Simon Says Shut the F*ck Up: Motherf*kin Mini Episode (RE-RELEASE)

Summary

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My Momma Told Me – "Simon Says Shut the Fck Up: Motherfkin Mini Episode (RE-RELEASE)"

Hosts: Langston Kerman & David Gborie
Date: September 18, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this lively mini episode, hosts Langston Kerman and David Gborie take a break from their usual deep dives into Black conspiracy theories for a sprawling, playful discussion blending personal revelations, Black game night traditions, and an audience-submitted cultural conspiracy about Beyoncé’s “mute challenge” and white people's relationship to following directions. The episode also digresses into an impassioned and comedic debate about Eminem's legacy, white participation in hip-hop, and generational changes in rap. Throughout, the duo riff with candid humor and infectious camaraderie, uncovering layered observations around race, culture, and group dynamics.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Erotic Underbelly of Social Gatherings and Church (02:34 – 04:33)

• Church and Sex:
  The hosts joke about the “nasty” subtext at church, with Langston claiming, “There is a nasty quality about church that sort of goes unrecognized.” (03:32)
• Social Dynamics:
  They share surprise at discovering how sexually active some seemingly staid social circles can be, comparing “game night” and adult parties, and reflecting on the innocent awkwardness of not being in the loop.

2. Sexy Scrabble & Black Game Night Traditions (04:34 – 11:00)

• Fantasy Scrabble:
  Langston confesses a fantasy about erotic Scrabble nights, which spirals into jokes about turning Scrabble into a sensual game (“I scored nut on a triple word score. Oops.” – David, 05:16).
• Monopoly, Black Rules:
  They reminisce about "Blackifying" Monopoly in college – e.g., the person losing wears the “bum hat,” and the richest wears “stunna shades.” Langston: “You had to change outfits...and you could get smacked in the face.” (09:11)
• Game Night Playlists:
  Settlers of Catan, Power Grid, and especially Disney’s Villainous are cited as favorites. Langston reveals his deep investment: “I have literally every expansion pack of the game.” (14:37)

3. Black Game Night: Who’s Down for What? (11:00 – 16:25)

• Game Night Circles:
  The hosts note how challenging it is to get friends to play cerebral or unfamiliar games, with Scrabble a particularly hard sell (“Scrabble’s a tough one to get started. Monopoly’s the tough one to get started.” – Langston, 08:19).
• Nerdy Confessions:
  Langston’s passion for Villainous (and his embarrassment about it) highlights the value of niche hobbies in adulthood and marriage.

4. Audience Conspiracy: Is Beyoncé’s "Mute Challenge" a Litmus for Racial Obedience? (19:31 – 21:50, 34:46 – 37:15)

• Listener Email (Clayvon):
  The hosts read an email positing that “predominantly white cities fail the [Beyoncé mute] challenge because white people aren’t used to following directions.”
• Interpretation and Complication:
  Langston and David untangle the premise:
  • Is this claim just a surface-level observation and does it dangerously imply Black subservience?
  • Langston: “You introduced some pretty complicated interpretations inside of this thing.” (21:50)
• The Sociocultural Layer:
  Langston concludes:
  “This country was built by a bunch of dudes agreeing not to follow directions...Black people, unfortunately, have been forced into a life where we are at least constantly aware of the rules we are choosing to break.” (35:02)
  • White people may not see Beyoncé as an authority figure worth obeying.
  • Both hosts note the challenges of group obedience in public spaces and concerts.

5. White Participation in Hip-Hop: Eminem, Lil Dicky, and Cultural Anchors (23:34 – 33:15)

• Eminem’s Legacy:
  • David: “I think the technical skill of rapping…he is good...but the content is not great.” (24:01)
  • Both agree his “edgelord” provocateur role was novel in the 1990s but feels less so now.
  • Langston clarifies: “It’s corny to me that a bunch of people are pretending like Eminem just couldn’t rap at all.” (31:04)
• Top Three Eminem Songs:
  • Langston touts “The Way I Am” and “Stan” for their impact. (27:43–28:24)
• Lil Dicky vs. Eminem:
  • David argues Lil Dicky lacks the cultural rootedness Eminem had.
  • Langston notes generational changes: “Hip hop has become pop culture in a way that it was not when Eminem first started…a lil dicky can step away and still...identify with popular music.” (32:29)

6. Light-hearted Resolutions & Self-Awareness (37:15 – 37:56)

• Personal Experiences:
  Langston fesses up to not participating in Beyoncé’s “mute challenge,” missing the moment amidst concert distractions.
• Cultural Reflection:
  The hosts acknowledge the abiding tension between group rules, authority, and self-expression, especially across racial lines.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Erotic Board Games:
  “I get to invite the most beautiful women I know and we all play Scrabble together and it’s wet and the words are erotic and shit.” — Langston (04:34)

• On Blackifying Monopoly:
  “The person who was losing had to wear a quote unquote bum hat...anytime you spoke out of turn, somebody richer could smack you in the face.” — Langston (09:11)

• On White Disregard for Directions:
  “This country was built by a bunch of dudes agreeing not to follow directions...It's hard for them to not see themselves as people sort of championing that at all times.” — Langston (35:02)

• On Eminem’s Provocateur Phase:
  “In 1998, bro, I was gripping my seat, like, this is insane.” — Langston (29:15)

• On Selling Out:
  “To all you guys listening, that's all we’re trying to do. Wait till we figure out how to make a million dollars off of this. I'm selling the fuck out.” — David (34:01)

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Key Timestamps

• 02:34–04:33 – Opening riffs about church, sex, and social awkwardness
• 04:34–09:40 – Fantasies and realities of sexy Scrabble; Black Monopoly traditions
• 09:40–16:25 – Deep dive into board games, niche hobbies, and friendships
• 19:31–21:50 – Reading and unpacking the email about racial obedience and the Beyonce mute challenge
• 23:34–33:36 – Spiraling Eminem/lil dicky/hip-hop culture tangent
• 34:46–37:15 – Final synthesis on the sociocultural implications of the Beyoncé theory and group behavior
• 37:15–37:56 – Admitting to missing the mute challenge themselves at the Renaissance tour
• Throughout – Spontaneous bits and asides reinforcing the show’s easy, playful rapport

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Tone & Style

• Playful, self-deprecating, and quick-witted; candid about personal quirks and culture
• Equal parts social critique and good-natured clowning

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Summary for New Listeners

Even if you haven’t heard this episode, expect a freewheeling, honest, and thoughtful conversation that weaves together Black cultural commentary, the sociology of group obedience, intergenerational hip-hop debate, and hilarious stories about board game struggles. Langston and David’s warmth, vulnerability, and on-the-fly humor make for an episode that both entertains and provokes reflection on how we—Black, white, or otherwise—play by the rules (or don’t), on stage, at home, and in society at large.

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Transcript

[Langston Kerman]

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[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Mini episode mini episode Mini Episode.

[Langston Kerman]

Doo doo Brown Doo doo Brown. Greetings to little mamas and gentiles alike. There it is. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me the.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Podcast, where we dive deep into the pockets of black conspiracy theories and we.

[Langston Kerman]

Finally work to prove the theories that you motherfuckers have at home is the motherfucking Mini Emperor.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah, I like that. I like whatever that is. Wherever you went, there go there more.

[Langston Kerman]

That was good, just living at that church.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah, huh. But like, kind of nasty church.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, nasty church. And if they would have offered that to me, I might have stayed a little more religious for longer. You.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

I think the thing is, it's all nasty church. It's just coded language. You didn't know. You didn't know because people have sex at church.

[Langston Kerman]

They do. They do have sex at church. They talk about sex a fair amount at church. They're desperate for you to find a person to have sex with permanently. There is a nasty quality about church that sort of goes unrecognized.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

I've always wished that I could tap into it too, you know? You ever been in a social situation where you're like, damn, I didn't even know all these people were fucking? That's how it feels like at church.

[Langston Kerman]

I have a homie who revealed to me he's a very cool person who be having cool laughs events and shit. And he revealed to me that him and his lady be fucking incorporating others in the fucking and shit. And I was like, oh, that makes a lot more sense. Cause sometimes I find myself feeling like a loser. Cause all the frank that I can call are, like, other dweebs and men my age and shit. And now. You know what I mean? It's like game night isn't sexy anymore. It's just, like, people I care about.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

And it's not what's sexy.

[Langston Kerman]

Before game night, I think in my mind it could have been. It could have been like a horny experience where I get to invite. I get to invite the most beautiful women I know. And we all play Scrabble together and it's wet and the words are erotic and shit. You know what I mean? Like, it could have been a sexy time.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

I don't know what you mean. I know what you mean. I mean in that this is the most. This is the most Langston fantasy I've ever heard. You invite a bunch of, I assume, dimes over bad matches, bro. Play Scrabble.

[Langston Kerman]

Super Scrabble. Let's make that game long.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

I scored nut on a triple word score. Oops.

[Langston Kerman]

Did I get a little nut on you?

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Hey, we all got our things. We all got our things.

[Langston Kerman]

Come on, man. We all have our fantasies. And that wouldn't. I think my point is to say, you realize how many people are sort of like, living in an erotic version of a life that you are not.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Necessarily accessing 100% it's like, it sucks, too. Cause you're like, damn, how did I. Like, have you ever been to a comedy festival? And you're like. Everybody's like, what?

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, y' all all just fucked each other.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah, I thought we were.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I thought we were coworkers.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah. I was singing Flo Rida at karaoke. I didn't know people were sending vibes.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, yeah.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

But then you leave the festival and you're like, thank God I didn't do that.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Oh, my God. For real.

[Langston Kerman]

That would have been a nightmare.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

It would have been the worst thing that could have happened.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Now I gotta, like, help you when you come to the city and figure out, like, places you can go up.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

No, I'm good. Oh, God. Oh, God. We gotta pretend like we actually know each other.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. No, I'm good. I don't want that nightmare. Let's just stay comrades in this shit.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah, but if you don't. If you don't do comedy, you can come over for Scrabble any day.

[Langston Kerman]

Somebody play Scrabble with my boy. I gotta. I just wanna see it happen. You know what I mean?

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

I got the good one, too. That's on. I got the one. It's like, on the lazy Susan.

[Langston Kerman]

Ooh.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Like a pivot. Cause I love Scrabble. I'm a big.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, you can spin your shit.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's funny that you brought it up and I proceeded to chastise you.

[Langston Kerman]

I was about to say, you really shamed me hard. As if you weren't sitting there with the Ultron of Scrabbles.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah. I think, you know what hurts about it is, like, sometimes people come over and I try to get Scrabble. Not even sexy Scrabble going, just like. I just try to get Scrabble going, and I've been shot down a lot of times.

[Langston Kerman]

It's the. I would say, of the board games, it is the hardest game to. To start.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

You know what I mean?

[Langston Kerman]

Like, in a group, to be like, y', all, we should play Scrabble. Everybody's immediate instinct is, fuck, no, I don't want to play Scrabble. But they're wrong.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

It's so fun.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. It's the best game if you just let it happen, man.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

I'm glad that we bonded on this. Cause, yeah, I brought it up. Like, oh, so you guys want to. And everybody. People laugh at me like I'm crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. It's like, first of all, I don't even feel low.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah. You came to my house. Don't.

[Langston Kerman]

They'll make you feel real low, like you just. Like you just shit yourself. And it's like, guys, I didn't. I didn't do anything wrong here.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

No, I wanted us to have a fun time. Excuse me. Excuse. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Is the football game not over? Are we not just sitting around talking about bullshit?

[Langston Kerman]

Anyways, Scrabble's a tough one to get started. Monopoly's the tough one to get started. And it's the best. It's such a fun fucking game if you just let it be.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

It's so long, though, is the only thing. Also, how black is the Monopoly that you play?

[Langston Kerman]

We. We in college instated sort of like a separate set of rules that I think advanced the Monopoly into a blacker space. So, like, for example, the person who. And this is probably problematic at this point, but I don't know, nigga, we had fun. But the person who was losing had to wear a quote unquote bum hat, which meant that you had to, like, put your hat on, but tilt it as far to the side as possible so that it was hanging off.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Oh, I like that.

[Langston Kerman]

And anytime you, like, spoke out of turn or were doing something wrong, somebody richer could smack you in the face. And whoever had the most money could put on stunning shades at the time. So you had to keep an active account of your money and your earnings because you had to change outfits at various points and you could get smacked in the face.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Man, that is great. It's like you were in a different world.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Nah, we were having a good time, man.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah, that sounds. That's a good way to do it. Cause you gotta, like. Yeah, you gotta. You gotta flex. That's one of the best parts about Monopoly. Yeah, and stealing.

[Langston Kerman]

Sometimes my boy, he was like, I go to church every weak ass nigga in college, previous to college. But I think part of it, you know, that culture carries through. So he wasn't going every week, but he sort of, like, still kept all of his church clothes and like, things that sort of like, identified with this part of his former life. That said he had, like these big ass suit jackets in the house. So we would sometimes put those on along with the stunning shades when you were winning. So you look like a cool Rick Ross type businessman, you know what I mean?

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah, that's a good time.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, we were having a blast.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

You're glowing. Just at the memories and nobody will.

[Langston Kerman]

Let me do it anymore. And that's a tragedy, I'd say.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah, that's too Bad your wife. And your wife doesn't ever. I mean, you can't play two person. It's like two person.

[Langston Kerman]

That's the problem. You don't want to play two person Monopoly. And we do sometimes have friends over who come for, like, game nights and shit, but we play different sort of, like, games, and it would be hard to sort of, I think, introduce Monopoly, given the more complex games we're already.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

What are you playing, like, Power Grid or, like, Settlers of Catan and shit?

[Langston Kerman]

We play Settlers sometimes we play. Honestly, the game we play the most is this game called Villainous, which, Which it's gonna sound bad when I tell you.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

I bet it is.

[Langston Kerman]

You're gonna, you're gonna judge me hard for it, but I really love Villainous. And if there are any little mamas out there that also love Villainous, go ahead, give it a shout out. But it's based on the villains of Disney characters.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Oh, no.

[Langston Kerman]

And you, you. It's pretty complex.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Oh, is.

[Langston Kerman]

Is because you have to. Each person has their own individual board and, like, their own individual, like, objective to, like, winning the game. And so you have to not only be, like, working on your own shit, but you also have to be tracking what someone else is doing to make sure that they're not about to win the game and take everything from you.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Someone get this jigaboo away from me. No, it sounds very interesting.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. You clearly don't respect Villainous, and that's okay. That's why we only play it with two pretty specific dudes.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Listen, man, I'm just as far as board games. I'm all for. I like the classics.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. We have game nights at the house where we invite all the homies, and it's a big fun playing, you know, it's. We're playing fucking Taboo, and, like, oh.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Taboo is my shit.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. We play the ones that everybody is, like, okay with you saying out loud. And then there's, like, two dudes that we call and we, like, y' all niggas trying to play Villainous?

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

You got, like, the game night reserve, Like.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Y' all trying to spend three hours pretending to be Jafar.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Oh, man, that is beautiful, though. I, I, I'm gonna check it out, but I don't think that anybody that I have to. My house is going. They're not even going for Scrabble. Like I said, it's a whole issue.

[Langston Kerman]

Nah. Yeah. If you, if you can't get them to play a game they already understand, then they're gonna have a real tough Time with this game that requires a fair amount of, like, explanation and reading before you can even, like, start the. You know what I mean?

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

It feels like you would be open to, like, a Dungeons and Dragons type of situation.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't play over there and.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Oh, that's your line.

[Langston Kerman]

Here's where I draw the line. Here's where I draw the line.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

All right.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't want to do improv with the fucking. You know what I mean? Like, I don't want to pretend to be in this world where I got to, like, zip, zap, zap next to a motherfucker. If the game allows me to be an elf with however many hit points, and I just get to move around a board or, like, be active strategizing, I'm down. Yeah, I'll fuck around with any game, but if I gotta sit there and go, oh, Lord, how will we overcome the great dragon of thirst and word, it's like, no, I'll. Nuh. Nope. Push me down. Give me a swirly. Cause now I've embarrassed myself in front of my family. I don't like this.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

All right. I mean, I'm looking at villainous Olivia, drop it in the chat. It does look very complicated.

[Langston Kerman]

It is very complicated.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah, it's like, there's a lot of stuff.

[Langston Kerman]

There's a lot going on with it.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Oh, no. In these pieces, who do you like to be? Like, Captain Hook?

[Langston Kerman]

Nah, Captain Hook's not that fun. Who do I like? Okay, this is going to get pretty embarrassing, too. I have literally every expansion pack of the game. Like, there is not a character that they've released that I do not own in my home. Even worse, the dudes that we play with, they have the Marvel version of this game, and they have expansion packs of their Marvel one, and so I got them all, baby. I'm a real ass ketchum over here. You know what I'm saying?

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Oh, man. Man, this is like a true hobby.

[Langston Kerman]

I wouldn't call it a hobby. I would say it's just some cool shit I do with some cool friends.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

You said you bought all the expansion packs. That's a hobby. Look.

[Langston Kerman]

You'Ll find this someday that keeping a marriage alive is a complicated game, and maybe a game more complicated than Villainous itself, you know? And sometimes you just have to invest hard in things that is going to keep you distracted for hours at a time.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

I feel like this could have creeped its way into your life with or without marriage, though.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay. I don't really have a rebuttal for that. I think I was just trying to scapegoat a little bit of the problem and you called my bluff and. Touche, bitch. I don't know. What do you want from me?

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah, we can get. We could get to the email. We don't even have to do all this. This is all. You gave this all on your own accord.

[Langston Kerman]

We don't know you. You really forced this out of me. And, and I'm. I'm pretty embarrassed and I think we're like 15 minutes into this episode without having even addressed a single conspiracy, so maybe let's just move on.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Okay? I just. You know what? I was really embarrassed about the ghost story last episode, so I'm glad that we went tit for tat. I got my lick back. All right.

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[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

We got this email from say what? Say his name. Clay.

[Langston Kerman]

His first name.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Clayvon.

[Langston Kerman]

Clayvon with his black ass.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah. That's no question on what kind of person this is.

[Langston Kerman]

Clayvon, you black motherfucker.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

If there is a Clayvon who is white, he is poor or like Dutch.

[Langston Kerman]

Come on, man, take them clogs off and talk to us regular.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah. All right. This is from Clayvon. We appreciate you, Clayvon. Greeting lanx. It says greeting, not greetings, but that's fine.

[Langston Kerman]

That's okay. Clayvon got a lot going on. Let Clayvon do his thing.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Our emails do tend to have crazy intros in general, right? Mm, I'd say so the sorrow Kingsters. Yeah. Or whatever they say.

[Langston Kerman]

The little mamas talk to us pretty crazy. I think part of it is that we're not kind to them and so they retaliate and then we get sensitive about how we go, how dare you speak to us this way? And I don't know that we deserve much better with the way that we talk to them.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

No, honestly. And it's a dynamic I'm willing to keep going, to be honest. I don't mind that.

[Langston Kerman]

I wouldn't sacrifice it even for a moment.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah, I really like it. All right. Greeting Langston and David, I bring to you a conspiracy theory today inspired by Beyonce's Renaissance World tour, specifically the mute Challenge. During her performance of Energy, she sings look around Everybody on mute and pauses with her music and asks for the stadium to stay silent for five seconds. To win the challenge, you must be quietest in the stadium. In those five seconds, some people are saying the reason that some cities, specifically predominantly white cities, fail the challenge is that white people are not used to following directions. Wow. Yeah, he says, me personally, I don't subscribe to this as it implies black people are naturally more subservient. At the end of the day, it's a trend. And some people are not chronically online Compared to others. Would love to hear both of your thoughts on this. Love the podcast and the new set. Kind regards, Clayvon.

[Langston Kerman]

Well, Clayvon, you. You introduced some pretty complicated interpretations inside of this thing. He is both acknowledging the possibility that white people are incapable of following directions, which obviously is interesting. That piqued my interest, certainly. But then the flip of that being that if black people are too good at following directions, we are sort of, like, regressing back to our slavish nature or some shit, and that's also complicated. So. Damn.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah. I want to tread lightly.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay. Take your time, counselor. You're not. There's no clock.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

I mean, there is. It's running. I see it.

[Langston Kerman]

We're at night sky now. These episodes are mini, not forever, not maxi.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

So I think that a lot of times maybe white folks aren't super, like, present. They're not in the moment as much. So that leads to maybe them not even, like, they're just, like. They don't even realize that the five second challenge is, like, upon them.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

You know what I mean? It's like with the dancing thing, where it's like they're just moving around. They can't even, because they're not paying attention, to commit to the structure of rhythm.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. It's more about the. The joy and the energy of the experience and less about any of the sort of, like, technical rules inside of the thing.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Right. It's why they're not good at rapping.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Let me ask you this while I'm gonna make a slight step to the. A tangent, if you will. Are you one of those people that is like, eminem is bad. Are you an Eminem is bad guy.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

By the way you phrased it? I feel like you're an Eminem is good guy.

[Langston Kerman]

First of all, I think. I think I'll let you answer, and then I'll tell you what I think.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

So this is funny. This just came up with somebody else yesterday. This is so weird. I think the technical skill of rapping, like, rhyming words. I think he is good. And, like, in double and triplicate or whatever else. I think the content is not great.

[Langston Kerman]

Mm. And you feel that way from beginning to end of his career?

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

I think so, yeah. I mean, I think that, like, when I was 12, it was shocking that a fat lady tried to swallow his leg whole like a fucking egg roll. Right, Right.

[Langston Kerman]

That is shocking.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

It was like, wow, I can't believe he's saying this stuff. Whoa.

[Langston Kerman]

This guy's crazy.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah. But as an adult, I don't find myself ever going back to. To it. I really don't find myself being like bars. Like, it is so funny. This conversation came up and we were talking about, was it me and you? So I was talking with somebody about that renegade song, oh, where everybody's like. And even Nas was like, eminem murdered you on your hoes.

[Langston Kerman]

He ate Jay Z up on his own shit.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

But when you go back and listen to it, did he or did he just say some shit that sounds salacious?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Like, did he just say, take a bath with the Catholics and holy water? And everybody was like, whoa, he's talking about Mormons and Catholics. This is supposed to be crazy. And then Jay literally said on that song, do you listen to music or do you just skim through it? And it's like, yeah, I think if you just skim through it, you listen to that verse and you're like, oh, my God, Eminem's crazy. But if you listen for bars, Jay, I think, got him on that song.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay, here's what I'll say. I don't fully disagree with some of what you're saying that I do think that Eminem, certainly at his silliest shit, was just a dude saying, like, it was imagination, weirdo stuff more than it was like, anything that I'd be like, bars or wanting to revisit. Like, you know, you go back and listen to any of, like, that Slim Shady shit and it's just like, all right, man. Yeah, you're just. You're being wacky.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

More than you are, like, saying anything of substance.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Fun songs, though, fun songs, really fun.

[Langston Kerman]

Songs, but not necessarily ones that I'm, like, eager to, like, go re experience. I'm happy when they come back on because I go, oh, nostalgia, thank you, Whatever. But I'm not, like, desperate to go re download the albums so that I can hear them again. That said, I do think that there is a. There's a little bit of an icky thing that happens with new generations where they decide that, like, everything of old is. Is whacker than the thing that came that is currently here. And I don't like that where, like, it became like, sort of like a generational agreement of everybody being like, eminem sucks. And it's like, guys, he may not be the God of hip hop that, like, he was presented as when he was presented. And obviously there's a weird racial complication happening inside of this. That a dude who's, to your point, not even the best rapper is still the greatest selling rapper of up to A point before Drake comes along, whatever the fuck. And Drake probably makes it complicated, too. That said, he was good at rap. He was fucking good at it and made some really good songs, and we all liked it.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Top three Eminem songs.

[Langston Kerman]

My top three.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

The way I am still.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Whoa. I love that, you emo bitch.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

No, I remember thinking that song was, like. I remember singing it, like, on the football bus.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. I remember sitting in the back of my dad's Honda Civic wearing a disman, being like, this fucking guy gets it.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah. Looking out the window. Langston, do you want some Burger King? I am whoever you say I am, dad.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I. I love that song, man. I love Stan. Stan was huge for me.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Great. Stan is really, really.

[Langston Kerman]

And that was innovative as. As, like. You know what I mean? Like, speaking through this character and. And then him being himself in the song. And it was all. He did some cool.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

He did. He said a lot of. He said a lot of shit that I thought was crazy and still think is crazy at the time. What was that song he said where he said, I want the president dead. Fuck it. I set precedents. I remember that shit scared me.

[Langston Kerman]

That's what I'm saying, man. And I think, because we have, like, this generation of now edgelords and sort of, like, people who can push buttons in a more specific way to the way we live now, it's not shocking to be like, kill the President anymore. But in 1998, bro, I was gripping my seat, like, this is insane.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

That's true. I think there's something to be said for pushing boundaries. Also, the spot, the position of provocateur was not one that a lot of people courted. Like it is now.

[Langston Kerman]

No.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Does that make. Because I've always kind of. I always kind of find provocateurs boring. But, like, I think that's because coming up, that we've seen them, like, increased triplicate. You know what I mean? There's so many now. So it's like. It's like. Because it's like. I do think it's boring to be an edgelord. I think it's boring to just be like, here's the edge. I have no rhyme or reason. I'll just step past it. I don't think that's what Eminem was doing. I think.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't think so.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Weirdo, bad self. Because, you know, he was a bad kid. He was a bad, bad kid.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. He was a dude on drugs from a trailer park. Truly saying some shit that he was like, yo, this is Interesting. To me, this is who the fuck I am to some extent. And do I. I 100% agree with you. Part of my issue with Edgelord is it's a person who is fascinated with pushing the realm of comfort for everybody around them. I think that motherfucker was just talking.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah, I think Eminem was just talking. I think most provocateurs. I think it's very. It's formulaic. It's a formula.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I think they're. They're fascinating. To your point. Maybe they're more fascinated with the reaction than they are with the actual, like, pushing of boundaries. And in that way, it's just like, okay, well, I've already covered the word cunt, so now how can I push that into something that's gonna make you more uncomfortable or further unsettled in all of this shit?

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah, I mean, all that being said, man, I'm really not going back and listening to Eminem like that.

[Langston Kerman]

No, nor am I. I don't. Let me be clear. I know Eminem acolyte. I'm not trying to get to go back and listen. That was spitting. That's not the vibes over here. But I am saying it's corny to me that a bunch of people are pretending like Eminem just couldn't rap at all.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah, he could rap for sure. And he could freestyle, and nobody can.

[Langston Kerman]

Anymore, you know, Nobody even tries to freestyle.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah. So it's like. Yeah, he had the. You know, he. You know, he was. I think. Yeah. You put his jersey in the rafters.

[Langston Kerman]

Put his jersey in the rafters and then put a couple asterisks on it. Because he made Lil Dicky and fucking. You know.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Did he make Lil Dicky? I feel like.

[Langston Kerman]

I think he made him in concept, right? Like, he.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

I don't think so, because, like, I don't think so. Okay, now we're just. This is just what we're talking about at this point.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I guess so.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Sorry, Clayvon.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

I don't think Lil Dicky's in the same vein as Eminem at all. I think that Lil Dicky, I don't know. I don't feel like he was ever immersed in the culture, nor do I feel like I get the feeling that he has a huge amount of respect for the culture and that I imagine him being a Post Malone type, where if he could, he would step away and do something immediately. But that's not how Eminem is.

[Langston Kerman]

No, I don't think Eminem has any interest in stepping away from hip hop culture, but I also think that I would argue that it's, again, a generational thing, right, that, like, hip hop has become pop culture in a way that it was not. When Eminem first started, he was sort of, in some ways, one of the liaisons to making it the biggest form of music. And so in that way, there was nothing to step away from it from, which is why he spent so much of his career shitting on Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera and NSYNC and all these other guys. Because the equivalent, the white equivalent to him was literally the most offensive thing that could exist in hip hop. Right?

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

Alternatively, a lil dicky can step away and still, quote, unquote, identify with popular music and popular culture. And so he doesn't feel any obligation to learn about black people in a genuine way or feel connected to the roots of hip hop, because it's like, nah, this is just pop music, bro. I make pop.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah. I feel like he just learned how to rap.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, exactly.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

You know what I mean? And that's irritating.

[Langston Kerman]

It's whack. I think it's pretty whack. But I just don't know that it's. You know what I mean? I don't know that the solution is rooted in being like, oh, he doesn't give a fuck. And this dude did as much as it is, like, nah. He figured out where his bag lives, and that's that.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

And honestly, to all you guys listening, that's all we're trying to do. Wait till we figure out how to make a million dollars off of this. I'm selling the fuck out.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. I'm not staying loyal to none of y'.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

All. Come on. Who are you? I don't know nobody. I have a plane now.

[Langston Kerman]

We make a million dollars. Joe Rogan's coming on immediately.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yep.

[Langston Kerman]

I'll be like, now, this dude got some good ideas.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah. He's a smart guy and he loves black people.

[Langston Kerman]

That's why he was saying that so much.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Well, Langston, I think we've done it.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't know. We didn't even address our boy Clayvon in the slightest. Let's at least cover a tidbit of Clayvon, I think, to the question, and I'm struggling to even remember what the question was at this point.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Why People following directions.

[Langston Kerman]

I do think. And maybe this. We can wrap this all into the Eminem of it. All right? Yes. I think there's a way that this little dicky and Eminem and all of this can be folded into it. I do think that White people have had the benefit of living completely independent of laws and rules and all kinds of things that is hard to untie from their own self identity. Right. That like, literally this country was built by a bunch of dudes agreeing not to follow directions. And so it is not possible for them not. They refer to these motherfuckers as their forefathers and wrote a constitution based off of their line of thinking. And so it's hard for them to not see themselves as people sort of championing that at all times. Whereas black people, I think, unfortunately, have been forced into a life where we are at least constantly aware of the rules that we are choosing to break when we're breaking them. You know what I mean?

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah, I think that. I like that, actually. I. No notes.

[Langston Kerman]

Hell yeah. That said, do I think white people are capable of following the rules? I do. I think that's why they're so vocal, frankly, when rules are being broken or laws are not being held up to the way that they expect. But I don't think that they always respect the rules that are being instituted by people who they consider to be less than. And sometimes even Beyonce can be less than two white people.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah, that's reasonable. I like that.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

And you know, Eminem sucks. No, that was very grown up. That was very. All very good.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. So, Clayvon, I hope that that answers your question. If there are white people yelling at the Renaissance tour, just know that it is. It's inside them. And I don't know that they're incapable, but they certainly have a real hard time untying that from who they are.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah. Did you. You went, didn't you?

[Langston Kerman]

I did.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

How was it?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, it was great. I didn't. I'll be honest, for the everybody on me moment, I didn't say shit.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

I didn't say shit.

[Langston Kerman]

But I also.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

I also didn't.

[Langston Kerman]

I didn't realize it was happening till I was like halfway in it. Then I was like, oh, okay, cool. I'm glad I wasn't singing along.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Because.

[Langston Kerman]

I would have just kept on singing.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah, I get it. It's overwhelming at a concert. There's a lot going on.

[Langston Kerman]

There's a lot going on. I was, you know, I wasn't paying attention, and then everybody was on mute and I was like, cool, cool, cool. Me too.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got it.

[Langston Kerman]

You want to tell the people where they can find you and what cool shit you have going on?

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Cool guy jokes 87 on Instagram.

[Langston Kerman]

And if you want to follow me, follow me at Langston Kerman on all platforms. And as always, we have a YouTube, we have TikTok, we have an Instagram, we have all the shit that we would love for y' all to be tracking us on. We've made an agreement that we are gonna be posting actively on all of these about to Go crazy all of these sites. So if you're interested in seeing a bunch of shit you haven't seen on our personal Instagrams and TikToks and shit, this is the best time to start following. And if you want to send us your own drops, your own conspiracy theories, if you want to advocate for Eminem being the greatest rapper rapper of all time, send it all to mymamapodmail.com we would love to hear from you and give us a call. 844 Little Moms 844 Little Moms we want to hear from you. That's the whole shebang. Bye.

[Co-host (Cool Guy Jokes)]

Mini Episode Many Episodes Mini Episode Mini Episode Motherfucking mini episodes.

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