The Death of Aaliyah (with Laci Mosley)

Summary

Podcast Summary: My Momma Told Me – The Death of Aaliyah (with Laci Mosley)

Podcast Information:

• Title: My Momma Told Me
• Host/Author: Big Money Players Network and iHeartPodcasts
• Episode: The Death of Aaliyah (with Laci Mosley)
• Release Date: May 6, 2025
• Description: Comedians Langston Kerman and David Borey explore exciting, groundbreaking, and sometimes problematic Black conspiracy theories with guests, delving into various conspiracies ranging from silly to sinister.

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Introduction and Guest Welcome ([03:42] - [07:25])

The episode begins with hosts Langston Kerman and David Borey engaging in their characteristic humorous banter. They introduce their returning guest, Laci Mosley, known for her work on the podcast and television show "Scam Goddess." The hosts humorously recount previous interactions, setting a relaxed and entertaining tone for the episode:

• Langston Kerman ([03:42]): "Ladies and gentlemen, lil mamas and gentiles alike, welcome to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me the podcast."
• David Borey ([05:35]): "Our guest today, she's phenomenal. She’s been on the podcast multiple times, and each time she's hysterical."

Main Discussion: The Death of Aaliyah and Conspiracy Theories ([07:25] - [54:34])

Personal Anecdotes and Initial Reactions ([07:25] - [11:03]): Laci Mosley recounts her personal memories surrounding the tragic death of R&B icon Aaliyah in a plane crash in 2001. She shares how the news impacted her as a young listener:

• Laci Mosley ([10:03] – [11:03]): "I was just heartbroken. I was a kid, but we lost Aaliyah. We couldn't believe it."

Conspiracy Rating Segment ([29:27] - [30:05]): The hosts introduce a segment where they rate their belief in conspiracy theories on a scale from 1 to 10 regarding Aaliyah’s death:

• Laci Mosley ([29:27]): "I'm gonna have to rest at a solid seven."
• David Borey ([29:34]): "I probably would put myself closer in the six range, but a seven feels consistent with Laci’s perspective."
• Langston Kerman ([30:19]): "I'm probably closer to a four. I don't think I ever suspected foul play in the death itself."

Discussion on Potential Suspects ([35:31] - [54:34]): The conversation delves into various conspiracy theories implicating prominent figures in the music industry, including Beyoncé, Jay-Z, and Puff Daddy (Sean Combs), in Aaliyah's death. The hosts and Laci analyze the plausibility of these theories, weighing motives and available evidence:

• David Borey ([36:04]): "There are some who speculate that Jay Z and Beyoncé were responsible for killing Aaliyah."
• Laci Mosley ([37:08]): "I love Beyoncé at first of all. That's absolute zero for me. Absolutely not."
• Langston Kerman ([43:02]): "I'm not saying you're doing it. You know what, man? This podcast can get us in so much trouble now."

Comparisons with Other Conspiracy Theories ([40:22] - [43:24]): They compare the Aaliyah conspiracy with other well-known theories, discussing figures like R. Kelly and his influence in perpetuating harmful behaviors in the industry:

• David Borey ([41:52]): "R. Kelly wasn't as adept at amassing power compared to Diddy, making the latter a more plausible suspect in some conspiracy theories."
• Laci Mosley ([42:57]): "He was literally just being a nasty creepy man. But the beat would be so good."

Critical Analysis of Evidence and Plausibility ([44:42] - [54:34]): The hosts critically assess the available evidence supporting these conspiracy theories, emphasizing the lack of concrete proof and the tendency for speculation in the absence of definitive answers:

• Langston Kerman ([54:34]): "It was a tragic accident. I really do."
• Laci Mosley ([54:45]): "Her uncle is a problematic figure in the history of Aaliyah. He was her manager at one point."

Fan Interaction: Voicemail Segment ([65:27] - [72:25])

In a new segment, the hosts attempt to incorporate fan voicemails. However, the segment takes an unexpected turn when they receive a voicemail that disrupts the flow:

• David Borey ([66:27]): "I'm jerking off."
• Laci Mosley ([66:36]): "I was trying to hear something, but it was just that phrase."

The hosts humorously navigate the awkward situation, reinforcing the lighthearted and spontaneous nature of the podcast.

Conclusion and Final Thoughts ([72:25] - [75:40])

The hosts wrap up the discussion by reiterating their skepticism towards the conspiracy theories involving Beyoncé, Jay-Z, and Diddy in Aaliyah’s death. They emphasize the tragic nature of the event and the importance of honoring Aaliyah's legacy:

• Langston Kerman ([54:34]): "It was a tragic accident."
• Laci Mosley ([57:30]): "We do not want to encourage that kind of speculation."

They also promote their guest’s work, encouraging listeners to engage with Laci Mosley's "Scam Goddess" content:

• David Borey ([73:55]): "You can find me at D I V A L, A C I D with Lacey on all platforms."

Finally, the episode concludes with standard podcast sign-offs, including promotional mentions for their production partners and social media channels.

Notable Quotes:

• Laci Mosley ([07:38]): "If I don't wanna do something, but I feel very pressured to do it, I just start thinking, 'What if I was dead?'"

• David Borey ([36:04]): "There are some who speculate that Jay Z and Beyoncé were responsible for killing Aaliyah."

• Langston Kerman ([54:34]): "It was a tragic accident. I really do."

• Laci Mosley ([57:30]): "We do not want to encourage that kind of speculation."

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Conclusion: This episode of "My Momma Told Me" offers an engaging and candid exploration of the conspiracy theories surrounding Aaliyah's untimely death. With heartfelt personal anecdotes and critical discussions, hosts Langston Kerman and David Borey, alongside guest Laci Mosley, provide listeners with a blend of humor, skepticism, and respect for the legacy of a beloved artist.

Transcript

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[David Borey]

We prefer that people do not leave us just talking by ourselves because no lace.

[Lacy Mosley]

And when have I ever done that? These would be more like. And Lacey, you cannot talk the whole show. No, at your Go crazy go Last time l was like. We did the live show. L was like, why you come out here attacking us?

[Langston Kerman]

You are. That was great though. You were singing. All y'all were.

[David Borey]

All y'all were very nasty to me.

[Langston Kerman]

At the live show.

[David Borey]

There's no part of me that's going to walk that back. Just cuz you try to conflate these Two mothers.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay, first of all, I didn't. I didn't ask you to. I didn't ask. I'll stand on mine.

[Langston Kerman]

I felt how I felt, big dog.

[David Borey]

You guys were very nasty. I thought I was supporting my dark skinned brothers and sisters.

[Langston Kerman]

He didn't think that. He didn't think that.

[David Borey]

He didn't think I thought I was there.

[Lacy Mosley]

He had to add that in. He could have said brothers and sisters. We had to make sure to call his darkies.

[Langston Kerman]

Exactly. You heard his voice.

[David Borey]

Because some nasty things were thrown my way.

[Lacy Mosley]

Cause I love moon crickets.

[David Borey]

Sing me a song, moon cricket.

[Langston Kerman]

See, now I gotta hit the theme song. I can't have you just out here talking like that.

[Lacy Mosley]

The government growing babies, microchips in your anus.

[David Borey]

All koala bears are racist. The ozone layer owes me money.

[Langston Kerman]

Washington Bennett and turkey stuffing. Y'all can't tell me nothing.

[David Borey]

Poopity scoop, scoop dee. Whoop, there it is. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, lil mamas and gentiles alike, welcome to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me the podcast where.

[Langston Kerman]

We dive deep into the pockets of black conspiracy theories and we finally work.

[David Borey]

To prove whatever the fuck you got going on. If it's a L, we believe it and we'll sell it.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Temu.com.

[David Borey]

We'Ll pitch it out to the world.

[Langston Kerman]

We gotta get sponsored by temu. I know. We talked about it.

[David Borey]

We deserve a good low life sponsorship.

[Langston Kerman]

That's what I. Cause I don't. I don't need. I don't want like a good one. I want a bad one.

[David Borey]

Yeah. I think. I think the good ones always make you feel icky in some regard because you go like, I don't want to. You know, now I'm supporting this major corporation. I want to just. I want to support some dirt bags.

[Langston Kerman]

That's what I'm saying.

[David Borey]

Some real.

[Langston Kerman]

Buy some ice cube trays on temu won't come for six months. That's what I endorse.

[David Borey]

We want a company that sells switchblades.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

That'S all y'all do.

[Langston Kerman]

What color would your switchblade be?

[David Borey]

I gotta talk to the people at the company.

[Langston Kerman]

I get like a Bob Marley, you know, Half Bob Marley face, half lion. I would go to Rastafarian swish.

[David Borey]

See, I think you're thinking too limited because you might sit down with these people and they have a booklet like they would show a casket. You know what I mean? Where you get options that you didn't even realize were options for switchblades. It Might be fur switchblades out here and you out here being. You know what I mean? Making guesses on who you want to be.

[Langston Kerman]

No, you got me. You got me. I didn't think about different animal textures.

[David Borey]

Come on.

[Langston Kerman]

I could get gator skin. Switchblade.

[David Borey]

Let's go, man.

[Langston Kerman]

Would you ever. What's the most exotic animal you would wear on your back? You can jump in anytime.

[David Borey]

This is why we warned you. Ahead. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

This is what happens.

[David Borey]

No, this is what happened.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, you're just here.

[Langston Kerman]

We will.

[David Borey]

No, we plan to. We plan to.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's what I was waiting for. I. Repartee is what you call no.

[David Borey]

Okay, we do, but then it turns into chaos really fast.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm sorry. That's fair.

[David Borey]

No. We're so sorry. Our guest today.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, there you go.

[David Borey]

No, we have to. Our guest today, she's phenomenal. She. She's a returning guest. She. She's been on the podcast multiple times, and each time she's He. She's hysterical. You know her best from her own podcast, Scam Goddess. You know her from her television show, also named Scam Goddess. You know her from going Dutch on Fox. Whole bunch of shit. Stay busy. Give it up for Lacy Mosley.

[Lacy Mosley]

Thank you guys for having me.

[David Borey]

Feel the rhyme. Get on up. It's Fox time.

[Lacy Mosley]

All right.

[David Borey]

Shout out to Ducky Duck. Way louder in the clips. Don't worry.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, no, this. That's embarra. That's like, every time I'm trying to show a woman a YouTube. No, but you gotta know is. Patrice. You didn't really do crowd with me.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, you can't hear. Hold up, hold up.

[David Borey]

Hold the booty up.

[Lacy Mosley]

Hold.

[Langston Kerman]

You got a cup. You got a cup. Let me put it in a cup.

[Lacy Mosley]

You know what? It's fine. You tried. That was cute.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm trying my best.

[Lacy Mosley]

I'm happy to be here. Thank you for having me back.

[Langston Kerman]

Thank you for coming back.

[Lacy Mosley]

I really try when I go on the shows to make sure that that's the last time. Like, they're like, we never having her back again.

[David Borey]

Oh.

[Lacy Mosley]

Just do as much damage as possible.

[David Borey]

You did a fair amount of damage last time. Not to me. Yeah, certainly.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, yeah. We were. We was here.

[Langston Kerman]

I thought it was a fantastic appearance.

[Lacy Mosley]

Listen, if everybody else agrees, that means you're the wrong one.

[David Borey]

Not the way I live. That's not how I do it.

[Lacy Mosley]

I like that. I'm gonna take that with me.

[Langston Kerman]

No, it was by his own counsel. That's good.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's how I live.

[David Borey]

I mean, you're free to believe that.

[Lacy Mosley]

But no, I love that. I've been taking a new phrase with me about living, which is that now that I'm an adult, I don't know. Something happened to me, like, the other day, and, like, a light switch flipped, and I was like, oh, I don't live like this no more. And I just stopped living how I was living it.

[Langston Kerman]

How are we living?

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, my gosh. So much anxiety. Doing way too much shit for people. Anytime somebody would ask me for something, I'd get a panic attack, like, running around, working too much. You name it. This, that, and third. And somebody asked me for something that was like, basically like, co signing on our apartment or something like that.

[Langston Kerman]

Gotcha now.

[Lacy Mosley]

This is like, closer family.

[Langston Kerman]

So close family.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. So I was sister, family, cousin. I'm not going that deep. I'm black. I'm black. Oh, my gosh. Are you the.

[Langston Kerman]

Are you foreigner?

[Lacy Mosley]

Are you the FBI?

[Langston Kerman]

Are you foreigner? American?

[Lacy Mosley]

I can't believe you did an interrogation. It's like. Is the lamp swinging? I can't believe you. I believe you asked them.

[Langston Kerman]

I just want to know if it happened on WhatsApp or not.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, no, no. Hell, no. No. Come on, scam guys.

[Langston Kerman]

Some of us got family on WhatsApp.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, okay. That's right. Because you got the people over the. Over the ocean. Yeah. Omone. Nigel.

[Langston Kerman]

No, Sierra Leone.

[Lacy Mosley]

Sierra Leone. Oh, okay. Frank Ocean. Shout Out.

[Langston Kerman]

He's not. He's not.

[Lacy Mosley]

He got that song, though.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, that's.

[Lacy Mosley]

So that's basically like.

[Langston Kerman]

It's the best song.

[Lacy Mosley]

Sierra Leone.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

He gave y'all an anthem. We don't know that.

[Langston Kerman]

We don't really talk about the other. The Kanye one.

[David Borey]

I was gonna say Kanye hit y'all with a real tough one to probably sing along to.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's kind of a downer. He was kind of like throwing shade.

[Langston Kerman]

But Jay Z was on the remix, and that was exciting. That was exciting.

[Lacy Mosley]

That was exciting. Okay.

[David Borey]

No, the song went up. I'm not gonna lie to you. If you don't have any. If you don't have any chips in that game.

[Langston Kerman]

It is a good song.

[David Borey]

It's a great song.

[Lacy Mosley]

And it's someone from the diaspora. I don't know where I'm from, so. Ain't got no.

[Langston Kerman]

Here's what I'll tell you.

[David Borey]

I know where. I'm not from there. You know what I mean?

[Langston Kerman]

Statistically pro.

[Lacy Mosley]

You don't know that. You don't know that.

[David Borey]

My mom. Detroit.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay, fair.

[Lacy Mosley]

You really asking all the FBI questions? What? You wear your grandma's state. Like, wow, baby. You want them to. No, but I was just gonna say, like, I've started doing this thing where, like, if I don't wanna do something, but I feel very pressured to do it, or if I know I'll feel guilty if I say no, I just start thinking, like, what if I was dead? If I was dead, y'all would have to figure out another way to do this, right?

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, that is. That makes sense.

[Lacy Mosley]

So then I just be dead for a little while to that situation, and then they always figure it out.

[Langston Kerman]

You mean, like, do not dist. Yeah, yeah.

[David Borey]

You don't got to kill yourself.

[Lacy Mosley]

I just resurrect myself once it's all over. But, no, I'll be dead.

[David Borey]

You can just, you know, put your phone in a different room.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, no, no, no. It really helps me to, like, envision myself being dead, and then I'm like, I couldn't do anything, cuz I'm in the grave.

[Langston Kerman]

It works. That's been working for you.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, it's working fantastically. I'm never going to let it go.

[David Borey]

I'm very happy for you. I'm very happy you're here.

[Lacy Mosley]

I'm happy to be here.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm happy you're alive.

[David Borey]

We're happy you're alive. And you only do it as long as you want to do it. Don't keep doing it. Oh, the living part. Oh, the living part. You came to us with a conspiracy theory. Speaking of which, Olivia made the point that we've actually never covered her at.

[Langston Kerman]

All on the podcast, which is crazy.

[Lacy Mosley]

I couldn't believe it.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, that is crazy.

[David Borey]

Hasn't come up. I think sometimes we are a little protective of some challenging conversations that, you know, that get into some nasty, scary conspiracies.

[Langston Kerman]

That is true.

[David Borey]

We're excited to tackle it with you.

[Lacy Mosley]

I am, too. I definitely feel like it's a tightrope.

[David Borey]

It's a tightrope.

[Lacy Mosley]

I feel like I can walk it. I got good balance.

[David Borey]

You came to a.

[Langston Kerman]

She's a controversial character.

[David Borey]

You said, my mama told me they killed Aaliyah.

[Langston Kerman]

And when you say they, you mean Robert Kelly.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, when I say they, I'm talking about them. I'm talking about them people.

[David Borey]

Okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

You know, I'm talking about the orchestrators. You know, all the pronouns. She, her, him, they, he. As a collective. The group.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, they killed it.

[Lacy Mosley]

They killed it.

[Langston Kerman]

They got it.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

You know what was interesting when you said this? I was thinking about it. I don't even know the specifics of the Aaliyah death like that.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, I do, because I remember exactly where I was.

[David Borey]

I do, too.

[Lacy Mosley]

When it happened, really, I was on punishment for not cleaning my room. And so on punishment, I couldn't watch tv, but I don't know where. I had, like, procured this handheld television, and then I had popped the batteries out of my baby doll back, and I put them in the handheld TV. Cause it needed, like, four triple or. No, it needed, like, four double Ds. And so I popped them in there, and then I was watching TV under my covers in my room. And, you know, it's like the antenna, so you can't get nothing but, like, local channels. So the first thing when I turned it on was the news, and it was saying that Aaliyah passed away in an airplane accident in the Bahamas. And so then I called my cousin. I snuck and called my cousin. That's my best friend. I was like, eric, oh, my God, thank you.

[Langston Kerman]

You snuck and called your cousin?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, it was an emergency. Like, okay. Grounded or not like parents, y'all can do. Bye. Bye, bye. This is our icon.

[David Borey]

Well, I will say I hope they ground you for this now. I hope they're listeners. I pray to God your parents are listeners. And I pray to God they punish you for what you did.

[Lacy Mosley]

Why? I was a woman in stem. What you talking about? Okay.

[David Borey]

Damn.

[Lacy Mosley]

I took them. Little Bessie, Westie, whatever the fuck. Little baby doll.

[Langston Kerman]

That is true. That is when I was on punishment, I was just on punishment. I never figured out.

[David Borey]

You never figured out a way to.

[Langston Kerman]

Not in a good way. I just really. I really took that shit.

[Lacy Mosley]

My parents was doing too much, so I had to level the playing field. Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

It was like, were you on punishment.

[Lacy Mosley]

A lot for dumb shit? It would be like, oh, you didn't clean your room. Like, girl, we have a nan. I'm not gonna. Not gonna listen. Much fun.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

No reason for me. Finally. I tricked her, though, because the nanny. Yeah. So she was like, the living, like, clean nanny.

[Langston Kerman]

What country?

[Lacy Mosley]

We had a few, all normally from Mexico. I lucky think my mama might have had a sweet.

[Langston Kerman]

We could do it too.

[Lacy Mosley]

But, Dolores, this is.

[David Borey]

No, before you. I don't want to speed past Dolores, but this is beautiful. I think so. Rarely do we have someone on the podcast a black person that has had a live in nanny.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

That's not an experience.

[Lacy Mosley]

Who am I supposed to know about this?

[David Borey]

No, it's nasty.

[Langston Kerman]

But I'm gonna be honest.

[David Borey]

I think it's hard because I'm brain Damaged. Do you know what I mean? Like, society has trained me to think that that is, like. It's not cool to say that, but it is cool. It's fucking. That's where you come from. And that's so nice.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, we showed our industry people love to, you know, the struggle.

[Langston Kerman]

I grew up eating syrup sandwiches, literally. Yeah, but you were having elote from Dolores.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, I was. And the Paletas from the Paleta. Man, I like Mexicano De Mexicano. No, but yeah, one time I did trick her because I had got a whooping. That's the thing about my punishments. It would be like a whooping. Then I had to open the black history books. Have you ever seen those EBONY black history encyclopedias?

[Langston Kerman]

I've seen Ebony's. No, we did not purchase anything from the colonies.

[Lacy Mosley]

They look like the encyclopedia, the white people ones, but they're brown and they have, like, gold on them. And we have. And I would have to, like, pull them out and, like, read a bunch of chapters and then write an essay about how at one point, parts of Africa had other parts of, like, another country in Africa had taken. I won't say it was Ethiopia. I don't wanna be wrong, but they took over Egypt. Like, all this stuff like that. I had to, like, learn from the black encyclopedias. That's on top of getting whooping. And I was grounded. It was too much punishment for one thing.

[David Borey]

Sure, sure, sure, sure.

[Langston Kerman]

We need to bring back.

[David Borey]

So I needed a few phone calls.

[Lacy Mosley]

I knit that shit in the butt. Dolores was across the hall from me, so I got whooped one time. I just made it sound extra bad. Cause it really wasn't that bad. Cause she snitched on me. And after that, she cleaned my room.

[Langston Kerman]

Whoa. She snitched on you?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Cause she thought she was doing the right thing. And then after that, she cleaned my room.

[David Borey]

So you made her believe that she may have gotten you murdered. And then she was like, oh, never mind. All right, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

And she also lived there.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. She was crying after my whipping. She was like, oh, Lucian, duh. And I was like, yeah, you got me abused.

[Langston Kerman]

Do you ever.

[David Borey]

Delores, you fucked up, man. You fucked up, man.

[Lacy Mosley]

Dolores. My little black ass. But, yeah, so because I was, you know, grounded, that's how I found out about her tragic passing. Aaliyah's tragic passing. Which to that I want to get.

[Langston Kerman]

Is Deloria still with us, though?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, she follow. We all Facebook together.

[David Borey]

So she be.

[Lacy Mosley]

She keeps up. She's the one nanny that I still talk to. Like she really keeps up.

[Langston Kerman]

You had to cut off.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, no, no, no. They just need to go. They get married.

[David Borey]

I'll see you when I see you.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Natasha.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, no. Shout out to Rena, shout out to Anna, shout out to Lucia.

[Langston Kerman]

It's a lot.

[Lacy Mosley]

I mean it's years of time.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know the game yet.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

But. Oh, I was. What was I going to say? Oh, I just want to say this up top disclaimer.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

I love Leah. None of this is shade to her life, her tragic passing.

[David Borey]

We're also calling.

[Lacy Mosley]

I just want to get that out there because you know the girls love to click that delete button on you know, your life. And I don't want that.

[David Borey]

No. I'm curious to know. You are sort of alluding to this. They them in the sky. And I'm curious to know if you have a specific angle on who they might.

[Lacy Mosley]

Now we know they has to be somewhat connected to the music industry.

[David Borey]

Sure.

[Langston Kerman]

Right.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes. So they are in the music industry. They have probably went to one of that take that man's parties. You know, they looms around there.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Maybe they had dated Aaliyah. Maybe they got in a fight. Maybe that's the reason they don't have Roc A Fella records no more.

[Lacy Mosley]

They might be in prison.

[David Borey]

I think it's always fascinating when these conversations come up because there is sort of this they that lives for all of us. And when you said it, I had a they in my head. I'm sure you had a they in your head. You have a they in your head. And each time I think it almost becomes this self fulfilling prophecy where like the more that that person does wrong.

[Lacy Mosley]

The more we like I'm locking in.

[David Borey]

On them as my number one suspect, you know what I mean? Of this shit. It's very. It's always. It's fascinating how conspiracy really. It births itself.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. It's also like one of those hindsight 2020 things. It's like if anybody gets proven to be like, you know when all the Diddy stuff came out, like, you know, there have been like rumors but nobody knew the extent. Nobody knew like how we didn't know when it really started going left. And so then there's all these people. Like I knew the whole time and it's like, did you?

[Langston Kerman]

No. We all watched Making the band too. We loved it.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like I went to Junior's cheesecake just cause he made them walk over that bridge, same.

[David Borey]

I thought at best, Diddy was obnoxious. I didn't think he was a monster.

[Lacy Mosley]

No.

[David Borey]

I was like, nah, that dude's probably annoying as fuck when he, you know, if you gotta work for him or whatever.

[Lacy Mosley]

But, like, not dark Triad personality.

[Langston Kerman]

I do remember right before that shit dropped. You remember on tour, I had that Diddy T shirt? You were like, like, okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

I was like, what are you talking about, Cool guy.

[Langston Kerman]

Last time I wore that T shirt.

[Lacy Mosley]

A black person who neither likes it nor loves it. Okay, yeah, that's exactly, Big dog.

[Langston Kerman]

That's exact. I can't say. Okay, you got a Diddy T shirt on.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, you see, that's when you know it's bad when you just describe the thing with no adjectives. It was like, okay, you got a shirt with diddy face on it, and this is it.

[Langston Kerman]

It was a second away from. That's crazy.

[David Borey]

I. Look, I wasn't in a place to tell you to take that off, but I wasn't about to put that shit on you.

[Langston Kerman]

No, it didn't age well at all.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yo, that's cotton. Huh? You got that on.

[David Borey]

When you first heard about this conspiracy theory, did you immediately. Or rather, when you first heard about her passing, did you clock a conspiracy inside of it? Or were you just heartbroken, sad about the news?

[Lacy Mosley]

I was just heartbroken. I was a kid, but I love, like. I mean, you know, we lost Alena. I'm from Texas, so, you know, like, the young icon girlies. That was, like, tough on us. But I was a kid, and so it was more so just like, we love Aaliyah, and we can't believe. Like, you know, that's back when the shows 106 and Bow Wow and Free and the Predator used to be on.

[Langston Kerman]

His name is aj.

[Lacy Mosley]

He used to have.

[Langston Kerman]

No, it was bad.

[Lacy Mosley]

It was.

[David Borey]

Did y'all know? Did y'all know those were wigs? The entire time AJ had wigs?

[Lacy Mosley]

That blew my mind. I found out a few years ago.

[Langston Kerman]

I did not know that.

[Lacy Mosley]

But why did we not think that was a conspiracy theory? That should have been on the list.

[David Borey]

His head was entire tone.

[Langston Kerman]

Why?

[David Borey]

I thought at some point it was real. Apparently, like, right from the beginning, this nigga just was gluing that on his head.

[Lacy Mosley]

You know, Brandi on Moesha was wearing braid wigs.

[David Borey]

Wow.

[Lacy Mosley]

Micro braid wigs. Cause if you keep doing that for a long period of time, you will lose your edges. You'll lose. Even with dreads. Like, you can retwist. Like, he was but whoever was. Whoever did AJ's dread wigs was ahead of the time.

[David Borey]

That was a gorgeous piece.

[Langston Kerman]

That was top tier.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, the girls are just getting that lace technology now.

[David Borey]

No.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, That's a conspiracy.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like Beyonce. He had it before Beyonce, man.

[Langston Kerman]

Where did he get it?

[Lacy Mosley]

Where did he go? Who was doing them?

[Langston Kerman]

You think BET hooked it up? Hell, no, I don't think they hooked anything up.

[David Borey]

No.

[Lacy Mosley]

BET was not the way BET said.

[Langston Kerman]

We had some crackers and some warm water.

[David Borey]

Here's what I say.

[Lacy Mosley]

And we don't validate. DJ, you get on 106. Parking. You get your car on fix.

[David Borey]

Because we do that, you better park.

[Langston Kerman]

At 105th and Park.

[Lacy Mosley]

You know, they tow on 106. Okay.

[David Borey]

A lot. No, we ain't got no goddamn lot. Take the. Take the 2 train, man.

[Lacy Mosley]

Talking about, right?

[David Borey]

We uptown. You know the address, as is in the name.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's a part of your new hiring paperwork. They give you the train route?

[David Borey]

Yeah. Here's a map.

[Langston Kerman]

What.

[Lacy Mosley]

What part of town you coming from? Oh, Jersey. All right, so you get on the path first.

[David Borey]

You got to take the path. Time square.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Borey]

Hey, put your hair on before you get on there. We don't want.

[Lacy Mosley]

We don't.

[David Borey]

We don't want no photos.

[Lacy Mosley]

Put your hair on his crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

Yo, what do you look like without it, though?

[David Borey]

It's just like a regular, you know, like, short hair. Dude, it was just matte regular.

[Lacy Mosley]

I had no idea. But that was the time when, you know, we would get home from school and we would put on, you know, the TV on 160 park or whatever, and we would watch the video countdowns, and we would see all Aaliyah's new videos and stuff. And, I mean, she was killing it. She was beautiful. And, like, all the movies she had done, you know, we were so ready for Akasha. The Queen of the Damned hadn't come out yet, so the girls wasn't damned yet, but we knew we were about to be. You know, there was a lot to look forward to.

[Langston Kerman]

So it was like Romeo Must Die. Hell, yeah. A movie that made me think that DMX was gonna be in.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, yeah.

[David Borey]

I did think DMX was gonna be in that movie.

[Lacy Mosley]

That's like a Baron scene for me. Cause I thought he was in that movie. He wasn't in, like, one.

[Langston Kerman]

I think he's in it for, like, two seconds. Romeo.

[Lacy Mosley]

What? Come on.

[David Borey]

I don't.

[Lacy Mosley]

Romeo, you dead.

[David Borey]

I think he's in that Jet Li movie. They have a movie together.

[Langston Kerman]

Cradle to the Grave.

[David Borey]

Yeah, but I don't know that he's.

[Langston Kerman]

In Romeo Dragon, also in Cradle to the grave.

[David Borey]

But he did write that hit song for the Bromeo Must die soundtrack.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes. Okay. Cause I was like, I know. I heard it.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, the Aaliyah song. Back in one piece.

[David Borey]

Yeah, back in one piece.

[Langston Kerman]

Where she makes a very reasonable request. And he's like, come on, bitch. She's like, you could go with your friends. Just don't die.

[Lacy Mosley]

And he's like.

[David Borey]

It is what it is. I'm gonna be how I be?

[Lacy Mosley]

Hello?

[David Borey]

I'm chasing the cat a barking up a tree like, nigga, calm me can.

[Lacy Mosley]

They call me sometimes when you get home? I just want to know if you laugh this what call you? Yeah, he was reasonable. She was reasonable.

[Langston Kerman]

She was really, really nice about it. She like, you could go with your dog.

[David Borey]

Yeah, go with the dogs.

[Langston Kerman]

Take him to the park.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah. No, no.

[Langston Kerman]

He was probably a tough boyfriend.

[Lacy Mosley]

But she was shaping up to, you know, be this global. And it already, you know, had some huge wins, so we were really excited. And so that was. It was a huge, like, loss. And then also, this was the time where you actually got your news from the news. You know, there was no Twitter to check. There was no, you know, thank God that that happened in that time. Cause Lord knows, if that had happened in these days, they probably would have had a video of the plane going down. They probably would have had all types of inappropriate shit.

[David Borey]

There are only like, two or three, like, breaking news moments that I've ever experienced while the news was playing. Oh.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, we interrupt this broadcast to bring you a special.

[David Borey]

Like, wasn't it in 2001, too, I believe.

[Langston Kerman]

I think it was like.

[Lacy Mosley]

Cause it was like, 9 11. And then I think she went after.

[Langston Kerman]

It was that week.

[Lacy Mosley]

It wasn't that week, but it was, like, which also music industry. If your music came out on a Tuesday the week of 9 11, it did not get played.

[David Borey]

It was August 25, 2001.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. So it was right before it was.

[Langston Kerman]

Breaking out on 9 11.

[David Borey]

And that shit still hit.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, but we wasn't bumping it on 9 11.

[David Borey]

Yeah, we.

[Langston Kerman]

You wasn't.

[David Borey]

Yeah. Some of us needed it.

[Langston Kerman]

Hola, ho, Vito, is what I was saying.

[David Borey]

Some of us grew up in the middle of the country and didn't know what 911 meant. All I knew was a new.

[Lacy Mosley]

They didn't come get you out of school?

[David Borey]

No.

[Langston Kerman]

So they got you out of school. Were you in New York?

[Lacy Mosley]

No, I was. My mom came to my middle school she got me out of school. And then, because the nannies always watched, like, noticias, so we were watching, like, Telemundo was showing everything. I was not. Shit was like, they were showing.

[David Borey]

Oh, my nanny didn't come. He still hasn't.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, my nanny left me at school.

[Lacy Mosley]

My mom came up.

[David Borey]

If my nanny shows up, I was.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, don't slap on by.

[Lacy Mosley]

No. But. So y'all were bumping the blueprint, like, just. Mm. Mm.

[David Borey]

No, the point. The point I was making is more that in Chicago, I didn't grow up with a sense of what. The Twin Towers. Exactly.

[Langston Kerman]

In that way.

[David Borey]

It was like planes that crashed into the Twin Towers. And they made a big deal about it at school. But it wasn't until I got home and watched video of it that I got a sense of the scale of what this.

[Lacy Mosley]

The magnitude.

[David Borey]

To me, this just felt like, okay, well, two buildings, whatever the fuck.

[Langston Kerman]

That's how I felt. And then I got home, and my mom and my stepdad were home, and they canceled football practice.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

And then I was like, oh, I guess this is a big deal. And then my parents were home.

[David Borey]

And then I was like, oh, yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. My mom came into my school.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

A girl in my class started crying when they gave the news. And I look back, like, bitch, stop. Like, I was really. No, she knew somebody up in there, but that's. I didn't get it.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, right. You know what I'm saying?

[Langston Kerman]

Like, you're just a mean boy. It's.

[David Borey]

Yeah, I'm just.

[Lacy Mosley]

I was just a mean boy. I'm just a girl. I was just a mean boy.

[David Borey]

I'm a bully, and I saw weakness in a person, and I wanted to take advantage of it.

[Langston Kerman]

Yo, that age that aged horribly. You like, this bitch crying about the towel. Okay, bitch.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay, bitch.

[David Borey]

I legit. Was like.

[Lacy Mosley]

He cried about the Towers one.

[David Borey]

But you know what I mean? There's, like, Oklahoma City bombings. There's no way y'all were sitting back like, oh, better take my head off now.

[Langston Kerman]

No, I was younger for all that.

[David Borey]

But that's what I'm saying. There were just things that happened before these moments where you go, like, no, I know that's fucked up, but it doesn't exist for. I love that 9, 11.

[Lacy Mosley]

I know what you mean. I love that you had that childhood. Cause I was watching the news all the time. My granny had me on that Dateline shit. Like, she would be like, if a man tries to grab you, like, you got a jacket on, you just stiff your arms out. Like this and keep running. So if you're running away and they grab you by the jacket, you got.

[Langston Kerman]

A Naruto out your shit.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. And keep running.

[David Borey]

That's right.

[Langston Kerman]

She said he got activated.

[Lacy Mosley]

No. Yeah. I grew up with all types of paranoias. That's literally why my book starts with, I went missing when I was five. Lol. Like, my grandma had me on that date last. Shit. Heavy. I was watching, like, I was just watching the news.

[Langston Kerman]

That was the news, too. Because that is, like, propaganda bent news. Right.

[David Borey]

I was watching a lot of Dayline and a lot of 2020. But I think the scale of 911 is so large. No, you're not wrong that it stops being people. Do you know what I mean? Where it's like, it was starting to.

[Lacy Mosley]

Be numbers, and then it's like, once you start to see photos or you see the missing signs or whatever, but the initial news of it, especially at our ages at the time, I could see being like, oh, I don't know what. This is just, like, a global event.

[David Borey]

The tail towers fell.

[Langston Kerman]

I also didn't understand the magnitude of New York, of Manhattan.

[Lacy Mosley]

I like the population density and all. You didn't live there, like, and you're young.

[Langston Kerman]

It's like, I just remember a girl in my, like, history class being like, are we gonna go to war? And I was like, shut up, bitch.

[Lacy Mosley]

Damn, y'all. Oh, I'm the bad guy.

[Langston Kerman]

I was very anti war. Very young. Very, very young.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, it was about the war. You wasn't just bullying.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, she was, like, really upset me. She was like, are we gonna go to war? And I was like. Cause I'm from Sierra Leone.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, right.

[Langston Kerman]

I was like, that's, like, the worst.

[David Borey]

That really scared you.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I got you.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay. Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

Also, I wasn't meant.

[Lacy Mosley]

You hear mean, Blake.

[David Borey]

That's why we get along.

[Lacy Mosley]

Two mean boys. Just two mean boys.

[David Borey]

Lacey, before we take this break. And we do need to take a break, my question for you is how much? On a scale of 1 to 10. Let's start. Are you fully believing the possibility that this. They had Aaliyah killed?

[Lacy Mosley]

I'm gonna have to rest at a solid seven.

[David Borey]

Okay. Wow. You're pretty far into this.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, I'm into the lore. Okay, we'll get into it.

[David Borey]

Okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

I'm into the lore.

[David Borey]

So we're gonna take seven.

[Langston Kerman]

What number are you?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, what are you?

[David Borey]

That's a great question. I think I'm. I think I'm comfortably near a seven. I think I. I probably would put myself closer In. In the six range, but I. It's six feels cowardly next to seven, so I'm gonna say seven. I'll lock in with you at seven.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

And I'm, like, shoulder leaning down the scale more than I am up. The same vibe.

[David Borey]

Yeah, we're in.

[Langston Kerman]

I am one in a million. On and on and on. We'll be right back after this.

[Lacy Mosley]

You bitch.

[Langston Kerman]

No, I'm probably, like. I. I'm honestly pretty neutral on it. I. I don't think I ever suspected foul play in the death itself, so I think I'm probably closer to a four.

[David Borey]

Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, when it happened, I don't think I was like. I don't think I was like, they got her. You know what I'm saying?

[Lacy Mosley]

No. Yeah. I feel like, almost like. Not to conflate the two, but, like, how Langston was saying about, like, 911 being a child and not understanding the scope until he was, like, older. I didn't think immediately when I saw that there was an accident with a plane crash with Aaliyah that it was like, oh, they got her. Like, we knew they was after her. You know, I was a kid, but then as I got older, and then people started floating stuff around. You know, my Negro Shundo was like, okay, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I mean, I will say, even at the time, the Aaliyah death was bigger to me than 9 11.

[Lacy Mosley]

Well, that's something. I feel like that's also, like you're pinpointing one person. You know, you've seen this person a lot, versus, like, hearing statistics on the news, which can feel, like, not human until, you know, you start really seeing. Yeah, but I don't want to. Like, not a love ashamed y'all no more. Y'all were children. We were all children.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I mean, yeah, we were little boys.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Little mean boys. You're little mean boys.

[Langston Kerman]

I was, like, 14.

[David Borey]

I was pretty much a man.

[Lacy Mosley]

I mean. No, still a boy. We're 14 year olds.

[David Borey]

Still boy.

[Langston Kerman]

I was a beard, but that shit was come. I can bet £200.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, my God.

[David Borey]

Easy, easy reps. All right, we're going to take a break. We'll be back with more Lacy Mosley. More. My mama told me I'm not gay no more.

[Langston Kerman]

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[David Borey]

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[David Borey]

We're not going to let Joe Biden and Kamala Harris cut America's meat.

[Langston Kerman]

That's dead on that. That's dead on that. We keep the whole sausage over here. My mama told me we don't cut no meat. We are back, Lacy Mosley, and we are talking about Aaliyah.

[David Borey]

Aaliyah. So one of the things that I found as a sort of jumpstart for this, this conversation, I'll. I'll prompt a few things and you'll tell me where you land in. In your agreement, disagreement with this. But there are some people who believe that Beyonce, Jay Z, and Puffy are sort of, in unison, responsible for Aaliyah's death.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[David Borey]

The conspiracy goes. And this has gained quite a bit of traction on TikTok, apparently. But there are some who speculate that Jay Z and Beyonce in particular were responsible for killing Aaliyah and that the background music for J. Cole's She Knows was actually Jay Z. Sean Knowles, basically, instead of she Knows, they're saying Sean Knowles, implying that J. Cole somehow has, like, inside track on the fact that Aaliyah.

[Langston Kerman]

His first name and her last name.

[David Borey]

Exactly. This sort of, like, combo of the two others believe it could be a reference to Sean. For Sean. Diddy Combs. Sean Combs, I think, is the implication now why J. Cole somehow is sort of making this song.

[Lacy Mosley]

Just let him know.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. And then why would he make a secret song?

[Lacy Mosley]

I mean, he's a whimsical, deep, light skin. So maybe he has some kind of tapped in voodoo hoodoo. That song, actually, she knows.

[Langston Kerman]

Would you like to say that there's some kind of a magic around that.

[David Borey]

Around Jay Z and Beyonce, around the light skins. Oh, the light skins.

[Lacy Mosley]

I feel like if we talk about the creole. Yeah. Because, you know, they be down, like, where to do the voodoo in Louisiana.

[David Borey]

But you're saying a regular old light skinned like myself, no magic. You might not be deeply unmagic.

[Langston Kerman]

You gotta be one of those magic.

[Lacy Mosley]

Chicago ain't really ready to be doing the magic. But you might be tied. You might be too tied to the magic, though. Cause, you know, like, all the black people ended up in Chicago from the great migration from the South. So, you know, we might be able to source it back to the hoodoo. But I have heard this one about Beyonce, weirdly enough. Like, one of my older aunts would say that. And I was like, auntie, don't say that. Beyonce did not have Aaliyah Keela. She was like, she did. And she was like, I love her. And she did. I was like, I love Beyonce at first of all. Mm. Y'all not gonna catch me talking about my queen. So that's absolute zero for me. Absolutely not. I love my queen.

[David Borey]

And why. Why specifically did your aunt believe Beyonce to have murdered Aaliyah?

[Lacy Mosley]

I mean, you know, I think it's the same thing in music when you see like rappers, like, I'm not gonna say that one lady name. Cause her fans are unemployed and evil. But you know, that one lady with the horrible fans and all the other rapper girlies, it's like for some reason our industry is always just like there can only. So I feel like a lot of people look at Beyonce's career and compare it to like when she was just breaking out of Destiny's Child and thinking like, oh, well, Aaliyah would have all that stuff that Beyonce got if she was alive. And it's like one person can't do all the jobs and have all the songs and do all the things. So Beyonce would have been Beyonce regardless. She was born Beyonce. The woman was. I learned how to like, sing from musical theater, learning from Matthew Knowles. Like, he would have them girls on the treadmill singing. Do you know how hard it is to sing and run? Like that's how you get birth control. Like, she was always going to be Beyonce.

[Langston Kerman]

Right?

[David Borey]

It is very hard.

[Langston Kerman]

So.

[Lacy Mosley]

But. But because people like to find a reason to hate on her and she don't talk to us no more. Which shout out to her, I need to stop talking. I think the damage is done. The damage is done.

[David Borey]

Well, if you were planning on stopping, you shouldn't have come here today.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, this is.

[David Borey]

What a silly choice.

[Lacy Mosley]

Call my lawyer after this to be like, might have the same lawyer after today.

[David Borey]

I'm gonna be reasonable. Like, what are you talking about?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, you keep rubbing yaakub's.

[Lacy Mosley]

Head.

[Langston Kerman]

It's not going good.

[Lacy Mosley]

See, this is what's wrong. I rubbed this like the Apollo.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

And now I'm over here. See, Yaqub did something to me. I think everybody should rub it. No, but I think they were just hating on Beyonce. I don't agree with that one. I'm not gonna rule Puffy out of it, but I don't think Jay Z and Beyonce were trying to get Aaliyah murdered.

[David Borey]

Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

So just my question would be, if I had to pick two out of those three or whatever, what stakes did Puffy have in it versus that?

[David Borey]

I've never understood, and I'm not really clear about it in.

[Lacy Mosley]

I feel like he was a late ad. She wasn't on Batman, Jay Z, and Beyonce. And then once Diddy did all that stuff, they added him to put more credence to the claim.

[Langston Kerman]

Right. Like, and you know, he killed Aaliyah.

[Lacy Mosley]

They just threw that one on.

[David Borey]

The general sort of, like, explanation, and I find it to be a lazy one, is that Diddy is. Is the. Is hip hop's Jeffrey Epstein and that, like, he is sort of like Shadow man, the curator of all sort of, like, bad behavior and pedophilia and shit. And in that way would be like chess playing chess with lives above us.

[Langston Kerman]

But, I mean, I think there's another man that we look to directly involved with Aaliyah if we're playing that game. Right?

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Being Jay Z.

[Langston Kerman]

No, R. Kelly. What?

[Lacy Mosley]

R. Kelly.

[David Borey]

Oh, R. Kelly. Yeah, R. Kelly. I don't know has ever amassed any real power.

[Lacy Mosley]

And I don't even think it's because he didn't amass power. He was very prevalent in the industry. I think it's because, I mean, obviously we knew Danik couldn't read. So people who can't read, we don't really think of them as masterminds. I think, like, of the criteria think.

[Langston Kerman]

Of them as dumb.

[Lacy Mosley]

Mastermind is like, you have to be able to, like, read. He was a genius. But it's like, you can't really be doing, like, subterfuge if you can't, you know, read a four syllable word. You can't.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't know. I don't want to be here. Caping for R. Kelly.

[David Borey]

First of all.

[Langston Kerman]

No, first of all, that's not.

[Lacy Mosley]

Don't frame it.

[Langston Kerman]

No, I'm not saying you're doing it.

[David Borey]

That's not what he.

[Lacy Mosley]

See. Y'all trying to set me up.

[Langston Kerman]

Yo, you can't jump out the window.

[Lacy Mosley]

I should have known. Y'all was trying to set my ass up. I'm leaving. I can't believe this. Wow.

[Langston Kerman]

We don't validate, by the way.

[Lacy Mosley]

It'd be a long.

[David Borey]

We're on.

[Langston Kerman]

We're on 107. I don't validate.

[David Borey]

You say for it yourself.

[Langston Kerman]

We're basically 107 in park.

[David Borey]

We could validate. We're choosing not to. If you leave early, that's on you. You make your choice.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, wow. Wow.

[David Borey]

No, I think ultimately what it's suggesting is, or rather what I'm suggesting is that Diddy has amassed a level of, like, money and influence that we never actually saw with R. Kelly.

[Langston Kerman]

Right.

[David Borey]

Like, R. Kelly certainly had the ear of the people at a time, but it was never like, nobody was like. And the 500th richest man in the world, Robert Kelly, like, he seemed like he mismanaged money the whole way through it.

[Langston Kerman]

Right.

[David Borey]

You know what I mean?

[Lacy Mosley]

No, I agree with you. And also, I mean, he was so dumb that every crime he did, he did out loud. Like, you know, we all know about, like, the gross relationship he had with so many youngsters, women including nothing but a number. Yeah, I mean, he wrote hella creepy ass songs. He was literally just being like, I'm a nasty creepy man. But the beat would be so good. Everybody's like, oh, I'm a nasty creepy man.

[David Borey]

And I do like nasty creepy man. It's a good song.

[Lacy Mosley]

He was sitting, you know, on the couch with her at you know what, like talk shows. And like, they were loud. They were loud with it. But the timing of it was like, we hate women, so we too busy to look at this man.

[David Borey]

And thank God we're past that. Thank God we've reached an hour. Everyone loves women. If a young girl were sitting next to a creepy pedophile, we did.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, listen, I think that creepy men being gone is good for men and women.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Yeah, I think we agree.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, it is. You're winning too.

[Langston Kerman]

No, I wasn't. Stolen valor at all.

[David Borey]

I'll be honest.

[Lacy Mosley]

Creep friends off the streets.

[David Borey]

I'll be honest. I want to be clear. It's not fixed at all.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, it's not.

[Langston Kerman]

We're doing a good job.

[David Borey]

If anybody at home was starting to miss read this, you're.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, gosh. Media literacy is gone. I hope that was. I hate how we have to say it's a joke now. Like, God damn it.

[Langston Kerman]

Lyrics. Nothing fun.

[Lacy Mosley]

She is read no more.

[Langston Kerman]

Nothing's fun. Remember when we could just come on here and say some crazy shit? We didn't mean amen.

[Lacy Mosley]

Much like Beyonce. And this is another reason why I wanna say it's not Beyonce. There's stories about Beyonce where, like, she's been in situations that have become compromising that had nothing to do with her, you know, and she would be like, okay, we gotta leave. Like, literally hop in the car and go.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, she's like, somebody pull a pistol or something.

[Lacy Mosley]

Image conscious. Yeah. Anything that looks shady. Like, she was not about to be up and under or around that. And I don't see her as, like, she's too busy. I don't see anybody trying to plot on Aaliyah.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't see that as her get down at all. I think, like.

[Lacy Mosley]

But I've heard it.

[David Borey]

I've heard it.

[Langston Kerman]

Doing what it takes for success, working really hard, sprinting on the treadmill, singing. That makes sense to me. That killing. Taking somebody out doesn't feel. I feel like.

[Lacy Mosley]

And she knows how to do it.

[Langston Kerman]

I feel like she wants to get it the right way, too. Like, she wants to be like, no.

[David Borey]

I'm better than now. While I. While I don't disagree with you all, I think I tend to agree with where you're at. I'm curious to hear. I'm curious to hear how you all address the Jay Z of the conversation. Because we've covered Diddy, we've covered Beyonce. Everybody seems to be skipping past the Jay Z. And Jay Z, as we well know, met Beyonce very young, began a relationship with her at a arguably illegal age.

[Lacy Mosley]

Tread lightly, Lace. I don't have to turn my chair around like the Voice.

[David Borey]

Look, I'm just providing information that's been provided for me.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes.

[Langston Kerman]

You know what, man? This podcast can get us in so much trouble now.

[Lacy Mosley]

Keep reading. Keep reading.

[David Borey]

Not today.

[Langston Kerman]

We're not reading.

[Lacy Mosley]

Lace is reading. This is what they said.

[David Borey]

I will say that also involved with Aaliyah, though had a pre existing relationship with Aaliyah also when she was very young.

[Lacy Mosley]

But I always heard that he wanted to be with her. But she was with Dame Dash.

[David Borey]

She was dating Dame Dash in a public.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, so Jay Z's age, right?

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

I'm not saying it's better.

[David Borey]

Did y'all see that his teeth fell out of his head the other day?

[Langston Kerman]

Damn. Come on, man.

[Lacy Mosley]

Damn.

[Langston Kerman]

Can we just have one black man that I looked up to in my teens with his teeth? Yeah, can we just have one?

[David Borey]

His teeth left the party already, my boy. Whole teeth fell out. So, yeah, he shouldn't have dated Aaliyah. But the point. The point is I am curious to know where you all stand in the Jay Z conspiracy, whether you believe it or don't believe the possibility.

[Langston Kerman]

If we're speaking conspiracy wise, I would assume that the play was probably to do the same thing with Aaliyah, and it just didn't work out. So it seems like he just focused his attention or something. Right. Like, I don't.

[Lacy Mosley]

What do you mean, do the same thing?

[Langston Kerman]

I think it was probably like, hey, me and you, you're all young. And then we come, we become this great thing together.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, like a couple.

[Langston Kerman]

Like a building a powerful.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, but she ain't want it.

[Langston Kerman]

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, but I don't think that. That. I don't think that that led to him, like, trying to get her killed.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, listen. They're too litigious. But I will say that I have heard that theory a lot. That's a good point. So there's a lot of theories around. There's also a lot of theories around J. Cole. She knows songs that have to do with other conspiracy theor. Because of the sample track that's in the back. I forget who the actual song is by, but I've actually heard the original song, and it's a little more, like, demonic sounding and slower. Yeah, but it's such a great beat underneath. But you know, black folks, anything with the children singing in a spooky way, they were like, that's the devil. You know? They up in the Illuminati. I'm like, I'm here to tell you if there is an Illuminati. I have not gotten there yet, and I've really been looking. I'm like, how many jobs do I have to do before I get invited to, like, a masked.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, how many more Dolores have to be sacrificed for you to get your seat at the table?

[Lacy Mosley]

She is alive.

[Langston Kerman]

Says you. I don't know.

[Lacy Mosley]

You can, like, she be in my Instagram comments all the time. Okay. It's in Spanish.

[David Borey]

It stands out.

[Langston Kerman]

How do you say blink in Spanish?

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, God, I do not remember Blink para ayudar, Dolores.

[David Borey]

Now let's talk a little bit about Aaliyah's official. She dies in a plane crash leaving the Bahamas.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes, they shot her.

[David Borey]

They were in the Bahamas. They're leaving. She takes off. There are eight people on the plane. They make it 200ft off of the Runway before they eventually crash. She is said to have died of, like, a head injury and then burned severe, like, burn fires and shit. Five of the eight people die in stock Three people survive but then die, like, a week later.

[Langston Kerman]

How old was she?

[David Borey]

She was like, 20. Something, something. Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

Well, while he's looking at that, what always struck me as odd.

[David Borey]

22 years old.

[Lacy Mosley]

22.

[Langston Kerman]

God damn.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, it struck me really odd because one, they had just shot another music video in Miami, and then they were flying to shoot that one. Apparently, it was like a dancer just came out and did an interview about this, like, this week. So she was dancing, like, with them because Aaliyah wasn't on the plane with all the dancers. Like, there were multiple tiny planes that they took to the Bahamas. And she said she remembered walking up to the plane and being like, what is this? Like? I guess it was like, you know, small and kind of like a little rinky dink. But it was like multiple little planes. And when they went to the Bahamas to shoot there, like, when they were leaving, they were trying to rush her to get back to the States because they had some kind of impending. You know how it is. It's like, go, go, go. When you're a young music artist, they are gonna hoe you. They're like, you got all the energy. Your cells are regenerating every night. Bitch, you about to work from D till dawn. Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

As a young person in the industry, I understand.

[Lacy Mosley]

I mean, listen, we're all young.

[David Borey]

We get.

[Lacy Mosley]

We're all young bus. But another club. Come on, seat, plane.

[David Borey]

That's my lifestyle.

[Langston Kerman]

We're all 25.

[Lacy Mosley]

So then. So they were trying to rush her to get back, and she was like, I want to get on this plane. And the pilot. And this is where I don't understand, because we are black. And I know maybe once you get the music industry into it and you're rich and famous and let's go, go, go. Maybe you start. But if a pilot ever told me the plane was too heavy, oh, you're not getting my black ass on that plane.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, that seems crazy.

[Lacy Mosley]

Like, I'm sorry. Any type of doubt you have about flying.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

And these days, the plane's coming apart so damn bad. I see black folks walking onto the plane, like, touching the sides and shit before they walk onto the plane. You know, I have never seen more people read a safety manual on a commercial flight than, like, after what happened in D.C. happened with that crash.

[Langston Kerman]

Which airline, though?

[Lacy Mosley]

All the airlines now, except for Spirit. That's the one who's planning. It's not even in the crash.

[David Borey]

Out in the sky, their shit off. They knew and were like, hey, we might be in trouble.

[Lacy Mosley]

They don't Crash on the ground, they crash out in the sky and they land safely. Okay, that's true. But these days, you know, a smooth takeoff and landing are not guaranteed. You really be like hoping it comes back down to the ground.

[David Borey]

To your point. I think there are a fair amount of examples, at least in reading of people being like, hey, this plane is not safe for travel. Like, it wasn't just like, oh, she took off because she wanted to. Multiple people were like, hey, this plane is a problem. And then the production and the everybody else around her kept being like, nah, we gotta go, we gotta go, we gotta go, we gotta go.

[Lacy Mosley]

I read a bunch and I don't know if this is true, obviously this is a conspiracy theory, but I read a bunch that they gave her a sedative like to get her to relax.

[Langston Kerman]

On the plane, but if it only got 200ft. Well, but it was before takeoff.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, before takeoff, like she did not want to get on that plane. Is what has been a testimony that has been consistent, you know, for 20 years, 20 some odd years now. And personally I, I heard at one point that there was like equipment on the plane as well or there's something that was weighing the plane down. The plane was just too heavy.

[David Borey]

I don't know if it was 700 pounds overweight.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

For what it, it could actually carry. And they, they blamed it on the passengers and their baggage because I think something happened with the original flight that they were or plane that they were supposed to take and then they substituted it with a smaller plane than even the original one. And then that one was way overweight and they had too much shit. Or they, it was something either that or it was like they needed more people on it than they previously had. Point being, 700 pounds overweight, plane falls out the sky instantly.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, it was, it was a fucking mess. But that always blew me though because I'm like, this is like your precious artist. And like you're throwing them on a plane that. I'm sorry, anybody who's operating anything motor wise, you could tell me a motor scooter. You're like, oh, it's not really safe, I'm not getting on it. You could give me two rollerblades and be like, I don't know, one of the wheels kind of funny. I'd be like, great, I'm gonna walk. Like, I'm not getting in any mode of transportation. That someone who is an expert in that field was like, I don't think we should do this. So. And that's the one thing of the arrogance of being rich that I've never understood is like, okay, you need everything so immediate. I don't need anything so immediate that I'm finna die. Okay. I just imagine that I'm dead so I don't have to do things I don't wanna do, like, obligations. I don't do that for.

[David Borey]

Like.

[Langston Kerman]

That's true.

[Lacy Mosley]

I'm not, like, I'm too busy to live.

[David Borey]

It's also.

[Langston Kerman]

I mean, I don't know, if I was rich, if I've made it to being super wealthy, I'd probably be pretty reckless. I believe in God, all that I'm rich.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

What are the odds that I got here?

[Lacy Mosley]

The richer I am, the later I should be able to be.

[Langston Kerman]

That's true.

[David Borey]

You really locked into that right away.

[Langston Kerman]

No, that is. That is profound.

[David Borey]

That's. That's, like, everything that we've spent our lives being mad at, and you're like, nah, it makes sense to me. As soon as it's my opportunity. Yeah, I'm gonna love that.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Right now I only have enough money or success to be, like, seven minutes late.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I was gonna say you were pretty good.

[Lacy Mosley]

I actually was here. I was three minutes late, but then it was like I was trying to get in.

[Langston Kerman]

Get your paper up.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, but, like, seven minutes is all you can really do where I am in Life, because, like, 10 is too much. It's like, bitch, what is your problem? You know, like, five. That's not enough lateness for me.

[Langston Kerman]

You don't feel like you get 10 in Los Angeles? I feel like Los Angeles, you get a flat 10.

[Lacy Mosley]

See, I want to still be seen as professional. So if you get a 10, then people are like, wow, they coming 10 minutes late.

[David Borey]

7.

[Lacy Mosley]

They not really looking. And by the time they look, you can pretend you were already in the building for at least two minutes. So then it turns into five.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I was going to say seven comes down to five real.

[Lacy Mosley]

And then everybody need five minutes when they show up. Anyway. Anyway, like, when I got here, you were like, oh, let me run to the restroom real quick. See, you needed some time. So now in your mind, I was on time, you say, right?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

Black math for time.

[Langston Kerman]

And he was sleep five minutes.

[David Borey]

Okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, I don't like that. Okay, Langston, that was your shady. Okay.

[David Borey]

Yeah, it was.

[Langston Kerman]

He's really talented. He does a lot with his voice.

[Lacy Mosley]

He could do a lot with his work.

[Langston Kerman]

He's very impressive.

[Lacy Mosley]

He's, like, moving on now. We're moving on.

[David Borey]

So you. It sounds like Neither of you are very sold on the possibility that there were any. That Jay Z, Beyonce, or Diddy were the they, the ultimate theys.

[Langston Kerman]

I think it was a tragic accident. I really do. I really do.

[David Borey]

You lean closer to tragic accident Now, Lacy, before we go to this last break and get into the voicemail, my question for you is. You started here at seven. That's how you introduced yourself to us.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Who represents the seven in that day, if it ain't Jesus, Jay Z, Beyonce, Diddy. And it sounds like you're also not saying R. Kelly because you didn't believe him to be bright enough.

[Lacy Mosley]

He's fucking dumb and weird and bad.

[David Borey]

Sorry.

[Lacy Mosley]

You're not even the contention. Because you're fucking mush for brains, bitch.

[Langston Kerman]

Learn how to read. Then.

[David Borey]

You could kill a bitch with an airplane. Wow.

[Lacy Mosley]

911 likes to. Came out again. Wow.

[David Borey]

That one goes on for a long time.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, it's really longer than I had expected.

[David Borey]

Now. Did you learn something?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I'm not gonna do it.

[Lacy Mosley]

There were some other people who were maybe familially involved in her finances and her music and still are. Wow. You know how you. You know how your parents be having siblings?

[David Borey]

Her uncle.

[Lacy Mosley]

I ain't say.

[David Borey]

That is certainly.

[Lacy Mosley]

I didn't say how your parents be having siblings.

[David Borey]

I merely. And I'm gonna finish. Her uncle is a problematic figure in the history of Aaliyah. He is the one who held up her music for a long time, who got the rights to her music, I believe, and was like, sort of, where are her parents? I think her uncle was her manager at one point.

[Lacy Mosley]

Something like that. He was involved.

[Langston Kerman]

It always felt like people weren't taking care of her like they should, just even to be as young as she was involved. Like, it felt like. It always felt like we're.

[Lacy Mosley]

I could have a family member be like an assistant who comes with me everywhere, but when it comes.

[Langston Kerman]

But if your auntie's coming everywhere, you.

[Lacy Mosley]

Weren'T in the music industry before you were. You're not gonna.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, but also, if your auntie's coming everywhere with you, it's like, then why is R. Kelly wearing a matching ticker shirt with.

[David Borey]

They weren't.

[Lacy Mosley]

They weren't going everywhere with her on them tour buses and stuff. They were not there. Yeah.

[David Borey]

And I. I think that. I would argue that's also a type of complicit.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, no. It's beyond. I would say at that point, they were like, you're the same as him to me. Which is why I didn't understand in the first iteration of that documented surviving that illiterate, creepy, rapey man that they had a guy who was his main guy, who was in it, like one of his security or something. The one who actually forged the birth certificate for Aaliyah so that they could get married. He didn't have. He wasn't behind no black curtain. He didn't do no voice alteration. This nigga was sitting here in 4k just telling these stories, like, he still didn't realize. I'm like, bro, you need to be in prison. Like, are we?

[David Borey]

Yeah, you get on the documentary and.

[Langston Kerman]

Just say, you weren't the one. People really let that shit slide.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, I saw memes of him. We were like, sir, you saw memes?

[David Borey]

But did you see accountability?

[Langston Kerman]

Because I feel like that's regular. Regularly documentaries about terrible people. They'll be like, and I don't know what I was doing. And I. You know what I mean?

[David Borey]

Have y'all ever seen. And we need to throw to this second break. But. But have y'all ever seen Abducted in Plain Sight?

[Langston Kerman]

No.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Yeah, It's. It's one of the most insane documentaries I've ever seen in my life, where it basically is about this. This family and a neighbor who. You met the lady.

[Lacy Mosley]

I met the lady who does it in Plain Sight.

[David Borey]

I assume with your podcast, you.

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, well, no, no. We don't get that dark over there, but I was at the New York magazine. I did a Conde Nast interview for her because they made it a television show, and so she was there, and I was there with the cast, interviewing all of them, but I spent some time talking to her. Yeah, it's crazy.

[David Borey]

She essentially strikes up the neighbor. She's like 10. The neighbor strikes up a relationship with her, even though there's, like, 10 kids in the house.

[Lacy Mosley]

And he got kids, too. The neighbor got kids, too.

[David Borey]

So starts hanging out with this little kid to the point that she's having independent sleepovers at this man's house. He's coming and sleeping at their house to be with the child, and the parents are fully aware of it the entire time. And after, like, years of her then being brainwashed and then abducted and, like, kept from her family and then eventually released back to her family, the mom had the audacity to write a book to be like, yo, I. I, too, was suffering through this.

[Lacy Mosley]

Well, the mom was hooking up with him, and the mom was fucking weird.

[David Borey]

The dad was fucking the man. It all was crazy.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, the dad and him had, like, a little diddling session, but the mom.

[David Borey]

And him were mad he sucked his penis.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, it was like a. Yeah, it was like a. Yeah, but I don't like this. It was funny.

[David Borey]

It's fucked up.

[Lacy Mosley]

But the way that it happens is, like, slow and insidious. And the creepy man also had children, so it was kind of like he would be under the guise of, like, oh, sleepovers with the kids and da da. And it was a very religious town. All the girlies was in the church, knew each other. So it was very like, you know, it was weird. But that. Back to your point of R. Kelly, you know, talking about, like, how that happens in front of your face, like, imagine that creepy ass, man. But then let's add R. Kelly's fame and money to that. Of course he was able to, like, you know, do all that shit because people will, you know, look over a lot of shit when they're trying to go out.

[David Borey]

Look, if my neighbor could make. I wish. I don't know what they could do to my kids, it would terrify me.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, Officer, he's right there.

[David Borey]

I'm so.

[Langston Kerman]

Just as long as it needed to.

[Lacy Mosley]

We needed the whole thing.

[Langston Kerman]

Y.

[David Borey]

Anything could happen. This nigga's singing so beautifully.

[Langston Kerman]

Voices in my head be telling me to go to church.

[Lacy Mosley]

No. Oh, my God.

[David Borey]

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[Lacy Mosley]

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[David Borey]

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[Lacy Mosley]

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[Lacy Mosley]

And boom goes the dynamite.

[Langston Kerman]

We are back.

[David Borey]

I thought you were going to say more. You just like, nope, we're back.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, yeah. I'm not very good at it still.

[David Borey]

Okay, well, we're back here with Lacy Mosley. We're still discussing the possibility that a. That a royal. They got Aaliyah. And specifically, it seems like you've landed on an argument for yourself.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yes, I have.

[David Borey]

In a familial sense.

[Lacy Mosley]

A familial day.

[David Borey]

A familial day. We'd like to maybe listen to a fan voicemail together. This is the first time we're ever doing this with a guest, so we have no idea how this is gonna go.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

This is a new cigarette and we're calling it. I thought something was gonna come to me.

[David Borey]

Yeah, I was really hoping. Cause I'm not like, I'm not really prepared.

[Langston Kerman]

You know how sometimes you just like. Do you ever let your charm fill in the blanks? Yeah.

[Lacy Mosley]

You did a lot of eye movement.

[Langston Kerman]

It was a lot of legs that's panicking.

[David Borey]

It's a segment. That's what it looks like.

[Lacy Mosley]

What?

[David Borey]

I thought of it. I thought of it. It's a segment called yo mama Calling. And we go, son of a bitch.

[Lacy Mosley]

I like your mama calling your mama calling your mom on the phone.

[David Borey]

Your mama mama on the phone. And yeah, I like your mama on the phone. Here we go. This is a voicemail. You've heard. I haven't heard it. I'm excited to enjoy it.

[Langston Kerman]

It's fucking.

[Lacy Mosley]

I haven't heard it either.

[David Borey]

There we go. All right. I'm jerking off.

[Langston Kerman]

I want the world to know nothing, like, I'm jerking off.

[Lacy Mosley]

Did he say I'm jerking off? Yes, I'm jerk.

[David Borey]

David, why would you have us play this?

[Lacy Mosley]

Because I had to hear that, and.

[Langston Kerman]

Nobody else wanted to acknowledge it. That's just my house. No, somebody's calling us jacking off.

[David Borey]

Why would you make us play with her here?

[Lacy Mosley]

I thought it was gonna be like, a question or a story.

[Langston Kerman]

No, no.

[David Borey]

I thought there'd be more to it.

[Langston Kerman]

No, no, no, no.

[David Borey]

Jesus Christ.

[Langston Kerman]

I mean, I could pick another one. It's just. What do you guys think about that?

[David Borey]

I don't like.

[Lacy Mosley]

What did you think?

[David Borey]

I didn't like it.

[Lacy Mosley]

You thought he was gonna be like, I love it?

[Langston Kerman]

No.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, I didn't.

[Langston Kerman]

I needed to not be the. I needed not to be the only one inside it.

[David Borey]

This is our first time doing this.

[Langston Kerman]

Segment, and then I was worried that. I was worried that maybe I was over. I thought that I was overjudging this person.

[David Borey]

We. We.

[Langston Kerman]

I kind of thought you guys were gonna be like, oh, I don't think he's jacking off.

[David Borey]

Why would he lie?

[Langston Kerman]

I don't know that guy.

[Lacy Mosley]

Also, I didn't listen that deep. Like, I heard him kind of singing it, but at the. It was so low and breathy. He probably think he was.

[David Borey]

That's how you know it's real.

[Lacy Mosley]

But was he doing that for y'all? Like, was he doing that to y'all?

[Langston Kerman]

I've had nobody to unpack it with.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

So the girl doesn't want to hear it.

[David Borey]

This is like, so you take it to me.

[Lacy Mosley]

So you took it to me.

[Langston Kerman]

I send you a lot of stuff I don't send to my girl Langston.

[David Borey]

That's true.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm sorry you caught astray.

[Lacy Mosley]

I did catch astray.

[Langston Kerman]

That sucks. That is.

[Lacy Mosley]

That is more than one bullet. I'm like, cleo, set it off right now.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, you motherfucker.

[David Borey]

Beat the bullet, like, wanted. I was really listening. Blasted me in the head. It go that way.

[Langston Kerman]

I just really wanted it to be a psa Also to. Don't do that, please.

[David Borey]

Yeah, don't.

[Langston Kerman]

You got to stop doing that.

[Lacy Mosley]

What do you mean, got to stop? Are there more of them?

[David Borey]

I don't know.

[Langston Kerman]

Have not heard them.

[David Borey]

But we certainly don't want to encourage that kind of.

[Langston Kerman]

We got to nip that in the bud.

[Lacy Mosley]

I think he aired it, though. I feel like airing it is encouraging.

[Langston Kerman]

You think that's what he wanted? I, I, I. I also don't think he.

[David Borey]

I bet he didn't want that in anonymity. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I think he wanted to know you heard it.

[David Borey]

Yeah. I think you did. So.

[Lacy Mosley]

And now he knows, because I don't.

[Langston Kerman]

Think it was for me.

[Lacy Mosley]

Now you're gonna get so many. At least pick different songs to parody, y'all.

[Langston Kerman]

I thought that was the best part about it. I thought it was an okay song.

[Lacy Mosley]

So you liked that part?

[Langston Kerman]

I like that song.

[Lacy Mosley]

So you liked part.

[David Borey]

I want the world to know not.

[Lacy Mosley]

To let it show.

[Langston Kerman]

You never just do that around the house.

[David Borey]

Gross.

[Lacy Mosley]

Pretty good.

[Langston Kerman]

You could do that with so many things. I'm making rice. Or whatever you are. It's like a placeholder song.

[David Borey]

Lacy, I don't know that another voicemail is gonna solve our problems. So you joined us today, and I think it was a great episode.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, no, I'm sorry. I thought that bit was gonna go. I don't know what I thought was gonna happen. To be completely.

[Lacy Mosley]

You did not set us up at all. Like, I really thought he was like, yeah, it's a really interesting voice, man. Like that. It was Teresante.

[Langston Kerman]

You're gonna think about it after.

[David Borey]

Nah, you played it real quick.

[Lacy Mosley]

I wanna think about that, but it's gonna come up. I felt like a threat.

[Langston Kerman]

You're gonna be making rice.

[Lacy Mosley]

You're gonna be like, y'all are. Wait, I'm not validating my part. Now I gotta sing. I'm jacking off also. I don't. There's not really anything to jack anatomically. It's a diddle situation. Or a dj.

[David Borey]

Yeah, don't call it diddle. You don't want to call it diddle. Oh, no.

[Lacy Mosley]

We have to take diddle out. Diddle used to be a fun word for.

[David Borey]

I don't think he did.

[Langston Kerman]

No, I think it's always kind of it.

[David Borey]

I think. You don't get to get away with that one. No. Diddle was cool back in the day.

[Lacy Mosley]

No.

[Langston Kerman]

When I was in school, we used to dit them.

[David Borey]

No, ma'am. No, ma'am, no, no, no. I don't know what. What awful people raised you, but no, ma'am.

[Lacy Mosley]

Now they got to be.

[Langston Kerman]

Don't put that on DeLorean. Don't put that on DeLorean.

[David Borey]

She don't even say them words.

[Lacy Mosley]

Wow.

[David Borey]

That doesn't translate.

[Lacy Mosley]

I've lost so much during this episode.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Lacey, could you tell the people where they can find you what cool shit you have?

[Lacy Mosley]

Oh, yes. You can find me at D I V A L, A C I D with Lacey on all platforms. You can find my podcast all about comedy, robbery, fraud, Scam Goddess, anywhere. You get your podcast and you can read my book, Scam Goddess. There's an audiobook available anywhere you get audiobooks, and the hard copy books are also available. Scam Goddess. If you want to learn my memoir, that's also paired with my favorite true crime, and it's all about robberies. Watch Scam Goddess on Hulu and also watch Going Dutch on Hulu. Yeah, there it is. I kept going.

[David Borey]

No, it's great. Most people don't have shit.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I get my audiobooks on Audible.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah. Yeah. Is that there.

[Langston Kerman]

I think they're robbing me.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, we're not.

[David Borey]

No, Audible's cool.

[Langston Kerman]

You don't feel like sometimes you're like, why I got so many credits? I don't feel like I pay a subscription to these.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, Audible's like a family member. Oh, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[David Borey]

Yeah, they just. They're worried about you, that's all.

[Lacy Mosley]

Yeah, that's all. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

They said the plan.

[Lacy Mosley]

They check in. Listen, Domino's Pizza. Always gonna hit you up. Audible. Always gonn.

[David Borey]

Domino's. Find a way to hit me up even after I've been like, domino's, please stop.

[Lacy Mosley]

Honestly, I feel like it's probably done more help than the suicide highlight, because they really be hitting people up. They're like, you hungry, bae?

[David Borey]

They find you when you feel low.

[Lacy Mosley]

When you feel low. They're like, domino's, we're here. We got a new cheesy crust.

[David Borey]

We got you, and it's not new. It's the same.

[Langston Kerman]

No, it's the same crust.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, they said they never had the cheesy crust.

[David Borey]

I know, but it tastes the same inside.

[Lacy Mosley]

Y'all ate it.

[David Borey]

I just mean there's nothing new at Domino. Domino's is wow.

[Lacy Mosley]

To end the show with another conspiracy theory. You ain't even had the cheesy crust.

[Langston Kerman]

No, listen, I live by a Papa John's.

[Lacy Mosley]

I believe Domino's isn't that racist ass pizza.

[David Borey]

I believe Domino's is the finest pizza ever made. I'm a big fan. No, I think it's phenomenal.

[Langston Kerman]

The finest pizza ever made.

[David Borey]

I'm willing to stand on it.

[Lacy Mosley]

Okay. I'm gonna put one foot on it.

[David Borey]

Okay.

[Lacy Mosley]

I can't quite stand on it, but I'm lean.

[David Borey]

Domino's is perfect pizza as far as I'm concerned. But I also recognize that Domino's is perfect pizza in the way that I think that, like, smut is, like, perfect. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's like nasty things are perfect.

[Langston Kerman]

Like porno.

[David Borey]

Yeah. Just the vileness of the human experience is what makes it human. And that is why I like Domino's. It is just like the most base desires mashed together for my eating. It is not a fine product. It is just the essence of everything that pleases me.

[Langston Kerman]

He's too good at talking.

[David Borey]

It tastes good. Just say it tastes good.

[Lacy Mosley]

I can't believe he did all that.

[David Borey]

I like it.

[Lacy Mosley]

It was. I feel like an ankh just, like, appeared mid air.

[Langston Kerman]

I feel like an ankh just appeared midair.

[Lacy Mosley]

It's not an unknown.

[David Borey]

We unk together. We not unknown. We not unk.

[Lacy Mosley]

Y'all not unk.

[Langston Kerman]

No, thank you. Say it again. Yeah. Oh, but say it to the camera. Say, y'all not unk.

[Lacy Mosley]

Y'all not unk.

[Langston Kerman]

Thank you.

[Lacy Mosley]

If you hate cops just because of.

[Langston Kerman]

Cops, the next time you get in.

[David Borey]

Trouble, call a Crackhead.

[Langston Kerman]

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[David Borey]

Yeah. And follow me at Langston Kerman on all social media platforms. You can see my special, it's called Bad Poetry. It's on Netflix. You can watch Everybody's Live with John Mulaney on Netflix every Wednesday at 7pm Pacific. And it's a really fun show that I'm happy to be a part of. And most importantly, you can send us your own drops, your own conspiracies if you want to tell us Dolores whereabouts, send it all to mymamapodmail.com we would love to hear from you. Give us a call at 8-44-LIL-MOMS. Don't you jerk off at us no more, please. We do not like that. Please stop and buy the merch. Like, subscribe rate, review. Do all the things that make a podcast pop and pop that pussy. Bye, bitch. Come on.

[Langston Kerman]

Hell no. No, no, no. Hell no. Hell to the no. Hell to the no to the no.

[Lacy Mosley]

No, no, no, no.

[David Borey]

My Mama Told Me is a production of Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network and I Heart Podcast, created and hosted by Langston Kerman, co hosted by David.

[Langston Kerman]

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[David Borey]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Borey]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Borey]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[Lacy Mosley]

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[David Borey]

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[Lacy Mosley]

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[Langston Kerman]

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