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Guest or Supporting Speaker
The government growing babies microchips in your anus.
David Bore
All koala bears are racist. The ozone layer owes me money. Marshy to vet and turkey stuff.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Y' all can't tell me nothing.
Langston Kerman
I discovered that one of the things that sort of turned this is your Life from sort of like this beloved program into sort of a much more. Like, people started to doubt it and not like it as much was because they started changing the programming a little bit, right? So they started to go for a more like. Like, traumatic story every time.
David Bore
Oh, they were raising the stakes.
Langston Kerman
They raised the stakes.
David Bore
So that's what television people can't help but do.
Langston Kerman
It wasn't just a plumber. It's now we need a plumber with one leg and one eye who's beat all the odds kind of thing. And so people started to feel like this got overly sort of, like, sympathetic and sort of, like, cheesy in a contrived way that made them not like the show anymore. And that is where the shift from true reality television and our version of reality television starts to take shape.
David Bore
Can we. I don't know if you have. I don't know how research works. Can we pinpoint the executive.
Kevon J Stain
Who set.
David Bore
Us on this trajectory? Because it was one guy.
Kevon J Stain
They jumped the shark.
David Bore
Yeah.
Langston Kerman
Yeah. It was one dude being like, I think we should do something nasty because.
David Bore
We'Ve all gotten network notes. And it was like, hey, take his leg off.
Kevon J Stain
Yeah.
David Bore
And then that's how. And then he kept pushing. Yeah, Dominic, I don't want to do. We found a good guy.
Langston Kerman
And they're like, nah, nah, I don't like that guy. But his friend. I noticed his friend in the wheelchair. Bring him to the front.
David Bore
That's the. That's like, bro, that's patient zero for all the problems, for sure.
Langston Kerman
Yeah.
David Bore
That's like.
Kevon J Stain
Cause it's like, even reality shows that start off wholesome, they always devolve.
David Bore
They turn, man.
Kevon J Stain
Like, married at first sight was like, they really were about love, man.
Langston Kerman
Are you a true watcher?
Kevon J Stain
I watched many seasons in the Pandemic, and then at some point, it was like, I don't think they want these people to fall in love anymore, bro.
Langston Kerman
Around season, like, 15, 16, they were like, yeah.
David Bore
I never fuck with it.
Kevon J Stain
We started a podcast because it was so popular during the Pandemic.
Langston Kerman
It's like, it's my. I love it. Well, I loved it when it felt.
Kevon J Stain
Since it felt like these people really wanted to. Now it feels like they just want to be reality stars.
Langston Kerman
They're making some of the most toxic relationships out there.
Kevon J Stain
Oh, my God.
Langston Kerman
And, like, truly being like, we don't know why y' all didn't work it's like, Pastor Calvin, I want to believe in you.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Brother, Brother, the respect I hold for you is vast and strong. But you. You making it hard for me.
Kevon J Stain
Pastor Calvin, we weren't trusting the experts anymore. You're not trusting the show. Yeah.
Langston Kerman
No. I couldn't agree with you more. It made a nasty turn.
Kevon J Stain
Yes. It's produced, it's over.
Langston Kerman
It's.
Kevon J Stain
This is your life. It's the same thing. A producer was like. But, like, I know this is about love, but this would be better for tv.
Langston Kerman
Yeah.
Kevon J Stain
And once that happens, then you're out of it.
David Bore
Right.
Kevon J Stain
And once you're out of it, then the whole thing falls apart and TV becomes like.
David Bore
To me, the idea of this will be better for tv. It becomes like this amorphous thing where it's just like. And TV has no morals.
Langston Kerman
Right.
David Bore
We don't have any rules. If it's just for tv, we don't have to. We're not dealing with people anymore.
Kevon J Stain
Yeah. Remember the beginning of Real World?
Guest or Supporting Speaker
They went to work.
David Bore
Yes.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
They had, like, a lot of that.
Kevon J Stain
Show was them going to and coming from work.
David Bore
I remember New Orleans. Remember Skibidi bow, bow, bow yeah.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Come.
Kevon J Stain
On, be my baby tonight yeah I haven't seen the way you treated other thugs you've been with.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Come on, baby, baby, tonight Yo, I.
David Bore
Saw that, and I knew. I was like, this means something. I didn't know what, but I was like, this isn't. This doesn't. I saw something big for sure.
Kevon J Stain
That was huge.
Langston Kerman
We never seen a man like that again.
Kevon J Stain
No.
Langston Kerman
We really made him extinct, man. Do you know what I mean? We saw that and we were like, we don't care for this.
David Bore
No.
Kevon J Stain
We get him out of here, and.
David Bore
It'S the one thing every. What else happened that season?
Kevon J Stain
3Apple 3Apple 3, is it? That's gonna be my baby tonight he.
Langston Kerman
Should be so permanent in our lives. And we were like, we can't allow this.
David Bore
That should have started a career.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
The.
David Bore
The reach that. You don't get to reach that many people and not get rich, man. Sure. Like, I think they took him out. I think they took out Diabodui.
Langston Kerman
You think this was bigger than him?
David Bore
It was bigger than Diabodu.
Kevon J Stain
National security.
David Bore
Come on, man.
Kevon J Stain
Get President Bud on the line. What are we gonna do with this guy? And Bud, just like you mean it. President Bud. Hey, man, he doesn't have a possible thumb, but you got the point.
Langston Kerman
He's like, I'm hearing sounds in this.
David Bore
Y' all can't hear. You don't need thumbs to push the button, you know what I mean?
Langston Kerman
You ain't picking up what I'm picking up right now. Kill this nigga. Hey, fire nigga. This nigga.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Oh, my God.
Langston Kerman
With that, I collected a list of other reality shows that I'd love for us to remember together. Some of which I don't know that we'll remember. In fact, I'm almost certain many of them we won't remember. And I'm excited to share with you the news of what those shows are. Okay, do we remember from 2006? Black, white. Do you guys remember the reality show Black?
David Bore
It was on fx.
Langston Kerman
It was whiteface, blackface, white face, blackface.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Yeah.
David Bore
Cause I remember being like this around breaking.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
What? It was what? 2006?
Langston Kerman
Brother, wake up.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
It's crazy.
Langston Kerman
Brother, you gonna want to wake up on this one. The year is 2006. Ice Cube can do whatever he wants.
David Bore
I work at Conoco.
Langston Kerman
Ice Cube can do no wrong. He is the most powerful man in television. And Ice Cube produces a show for FX where they take a real white family and a real black family and then forced them for a month, I believe, to do blackface and whiteface. A full swap.
Kevon J Stain
Oh, my head's gonna explode. Yeah. Literally don't know. Know this at all.
Langston Kerman
It was a very real show that.
Kevon J Stain
So the Drewski sketch is a TV show, but it was not the quality.
David Bore
Of the Drewski sketch.
Kevon J Stain
Oh, the makeup wasn't?
Langston Kerman
No.
David Bore
Do you got pictures?
Langston Kerman
Yeah, I'm about to pull it up for you.
David Bore
Yeah, it was a crazy time.
Kevon J Stain
It was like, this is going to be the Hannibal Burris moment for Ice Cube. People knocking it out.
David Bore
I feel like they dropped Nip tuck so we would forget about that. They were like, whoa.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
No, no, no, no, no.
Langston Kerman
Yeah, okay. This is the quality. I'm sorry. Our technology is fine.
Kevon J Stain
No, this is fine.
Langston Kerman
We'll play the picture over it so that it's not ridiculous looking on camera, man.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
What?
David Bore
Yeah. This is unbelievable.
Kevon J Stain
Like this. You saw this with your eyes. You watched it on tv.
David Bore
I didn't want to watch the whole thing, but I remember because I remember seeing the rollout and being like, no way.
Langston Kerman
Yeah.
David Bore
Yeah, man.
Langston Kerman
Full black face, full white face.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
What?
Langston Kerman
Truly in every day, they look crazy. This is a terrible job unpacking how they feel about, like, their racial experience that day. And what is most fascinating about it for me is that the blackface technology was stronger than the white face technology.
David Bore
Well, I think that's why Jerusky, what he did is so huge. I Think it always has been.
Langston Kerman
And that. And that's what makes it so. Well, no, that's what. Yeah. Blackface has always existed.
David Bore
Yeah.
Langston Kerman
And so it becomes this weird thing where the black. The white people are somehow now asserting dominance over the white people. Black. White people in the show.
Kevon J Stain
Right.
Langston Kerman
Does that make sense? They're, like, somehow pretending like my black experience is more valuable in the.
Kevon J Stain
In the blackface makeup.
Langston Kerman
In the blackface makeup. Because I'm experiencing it so sincerely.
David Bore
Come on, dawg. That's what they do, baby.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
As I'm like, part for the course.
Langston Kerman
Yeah.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
They said, I've been over here a week.
David Bore
I tell you what's going on.
Langston Kerman
They're like, nah, I get it now.
Kevon J Stain
Listen here, Jamal.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Yeah.
David Bore
Hey, guess what? I still want you to pull up your pants.
Langston Kerman
Hey, bud.
Kevon J Stain
Been you.
Langston Kerman
And let me tell you, it's nothing special.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Oh, my God.
Kevon J Stain
Yeah.
David Bore
That shit was crazy. That was a crazy movie.
Langston Kerman
Wild show. Okay.
David Bore
I'd watch it again.
Kevon J Stain
Oh, my. I'm going home to see if there's.
David Bore
Is it available online?
Langston Kerman
I bet they've wiped it clean off.
Kevon J Stain
There's no way there's video.
Langston Kerman
I bet they burned that to the ground.
Kevon J Stain
I'd buy it.
David Bore
I'd buy the full series.
Kevon J Stain
Black face, Black White.
Langston Kerman
Kevin, be reasonable.
Kevon J Stain
Sorry.
Langston Kerman
You think it was called Blackface Wax Tube? Oh, is it?
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Yes.
Langston Kerman
Oh, that's beautiful.
David Bore
Well, I was supposed to make pork chops.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
This is the guy.
Langston Kerman
Yeah, that's him. That's him. 100%.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
This is crazy.
Kevon J Stain
This is gonna consume me. I want you guys to know it's gonna have to. My week is over.
Langston Kerman
I'm really.
Kevon J Stain
My children won't be getting picked up on time. Dad, I'm at school.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
I'm watching Black White, Black White is on. This is crazy enough.
Langston Kerman
I don't ask for much from my family. Just hush.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Put my Black White is on episodes.
Langston Kerman
Yeah.
Kevon J Stain
Langston.
Langston Kerman
Yeah, it was.
Kevon J Stain
Do you know what you've done?
Langston Kerman
It was really important to me, man. That was huge for me.
Kevon J Stain
Oh, my God.
Langston Kerman
Okay, the next one that I'm gonna run past you guys. The Swan. Do we remember the swan?
David Bore
Oh, busted. Fine. But surgery.
Langston Kerman
Yes.
David Bore
Yeah.
Langston Kerman
No. So the Swan. Fox reality show of 2004, where they took women who wanted something fixed in their body and face. But more importantly, were targeting busted ass ladies, specifically, like, truly ugly women. And then getting them all the plastic surgeries to turn them into baddies.
David Bore
06 plastic or 04 plastic surgery? 04, which was not the BBL technology we have today.
Langston Kerman
Nah, that looked like Michael. Every time.
David Bore
Is your life better?
Kevon J Stain
Oh, my God. Never heard of this one either.
Langston Kerman
This one is.
Kevon J Stain
What was I doing?
Langston Kerman
I don't know, man. You're missing out.
David Bore
Probably something reasonable.
Kevon J Stain
Cause you guys were not missing a thing.
David Bore
I was in high school, though.
Kevon J Stain
Oh, okay. Okay.
David Bore
I didn't have any other responsibilities.
Langston Kerman
I had keys to the house before other people got home, man. You know what I mean?
David Bore
My mom knew the shit that was on that tv.
Kevon J Stain
That's how we raised. They raised us. They were like, man, I don't know what you want me to do.
Langston Kerman
Yeah.
Kevon J Stain
Literally was like most of our.
Langston Kerman
Parents, I get off at 6.
Kevon J Stain
Yeah, literally, like, no after school care.
David Bore
It was like. It was like, don't cook.
Kevon J Stain
Don't cook. Don't turn on the microwave. Don't answer the door.
David Bore
Yeah, don't answer. Which is. Feels kind of dangerous because I feel like if you're knocking on the door, there was more of a chance it was someone to help the someone to hurt. Like, criminals don't go like, little boy, little boy.
Kevon J Stain
I mean, they do it. They don't do it in a sing song before.
David Bore
Right, right, right, right.
Langston Kerman
Yeah. That real, man.
Kevon J Stain
Little boy, little boy, little boy.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Hey, hey, little boy. I know you hear me. Little boy.
Kevon J Stain
That was like a strength village. Little boy, come and join me outside to play.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Do I have some candy for you.
David Bore
That accent got away from me.
Langston Kerman
Nah, you did great.
David Bore
It got away from me.
Langston Kerman
I think you nailed it.
David Bore
Thank you, man.
Langston Kerman
That was good.
David Bore
Thank you, man. I great about it in that moment.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Craziest thing I've ever been a part of.
David Bore
You gotta be honest, Got away from me.
Kevon J Stain
It's okay. It was you making sure he knew it was okay.
David Bore
No, that's my man. That's my guy.
Langston Kerman
I think he does great. Okay. I got some ones that I know neither one of you will know. Okay. Sperm race 2005.
Kevon J Stain
You made this up. This is fake.
Langston Kerman
I swear to God. This is a real show in 2005, there's like some weird fucking show reality show where they are racing sperm, like.
David Bore
The like actual nut.
Langston Kerman
Yeah. Nut. Into an egg, man.
David Bore
Nut.
Langston Kerman
To see. Yeah, to see.
David Bore
Into a woman egg.
Langston Kerman
Yeah, that's right. But it wasn't you racing against another man.
Kevon J Stain
It was which sperm is gonna win?
Langston Kerman
I think it was them betting on sperm.
Kevon J Stain
How do you even bet?
Langston Kerman
I don.
David Bore
How can you. I would rather.
Langston Kerman
Or maybe it had to have been different dudes. Maybe it was just seeing who was the most vulnerable man.
David Bore
I would rather race another man's nut.
Langston Kerman
Okay.
David Bore
My nut Versus your nut.
Langston Kerman
Nut. Nut. No.
Kevon J Stain
You think you're faster than me?
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Okay.
Kevon J Stain
Yeah.
David Bore
You're faster than me in feet.
Langston Kerman
Sure.
David Bore
Okay, that's great. That's great. Outside.
Langston Kerman
Yep.
David Bore
Let's see what you got when it counts.
Langston Kerman
Guess what? I run barefoot.
Kevon J Stain
Yeah.
Langston Kerman
That'S really. When I pick up speed, I take them shoes off. Now. Now you know what I do?
Kevon J Stain
Oh, snap.
Langston Kerman
Sperm race.
Kevon J Stain
That's crazy.
David Bore
What country?
Langston Kerman
Germany is where the pilot centers around a SM donation clinic. Several men donate to this clinic, and then their sperm compete in a challenge to see which one can fertilize an egg the fastest.
David Bore
What do you get if you win?
Kevon J Stain
Fatherhood.
David Bore
Gift is a loose term. Prize.
Langston Kerman
I got kids, so I wasn't gonna, like, jump down his neck about it, but I did think, well, that's not a prize. I'm proud of it. I'm very happy.
David Bore
I'd rather have ten pounds of bratwurst.
Langston Kerman
Whatever goofy German shit I like. Okay, here's another one that I know for a fact you all will not know. There was something in 2002 called worst driver. Worst Driver was a show that was a competition about who was the worst driver, where, like, it was a bunch of bad drivers competing to not be the worst driver or some shit.
Kevon J Stain
That's interesting.
David Bore
I would watch that.
Kevon J Stain
I would watch that, too. I'm a terrible driver, so I would. I would actually want to be on this.
David Bore
Man, I haven't driven for a long time, and I got to get back, and I'm nervous because I drive like old lady. I drive really slow. It was always a problem when I was driving.
Langston Kerman
Why?
David Bore
It's dangerous, man.
Kevon J Stain
All right.
David Bore
That's a big, huge car. I had a big old metal car. Anything could happen.
Langston Kerman
That's very fair.
David Bore
They say if they lowered the speed limit by, like, 20 miles an hour, there would be not nearly as many fatalities on the road.
Kevon J Stain
Really? Or we don't want to go for.
David Bore
It, or we won't do it.
Kevon J Stain
We got to get somewhere.
Langston Kerman
I don't think you can make the speed limit go backwards.
David Bore
No, no.
Kevon J Stain
You can go faster, but you can't go slower.
Langston Kerman
I think once you introduce the premise that these cars can go faster, you have to at least kind of appease.
Kevon J Stain
The buyer because it was, like, 45 on the freeway. That's just infuriating.
Langston Kerman
Why would I buy a Porsche?
Kevon J Stain
There's no reason.
Langston Kerman
So I'm cutting off an entire industry of luxury vehicles.
Kevon J Stain
Absolutely.
David Bore
I'm not saying they're going to do it. I'm just saying the speeds is what kills?
Kevon J Stain
No, no, we're just arguing with you on a point you didn't make.
Langston Kerman
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
I'm a man.
Langston Kerman
You're dead wrong.
Kevon J Stain
I pay my taxes.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
I support my family, foreign and domestic.
David Bore
What's the next show?
Langston Kerman
This is my favorite. And this will be the last one before we take this last break. The interception of 1997. The interception. I'm not even going to bother making y' all guess what this is, but this show is one of the most dangerous things ever put on television. It was a Russian reality show from the 90s that offered players a free car right in the beginning of the game, so long as they could evade the police for 35 straight minutes on.
David Bore
The autobahn or like through a town.
Langston Kerman
In just wherever the car is.
Kevon J Stain
So they just drop you and then.
Langston Kerman
Man, you just walk in, they go, you got a car? And then you gotta go.
David Bore
It's really lawless over there.
Langston Kerman
Yeah.
Kevon J Stain
What's going on?
David Bore
I mean, you know, it was a mid-90s Russia how long after the wall fell asleep? It was like the wild, wild west for reality tv, man.
Langston Kerman
They're like, chase them, see what happens.
Kevon J Stain
It's crazy.
Langston Kerman
It's really cool.
Kevon J Stain
It was a football show.
David Bore
That's what I was thinking. I was trying to think like, how could that be nuts?
Kevon J Stain
That was way off.
Langston Kerman
A police interception.
David Bore
Wow, man.
Kevon J Stain
I misread that terribly.
Langston Kerman
You never stood a chance.
David Bore
No, that was never gonna happen.
Langston Kerman
All right, we should take one more break.
David Bore
Yeah, let's take one more.
Langston Kerman
We'll take. Take one more break. We'll be back. What my mama told me.
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I don't see nothing wrong.
Kevon J Stain
Man, what is wrong with y', all, man? Like, how did y' all find each other? Cause one of you is like, a lot. Yeah, it's the two of y' all together.
David Bore
Yeah.
Langston Kerman
Yeah.
Kevon J Stain
It builds upon itself.
David Bore
Yeah.
Kevon J Stain
That's really the problem.
David Bore
You should be here when there's no not you. And it's just echoing. Oh, man, it's fucked up.
Langston Kerman
It's honestly a toxic work environment.
David Bore
Yeah. We're gonna get rich and then we're gonna kill each other for sure.
Kevon J Stain
You guys are gonna be hauling oats. No.
Langston Kerman
Yeah. We're not gonna speak.
Kevon J Stain
That's pretty good, though.
David Bore
That's pretty good.
Kevon J Stain
Yeah, but I mean, the music will be there.
David Bore
Yeah, yeah.
Langston Kerman
We always got the music.
Kevon J Stain
We always got the music.
Langston Kerman
And that's why we ain't never got a tour together again.
Kevon J Stain
For sure. You can go listen to what we created.
David Bore
Exactly.
Kevon J Stain
Bro.
Langston Kerman
You think I'm. You think I'm gonna do it better, right? Yeah, no, you got it.
David Bore
No, no, no. We reached high heights and. All right.
Langston Kerman
We're gonna do a voicemail. We're gonna listen to one of these.
David Bore
They're usually drunk. Okay. Our fans.
Langston Kerman
Oh, this is an exciting one. I'm excited to hear this. Okay, here we go.
Caller or Listener
Okay. So I'm a new lil moms, and I have a conspiracy for y' all today.
Langston Kerman
Okay. Here we go.
Caller or Listener
I truly believe that business casual at the club was invented by white people.
David Bore
Yeah. I think. Yes.
Kevon J Stain
This is 100% true.
David Bore
Yeah. I don't think this is a crazy.
Caller or Listener
To keep us out the club. So we have to dress professional to get in the club.
Kevon J Stain
This is almost verifiable. This is almost verifiable.
David Bore
Yeah, That's.
Kevon J Stain
There's no legal way to be. Like, no blacks.
Langston Kerman
Yeah.
David Bore
You know, just like.
Kevon J Stain
Bet you don't have a tie.
David Bore
No jerseys. No jerseys. Big ass jerseys.
Kevon J Stain
We had to choose between, like, fashion or.
David Bore
And you're like, sir, my hat is a pinwheel, bro. Clearly, I deserve that.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
They're not gonna know what to do.
Kevon J Stain
We've been forced to wear a shirt and tie and throwback jerseys are in.
David Bore
Yeah.
Kevon J Stain
They're gonna just. Their head's gonna explode, and they're not gonna come inside.
David Bore
I was outside like. But I put this G unit tank top on layaway.
Langston Kerman
The nasty brainwashing they did that had me in a club with a fucking bow tie on. Do you know what I mean? Like, I used to. I was. I became a bow tie dude for a second.
David Bore
Yeah, man. How many did you have?
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Multiple bow ties, bro.
Langston Kerman
I had a few.
David Bore
You had more bow ties than you had jerseys.
Kevon J Stain
Oh, yeah.
David Bore
At that point.
Kevon J Stain
Yeah.
Langston Kerman
Yeah, yeah.
Kevon J Stain
Damn.
Langston Kerman
By that era. Yeah.
Kevon J Stain
Cause a jersey's not gonna. There's no function.
David Bore
Yeah.
Kevon J Stain
It's not gonna exclude you from anything.
Langston Kerman
It wasn't helping me do what I needed to do. I needed to be around where them women's was at, and I needed to have whatever was getting to get me in there. So I. The sharpest one I can find. And that's so stupid.
Kevon J Stain
Were you. Were you hand tying the bow ties at one point? You were serious about it?
Guest or Supporting Speaker
I was sick.
David Bore
N Light skin king. For real.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
I was sick.
David Bore
Respected.
Kevon J Stain
You're like, you didn't even have to do that.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
No.
Kevon J Stain
Nobody's checking the tie.
David Bore
You could Clip it on.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
I was so afraid they would.
Kevon J Stain
You learned them tie both. No. YouTube, man.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Yeah, you were.
Langston Kerman
I was joking.
Kevon J Stain
You did right on YouTube.
Langston Kerman
I think I learned early YouTube.
Kevon J Stain
Okay, good.
Langston Kerman
Like, I think it was, like, one of those early tutorials that were, like, innocuous enough that they could just be attractive to anybody, because now there's tutorials on, like, how to cut open this specific flavor of Laura Can.
David Bore
Yeah.
Langston Kerman
And it's like. That is so specific. It was when it was just everywhere.
David Bore
What? You're going out? Mm. It's 2008. Nine.
Langston Kerman
2009 sounds.
David Bore
You're going out. It's 2009. You're tying your bow tie.
Langston Kerman
I don't like the way you said it. It felt nasty.
David Bore
I'm not. I didn't even get to my question.
Langston Kerman
Look how he laughed.
David Bore
Listen, I didn't even look how he laughed. I can't answer.
Langston Kerman
You make me feel small in front of my friend.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
I didn't make you smile. I want to know.
David Bore
I just kept asking, you did this.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
While you did it.
David Bore
That was me not knowing how. Both times were you.
Kevon J Stain
You did something.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
I don't understand the technology. I don't understand the technology.
David Bore
It's 2008.
Langston Kerman
Hands to yourself. Hands to yourself.
David Bore
It's 2008.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
You're dying.
David Bore
You're bow tie. I just want to know what song it's playing.
Langston Kerman
All right, man. That's. I think that's all we needed to do.
David Bore
Cole, come on, man.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Come on.
Langston Kerman
I think that's all we needed.
David Bore
Don't be like that. Just tell me what song was playing.
Langston Kerman
I just thought we was brothers, bro.
David Bore
Come on. All right.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
I would tell you what song. I wouldn't even go to the car. I ain't no hoes in the way, bro. You want to know what I was doing? I was smoking mid.
David Bore
In my Chevy Lumina.
Kevon J Stain
With a Chevy Lumina.
David Bore
All right. Boy, It's a good car.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
I never met anybody else who had that one.
David Bore
What color?
Langston Kerman
My stepdad had a Chevy Luma.
Kevon J Stain
It was, like, light blue like yours.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
No way.
Kevon J Stain
Absolutely.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Mine was light blue. I swear to God. I swear to God. You would have never heard anybody else. They had that car.
Langston Kerman
We had a white Chevy Lumina.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
You too.
David Bore
That's a good car.
Kevon J Stain
Chevy was. Chevy had an impact on us.
David Bore
It was so good. It was so good.
Kevon J Stain
Wow.
Langston Kerman
Yeah. I have bad memories from it, but, yeah, it was.
David Bore
I was smoking. Yeah.
Langston Kerman
I don't have warm memories of a Chevy Lumina at all.
Kevon J Stain
Okay.
Langston Kerman
I'm sorry, but it was a Big car.
David Bore
Well, now this feels like I don't want to even finish the bid anymore.
Kevon J Stain
I feel like a cigarette with cigarette was burning.
David Bore
Yeah. This shit sucks. I'm sorry.
Kevon J Stain
Washed aluminum. When you're done.
David Bore
Go get.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Go get my cigarettes out of the Lumina.
Kevon J Stain
Take him to a bad place.
Langston Kerman
The Lumina stopped up the block. Push it. Go outside and push it.
Kevon J Stain
Chevy's bringing back the Illumina and Lexus just like.
David Bore
No.
Langston Kerman
I'm just watching a Super bowl commercial.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Like, no. Dad, are you okay?
Langston Kerman
No, I'm not okay.
David Bore
I'm sorry for what happened to you. It was a good ass car. You don't need to tell me that.
Kevon J Stain
The bench seat one, I think I had a newer model.
David Bore
Mine had a. Mine was like. I think it was a 92, I believe. Flat bench seat in the front though. Big old back seat. It's such a good car.
Kevon J Stain
Got me a lot of places.
David Bore
Yeah, me too.
Langston Kerman
This is the car I learned to drive on.
David Bore
Really?
Langston Kerman
Yes.
David Bore
I bet there's a terrible story back there.
Kevon J Stain
My own money.
David Bore
That's me.
Langston Kerman
You bought a Chevy?
Kevon J Stain
I bought it for $1,500. Oh, yeah.
David Bore
I bought it like.
Kevon J Stain
Yeah. From my car parking lot.
Langston Kerman
That makes sense. The price makes absolute sense.
Kevon J Stain
Yes.
Langston Kerman
By the time you get to your age to buy a Chevy loom.
Caller or Listener
Yeah.
Kevon J Stain
It's 1500 bucks.
Langston Kerman
It should not exceed $2,000.
David Bore
I bought mine from my best friend's mom's boyfriend. Oh. Shout out to Marty. Man, you know I did was not good for it.
Kevon J Stain
Yeah. You know that.
David Bore
To be honest, I just got that job at Sam's Club and I was living at David's.
Langston Kerman
Wait.
Kevon J Stain
Let you make payments? Payments?
David Bore
Oh, payment. Listen, man, I didn't pay for that car, Kev. Is that what you wanted to know?
Kevon J Stain
I don't know what happened.
David Bore
I didn't end up paying for all of it.
Kevon J Stain
Okay.
David Bore
And then it died. And then I. Man. And then I left it in the Papa Murphy's taking bake parking lot.
Langston Kerman
Wow.
Kevon J Stain
You just abandoned aluminum.
David Bore
I was.
Kevon J Stain
You didn't take it to a fireman.
David Bore
I didn't know how to.
Kevon J Stain
Come on, guys. That was good.
David Bore
That was pretty good. I think that was a nice way to end.
Kevon J Stain
Come on, man. We gotta go out on that.
Langston Kerman
That was pretty nice.
Kevon J Stain
If you watch the whole episode. Yeah, that is worth it.
Langston Kerman
That was pretty good.
Kevon J Stain
If you watch the whole episode, we.
David Bore
Gotta do like the Looney Tunes circle like. That was good. That's.
Kevon J Stain
Dude, if you're on stage right now, if you had seven minutes left, you're like, nothing's gonna beat that. I gotta go.
Langston Kerman
Give credit where credit is due, brother. You wrapped it up.
David Bore
Yeah.
Langston Kerman
This ain't our show no more.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
That's yours.
Kevon J Stain
Damn. Hey, like, that's the Perfect.
Langston Kerman
I didn't know you worked here. My bad, man. Just let us take our stuff off the walls. It's all yours.
David Bore
You want to hear from me and Langston? We're doing a black and white Re Rock podcast. Probably on a different network, to be honest.
Kevon J Stain
We just gotta have to let me know when this comes out, because I don't want to, like, steal the thunder of this. Yeah, but the world has to. I have literally been on the Internet for. I've never heard this ever, bro. This is going to change things.
David Bore
FX used to really be for freaks back then.
Kevon J Stain
No, they had to then differentiate themselves.
David Bore
Yeah.
Langston Kerman
FX didn't have any hold on, like, cool show.
David Bore
It was like playmakers, and black and.
Kevon J Stain
White Playmakers come on the NFL. That's my other conspiracy. I mean, that probably is just. Everybody knows that the NFL is just like, hey, man, turn that off, or you never play. You never watch a game again.
David Bore
No, Playmakers couldn't happen.
Kevon J Stain
Playmakers was like. I was watching. They're like, this is the best show ever. And the NFL, 100% is like, this. Probably worse.
Langston Kerman
Yeah.
Kevon J Stain
And the NFL was like, this is terrible for the Shield.
Langston Kerman
We don't like how this makes us look.
Kevon J Stain
And, like, not only did ESPN not pick, no one touched it. Like, I get why ESPN was like, okay, that's bad business for us.
David Bore
Yeah.
Kevon J Stain
But no network was like, yo, it really does.
David Bore
It's the same reason that blitz game where you could give people shots didn't catch on. You remember that?
Langston Kerman
I do.
Kevon J Stain
You remember that?
David Bore
When NFL blitzed, when you could give them cortisone shots and shit like that, that shit came out one year and they never did it again.
Langston Kerman
Now it was meant to be like, the real football.
David Bore
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kevon J Stain
That's too much.
David Bore
Yeah.
Langston Kerman
No, we really, at one point had to bend the knee to corporations in a way that, like, they even now, probably. I bet there's a fear to fuck with the NFL 1000%.
David Bore
Yeah. Cause you don't. Nobody does.
Kevon J Stain
No.
David Bore
You really can't go at the NFL like that.
Langston Kerman
Yeah.
Kevon J Stain
They survived. Kaepernick. Even ballers with so many black players.
David Bore
Yeah.
Langston Kerman
Yeah.
Kevon J Stain
Like that, bro. That would have brought other companies to their knees.
Langston Kerman
Right.
Kevon J Stain
They played just enough cards. Right. That black people came. I stopped. I turned down the most lucrative brand deal ever. The NFL was, like, trying to get back in the good graces of the blacks. Whoa, whoa. And they offered me an amount of money I've never seen before or since.
Langston Kerman
Holy shit.
Kevon J Stain
And I was just like, this is the moment. I either sell out or don't. And I didn't sell out. And a comedian, no disrespect to him. He took the bag.
Langston Kerman
Yeah.
Kevon J Stain
And then black people were back in, like, three months. And I was like, you thought. You thought this was my civil rights moment. And, like, I had to stand for something.
Langston Kerman
You were John Lee Lewis.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Oh, no, Kev. You were John Lewis.
Kevon J Stain
And then it was wasted in, like, three months.
David Bore
Kev, I can't tell you how bad that story hurts my feelings.
Kevon J Stain
Oh, man. But I. You did it, though.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
No, you. You.
Kevon J Stain
And nobody would have known. Like, some people didn't even boycott. I would have been good. But my soul was not for sale.
Langston Kerman
Fuck, man.
Kevon J Stain
But, brother, it was life changing.
David Bore
Can we say. Can I ask you a question? Six or seven?
Kevon J Stain
It was closer to seven, but it was six.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
God damn.
Kevon J Stain
And I was like.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
I thought we were talking four or five. No, no, no.
Kevon J Stain
I really, like, had to, like. I felt like the Illuminati door was gonna open after, like, once you accept this. My thing was, if I do this, then what won't I do?
Langston Kerman
Yeah.
Kevon J Stain
And if I can't stand up for what I believe in, then there's no telling what I'll do.
Langston Kerman
And I will say that that's not a number that anybody can offer you without. Without putting so many strings.
Kevon J Stain
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
David Bore
That's the thing about it. You don't get the money and walk.
Langston Kerman
No kidding, silly.
Kevon J Stain
Without nothing. And I was like, nah, man. And I was living in Reseda at the time.
David Bore
Damn.
Kevon J Stain
Like, my house has be to be like that. That's why I said, Rosita. We had a bee problem inside of our house.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
See, he was living with bees.
Kevon J Stain
Bees were coming out of the light fixtures. And we were like, how are the bees in.
David Bore
That's the worst animal to have your house full of.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Oh, man. Are the bees getting in? And they made a hide inside.
Kevon J Stain
My kids were like, why are there so many bees?
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Children? Daddy the beast.
David Bore
Hey, you're a good man, bro. You a good man right here.
Langston Kerman
You were tucking your boys in with bees, yo. And you turned that money down for black people.
Kevon J Stain
For black people. Cuz, I feel like, bro, I'm going to be black forever. Come on. There's no amount of money that's gonna prevent me from being black. Hey, you guys can't be the guy that went against what my people was.
David Bore
Respect him. Kevon J Stain.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Oh, my God.
Kevon J Stain
I had this much fun on a podcast in a long time. I be crying and stuff, but this is. This is a reset.
David Bore
Hell, yeah.
Kevon J Stain
This is what I needed, man.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Hell, yeah.
Kevon J Stain
This is all right. This is exactly what I needed.
Langston Kerman
We wasn't even gonna bring up all them tears, man.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
We seen it. Hey, you know, we seen it.
Kevon J Stain
Of course. This is perfect.
Langston Kerman
I talked to you like a man the whole time.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Yo, you see how he does that?
David Bore
The very end.
Langston Kerman
Looked you in your eyes.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Wasn't that nice? It's nice.
David Bore
Oh, man.
Langston Kerman
Kev, tell the people where they can find you.
Kevon J Stain
You can find me, Kev on stage. Everywhere except TikTok. For some reason, somebody beat me to that. Kev on stage. TikTok.
David Bore
Is it a guy named Kev on stage?
Kevon J Stain
I don't even know, man. That's crazy. That's the only one. I'm like, give it back. Give it back, man. Come on, man.
Langston Kerman
You know what you're doing.
Kevon J Stain
Give it back.
Langston Kerman
Give it back.
Kevon J Stain
But, yeah, I came on stage everywhere, man. You can buy my book, you can watch my shows, or just follow me if you ain't got no bread. I mean, I didn't mean to say it like that. Sometimes people be like, kev, I ain't got it. And I understand that.
Langston Kerman
So I just said, like, your broke ass got something to go ahead to Instagram. I'll put some clips up there.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
You'll see that not what I meant.
Kevon J Stain
I'm just saying, like, I understand times is hard. That's all I'm saying. People be like, hell, I can't. I'm not getting no other streaming service. I'm not buying no book. No. Then just follow me. That's all I ask.
Langston Kerman
Hell, yeah.
David Bore
Cool, man.
Langston Kerman
What you got?
David Bore
Cool guy jokes87 on Instagram. It sounds like a joke. Now my special Birth of a nation with the G. Thank you to everyone who had read who paid for it. Now it's coming out on 800 pound gorilla media September 30th. Watch it on YouTube for free.
Kevon J Stain
Oh, that really is your Instagram name?
Langston Kerman
Yeah. Jokes87.
David Bore
Yeah. I didn't believe in the platform. I thought we were on the same. Now I feel like we're on different pages.
Kevon J Stain
First, I thought I followed you.
Langston Kerman
See what you aligned yourself with, dog?
Kevon J Stain
I thought this was a running joke. I was like, I wonder who has school guy jokes. And it was like, David.
David Bore
Yeah, that's.
Langston Kerman
Yeah, that's been him. The Whole time. Big Dog.
David Bore
Special'S really funny, man.
Langston Kerman
Great special.
David Bore
It was a great special. Langston likes it. It's on YouTube.
Langston Kerman
Olivia said she gonna watch soon. She gonna watch it.
Kevon J Stain
All right.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Nobody watched it before.
David Bore
Cause that made people pay for it. But now it's humiliated.
Langston Kerman
It's a great specialty.
David Bore
And the people who paid for it.
Kevon J Stain
I'm not giving that money back.
David Bore
You gave it to me and it's mine now. I live in a townhouse.
Langston Kerman
Langston, you can follow me. Langston Kerman on all social media platforms.
Kevon J Stain
He said that a lot.
David Bore
He's really good.
Kevon J Stain
I feel like he made sure that he knew that he got his name on all. Yeah, it does feel like a little slight, an unnecessary slight.
David Bore
I would call it a microaggression.
Kevon J Stain
I really would. It's a light skinned microaggression. Whoa, brother colorist.
David Bore
Come on. Whoa.
Kevon J Stain
Cause you know how they do. Of light skin, full hair, beard, green eyes, green eyes.
David Bore
Singing a little bit.
Kevon J Stain
I sing a little bit. Got my name on all platforms. Oh, my. Nobody beat me to it on TikTok. You feel me?
David Bore
The seeds of discontent just showed in this relationship, man.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
I'm not gonna let him do that to us. Also.
David Bore
Cause you drove me here and I.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Appreciate you for that.
David Bore
Probably gonna need a ride home.
Langston Kerman
This man attacks me in front of you.
Guest or Supporting Speaker
Help. Help.
David Bore
This podcast has been brought to you by President Air Budd.
Langston Kerman
He's a great president, but he is. He does confuse people. He makes it complicated. You can see me on tour. I'm on the Aspiring Deadbeat tour. You can see me in Phoenix, in Wilmington, Cleveland, Brooklyn, East Providence, Detroit, Grand Rapids and more. All coming up. Buy those tickets@langston kerman.com follow us like subscribe. Send all your thoughts to mymamapodmail.com and most importantly, give us a call at 844-LIL-MOMS. That's all we needed to tell you. Bye, bitch.
Kevon J Stain
Pop my butt. Pop. Pop my butt. Pop my butt. Pop. Pop my butt. Do you know what pop my butt.
Langston Kerman
Meant to Harriet Tubman? Do you know what that meant?
Guest or Supporting Speaker
It meant a whip.
Langston Kerman
My Mama Told Me is a production of Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network.
David Bore
And I Heart Podcast, created and hosted by Langston Kirkman, co hosted by David Bore, executive produced by Will Ferrell Hansani and Olivia Aguilar.
Langston Kerman
Co produced by Bay Wang.
David Bore
Edited and engineered by Justin Cotton.
Langston Kerman
Music by Nick Chambers.
David Bore
Artwork by Dogon Krieger.
Langston Kerman
You can now watch episodes of My Mama told me on YouTube, follow at my Mama Told Me and subscribe to our channel.
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Episode Title: Reality TV Ain't Real! Pt. 2 (with Kevin Fredericks aka KevOnStage)
Date: September 23, 2025
Hosts: Langston Kerman & David Gborie
Guest: Kevin Fredericks (KevOnStage)
Producer: Big Money Players Network & iHeartPodcasts
In this lively and hilarious episode, Langston, David, and guest KevOnStage dissect the evolution (or devolution) of reality TV, examining its shift from authenticity to heavily produced spectacle. The trio reminisces about the wildest and weirdest reality shows of the past, unpacks the racial dynamics behind “business casual” club dress codes, and share personal stories and reflections on integrity, success, and the entertainment industry. The vibe is comedic, energetic, and at times unexpectedly heartfelt.
Early Reality TV (“This Is Your Life”) and Its Decline
“They started to go for a more traumatic story every time... it’s now ‘we need a plumber with one leg and one eye who’s beat all the odds’... People started to feel this got... cheesy in a contrived way.”
Producers Ruining the Innocence of Reality Shows
“Can we pinpoint the executive who set us on this trajectory?... It was one dude being like, ‘I think we should do something nasty.’”
Kev on “Married at First Sight”
“Married at First Sight was like... about love, man. And then at some point, it was like, I don’t think they want these people to fall in love anymore, bro.”
“They’re making some of the most toxic relationships out there.”
Loss of Trust
“Pastor Calvin, we weren’t trusting the experts anymore. You’re not trusting the show.”
“I saw that, and I knew. I was like, this means something. I didn’t know what, but... I saw something big for sure.”
“Black. White.” (2006, FX)
“Ice Cube produces a show for FX where... a real white family and a real black family... forced them for a month... to do blackface and whiteface. A full swap.”
“The white people are now somehow asserting dominance over the white people... pretending my black experience is more valuable... Because I’m experiencing it so sincerely.”
“The Swan” (2004, FOX)
“Fox reality show... where they took women who wanted something fixed in their body... and then getting them all the plastic surgeries to turn them into baddies.”
“Sperm Race” (2005, Germany)
“What do you get if you win?”
“Fatherhood.”
“Worst Driver” (2002)
“The Interception” (1997, Russia)
“The show is one of the most dangerous things ever put on television... offered players a free car... so long as they could evade the police for 35 minutes.”
“There’s no legal way to be like, ‘no Blacks.’”
“The nasty brainwashing they did that had me in a club with a fucking bow tie on. Do you know what I mean?”
“...they offered me an amount of money I’ve never seen before or since. And I was just like, this is the moment. I either sell out or I don’t. And I didn’t sell out... but my soul was not for sale.”
“Once you accept this. My thing was, if I do this, then what won’t I do?”
On Reality TV’s Shift (03:31, Langston Kerman):
“It wasn’t just a plumber. It's now we need a plumber with one leg and one eye who’s beat all the odds... our version of reality television starts to take shape.”
On Toxic Relationships in “Married at First Sight” (05:20, Langston Kerman):
“They’re making some of the most toxic relationships out there.”
On “Black. White.” (09:02, Langston Kerman):
“Ice Cube… produces a show for FX where they take a real white family and a real Black family and then force them for a month, I believe, to do Blackface and Whiteface. A full swap.”
On Club Dress Codes (25:13, KevOnStage):
“There’s no legal way to be like, ‘no Blacks’… Bet you don’t have a tie.”
On Turning Down the NFL (34:09, KevOnStage):
“They offered me an amount of money I've never seen before or since. I was just like, this is the moment — I either sell out or I don't. And I didn’t sell out. My soul was not for sale.”
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This episode is a must-listen for anyone fascinated by the absurd history of reality TV, questions of racial bias in American culture, and comedians’ perspective on keeping your soul in show biz.