Russian Bots are Tearing Apart Black America (with Kerry Coddett)

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My Momma Told Me

Episode: Russian Bots are Tearing Apart Black America (with Kerry Coddett)
Hosts: Langston Kerman, David Gborie
Guest: Kerry Coddett
Release Date: May 12, 2026

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Overview

This episode delves into the theory that Russian bots—and, more broadly, divisive online forces—have sown seeds of discord within Black America. Comedians Langston Kerman and David Gborie invite comedian, writer, and Kwanzaa Crawl founder Kerry Coddett to break down how internet culture, social media algorithms, and deliberate political manipulation have intensified division in Black communities. The conversation moves through news consumption, internet trends, conspiracy theories, and practical responses, all wrapped in comedic banter and sharp social observation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Erosion of Traditional News and Rise of “News as Entertainment”

[03:42–09:04]

• All three discuss declining trust and increased apathy toward mainstream news. There’s nostalgia for when news and celebrity culture were separate—now everything is blended (celebrity gossip reported as breaking news).
• Langston: “I think that we did something really dangerous when we started conflating celebrity with news culture. ...Those two things shouldn’t even come close to mixing.” (07:50)
• Carrie: Suggests TMZ’s scoop on Michael Jackson’s death was a turning point; now “if TMZ is breaking it, New York Times is quoting it.” (08:13)

2. The Divisive Energy on Black Social Media

[17:00–44:00]

• Kerry presents her thesis: “Russian bots are tearing apart Black America.” She outlines how artificially-stirred online debates (like the endless “50/50 date” discussion, “high value men/women,” and diaspora identity feuds) have real-world fallout.
• Carrie: “Every podcast...everyone’s fighting over 50/50 on dates. ...And during the pandemic, after I got off the internet for a while, I realized: all the big stuff, it finds its way to you anyway. But these smaller, divisive things are new.” (18:03, 05:33)
• The group jokes about how everyone now has a mic, but lament that “relationship podcasts” in particular stir up feuds and erode genuine connection.

Memorable Moment:

• Kerry: “I went to my first post-quarantine party—men and women, good-looking people, gathered together, and everyone is in the kitchen arguing about hypothetical 50/50 date splits. ...We’re taking online fights into real life.” (20:45)

3. Russian Interference and the Blurring Line Between “Bot” and “Troll”

[31:08–41:00]

• Kerry references the 2016 US election, the Mueller report, and the IRA (Internet Research Agency) targeting Black Americans online.
  • Examples: Fake Black Facebook pages ("Blacktivist"), accounts infiltrating Black Twitter, stoking ADOS vs. Caribbean vs. African-American schisms.
• Langston: Skeptical that Russia is solely to blame, noting, “America does a lot of shit to Black Americans on its own that don’t need Russian assistance.” (35:36)
• They clarify “bots” aren’t always automated—many are just trolls, often foreigners or even domestic actors, mimicking and amplifying divisive talking points.
• David: “When they say ‘bots,’ is it something that acts like a Black person, or just someone running a fake account?” (35:57)

4. Algorithm-Driven Reality and Self-Perpetuating Echo Chambers

[22:01–24:33]

• The more contentious content you interact with, the deeper you’re buried in it: “The more weird shit you watch, the more the algorithm feeds you...so you really feel justified, like there are other people out here that like that shit.” (22:01, Carrie)
• This shapes what people bring into real life, influencing interpersonal conflict.

5. The Real-World Harm of Online Division

[34:45–44:17]

• Kerry shares a personal story of losing a friend over a “Shade Room” debate about whether a man should pay for his date’s kids’ takeout—proof that these topics spill into relationships and cause lasting rifts.
• Memorable quote: “I lost a friend over the Shade Room. Over a hypothetical conversation on an internet thread! I’ve known that girl since I was 12.” (34:45)
• Post-pandemic, people’s conflict resolution and socialization skills deteriorated, exacerbated by bringing “relationship podcast” rhetoric into real interactions.

6. Larger Trends: Surveillance, Trolls, and “Rugged Individualism”

[41:00–68:34]

• The group discusses COINTELPRO and the long U.S. history of disrupting Black unity, suggesting modern tech and social media make this process easier and more subtle.
• America’s cultural attitude is shifting to “family isn’t that important, rugged individualism, you don’t need your people”—seen as a potentially dangerous, atomizing trend.

7. Practical Solutions/Necessary Steps Forward

[61:31–69:19]

• Langston: “Is there anything we can do? What can the Black community do to repair what has happened?”
• Kerry: “We need to stop engaging in these divisive ass debates. It gets us nowhere. ...We need to get together across the diaspora—Caribbean, Black American, African. ...We’re a Black people.” (61:45–62:31)
• David: Echoes the importance of family and connection: “Everybody coming together is important. ...Otherwise you’re untethered out here.” (68:15–68:34)

8. Kerry Coddett’s Big Kwanzaa: Reuniting the Diaspora

[62:58–66:19]

• Kerry pitches “Kwanzaa Crawl”—an annual Brooklyn event that unites the Black diaspora through celebration, economics, and togetherness.
• Kerry: “We bring in $500,000 every year for Black-owned businesses. And actually more people are celebrating Kwanzaa.” (64:08)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Langston: “The fall of the journalism corps is the beginning of the end of a country.” (09:07)
• David: “Crackheads had jobs. They had ambition. Stimulated local economies.” (17:06)
• Kerry: “Now, you can’t even say ‘Black.’ Now ‘Black’ means only Black Americans, which is outrageous.” (32:13)
• Langston: “I think what the bots are, is somebody who just sees a provocative conversation and chooses the opposite of whatever the logical choice is.” (39:47)
• David: “Trolling...is a very low-effort way to get your shit off. ...I think it’s usually dumb people who think they’re really smart—who are like, I’m just trolling, man.” (40:04)
• Kerry: “We didn’t grow up celebrating Kwanzaa. We thought it was ridiculous. But then in 2016, when the Russians were dividing us, we were like—how can we get Black people together?” (64:08)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Event | |------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:42–09:04 | News, celebrity culture blend, decline of traditional journalism | | 17:00–24:33 | Introduction of Kerry’s Russian bot theory, relationship podcast division, social media trends | | 31:08–32:31 | Russian bots, 2016 election, divisive tactics targeting Black Americans | | 34:45–35:14 | Kerry’s story of losing a friend over Shade Room/online debate | | 39:47–41:00 | What are bots/trolls? America’s own role vs. Russian intervention | | 41:00–44:00 | Pandemic’s impact on social skills, breakdown of communication, dancing and celebration decline | | 61:31–62:31 | What can be done to combat algorithmic division? Kerry’s call for real-world unity | | 62:58–66:19 | Kwanzaa Crawl—using community celebration to unite the diaspora |

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Tone & Style Highlights

• Conversational, irreverent, and humorous with moments of sharp cultural critique.
• Frequent playful teasing and “bits” (nostalgic advertising, dancing, old-school brands), balanced by earnest reflection on community.
• Kerry brings both insight and action through her work, providing grounded, hopeful counterargument to division.

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Conclusion & Takeaways

The episode’s central argument is that while foreign interference (Russian bots) played an early role in stirring division within Black America, tech platforms and American social trends have amplified and entrenched these splits. The solution, according to Kerry and the hosts, lies in disengaging from divisive arguments, rebuilding real-life community bonds, and celebrating Black culture in ways that transcend superficial online debate.

Action Point:

• “Stop engaging in divisive debates. Focus on coming together—across the diaspora, across neighborhoods, across families. That’s how we move forward.” (61:55, Kerry)

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Find the Guest

• Kerry Coddett: @OverFab on all platforms
• One-woman show “Mud Hole” at Netflix Is A Joke Festival (May 6th, UCP Theater)
• Founder of “Kwanzaa Crawl”—celebrations in Brooklyn (June & December 2026)

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For more:

• Send conspiracy theories and questions to [e-mail] or call 844-Little-Moms.
• Subscribe to the “My Momma Told Me” Patreon for more bonus content.

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Essential Three-Point Takeaway:

1. Online division—whether foreign or domestic in origin—has real, harmful consequences for Black communities.
2. Disengage from endless, circular online debates; build real-world solidarity and tradition.
3. Celebration, togetherness, and supporting Black enterprise (like Kwanzaa Crawl) are practical countermeasures.

Transcript

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[David Borey]

Did you ever have lugs?

[Carrie]

Did you guys ever have lugs like the boots?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I wanted some real bad.

[Carrie]

I did because I'm a woman.

[David Borey]

Oh that's fair.

[Langston Kerman]

They made lady lugs.

[David Borey]

They did have grow lugs though.

[Carrie]

Yeah, but like a girl that's wearing lug, probably smoking black and mild.

[David Borey]

That's true, that's true.

[Carrie]

Probably not where you want to be with it.

[David Borey]

That's true.

[Langston Kerman]

And that was a period where that was what I was into.

[David Borey]

True. Me, too. I said that.

[Carrie]

And the OMI was like, bitch, Really?

[Langston Kerman]

A lady in lugs was like, God damn.

[David Borey]

Boy, it really sets off your baby fat. The one jacket baby fat. Cause I never seen. I've seen a baby fat tee. And then I seen that one jacket, and not really. And I guess they had the sweatpants, too.

[Carrie]

They had a whole sweatpant.

[Langston Kerman]

Good.

[David Borey]

Yeah. Yeah. You got the black. Classy.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay. Classy. Girl, that's basically like walking around in Chanel.

[David Borey]

The government growing babies, microchips in your Annies.

[Langston Kerman]

All koala bears are racist.

[David Borey]

The ozone layer owes me money. Martians invented dirty stuff. Y' all can't tell me nothing. Mom's got the night off. Daddy's running the show. You want to keep me happy? Here's what you got to know. I want the blues. Kraft macaroni and cheese. Welcome, little mamas and gentiles alike, to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told

[Langston Kerman]

Me, the podcast, where we dive deep, deep into the pockets of black conspiracy

[David Borey]

theory, and we finally work to prove nothing at all. We don't know anything for you.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm at a point where I'm worried I'm losing stuff I did know because of this podcast. I was certainly just life in general, but this podcast being a nasty little cancer inside of stuff I knew, I

[David Borey]

think that that is something to explore. I don't think you should worry about it.

[Langston Kerman]

You're not gonna stop me.

[David Borey]

Nah, man. Nah, man. I stay up. Ain't nothing going on out here.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. In that way, I don't trust me. I don't trust me to give you at home good information. My brain's bad. Your brain's bad.

[David Borey]

My brain's not great. I'm also. I think I am taking in less than I did when we first started doing this. That's the worry.

[Langston Kerman]

It's less necessary.

[David Borey]

Like, not as I'm not watching the news nearly as much as I was when we first started doing this. That's a problem.

[Langston Kerman]

Every night I say, baby, I ain't got to learn. I'm codependent.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Well, David knows.

[David Borey]

I know. Yeah. My wife tries to tell me what happened today. I don't need it.

[Langston Kerman]

Come on. I can't talk to Langston about this.

[David Borey]

Yeah, he doesn't care about the space shuttle.

[Carrie]

Baby, do you feel happier now that you don't watch the news?

[David Borey]

I do watch the news. It's just like, I feel happier than when I was watching every day.

[Carrie]

Uh, huh?

[David Borey]

Yeah, a lot. Because I think there's a lot of situations, especially with the news, because it's this catch all and there's a lot of stuff I don't need to know about week to week. I just need to know if Orban won or not.

[Carrie]

Right.

[David Borey]

You know what I'm saying? I don't need to follow that weekly. And I think there's a lot of things like that that the news will try to keep you abreast of every day. I don't really need it like that. Yeah.

[Carrie]

I stopped watching the news maybe like four years ago, and I realized that the big shit gets in, like, all the big things. Like, I didn't have to turn on the news to know that my taxes were due. You know what I mean? Like, all the big headlines, it finds your way.

[David Borey]

Somebody's going to. Somebody's going to say something to you. Mm. You're like yelling out of a car window. Somehow you're gonna get your news. How do people ever get their news?

[Langston Kerman]

There used to be an era of parents who just didn't watch the news like that. You know what I mean? Like, my mom wasn't necessarily watching the news. She was watching, like, she'd watch like dateline.

[David Borey]

She watched 20 20.

[Langston Kerman]

We weren't like, it wasn't like we were turning on Channel 7 to learn what was happening in the world all the time.

[Carrie]

But we had newspapers, too. Like, you would get your newspaper every morning and be like, this is what's going on in. For the most part, this is the world shit. And then everything else. You don't need it.

[David Borey]

You know what's weird, too? I read the news a lot. Newspaper a lot. Through high school, actually.

[Langston Kerman]

You were reading it?

[David Borey]

My parents got it in high school and they didn't even read it. But I was grounded so much. You got shit to do. You start working on those crosswords, see what the boondocks is up to.

[Langston Kerman]

Then you start reading the words around it.

[David Borey]

Yeah. Then it's like, all right, well, you know, read lifestyle a little bit. So, yeah, through high school, I read the newspaper. Yeah. And it was not. I don't feel that much better for it.

[Langston Kerman]

That's crazy.

[Carrie]

You know what, too? Back in the days, we used to have tabloids. Like, there was like, Star magazine. There was people, There were things you went to to, like, read about celebrities. But now it's all the same thing. So, like, you'll read a newspaper or you'll follow like the Daily News or whatever, and they'll be reporting what Kanye Did. Or the Kardashians. It's all just blended in.

[David Borey]

It's. I watch PBS NewsHour. Cause I like to think I'm better than people. And when they have entertainment people in there.

[Carrie]

Yeah. Truly. I was like, okay, that sound like

[David Borey]

a F is very neutral.

[Carrie]

I watch npr. Okay. I see.

[David Borey]

Shout out to Amna Nawaz. I hope you come back. You seem to be away a lot. No, but then, like, I'll be watching PBS news. I'll be like, I'm a. I'm an adult. I'm an adult. And then they'll have like a. They're talking to a comedian at the end. I'm like, get this out of my face. I don't want to see this. I don't want it.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, it's.

[David Borey]

It's.

[Langston Kerman]

I. I think that we did something really dangerous when we started conflating celebrity with news culture. I think they. Them two things shouldn't even come close to mixing.

[Carrie]

You know where it started.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Carrie]

I think it started with tmz. I remember when Michael Jackson died. So before TMZ was tabloids. And everything they reported, it was like, this is not real.

[David Borey]

Right.

[Carrie]

When they got the drop on Michael Jackson, then they became, like, a leader of all the news. And now they're legitimate. Where if, like, TMZ is breaking it, New York Times is quoted, like, as. Yeah, as reported by tmz.

[David Borey]

Which, no, people say TMZ doesn't miss. Like, they really don't miss like that.

[Langston Kerman]

But that's because they were like, we're going to do news the nastiest way possible. We going to do news like dogs. And everybody else was like, no, there are journalistic sort of responsibilities. There's an integrity to this art form. And then at some point, they were like, prove it. Prove it. Because I keep telling everybody who died fastest. You know what I mean? Like, I told you who ate whose pussy yesterday. Y' all just finding out.

[David Borey]

Yeah, that is true.

[Langston Kerman]

Prove me wrong.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

And that sucks when that kind of relationship gets introduced. Cause it's only gonna make it cancerous.

[Carrie]

You know what I mean?

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

It can't be competitive like that.

[David Borey]

No. The fall of the journalism corps is the beginning of the end of a country.

[Langston Kerman]

It's beautifully said. And it couldn't be a better introduction to our guest.

[David Borey]

Yeah, that was a great little alley. I was like, ok,

[Langston Kerman]

you said something important. It made both of us sound smart again. Codependent.

[David Borey]

And we gotta top load that, too. Because by the end, it gets so stupid that we really Gotta be in

[Carrie]

the beginning, like, and establish yourself as credible people.

[David Borey]

I could read you believe. I watch the news. I have health insurance. Baby, I won't hurt you. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[Carrie]

I want you to know. Health insurance. Okay. Another flat.

[David Borey]

I also know all the words in the macaroni and cheese song. So it's really like, what's a lot going on?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. And he says I'm like ice cube. So you don't even know if that's.

[David Borey]

Yeah, I wanted to sing it like the little girl, but I didn't have it. You remember? Because that was the one with the little black girl. You remember. You don't remember that commercial?

[Carrie]

I don't remember that singing how ago.

[David Borey]

I can't do it.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, she.

[David Borey]

She was like. It was like, really like, you want me to play? I'm not. I can't say.

[Carrie]

I'm sure she wasn't like that.

[David Borey]

She's saying, like Louis Armstrong. Everybody did to me when I was a boy. If you like Stan or Whitney Houston

[Carrie]

or Louie, beep, beep.

[David Borey]

Be a zatarain. Hey, if Zataran's made macaroni and chees,

[Carrie]

they probably still be around.

[David Borey]

That would go crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

Crap Mac and cheese type little black girl, please.

[David Borey]

Let me see.

[Langston Kerman]

Is that it? Yeah, probably 1981.

[David Borey]

No, no, no, no. I'm not that old.

[Carrie]

No, no, that's not a white child.

[David Borey]

No, this shit had a beat. This shit maybe. Check. Produced by Teddy Riley. I don't know if you're going to find.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, this is. This is a dinosaur of some.

[Carrie]

No, that's your noodle going.

[David Borey]

I do remember that one, too.

[Carrie]

I don't remember any of that.

[Langston Kerman]

And they shouldn't have said that.

[Carrie]

They shouldn't. Craft gets your noodle going.

[Langston Kerman]

In retrospect, that was wrong for them to pitch. Whoever pitched it was wrong.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

And the. The levels of unchecked approval that went through that fucking advertising company and then the craft organization is fucked.

[David Borey]

Do you remember? I was thinking about this. Do you remember Corn Nuts used to have commercials where they said, bust a nut? Nah, I don't. Swear to God. It was like. There was a song.

[Carrie]

I'm not making it up.

[David Borey]

I'm not making it up. You could Google it. It was a song. It would be like, bust a nut. Bust a nut. No, do it at school, but don't get caught. No, look it up, look it up, look it up, look it up. I'm not. It was on the radio. It was on the.

[Carrie]

This is crazy.

[David Borey]

This might be a West coast thing. I don't know if maybe you guys didn't get that Midwest east coast, but

[Langston Kerman]

I never saw any corn nuts commercial.

[David Borey]

Type in Corn Nut. Bust a nut, brother.

[Langston Kerman]

If you thought I was gonna miss this one. The real radio jingle. Okay, here we go. Bust a nut is what it's. It's a commercial. Yeah, of course it's a commercial. I'm not paying for YouTube.

[Carrie]

Okay, cool. We'll just wait for the app.

[Langston Kerman]

Don't judge me.

[David Borey]

This is a song about corn nuts.

[Langston Kerman]

An intensely crunchy snack. It's not about anything else.

[David Borey]

Go to your room and lock the door.

[Langston Kerman]

Cause when you try it once, you wanna try it some more?

[Carrie]

Try it some more.

[Langston Kerman]

Size doesn't matter and that's a fact. It might be small, but it's a big impact.

[David Borey]

Bust it, not bust a nut.

[Langston Kerman]

Grab a bag of cool nuts and bust a nut.

[David Borey]

You're lightly toasted and hard as hell. Enjoy yourself. We won't tell everybody.

[Langston Kerman]

There's a second verse.

[Carrie]

That's crazy. They said it starts. Go to your room and close the door.

[David Borey]

Yo.

[Carrie]

They knew size doesn't matter.

[Langston Kerman]

Like they said, we won't tell all

[David Borey]

that Cornut still couldn't catch on. Yeah, that's hard. It is hard. They were nasty. Cornuts is a terrible snack.

[Carrie]

This feels like when I watched that Nickelodeon documentary all over again. This is like. It's just people jizzing on kids.

[Langston Kerman]

This is crazy. This is singing the Epstein Files. Truly.

[David Borey]

Donald Trump and the rest. I remember. Cause even as a kid, I was like, this is wild. This.

[Carrie]

But she bought some corn nuts.

[Langston Kerman]

This is fucking real.

[David Borey]

A couple times. A couple of times.

[Carrie]

Never had corn nuts.

[David Borey]

You're not missing out. It's a. I think that. I think that New York is a place that has good enough food that you don't need to. You don't need to.

[Carrie]

You don't need to get involved with the nuts of it all.

[David Borey]

Corn nuts is trash. It's really bad.

[Langston Kerman]

The radio campaign was pulled, rightfully so, very quickly. Apparently because of.

[David Borey]

Not before it soaked in.

[Langston Kerman]

Because. Because apparently these parents didn't have a fun sense of humor about encouraging kids to beat off. And only corn nuts knows about it.

[Carrie]

That's crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

Good for them. Wow, they really got one off, huh?

[David Borey]

Worked on me.

[Carrie]

No pun intended.

[David Borey]

Yeah. You know. No, it was all intended.

[Langston Kerman]

It was intended. I think. I think in some ways we can look at all of this criminal and fucking evil enterprising as. As exactly what it is. It'. Gross. It's disgusting that these are the people running our country and our institutions that said, I bet you they really high five the fuck out of each other when they get one off.

[David Borey]

Oh, when they got that to air.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I think they. I think the thumbs up they give each other in the parking lot after a good one like that is probably. It makes them feel good. And in that way, I congratulate them on their victory. You got it. You win. You win this round. Pedophiles,

[David Borey]

I think you should. That's maybe a good place for you.

[Carrie]

Yeah, just intro me right there and just say, we're not one off pedophiles.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

We're not dissing me.

[David Borey]

Right. We're not getting.

[Langston Kerman]

It's a perfect show.

[Carrie]

How'd you know it's a perfect show?

[Langston Kerman]

There's no need to critique the way we run things around here.

[Carrie]

I love it.

[Langston Kerman]

Carrie, you. Our guest today is a comedian, an actress, a writer, a talent of all sorts. A dancer. I've seen you dance. You learned to swim. I saw that.

[Carrie]

Black people need to learn that.

[Langston Kerman]

Swimming and shit.

[David Borey]

We're a swim podcast.

[Langston Kerman]

He's a very swim positive ass.

[Carrie]

I love that.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

And you're not anti swim?

[Langston Kerman]

I'm not anti swim. I'm real happy that my kids do it. I don't love being in there, but I'm real positive on them being a part of it. The point is, Comedy Central, Flatbush misdemeanors, all kinds of hbo, all kinds of amazing shit. Kerry cotted everybody. Look, if you hate cops just because

[David Borey]

they're cops, the next time you get

[Langston Kerman]

in trouble, call a crackhead. That's right. That is the button he chose. I love that.

[Carrie]

I really do miss my crackheads, though, so thank you. I had that thought the other day.

[David Borey]

It's been a common sentiment. I've been seeing just in the country, people are like. People miss crackheads.

[Carrie]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

For real, though, I think that's because

[David Borey]

I feel like fentanyl is, like. It's like in a level of addiction that doesn't allow you to participate in any way with.

[Carrie]

You can't have ambition.

[David Borey]

With society. With society. Yeah. They're not even trying to, like. They're not like, let me sell this shit to get. They're just swamped. Whereas crackheads had to integrate in a lot of terrible ways, but also, they integrated with, like, society.

[Langston Kerman]

They recognized the system was at large and they had to be participants in it. You can't mow a lawn on fence.

[Carrie]

Right. You can't.

[David Borey]

That's not. Can't stand up.

[Carrie]

You can't, brother.

[Langston Kerman]

It only Took that itty bitty much to even get you there. You can't focus on it.

[David Borey]

You know what they're not bending over and doing.

[Langston Kerman]

Yep.

[David Borey]

Picking up their bootstraps.

[Carrie]

I need a flex

[Langston Kerman]

city, boss. Yeah.

[Carrie]

You guys are silly fit addicts.

[Langston Kerman]

You gotta work harder.

[David Borey]

Come on.

[Langston Kerman]

Truly yourself.

[David Borey]

Crackheads had lots of jobs.

[Carrie]

Crackheads had jobs. They had ambition. Stimulated local economies.

[David Borey]

It might not have been your taste, but they were also putting that on.

[Langston Kerman]

Maybe you're slumped because you're lazy.

[Carrie]

Yeah. You ever thought about that?

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

How about that?

[David Borey]

Maybe do a stimulant like a real addict. No offense. Scares me so much.

[Langston Kerman]

It's really scary. I pray I never.

[David Borey]

I hate it on my car.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, no, it scares the out. Anyway, Carrie, you came to us.

[Carrie]

I did.

[Langston Kerman]

You came to us with a conspiracy theory that I'm really excited about.

[David Borey]

Yeah, this is a really good one.

[Langston Kerman]

We were actually talking about it as we were coming in.

[Carrie]

Really?

[Langston Kerman]

That this is a theory. That it tickles. It makes our ears stand on end. We perk up when we hear this. You said, my mama told me

[David Borey]

Russian bots are tearing APART Black America

[Carrie]

100%.

[David Borey]

Let's go.

[Langston Kerman]

Tell us how you feel.

[Carrie]

Hundred percent. And not enough people are talking about it, so I'm actually happy that y' all have provided this space because my friends are tired of hearing me talking about it. Okay, So I don't know if y' all remember, but, like, back in the 2016 election, they. Okay, actually, let me start to where we are now.

[David Borey]

Okay.

[Carrie]

Where we are now. If you look at it, everybody is fighting over 50. 50 on dates. Every single podcast. Not this one, but every other podcast.

[Langston Kerman]

No, we. We argue about it.

[Carrie]

We do.

[David Borey]

Okay.

[Carrie]

Okay. Because I'm like.

[David Borey]

I don't even want to be over there.

[Carrie]

So I really hope that.

[David Borey]

And before it was not that.

[Carrie]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

I wouldn't even know how to bring it up, quite frankly.

[Langston Kerman]

50.

[Carrie]

50.

[David Borey]

Yeah. No, it's. It's nuts.

[Langston Kerman]

I've gone on miserable dates and picked that check up like a man, period.

[David Borey]

Yeah, that's just what the game is.

[Carrie]

Don't let them hear you grow up.

[Langston Kerman]

You ain't happy, I ain't happy. My bad.

[David Borey]

Yeah, period. Shouldn't have asked you at your work.

[Langston Kerman]

Shouldn't even came over here.

[David Borey]

That was on me. I should have just let you check shit out at Target. You had it.

[Langston Kerman]

Damn. I slipped you a note in the bank.

[David Borey]

Had a little joke on it. Said, I got a gun. Jk, will you go out with me? Wire in.

[Carrie]

Not wire.

[Langston Kerman]

And remember, I do have that gun.

[Carrie]

Yeah. Yeah.

[David Borey]

But for real, the gun's real. I thought it was a meet cute. I thought that was our love story.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. No, it didn't work out, so. Yeah.

[David Borey]

Yes.

[Carrie]

So that is happening.

[David Borey]

Yes.

[Carrie]

What else is happening? High value man or woman.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Carrie]

That's tearing apart the black community.

[Langston Kerman]

Sure.

[Carrie]

Then you got the foundational black Americans and the ados, and that is like a whole other level.

[David Borey]

That's huge.

[Carrie]

That's huge. And yeah, I was like, what's going on? And so during the pandemic, I took a complete break from being online, and then I stepped back and then I started just watching and seeing patterns. Then I saw the podcast. Everybody got a podcast, but people who weren't qualified.

[David Borey]

Some of us should get a lot of money for it.

[Carrie]

Some of you should. Some of y' all shouldn't. Some of y' all don't need mics.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

And they tell us we don't need them a lot.

[David Borey]

Yeah. But that's. Cause they don't see the vision.

[Carrie]

They don't know. They don't know how you.

[Langston Kerman]

It does worry me that everybody thinks that.

[David Borey]

I think that we cross a lot of people's paths who never wanted it anyways because of how the Internet works. So they see it and they're like, what the fuck? Brad Temperton wrote Thriller or whatever they're yelling at us about. But I think it's just, we're not everybody's cup of tea. But if you like us, we're very good.

[Carrie]

Yeah. I have people who love you guys and I love you guys. So that's why I'm here. And fuck those people. Those people are dumb.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Carrie]

What I'm talking about is all the people that are doing these divisive ass relationship podcasts that are not bringing black men and black women any closer together. No one's having sex anymore. Like, what's really.

[David Borey]

I'm sure that's like, documented, right?

[Carrie]

No, it is. After the pandemic, I remember I went to my first, like, post quarantine party, and it was at somebody's house and it was men and women. People were good looking. And I pulled up, everybody's in the kitchen arguing over 50, 50, like, hypothetical, what if your woman did this? And I was just so confused. I'm like, so now we're taking the conversations that were online and that we were circulating online while we were locked indoors.

[Langston Kerman]

Online. In isolation.

[Carrie]

In isolation, which is the worst. In an echo chamber.

[David Borey]

The worst type of online, which is what primari. How we do it. But that's like the worst way. I think crazy. If I'm just by myself scrolling, I think crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't send my wife nothing I'm looking at when I'm on the road.

[David Borey]

Not the real. No, no, no. I get like. I'll get like a cute. You know what I mean?

[Langston Kerman]

Every once in a while old people

[David Borey]

will be like this us. They're like a duck and a cat or something, you know? But like she's not getting the weird. I'm like, absolutely. Because why wouldn't somebody worth a fight. No, she won't appreciate it. She doesn't get how funny it is that they started at the salad bar and they ended by the drinks. She doesn't understand distance traveled within a fight.

[Carrie]

But the more that weird shit you watch, the more that the algorithm feeds you also. So you really feel justified. Like, oh, there's other people out here that like that shit.

[David Borey]

We're both buried in it. Our algorithms are. I'd say we're both, both pretty. It's pretty. We do like a monthly watch along of just like terrible shit. We've seen this one. Yeah, pretty bad.

[Langston Kerman]

And. And we're not running out of stuff. No, we both have like a surplus of. Of hundreds. I. I've sent hundreds of videos that none of are. Are good.

[David Borey]

Sometimes it's kind of comforting though. I'll see something. I'll be like, this is nasty. This is bad. And then I'll see the heart and then I'll see his face. You'll be like, oh, Alexa was over here. It's like, you, Zack Fox. There's some people who show up at the weirdest corners of my Internet.

[Carrie]

Yeah, hilarious. I don't ever see y' all on my post, so I don't know what I be looking at.

[Langston Kerman]

And that.

[David Borey]

Oh, I don't like he like, I don't like shit.

[Carrie]

Yeah. I don't want to leave a blueprint. I don't leave comments like, I want

[Langston Kerman]

them to know what I like.

[Carrie]

Hell no.

[David Borey]

No.

[Carrie]

Cause that's when they keep feeding you more shit.

[Langston Kerman]

And that's why I like it.

[Carrie]

You are insane. She's got the crazy idea, the hand

[David Borey]

motions of a sane. No guys like I really got

[Carrie]

holding guns to your head like I want.

[Langston Kerman]

We just got life insurance.

[David Borey]

It's a smarter idea because I have a family.

[Carrie]

That's crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

Now I want them to know what I'm into. So I send.

[David Borey]

So you can see more of that.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, because. And if I may defend myself. And maybe this connects back to Our bigger conversations. In a lot of ways, I agree with you. I think that there was sort of this intentional effort during a era of the Internet. And I can't place exactly when it was, but. And I'm excited about this, but I think that that that shift into it just being nasty for nasty sake truly happened. And now I figured out a very specific algorithm of the type of people who are completely in control of the thing that they post, regardless of whether or not it is fucked up or weird or nefarious in some kind of way.

[David Borey]

You're on a lot of nasty inspirational stuff. I say that. I see you there a lot.

[Carrie]

Nasty, inspirational.

[David Borey]

It'll be like a man in full S and M gear telling you to go back to college or some weird shit like that.

[Carrie]

So not nasty. Just, like, fun sometimes. And that's how I see it.

[Langston Kerman]

That's how I see it.

[David Borey]

Everybody has different fun. Everybody has different fun.

[Langston Kerman]

And yeah, sometimes that dude is probably, like, crying out from a divorce and, like, in a lot, a lot of pain, and that's what's making him do this. And I've been following that journey. You know what I mean? Like, I've been tracking this dude for a minute. Like, there's this group of three dads that I follow.

[David Borey]

That shit is crazy. It's, like, hard.

[Carrie]

What are they doing?

[David Borey]

I don't really know.

[Langston Kerman]

It's probably easier for me to show you than to tell you.

[David Borey]

It is not. It's like they're not doing anything wrong. They're just being good guys. But you watch it and you're like, something about this is crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

It's pretty fucked up, but it is.

[David Borey]

It feels.

[Langston Kerman]

There's no other way to describe it as like a. Just a perfect combination of men. I really wish I could describe it otherwise. All right, this is sort of three dads with twins. Yes, we are gay. No, we're not a throbble. We're more relatable and crazy than ever before.

[David Borey]

Yes, One of us is the ex husband. We have three dads.

[Langston Kerman]

We're three dads with twins.

[David Borey]

Some twins, right? Okay, wait.

[Carrie]

One more. Okay, let me show you.

[David Borey]

What?

[Langston Kerman]

That feeling you have.

[Carrie]

So three gay dads.

[David Borey]

That's not what makes it weird.

[Carrie]

What makes it weird?

[David Borey]

I can't tell.

[Langston Kerman]

You're just listening to the words, but there's a whole play happening in front of you. You're watching. You're watching a gay man who looks like a Ken doll got put in

[Carrie]

a microwave kind of thing.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, he looks puffed up and weird and he goes, we're three dads. It's only one of him at this point. But we are three dads. And then we are introduced to a second character who looks identical to him except a little smaller and with the longest hair that you've ever seen in your life. Like a Rapunzel type hair, but identical to the weird fucked up Ken doll. And he says. He says, yes, we're gay. As if you were questioning based off of the three dads. And then. And then you meet a man who doesn't match these niggas at all.

[Carrie]

At all.

[David Borey]

How would he get there?

[Langston Kerman]

He don't even make sense.

[Carrie]

And he's much older.

[Langston Kerman]

What do they do?

[Carrie]

You would think he's not. I don't think he is.

[Langston Kerman]

He just didn't play in his face the same way they played in their faces.

[David Borey]

It's like you start and you're gonna be thinking about it.

[Carrie]

What's the page? I gotta look this up later.

[David Borey]

Exactly.

[Langston Kerman]

Our three dads.

[David Borey]

Exactly.

[Langston Kerman]

And let me tell you something. They introduced the nanny at some point and she's a character.

[Carrie]

Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

They are now getting a lady pregnant. They're working on a fourth the old fashioned way. And two of them.

[David Borey]

I don't know about that.

[Carrie]

I'm like, come on, there's too much going on. I was. I could get on board with, okay.

[Langston Kerman]

Two of the three dads are currently married. One of them used to be married to the main character. We are three dads. He's sort of the main guy.

[Carrie]

Got it.

[Langston Kerman]

And now they're living as co parents. But one of them just isn't married to any of these people. And they constantly are using those kids for content. It is a fascinating watch. But ultimately they're not hurting anybody.

[David Borey]

They're not.

[Langston Kerman]

And that is the algorithm I seek.

[Carrie]

We don't know what the. I don't mean are they physically hurting the kids. But. But you're pimping out your kids. I feel like this whole family social media thing is just the way those kids ended up at Michael Jackson's house. And like, you know what I mean? It's like you doing all this for fame and you pimping out your kids. What are the kids doing in the video?

[David Borey]

Have you seen the kids family content? Like, it's outrageous. YouTube for kids. Like that shit. I've kind of been seeing some of that shit. That shit, it's a bummer because kids have no taste, so they'll just eat slop. You know what I mean? So the people who are like, dedicated to Just giving the kids slop on YouTube, where there's no quality filter whatsoever, is just these kids watching these ads for products. Yeah. And then, like, somebody yelling at them. You know what I mean?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. My daughter has taken, like, a special fascination in, like, this family that does, like, crafts. Like, they'll just, like, sit around, and they'll, like. They'll teach you how to make play doh. But, like, at home, and it'll just be. They'll be like, you can just use fucking starch and this and then put some food coloring in it, and they'll have, like, a little kid mix it with their hands, and they're like, you like it? And you go, yeah, it's fun.

[David Borey]

Yeah, that's fun.

[Langston Kerman]

And then they cut to the. To the next thing, and it's a different craft that they're making, and they're like compilations of these kids in this family doing it for hours to the point that you start to see these kids get older and, like, change and not be interested in this the same way. So they got to put the little kids in now to be.

[David Borey]

Yeah. Because the old ones get horny. That's when you got to take them off camera.

[Langston Kerman]

Got that little mustache now.

[Carrie]

Nothing wrong with the cornet slapping the door.

[David Borey]

It's all that.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm with that cornut. The cornet man said, I don't have to tell you where we are.

[David Borey]

Oh, no.

[Langston Kerman]

That's what the song is about.

[David Borey]

Don't make me the monster.

[Carrie]

No, no, no.

[David Borey]

I. I just felt it. Really.

[Carrie]

It took you to a place.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Ultimately, to your point, I do worry about those children, but I worry about them in the way that I think that the Internet is bad. Completely. Like, I don't think that there's hope for any kid on the Internet. And so in that way, like, yeah, it sucks, but they seem to have at least enough room. They have the resources to be able to provide for these kids on some level.

[Carrie]

This is what you're saying to make yourself feel better for the fact that you are. You love these people and you're subscribed.

[David Borey]

I mean, is good.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. It's certainly how I lay down at night.

[David Borey]

I'm not mad at it.

[Langston Kerman]

I go. I go, those babies ain't hungry, though. They got full bellies.

[Carrie]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Carrie]

Because there probably is an IG account with starving kids also.

[David Borey]

That's right.

[Carrie]

You know what I mean? And that's not them.

[Langston Kerman]

That's not them.

[David Borey]

They got a dad for dinner, a dad for dessert, a dad for breakfast.

[Langston Kerman]

Please don't Be the daddy for dessert.

[David Borey]

I pray to God you don't be

[Langston Kerman]

the daddy for dessert.

[Carrie]

Not the midnight snack dad. You don't want that one.

[David Borey]

That is a different Instagram. If you type in idnight snack dad. It's not them.

[Carrie]

No, it's not them.

[Langston Kerman]

It's a cool ass dude we would love to talk to.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. At midnight snack, dude.

[Carrie]

Come on.

[David Borey]

We have some things to discuss. All right.

[Langston Kerman]

So outrageous. So tell me a little bit more about your. You said you do have the exact landing spot for where this all happened.

[Carrie]

So in 2016, the election was between Trump and Hillary.

[Langston Kerman]

Let's go. And then I hope Hillary wins.

[Carrie]

Right? Exactly. Who knows how that ended up?

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Carrie]

And then I wanna say, like in 2019, after she lost, clearly, it came out. I think it was like the Mueller report. And they said, oh, yeah, for sure. Russian bots. It was called the Internet Research Agency. So the ira and they were responsible for sowing seeds of division in America so that Hillary did not win the campaign. And they were specifically targeting black people. And they were having black Facebook pages. It was like one page was called blacktivis. They were infiltrating in black Twitter. And what they were doing was widening existing divisions between black people. Now look at where we are. Yeah, now you can't even say black. Now the word black means only black Americans.

[David Borey]

Right.

[Carrie]

Which is outrageous.

[Langston Kerman]

Sure. There was some version of connectivity that they figured out a way to sever even more than it previously was.

[David Borey]

The Internet divide, the level of it is crazy because it feels like I can't maybe speak to other groups as so much, but it's like. Like there's so many camps that you have to be in. Yeah. You know what I mean? Where it's like you have to know how you feel about 5050 or whatever, you know? And it feel. It does feel. It does feel like. Who wants to talk about this? All the time.

[Carrie]

All the time.

[David Borey]

Like, I'm seeing so many clips every

[Carrie]

time and we're not getting any closer to it. Then you have like the Kevin Samuel and then the high value and the toxic. Then you got the women who only date men that make six figures, even though she broke. Then you got. It's just outrageous.

[Langston Kerman]

I remember that Cheesecake Factory argument. Almost like bro bringing down a nation.

[David Borey]

Oh, is that when. Are you talking about when it was the list of places not to go to for the first date?

[Langston Kerman]

No, it was when that. Before that that lady went on a date to the cheese or like, was going on a date and Then he was like, oh, we're going to Cheesecake Factory. And she was like, I'm not going.

[David Borey]

Oh, right.

[Langston Kerman]

And she, like, posted about it. And then the Internet went fucking nuts arguing about whether or not cheesecake is a good restaurant.

[Carrie]

This is crazy, because I didn't think about this. One of my best friends, I've known her since high school in 2016. We were on the phone. I remember this like it was yesterday. I was on my way to work. I was in the writer's room at the time, and I was on my way. And never call your friend who lives on the Internet in the morning to chat. That's my fucking bad.

[David Borey]

Yeah, they're heating up. They're just heating up.

[Carrie]

Yeah. So she called me. She's like, I'm in the middle of this argument on Facebook. On a Facebook on a Shade Room thread or something.

[Langston Kerman]

Baby, don't post over there.

[Carrie]

It was so early, though. This was 10 years ago. And so I'm like, what's the Shade Room? What's going on?

[David Borey]

Oh, no, you weren't. No, you didn't.

[Langston Kerman]

TD Jakes was in charge.

[Carrie]

I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. If only I knew then what I knew now. And she read me the article. Cause she was trying to tell me that she was arguing with people back and forth. So she starts to read the actual thing, and it's a lady who went on a date with a man, and I guess she wanted takeout for her kids at home or something. And I think that was the earliest version of these Cheesecake Factory arguments, where if you're on a date with a man and you got kids at home and you order a meal to go, should he pay for it? And she starts telling me, and I was like, oh, that bitch sounds entitled. And she's crazy. She heard that I called her entitled because I didn't hear what her take was. I was just like, oh, this lady. Whoever this lady is, she's unreasonable.

[David Borey]

She's kind of nuts. She's a dick.

[Commercial/Ad Voice]

And she was like, you calling me a dick?

[Carrie]

I've never spoken to her again.

[David Borey]

Whoa, yo, you lost a friend over

[Carrie]

the Shade Room over a hypothetical conversation on an Internet threat? I've known that girl since I was

[Langston Kerman]

12, and she wasn't even the type of lady ordering to go with kids.

[Carrie]

She clearly was. She clearly was. She clearly was. And that's. And she felt like when I was. When I was talking about her, I mean, truly. I mean, I ain't pull a bitch back I was like, be well, sis. Cause this is crazy. But, yeah, it's like, really causing real life harm and just connecting the dot.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't disagree with you. Obviously, the seeds of dissent have been sown, and, man, did they go crazy during that period. I think the part of me that gets a little skeptical if I put my skeptical fucking hat on is I don't fully believe the Russia element of it.

[David Borey]

Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

I think that America does a lot of shit to black Americans on its own that don't need Russian assistance.

[David Borey]

I could see it being like a. What are we talking about? Like a double psyop or something where they're like, oh, it was the Russians. When it was.

[Carrie]

Because

[David Borey]

I don't know the quality of bots. That's what I was telling Langston. That's what always is difficult for me. I don't know the level of, like, am I regularly being tricked by, like, bots via text? Like, I don't know. Like, sometimes I'll even look at, like, a crazy post and it'll be like, somebody be like, all the fucking bots in here. And I'm like, damn, I had no idea. Yeah. Like, so I don't know whether they're good enough for, like, bad enough to sway shit. Because when they say bots, is it like, something that's programmed to act like a black person and go out into the Internet, or is it just someone running a fake account?

[Langston Kerman]

I think part of what the Internet has done that is especially dangerous is blur those lines where in the same way that we talk about what AI is and AI isn't even what AI is. You know what I mean? Like, all these. It's a lot of Filipinos managing these fucking waymos and shit. It is a lot of. Even what they've said with ChatGPT is that, like, a lot of the information that is being sort of, like, sourced is also being, like, additionally checked by people in foreign countries that, like, there are back there's backing for the computer in case the information is slipping through. And so in that way, it's like, I don't fucking believe that it's just Russia that's doing this.

[Carrie]

So I don't believe that it's just Russia, and I don't trust the United States at all.

[David Borey]

No, no.

[Carrie]

But if you're watching, I love being American.

[David Borey]

I met on it.

[Carrie]

But I think that it's exactly what you said. Like, maybe it started in 2016. Well, maybe they started their camp. Obviously, the United States has been sowing seeds of division forever. And ever. Amen.

[David Borey]

Cointelpro.

[Carrie]

That's a whole situation. So that's a historical thing. They have dropping out podcast mics in the hood, right? Exact.

[Commercial/Ad Voice]

And fireworks.

[Carrie]

They dropped fireworks.

[David Borey]

Two things I made a lot of money on, truly two of my major financial injuries.

[Carrie]

That's how you got your house insurance.

[David Borey]

I ain't mad at it.

[Langston Kerman]

They certainly haven't taken any dollars out of our pockets.

[Carrie]

I think that it's a lot of things at work. And the main point of my argument is that this division was not real and it's not a real thing, but now we're making it real. And so we have real. Like my friends, like the podcasters, those are real people now parroting things that they saw on the Internet and making what's online now become reality because, like

[David Borey]

the algorithm dictates what people are going to talk about. So if you see it, like, of course you're going to take that to your own thing and spew. That's why we don't talk about shit over here. That's really scary, though.

[Carrie]

So that's the scary part that real people are like proliferating it and making it. It real. They're making it real now because I

[David Borey]

do wonder sometimes, I wonder with like, especially like the 50. 50 arguments, how many. How much of these arguments are just people bullshitting on all of them. The Internet or in the kitchen at a party. But like, when people are going on dates, it's still what it's always been, right?

[Langston Kerman]

But that's.

[David Borey]

I don't believe nobody, like on. You know what I mean? Oh, sh. You better. But when you're going out for real.

[Langston Kerman]

No, you're not doing that shit.

[David Borey]

You can't be.

[Carrie]

I think y' all are not. I do think there are some men.

[Langston Kerman]

I think there are now.

[Carrie]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

But I think that there was a real generation where like this wasn't even a conversation. And I think for the most part, more people than not are comfortable being like, I'll pay. I don't.

[David Borey]

Yeah, it's not.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm not about to have that weird ass part of the night sort of play out and then I have to justify via an argument I saw on the Internet. And I think that what.

[David Borey]

And for who. Who you gonna tell?

[Langston Kerman]

And what the bots are. Is somebody, isn't. It doesn't always have to be a computer. It can just be somebody who sees a provocative conversation and chooses the opposite of whatever the logical choice is.

[Carrie]

You're trolling. So bots and trolls are kind of like synonymous.

[David Borey]

I Hate trolling. I hate it as a. I hate it as a style of humor. I think it's for stupid people. Yeah. I think. I think even to be a provocateur, there's like a level to where it's important, but I think past that, it becomes like a very low effort way to get your shit off. I don't think it's interesting. I think it's like, usually dumb people who think they're really smart who are like, I'm just trolling, man. Well, maybe have an original feeling and back that up. Because trolling, just saying the opposite of what other people believe is not at all a difficult stance to take. No, it's not like, there's nothing. And I don't think that's, like, cool. I feel like I disagree. Emotional. We look her up.

[Langston Kerman]

She a troll like a motherfucker.

[David Borey]

No.

[Langston Kerman]

A man should buy you a purse every time you see him. Like, with that.

[David Borey]

When people are saying that, they don't mean that.

[Langston Kerman]

No, I don't think so.

[David Borey]

And are they doing that? I think if they are, though, that is like, hey, I think my ex

[Carrie]

worth it first, but.

[David Borey]

Oh, that's cool. But you guys were not xed when that happened.

[Carrie]

No, we weren't.

[David Borey]

Okay, so that's not.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, he's not a psycho.

[Carrie]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

That's not unreasonable. That your boyfriend bought you a purse at.

[Carrie]

Right, Right.

[Langston Kerman]

And what a nice guy. He let you keep it.

[Carrie]

He let me keep it.

[David Borey]

That's where it gets.

[Langston Kerman]

That's hilarious.

[David Borey]

That's where it gets nuts when you say, I'm gonna need that purse back. Right.

[Carrie]

Like, give me my shit back.

[David Borey]

Or in my case, it's like, hey, I did you as a gift card. You emptied a lot of it. I'm going to need you to refill that backup. I got to go back to Chile.

[Langston Kerman]

And yes, I'm going to need all $75 on that card.

[David Borey]

I won't. We'll split the activation fee. It's not a big deal.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah,

[David Borey]

but. Yeah, I don't know. I wonder about that stuff because it's like, is it hurting us if people aren't doing anything? Like, do you think the amount of people doing it in practice is enough to make a real impact?

[Carrie]

Yeah, I think it's really impacting us in real life. Like, the fact that we were just out of quarantine. Men and women are around for the first time, and instead of actually talking and connecting, y' all want to argue over hypothetical scenarios on the Internet, that's problematic. People don't know how to talk to each other anymore.

[David Borey]

That's true. I have a friend who substitute teaches, and he said when the kids got back, fights went up like crazy. I can see that post pandemic, he said. He said they're just like. They just fight all the time.

[Langston Kerman]

In Chicago, the height of when sort of like, you know, shootings, killings happens is right after winter. Like, right when it starts getting summertime.

[Carrie]

Sun's out, guns out.

[Langston Kerman]

But, like, truly. But, like, that ramp up to summertime is like, when it really pops, because it's like you're just a dog that has been in the house the whole time, and now you're finally back out, and you don't know how to engage. And so shit goes crazy.

[Carrie]

We're not socialized properly. We don't know how to interact. We don't know how to communicate. We're losing those skills. And especially with men and women, when we get around, our way of talking is to talk about the shit that they talk about on the relationship podcast. So now we're just arguing for argument's sake and yelling and calling it a conversation outrage.

[David Borey]

Yeah. It is weird, too, when you talk to, like, younger people, how much intersex. Like, relationships are so, like. Like, I have younger brothers and cousins and stuff, and the way they interact with girl, and just the whole thing is, like, so different. Like, when I was at 15, I wanted to be a. I like girl. Girls and these little kids, they don't even, like, want to talk about. Like, it's like they're so prudish, but then you realize what they're seeing is actually really extreme. They don't want to talk to you about it. Yeah, they're on some nuts. Shit. Yeah, you.

[Langston Kerman]

You took it too far, and now you can't tell anybody.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now it's like this weird, embarrassing thing.

[Langston Kerman]

I'll say this. The. The thing that I feel like we lost the most in the pandemic that we don't talk about often enough is dancing. I think. I think we really used to go to parties and dance with each other, and now culture has shifted in a way where, on average, when you go out, people ain't dancing the way they used to dance. They're not.

[David Borey]

You don't feel like that was on the decline already?

[Langston Kerman]

I do, but I think pandemic really took the last little, like, remnants of people who were, like, prioritizing it as part of the night rather than it being like, oh, yeah, we'll dance for a second, but then we just gonna Go back, like, I think about, like

[David Borey]

my mom and them. Like, her and her friends went out to dance.

[Carrie]

They go dancing. They were going dancing.

[David Borey]

They didn't even go out. And they were all like, single and shit. They didn't even go out to meet men. They were going out to dance.

[Langston Kerman]

I need to work up a sweat.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't hear people talk like that.

[Langston Kerman]

No.

[Carrie]

Well, I will say so. Two things. Cause I used to be a professional dancer. And so like, me and my friends, we would go out and pull that closer to you.

[Langston Kerman]

We listening. The microphone.

[Carrie]

Oh, sorry. It was like the water up there.

[Langston Kerman]

No, they gonna yell at you.

[Carrie]

We did go out and dance. And we dance and we make a thing of it. But I think social media is what really changed it. And I think the pandemic amplified social media use. Cause we were all on the Internet trying to connect. But now when you come out, post pandemic, everyone's phones are out. And every time I start having a good time, everybody wanna record. And now I'm self conscious. Cause you're not in the moment. Now I'm a spectacle. Now lights are on in the dark. What are you doing?

[David Borey]

We all dance so well that people want a video.

[Langston Kerman]

That's the problem.

[Carrie]

I mean, I've seen you dance. I, Langston, can dance. And I believe you.

[David Borey]

Oh, wow.

[Langston Kerman]

I believe you.

[David Borey]

I'm gonna have to take your word for it. It's not true.

[Carrie]

Okay. Yeah.

[David Borey]

I'm enthusiastic. I'm enthusiastic. I'll get sweaty. Yeah. Is it good?

[Langston Kerman]

No.

[David Borey]

No.

[Carrie]

It doesn't matter though.

[David Borey]

I might be the worst dancer in my family. I realized recently you.

[Langston Kerman]

But some of it I do think is a confidence issue. I think you. You don't believe in yourself.

[David Borey]

I believe enough to be out there and get sweaty, which is the harder thing than dancing. I think that's the thing I'm the more self conscious about.

[Langston Kerman]

And that's what I'm saying is I be tripping.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Carrie]

See, it's like popping molly. I don't give a fuck, though, because my moves make sense. But I could understand for you if they did it, why you would feel

[David Borey]

like how I keep up with enthusiasm. You know what I'm saying? Where it's like, I'm out here, though.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

But like, I seen my brothers dance recently. I was like, damn, where are you guys?

[Langston Kerman]

I don't go as hard as you, but when I was a kid, I used to.

[Carrie]

I used to.

[David Borey]

I'd be. You were doing that little dance.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I was in the Circle. I was doing the.

[Carrie]

I love the kids in the circle.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, I was doing this shit. And I think part of it was that there was no instinct to record the shit. So, yeah, I probably looked dumb a

[David Borey]

few times, but nobody was fun.

[Carrie]

You know what people do now? And I've seen it, and this is gonna bring me to my other point. But what they'll do is they'll be sitting down like this and they'll be at a party, not having a good time, and their friend will come around with the camera and they'll go, yes, yeah.

[David Borey]

And then they'll stop.

[Carrie]

And I'm like, what the fuck was that? Right?

[David Borey]

They'll hit you with a little fake

[Carrie]

shimmy, like they having a good time and then go back and like, I'm. I'm like, that's so weird because you could have been doing that the whole time.

[David Borey]

You're right. I have seen so much of that.

[Carrie]

It's so crazy, like as soon as the camera comes on. But for me, I'm like this. And the camera comes on and I'm

[Langston Kerman]

like, yeah, be normal. Yeah, don't catch me.

[David Borey]

Right? Maybe it's like, maybe it's spots though. Because I went to brunch the other day and they were going, I told

[Carrie]

you about that in la Here.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

They were going, no, no, no. Say specifically, where were you?

[David Borey]

I was in Riverside.

[Carrie]

I don't know.

[David Borey]

Everybody's been reacting. Like, I got to show you a video from this. There was a baby in there.

[Carrie]

Okay.

[David Borey]

And then the DJ was like, shout out to that baby.

[Carrie]

Oh my God.

[David Borey]

He was going nuts.

[Langston Kerman]

They were passing the baby around.

[Carrie]

I don't like fun with my brunches. I wanna just be. It just be too loud.

[David Borey]

Sometimes I feel like this brunch was the club. Like we were waiting to get in. It was my sister in law's birthday. We were waiting to get in and people kept coming out and being like, damn, I forgot it was daytime.

[Langston Kerman]

I like a certain amount of fun, but I don't. I like fun where it turns into a day party and we all agree to transition.

[Carrie]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

I do not necessarily need the meal

[Carrie]

itself to be right. Unless I'm going there for that. Otherwise it feels like an ambush comedy show. Like, here I am, I'm just trying to talk to my friend.

[Langston Kerman]

And now it's yeah, yeah, not a slutty squishy on my shoulder.

[David Borey]

That's brunch. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Carrie]

I love black people though. Cause we will turn something into a thing. Yeah, we will.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Brunch can be an event.

[David Borey]

Hot springs went to Glen Ivy. There's these black ladies going crazy in there.

[Carrie]

They were popping bottles at a hot spring.

[David Borey]

No, they were just like, partying. You got. Everybody should go to Glen Ivy. If you have a car, you should go to Glen Ivy. Okay, I just got a car, so I've been fast.

[Carrie]

Check you out. Okay. And health insurance.

[David Borey]

You know, I'm really loving this for you. Yeah, don't ask about taxi.

[Carrie]

Really, child. Don't talk about it.

[Langston Kerman]

Everybody just gets sad.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Carrie]

Truly, truly. They coming for me. They. It's fine. We're sorting it out.

[Langston Kerman]

Listen, we need to take a break and sort out these taxes.

[David Borey]

More.

[Langston Kerman]

Carrie got it. More. My mama told me. Hey, everyone, it's Cal Penn. I'm the host of Irsay, The Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast, I am sitting down with Ray Porter, the narrator of Andy Weir's audiobook project Hail Mary, Massive sci fi adventure about survival and science and what happens when you wake up alone, very far from Earth.

[David Borey]

I really had to make a decision

[Langston Kerman]

because I caught myself getting that frog

[David Borey]

in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections. And it's like, okay, yo, yo, yo. Is this indulgent? And I really thought about it. I was like, no.

[Langston Kerman]

At this point, it would kind of be betraying the. The trust the author and the listener

[David Borey]

have in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that. That deeply, emotionally affected me. And I left it on the mic.

[Langston Kerman]

That's great, cuz it served the story. People will say like, oh my God,

[David Borey]

I cried at the end. It's like, yeah, dude, me too.

[Langston Kerman]

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[Carrie]

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[Carrie]

I just feel like you'll be gnawing me. You just know it's gonna speak to me.

[David Borey]

That movie, amazing.

[Langston Kerman]

It was a really important film.

[David Borey]

It was really, really good. I looked it up. The story is not as exciting.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't think they said none of those catchphrases.

[David Borey]

No. Also, also, you know what I mean? Also, they were like, no, everybody was relatively pretty nice to us. Yeah, I read about it. How they invented the racism, the John Candy getting kicked out.

[Langston Kerman]

That's crazy.

[David Borey]

They were pushcart drivers. I also don't think that. I don't think if I remember right, I don't think it was like they were about to and they fell down. I don't think they were the fastest of the fastest of Jamaican Sprintaz either. But you know, it's still cool. And they still got a. They still have a bobsled program to this day. And they're actually pretty good right now.

[Langston Kerman]

I'll say this, that kind of makes me feel like the people who wrote Cool Runnings are way more talented than they get Credit for.

[David Borey]

Yeah. Cause that movie, I was gripped and

[Langston Kerman]

it was like a really good made up ass story.

[David Borey]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Carrie]

I love that you guys loved that movie too. Cause I thought that we were just so thirsty for representation as Caribbean people that growing up, I'm like, oh, my God. This is almost a good Jamaican accent that they're pulling off here.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Carrie]

And I was just so excited. But y' all liked it too.

[Langston Kerman]

I didn't know no Jamaicans. They sound right to me, man.

[Carrie]

You see?

[David Borey]

You see, I'm African. There was even less. So I was like, this almost feels like the way that my mom's barbecue sounds. You know what I mean? I was like kind of. Kind of African.

[Langston Kerman]

I was like, leon sound like that. That's crazy.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I thought Leon.

[Carrie]

It was great.

[David Borey]

We had that in the Arab there. Which is not a movie. That makes you feel good about it.

[Carrie]

I'm not. I don't think I've saw that.

[Langston Kerman]

That's my new bowl, right?

[David Borey]

Yeah. Where Kevin Bacon goes to Africa to get a basketball player. Yeah. It's.

[Langston Kerman]

And he gets the biggest one.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

And it's a bummer.

[Carrie]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

It's not a fun rewatch.

[Carrie]

Oh, no.

[David Borey]

Cool Running ain't Cool Running.

[Langston Kerman]

Just a good movie. And I will say there was an era in the 90s where we were really taking advantage of big old tall freaks. George Mirasan, he had those commercials and a movie, I believe.

[David Borey]

I think that a real tall freak, though. We're always gonna. As a society, we're always going to really enjoy. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

But we, We. We stopped making them the center of the movie.

[David Borey]

Oh, yeah. I think movies are a little better now.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Where we don't know.

[David Borey]

I don't think Wembanyama gets the movies. Shaq got no. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like he has no Kazam. There's no react to Kazam for Wemby. It's not gonna happen. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

What if Wemby was a stick bug?

[David Borey]

We're not getting.

[Langston Kerman]

We're not getting that movie.

[David Borey]

I was a little bit. Think he would do it? He's on his monk shit.

[Langston Kerman]

No, he's got. He's really focused on basketball. And that is why I fuck with him.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I. I like him a lot.

[Carrie]

He's on his shut up and dribble.

[David Borey]

Was he what?

[Carrie]

He's on his shut up and dribble.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't like the way you're saying it.

[Carrie]

I don't know sports. So this is my only connection.

[David Borey]

He's like. He's like one of those. He's like, one of those athletes that you don't feel like the sport is the most important thing in the world to him. You know what I'm saying? Where you hear other athletes and it's like, oh, I think this guy might actually be a psychopath. You know what I mean? That's not how he is. He's like.

[Carrie]

Seems to really have a life outside,

[Langston Kerman]

but I think his commitment to the sport is, like, so unflinching that he is. He's treating it like a. Like a. A job. He does not take time off. He's focused on getting better at this thing. But he also likes to read and, like, is learning to juggle all the time. And, like, he's an interesting dude.

[Carrie]

He doesn't want to be, like, a celebrity. Like, he's not focused on being a celebrity and doing all of that.

[Langston Kerman]

No, not yet.

[David Borey]

I think he just happened to be 76 in French, or. How tall is he?

[Langston Kerman]

I think 7 6.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

And he's French and he's French. Yeah. Big old. Big old freak.

[David Borey]

I feel like in France, I was there once. I don't feel like I saw any huge people like that.

[Carrie]

No, I mean, you don't see them here at 7 6. That seems crazy.

[David Borey]

I mean, not even, like. Because Americans, I feel like, are pretty tall, like, just as a people. It's like a pretty big group of people. And I didn't feel like the French were, like, even tall, like. Like us.

[Langston Kerman]

I.

[David Borey]

It.

[Langston Kerman]

It makes me feel more committed to the possibility that. That they are the product of science projects.

[David Borey]

French.

[Langston Kerman]

No, I mean tall people.

[Carrie]

He meant tall people.

[David Borey]

I was gonna say. You don't just come up with. Yeah, come on. Lightning struck twice. Okay. Existentialism three times.

[Carrie]

Now.

[David Borey]

Now. Now you're cooking something up.

[Langston Kerman]

You ain't win no fights, but apparently, yeah, y' all geniuses at everything else.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

No, I. I think we've talked about this a few times on the podcast. The possibility that, like, a. A Yao Ming. There's a conspiracy theory that he is the product of, like, human engineering more than he is, like, born naturally of a lady and a man mushing together. And I think this sort of feels, again, like bioengineering. The tallest person I knew when I was growing up was 6. 7.

[Carrie]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

That's about as real. I feel like that's as big as you'll find in real life.

[Langston Kerman]

And he was. He was big as hell, and that was the center of our basketball team. And he was big everywhere we went. And then at some point, point these freaks started showing up. And yeah, I say it with the potential.

[Carrie]

You did say it with like some

[Langston Kerman]

never forgive them for a. I can't

[David Borey]

really understand the angle you're coming from.

[Langston Kerman]

I had a better chance of making it if these big old weren't there.

[David Borey]

It takes a little bit to figure out what he means.

[Langston Kerman]

They took something from me. And so I talk nasty about that.

[David Borey]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm saying that we all are maybe witnessing some version of bioengineering. Whether or not that is truly like in a traditional lab or if it's just making sure that that big old lady and that big old man are connected and do something together.

[David Borey]

But I mean, don't you think also though there's a level of like people, like people who look like them?

[Langston Kerman]

That's true.

[David Borey]

Big old people want to fuck with big old people.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

You know what I mean? I mean I think it's like, is it engineering or is it just tall people? Like with tall people and this people, sometimes you'll be seeing people. You ever see couples where you're like, you guys, it's like a brother and sister kind of look, you know, like where they look so alike. You know what I mean?

[Carrie]

I think with tall people too.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

I never even talk.

[Langston Kerman]

Me and my wife, we don't, we don't look dissimilar.

[David Borey]

I think it means you have a healthy self esteem.

[Langston Kerman]

I guess maybe I don't, I don't know.

[Carrie]

You guys do kind of look alike. No, no, no, no nothing. My best friend is five, ten and a half and she literally just can't see anybody over that. She's like. So she's always making eyes with the other tall person in the room. So I think it's also that like they literally see eye to eye.

[David Borey]

Yeah. I think tall people are going to breed maybe even more than people who look alike.

[Langston Kerman]

And I think that bioengineering doesn't have to always be the responsibility of a guy government. I think that, I think that if you introduce, if you introduce capitalism and you introduce sort of like this need for like the idea of breeding and like creating with another person. You do you find like minded people who look like you and you go, I, we need to do this. It's true, in a private conversation you go, we have a responsibility here. And then they, they make some action.

[Carrie]

Several people have propositioned me for children just based off of that.

[Langston Kerman]

I think there's something in the human brain that might want that so bad that we will proposition.

[David Borey]

Wow, what Was the pitch.

[Carrie]

Let's make some beautiful dark babies that aren't cut with anything.

[Langston Kerman]

And I don't like the way they said that.

[Carrie]

Right.

[David Borey]

People be saying. I wasn't judging it. I was like. And that's our dynamic. The weird.

[Langston Kerman]

Listen, I think some cocaine is better with bass.

[David Borey]

Yeah, he likes that step. I don't know. Back to the fentanyl.

[Carrie]

We.

[David Borey]

I'm trying to get disco fuel.

[Carrie]

Nah, I think we.

[Langston Kerman]

We are already in agreement that crackheads have use.

[David Borey]

Yeah, I mean, that's true.

[Carrie]

That's true.

[David Borey]

Maybe.

[Langston Kerman]

Maybe I'm just the crackhead of the black community.

[Carrie]

You said it. It.

[David Borey]

You're ugly, you're disgusting. I'm going to kill you. Give me $200.

[Langston Kerman]

That is my motto and I stand by it. I've never believed in any words more.

[David Borey]

Oh, man. I did. When you said that, I. I didn't have anything to get us out, so I was like, I got to dig deeper.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Do you feel like there's anything we can do about these Russian infiltrators or whatever version of infiltrators you see? What. What can the black. To repair what has happened?

[Carrie]

I'm so happy that you asked that because the shit already happened. The Russian bots. We can't control that.

[Langston Kerman]

This is an optimistic podcast. We don't ever want to.

[David Borey]

We always would rather it be good.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Carrie]

Oh, I love that. I think that we really need to stop engaging in these divisive ass debates. It gets us nowhere. And I really think that we need to focus on getting each other together as a group and, like, as black people and black men and black women and black people across the diaspora. Like, this whole. You weren't born. You weren't born in America. Like, we fighting over reparations that we're never gonna get. That sounds so crazy to be dividing ourself against actual black people. Whether you're Caribbean. Like, look at us. You're black American.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Carrie]

You're African, I'm Caribbean. This is all of us in the diaspora right now. We're a black people.

[David Borey]

Yeah. We did it.

[Carrie]

We did it. We solved it. And I.

[Langston Kerman]

Until Indian people start coming out, I

[Carrie]

mean, well, then that's a whole other thing. We won't even, you know, we can't save everybody. This is.

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Well, I think I'm looking forward to cracking.

[David Borey]

I hope I can, like, you know, totally crack up. So I haven't, like, totally cracked up in a long time. That's what you're doing.

[Carrie]

You're just cracking up. I will Say, though, because I want to come on here and tell you that I'm a representative of Big Kwanzaa.

[Langston Kerman]

That's right.

[David Borey]

We've talked about this. I did know that you have the Kwanzaa Crawl, right?

[Carrie]

I do. Guys, I was so happy that y' all talked about it just even a little bit, because. And so then this ties back to your question, like, what can black people do?

[David Borey]

Yeah, literally.

[Carrie]

So I think your clip was about. They said somebody young is gonna come across and take a fringe holiday.

[David Borey]

Yeah. Al Jackson said that.

[Carrie]

Yes. And then y' all were like, big Kwanzaa is gonna come and.

[Langston Kerman]

And you are Big Kwanzaa.

[Carrie]

I'm Big Kwanzaa. And Big Kwanzaa's in Brooklyn and it's happening.

[David Borey]

That's what I would have thought.

[Carrie]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Yeah, that's where I would have guessed.

[Langston Kerman]

I actually really like that it's in Brooklyn. I like the idea that it's. To me, when I think about Brooklyn, it still is a very, like, party oriented city. Like, y' all party for real. For real. And it's dirty and it's. It's nasty parties. It's fun. It's raw parties, as they were.

[David Borey]

Why do you have to get that off?

[Carrie]

Right?

[Langston Kerman]

You know where y' all be partying at? I live there long enough. Y' all niggas don't give up where to party at. New York doesn't have the capacity for you to be, like, weird about, like, nah, I'm not going to that dude's backyard.

[Carrie]

I mean, yeah, we do. We do pop up in places and have a good time. But honestly, Kwanzaa Crawl is not even just a party. Like, it's literally. We took the principles of Kwanzaa because it has been something that we made fun of. Like, even us, we didn't grow up celebrating Kwanzaa. We thought it was ridiculous. We were like, what is this? But then in, like, 2016, the same time the Russians was dividing us, we were like, how can we get black people together? And we looked into it and we're like, oh, these principles are dope, cooperative economics, supporting black people, collective work and responsibility. And so at the same time, where people were talking about gentrification, we're losing all of our businesses. So we were like, we need to support black owned businesses and have black people being proud of being black and bring the diaspora together. And we don't need white people. We don't need white people's dollars. How can we stimulate our local black economy? And so we bring in $500,000 every year for black owned businesses. And actually more people are celebrating Kwanzaa.

[Langston Kerman]

Legit.

[Carrie]

Yeah, legit. And so, like, if you.

[Langston Kerman]

I went to a Kwanzaa celebration this year out here. No, I went.

[Carrie]

Was it your first one?

[Langston Kerman]

It was. It was my first one. It was in D.C. ooh. We went to a Kwanzaa center.

[Carrie]

Was it youngish or like.

[Langston Kerman]

It was like, yeah, 28. Like me,

[David Borey]

girl. We're trying to get that over.

[Langston Kerman]

We've been trying to trick people into thinking we're 28. And so far it's been going.

[David Borey]

It's hard because we're actually 30.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, that was good. I was going to tell her it's going well if you would shut the up about it. Stop telling on us. God damn. No, but it was, it was really. It was cool. My kids were there. We got to like, experience that. And like, my daughter is a real, like, dork about, like, wanting to learn about all things celebratory. And so it was just exciting for her to be like, whoa, we could do this. I get to light that candle. That's. Yeah.

[David Borey]

I mean, yeah. Lighting candles. You don't hold any. You're not like a Christmas guy, right?

[Langston Kerman]

I don't is. I'm certainly not doing it in the Lord's honor.

[David Borey]

Yeah. That's how I feel about Christmas too.

[Carrie]

Same.

[David Borey]

I'm. I like sharing a day with my family and. But like, I don't need any of the Christ of it.

[Langston Kerman]

No. And I don't celebrate nobody's birthday like that.

[Carrie]

I only celebrate actual birthdays. I don't do Christmas. I don't do Christmas gifts. Like, I will buy you something for your birthday because that's your day. But this other day that y' all said I have to, I'm not participating. Not at all.

[David Borey]

I like a big ass Christmas.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I do like a big ass Christmas.

[David Borey]

I like a big, like, with the fan, like, when everybody's there. I really do.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, I don't get it often enough, but when it happens, I'm like, hell yeah.

[David Borey]

I like, I like, like, I'd rather. In a year, either Thanksgiving or Christmas, one of them's gotta be like, we're all there. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. It doesn't happen often.

[Langston Kerman]

It is.

[David Borey]

We hit one last year, though.

[Langston Kerman]

My wife's family is. They'll like make a point of all coming together. And I'm real grateful that they do that every year.

[David Borey]

That's what you gotta have.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. It's cool.

[Carrie]

Are the grandparents still around?

[Langston Kerman]

No. Which is Unfortunate. But they really,

[David Borey]

they.

[Langston Kerman]

They passed relatively recently. And so even before then, they made a point of everybody being there, and it was cool.

[Carrie]

It was all excited.

[David Borey]

Did they have like a. What do you call it, Like a homestead? Like a place, like a house that you guys all went to? Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Cause that's what people gotta have.

[David Borey]

I feel like that's the most important thing about homeownership.

[Carrie]

You have to have a place to gather.

[David Borey]

Yeah. Cause you think about us as a generation phasing out and not owning homes, and then it's like that all becomes so much more difficult. Difficult.

[Langston Kerman]

And I've listened and read, like, a lot of things where they're doing this nasty work now and telling people that home ownership isn't even that important, bro.

[David Borey]

They're trying to tell you that like family. They.

[Carrie]

Like the Russians.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

I feel like, low key.

[Langston Kerman]

The. The.

[David Borey]

The shit they're all trying to put out is that, like, family isn't that important. We don't need each other. It's like, I don't care if you have kids or don't have kids or whatever, but you have to understand that, like, everybody coming together is important. And it feels like, like society in general is kind of pushing this, like, rugged individualism.

[Carrie]

Like, no contact. That was happening on the holidays last year where everybody was like, it's okay to go. No contact with your family members.

[David Borey]

No, it's not. They. Yeah, they're annoying. I. Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

No, they. They.

[David Borey]

That's just what that is.

[Langston Kerman]

They are. They are tough. But you got to check in, cuz

[David Borey]

then otherwise you're untethered out here.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

You've been untethered outside it. Now you're in a.

[Carrie]

Just out here loose.

[David Borey]

Yo, man. That's how you end up in a basement. Some dude showing you his gun collection.

[Carrie]

He's got snakes.

[David Borey]

Like, it's like, that's how that happens.

[Langston Kerman]

You gotta pick one.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Snakes are guns.

[David Borey]

Yeah. You gotta hold one of them, or he's gonna feed one. He's gonna kill you with one of those things. You have to show no fear to one of them.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I. I don't want that. And that is why it is important to call your family. Call your family. We really believe in that here on the podcast, and we believe you need to be participating in Kwanzaa, and you need to be participating in the Kwanzaa Crawl. And if you are interested in the Kwanzaa Crawl, you reach out to Carrie and you go, wagwan.

[Carrie]

I'll take that.

[David Borey]

I will take that.

[Carrie]

I will take that.

[Langston Kerman]

Tell me everything I need to know to be a part of this. Is that okay?

[Carrie]

Yeah, that's good. Yep, yep, Yep.

[Langston Kerman]

Hell yep.

[Carrie]

I'll accept that. It usually happens. Just. This is our 10 year anniversary and so.

[David Borey]

Damn. For real.

[Carrie]

We've been doing a F10 years and now we're doing one in the summer to bring the people together as a checkpoint. So we're doing it in Brooklyn in June and we're doing it at the end of the year in December.

[Langston Kerman]

Let's go. That's beautiful. We're gonna take a break. We'll do one more break. More. Carrie What My Mama Told Me. Hey, everyone, it's Cal Penn. I'm the host of Irsay the Audible and I Heart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast, I am sitting down with Ray Porter, the narrator of Andy Weir's audiobook project, Hail Mary, massive sci fi adventure about survival and science and what happens when you wake up alone, very far from Earth.

[David Borey]

I really had to make a decision

[Langston Kerman]

because I caught myself getting that frog

[David Borey]

in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections. And it's like, okay, yo, yo, yo. Is this indulgent? And I really thought about it. I was like, no.

[Langston Kerman]

At this point, it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and

[David Borey]

the listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that. That deeply, emotionally affected me. And I left it on the mic.

[Langston Kerman]

That's great because it served the story. People will say like, oh my God,

[David Borey]

I cried at the end. It's like, yeah, dude, me too.

[Langston Kerman]

Listen to Earth Hearsay, the Audible and iHeart audiobook club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Carrie]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[Carrie]

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[Langston Kerman]

See full [e-mail] Amazon Health AI presents painful thoughts I. I can't stop scratching my downtown. Mm, yeah, but I'm not itching to go downtown and tell a receptionist I'm here to talk about my downtown. Some things you'd rather type than say out loud.

[David Borey]

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[Langston Kerman]

We're not gonna let Joe Biden and

[David Borey]

Kamala Harris cut America's meat. That's dead on that. That's dead on that. And we got a voicemail.

[Langston Kerman]

We got a voicemail.

[David Borey]

I'm excited.

[Langston Kerman]

Let's play it. Yeah, it's gonna be good.

[David Borey]

Yo, I just want to say shout out to David for opening up about his. His struggles with FAT session. But I do think there's a conspiracy here that we just glossed over because first of all, I had to look up what a short set was because I'm a fashion challenge bro. Do people not know about short sets like I thought they did?

[Carrie]

What's the shortest?

[Langston Kerman]

You don't know what a short set is?

[Carrie]

Is it just like matching?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah, matching top and bottom.

[David Borey]

A lot of people thought I was talking about, like, a basketball uniform.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, weird.

[David Borey]

Yeah, I thought it was known what, a short set?

[Langston Kerman]

No, I thought a short set was pretty standard as well.

[David Borey]

But maybe you're fashionable, though.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, but short sets to me aren't even like. To me, they live in like, old nigga fashion more than they live in,

[David Borey]

like, I want to live.

[Langston Kerman]

I know.

[David Borey]

That's what I'm trying to get.

[Carrie]

You're never gonna believe you're 28.

[David Borey]

I know it.

[Langston Kerman]

He's holding me back.

[David Borey]

I think I can get away with it. Okay. If this old washed ass nigga wasn't.

[Langston Kerman]

Wasn't sitting here, I think I could

[David Borey]

get away with this. I don't think you got 28, bro. I think you're good. I think you could. I think smooth 30, I think. I think it's got to start with the three, though.

[Langston Kerman]

I respect that.

[David Borey]

And that's where we're going to crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

Maybe we gotta chill a little bit.

[David Borey]

We gotta, like, wait till we get over 40.

[Langston Kerman]

Damn, y'. All. We just checked our birth certificates. We 31.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Carrie]

Yeah. Although the new young kids look very old.

[Langston Kerman]

They look.

[Carrie]

I think it's because they grew up, like, staring at the blue light or something. But so y' all could be the new 28 year old.

[David Borey]

They got wrinkles.

[Carrie]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. They lived hard cigarette lives, but they ain't get them cigarettes.

[Carrie]

It's the vape.

[David Borey]

And they're not having sex. That's.

[Carrie]

That's crazy.

[David Borey]

It's really. Why else would you want to be a teen?

[Langston Kerman]

I think that's why they look like

[David Borey]

that, because they're not having sex.

[Langston Kerman]

I think pussy keeps you young. Young, I think is that is as close.

[David Borey]

Some of it'll age you.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, that's true.

[David Borey]

Some of it, I think, is taking some years off the top.

[Langston Kerman]

That's why you gotta pluck it when it's ripe.

[David Borey]

All right. I think we should probably.

[Carrie]

Yep.

[Langston Kerman]

And I don't mean youthful. I just mean when it's. That it's fresh. Is. Is. Is more the. The suggestion. I'm not a pedophile and I never will be. That's my promise to you. Anyway, let's play the rest of this voicemail.

[David Borey]

But I was like, isn't this just a romper with a little separation? And isn't a romper just a dress? So by wearing a short set. Short set. I'm not drunk. Are you wearing a dress?

[Langston Kerman]

Do you dress?

[David Borey]

You know the dress. I'm curious to hear your thoughts. Fellas, we already talked about this thing. I don't care. I don't care about that.

[Langston Kerman]

The idea of wearing a dress is somehow emasculating you and turning you.

[David Borey]

And you made too many jumps. You were like, it's a romper. A romper's not a dress either. It's just a romper.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

So I'm looking like he's in the camera.

[Langston Kerman]

No, he needs to hear this talk.

[David Borey]

I realized I was doing.

[Carrie]

Don't you understand?

[Langston Kerman]

Do that he upset you. I think, I think this. This triggered something for you a little bit.

[David Borey]

I was already so vulnerable in the short set. I can't do anything else. You.

[Langston Kerman]

He saw you try something he knows you were afraid of. Yeah, he knows you gotta be scared.

[David Borey]

Gotta be scared out here.

[Langston Kerman]

You felt a little fear, and then he went, I'm going to make you feel a fear that you didn't even consider here.

[David Borey]

Yeah. Yeah. But also, I don't think he. Short set is. Come on, man. That's day one. Those are old.

[Langston Kerman]

You see a man in a short set. How you feel? How do you feel?

[David Borey]

Salmon.

[Carrie]

Yeah. Literally, I pictured a salmon one that I saw a friend in, and I was like, no, his pieces were hitting.

[David Borey]

Okay. I had a salmon one and a navy blue one.

[Carrie]

Yeah, I like.

[Langston Kerman]

That was a nice texture.

[David Borey]

It was a good text.

[Langston Kerman]

It wasn't some coarse canvas.

[David Borey]

You want to talk about old man texture? Yeah. That navy blue shorts that I had,

[Langston Kerman]

it was a silkiness to that.

[Carrie]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Borey]

But also like, like cords running. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[Langston Kerman]

It had. It looked wet.

[David Borey]

That's not right. That's not fair. It didn't look wet. It didn't look wet in a good way. There was a sheen. There was no. There was a sheen, but it wasn't a wet sheen in a good way. I'm saying it. You shine. I don't know.

[Carrie]

You look like a mermaid to me. You look like a mermaid.

[David Borey]

Wet.

[Carrie]

And now I'm confused. Yeah. The dress on.

[Langston Kerman]

And he look gorgeous.

[Carrie]

How shorts are the short.

[David Borey]

Oh. Like slightly above knee.

[Carrie]

Okay.

[David Borey]

I don't go, like, crazy short or. I try not to.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm serious.

[David Borey]

I try not to go crazy short or long on shorts, because I think both of those look nuts.

[Carrie]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

No, I, I, I think this person already admitted that he's sort of fashionably challenged.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

And. And I think, unfortunately, sir, you're making a few lines leaps that probably reflect your insecurities about putting on certain clothes that make you uncomfortable. But unfortunately, I don't think people are looking at dudes in short sets and being like, he's in a dress that

[Carrie]

may never thought that.

[David Borey]

If anything, I'm just like, he's getting money.

[Langston Kerman]

Yep.

[David Borey]

If I see a short set at the airport, I'm like, all right, somebody's on the way to a beach.

[Langston Kerman]

I was like, oh, that brother's a deacon.

[Carrie]

Yeah. Yeah.

[David Borey]

I don't. I didn't like that.

[Carrie]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

I mean, I don't think that. I get, I get. I Guess where you're coming from. But I think rompers are so much different than dresses, too.

[Carrie]

And do men wear rompers?

[David Borey]

I think there was a weird white guy epidemic of them doing it for a little bit. White guys got on it pretty heavy.

[Langston Kerman]

I do think white guys were sort of.

[David Borey]

I feel like they had, like, a romper summer type of. Really? Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I think there's occasionally a dude who will pull up in one, but I don't know a lot of black dudes.

[Carrie]

Like, so a woman romper, I don't even know. But, like, you have to. This guy, like, you unbutton it and then you take it off to use the bathroom Romper.

[Langston Kerman]

That's been my experience.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Carrie]

That's what I've understood about a man should not wear that.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, no, I don't think so. Now I will say in our defense,

[David Borey]

it feels like it's for a little boy.

[Langston Kerman]

You can let it hang like overalls.

[David Borey]

No, not if it's shorts. Look, man, that's crazy.

[Carrie]

Yeah. No, you can't do that.

[David Borey]

That's the player. Yeah, that's, like, kind of worse.

[Carrie]

Yeah, that.

[David Borey]

You letting the romper top fall. Don't worry, dog.

[Langston Kerman]

I got a romper on.

[David Borey]

Yeah, that's nuts.

[Carrie]

That's crazy.

[David Borey]

It's like a denim baby fat romper.

[Langston Kerman]

Well, if you make it baby fat, it's bad.

[David Borey]

Make it fat farm. Make it a fat farm. Is there vintage? Can you get. I got this vintage shirt, dude. $15. I'm trying to find. I'm trying to go back and get all the shit. I'm coming back for everything.

[Langston Kerman]

This nigga about to be in nowhere. I'm gonna have nowhere.

[David Borey]

I'm gonna have a Mecca sweatsuit next week.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, this? This. That new Carl Kanai.

[David Borey]

I just wanted.

[Langston Kerman]

Karl Kanai went crazy.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Kong Kanai really had a moment in Brooklyn. Yeah.

[David Borey]

Carl Kanai was so nice. It was like I couldn't even approach the idea of it as a boy. No, you know what I mean?

[Langston Kerman]

It was a man.

[David Borey]

It was a man that was for grown men.

[Carrie]

We had them as little girls.

[David Borey]

You're from Brooklyn.

[Carrie]

Oh, that's true.

[Langston Kerman]

For the rest of the world. It was like a businessman. Yeah, but he was like a cool businessman.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

And you didn't want to know what business he was in.

[Carrie]

You didn't. That's true.

[David Borey]

Yeah. Carl Kanine. Not for little boys. When I was little.

[Langston Kerman]

No, no, it probably wasn't for little boys.

[David Borey]

Echo was for little boys, and that

[Langston Kerman]

was the one I picked.

[David Borey]

Echo. Echo was yeah, Echo was.

[Langston Kerman]

I really dug into some Echo and I do have some regrets about that.

[David Borey]

You didn't know what was gonna happen. You didn't know about the Marshallification of that brand.

[Langston Kerman]

I didn't know it was gonna be that way.

[David Borey]

Yeah, you didn't know that was it.

[Langston Kerman]

I thought we were all. I thought niggas will love rhinos forever.

[David Borey]

I had a South Pole jacket, see?

[Carrie]

Oh, yeah.

[David Borey]

See?

[Langston Kerman]

School of hard knocks outfits, man.

[David Borey]

You know what I mean?

[Carrie]

Taking me back. Cause we started with lugs. I'm not mad at it.

[Langston Kerman]

And in that way, I think ultimately that is what this caller needs to hear, is that there are so many different choices you can make. But free yourself from the fears of putting on a dress.

[David Borey]

Because, brother, you should get a short set.

[Langston Kerman]

Get a short set.

[David Borey]

Get you a short set. Do it on Amazon. They have some.

[Langston Kerman]

Do it.

[Carrie]

Wear whatever makes you feel comfortable and let him wear whatever makes him feel comfortable. And if it's a dress, so be it.

[Langston Kerman]

Step up, period.

[David Borey]

Remember when Busta Rhymes had that.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, he don't like talking about it, but yeah.

[Carrie]

I don't know. Was it in the Wooha?

[David Borey]

It was like post that, but it was pre 2000s.

[Carrie]

But was it the Asian inspired one that was kind of long with the arms out?

[David Borey]

He had his arms out. It was like red. Like Busta Rhymes in a dress.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, he's had a more recent one too.

[Carrie]

Really?

[David Borey]

Oh, really?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, he started doing it again.

[Carrie]

Brooklyn takes It.

[Langston Kerman]

Busta Rhymes, really, I think was at his peak when he was being a silly billy with his clothes.

[David Borey]

Man, I really like that.

[Carrie]

It's so fun with those music videos. I feel like him.

[David Borey]

And give me some more video and

[Carrie]

put your hands where my eyes can see. Him and Missy Elliott were like, so fun.

[David Borey]

When did he hop off on being so creative?

[Carrie]

Cause it felt like it's when he started going to the gym. Remember, he got like, buff and swole

[Langston Kerman]

and the gym, I'm just.

[Carrie]

You don't think he works out.

[David Borey]

Make it big.

[Carrie]

Let me see.

[David Borey]

Yes.

[Carrie]

Yeah, but this isn't a dress. That's like an Asian. We were just talking about how Asian. Asian fashion. Had a moment.

[Langston Kerman]

Now, this is the more recent one where he is, in fact, in some version of a actual dress.

[Carrie]

That's a gown.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, that's right. It's a leather gown. Yeah, he's wearing a leather gown. And he does have that weird buff body that we were all concerned about. We all saw and went, well, this bumps us out, right?

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

He had one year when he was buff where we were like, God damn, Busta Rhymes. He big and buff. And then it went downhill fast.

[David Borey]

I think it's hard to maintain.

[Langston Kerman]

I think so, too.

[David Borey]

I think it's hard to maintain. You get that bit. It's like a tough. And he's older, man. How old is Busta Rhymes now? You gotta be close to 60.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm gonna say 108.

[David Borey]

There has always been a Busta Rhymes.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm gonna say.

[David Borey]

I mean, what's this? The saying is a tale as old as time, a song as old as rhymes. Yeah, Busta Rhymes.

[Langston Kerman]

Busta Rhymes. Beauty and the Beast. Yeah, Busta Rhymes. Beauty and the Beast.

[David Borey]

I would watch that. Busta Rhymes. Beauty and the Beast.

[Langston Kerman]

It's a way better movie if. When they're, like, falling in love, throwing snowballs at each other.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

He just busts out the corner.

[David Borey]

Man, I love that song so much. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

No, this is great, Carrie.

[Carrie]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I think we did it.

[David Borey]

Often ends strange, too. We don't.

[Langston Kerman]

We don't got nothing else to talk about this.

[David Borey]

We did it.

[Langston Kerman]

We accomplished all of our goals as a community. We taught them about Kwanzaa. We agreed that the Russian bots, even if they are not Russian, are a problem. And that until we come together as a community, minus the arguments that are birthed online a la how many licks does it take to get to the center of the Tootsie Pop? We are never going to be free. And. And you saved us. Thank you so much for your contributions.

[Carrie]

Thank you for having me here to solve our problems.

[David Borey]

Yeah, we really did.

[Carrie]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

And we're not going 50. 50.

[Langston Kerman]

We're not going 50. 50. I'll take the whole hundo. And I will choose to not contact you every.

[David Borey]

And the tip is my business.

[Langston Kerman]

The tip reflects your behavior. I'm being mean to this man. Cause of you. Kerry, could you tell the people where they could find you? What cool shit you got going on?

[Carrie]

Sure. You can find me on all platforms at Over Fab. For some reason, it's not my real name. Over O V E R F A V. And they can find me. Oh, at Netflix. It's a joke festival.

[Langston Kerman]

On May 6, I'm doing my one

[Carrie]

woman show, produced by Lena Waits. So I'm excited. Excited about that. And then in Brooklyn, I'm gonna be at Quasi Girl.

[David Borey]

There we go.

[Langston Kerman]

Tell them the name of the. The show so they know.

[Carrie]

Mud Hole.

[David Borey]

Yeah. Let them know.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Carrie]

You want me.

[David Borey]

Yeah, I like to talk to them straight sometimes.

[Carrie]

Oh, I didn't know if they who's this then?

[David Borey]

That's. That's you.

[Carrie]

Oh, but who's that?

[David Borey]

That's me.

[Carrie]

Okay.

[David Borey]

I'm saying them is like the audience people.

[Carrie]

Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

Tell them to come look at you.

[David Borey]

But I don't watch it back. So I don't even know if they can tell.

[Langston Kerman]

I'll show you how to do it. You say, hey, you stupid. Hey, come see me.

[Carrie]

You go, okay. And I do it to my camera.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, do it to your camera.

[Carrie]

Okay, okay. Cause that's what you fucked me up. You said, let em know. And I'm like, yeah, I'm sorry.

[David Borey]

I'm sorry.

[Carrie]

Okay. Yeah, come down.

[Langston Kerman]

No, say what I said, go ahead.

[Carrie]

Hey, bitch and niggas too.

[Langston Kerman]

We think bitch applies to everybody, man.

[Carrie]

Me too. I think that bitch and nigga are gender neutral.

[David Borey]

Yeah. People kind of don't like it sometimes and that I don't care as much as I should. And that's on me. That is on me.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. No, it's our fault. But yeah, Living your life well.

[Carrie]

Bitches and niggas and everybody that's out there and everybody that's in between. However you choose to identify, please come out to my one woman show. It's called Mud Hole. It's a part of the Netflix is a joke festival on May 6th at the UCP Theater.

[David Borey]

Franklin, let's go.

[Langston Kerman]

What you got?

[David Borey]

Cool guy jokes 87 on Instagram. My Netflix is a jokes schedule will be up on my Instagram. I don't really know it right now. Watch my don't tell. That just came out. It's my birthday. I'm 29.

[Carrie]

Happy birthday.

[David Borey]

Me and Lance are gonna go to the beach.

[Langston Kerman]

We're gonna go to the beach together. And you can see me at Langston Kerman on all social media platforms. You can like, you can subscribe, you can rate, you can review this podcast. You. Most important importantly, and this is huge, you can join our Patreon. We are doing some fun shit over there. Smut watches, answering your questions, engaging with you in ways that you wouldn't anticipate from even this programming alone.

[David Borey]

Yeah, we've really gotten deep on them.

[Langston Kerman]

We're doing some fun stuff and we would love for you to join us over there. And most importantly, you can send us your own drops, your own conspiracy theories. You can tell us what other kinds of crawls Carrie can start working [e-mail] and give us a @844 Little Moms. We would love to hear from you. Leave them voicemails. And most importantly, bye.

[Carrie]

Look at this dancing again.

[Langston Kerman]

What a good song.

[David Borey]

This would have made me stop. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

My Mama Told Me is a production of Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network

[David Borey]

and iHeart podcast, created and hosted by

[Langston Kerman]

Langston Kearney, co hosted by David Borey,

[David Borey]

executive produced by Will Ferrell Hansani and Joel Monique edited and engineered by Justin

[Langston Kerman]

Comedy music by Nick Chambers artwork by Dogon Krieger. You can now watch episodes of My Mama told me on YouTube, follow at my Mama, Mama Told Me and subscribe to our channel.

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[Carrie]

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