miles]

Cable T. What year is it?

[Langston Kerman]

It's the first thing you grab in a fire.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, exactly. Oh, I need this. Also my dad. Child and pictures.

[Langston Kerman]

Will Miles is here with us today. The ever talented Will Miles. Will, you came to us with your beautiful bag and with the conspiracy theory

[David]

that

[Langston Kerman]

we've broadened a little bit from your original pitch. But I think it's gonna help us get into some pretty interesting, nasty, difficult conversations. But you said that every trend on the Internet, social media specifically. My mama told me that every trend on social media is secretly a. What's a psyop. A psyop from the government.

[Will Miles]

It is.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

And here's the thing. My dad, may he rest in peace and soul. Whatever he always said. I don't know how the phrasing, that's all that means.

[Langston Kerman]

But he may his soul do.

[Will Miles]

What's his soul do? Peace.

[Langston Kerman]

And it be peaceful. Where it at if it come back?

[David]

Cool, cool, cool.

[Langston Kerman]

That'd be cool. I like that. But may it be where it is.

[Caller]

Always.

[Will Miles]

He hated the Internet. Didn't trust it.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

Also, he didn't put. Put, you know, like, names in his phone. I. I just hit me recently that he didn't put people's names. He just had numbers.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, you would just recognize the number.

[Will Miles]

So I would see, you know, like, you're like, wait, where's Julia? And it's like, I gotta actually type in her number to texture. That just clicked in my mind because I also know a private investigator now. And I looked at his phone the other day just because he was next to me.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

And I happened to look down and it was all numbers. I'm like, well, you're a private investigator, so like.

[Langston Kerman]

But that reminded you of.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, I was like. Was my dad a private investigator? That's.

[David]

That's. That's a crazy question. Yeah.

[Will Miles]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

That's such a nose. That's such a beautiful and complicated articulation of, like, the mourning process.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, you are. I think we often think about, like, missing somebody and these reminders of them being like. Oh, it's a reminder of, like, an emotional state.

[Will Miles]

Oh, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Like an experience I had with them. But the reminders can also come just from like, a crazy dude having no. No number saved.

[Will Miles]

Yes.

[Langston Kerman]

And being like, damn, my dad was crazy.

[David]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

Exactly. Everything he's got, I got. It's like. So I'm like. You might see my phone and be like, you have no names in there.

[David]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Will Miles]

I don't need to recognize the important ones.

[Langston Kerman]

That's the honor of my pappy.

[Will Miles]

Exactly. Right up here. But he hated the Internet, so part of that was like. Also like, he's like, I don't really want my picture on there. And we all respected that. Like, okay, we're not going to throw you up there.

[David]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

It's like, okay. When we need to. Like, he was in politics in Chicago and stuff. So he's been on tv.

[Langston Kerman]

He could exist, but he preferred not to be.

[Will Miles]

But he's like, I don't trust that, though. Like, the Internet is not cool tv. Sure. I'm fine being on that. But.

[David]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

And there's something about that. I mean, everything they do is like farming, you know, because look at the power of the Internet. It's like, oh, man, you could tell anybody anything and then they'll be like, yeah, Maybe I'm a January 6th guy too.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Announcer]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

It's like, I'm gonna jump on that just because you said this. Yeah, let's go kill the pres. The. The government. It's like, what, you got that from the Internet? We should burn the.

[David]

It's not even hard to get that far. Not even from my Explore page to that sentiment. Not as many steps as I would like.

[Will Miles]

I know, right?

[Caller]

Yeah. Seriously.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David]

I'd rather a further distance.

[Langston Kerman]

I could easily get red pilled if I let it.

[Will Miles]

Cause they know you're. I mean, I just.

[David]

You guys are. They know how to red pill you. Exactly.

[Will Miles]

That's the problem.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm already playing over there too much. Do you know what I mean? Like, in a way that I feel in control of, but certainly I'm a.

[David]

Where.

[Will Miles]

Right. Right.

[David]

But you're over there looking at their crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm looking at their crazy.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

God damn, that's crazy. You. If you just get one that doesn't feel crazy, you can suddenly be hooked into a world that you don't want to be.

[Will Miles]

It's like somebody was trying to explain Spencer Pratt helping people with drug problems and helping Crips.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

On my page. And I was like, why are you telling me about Spencer Pratt helping Crips? Like, you think I'm. That's going to be. Yeah, it is something that might be like, I'm. I'm kind of interested in that. So, like. But you're not about to make me want to vote for Spencer Pratt. But that's what they're doing. Right.

[David]

They frame it like the way they. You. I feel like the way you even get to it is by the idea of you doing your own research.

[Langston Kerman]

There it is.

[David]

That's how they. That's. That's how the whole pipeline gets over it.

[Langston Kerman]

It's not that they expect you to vote For Spencer Pratt. They expect Spencer Pratt to be the introduction to the guy they can get you to vote.

[Will Miles]

Yes, exactly.

[Langston Kerman]

They know he's too crazy.

[Will Miles]

Exactly.

[Langston Kerman]

If you would have liked him, you would have liked him off jump. That's how Spencer Pratt works.

[Will Miles]

Oh, man, that's so true.

[Langston Kerman]

You just heard his name and you were like, yep, I like that.

[Will Miles]

That don't bother me at all.

[Langston Kerman]

But for the next guy who's a little less of that and a little bit more of like a classy reality TV show host or participant, whatever, that's the one that you suddenly buy into.

[Will Miles]

Somebody from Love Island. Cordell from Love Island. A reasonable man, you know, hey, he's got a brother who's kind of crazy, you know, but he found his footing.

[David]

He's.

[Will Miles]

He's good. Yeah. He's like, no, listen, for Cordell.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, Cordell's.

[Will Miles]

Especially if he had stayed with her. But I heard they broke up. But this is too much insight into.

[Langston Kerman]

They're young.

[Will Miles]

Love island.

[Langston Kerman]

They're going to figure it out.

[Will Miles]

By the way, Love island is a psyop as well. Obviously, they recognize that the US Version is black. They're like, we're throwing black bombshells. Everybody's black. We're going to put Megan the stallion on here. She's obviously a huge fan of the show.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

Nicolandrea is, you know, interracial Love. We're going to. To promote that. Not there's anything wrong with that, obviously, but it is, like, that is what's going on. I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan. But I am, like, I. I was watching the other night, and I'm like, you notice how there's a lot of black people on here? Like, they know what's up.

[David]

Like, more proportionately.

[Will Miles]

Yes.

[David]

Than there are on shows like that.

[Will Miles]

Absolutely. Like, you watch Love Island UK and it's, you know, a representation of uk, but you watch here, you're like, it's a lot more black people than I think that they would want us to win.

[Langston Kerman]

I think they had two seasons go pretty crazy with black people. And I think they're betting now on that being a more constant bet.

[Will Miles]

It's smart. It's got me.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

The more you show black love, I'll be like, oh, well, this is. Let's watch a little different. Yeah, it's a little different that I'm not seeing like this.

[David]

Let's see what he. Where he's gonna spit that belt.

[Will Miles]

I'm not immediately saying these are dumb, dumb motherfuckers. I'm not.

[Langston Kerman]

I want to see him spit like a real nigga. Yeah.

[Will Miles]

Exact.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I love you, girl.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, man.

[Will Miles]

Just kissing. That's all they do is kiss.

[Langston Kerman]

All they do is kiss. But boy, do they kiss hard.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, they kiss so hard.

[Langston Kerman]

They kiss hard and they kiss long. I was thinking about how crazy it was watching this show the other night of the speed at which they kiss each other.

[Will Miles]

So you watch it too, obviously.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I'm in. I'm not proud to watch it. I actually never really volunteer it, but my wife watches it and I'm not. Not better than her.

[Will Miles]

Yes. You know what I mean, man?

[David]

That was a really good way.

[Will Miles]

That's so good.

[David]

That was the perfect way for you to put that.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I. I really.

[David]

You have completely absolved yourself.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, I know. I would say that's my intro to Love island now. I'm just solid, a solid fan.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm just in it.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

And I. Yeah. I can't even bring myself to say I'm a fan, but that probably is cowardice leading more than. Since.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, I know so much at this point.

[Will Miles]

I know. And it's so good and.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, it is. It's quite. It's. It's quite engaging.

[Will Miles]

And you get, like, on people's sides. It doesn't make any sense, but.

[Langston Kerman]

So when you say a psyop, what do you think the ultimate intentions of a government is as it relates to Love island or even social media trends in general?

[David]

More kissing.

[Will Miles]

I think it's like. Well, I was told also. What did you say? More kissing.

[David]

More kiss. More kissing.

[Will Miles]

More kissing all around, too. More hardcore kissing.

[Langston Kerman]

Mr. President, we are looking at the numbers. These people aren't kissing.

[David]

Kissing's way down.

[Will Miles]

I've never seen Donald Trump kiss anyone.

[Langston Kerman]

No.

[Will Miles]

Like, I don't want to at all.

[Langston Kerman]

Disgusting.

[Will Miles]

His biggest fan doesn't want to see him.

[David]

I'm 50. 50. I bet he doesn't do it.

[Will Miles]

Exactly.

[David]

No way. No kisses. I bet you he doesn't because he's cheap.

[Will Miles]

It's extra money, right?

[David]

Yeah. I bet he doesn't kiss anybody.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, yeah. I believe that for sure.

[David]

Like. Like babies, old people. I don't think that guy. Grandpa.

[Langston Kerman]

Grandpa Trump.

[Will Miles]

Don't kiss Grandpa. They're not calling him Grandpa.

[Langston Kerman]

Mr. Trump.

[Will Miles]

Yes, sir, President, sir.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah, Grandpa. President Trump don't President.

[Will Miles]

We see as much as. As we see people on TV sometimes.

[David]

Like almighty Master of the deal.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Jeff's friend.

[Will Miles]

Don't kiss. It's not a crime if you don't kiss

[Langston Kerman]

your problem. Jeffrey, you said you were loving them.

[Will Miles]

Their lips never touch anywhere above us. All right, all right.

[Langston Kerman]

But. But you think the intention.

[Will Miles]

You're free now. You can say anything.

[Langston Kerman]

No, you think the intention of the government is. Is what? In this case, I think it's.

[Will Miles]

I think it's data farming right now.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

At least the. The Internet stuff where they're like, show us you 10 years ago. It's like, for what? There's no reason for me to show you me 10 years ago.

[David]

Yeah, that's how I feel too. It always feels like, how does this. Not just gathering information.

[Will Miles]

Exactly. You haven't shown me anything fun.

[David]

Especially. Especially when it's super broad. Like, let's see a picture of you in 2013. No cheating. And you'.

[Will Miles]

Like, the.

[David]

Is no cheating.

[Will Miles]

What do you mean by this?

[David]

And why.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, this.

[David]

How does this not feel like me giving you a picture of myself for no reason? Like. Like. But vanity taps in sometimes because you're like, I was going crazy. 2013.

[Will Miles]

I know, I know. Honestly, 2013 was a good year for me. My body was on point. I was broke as

[David]

I was up in the city.

[Will Miles]

Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I was outside every night.

[Will Miles]

Me too. Me too. Non stop.

[David]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now this is just turning sad.

[Will Miles]

But I know, right? This is 13 years ago we're talking about.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

It wasn't gonna be a good story.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, no, no, no. 13 years for somebody is like high school. It's like, boys are favorite parts of adulthood.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, no, we'll watch, baby.

[Will Miles]

Exactly.

[Langston Kerman]

No, but I. I do. The mining of information does feel very real. There was a period in the beginning where it was like, at least respectful enough to create the apps where they made you look old or made you look baby, and they'd start those trends

[Will Miles]

where that was farming too. But yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[Langston Kerman]

But they were respecting us enough to make it an even exchange. Yes, you can have my face, but in exchange, I get to see what I'd look like. Gray and old.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, silly. It's not fair.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. I'm not saying it's truly even, but it is. Them offering us something in exchange, and then alternatively now they just go, give me the information.

[David]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Don't cheat.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, don't upset me is the weirdest part of it all. It's like, what are you saying to me?

[David]

So wild how we're letting these robots talk to us.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, yeah. Like, I wouldn't let anyone talk to me like that. Don't cheat. Are you fucking. I'll punch you in the fucking face.

[David]

Who the fuck are you?

[Will Miles]

Yeah. Nobody tells me. Don't cheat. I don't live here. I live here. Yeah, all right. Right, right.

[David]

Shut the fuck up.

[Will Miles]

It's like, I have a doc. Documented problem with authority.

[David]

It's on paper.

[Langston Kerman]

See my photo album? Like a man.

[Will Miles]

I'll pull it up. My manager at Ruby Tuesday, who I snapped on in Atlanta.

[David]

The specificity of it.

[Will Miles]

Oh, yeah, for sure, David.

[Langston Kerman]

Ruby Tuesday.

[Will Miles]

Yeah.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Good for you.

[Will Miles]

And when I failed college, I worked at Ruby Tuesdays. Well, I. I didn't.

[Caller]

I.

[Will Miles]

You know, I ended up passing eventually. But I did say you. You have a. I have a degree.

[David]

Yeah, sure.

[Will Miles]

I think I do. Yeah, I do. I have a degree.

[Announcer]

All right.

[Will Miles]

I didn't walk or anything, but I have a degree that was mailed to me. It was mailed me because we weren't sure. It was like, I already missed the graduation that everybody else from my class went to.

[David]

Yeah, okay.

[Will Miles]

Because I was like, I'm not going to. You guys don't want to come down here.

[Langston Kerman]

You didn't even. You didn't even do a I'll walk but then I'll finish later situation.

[Will Miles]

They wouldn't let me do that.

[David]

Wow. Oh, they were like.

[Will Miles]

They were like, you got classes. You still gotta, like.

[Langston Kerman]

You were close.

[Will Miles]

No, I wasn't even close. They were like, you have so much school. What are you talking about? We're not leaving. You walk.

[Langston Kerman]

You like, brother, you just got here.

[Will Miles]

Exactly.

[Langston Kerman]

You work at Ruby Tuesday.

[Will Miles]

Now is when you work at Ruby Tuesdays.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yes. Yes. And my dad was like, you will not be coming home, obviously, until you finish. So I was like. I was like, oh, I'll finish. I got this. And I worked at Ruby Tuesdays to pay for the bills and stuff.

[Langston Kerman]

That's cool.

[Will Miles]

Yeah. It was a good lesson. It was like, okay, good. I don't like working. Like, I should do something where I, like, do less work.

[Langston Kerman]

I gotta figure this out.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David]

Ruby's Ruby Tuesdays, I feel like, is a lot of work.

[Will Miles]

It is. And the bathrooms are, like, you know, they're. It's, like, alarming.

[David]

I see a gas station cleaning the bathrooms.

[Will Miles]

Disgusting.

[Langston Kerman]

Ruby Tuesday's problem was that y' all

[Will Miles]

had that salad buffet, and I was head of the salad bar.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David]

Salad bar. Okay.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

The salad bar was unfocused. Yes. It had too much stuff.

[Will Miles]

Yes.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, it was. It was a super salad bar.

[Caller]

Oh.

[David]

I kind of like an unfocused salad

[Will Miles]

bar

[Langston Kerman]

employees need, like, a nightmare.

[Will Miles]

Yeah. And honestly, as a customer, you should be a little concerned because it's like, there's so many things over there that need different refrigeration temperatures.

[Caller]

Yes.

[Will Miles]

And it's like, that's crazy that we're just. It's all right here. A lot of.

[Langston Kerman]

A lot of cream dresses.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

That really could have used some. Some extra time.

[Will Miles]

Some ice.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

And if I'm the attendant, it's like, I may focus on that.

[David]

Nice.

[Will Miles]

Sometimes. But I am high.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

And I am upset that I didn't graduate. Yeah. So I was like, I'm not that concerned with, like, this job.

[David]

And Dave's been pushing me all day, and I.

[Will Miles]

And I just found out.

[David]

God, I'm a steal on him.

[Will Miles]

It's also that thing where. It's that thing where you're 22 and he's 23, and you're like. Just because he has five years experience, it's like, yeah, but, like, I went to college. Like, I don't know what you want from me. Like, you're. You're not better than me, though.

[Langston Kerman]

You're like.

[Will Miles]

And I think you think you are.

[Langston Kerman]

You're like a little boy to me, too.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, exactly.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, exactly. We're both stupid. All right.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, yeah.

[Will Miles]

Let's be real here.

[Langston Kerman]

Let's just be respectful of each other.

[Will Miles]

But he was, like, being bossy, and I'm like, you're not my boss.

[David]

You're like, managers within your same age range are a special kind of devil. Yeah. It doesn't work when you're, like, young like that. It's like, fuck you.

[Will Miles]

100% was fuck you.

[David]

We went to high school together. I know where you took classes.

[Announcer]

Yep.

[Will Miles]

Yep.

[Langston Kerman]

I'll tell you this. It don't get that much different when you get older. Like, having, like, a manager that's, like, around your same age, you still be like, yeah, shut the fuck up, man.

[Will Miles]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Langston Kerman]

Talk to me like a man.

[Will Miles]

Don't let them be younger, too. That's why it must be hard to be a younger, like, boss. Cause I know if. If I was the younger boss, I'd be like, give it to me, everybody. Like, I understand. Yeah, I suck, man. Yeah. I suck. I gotta suck. I'm telling you.

[David]

New shit.

[Will Miles]

And I'm younger than you. That's crazy.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[David]

Young boss sucks.

[Will Miles]

Yeah. It's like, that's insane.

[Langston Kerman]

You should be listening to your elders only, boss baby. Funny boss, baby.

[Will Miles]

I would listen to that.

[Langston Kerman]

Well.

[David]

Cause he went all the way back he went. He flipped. He flipped it on its head.

[Langston Kerman]

He shouldn't even be able to talk. And yet here he is talking down to you.

[David]

Yeah, now, hilarious.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David]

That's a physical joke.

[Langston Kerman]

Young boss.

[David]

Young boss.

[Langston Kerman]

That's not cute anymore.

[David]

Young boss. No boss, baby.

[Will Miles]

It's the same when it's like a genius, though. If there's like. If you're working for a genius who's like 14, you're like, okay, I'll listen to you, but you're like a genius.

[Langston Kerman]

Have you worked for any genius? 14. You said it as if it's relatable, as if this was something we could all connect to. And I don't. I haven't had the experience, man. There's not been one 14 year old

[Will Miles]

trying to think of one show. Well, in a way, in all that we worked for the kids, I've taught

[Langston Kerman]

so many 14 year olds, many of whom I considered to be very intelligent, very like, I believed in them. Not one of them motherfuckers did I go, genius.

[David]

Well, the genius ones aren't in class with the 14 year old then maybe that is. They're already.

[Will Miles]

They're in college. They're like got. Who, what's his name?

[David]

Who was that boy doctor?

[Will Miles]

That boy doctor.

[Langston Kerman]

Dr. Malachi love Robinson.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, yeah. He is a.

[Langston Kerman]

You mean Doogie Howser.

[Will Miles]

Oh, right. The real one, you're saying.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, he was made up.

[Will Miles]

Well, real in the sense in that show. He had a degree.

[Langston Kerman]

Actually, Dr. Malachi is the only real doctor that's ever been a boy.

[Will Miles]

And we need to respect that.

[Langston Kerman]

And we. We made a mistake.

[Will Miles]

Well, he should have an honorary degree just for what he's done already.

[David]

Somebody should throw him something.

[Will Miles]

Throw him a ceremony.

[David]

Yeah, give him something. It doesn't have to be a good.

[Will Miles]

No, yeah. Have it be like community college. But he has a doctorate.

[Langston Kerman]

He's healed so many more people than almost all of us. Yes, like almost all of us, I'm saying, in the world.

[Will Miles]

Oh, okay. I was like.

[David]

I said this room, I was like, let me be clear.

[Will Miles]

I've healed no one. So just like he's already way ahead of me.

[David]

Yeah, I've.

[Langston Kerman]

I've used quite a few Band Aids on people.

[Will Miles]

Band Aids and hugs is how I heal. But that's it.

[Langston Kerman]

We're working on emotional healing often, of course. Yeah.

[Will Miles]

Over the data farming.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

But I think that's where it started. Even those old pictures are them getting every intricacy of your face. It's like the Face ID is obviously something they're going to use later on us. Do you feel like you're willingly giving them?

[Langston Kerman]

Do you feel like you've completely escaped? Escaped the trends? Are you not allowing them to farm your data?

[Will Miles]

It's like the things they're doing, I can't control. Probably.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

I'm doing my best. Like, we don't put our daughter online, but that's just because it's like if she wants to make that mistake, she's got to do it later. But it's like, I don't know, like, I think they're probably gonna use your face and without you have no protection. Like, I have at least I froze my credit and stuff like that. You know, it's like that. So I'm like, well, I at least know who to call and I could easily find out because there'll be a charge that I'll look at and be like, what? I didn't buy that.

[Caller]

Right.

[Will Miles]

But if you don't even have a, like a credit karma, you know, how are you going to check? So, yeah, that's kind of why we do it. It's like, I don't want your identity stolen before we could even figure out how to like. Yeah, right. Yeah. You don't even have one yet.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah, no, I, we, we similarly have taken a big step back.

[David]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

From posting especially.

[Will Miles]

Well, these are the ages that they're where they start looking like they're going to always look.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. And.

[David]

Oh, that's a really good point.

[Will Miles]

Right. I never thought about that. Like babies, whatever. Nobody looks like a baby.

[David]

Yeah, that's a really. But like, but now, that's like 20 years now. You're gonna be like, that's that guy.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, that's it. You look at yourself at five, you're like, yeah, that's you at five.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. White people still be transforming.

[Will Miles]

For sure.

[Langston Kerman]

I have trouble.

[David]

I think they have more stages.

[Announcer]

They do.

[David]

I think they go through more physical.

[Will Miles]

I mean, it feels like if we can get racist a little bit. I mean, I think.

[Langston Kerman]

And, and yes.

[Will Miles]

And why not? Right? It's shocking that a whole set of people, their hair changes color.

[Langston Kerman]

That's crazy.

[Will Miles]

Isn't that crazy? How do you. What do you mean? You were a blonde and now you're brunette. You don't be like a little blonde, right? Yeah, they were full blonde, blonde and then they're brunettes and it's like natural. I'm like, I don't understand that at all.

[David]

Have you.

[Will Miles]

There's never been a Black person where that's happened.

[Langston Kerman]

You know who does that?

[David]

You ever seen a white guy who, like, looks completely different every time you see him?

[Will Miles]

Yes.

[David]

Like somebody who you see, like, once every year and a half, two years, and you're like, this is a different guy every single time I see this man.

[Will Miles]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

No, it's the only people who octopus.

[Will Miles]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

That's the only ones that change as much as white people change in their weird formation.

[Will Miles]

And I know it's normal because of how they talk about it, but I'm like, every time I hear it, I am shocked. They're like, what do you. I'm like, I can't. My mind can't grasp that your hair was a different color.

[Langston Kerman]

You're being more generous than me. I'm not gonna call it normal.

[David]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I think it is of the devil.

[Will Miles]

His grand design,

[Langston Kerman]

I think. I think whatever y' all got cooking over there is a sin, and I choose the light of the Lord, but I respect that. I haven't figured out witchcraft yet, so you win this round again. White tea.

[Will Miles]

White tea. Wow.

[Caller]

Okay.

[Will Miles]

YT W H Y space T

[David]

YT

[Langston Kerman]

Y T will you. You are not. Not. It sounds like participating in the trends actively. Do you feel like there is a way for us as a larger community to stop this?

[Will Miles]

I've been really considering.

[Langston Kerman]

What can black people do to free ourselves?

[Will Miles]

Oh, we got to stop giving our information up. I mean, we got to think about all the ways we've already been protected. Melanin. Our hair doesn't change color. Like, there's certain things where it's, like, two of the biggest we've been protecting. So we got to take that protection and go further with it. It's like, so just give away, like, secrets. Like, the cookout thing, you know, it's crazy. Nobody's special cookout. Invited. The cookout. Nobody's invited. It's a special cookout. Like, yeah, we got to talk about shit. So it's like, there's a separate cookout where you can invite other people. You know, let's not talk about the cookout. Like, no.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Will Miles]

The offshoot cookout for sure. It's like a festival. Yeah. It's fun. Everybody's invited. Invited. But I do think we can save ourselves.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

Because you. I feel like, overall, we can always tell. There's always at least seven comments about, like, I don't trust that. And it's like, good. Don't trust that. Like, yeah, there's no song that you played in 2001. That you need to tell the world that you're listening to right now.

[Langston Kerman]

I am comforted by how often my ignorance around these things is sometimes called out almost immediately by somebody being like, hey, don't do that.

[Will Miles]

Yep, yep.

[Announcer]

Yeah.

[David]

Oh, when you do do it.

[Langston Kerman]

Or like, when I'm starting to do it.

[David]

Right, right.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, I'll. I'll, like, be weighing my options. So do I want to do this? Make my face look like a lizard. Whatever the. It is. And then I'll see somebody post of, like, you know, they just using your face to. So they can plant it on the background of. Of screens and shit. People.

[David]

People are up on it.

[Will Miles]

Yeah.

[David]

People aren't up on it.

[Will Miles]

Well, definitely. I remember last five jobs you had or something like that. There's trends like that where it's like, name the last places you last cities you lived in. It's like, for. For that.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[David]

Think about the other times that you volunteer that information.

[Will Miles]

Applications angrily. Also leases, every. Exactly. Yeah.

[David]

Yeah, It's.

[Will Miles]

I've never had to look up every job. Job and been happy about it. I do it online, bro.

[Langston Kerman]

It really sucks having to remember the. The address that you lived in six years ago.

[David]

Yeah. Should I put down the real phone number?

[Will Miles]

Right.

[David]

What if they call? What if they answer?

[Will Miles]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe always give somebody cell phone. That's my rule. I get.

[David]

Oh, yeah.

[Will Miles]

Like, it'll. If it's a job, I'll be like, yeah, call Langston. Yeah, but it's like, he wasn't even there.

[Langston Kerman]

But truth be told, it's like, how many references do you actually have? Yeah.

[Will Miles]

And how. Why are you calling these people?

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

And if you called them, how many of them would be like, y. Guess I remember him.

[David]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[Will Miles]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I think it was good.

[David]

Have you ever heard of somebody calling on references?

[Will Miles]

I feel like I got called once for somebody, and I acted like I was the boss.

[David]

I've never.

[Langston Kerman]

I've never had the pleasure of answering for someone.

[David]

Yeah, I've never.

[Will Miles]

But.

[Langston Kerman]

But I've certainly had people be like, yeah, they called about you.

[Will Miles]

Nice.

[David]

Oh, interesting.

[Will Miles]

Oh, I've had that, actually. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Will Miles]

And then they were like, yeah, they didn't like you. And I was like, you know, what

[Langston Kerman]

are you gonna do?

[Will Miles]

You know, I wish I could have

[David]

got ahead of this.

[Will Miles]

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Oh, well, does it help that I don't like them either?

[Langston Kerman]

Maybe this was your experience. Maybe not. When you work with kids, they call.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, they do. That is true.

[Langston Kerman]

They need to check.

[David]

Okay.

[Will Miles]

And that is that's that makes a good thing.

[David]

That's who I want.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, exactly.

[David]

That's who I want them calling references for.

[Will Miles]

That is the only time I've gotten.

[David]

I don't need, like, the guy at Target necessarily, but, like, yeah, I wouldn't mind it.

[Will Miles]

But, yeah, hey, I am at Target prior to the racism. It is a lot.

[Langston Kerman]

Isaac,

[David]

I did work at Target.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, you told me. You used to wear this shirt.

[Will Miles]

It was bad.

[David]

I was just down. Really bad. And I got hired there. I was, like, the lowest. I was the youngest. Cause I was like. I was working full time at a time where they're at an age where they're like, like, well, you must be a loser. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like. Yeah. It's like, you're 19 and you work at Target full time. You clearly can't get anything going. Like. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like straight up.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, it never occurred to me that other Target employees were looking at you, bro.

[David]

That shit was the Loser Olympics.

[Caller]

Wow.

[David]

Because then there were like. Cause then there were people who, like. Because, you know, we're all even in the khakis, right?

[Langston Kerman]

That's what I would have thought.

[David]

We're all wearing khaki and red in here. So it's like, there's not very many things you can virtue signal to who you really are on the outside, Right? Like, some guys, you could like, oh, gay. He wears that kind of dick. But you couldn't really tell who people were. So these bosses would always be trying to trick you. Like, they were like, rich people. You know what I mean? Like, it was like they dressed like they bought their clothes at Starbucks, and they like. They were just like. They wanted you to think they were rich.

[Langston Kerman]

They were showing. They were peacocking.

[Will Miles]

The vests. Yeah.

[David]

Yeah, exactly. But then this dude offers me a ride home. You drive a 87 Camry?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David]

And you're like 10 years older than me, and you're my boss at Target. Oh, shit. And then I hear him in the car, and he was, like, talking about one of the other bosses, and he was like, me and Rick went to business school. And I was like, you guys went to school?

[Will Miles]

Yeah.

[David]

You went to fucking school.

[Langston Kerman]

You made you make three more dollars an hour than I do.

[David]

Now you're one of my 40 managers at Target.

[Will Miles]

It's like, I'm officially better than you,

[David]

which I don't even care, man. But don't come crazy to me.

[Langston Kerman]

No, you got to treat me With

[Will Miles]

a certain you're not.

[David]

You're not. You know what I mean?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah. We're back.

[Will Miles]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

We. Were you not holding the microphone that entire time?

[Will Miles]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I wasn't perfect.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, yeah. But I was into it.

[Langston Kerman]

It's a perfect show.

[Will Miles]

I was into it. I was going. I was giving all black responses.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, no, let her cook. You got it, sweetie.

[Will Miles]

Do it. Yeah. I went to a talent show the other day for middle school. How was elementary school? Fantastic. Really fun. Yeah, it was a lot of, like. Okay.

[David]

I. Our talent show acts the same as they were when we were kids.

[Will Miles]

It's hard to know, like, was it

[David]

like, there's a couple musicians, some dance.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, yeah.

[David]

One girl's gonna sing.

[Will Miles]

There's some jokes. A lot of people looked at me. I'm like, please don't. Don't look at me. Too much pressure. I gotta laugh at these girls.

[David]

Yeah, you do have to.

[Will Miles]

I have to. Everybody knows I'm comedians.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

All right. Yeah, they're great.

[Caller]

Were.

[Langston Kerman]

Was there, like a fun group of black people in there?

[Will Miles]

Yeah, yeah. And it's like the black Latinos are who I. There's a lot.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[Caller]

School.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

I mean, so it's like they have the best of both worlds.

[Caller]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Will Miles]

So it's like. Yeah, they're. They're this. It's the same, but sometimes there's some Spanish words thrown in there. Yeah, it is cool.

[Langston Kerman]

I really love that.

[David]

I was going to say one and then I decided.

[Announcer]

I know, right?

[Will Miles]

Do it, though. No, Yeah.

[David]

I was winding up and then I had to like.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm sorry if I interrupted you.

[David]

No, it's good. Okay. It's better that I don't do that.

[Langston Kerman]

Historically, he. His discernment on which slurs to say and not say are not.

[Will Miles]

That's the most fun.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Will Miles]

He who you tell.

[David]

And now we're doing it in my house. I'm only looser. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Shoulders up here.

[Will Miles]

Somebody say they didn't realize that C H I N K was a bad thing. And I was like, oh, I don't know.

[David]

That's insane.

[Will Miles]

Like, I was like, that's crazy. Educate. You probably saw the same post. But I was like, I don't know how to educate you when that's the whole thing.

[David]

That person is.

[Will Miles]

The whole thing is. That's racist. I don't know where else lying.

[David]

That's one of the big five. We all know the.

[Will Miles]

I know. I thought so. I really thought so. And then they were like, I Didn't know. It's like, I don't know how to help if you didn't know.

[David]

If you don't know the big five, you've never met anybody in a different culture.

[Will Miles]

My thing, I'm like, right.

[David]

Like, everybody remember junior high school, Everybody.

[Will Miles]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I think even when you didn't know what words meant, you. You can watch Gran Torino.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Not know what some of those words mean. And know he didn't mean them in a nice way. A little bit.

[David]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

You could tell how those were not kind words coming out of that old man, regardless of how well he treated that young boy.

[Will Miles]

The young boy kid.

[Langston Kerman]

And so I don't need any more information to know I probably shouldn't say that. And if I do, I better say it real quiet.

[David]

If you don't have. You can't figure out by context what the nasty words are. Yeah. You're going to have a tough time out here. Yeah.

[Will Miles]

That's how I figured out. Figured out we couldn't say the word Jew. I. I should have probably spelled that one, too.

[David]

No, let it fly.

[Will Miles]

But Jew.

[David]

I was joking. That came off.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

But I'm listening.

[Will Miles]

But I was like. I was talking to my friend about modest yahoo at Jewel Osco in Chicago. And I was like, he's so good. I'm like, it's crazy. This guy's a jw. But I said the word. I think. I can't say it now. And then this Jewish guy turned around, like, angrily, and I was like, I don't understand. I was like, what did I do? Everybody I've ever spoken to says that word. Yeah. I think, I think Jewish people included. I was like, they say it all the time.

[Langston Kerman]

I think it's a little bit of, like a lot of things with sort of anti Semitism. It's a moving goalpost. Depending on who is in charge of that conversation.

[Will Miles]

Okay. Yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

And so I think that the ask. The thinking behind the ask is to not be referring to people by their identity and instead being like a Jewish person.

[Will Miles]

Okay. No, that's true.

[David]

Okay.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes total sense. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

But being like a Jew makes it sort of like animalizing the group. That said, I think the types of people who get angry at you about it are being very cherry picky about the anger, depending on the circumstance.

[Will Miles]

Cause it also felt like a letdown for my Jewish friends. I was like, none of y' all said I shouldn't say that outside of here.

[David]

You guys just let me leave that Conversation.

[Will Miles]

Say that. Yeah. Like, I've clearly told you when not to say the N word, which is very clearly. That's been clear.

[David]

I opened with it.

[Will Miles]

I got you letting me know what the slur is.

[Langston Kerman]

I got you that N word calendar.

[Will Miles]

Exactly.

[Langston Kerman]

All the dates are X'd up.

[Will Miles]

You hear us say N word, you don't say it.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

And you don't have a rule for us, like, make that.

[David]

That is true. Let me know.

[Will Miles]

Let me know.

[David]

I just want to be an asshole out there.

[Will Miles]

That's my thing. I'm like, I don't. That guy looked at me in a way where I'm like, I'm not whatever you think I am. What did I do? And I think that's.

[Langston Kerman]

That is sort of like the frustration with any group who is not being clear about the parameters you set is like. I think a lot of what talking is is just trying shit out.

[David]

That's all it is.

[Langston Kerman]

I hear a word, I repeat it. I see what that elicits in other people, and then I decide if that's a word I'm gonna romance, spend my life with or if that's a word I never have to say again because that's dangerous.

[Will Miles]

And because I saw them get mad, it's like, oh, that hurt you.

[David]

I didn't know I hurt you. I did realize now that that is a. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Will Miles]

It's in here now. Never again. Never again. Sorry. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

But I think that learning experience has sort of been lost in us being disingenuous about some of the things that actually hurt our feelings versus things that somebody is dying outside.

[David]

Yeah. That was crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

I am so scared for him. He yelled, he's unsafe. And we're laughing. The man is dead, and we're laughing over his bones.

[David]

This is a crazy podcast to do with the window open.

[Langston Kerman]

It's fun, though it doesn't speak well of your community, but it's a nice area.

[David]

It's a nice area. I think we've brought down property values a little bit with this conversation.

[Announcer]

Absolutely.

[Will Miles]

I love bringing up property.

[Langston Kerman]

That man was gonna live before we started this.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, yeah.

[David]

He killed himself because of this. The rhetoric was too spicy.

[Langston Kerman]

All right, we need to take a break. We're coming back. More Will Miles. More.

[David]

Mama told me the podcast that kills guys,

[Will Miles]

only in the same location. Like Smile.

[Announcer]

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[Langston Kerman]

I have to ask you, as it relates to this concern of trends.

[Will Miles]

Oh, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Do you think that there's a way that we can retake control with the trends? Because your suggestion. This is where I get a little bit like, like, ey rolly. With the suggestion of, ah, we just all gotta get rid of the Internet.

[David]

It's not gonna happen.

[Will Miles]

Clearly.

[Caller]

We're addicts.

[Will Miles]

We're addicts. Taking it away would hurt us.

[Langston Kerman]

We have been introduced to the most powerful drug that man has ever created. And we're all fucking addicts. And the ones of us that aren't addicts are so removed that they are, in some ways de. Socialized.

[Will Miles]

What's also worrisome about that is people are like, well, Leo DiCaprio's not on the Internet. So he's figured it out. It's like, but something's wrong with him. Let's be real. But everybody, anybody who's not on the Internet, something' kind of wrong with them.

[Langston Kerman]

But also it's. Everybody around him is.

[Will Miles]

Exactly.

[Langston Kerman]

So they can just.

[David]

He gets it fed.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, he gets it fed everybody.

[David]

He's probably not on a lot of things, but he's not on the news either.

[Langston Kerman]

Exactly.

[David]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

He still has a phone.

[Will Miles]

He has a phone. I'm sure he has a phone.

[Langston Kerman]

He's still looking at stuff. He just isn't. He. He ain't on social media like that.

[Will Miles]

That's true. That is.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[David]

Isn't that why you get that rich anyways, is to make your world really small and controllable?

[Will Miles]

I sure hope so. That's what I'm aspiring to do.

[Langston Kerman]

What happens in this private plane.

[David]

Exactly.

[Langston Kerman]

Stays.

[Will Miles]

I don't want to have that. But that's. When you have that much, like, freedom, then you're like, well, I could do anything. Yeah. Crazy shit.

[Langston Kerman]

No, I think there's. It's a reason why that. That class island, that class of wealth is so dangerous.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, exactly.

[Langston Kerman]

You start having to just do nasty shit anytime.

[Will Miles]

You can be like, that didn't happen. Here's $1 million. It's like, well, that's. You're not. You're not a real person anymore giving out a million dollars to not say anything.

[Langston Kerman]

But also, if you don't give out that million dol. A billion dollar corporation falls behind.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, that's true.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

And so many jobs. You are like, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

And as it's been pitched to you, you are now a pillar of society.

[Will Miles]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

If you let this fall, we all fucking starve.

[David]

Right?

[Langston Kerman]

So.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I didn't do it.

[Will Miles]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

You know what I mean? Like, it's really crazy, but I understand why you can't make that much money and be decent.

[Will Miles]

Yeah. Because you can just put away problems with money.

[Langston Kerman]

Nuts.

[Announcer]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

Now, speaking of, anyone got a problem, you could pay me right now. Like, I didn't see shit if you give me a million dollars.

[Announcer]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Take the hush money immediately, depending on what it's for.

[Will Miles]

Yeah. I'm like, hey, look, if I'm a chef at Epstein island, what's my responsibility? You know, it's like, I didn't go outside this room. They didn't let me.

[David]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

So I genuinely don't know what happened.

[David]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

And I did go to the bathroom once and I was like, what's. What's happening here? And they gave me a million dollars. So it's like Bill Clinton.

[Langston Kerman]

What the hell?

[David]

Chris Tucker.

[Will Miles]

Why y'. All. How did y'.

[Caller]

All.

[Will Miles]

Human stupid. Your penises.

[David]

You know, the chef loved Chris Tucker. Of course. Everybody on that island loved Chris Tucker. We all loved Chris Tucker.

[Will Miles]

He was quoting Money Tucker.

[Langston Kerman]

Season this with, man. We ain't got this back where I'm from, man. You the only white man I let cook for me.

[David]

And then he does that dance, that dance that took over a nation, by the way.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, man, the man was unstoppable. And I don't believe we've talked about this a few times. I don't believe that Chris Tucker was a criminal on that island. I believe Chris Tucker went there for vacation and vacation only. And I think that whatever those boys were up to, that was their business. I think Chris Tucker is a decent man.

[Will Miles]

Is he doing the show? Is he bringing his goddamn self on the show? Exactly. No, I believe that. Well, he. He's a confusing person because he went from def comedy jam five minutes to $20 million a movie.

[Langston Kerman]

Yep.

[Will Miles]

In like three years.

[David]

That's what I'm saying.

[Will Miles]

Gotta be confusing nobody.

[David]

How many times does that happen? Even generational? Never.

[Will Miles]

Like, it's so rare.

[David]

It's like. It's crazy that that happened like that.

[Langston Kerman]

He really went nuts.

[David]

Yeah. Wild.

[Will Miles]

He. That's how Good Friday is, by the way. But that's like one of those movies where it stands out.

[Langston Kerman]

Friday, money talks.

[Will Miles]

Money talks right after that.

[David]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

God, that.

[Will Miles]

At the same time as the Fifth Element, I believe, which is like, you've just had so many fans and then

[David]

Fifth Element, you were like, whoa, you could do this. Yeah, yeah. That was like a whole other gear.

[Will Miles]

Just doing him, though. Like, even though he wasn't. He was doing that. Come on, man. Like, it was still that voice, but doing like, weird alien but in weird clothes.

[Langston Kerman]

It wasn't running from whatever Queer association.

[Announcer]

Exactly.

[Will Miles]

Which was crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

We didn't know he had gear.

[Will Miles]

I know. Exactly.

[Langston Kerman]

And nobody. Nobody ever.

[Will Miles]

That was risky at the time.

[Langston Kerman]

And nobody ever really called him sus for that.

[Will Miles]

I know, I know. That's what I'm saying. That's like, cool. That's like crazy.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

In the. In the 1990s, but black men doing that was.

[David]

See, now we're talking about it. You're like, what did. God damn, man.

[Langston Kerman]

Come on, man. You gotta stop playing. I keep.

[David]

That's not me playing. Don't do that to me. Don't do that to me.

[Langston Kerman]

Come on, David, I.

[Will Miles]

The minute we bring up best activities,

[David]

we got to get a bigger studio.

[Caller]

Yeah, yeah.

[David]

We keep touching each other's feet and knees.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, my God, it's rough out here.

[Will Miles]

Oh, man.

[Langston Kerman]

You were about to.

[Will Miles]

I got shoes on, but yeah.

[David]

Oh, yeah, that was smart. What? Did I say something?

[Langston Kerman]

You were about to say something about Chris Tucker and.

[David]

Oh, just the speed and the level of it happens. That's when I think. That's when I think people start to get like. He seems like a conspiracy. Conspiracy. That's when people start saying things like plants where you're. You're like, how did this. This is so even. Even by chance. It seems crazy.

[Will Miles]

Yeah. I think even he doesn't know, though. You know what I'm saying? I think people give a lot of credit to those industry plants that they're in on it.

[David]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

And it's like they have no idea. Like, even if Kevin Hart was an industry plant, it's like he didn't know.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

He was riding it out. I saw him in 2005 and he had not sold out. Out Zany's in Chicago.

[David]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

And then one year later, he was selling out arenas. And it's like. I don't know what to tell you. Like, I don't think he had any idea it was gonna go like that? No, but like that 40 year old virgin cameo changed a lot of. Yeah, yeah.

[David]

Paper soldiers. Before or after that?

[Will Miles]

I think it might have been before, but nobody was ever gonna see that. I saw paper soldiers when it came out.

[David]

Yeah, but yeah, the other Rockefeller.

[Caller]

Exactly.

[Langston Kerman]

That wasn't going to break you into.

[Will Miles]

I wasn't seeing that. Like, oh, man, Oskino is going to be a huge. Where do they see young Chris in this role?

[Langston Kerman]

They'll be calling him Thespian Chris.

[David]

Exactly.

[Langston Kerman]

When this is finished, Petey Crack is

[Will Miles]

the next Meryl Stre.

[David]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I wonder too, how much of the industry play plant is a thing that we could even tell a person exactly. That they're experiencing and it be true. You know what I mean? I think if you told me I was an industry plant, I would start making what you had planned for me fuck up.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David]

I would start being like, all right.

[Langston Kerman]

Then my real vision is.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Langston Kerman]

You know what I mean? Then I'm gonna kick it into a crazy ass gear. I think what they want is a person who's malleable and who they can sort of recognize as like, you are so talented. And I think that's the other thing that industry plant never does enough justice for is like, these motherfuckers be talented.

[Will Miles]

Everybody accused of it is very good. It's like, what do you want?

[David]

Like, hey, yeah, you can't. Why would they do it with somebody who. Why am I gonna plant a dud?

[Will Miles]

Yeah, exactly.

[David]

Yeah. Like, fuck are you talking about?

[Langston Kerman]

They may not be talented in a way that like, you want them to be.

[Will Miles]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

Which I can relate to a lot. I often feel like the plants are like, frustrating in a spectrum of things.

[David]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Spectrum of ways.

[Caller]

But.

[Langston Kerman]

But, man, are they good at the. That they pretend to be good at.

[David]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I can't give it to them.

[Will Miles]

You got to give it to them. They're good at it.

[David]

Whatever millions of dollars it stakes. No. Nobody's leaving like that to chance.

[Langston Kerman]

No, it's. It's. So we're betting on the right horse.

[David]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

And in that way, that's why it's luck a little bit. It's like a lot of luck in this.

[David]

They pick wrong.

[Langston Kerman]

Wrong a lot.

[David]

They pick because they're so. Because they're so detached from the real world.

[Langston Kerman]

Yep.

[Will Miles]

And then the people who, like, think critically are like, I could have told you that was the wrong choice. Yeah, yeah, always. Everybody's always like, that was obviously the wrong choice. Why Would you sort of feel like

[David]

being a wrong choice is a good life?

[Will Miles]

I know. Absolutely. You've seen it.

[David]

And then I'm out of here. Oh, it didn't work.

[Will Miles]

Oh, no. I'm bad at this.

[Langston Kerman]

Well, no, the residuals will carry me through.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, right, right.

[David]

Yeah, yeah, I had a little fun.

[Will Miles]

Yeah.

[David]

I made a run at it. Good, bad or sad, you know, I was in the game.

[Langston Kerman]

I think I'll start a podcast

[David]

and I'll join one that's already started.

[Will Miles]

Oh, wow. I wish it was an industry plant.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[David]

There's still time.

[Will Miles]

I know. I'm like, I do think that's true.

[David]

We're men.

[Will Miles]

That's true. Yeah, that is true.

[Langston Kerman]

I do think that that's true too. I don't think that industry plant implies always this youthfulness that we suggest it does. I think sometimes it's like, oh, we need a person that represents this right now. And then they pick one.

[Will Miles]

Well, it is like, in that, in that sense, is June Squibb an industry plant. That 95 year old white lady from Thelma. But it's like, we need a new 95 Betty White.

[Langston Kerman]

And that's what I'm saying is like, yeah, she's dead.

[Will Miles]

She's been dead. See? So it's like all these years now, famous white people are dead. We need a June Squibb. We're missing a June Squib. And I think she's talented and everything. She's great.

[Langston Kerman]

But they've had June Squip for a long time.

[Will Miles]

She was in.

[David]

She's.

[Langston Kerman]

She's been a very.

[Will Miles]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Capable, talented person the whole time. But for a while, to your point, they didn't feel like they needed to make her a name.

[Will Miles]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

But now they need to make her a name. So invite her to the Met gala.

[Will Miles]

Yep.

[Langston Kerman]

You know what I mean?

[David]

Like, yeah, there's like a track they

[Will Miles]

could put you on now.

[Langston Kerman]

They put her on track in a way that she wasn't on track before. And I think that that literally happens to all of us or has the potential to happen to all of us at different points. And we just don't. We sometimes get in our own heads and get mad at some 21 year old because.

[Will Miles]

Which is dumb. I've never. I've always felt like 50 is my target goal anyway.

[David]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Will Miles]

I'm like, by then everything will be figured out and they'll be like, oh, now I see why he's good. Not that I'm not. You know, people have seen I'm good, but now I see, like, the mass worth of this. Of this person writing and acting and stuff.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[David]

You kind of realize this whole thing out here is just people speculating on other people 100%. That's like the whole. The whole entirety that they're just looking at. Strike oil. Yeah.

[Will Miles]

That one thing you did was good. Maybe this will work.

[Langston Kerman]

We're all just walking prop bets.

[David]

Yeah. 100%. So in that. Go to cal.com.

[Langston Kerman]

We got a big one, folks.

[David]

Bet on whether David's gonna buy a house.

[Will Miles]

Yeah.

[David]

Long bet.

[Caller]

Probably

[David]

a put option.

[Will Miles]

You know what's crazy is I was there was like, six years ago, I think. You were there.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

I was at a party with both Jake from State Farm and Matt Rife.

[Langston Kerman]

Let's go.

[Will Miles]

Before they were Jake from State Farm. They're friends.

[David]

Yeah. Oh, man.

[Will Miles]

And so we were at Chris's house party.

[Langston Kerman]

I do remember that.

[Will Miles]

And. And Jake is. His last name is Miles. So we met at an Insecure audition because both our names were Miles on the audition. And we've been tight ever since, but. Tight tight.

[Langston Kerman]

Brothers.

[Announcer]

We're both.

[Langston Kerman]

We're brothers, man. Dancing.

[Will Miles]

He's a very good dance.

[David]

Whoa.

[Will Miles]

But, like, I remember when he got on as Jake from State Farm and Rife got on, I was like. Was somebody at the party, like, yo, those two right now? Like, yeah, but they're both. Let's make them work. They're both very talented.

[Langston Kerman]

They're both jacked.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, they're both jacked. Yes.

[Langston Kerman]

And, you know, I think.

[David]

I think they both stayed in positions to be seen by people who would be. Who would be picking.

[Langston Kerman]

Yes, I think they did.

[David]

Which is an issue if you don't like to leave the house. I know.

[Will Miles]

That was, like, my one time leaving the house that year.

[David]

Right.

[Will Miles]

I'm at the.

[David]

It was something that you knew you should have gone to.

[Will Miles]

Exactly.

[David]

And that's why I was like, chris.

[Will Miles]

All right. Yeah, I'll go to Chris's day. He's only gone today.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

Like.

[David]

And that's why you saw those guys?

[Will Miles]

Yeah. Yep.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. No, it's a. It's. It's a weird combination. You gotta sort of find. So I don't know. We're all industry plants.

[Will Miles]

I wish. No.

[David]

50. That's a plan ass. That's a plan ass thing to say.

[Will Miles]

Don't try to bring us.

[Announcer]

We're all.

[David]

That and we're all.

[Langston Kerman]

It's like, hey, man, industry chose us all, brother.

[David]

What?

[Will Miles]

What did NBC tell you?

[Caller]

Nothing.

[Will Miles]

I don't even know if I got the network Right.

[Langston Kerman]

But I think I did. Yeah.

[Will Miles]

He tried to buy NBC.

[Langston Kerman]

That damn Cosby got to it first. All right, we need.

[Will Miles]

We need to make him have that.

[Langston Kerman]

No. We missed you, Bill. Come back. Come back. Two more. Stand up, Bill.

[Will Miles]

Check. Yeah, we gotta.

[Langston Kerman]

I. I do have this question. If Bill Cosby goes on tour, obviously I'm gonna assume you're not going to buy tickets for the program.

[Will Miles]

But not publicly.

[Langston Kerman]

Not publicly. You. You buy them.

[Will Miles]

Well, obviously, I want to know what he has to say.

[Langston Kerman]

Well. Well, you have to go to the show to know that. So how can.

[Will Miles]

Well, I'll have some way of not.

[David]

I feel like. I feel like you could get the. That show's going to be so hyped. It's going to get leaked.

[Will Miles]

Exactly. You think.

[Langston Kerman]

You think the raw footage is going to.

[Will Miles]

They haven't gotten Chappelle yet, though, with that.

[David]

That's true.

[Langston Kerman]

I wouldn't be surprised if Bill's already torn a little bit.

[Will Miles]

You know what happened? He tried. He tried to buy Yonder and.

[Langston Kerman]

All right, we need to take one more break.

[Caller]

More will.

[Langston Kerman]

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[David]

We're back.

[Langston Kerman]

We're back up in this. You don't put no flair on it anymore.

[David]

That's kind of the funniest thing to me.

[Langston Kerman]

Fuck, man.

[David]

For right now, it'll change.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, okay.

[David]

But, like, right in that moment, that was the funniest thing I could think of.

[Langston Kerman]

We're back. Go ahead.

[David]

We're back.

[Caller]

We back.

[Will Miles]

And we back.

[Langston Kerman]

We get voicemails. Young channel.

[Caller]

Oh, no.

[Langston Kerman]

We get voicemail.

[Will Miles]

We love a voicemail.

[Langston Kerman]

We love a voicemail. And this one I hope we love, too. Here we go. Nope, that's not what I wanted to do.

[Caller]

That message is fucking disgusting. But anyway, I was listening. Wait, am I supposed to introduce myself? I'm back. I was listening to that episode about John Legend and Pfizer y' all was talking about. Is there a medicine that can make you less horny? And I got to thinking about it, and it's answered antidepressant, right? I mean, it's a side effect, but, like, you know, it's a common side effect that happens to people. And I got to thinking about it because I've been on Lexico for the past couple years. Damn, my life got a lot better and. But white people put their kids on these medications so early. I think there's something in them that they don't want us to know about. It's like, bro, I know. I went to. I went to school with white people my whole life, right?

[Langston Kerman]

Congrats.

[Caller]

Some of them been on Lexapro, Loft, Van X, Adderall, whatever, since they was, like, 12. And now they're, like, bankers and consultants and. But, like, when you black. And there's all this stigma around mental health, you know, a lot of times our community turns to drugs, like, not through a psychiatrist, and that don't help at all. So I'm thinking, like, there's a lot of. There's a lot of bad stuff said about antidepressants and whatnot, but I think the white people know. Some we don't. I'm not trying to say that you should go. You know, I'm not pro medicine and whatnot, but, you know, see a therapist. See a psychiatrist. See. See what you can get going on for. You know what I'm saying? Anyway, Big Fanny, I just saw Langston and the boys. That is hilarious. And

[Langston Kerman]

I. I want to thank this brother for. For calling us from whatever payphone he called us from.

[Will Miles]

Boyz is not a comedy, by the way. It's funny, but it's a.

[Langston Kerman]

He said that as if he was saying a terrible secret that the government should not be aware of. And it felt true to me. There were parts of it that make a lot of sense to me. I do think that being less horny

[David]

can make you more productive.

[Langston Kerman]

I think being less horny makes you more productive.

[Will Miles]

I think that's a given. Well, I think that's why people get married, for one, because you are less. You're less outwardly horny. You're like, oh, that's saving that for one person. That's so much easier for me now.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

So thank God. No, I don't have to think about that every day. I can just. Yeah, it is like.

[David]

Yeah, yeah. It's like. Takes a lot off your plate.

[Will Miles]

It does. Absolutely not.

[David]

Not like, the constant. Because, like, you're always having a bus move.

[Will Miles]

Yes.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David]

You know what I mean?

[Will Miles]

Like, it was so much extra work.

[David]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Will Miles]

You're always like, oh, God, I got to go to this other show.

[Langston Kerman]

I can't concentrate when I'm running.

[David]

We're like, I want to go home, but I gotta go to this bar

[Will Miles]

so much of my life.

[David]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

What would I do if I didn't go out?

[David]

Right.

[Will Miles]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

I'd have to be here beating off again.

[Will Miles]

Exactly.

[David]

I don't want that.

[Will Miles]

It's like, I gotta not do that daily. Like, I gotta at least get out.

[Langston Kerman]

It's getting sick the amount of times I'm beaten off. I can't do that again.

[Will Miles]

No. Gotta go out.

[Langston Kerman]

I gotta meet somebody.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I think I thought about wearing gloves

[David]

just to change up the.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, hello, stranger.

[Will Miles]

Who's that? What is that, a silk glove?

[David]

Oh, it's a snowstorm.

[Will Miles]

Oh, man.

[David]

Cause you gotta rub your hands together to keep warm.

[Langston Kerman]

Ms. Frizzle, you free?

[Will Miles]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Ms. Frizzle, I think the part that also feels like it rings true, or at least maybe is the part that this caller is not speaking to but felt true to me, is the possibility of this not being about, like, what's in the drug that's. That's helping with young white kids, but more the sale of the drug that's helping white communities thus and why they're comfortable pitching it to their own children. They're like, we know that this is within a spectrum of stuff that your brains and bodies can handle. It will make you more productive. And subsequently, we can keep the drug business.

[David]

Yeah, yeah.

[Will Miles]

And we can keep you less. You know, like, it's keeping people sedated. Sedated. Yeah.

[Announcer]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

You can sedate a whole generation of kids and then also subsequently get rich from it.

[Will Miles]

Because I'm on Lex Pro as well. And it is like, you know, when you're a black person taking these medicines, you are constantly, like, what they trying to do to me every time. That's really. I'll go on and off Adderall because I'm like, sure, I'm adhd and I. All that stuff, whatever. But what y' all trying to do and that's like, I don't. I don't trust it necessarily.

[David]

Right, right.

[Langston Kerman]

That's what scares me the most with. It is. And I. I don't want that to be at all. What I'm suggesting either.

[Will Miles]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Is try drugs. I think that the drugs do serve a purpose for the people that need them. Like, I. I don't want to under. Undermine the. The potential of, like, drugs being something that helps you improve your life.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

That said.

[Will Miles]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I think they are pure pitching it in such a wide fucking buckshot at everybody in a way that's inevitably going to draw so many people to it that don't actually need it or certainly don't need it to the scale that they're consuming for sure.

[Will Miles]

And I think Adderall is a big part of that. Any ADHD stuff, it's like, don't just jump to Adderall.

[David]

That shit is strong.

[Will Miles]

It's so strong. I had to ask them.

[David]

I've only ever had it recreationally.

[Will Miles]

Oh, yeah.

[David]

Undying. But that shit is like. Like, just like a drug. You're just like, this is a lot.

[Will Miles]

I had to tell my doctor, like, yo, as somebody who doesn't with cocaine, like, I've tried it, and it's just not for me. I'm like, I shouldn't do Adderall, right? Like, I was like, Adderalls with me a little bit. And I'm a guy who hates cocaine. I'm like, a pothead is like, can we figure something out there? Yeah. And there's a whole nother drug. I was like, oh, well, yeah, let's do that. Like, I don't want to be up all day like, Adderall does.

[David]

And I've also, though, taken an Adderall and, like, locked in and did some shit.

[Will Miles]

So am I. Where you're like, well, that's when you're like, it's a miracle drug. Where you're like, oh, thank God I finished that pilot. But then it's like, I want to come down, though. I need to sleep.

[Langston Kerman]

But that's the other part. Is that, like, so many of the

[David]

pilot I did, right?

[Will Miles]

Yeah, exactly.

[David]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah,

[Will Miles]

exactly.

[Caller]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David]

I bet I could build a dog house.

[Langston Kerman]

You know what?

[Will Miles]

Oh, if you could see my yard right now, it's a result of Adderall. It's like, I think I could take up these bricks, put some dirt down, sand it. I did it.

[David]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I think the sale of drugs is the white trickery more than it is the actual getting us specifically to use drugs that they already have those drugs in every meal that we eat. They have those drugs in every product that we consume. They don't need to force us to ingest the most dangerous ones they got got us, but they need us to buy them and they need us to sell them, and that is how they. They get their off.

[Will Miles]

That's always been my issue with people who don't like drug dealers, because the more you're around actual drug dealers, you're like, oh, that's just a job. I always bring that up. I'm like, oh, that's just like, I have a job at a hot dog stand. This guy has a job selling drugs, Right? We talk about my job more. That's what I know. We don't talk about his because his is criminal in the sense of the United States.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, we got a draw job where, you know, the.

[Will Miles]

There's a system, but then there. Then you see like pharma and you're like, you're selling drugs too. It's the exact same job. And he's better at it than you, cuz his is illegal and him being able to sell it. Like, I don't love heroin or obviously anything.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, congrats.

[Will Miles]

Horrible. Thank you.

[David]

I'm not saying

[Langston Kerman]

it's not how we live over here.

[Will Miles]

I'm not saying sell these harder drugs. I'm just saying we used to criminalize the fucking.

[Langston Kerman]

This motherfucker don't like to get wet sometimes times.

[Will Miles]

I'm just saying let niggas sell lsd, acid, ketamine, you know, any weed was fine for a long time. Yeah, mushrooms, that's.

[Langston Kerman]

You just listing drugs.

[Will Miles]

Drugs that I want specifically. Can you give these to me?

[Langston Kerman]

You were onto a point.

[Will Miles]

I lost the point. Because I'm just saying, yeah, you got to the fans at some point.

[Langston Kerman]

You just started listing drugs.

[Will Miles]

You've seen the industry, right? It's down a little bit. I'm saying, help brother out with some acid.

[David]

I think it's worth saying at this point, we did get really high before this.

[Langston Kerman]

We did get high. I think you felt it the most. If I'm being honest, brother, I'm fighting for my life. I think through this whole episode, I've

[David]

been looking over, I've said right 5,000 times. I've been looking at my friend over here silently panicking.

[Will Miles]

I've been seeing the silent panic. And here's the thing, I look like I'm silent Panic, Panic.

[David]

Got this yellow fucking shirt on. I'm gonna die.

[Langston Kerman]

All you're thinking about, you've been stuck

[David]

the whole time fucking from the jump.

[Langston Kerman]

And I'm so glad that you said something because boy, was I feeling it with every. Even the introduction. When I said, you'll bring us back in, you said, we're back. And I said, what? And then you said, yeah, that's cool.

[Will Miles]

To me, as someone sitting watching all of it, I was like, okay, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

You've witnessed the most tension David and I have ever experienced together. This has been a phenomenal episode.

[Will Miles]

Great episode. That's why I'm sweating some.

[Langston Kerman]

This been one of my favorites in some ways. Will, could you tell the people where they could find you what cool shit you have going on?

[Will Miles]

Well, I'm playing an art show, so by the time this comes out, maybe it'll be more better planned.

[Langston Kerman]

More better, More better. Moba Blues might be the name of the art show.

[Will Miles]

Mo Better Art. Mo Better art. I love Spike Lee. So this is a shout out to Spike Morehouse Graduate as well. But Will's Elevated Sketches at. Will's elevated sketches at MrWill Miles is where all my personalities live.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Will Miles]

But I have many.

[Langston Kerman]

Husky Nigga Fitz.

[Will Miles]

Husky Nigga Fitz is there too.

[Langston Kerman]

Shout out to Husky Nigga Fitz. You really are. You're experimenting with the Internet in a way that does not correlate with what you've suggested up to this point.

[Will Miles]

Exactly. Exactly.

[David]

That's really great.

[Langston Kerman]

You have told us. You are. You are somehow nearly in the woods with your connection to the Internet. And in fact, this motherfucker has four different Instagram.

[Will Miles]

I do. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

He is pitching himself in every way possible. 100% short of

[Caller]

whore.

[Will Miles]

It is all being stoned. My rule with the Internet is if I could post it stoned and not think about it, it's a good thing.

[Langston Kerman]

So it's beautiful.

[Caller]

I'm so happy.

[Will Miles]

I'm like, all right. I think David dresses well. Great. Let's put him up.

[David]

I.

[Will Miles]

You know, I like. Let's draw this picture of Grand Poobah.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Another beautiful piece. Go check them out. Follow Will. Follow all of his pages.

[Will Miles]

All my personalities.

[Langston Kerman]

Boris.

[David]

I got the one page, man.

[Will Miles]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David]

Cool guy jokes. 87 on Instagram.

[Langston Kerman]

The only one.

[David]

I don't even. I'm not even on TikTok like that.

[Langston Kerman]

No.

[David]

Hey, not gonna get a sub stack.

[Will Miles]

Do it.

[David]

Don't be a bitch. I got nothing to stack.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, write something down for one. Follow our YouTube. We would love.

[David]

Yeah, get on the YouTube.

[Langston Kerman]

Get on the YouTube. Follow our Instagram. Follow our Patreon. Patreon. Gotta follow that Patreon. We're doing some fun stuff over there. Smut watches a lot of nasty videos. We watch Smut together.

[Will Miles]

Old Smut, obviously there's not new Smut, is it?

[Langston Kerman]

Smut is. I was slightly broader. You parked up in a.

[David]

Well, in a way that's a little bit.

[Langston Kerman]

That felt like. We got you.

[Will Miles]

This is what the Internet does. You're going to jail.

[Langston Kerman]

Soon as we wrap up this.

[Will Miles]

What kind of smut we talking about? Is people dying. No, you can follow just face to death. What are we doing?

[Langston Kerman]

You can follow me at Langston Kerman on all social media platforms. You can send us your own drops, your own conspiracy [e-mail]. you can give us a call at 844-LIM moms. You can love on yourself. You can love on on each other. You you can go to hell.

[Will Miles]

Bye.

[David]

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[Will Miles]

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[Announcer]

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[David]

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