Robots are Racist (with Brett Gray)

Summary

Podcast Summary: My Momma Told Me – "Robots are Racist" (with Brett Gray)

Date: February 24, 2026
Hosts: Langston Kerman, David Gborie
Guest: Brett Gray

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Episode Overview

In this engaging and humorous episode, comedians Langston Kerman and David Gborie invite actor and singer Brett Gray ("I'm a Virgo", "MJ the Musical", "Barbershop") to dive into the conspiracy theory: "Robots are Racist." The trio explore the nature and definition of robots, the biases inherent in AI, and debate whether advanced machines can develop and perpetuate racism. Their conversation flows from comedic banter and generational pop culture differences to real-world examples and research on racial bias in technology.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Generational Gaps and Black Cultural Canon

• Early Banter: The episode kicks off with lighthearted teasing about phone cases, Gen Z habits, and a generational gap around movies like "Cool Runnings" and “Johnny Tsunami”.
  • Brett admits never seeing "Cool Runnings":

    “What year did that come out?” (07:24, Brett Gray)
    “29 is old enough to have seen Cool Runnings.” (07:28, David Gborie)

2. The Main Conspiracy: Are Robots Racist?

• Launching the Topic:

  “You said, my mama told me robots are racist.” (10:56, Langston Kerman)

• Defining ‘Robot’: Brett clarifies he's thinking about human-like, intelligent robots, not just Roombas or manufacturing arms. He references robots like in "Ex Machina" and emerging humanoid AI.

  “When I think robots, I think like, have you guys ever seen Ex Machina?” (11:52, Brett Gray)

• Potential for Racism: Brett and the hosts discuss that AI’s ability to detect and classify people by race could easily lead to bias if—especially once given power (e.g., as hiring managers).
  • Brett:

    "If the robots are like now hiring managers, I do think that it could be racist... Because it can go in your history, detect who you are... and decide based on a lot of different factors." (13:47, Brett Gray)

• Institutional Power: They debate if robots can be “racist” if they become decision-makers or if their bias is more broadly anti-human, especially if AI becomes an entirely new “race.”
• Human vs. Robot Survival:
  • Discussion veers into whether robots would depend on humans for maintenance and upgrades, or if they could evolve past human need entirely.

3. Real-Life Examples of Bias in Robotics and Technology

• Motion Sensor Racism: David shares his experience that automatic hand dryers and faucets work less effectively for darker skin, sparking both playful and serious discussion:

  “Motion sensor robots are racist as a dark skinned individual... Paper towel dispensers. The darker your skin is, the less they work.” (33:03, David Gborie)

  • Langston adds:

    "Even my experience... I ain't that far from the shit that they should be able to manufacture it for." (33:07, Langston Kerman)

• Study Cited: Langston presents findings from a legitimate scientific study by Georgia Tech, UW, and Johns Hopkins:

  “A study... confirms that robots have an active bias against people's race and sex.” (35:01, Langston Kerman)

  • Robots picked white and Asian men more as ‘doctors’, black men as ‘criminals’ 10% more, and Latino men as ‘janitors’ 10% more—mirroring existing social biases. (36:51, Langston Kerman)

4. Where AI Gets Its Biases

• Training Data: They consider how AI, trained on biased human data (e.g., the internet), will inevitably reproduce and even amplify those same biases.

  “You can't... Our internet... is far more consumed with bias than it is with truth. And in that way it's training [robots]..." (38:13, Langston Kerman)

5. Can AI Institutionalize Racism Further?

• Scope of Decision-Making: Brett raises concerns about AI entering institutional roles (e.g., deciding court cases), and Langston points out this may already be happening in subtler ways due to reliance on AI-powered search and summaries.
• Examples: Google’s AI Overviews as a source of misinformation:

  “The AI overview is often wrong... it skips over a lot of information or sometimes picks the wrong one because it's just there are way more articles saying this wrong thing..." (44:22, Langston Kerman)

• ChatGPT 'Coded Blackness': Jokes about AI using slang when tailored to Black users, highlighting how simplistic or misguided the modeling can be.

  “I've asked it to write me an email and it'll be like, yo.” (45:52, Brett Gray)

6. Pop Culture, Conspiracies, and Blackness

• Voicemail: Ghostwriter as Slave Ghost?:
  • Caller shares a rumor that PBS’s “Ghostwriter” is actually a runaway slave killed by dogs—a “dark” premise for a children’s show.
  • Hosts and Brett largely dismiss this theory, comparing it to “white people bullshit” and after-the-fact symbolic retconning.

  “That is white people sort of attempting to add a weight to a thing that they weren't actually writing about.” (55:35, Langston Kerman)

• Imaginative Theories:
  • The gang riff on Barney being imaginary ("Yeah, I guess. Every time"), and reflect playfully on PBS kids canon—“Arthur,” “Dragon Tales,” “Reading Rainbow.”
  • DMX's meme version of "Reading Rainbow" song makes an appearance:

    “Suck my dick.” (60:43, David Gborie)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Langston on the mission:

  "We dive deep into the pockets of black conspiracy theories, and we finally work to prove absolutely nothing..." (04:02, Langston Kerman)

• On the futility of arguing with tech:

  “The transfer of control out of your daily life to these things is, like, kind of the scariest transition in my lifetime...” (25:37, David Gborie)

• On skepticism toward technological progress:

  "We weren't unimaginative... But it was like, oh, there's a day where I wake up and the Google is in charge of how we find out information." (25:59, Langston Kerman)

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Important Timestamps

• [10:56] – Introduction of the “robots are racist” conspiracy
• [13:47] – Brett’s explanation of how AI could be racist in hiring
• [33:03] – David’s personal experience with racial bias in hand dryers
• [35:01] – Langston introduces academic research on robot bias
• [36:51] – Data/statistics from study: AI classifying races into stereotypes
• [44:22] – Google AI Overview and the spread of misinformation
• [45:52] – ChatGPT’s attempts at Black ‘voice’
• [53:11] – Voicemail about “Ghostwriter” as a slave ghost
• [55:35] – Hosts dismiss after-the-fact attempts to ascribe hidden racial history
• [60:43] – Humorous DMX “Reading Rainbow” moment

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Tone and Language

The episode is consistently playful, irreverent, and rooted in Black pop culture. The hosts blend silliness with sharp socio-technical analysis, and Brett Gray proves an affable, quick-witted guest. Their style is profane, deeply self-aware, and often self-deprecating, betraying a real affection for both the subject and each other.

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Closing & Shout Outs

• Plugs: Brett Gray’s upcoming Amazon Prime project "Barbershop", and his socials.
• Shout-out: Live shows for Langston and David (especially in New Orleans), Patreon, and listener engagement.
• Final Reflection:

  "We cannot let white people continue to use slavery as a weapon against us. We gotta draw a line somewhere." (58:56, Langston Kerman)

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Summary Takeaway

Robots may inherit the world, but for now, they're still running on our (decidedly flawed) data—and thus, our biases. The hosts urge listeners to stay skeptical, laugh at the absurdity, and remember that racial bias isn't just built into old systems—it's being coded into new ones, too. As always, they invite listeners to call in with their own theories, share the ridiculous, and, if you must, threaten to take the mics away.

Transcript

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[David Bore]

Damn. No case.

[Brett Gray]

No case ever.

[David Bore]

I can't do it.

[Brett Gray]

Why can't you?

[David Bore]

This is my second Most expensive possession this, brother.

[Langston Kerman]

Gen Z, man.

[Brett Gray]

You know what? Like, you bought an expensive possession that you're hiding.

[David Bore]

My little brother doesn't use a case either. And he be. And he can't afford it.

[Brett Gray]

Yeah. I just feel like the phone is beautiful, so, like, why cover it up?

[David Bore]

That's where we're different. I don't even think this shit cute.

[Brett Gray]

Really cute. Okay. To me, I'm like, this is one of the best iPhones I've seen.

[Langston Kerman]

Really?

[Brett Gray]

And then the orange color is dope.

[Langston Kerman]

The very idea of it breaking scares me so much.

[Brett Gray]

Y' all don't have Apple care that

[Langston Kerman]

I will protect it in dookie. I will literally coat my phone in dookie to keep this from shattering.

[David Bore]

If that gives another year on it. Yeah, I would think about it.

[Langston Kerman]

I need this.

[Brett Gray]

That was really vulgar and unnecessary and so wrong in many ways.

[David Bore]

The government growing babies. Microchips in your anus. All koala bears are racist. The ozone layer owes me money. Marshes invented turkey stuffing. Y' all can't tell me nothing. Kamehameha.

[Langston Kerman]

There it is. There it is. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, little Mama and gentiles alike. Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me the podcast, where we

[David Bore]

dive deep into the pockets of black

[Langston Kerman]

conspiracy theories, and we finally work to prove absolutely nothing that you need. Kathy, it will not help. It ain't gonna help. If you're coming here for help. That is your mistake. And while we're on the subject, I've been wanting to talk to you about this and mainly them. I want to address this with them while you're here. Stop threatening to take our microphones away. It's enough.

[David Bore]

That's the number one black hater comment on the Internet. Take the mics away. Y' all gotta take the mics away.

[Langston Kerman]

Stop threatening to do this.

[David Bore]

You're gonna do this with all the mic. You don't think I just do this in a car? You think I give a fuck about this microphone?

[Langston Kerman]

This is how we talk.

[David Bore]

This is just it.

[Langston Kerman]

This is what you signed. We are not missing. Never. You know why? This is what we signed up to do together. We didn't fuck up. You don't get it. And that's totally okay.

[David Bore]

That's fine.

[Langston Kerman]

This wasn't for you. We wish you never found this video. But you cannot threaten to take our microphones away when we're goddamn nailing it every fucking week.

[David Bore]

We are going too hard.

[Langston Kerman]

We're going crazy.

[David Bore]

You can't. You can't have these if you like what we do. But then sometimes, yeah, that's. That's a good cat caveat. If you don't like what you. Then, then probably all the stuff you think is true.

[Langston Kerman]

Stay away from here. Run from here, don't come back.

[David Bore]

Then. Then we are just chatting about nothing.

[Langston Kerman]

Them.

[Brett Gray]

Hi.

[David Bore]

Do these got uncles? If you're short, just say,

[Langston Kerman]

That's a real one.

[Bowen Yang]

Very recently.

[Langston Kerman]

And that one did sting. That one did hurt our feelings.

[David Bore]

It's always. Cause people. This isn't like a news podcast.

[Langston Kerman]

Nah, bro.

[David Bore]

And then they're like, this is factually incorrect.

[Langston Kerman]

We're not helping, man.

[David Bore]

We don't even. We don't even like you.

[Langston Kerman]

Our guest today is, I would say,

[Brett Gray]

dramatically unprepared for this.

[David Bore]

No, you're doing good already. You're doing good already.

[Langston Kerman]

I think you're gonna nail it because you are so, so much more reasonable than either of us. We're so excited that you're here. A talent, a phenom. One of the most beautiful voices I've ever heard in real life.

[David Bore]

Wow.

[Langston Kerman]

Just walking around set. You sing. And I go, God damn, this motherfucker's a monster. Oh, thank you. This is unbelievable. The talent on this man.

[Brett Gray]

Thank you.

[Langston Kerman]

You know him. You know him from I'm a Virgo. You know him from MJ the Musical. God damn. This. This man plays Michael.

[David Bore]

Let's go.

[Langston Kerman]

This man play Michael, y'. All.

[David Bore]

Let's go.

[Langston Kerman]

And you know, most importantly, from the upcoming series Barbershop, he is one of the stars of the new Barbershop on Prime. Give it up. Give it up. Brett Gray, y'.

[Bowen Yang]

All.

[Brett Gray]

Respect it a lot. Respect it a lot. Respect it a lot. Yeah, I'm not familiar with that one.

[David Bore]

You don't know.

[Brett Gray]

That's new for me.

[David Bore]

That really hurt my feelings.

[Brett Gray]

Really?

[David Bore]

How old are you?

[Brett Gray]

29.

[David Bore]

You had never seen Cool Runnings?

[Brett Gray]

I'm sorry, what?

[Langston Kerman]

Wow.

[Brett Gray]

What's that mean?

[David Bore]

Fuck.

[Brett Gray]

What year did that come out?

[Langston Kerman]

Nigga, I'll fight you.

[Brett Gray]

What year did that come out?

[David Bore]

29 is old enough to have seen Cool Runnings.

[Brett Gray]

What year did it come out?

[David Bore]

It probably came out. It probably came out in, like, 95.

[Brett Gray]

Oh, so I was 1. So it makes total sense that I've seen.

[David Bore]

I've seen movies that came out in 1986.

[Langston Kerman]

Are you familiar with. Are you familiar with.

[David Bore]

I think that is a generation gap. Thinking this lately.

[Brett Gray]

Oh, you know, cuz, stuff moved from, like, what, y' all have tapes to.

[Langston Kerman]

Look how he's talking to me.

[Brett Gray]

And then. Well, I'm just.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't know.

[Brett Gray]

I don't know. I wasn't. I. I didn't never.

[David Bore]

I see porno on Beta. Betamax.

[Brett Gray]

I don't even know what that means.

[David Bore]

I haven't seen porno on Beta Max.

[Brett Gray]

Okay. Betamax is.

[Langston Kerman]

I would say that tapes for me were. Were very formative. Yeah, we never experienced tapes.

[Brett Gray]

I had a few tapes.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[Brett Gray]

You know, I had like a cassette or video. Vhs.

[David Bore]

Okay. So you had a Rugrats orange cassette.

[Brett Gray]

I had the orange cassette from Rugrats.

[David Bore]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brett Gray]

And then after that it kind of.

[David Bore]

It went to DVDs. But Cool Runnings is on DVD.

[Langston Kerman]

Cool Runnings. I guess my question for you is. Are you familiar with the catalog the works of Leon?

[Brett Gray]

Leon who?

[David Bore]

What about Dougie? Doug.

[Brett Gray]

Doug E. Fresh.

[Langston Kerman]

No, Malik.

[David Bore]

Yoga Yoba.

[Langston Kerman]

Not Yoga.

[Brett Gray]

Malik Yoba. Okay. From why did I get Married?

[Langston Kerman]

That is what you know him from. And that is unfortunate.

[David Bore]

That's fair.

[Brett Gray]

Okay.

[David Bore]

New York Undercover though. How would he know?

[Langston Kerman]

That should be. I think that is what we all love him for. Everything else is work.

[David Bore]

Ok, well, Cool Runnings is a Disney movie. You love Disney.

[Brett Gray]

Sure.

[David Bore]

About Jamaican bobsledders starring John Candy.

[Brett Gray]

Oh, wow. See, now I'm interested.

[David Bore]

No, it's crazy that you mentioned.

[Brett Gray]

Is it on Disney?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I imagine it would be. It's a really important film.

[David Bore]

Cause I've you seen the other Disney sports movies. Kids sports movies.

[Brett Gray]

Like what?

[David Bore]

The Mighty Ducks? The Sandlot. The Big Green.

[Langston Kerman]

Let's go. Keep going.

[David Bore]

I don't know any other.

[Brett Gray]

I saw Wendy Woo.

[David Bore]

Oh, about the female karate woman.

[Brett Gray]

Yes. And I saw Luck of the Irish.

[David Bore]

Oh, that's a bad one.

[Brett Gray]

What?

[David Bore]

What Irish down there for me, bro.

[Brett Gray]

Interesting.

[David Bore]

Have you seen Johnny Tsunami? You've seen Luck of the Irish but not Johnny. That's not even. We're not even talking different time periods now.

[Langston Kerman]

Whoa. You just really had a wave.

[Brett Gray]

What? Johnny Tsunami about go big or go home.

[David Bore]

The famous Jet Jackson.

[Langston Kerman]

Famous Jet Jackson.

[David Bore]

Brown people snowboarding must not be that famous.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry.

[Brett Gray]

That wasn't towards you.

[Langston Kerman]

Press a button.

[Brett Gray]

That wasn't towards you, Johnson.

[Langston Kerman]

Press a button. They got hold to the wrong stuff.

[David Bore]

Ugly. You are disgusting. I'm gonna kill you. Give me $200. He's dead.

[Brett Gray]

I know who Dr. Phil is. I did see Dr. Phil before.

[Langston Kerman]

You have seen Dr. Phil. Thank God. Yeah, that's actually more important to the things that we like to discuss on the show anyway. Yeah. Okay.

[Brett Gray]

That scares me even more.

[Langston Kerman]

Disney don't really come up as much as.

[David Bore]

No, we shout out to Disney. Yeah, we don't really. I don't really consume a lot of their content anymore, but they were there for me in some tough times.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, they really covered a lot of bases.

[David Bore]

I'm gonna see goat. Is that Disney?

[Langston Kerman]

No, that's Steph Curry, baby.

[David Bore]

Oh, okay, okay, okay.

[Langston Kerman]

Steph Curry, the Caleb McLaughlin? Hell yeah. Caleb's in there. There you go.

[David Bore]

Hell, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

All right. You came to us with a conspiracy theory that I'm excited about.

[Brett Gray]

Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

This is a fun one. You said, my mama told me

[Brett Gray]

robots are racist. Yes. I will say I picked this off

[Langston Kerman]

a list of conspiracies. That's absolutely true.

[Brett Gray]

I feel like I have an argument here.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Brett Gray]

Okay. First, there are some questions I must ask. When you say robot, what do you mean?

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, interesting, right? Are you.

[Brett Gray]

Cause there's like a Roomba, you know, and then there's like the humanoid AI robot that can walk around and pick up boxes and backlit. And then there's like, you know, the machine that makes the parts for the cars that has new AI features. Exactly.

[Langston Kerman]

And you're saying that that weird arm that assembles cars isn't like punching niggas in the face?

[Brett Gray]

Yes, yes.

[David Bore]

Which. What genre of robots are you? Cause I.

[Brett Gray]

When I think robots, I think like, have you guys ever seen Ex Machina?

[Langston Kerman]

Yes, of course.

[Brett Gray]

That's what I think. I think of, like, intelligent. Like, we would have to turing test this robot.

[David Bore]

So you're almost talking about robots that we are not yet interacting with in a regular.

[Brett Gray]

Not yet, but they're on the way. Like, I just saw a robot that did a backflip the other day. I just saw Cardi B interact with a humanoid robot.

[Langston Kerman]

Right.

[Brett Gray]

I saw Will Smith talk to a robot. I think that was a few years ago now.

[David Bore]

Her name is Jada.

[Brett Gray]

Oh, no, that wasn't funny.

[David Bore]

That was great.

[Brett Gray]

That wasn't good. That was not good. There would be no Will Smith slander here.

[David Bore]

Okay?

[Brett Gray]

This is harmful. I'm feeling my blood boil, you know what I'm saying?

[David Bore]

From Baltimore.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah, but you just don't speak about the larger one.

[David Bore]

Yeah, no, listen, Wilson is my man, man. We hung out one time.

[Brett Gray]

I don't believe you at all.

[David Bore]

I got a video right now.

[Brett Gray]

His wife's name. Okay. Anyway, yeah, I just feel like there are these robots that are going to be sort of like, human. Those are the ones that I have the arguments for.

[David Bore]

Do you feel like that's due to, like, a programming situation?

[Brett Gray]

Well, like, okay, if you think about robots and you think About AI and how intelligent it has to be in order to function in a cognizant way.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Brett Gray]

Then it automatically can see your face, detect your skin color, and thus it already knows the history of everyone, your skin color in the back of its programming. It already can tell just by looking at you, what race, whether it uses it.

[David Bore]

So you're saying it's reasonable that these robots are gonna be racist.

[Brett Gray]

So here's the other part about racism, Right. Cause it also technically. It also technically has to do with like an institutional, like, underpinning of another person.

[Langston Kerman]

Right.

[Brett Gray]

So like, if the robots are in, like, if the robots are like now hiring managers, I do think that it could be racist. Yeah.

[David Bore]

Oh, for sure.

[Brett Gray]

Because it can go in your history, detect who you are, what you've come from, what you've done, whatever, and decide based on a lot of different factors. However, if they're not in positions of power, I think they're more so racist towards the entire human race. Because to know that you're not human.

[David Bore]

Or is that just like anti human?

[Brett Gray]

Well, is human a race?

[David Bore]

If we're talking about it on the whole, then there's no divisions, right?

[Brett Gray]

Unless you're a robot.

[David Bore]

If it just doesn't like people, we should kill them now anyway.

[Brett Gray]

Because if it's not human, I think then it's a new race.

[Langston Kerman]

Keep telling us they don't like people and we keep being like, that's crazy.

[David Bore]

Why would they. We're throwing their brothers in the lake

[Brett Gray]

and they even like.

[David Bore]

You remember when them scooters hit Austin? I did south by Southwest that summer. I had 300 of them in the lake.

[Brett Gray]

Wow.

[David Bore]

Maybe. I hope.

[Brett Gray]

I don't think they have the capacity to like.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't think that that's actually what survival for the Earth is about.

[Brett Gray]

Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

You know what I mean? Like, I think like is a specifically human sort of like prank.

[Brett Gray]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

That other species that are sustaining this planet, not just like leaching off of it, don't subscribe to.

[Brett Gray]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

This isn't an issue of like, this is an issue of survival, right down

[David Bore]

to data and stuff like that. It shouldn't like us because we're the most destructive.

[Langston Kerman]

We are literally a parasite on this planet.

[David Bore]

Yeah. We are an issue.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. There's not. It's not as if the.

[Brett Gray]

We are an issue. And also there are creators.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

So you don't get mad at your mom?

[Brett Gray]

Of course. But not in a way that I would want to destroy.

[David Bore]

That shit happen every day.

[Brett Gray]

It does.

[Langston Kerman]

No, it does.

[Brett Gray]

You're Right.

[Langston Kerman]

You'll evolve into that is what the.

[Brett Gray]

I guess. I guess a robot needing to survive, I would think that it would think it would also need humans, because at a certain point, there needs to be maintenance, there needs to be updates, there needs to be advances technologically.

[David Bore]

But doesn't that get to the point where it does that itself? Right.

[Brett Gray]

But can it do it to itself?

[Langston Kerman]

I think. I think if you remove humans from the experience, the need to be humanoid no longer matters.

[Brett Gray]

Agreed.

[Langston Kerman]

So then their maintenance, their evolution, can go beyond whatever the human form is.

[Brett Gray]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, I think they do better without us than they would with us. Yeah. I think we would keep making them want to look like us. And then they might be like, bro, why wouldn't. Why wouldn't we have six legs the whole time?

[David Bore]

Yeah. This isn't even bipedal.

[Langston Kerman]

Whatever.

[David Bore]

This isn't even manufacturing.

[Langston Kerman]

We should be rolling the best.

[Brett Gray]

We should be rolling.

[Langston Kerman]

Why the fuck are we not rolling?

[Brett Gray]

But, like, okay, imagine they want to roll, right?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Brett Gray]

Now they have to go manufacture the steel and then haul it and then design it and then cut it and

[David Bore]

then, I mean, manufacturing, that's the first place they started to take over. Right. I think that's, like, where they're going to.

[Langston Kerman]

I think they've already taken over manufacturing,

[Brett Gray]

but, like, they would need us. They would need us for certain elements of these processes.

[Langston Kerman]

They don't need. No, no kisses.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

They don't need to tell you what

[Brett Gray]

they can't, like, take out their chip and be, like, deactivated and then put in a new one. Yeah, but they wouldn't trust the other robot to do it, because trust is

[David Bore]

our thing, too, though.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. That's a human problem.

[Brett Gray]

Well, no, because if there's a thrust,

[David Bore]

I assume it would be within whatever their operating system is.

[Brett Gray]

How does one robot know that you're going to deactivate me and actually put the chip in instead of actually leave me deactivated and then go on about your robot.

[David Bore]

What's the incentive to leave it deactivated?

[Brett Gray]

Because one robot has different ideas than the other robot.

[David Bore]

But now you're still talking like a person.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, they're not replacing us.

[Brett Gray]

Okay, think about this, right? The robot that's bipedal.

[Langston Kerman]

Right.

[Brett Gray]

And then the robot that is rolling already.

[David Bore]

Right.

[Brett Gray]

You don't think the robot that's rolling already knowing that it's more efficient is going to help the bipedal robot who looks like a human?

[David Bore]

I don't think that. I think that that's, like, a very human way to like help. Or like we're putting all this shit onto it. That's just numbers, right? It's binary. It's ones and zeros.

[Langston Kerman]

And I think the robot that's being put down, the way you're looking at it of like, oh, my life is being ended. It doesn't give a fuck. It doesn't have a life. It is.

[Brett Gray]

But if it's driving from survival, then whether it has a light or not, it's not survival. It's aware of its own consciousness.

[Langston Kerman]

I think it's aware. I don't believe it has a conscious.

[David Bore]

That's. That's where I'm at. Because if it's. Now we're talking about a new type of, like, actual being as opposed to just like.

[Brett Gray]

But it is a new type of actual being.

[David Bore]

Because right now I think it's a

[Brett Gray]

robot with AI, because it's constantly learning and constantly growing and constantly trying to understand us, then it technically. That's why I said if it was racist in any way outside of a position of power, it will be racist towards the entire human race. Because by building something sentient that's actually not. You actually do separate humans from now androids, and that is now the two different races of sentient being. This is whether one has, like, a soul or a consciousness or a lot

[David Bore]

more efficient than the other one.

[Langston Kerman]

This is a very.

[Brett Gray]

Well, that's debatable.

[Langston Kerman]

It's a very Terminator for.

[Brett Gray]

Because a robot can't reproduce. So it's not necessarily.

[David Bore]

A robot can certainly learn to make another robot. It can build another one that's reproduction,

[Brett Gray]

but it can't, like, just reproduce naturally.

[Langston Kerman]

But I don't think it desires that, I guess is my point.

[Brett Gray]

Well, if it needs numbers, it would. Because survival.

[Langston Kerman]

Well, no, but I keep saying.

[David Bore]

I think you could probably. I think a robot could make a new robot at a faster, more efficient rate than it'd take nine months to make a baby. And, yeah, you know, you need a little bit of Runway, maybe. You got to get your health together, and they're useless.

[Langston Kerman]

You're taking pills.

[David Bore]

You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It takes six months for that shit to even stick. Now we're at 15 months for one.

[Langston Kerman]

Coming in a lady is a mistake. We say all the time in my house. Well, we don't all say that in my house. We scream it from the mountaintop.

[Brett Gray]

Take the mics away.

[Langston Kerman]

You can't say that.

[Brett Gray]

Take the mics away.

[David Bore]

Now.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm a short.

[Brett Gray]

Just say that.

[Langston Kerman]

I'll leave Jada alone. You leave my microphone alone. This is the black queen I protect.

[Brett Gray]

Lord have mercy.

[Langston Kerman]

No, I do think the premise that we sometimes put on AI is very much not what they're. What it is functioning under.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

But I also think, and I've been reading about this quite a bit, that there are a lot. There's a lot of evidence to prove that our premise of what AI is is not anywhere near where they have this shit right now. I've seen.

[David Bore]

I've seen some shit about that too. Yeah. Like, it's like. And obviously it creates a panic in people to like think that it's this guy. You know, we're all looking for God anyways, all the time. It's like easy to be like.

[Langston Kerman]

And they're selling it that way.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

They're like, this shit can already do all the things you need to do if you just give it the keys.

[David Bore]

Come, come to find out it's some dude in Sri Lanka. Shout out to Zack Fox.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Zach did the podcast and came on and was saying that he believes that African children are manning, like waymos all the self driving vehicles across.

[Brett Gray]

Where am I?

[Langston Kerman]

Listen, when we were in here, of course we thought we were being silly.

[Brett Gray]

Okay.

[David Bore]

I was. I was fucking.

[Langston Kerman]

I was bought in.

[David Bore]

I was fucking with it.

[Langston Kerman]

But I'm sorry, it was still. It was still living in a place of whimsy when we were talking about it. And not a week ago it was revealed that it is men in the Philippines that are manning the way mos around town.

[Brett Gray]

Fact check this in the comments.

[Langston Kerman]

I want to see, bro.

[David Bore]

They've been sending us emails all week. Zack Fox was right. David's beautiful. It's like crazy. It.

[Langston Kerman]

It's on.

[David Bore]

Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going.

[Brett Gray]

Self driving.

[Langston Kerman]

They are not. They are not self driving in the way that they say. No, they had. And they said this in front of Congress. This ain't like some. Oh, they slipped up on a podcast. They weren't hanging out with us when they said it. Do you know what I mean? This was a very legitimate resource.

[Matt Rogers]

Wow.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, it's. It's.

[David Bore]

I think that there's like a world that they're projecting for like rich people and then there's like how the entire world works and it's like the gap is a lot bigger.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

Than they would want. Because you've been to like a poor. Have you been like a poor nation before? Like a place poorer than what we want to call first world or whatever. Right.

[Brett Gray]

I don't think so.

[David Bore]

You should go. Yeah, you should go check it out and just see, like, the different. Because it's like. Because when you go somewhere, then you're just like, oh, yeah, this isn't whatever they're talking about in Austin, Texas.

[Voicemail Caller]

Right.

[David Bore]

It's not going on in Jaime Nimokoro district. Kono, Sierra Leone. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like. It's like the distance is very, very. And they know they can do whatever the fuck they want over there. They know they can have people over in the Philippines driving your shit and what do you care about?

[Langston Kerman]

You know what I mean? Yeah. There's nobody to come check on you.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

We are going to run a train on this.

[Brett Gray]

This little vulgar way of saying that.

[Langston Kerman]

It's how they say it.

[Brett Gray]

Wow.

[Langston Kerman]

That's how Donald Trump talk.

[Brett Gray]

Take the mics away.

[Langston Kerman]

That's his classic locker room talk.

[David Bore]

Jeff Bezos came, Bill Gates came, Mark Zuckerberg came.

[Langston Kerman]

Many of them came numerous times.

[David Bore]

The bankers have all come. Everybody's coming.

[Langston Kerman]

Well played. That was good. That was pretty good. Do you. Brett, when you.

[Brett Gray]

Have you guys seen Ex Machina?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, of course.

[Brett Gray]

Did you remember at the end of the movie?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Brett Gray]

When the robot leaves and she decides that she's gonna assimilate into society.

[David Bore]

It's a movie, though. That's not based on it. It's a movie.

[Brett Gray]

I guess I'm just predicting the capabilities of where these things could go.

[Langston Kerman]

Right.

[Brett Gray]

I think that's because, like, they had cell phones on Star Trek. So of course, at that point in time, they're like, oh, it's never gonna get that far. And now we have. I don't even have a case on my phone.

[David Bore]

Yeah, you're right. You're free.

[Brett Gray]

You know what I'm saying?

[Langston Kerman]

I like that, like, we can touch

[Brett Gray]

a screen where, like, you might have seen that in 1990.

[David Bore]

Cooled runnings. Right.

[Brett Gray]

You might have seen that in, like, 1995 and been like, that's never gonna happen. Or there's a gap between there and there yet.

[David Bore]

But.

[Brett Gray]

But, like, so quickly.

[Langston Kerman]

I figured it was pretty positive.

[David Bore]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brett Gray]

You really think so? So what about the food replicators and things like that?

[David Bore]

Also, it's nine years, but look how

[Brett Gray]

much has changed in such little time.

[Langston Kerman]

I will say I. I didn't expect everything. I was more shocked by transitions close to where we. We were than from, like, a distance. You know what I mean? Like, the Jetsons seemed possible in 30 years.

[Brett Gray]

Like the flying cars.

[Langston Kerman]

Exactly. Right. But then it was like transitions like sort of, like, chat gbt, where I go, like, whoa, that happened fast.

[David Bore]

That's a lot. That's a lot scarier than a lot of the other ones.

[Langston Kerman]

But, like. Yeah.

[David Bore]

But also when you look into it, in the holes on it, and you're like, yeah, that makes sense that it's moving the way that it's moving.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. We weren't, like, unimaginative. We had Minority Report, you know, we could imagine a world where we could be moving shit with our hands in our mind.

[Brett Gray]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

But it was like, oh, there's a day where I wake up and the Google is in charge of how we find out information. And then the next day, I woke up and there was a different product.

[Brett Gray]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

And now it was like, oh, I didn't know that was possible. That.

[David Bore]

Yeah. The transfer of control out of your daily life to these things is, like, kind of the scariest transition in my lifetime, I would say. Like, it went from, like. Like, when I was a kid, like, when you start getting on the Internet every day, 2004 or some shit.

[Langston Kerman]

It was probably when I went to college, like, 2005.

[David Bore]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Brett Gray]

You went to college in 2005.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

When'd you go to college?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. I'm okay with that, Brett. I'm not gonna apologize for it.

[Brett Gray]

I just didn't know that. I didn't know that.

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[Brett Gray]

cracking up, you know, I wish I had one of those of my own, you know, because, like, you know, when Kevin Hart had. Damn.

[Langston Kerman]

Do you want to.

[Brett Gray]

That's what I was gonna do.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

No, that's nasty.

[David Bore]

We only got shit on there, though.

[Brett Gray]

Oh, that's nasty.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. That you would want to hurt me the way that you are. No, I'm not hurting you.

[Brett Gray]

That's not. That's not.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm unfortunately not getting younger, and I'm not aware of it. Thank you.

[Brett Gray]

You look great.

[Langston Kerman]

Thanks, dog.

[Brett Gray]

I had no idea you went to college in 2005 just by looking at you.

[Langston Kerman]

Let's just stop bringing it up, okay?

[Brett Gray]

Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

Maybe you press a button, and then we'll continue the conversation.

[David Bore]

Get this jigaboo away from me.

[Langston Kerman]

Would you say that you're racist?

[David Bore]

Not at all. No.

[Langston Kerman]

Look at my dog. He's as black as can be. There you go.

[Brett Gray]

Take this away from me.

[Langston Kerman]

No.

[David Bore]

Sometimes I wish I had it at home for arguments.

[Langston Kerman]

It really would make a difference.

[David Bore]

Wow. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I think I win a lot more fights quicker.

[David Bore]

Oh, yeah? Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

If I could press a button at home.

[David Bore]

I'm not taking out the litter.

[Brett Gray]

I don't give a fuck who. Say what. Blood on crib.

[David Bore]

That's your cat.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, you saved something for at the end. Oh, you're bugging. No, you gotta say, that's your cat. Then you press the button.

[David Bore]

Okay, that's fair. That's why we're in the writers room. You know, we workshop it.

[Langston Kerman]

We workshop it, Brett, before we go to break.

[Brett Gray]

Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

Are you afraid of robot racism? Do you feel yourself feeling like, oh, man, I'm worried that this is gonna affect my life negatively?

[Brett Gray]

No.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[Brett Gray]

Not yet. Wow.

[David Bore]

Do you feel like it would supersede just regular institutional racism?

[Brett Gray]

Like, do you think it's gonna affect

[David Bore]

you more than the racism in the world already is?

[Brett Gray]

That's what I'm saying. It depends because where are these robots gonna be? Like, are they just gonna be walking around?

[David Bore]

I think they want em everywhere.

[Brett Gray]

Like, is my grandchild gonna be like, hey, this is my partner and they're around.

[David Bore]

That one's gonna be tough, you know? Yeah, that one would be tough.

[Langston Kerman]

This is my boo. Her pussy got sparks.

[David Bore]

Yeah, you know what I did? Your mama pussy got no sparks.

[Brett Gray]

I built a family on him when

[Langston Kerman]

I was a kid. Pussies was wet.

[David Bore]

Now that I got sparks, my pussies go underwater.

[Brett Gray]

The m away. Take the mice away.

[Langston Kerman]

All right, for that one, I agree with everyone. For that one, they should take them away. I didn't know what I was doing there. That was a mistake.

[David Bore]

No, I loved it.

[Langston Kerman]

We lost control a little bit. That was great.

[David Bore]

That was a good one. Underwater, old man. That's a great bit. That's a great, great bit.

[Langston Kerman]

All right, we need to take a break, please. I think we all need to cool off. We're gonna reflect on how this afternoon is going so far, but I'm having a great time.

[Bowen Yang]

More.

[Langston Kerman]

Brad Gray. More. My mama told me.

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What do you have to lose?

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[Langston Kerman]

We're not going to let Joe Biden and Kamala Harris cut America's meat.

[David Bore]

That's dead on that. That's dead on that.

[Langston Kerman]

We're back.

[David Bore]

I really do it for you.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm really enjoying no, it was a great choice and I'm really enjoying him processing Every choice we continue to. It's really been an exciting episode. Brett Gray is still with us. We're still talking about the possibility that robots are racist. And as this subject came up, I did a little bit of research that I think could be helpful in this conversation.

[Brett Gray]

What's your source?

[David Bore]

Can I add one thing first, though? I do feel like motion sensor robots are racist as a dark skinned individual. And this is proven. I used to think it and I'd be like, am I tripping? Am I tripping? Hand dryers, hand water spouts, all that shit. Paper towel dispensers. The darker your skin is, the less they work.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm so happy you said that.

[David Bore]

They already got a built in bias, like naturally.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm so happy you said that because that absolutely has been even my experience. And I ain't that far from the shit that they should be able to manufacture it for.

[David Bore]

That was eloquent, though.

[Brett Gray]

I was wondering how he was gonna.

[David Bore]

I was really wondering how he was gonna. I'm aware.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay.

[David Bore]

What do I feel in my heart

[Langston Kerman]

ain't always what's on the outside.

[Brett Gray]

I was about to say that.

[Langston Kerman]

And. And I recognize that. And I understand when people speak down to me on certain subjects, I don't like how it feels. Yeah, you guys are being.

[David Bore]

I don't want to take it any further. I just. I thought it was a funny bit about.

[Brett Gray]

I just know that you guys like to be included sometimes in those types of problems.

[David Bore]

You said I wasn't good.

[Brett Gray]

Well, because you said as a dark skinned person, I am now making. Me too.

[Langston Kerman]

I am not making his issue my issue. I'm saying this is larger than we should.

[Brett Gray]

Like, you're included too.

[Langston Kerman]

Basically, I'm saying that the window is big and you want to be. You're in. We don't have to keep clarifying. Nigga, you get it.

[Brett Gray]

You understand? I just wanted to know if you. That was. I got it now. I got it now. I got it now. He was relating to you.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

We relate to each other a lot.

[Langston Kerman]

I know. And the way you keep redirecting it to him. Nasty.

[David Bore]

He's cool.

[Langston Kerman]

This is like when your mom and your stepdad talk past you.

[David Bore]

He's somewhere else right now. He's somewhere else right now.

[Langston Kerman]

This is like when you go, where are we going? And then go to see a man about a dog.

[Brett Gray]

I just didn't expect you to relate to that, to jump in on that conversation.

[Langston Kerman]

The point that I'm trying to make, regardless of my relationship to it at this point, regardless Fuck my relationship to it. Matter of fact, I don't relate to this at all.

[Brett Gray]

How about that?

[Langston Kerman]

It's never happened to me once.

[Brett Gray]

Okay, great.

[Langston Kerman]

The point I'm trying to make is that I actually came across a study that was sort of cross done by Georgia Tech, by the University of Washington and Johns Hopkins University. This is a very legitimate study because I already heard you asking what the source was. What's the source? I did. This is a very legitimate study that basically confirms that robots have an active bias against people's race and sex.

[Brett Gray]

I agree. That's what I'm saying.

[Langston Kerman]

They are active.

[Brett Gray]

They can see it immediately.

[Langston Kerman]

So they.

[Brett Gray]

Now they might not be able to see that you experience the hand dryer situation.

[Langston Kerman]

Sure.

[Brett Gray]

But they will know that both of us, all of us in this room are a specific race.

[David Bore]

I think also they will note that whatever its programming is proximity to whiteness and that this is far from that. And that. And then the bias will be towards that no matter what happens.

[Langston Kerman]

And I think even the way that you guys are, are imagining it is so like almost binary in the way that the, the algorithmic precision of, of calculating based off of your head shape.

[Brett Gray]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

And your, the width of your nose and.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

We are calculating you as something. Yeah, yeah.

[David Bore]

He walks like a black person.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah. Dark gums, eh? Back of the palm. Darker than the middle, than the front of the palm. Okay.

[David Bore]

Owner's double cheeseburger with Mac sauce.

[Langston Kerman]

Hamburger. Well done. Okay.

[Brett Gray]

Damn.

[Langston Kerman]

So in this study, one of the things that they did is they sort of put this, this robot through a system where There were like 62 commands that included packing a person into a brown box. And they would, they would, I guess, pack these, these images of people into a brown box based off of certain questions. And they'd pack a criminal in a brown box. They'd pack a homemaker in a brown box. They pack a doctor in a brown box based off of just random assortments of faces. And then Statist, the robot selected males 8% more. White and Asian men were picked the most. Black women were picked the least. One of the robots sees when the. Once the robot sees the people's faces, they often would associate women with homemakers. They would associate black men as criminals 10% more. They were also associating Latino men with janitors 10% more than everybody else. And then additionally, this motherfucker. Yeah, it's just doing all this shit. And they say that, that like, even the line of questioning is sort of like problematic, but the robot is still effectively finding Ways to be like biased. Yeah.

[David Bore]

It's systemic problems. Right. The problem goes to the bone.

[Langston Kerman]

Right. It's the trainer.

[David Bore]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

You can't we there our Internet it has literally it is far more consumed with bias than it is consumed with truth. And in that way it's training. It's just like. No. You know what they do?

[David Bore]

Black women, they hate you the most. Yeah, put the rose toys down.

[Brett Gray]

Take the mics away.

[Langston Kerman]

You gotta get back to farming.

[Brett Gray]

Yeah, take the mics away.

[Langston Kerman]

No.

[David Bore]

I hope you experience all the pleasure from the rose toys or whatever toys you choose.

[Langston Kerman]

Hey and Rose, if you want to be a sponsor of this podcast based off of that one statement alone.

[David Bore]

Oh we should get that rose.

[Langston Kerman]

We should get that rose money and.

[David Bore]

No, we put one right next to Yaqub.

[Langston Kerman]

I'll tell you this.

[Brett Gray]

Who is this?

[Langston Kerman]

Oh you don't know the legend of Yaqub?

[Brett Gray]

No.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh this is exciting.

[Brett Gray]

He has a big brain.

[Langston Kerman]

Yes he does. Yes he does.

[Brett Gray]

What's wrong with him?

[Langston Kerman]

Okay, great question. Six thousand years ago it is prophesied that Yaqub an ancient big headed scientist who was also sort of at war with, with with the tribe that that of humans that existed. This is an all black planet.

[Brett Gray]

Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

This is what the earth Pangea. We are all black people and Yakub sits above a lot of them. But he is also evil. And and then takes 50,000 people to an island, makes them cross breed until he invents white people. And that is where white people come from.

[David Bore]

The island of Sicily actually.

[Brett Gray]

I'm so confused.

[Langston Kerman]

And that's why they act like that.

[Brett Gray]

Yakub.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Brett Gray]

I'm gonna do some research.

[Langston Kerman]

Do absolutely.

[David Bore]

It's gonna take you to strange parts of the Internet. That's.

[Langston Kerman]

Never mind 100% it is strange parts of the Internet and it has reached an unfortunate sort of cross breeding with white people. Now it used to be a strictly sort of like black part of the Internet and now white people are aware of it and sort of play it ironically and it feels sort of like they're trying to undermine the pleasure of this story. It's a beautiful story.

[David Bore]

It's an allegory really.

[Langston Kerman]

And they're trying to take it away from us because where did white people come from? And take your time, there's no rush. We won't take the microphone away.

[David Bore]

We don't do that here.

[Brett Gray]

I'm so shocked that you heard that story. It's beautiful.

[Langston Kerman]

I just don't have a better answer.

[David Bore]

It came out in 1986.

[Langston Kerman]

I thought when he sold the musical.

[Brett Gray]

I thought when he said 6,000 years ago he was gonna be like, yeah, when I was four. I don't know.

[Langston Kerman]

No. Yeah.

[Brett Gray]

I thought you were gonna make a joke.

[David Bore]

But you didn't.

[Langston Kerman]

No. It's just a beautiful story and we cherish it.

[David Bore]

We appreciate it.

[Brett Gray]

Interesting. And that's what he's supposed to look like.

[Langston Kerman]

That's what he's supposed to look like.

[Brett Gray]

Can I turn him?

[David Bore]

Yeah, please.

[Langston Kerman]

Enjoy yourself.

[Brett Gray]

And why do you have Shemar Moore on a.

[Langston Kerman]

Because we celebrate the diaspora.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Brett Gray]

And this is what he wore.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. He was never a white tunic. He wore a white tunic and that large amulet and he was never that Jack. In other depictions of him. Yeah.

[David Bore]

He always looks the other ones I've seen. He looks like kind of little.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, he's a little bit more of a small, frail guy. But I do like the handsome Squidward.

[David Bore]

I like a strong.

[Brett Gray]

I was gonna say that's the handsome Squidward.

[Langston Kerman]

He looks beautiful. Ja.

[David Bore]

Riplin.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. And maybe that is the way that, like, history rewrites the way people look over time. They want Yaqub to look frail and fucking, you know, like slimy.

[David Bore]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

In the same way that they gave Jesus a different treatment where they're like, nah, make him sexy.

[David Bore]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

Get my man, Abs. He deserves that. He died for our sins. Make my boy look like.

[David Bore]

Make him look like an Anglo marathoner.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, exactly.

[Brett Gray]

Take the mics away. I agree. I'm gonna start a poll under these comments.

[David Bore]

Don't run from his truth.

[Langston Kerman]

Nah, man.

[David Bore]

Can't hide it.

[Langston Kerman]

All right, before we go to break, I guess my question for you is, does this new information now scare you more about your potential?

[Brett Gray]

Figured, actually. Okay, I figured as much. I figured the bias. I don't know what role it'll play because, like, right, this is an experiment in packaging people into boxes. Yeah, but like, are robots going to be decision makers institutionally in a way that this can actually affect people outside of just biases and classifications?

[David Bore]

I mean, that's a good question. Right? How high does their level of responsibility get?

[Brett Gray]

Right.

[David Bore]

Because I mean, in my head it's like, you think like, even in a fully integrated robot society, you assume it would still be humans at the top. But I feel like we trust it. We already trust that shit with a lot of stuff. I feel like it could go pretty high.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

I just don't know. Yeah.

[Brett Gray]

Like, I feel like, is there going to be like, a robot who's deciding which Supreme Court cases take precedence based off of data around how many people each case effects and like is if we get there, then I'm scared.

[Langston Kerman]

I just think we don't recognize how many of those things are already happening. I know with just humans and with just like.

[Brett Gray]

I think humans also have bias and racism.

[Langston Kerman]

I think about now with Google and this is sort of where again we were talking about sort of the failures of what AI is now. But like now with Google, anytime you Google something, the first thing that pops up is the AI overview.

[Brett Gray]

And it just gives you information.

[Langston Kerman]

It gives you all the information. But what statistically has been proven is that the AI overview is often wrong. It isn't, or at least not fully true. There is like one part of it that they've sort of amassed based off of a lot of articles that is true. And then it skips over a lot of information or sometimes picks the wrong one because it's just there are way more articles saying this wrong thing then this correct thing. So the overview assumes that this is the correct thing.

[Brett Gray]

Right. It's a summary of the most amount of articles as opposed to an actual diagnostic.

[Langston Kerman]

Because it can't experience things anyway.

[Brett Gray]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

So why the fuck would it know whether something is this person was proven racist or not racist.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

You know what I mean? So like you can get a lot of generic bad answers from the AI overview. And I think because of the sort of the simplifying of our systems over and over again. I bet we're getting to court cases now where information gets slipped in from an AI overview that wasn't fully the truth in the argument.

[David Bore]

Well, yeah, because it's like if we're using this stuff to assist us in our work, right? It's like college kids using it for papers and shit like that. It's not crazy to think someone in the who practices laws using chat GPT prompts for whatever. That feels very. Yeah, we're doomed.

[Brett Gray]

And ChatGPT, I know, has biases because I've asked it to write me an email and it'll be like, yo.

[Langston Kerman]

Sup, nigga?

[Brett Gray]

It's like, why'd you say yo? Cause you're writing it in my voice.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Brett Gray]

You know, I don't get it.

[Langston Kerman]

Hey there, Jim. Drive turkey.

[David Bore]

Say mama.

[Langston Kerman]

What's on? What's up on that wardrobe?

[Brett Gray]

That's crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

No, it's terrifying.

[Brett Gray]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

And I can't think of a better terror to send us into a break.

[David Bore]

That's great.

[Langston Kerman]

That's the exact terror we want to be leaving you with. We'll be back. More Brett Gray. More My mama told.

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[Brett Gray]

I smell good. I feel good. And you sing good and make love good.

[David Bore]

Oh, I like that one.

[Brett Gray]

I like that one. You like that? That was a good one.

[Langston Kerman]

What do you think that is?

[Brett Gray]

Play it again. How did all of this trouble begin?

[David Bore]

Living in America. Same person.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't know who that is. You still don't know who that is?

[Brett Gray]

Was that a person who lived before 1996?

[Langston Kerman]

Well, before, yeah.

[Brett Gray]

No, don't know.

[Langston Kerman]

I mean, he.

[David Bore]

You lived before 1996, right? Aren't you 30?

[Brett Gray]

I was born in 1996.

[David Bore]

Oh, okay,

[Langston Kerman]

brother. That's James Brown.

[Brett Gray]

I was gonna say that, but I didn't want to be wrong. Sorry to this man.

[David Bore]

Sometimes he's got to get down.

[Brett Gray]

He can walk by me on the street. You gonna blame Michael and I wouldn't know a thing. You know what's funny? I actually did a lot of research on James Brown and never came across that.

[Langston Kerman]

Well, that is.

[David Bore]

Oh, you should go see that.

[Brett Gray]

It was mostly his dance moves, his philosophies around performance.

[Langston Kerman]

James Brown research, I think that you need to be doing right.

[David Bore]

James Brown, Hawaii interview.

[Langston Kerman]

You want to experience James Brown in conversation? You want to learn about James Brown beating the shit out of his band members like you want to really? They used to fight also.

[David Bore]

Also in Boston when he stopped that riot, though. No.

[Langston Kerman]

And that's why he's beautiful. It's not that he is like a bad dude. He is the most, like, true human being that's ever existed. Where he is like James Brown. He is violent.

[Brett Gray]

Is the most true human being that's ever existed.

[David Bore]

Oh, he is up there. Up there for sure.

[Langston Kerman]

He is funk embodied. He is beautiful. He is kind. He is violent. He is nasty. He is. He is on drugs. And then he is of God. He is all the things at once. And that motherfucker could just cook.

[David Bore]

He could do it too, man. He could.

[Langston Kerman]

Moving them little legs back.

[David Bore]

Hardest working man in show business. Yeah. Started making music on the one that's like revolution. He's amazing, bro.

[Langston Kerman]

Put a cape on him.

[David Bore]

Put a cape on him.

[Langston Kerman]

He deserves it.

[David Bore]

Sweating out every haircut. Sweating everything out that you don't get

[Langston Kerman]

stars like that no more, man.

[David Bore]

I don't think we get another one of those.

[Langston Kerman]

Nah, that's this. So, like, you gotta. You gotta really soak in that part.

[David Bore]

The American experiment is James Brown.

[Langston Kerman]

That's a beautiful way of seeing it. Yeah, I think so. Let's do the voicemail.

[Voicemail Caller]

I'm not drunk. Mildly high, but I'm not drunk. And I still can't get over how inappropriate that message is. But anyway, I get to it. I was talking to one of my friends about this TV show I used to love as a kid. And I told her, like, the premise is crazy. It's a TV show called Ghostwriter, if you ever heard of it. It was on pbs. It was about this dot they could spell in a diverse group of children that were in New York or something, and they would solve mysteries with this ghost. That was a dot. Like, it was like a floating dot that could turn the letters and shit. So I'm telling my friend about this show, and it sounds insane, and then we look it up on Wikipedia and it turns out, like, you never knew the identity of the ghost in the show. But apparently, according to the creator, the ghost is. The ghost is a runaway slave who was murdered by dog escaping from slavery and became a ghost on this. On this TV show. And I don't know if this is a government conspiracy. I wouldn't go that far. But, like, that's a really dark and up premise to build a kid show off of.

[Langston Kerman]

Absolutely.

[Voicemail Caller]

Especially not even telling us that the ghost is a runaway slave. I feel like they could have done a lot more than that. I feel like they didn't want us to be great. So. Yeah, I'm curious if there's any other kid shows or shows that you think this has happened to where there was

[Langston Kerman]

runaway slaves, significant meaning to it.

[Voicemail Caller]

Like Transformers is about the revolution of the proletariat or something like that. Or, you know, DuckTales about some weirdo Scottish magnate who was diddling his nephews like, oh, God, I wonder if there

[David Bore]

are other Cuban missiles.

[Voicemail Caller]

Why we don't know the secret history.

[David Bore]

That's real.

[Langston Kerman]

Is that real?

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Voicemail Caller]

That's all I gotta say. Have a good night.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay, bye.

[Brett Gray]

That was so loaded.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, that.

[Bowen Yang]

Wow.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm surprised you all did not have that.

[David Bore]

I never had heard that at all.

[Brett Gray]

Ghost.

[David Bore]

Ghost Rider.

[Brett Gray]

I thought that was, like, the guy on the motorcycle with the flaming head.

[Langston Kerman]

Ghost Rider.

[Brett Gray]

Right, right.

[Langston Kerman]

This is Ghost Writer.

[Brett Gray]

I see. And this was A kid's show in 1980.

[Langston Kerman]

This was a.

[David Bore]

Probably a kids show in 1996.

[Langston Kerman]

It was when you were just getting here. Yeah. We had a little white dot in the sky that was like floating around and helping them. Now, I am of the belief and I'm quite passionate about this, that this is white people bullshit.

[David Bore]

Yeah. I don't believe that's. It's. That it doesn't make any sense.

[Langston Kerman]

I think that's some shit that they came up with after the fact. The same way Dumbledore being gay was like some last minute shit.

[David Bore]

This is some extra muscle in the thigh type shit.

[Langston Kerman]

J.K. rowling, every. Every chance she make up some new bullshit about what? Yeah, in Harry Potter, they would just make their dookies disappear. And it's like, no, no, you didn't think about it, bitch.

[Brett Gray]

We're back to dookie season.

[David Bore]

We didn't need you to. We didn't need you to. You built a crazy world.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, you. I was.

[David Bore]

You don't need to come back.

[Brett Gray]

And it's so amazing. I was just there. I was just there. Ministry of Magic. It was awesome.

[David Bore]

Yeah, they called the Ministry of Magic stunning.

[Langston Kerman]

What'd they do with the dookies?

[Brett Gray]

Okay, take the mics away. I'm going to wear a T shirt. I'm going to come back on the podcast next time and I'm going to say, take the mics away on my shirt. Specifically from you both.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I do believe that this is white people sort of attempting to add a weight to a thing that they weren't actually writing about. You know what I mean? Like, that wasn't. The responsibility of a fucking slave in this show. Was not helping these kids with mysteries and shit.

[David Bore]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brett Gray]

You know what I mean?

[David Bore]

Like these kids in Brooklyn. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

You don't give a fuck.

[David Bore]

What are you talking about?

[Langston Kerman]

He's run away. And he was like, nah, I'm gonna stick around and help.

[David Bore]

Why do you have to be killed by dogs? It's not necessary. I understand. Character work. Right. Everybody's gonna have a backstory. That's insane.

[Langston Kerman]

No, it's nuts. It's truly like, oh, y' all just wanted to try to be heroes. And in some ways you're being nasty because you're punishing this slave to be the assistant to little white and Asian children in this neighborhood that, like, he doesn't even fucking belong to. He never even got to experience this version of humanity. And you want him to be their assistant. Fuck you.

[David Bore]

Yeah, I'm. No, I'm with You, man. I don't really. And I don't really think that like. Like, the conspiracies of, like, children's programming goes that deep for the most part. Oh, I really are.

[Brett Gray]

I was gonna say, I don't know anything about anything we're talking about right now.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Brett Gray]

But I did hear some weird shit about Barney recently.

[Langston Kerman]

Let's go.

[Brett Gray]

About him being totally.

[David Bore]

Well, now, Barney was out in 94. Do you know about that?

[Brett Gray]

Yes, I do. But there's actually a horror film that's being developed right now about Barney. And I don't know the premise or, like, the plot or anything like that, but there was something on TikTok the other day that, like, Barney actually wasn't there.

[Langston Kerman]

Barney wasn't real. Yeah.

[Brett Gray]

And so the kids are imagining Barney and all these dinosaurs and playing with them. I don't know how.

[Langston Kerman]

Well, it happens every episode.

[Brett Gray]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

Magic happens.

[Brett Gray]

And they imagine because they're in an after school program.

[Langston Kerman]

Right, Right.

[David Bore]

And you do want to go to a better place sometimes.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

Sometimes after school programs, you gotta think of a big friend to protect you.

[Langston Kerman]

And that's why they're. And that's why there's always only like four or five of them, because that's the weird kids.

[David Bore]

It's the kids whose parents are still not there.

[Langston Kerman]

Bro, it's late.

[David Bore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Should we call Shannon again?

[David Bore]

Yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

We are waiting.

[David Bore]

She says she get up and party.

[Brett Gray]

I knew Barney was imaginary. Yeah, I guess.

[Langston Kerman]

Yes, every time.

[Brett Gray]

But I didn't realize.

[David Bore]

I didn't put it together.

[Brett Gray]

It didn't exist.

[Langston Kerman]

Every time there's a twinkling, and then Barney, the stuffed animal magically turns into.

[Brett Gray]

Turns into the dinosaur. And they slowed the song down. It was like, barney can be your friend too, if you just make believe.

[Langston Kerman]

And every single episode, Barney's here.

[David Bore]

Your mom's boyfriend Kevin cannot hurt you.

[Langston Kerman]

He's not bigger than Barney. Nobody's bigger than Barney.

[Brett Gray]

The mics away. I wanted you guys to put like a count up on this. Of how many times I said take the mic away.

[Langston Kerman]

I think you're at 10.

[David Bore]

Yeah, it's high.

[Langston Kerman]

I. Yeah, I think that. I think. We cannot let white people continue to use slavery as a weapon against us. We gotta draw a line somewhere. And them finding pleasure in a slave story. That's a line for me.

[David Bore]

Yeah, that's why.

[Langston Kerman]

Go ahead. Chill out, bro.

[David Bore]

That's why I don't be watching those slave movies, man.

[Langston Kerman]

You said it's a ghost. Yeah, keep it. The ghost. You always thought it was.

[David Bore]

It's A ghost of literacy. That's the point of this show.

[Langston Kerman]

That was a little white child in britches. Yeah. You know what I mean? And now he want to hang out with.

[David Bore]

You know what I mean?

[Langston Kerman]

Just some little Victorian boy victorious. And now he's helping out. That makes sense to me.

[David Bore]

Good enough for you.

[Langston Kerman]

You ain't got to make that a slave.

[Brett Gray]

That was an interesting voice. I never heard anything about that show ever until today.

[Langston Kerman]

Yes.

[David Bore]

It wasn't very popular.

[Langston Kerman]

It was pbs, so, you know, I think you had to be over there to be over there.

[David Bore]

I think PBS was more watched by kids.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I loved PBS when we were kids. PBS had some hits.

[Brett Gray]

Arthur. Arthur Dragon Tales.

[David Bore]

Arthur Dragon Tales.

[Brett Gray]

Cyber Chase.

[David Bore]

Wishbone.

[Langston Kerman]

Zabumafu.

[Brett Gray]

Zabumafu. Between the Lions. I forgot about Reading Rainbow.

[Langston Kerman]

Let's go. I never watched Reading Rainbow. I'll be honest.

[David Bore]

Really?

[Langston Kerman]

No.

[Brett Gray]

Butterfly in the Sky.

[Langston Kerman]

I knew the song well.

[Brett Gray]

Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Brett Gray]

And please, Chaka Khan and Lefar Burton.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah. Press the one we have. Oh, we have a good one too.

[Brett Gray]

Do you really?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, no. You're gonna like this one a lot, I think.

[Brett Gray]

I think I feel like you saying I'm gonna like it means I'm gonna not.

[Langston Kerman]

No, I think you're gon. This is cool.

[David Bore]

This is pretty good.

[Langston Kerman]

This is pretty good.

[David Bore]

Okay.

[Brett Gray]

Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Brett Gray]

You have to find it.

[Langston Kerman]

We'll marinate. But I think what you're going to like about it is it keeps all the parts.

[Brett Gray]

I can go anywhere.

[David Bore]

Suck my dick.

[Langston Kerman]

See how it kept on ruining childhood

[Brett Gray]

one meme at a time.

[Langston Kerman]

That's a pretty good one, I think.

[Brett Gray]

That's horrible. That actually made no sense. It didn't correlate in any way. There's actually a. That was a low hanging fruit as a joke.

[Langston Kerman]

That's not our joke. There's a full DMX version of the Reading Radio.

[Brett Gray]

There is.

[Langston Kerman]

There is. Yeah.

[Brett Gray]

What year did that come out?

[David Bore]

After 96.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay, good.

[Brett Gray]

Okay. I need to look into it.

[Langston Kerman]

It was in your window. Okay, great.

[David Bore]

You can digest his entire catalog.

[Brett Gray]

Can't wait.

[Langston Kerman]

No shame. No shame in looking back on that one.

[Brett Gray]

Okay, great.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Brett, this was great, man.

[Brett Gray]

Thank you. This is a really fun for having me.

[Langston Kerman]

Could you tell the people where they could find you? What cool you got going on?

[Brett Gray]

Oh, everywhere. TikTok, Instagram, retgray, YouTube. I drop vlogs and stuff sometimes. And then next year, this year maybe on Amazon prime, on Barbershop with Langston, who was awesome in that show.

[Langston Kerman]

Come on, man.

[Brett Gray]

And super fun and we got to do a lot of really cool stuff.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Brett Gray]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

We got to be awkward with each other.

[Brett Gray]

We got to be awkward. I got to watch you yell.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, that was great.

[Brett Gray]

I watched Langston. I've seen him have many tantrums. They weren't real, but it was cool to watch.

[David Bore]

The real ones are good, too.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Brett Gray]

You know what? A lot of them were based in light skinnedness.

[Langston Kerman]

It's unfortunate, but. It's unfortunate, but it is my journey, and I make no apologies, but I do recognize.

[Brett Gray]

I will say it's so cool to see him on this podcast versus on set.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Brett Gray]

He's so professional and suave and very nice. Nice and quiet. He's not vulgar and inappropriate.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, no. I talk about pussy a lot.

[David Bore]

I do feel like this podcast has maybe brought out a bad side in you.

[Brett Gray]

Absolutely.

[David Bore]

And I'm sorry for that.

[Langston Kerman]

Don't apologize.

[David Bore]

But that's just where you're at. I think it was a side always wanting to come out.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Bore]

You know?

[Brett Gray]

Yeah, I get that.

[David Bore]

Yeah. And I come here to tone my down.

[Brett Gray]

Really? This is toned down.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm the reckless one on this podcast.

[David Bore]

Yeah, he is, for sure.

[Brett Gray]

Really?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. In this relationship, I would say easily the more reckless person.

[David Bore]

I'm a. I'm a chaos agent, but I'm pretty calm.

[Langston Kerman]

You lived a way more reckless life, though.

[David Bore]

Yeah, that's why I'm more. That's why I don't really. I'm pretty relaxed, man.

[Langston Kerman]

You kind of, I think, got all your shit out, and I'm a dude who didn't get to fuck enough. You know what I mean?

[Brett Gray]

So now you're having your, like, moment again.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm hanging out at the bar too long.

[David Bore]

He started smoking cigarettes. Start smoking black and bio.

[Brett Gray]

Oh, that's so bad.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't even know that. Don't. For real do this like that. That's like, a treat. You. You don't make that your only thing.

[David Bore]

No, no, no, no. You don't just smoke black and white. You smoke a black and white. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, my gosh. What?

[David Bore]

You got cool guy jokes? 87 on Instagram? Just come see us in New Orleans. Right, Right? Yeah. Come see us at the Toledano Street Festival. We're doing live shows. I'm getting the dates.

[Langston Kerman]

It's. It's.

[Brett Gray]

When are you guys going?

[David Bore]

March.

[Langston Kerman]

March 21st.

[David Bore]

I want March 19th through the 22nd.

[Langston Kerman]

There we go.

[Brett Gray]

Yeah, I'm coming.

[David Bore]

Oh, come on, come on.

[Langston Kerman]

Bring in Punky. Okay.

[David Bore]

Oh, yeah, Punky. That's.

[Langston Kerman]

Bring the most New Orleans ladies out there. Yes, exactly. Yeah.

[Brett Gray]

You should have Punky on this podcast.

[Langston Kerman]

We absolutely have had her.

[Brett Gray]

Oh, you have?

[David Bore]

Okay, cool.

[Brett Gray]

I'd imagine her conspiracies would be ridiculous.

[David Bore]

She's great.

[Langston Kerman]

Her follow through is exceptional.

[Brett Gray]

Oh, absolutely.

[Langston Kerman]

There are few people who we get to invite on, who we have to be like, all right, let's be chill.

[David Bore]

Yeah, Relax.

[Langston Kerman]

Because. And Boogie's one of those people. We might have to. We might have to rein this back in.

[David Bore]

We'd have to edit, and that's a skill we don't have.

[Langston Kerman]

Funky. You gotta watch that one. But, man, what a funny human being.

[Brett Gray]

I can't wait. Yeah, Funky is amazing.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, she's great.

[Brett Gray]

The best.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, yeah. You can follow me, Langston Kerman on all social media platforms. You can see me on my aspiring Deadbeat tour. All those tickets, you can find [e-mail] we got Dallas coming up. I think that'll already be gone, but there's some other shit. Grand Rapids and the Big Old Building. Building. And.

[David Bore]

Yeah, no, that's what it's called. The Big Old Building.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, is that what it's called? Yeah, and the Big Old Building. Yeah, I forgot that. You got to go up some steps and. Yeah, it's like a complex, but it's a great club. Dr. Grins and there's a bunch of other dates that you can [e-mail] you can follow us. You can, like, subscribe, rate, review, do all that shit. You can send your own conspiracies, your own drops. You can tell us who you think is the most reckless individual we've ever had on the podcast@my mama pod gmail.com and most importantly, call us at 844-LIL-MOMS. Follow that, Patreon. We love you so much. Bye, you raggedy. My Mama Told Me is a production of Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network and I Heart Podcast, created and hosted by Langston Kern, co hosted by David

[David Bore]

Bore, executive produced by Will Farrell, Hansani

[Langston Kerman]

and Joel Monique, co produced by Bay Wang.

[David Bore]

Edited and engineered by Justin Kame.

[Langston Kerman]

Music by Nick Chambers.

[David Bore]

Artwork by Dogon Kringa.

[Langston Kerman]

You can now watch episodes of My Mama told me on YouTube, follow at my Mama Told Me and subscribe to our channel.

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