The Moon Landing was Fake (with Larry Wilmore)

Summary

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Podcast Summary: My Momma Told Me — "The Moon Landing was Fake (with Larry Wilmore)"

Podcast: My Momma Told Me
Host(s): Langston Kerman & David Gborie
Guest: Larry Wilmore
Date: April 21, 2026
Network: Big Money Players Network & iHeartPodcasts

Episode Overview

In this episode, comedians Langston Kerman and David Gborie welcome acclaimed writer and satirist Larry Wilmore to tackle the enduring conspiracy theory that the 1969 moon landing was faked. With their signature irreverent humor and cultural insight, they discuss why the theory persists, the nature of conspiratorial thinking, and examine (and gently roast) the most common arguments from moon-landing deniers. The episode also digresses into everything from Black nerd culture, historical memory, and O.J. Simpson conspiracies, to the proper way to eat French fries.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Enduring Moon Landing Conspiracy

[14:48+]

• Topic Introduction: Larry Wilmore brings in the theory: My Mama Told Me the moon landing was fake.

• Wilmore’s Stance:

  "It's the most ridiculous theory ever that is based on the thinnest of assumptions and suppositions and just ignores everything that is true about real life in every single way. It's crazy to me." (15:02, Wilmore)

• Langston’s Framing: The hosts clarify the theory’s popularity, the specifics (from full denial to claims only the footage was faked), and audience fascination.

• Wilmore’s Core Argument:

  • Conspiracy theorists "demand evidence for the obvious, but require you to swallow the preposterous." (15:31)
  • Being a "witness" to the space era carries weight; he’s part of the "moonshot generation"—grew up obsessed with space and NASA.
  • NASA’s credibility comes from it being an organization run by nerds:

    "There's no more honorable group than nerds ... They will be the first one to call you out on misinformation." (18:24, Wilmore)
    He argues that nerds, even if difficult, care most about truth and would not have enabled or participated in a cover-up.

2. Tackling Conspiracy Mechanics & Famous Arguments

[20:59+]

• Wilmore: Explains why a secret of that scale could not be kept—not with the number of literal rocket scientists who would have to be in on the lie, including international observers and hundreds of thousands of workers.

• Kubrick Theory Dismissed:

  "If you know anything about Stanley Kubrick, the last thing he's gonna do is something like this. Spielberg could barely get Kubrick on the phone. You know, Stanley Kubrick is gonna do something for the government, for Christ's sakes?" (21:39, Wilmore)

• Reenactment Claims:

  • The guests break down the argument that the moon landing footage was a staged piece, even if the trip itself happened (22:07–26:50).
  • Wilmore points out that TV simulations were standard then, and, ironically, "It was easier to go to the moon in 1968 than convincingly fake going to the moon. Now, it's easier to fake going than to actually go." (23:20, Wilmore)
  • He debunks the notion of needing to "resell" the public on the moon landing with doctored video.

Notable Analogies:

• Comparing the demand for a reshot moon landing video to "reshooting a championship game" for TV:

  "That's like, you watched a great championship between the Lakers and the Celtics... And somebody thinks they have to reshoot it to sell it to the public..." (26:36, Wilmore)

3. The Science & Technical Points

[45:35+]

• Wilmore systematically debunks the classic "evidence" used by moon-landing deniers:

  • No Stars in Photos: "It's daytime. There's a thing called the sun... On the moon, they don't have that, which is why the sky is black. There are no stars because there's a thing called the sun that doesn't allow you to see the stars." (45:47, Wilmore)

  • Flag 'Waving': "The flag does not wave. What they have is a flag that has a pole... It's moving as a whole unit, not like there's wind." (47:33, Wilmore)

  • No Blast Crater: Wilmore explains the misunderstanding of lunar conditions and the Apollo design.

  • Shadows & Lighting:

    "If you have multiple light sources, you will have multiple shadows. But you can't have a shadow going this way and going that way and argue there are multiple light sources... If there’s only one shadow, it’s the sun—only one light source." (51:22, Wilmore)

  • Also, he notes that the moon missions were international, with corroboration and direct observation by other nations, including adversaries.

4. Motivation, Technology & Historical Context

[54:00+]

• Technological Capability:
  • Wilmore and the hosts discuss how 1960s brainpower (engineers using slide rules, calculations by hand) is often underestimated.
  • "In the 1930s, they were splitting atoms. Like, imagine what an atom is in your mind and imagine the idea of splitting it. So they were doing that in 1930s." (56:45, Wilmore)
• National Motivation:
  • Moon missions were as much about flexing national achievement as science—"Why do we flex about everything except the shit that we actually did?" (57:21, Wilmore)

5. Digressions & Comic Relief

• The "Wigger Phase" TikTok Trend [06:11–10:55]: The group riffs on viral clips of white men treating their friendships with Black people as mistakes, linking to cultural appropriation and racial anxieties.
• O.J. Simpson Tangent [39:48–45:02]: In true "My Momma Told Me" fashion, the conversation detours into Black conspiracy lore around O.J., violence, and infamous alibis.
• French Fries “Conspiracy” [67:16–74:44]: A listener voicemail about the "right" way to eat fries (ketchup on top vs. side) provides a backdrop for playful therapeutic banter about childhood, nostalgia, and food trauma.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Moon Landing Skeptics:

  "Conspiracy theorists, they want you to...demand evidence for the obvious, but require you to swallow the preposterous." (15:31, Wilmore)

• On NASA Employees:

  "There’s no more honorable group than nerds... Nerds will be the first one to call you out on misinformation." (18:24, Wilmore)

• On Technical Limits of Faking It:

  "It was easier to go to the moon in 1968 than it was to convincingly fake going to the moon. And ironically, it's easier to fake going to the moon today than to actually go to the moon." (23:20, Wilmore)

• On Public Attitude Then vs Now:

  "We treat people in the 60s the same way we treated those motherfuckers that were scared the train was coming through and gonna, like, run them over in the movie. And that's not fair or true." (55:22, David Borey)

• Jokes on Historical Flexing:

  "Where you at, China? We ain't seen you yet. I don't see you." (57:30, Wilmore)
  "Did y'all kill that dog?...We got a guy up there." (57:41, Kerman)

• Food Therapy:

  "A psychopath puts ketchup all over the top of their french fries. A refined person of culture dips them. Argue amongst yourselves." (68:03, Listener Voicemail)

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Timeline of Important Segments

• [05:24–11:00] Banter on Black Conspiracies, Minstrelsy, and Race
• [14:48–17:32] Introduction: Moon Landing Conspiracy
• [20:59–26:50] Mechanisms of Moon-Faking (including Kubrick, reenactment, NASA’s “nerd honor”)
• [33:52–35:08] Bill Kaysing Origins of the Theory
• [45:12–54:06] Technical Claims (flag, stars, shadows, blast crater) Debunked
• [54:06–57:44] Technology, Recency Bias & Hidden Figures
• [67:16–74:44] Listener Call: Fries, Childhood, and Therapy Through Condiments

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Episode Tone & Style

As always, the show maintains a playful, sharp-witted, and culturally aware tone. The trio balances sincere skepticism, good-faith debate, and side-splitting asides about pop culture and personal histories. Larry Wilmore’s professorial calm acts as a sturdy anchor as Kerman and Gborie lob in wild hypotheticals and “what ifs.” The humor is profane, self-aware, and never sacrifices clarity in its quest for laughs.

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Conclusion

Larry Wilmore makes a spirited, considered case that the moon landing conspiracy theory is unfounded, laying out the social, technical, and historical reasons for confidence in NASA's feat. The hosts and guest delight in puncturing the narrative with both science and jokes while modeling how to engage bizarre claims with both empathy and ridicule. By episode’s end, laughter and clarity reign, and the only thing left floating in the void is the possibility that ketchup on fries is more divisive than the moon landing itself.

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Further Listening

• To send in conspiracies or questions, email [e-mail] or call 844-LITTLEMOMS.
• For more content, check out the “My Mama Told Me” Patreon.

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Transcript

[Langston Kerman]

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[David Borey]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Borey]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Borey]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Borey]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[David Borey]

Yep.

[Langston Kerman]

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[David Borey]

Yeah, my mom. It's all me, likely. But yeah, but we'll figure it out. It's coming. Bye, bitch.

[Langston Kerman]

But people would have been upset behind that dog.

[Larry Wilmore]

Oh, they were devastated.

[Langston Kerman]

It's such a crazy. It's such a crazy thing to think people wouldn't be upset behind.

[David Borey]

Come on.

[Langston Kerman]

You thought you were just gonna.

[Larry Wilmore]

The Russians were like, oh, wait, you thought he was gonna live.

[David Borey]

We don't give a fuck about that dog.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

He's dying. So we don't have to.

[David Borey]

We needed somebody to sit in the. To see if the monitor would go off.

[Langston Kerman]

They shouldn't have done a dog. I think that's where they fucked up. You need to do, like, some kind of a varmint. Like, I think even if you switch from dog to, like, coyote or something, like something that people generally Space coyote. Yeah, generally detect, because coyotes are varmint. You want to kill anything. You seen a coyote?

[David Borey]

I feel like a coyote would have survived, bro.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah, they're haunting some kind of. They open the caps over,

[Langston Kerman]

it's bigger. Coyote lives through it. Now we got these super Coyote's running

[Larry Wilmore]

around, and it just exhales like. Man, you were holding your breath.

[Langston Kerman]

Coyote.

[Larry Wilmore]

That's pretty good.

[Langston Kerman]

That's true. Cause look how they did Wile E. Coyote. He never died.

[David Borey]

My boy got flat and got back up. Come on, man.

[Larry Wilmore]

He got fucked up.

[David Borey]

He got fucked up a lot.

[Langston Kerman]

The government growing babies. Microchips in your 80s. All koala bears are racist. The ozone layer owes me money. Martians invented dirty stuff for me. Y' all can't tell me nothing. Why you hating? We gon ball and parlay, Pop our shit anyway. We gon shine in they face. Welcome, little mamas and gentiles alike, to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told

[David Borey]

Me the podcast, where we dive deep, deep into the pockets of black conspiracy

[Langston Kerman]

theorists, and we don't prove a goddamn

[David Borey]

thing for not helping.

[Langston Kerman]

We got nothing for you.

[David Borey]

Unfortunately, we are net negative on this

[Langston Kerman]

show, and that's what you came for, quite frankly. And then if it was anything else, that's on you, absolutely.

[David Borey]

You should Reflect on why you're here. You should take a moment to say, hey, maybe this isn't good for my health. Maybe I should grow and listen to some people who know what the fuck they're talking about. Unfortunately, you clicked on this one.

[Langston Kerman]

You should focus on your life. And how are you going to get them kids back? Because it's not over here.

[David Borey]

We ain't helping you get your kids.

[Langston Kerman]

Got it? We're the reason you lost them, quite frankly. I. I got one to start with.

[David Borey]

Yeah, please.

[Langston Kerman]

Have you seen. I think.

[David Borey]

And you feel free to jump in at any.

[Langston Kerman]

Whenever you want. Whenever you want.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I think this is a particular form of anti black violence. I've seen this. My little brother sent me one of this, one of these. And it's a trend online. It's white guys. And the caption is, hey, Unk, tell me what you were like in your wigger phase. And then it cuts to them with just like, just being pictures of them being young with black people. And then the last line is always like, I got off drugs. It's basically like, I got myself away from those nasty niggers. Like, that's like the tone of it. Yeah, it's like so nasty where they're

[David Borey]

like, well, clearly I was a junkie.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

This is why I was here.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Like, my brother sent me one and it was like he was in a truck and he like, pops in a Zen. And then it's like all pictures of him being kind of fly and then. Can't believe. I can't believe I was caught up with that nonsense.

[Larry Wilmore]

With a Zen in his mouth.

[Langston Kerman]

With a Zen in his mouth in his big ass truck.

[Larry Wilmore]

Well, white people have been fake resisting wanting to be black for a long time. I mean, that's what blackface is like. I think there's even pictures of Abraham Lincoln, like, you know, they called it

[Langston Kerman]

the first original American art form.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah, it was.

[David Borey]

It was.

[Langston Kerman]

Which is crazy because America was out. You know what I'm saying? They had time to develop an art form.

[David Borey]

They said before, before we invent our version of drumming, we have to focus. We have to put some black on our face.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. What else are we going to do?

[David Borey]

Saxophone.

[Langston Kerman]

Put that away.

[Larry Wilmore]

And they were like, but black is funny, right? Yeah, it is. What are we going to do?

[Langston Kerman]

It's crazy to think of the idea of, like, there was like a Friday night where they like, somebody. Somebody got the kids. Somebody got somebody to watch the kids. They dressed up to go watch white guys.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Pretend to be black guys.

[Larry Wilmore]

Well, not only did they have somebody to watch the kids, they would have a black woman nurse breastfeeding their children.

[Langston Kerman]

Damn.

[Larry Wilmore]

While not wanting to be blank.

[Langston Kerman]

Man, she should have killed them. They came home that night and they told her how funny the show was. You, they said, they said, they said, rosalyn, you should have seen it. He was amazing.

[David Borey]

That's funny.

[Langston Kerman]

He looked just like you.

[David Borey]

You would have thought it was your cousin up there.

[Larry Wilmore]

How come the baby. How come the baby's not waking up?

[David Borey]

That rotten black milk didn't make my baby sleepy, did it?

[Larry Wilmore]

Yo, I'mma make some pancakes with the dough.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah. You want to give me a couple extra bottles?

[David Borey]

I just exactly get a little throat bug.

[Larry Wilmore]

Put it in the garage fridge. Save it. That's how I keep all my black breast milk.

[David Borey]

Yeah, I, I, I fully agree with you. This feels like a nasty.

[Langston Kerman]

I didn't think there was going to be. I was just watching it. I was like, damn, that's the coldest shit. Because it's not even like, it's like, it's not even them doing. It's just them be being young with black people. Yeah. Like, it's not like the pictures, they're like holding guns or throwing up set or anything. They're just got like some skinny jeans on and they're like sitting on a car and they're like, I can't believe it. I can't believe I was so irresponsible.

[David Borey]

I almost ruined my life.

[Langston Kerman]

And then the crazy thing is at the end, they're like, and now I found God. Like, you don't think black people got God, bro. Right.

[Larry Wilmore]

That's when I first started liking white women. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait a minute.

[David Borey]

But how I do think that thing? I think white people think they're Jesus and are Jesus are different Jesuses.

[Langston Kerman]

I also think that. So you got me.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I think they should be. I don't think that.

[David Borey]

I wish they were.

[Langston Kerman]

I would like to.

[Larry Wilmore]

I think their Jesus is the original wrong Jesus.

[Langston Kerman]

I agree with that.

[Larry Wilmore]

The Nordic Jesus.

[David Borey]

They made Jesus look like Thor.

[Larry Wilmore]

It's the original wrong Jesus.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

Why is there a hammer in that picture? He's on the cross. That doesn't make sense.

[Langston Kerman]

Here's my question. Was there ever a moment where that Jesus was confronted by Middle Eastern people? Like, you never think about that. Where they came, they came with those pictures and they were like, what the fuck is this? He was one of all.

[David Borey]

The first drawing had to really bug

[Langston Kerman]

some people, which must have been like post crusades. Or something, right?

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, I don't know when they started making him look like that, but there

[David Borey]

has to have been somebody won a war.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

And then decided, this is what he's gonna look like from now on.

[Larry Wilmore]

But when they got all worked up and said, you can't do. He's a Jew. What? Oh, okay. Don't worry. Oh, we didn't know that. Whatever you want to do. We have Allah now. That's good. We'll stick with that.

[David Borey]

We'll draw him. No, no.

[Larry Wilmore]

That's hilarious. You get your hands cut off for having crayons. Oh, boy.

[David Borey]

That better not be Muhammad, which is

[Langston Kerman]

crazy, because don't you want to draw God as a kid? Don't you think that's like a.

[David Borey]

Did you draw God a lot as a kid?

[Langston Kerman]

I was drawing some stuff that maybe CPS would not have liked.

[David Borey]

Okay. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I think I was really getting it out through the pen.

[David Borey]

You were an artist first and foremost?

[Langston Kerman]

I think I was really pushing the boundaries.

[David Borey]

Yeah. I don't think God ever came up in any of my young.

[Langston Kerman]

You never wondered what God booked? That was.

[David Borey]

I wasn't drawing him.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, okay.

[David Borey]

I think is more the point.

[Larry Wilmore]

I don't know why Allah hates art so much, though. I don't understand that. Or, like this Allah, he would never. You can't take a selfie with Allah.

[Langston Kerman]

No, no, no.

[Larry Wilmore]

You know.

[David Borey]

Well, the Prophet Muhammad is the one they're more concerned with.

[Larry Wilmore]

You.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. You can't drive Muhammad.

[Larry Wilmore]

Oh, that's what it is.

[David Borey]

Allah. I think you can go crazy.

[Larry Wilmore]

Oh, okay.

[David Borey]

I don't think they have any issue. I've never heard anybody be like, yeah, the Prophet Muhammad is the one.

[Larry Wilmore]

You can't drive. Yeah. So maybe he has, like, warrants out or something. Doesn't.

[David Borey]

He's got a specific face.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

Well, didn't he.

[Langston Kerman]

He said, you know, I can't even go to Mecca right now,

[Larry Wilmore]

girl.

[Langston Kerman]

I can't even call.

[David Borey]

There's some niggas out there looking for me.

[Langston Kerman]

I can't be out here.

[Larry Wilmore]

I can't be in these streets. Just take it.

[Langston Kerman]

We're supposed to say in the house for Ramadan.

[David Borey]

Our guest today, I'm pretty sure it's never drawn the Prophet Muhammad, but what I am certain of is that he is. He. He's a phenomenal writer, comedian, producer, creator of some of the. The biggest, most important television shows, certainly in my life, in history.

[Larry Wilmore]

You.

[David Borey]

You know, the goddamn hits the fucking show, the PJs. I. I've told you this before. The PJs meant so fucking much to me.

[Langston Kerman]

Juicy was a seminal character as a young boy.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah. One of my favorite lions was the Juicy lions. Juicy, I hope we never grow old. And she said, well, the statistics are in our favor. I'm like.

[David Borey]

My favorite Juicy line. Super. My hero used to be Waffles, but now you my hero and Waffles. Waffles. I think about that line almost every day. The Nightly Show. He's a comedian. He's a magician.

[Larry Wilmore]

That's true.

[David Borey]

We've talked about this before.

[Langston Kerman]

He's.

[David Borey]

It's a pleasure to have him here. Larry Wilmore.

[Larry Wilmore]

My rhymes are fly, my beats are sick, My crew is big and it keeps getting bigger. That's cause Jesus Christ is my nigger.

[David Borey]

Yep. That's how that ends.

[Langston Kerman]

Yep.

[Larry Wilmore]

Is that Matthew or. It sounds like Luke.

[Langston Kerman]

I think it was actually in the apocrypha Book of DeShawn.

[Larry Wilmore]

A lot of people know that it actually is Luke. Oh, that's in the Gnostic Gospels. That's when those Dead Sea Scrolls are.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

I think it might have been the

[Langston Kerman]

book of Uncle Luke.

[Larry Wilmore]

What are all these Igor words? There's a whole.

[David Borey]

Seems like he's rolled into something.

[Larry Wilmore]

So many things rhyming that say Igor.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. These iggers are begatty.

[Larry Wilmore]

Some of these words aren't even around anymore. What's a migger? What is it?

[David Borey]

Larry, you came to us today with the conspiracy theory that you've already made clear. You don't stand by.

[Larry Wilmore]

I'm on the other side of this.

[David Borey]

You're on the other side of it, but it's exciting. We haven't talked about it very much.

[Larry Wilmore]

Too many people hold this to be not only just conspiracy theory. They believe it in their bones to be true.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, yeah. It's huge. They think they know who filmed it.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm leaving the clip.

[David Borey]

You're not jumping it. I think everybody. This is exciting. You said, my mama told me

[Langston Kerman]

the

[Larry Wilmore]

moon landing was fake.

[David Borey]

Hmm.

[Larry Wilmore]

I had to break up with my mama. Yeah. That relationship was no longer. She was dead to me at that point. Mom, you're dead to me. Yeah. It's the most ridiculous theory ever that is based on the thinnest of assumptions and suppositions and everything and just ignores everything that is true about real life in every single way. It's crazy to me.

[David Borey]

So there has never been a point at any time in your life where you even question the validity of the moonlight.

[Larry Wilmore]

I was a witness. Conspiracy theories theorists are researchers. That's the difference. I'm a witness. They're a researcher. And here's my theory about how conspiracy theories work. So conspiracy theorists, they want you to. They demand evidence for the obvious, but require you to swallow the preposterous. So that's how it works. You have to give all this evidence for the obvious things, but I'm just supposed to swallow the preposterous?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, but now do you not believe that there are major conspiracies?

[Larry Wilmore]

What? By conspiracies, what do you mean?

[Langston Kerman]

Just a group of people conspiring to sell a half truth or whatever.

[Larry Wilmore]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, I mean, that's all it is, Right? It's just like a group coming together to kind of shield the truth.

[Larry Wilmore]

Sure. I mean, the Lincoln assassination was a conspiracy.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay, so we're in on conspiracies.

[Larry Wilmore]

Oh, yeah. It's not conspiracy. It's the type of conspiracy that's fair.

[David Borey]

You're saying this one specifically is so far fetched.

[Larry Wilmore]

Oh, it's crazy. I'm shocked that it even is one and reputable people. It's really in the earth flat category as far as I'm concerned. Oh, wait, you guys are.

[Langston Kerman]

No, no, no, no.

[David Borey]

We got some other shit cooking over here.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, it's much weirder. What?

[Larry Wilmore]

We in the moon flat? Yeah, that moon is flat.

[David Borey]

Our Earth is triangle. We got some other shit.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah, it's a parallelogram.

[Langston Kerman]

Ever seen the pyramids?

[Larry Wilmore]

Our Earth is a parallelogram.

[David Borey]

Good luck keeping up, playboy.

[Langston Kerman]

What you got?

[Larry Wilmore]

Mars. You a parallelogram?

[Langston Kerman]

I'm more of a rhombus guy, but that's where we differ. Yeah, it's not a big deal.

[David Borey]

We don't align perfectly in our beliefs. I wonder. Or I want to hear more about how you see yourself as a witness, because I think that that's an important element of all of this. For the people that think about this,

[Larry Wilmore]

I grew up loving the space program. I wanted to be an astronaut when I was a kid. I always tell people I'm not a boomer and I'm not a Gen X. I'm in the moonshot generation. This is people who grew up with that in our. In our window. You know, I grew up in California and I would see rocket trails all the time. So for us, what do you think

[Langston Kerman]

those trails contain exactly? You mean chemtrails, Larry?

[Larry Wilmore]

You mean chemtrails? For me, it contained dreams.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Larry Wilmore]

That anything.

[David Borey]

Dreams that made me so mad.

[Larry Wilmore]

Exactly right. Those were white dreams. What color was that? Smoke. Those were white dreams. That wasn't black smoke coming out there.

[Langston Kerman]

It wasn't a pope.

[David Borey]

They were like dreams that made me so much worse at school.

[Larry Wilmore]

Right, Exactly. Exactly. But anyhow, I followed it from a very young age. I remember collecting rockets and things like that. But there has been no more inspiring organization that did things for humanity than NASA in terms of history of the country. And no more honorable one. And here's why NASA's honorable. It is filled with nerds.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay?

[Larry Wilmore]

There's no more honorable group than nerds you could take.

[Langston Kerman]

Brother, I can't go with you on this.

[Larry Wilmore]

Wait, hold on a second. You could go to any field that nerds are a part of. They will be the first one to call you out on misinformation.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, that's fair. That's what I mean. I agree with that.

[Larry Wilmore]

That's what I mean, being honorable.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, tell them Spider Man's black and see what happens.

[Larry Wilmore]

Right? Because they're canon. Yeah, because they're canon. That's what it is. What is the canon of it? Spider man wasn't a nigga in the beginning. Somebody decided he should be black and nerd say, you know, named Peter.

[David Borey]

Yes.

[Larry Wilmore]

And nerds will say, no, motherfucker. That's not how it started. Because nerds believe the first thing you know. Nerds are very intense on truth, fairness, honor, all these things. That's what I mean. You could take nerds in any category, and that's what it feels like. The most important nerds on the face of the Earth in the 1960s were space. Nerds were the motherfucking engineers who were designing the systems and the programs to get people into space, into the moon. You think these people are going to fake something? Good luck with that.

[Langston Kerman]

I will say that a lot of

[David Borey]

those nerds were Nazis, too. So they had reason to not tell us all the truth.

[Larry Wilmore]

Nazi scientists were the most honorable Nazis.

[Langston Kerman]

Yes. Werner von Braun, this is a complicated tech.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yes, it is complicated.

[Langston Kerman]

Probably the most. Yeah, yeah, I get that.

[David Borey]

I think they were just mixing chemicals. They weren't necessarily doing it with, like, I think also Face hung up on the wall being like, I think also

[Langston Kerman]

sometimes you can get scientists to do bad by allowing them to do the science.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, if they're like. If you're like, hey, here's this funding for this science, right? Don't worry about what I'm doing, bro.

[David Borey]

Part of the reason that the fucking nuclear bomb exists is because they were like, hey, we'll let you play with some uranium.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[David Borey]

For real?

[Langston Kerman]

Ye.

[David Borey]

I ain't never had uranium before. Yeah, I'M gonna see what happens.

[Larry Wilmore]

Oppenheimer, one of the most important nerds in the history of the Earth.

[David Borey]

Yeah. Famously. Good guy.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah. Now, nerds could be assholes, of course, but they will tell you the truth, even if it hurts. You're saying that destroys families. Doesn't matter. Yeah, that's the problem. They're kind of, you know, sociopath isn't the right word. You know, they're on the spectrum. Nerds are on the spectrum. And sometimes they just don't care about your feelings because the truth is more important to them.

[David Borey]

I think, if I'm hearing you correctly, is that there are too many people who would have believed in that truth to allow the fake version of this to actually have existed.

[Larry Wilmore]

They would not allow it. They would have called it out at any point where. And by the way, the coordination of this has to involve the people who are the most knowledgeable about this. That's what I mean. It could not happen, you know, because there has. Because, first of all, either they blasted off or they didn't. There were a lot of people that witnessed that, and there's still records of that. Okay. If you say they blasted off and they were only in Earth orbit, at a certain point, there's gotta be a handoff where some nerds are aware of this handoff too real life to fake life, which absolutely didn't happen. And somebody's gotta write this script. Sure.

[Langston Kerman]

Did they say it was Kubrick?

[David Borey]

Yeah, Stanley Kubrick production.

[Larry Wilmore]

If you know anything about Stanley Kubrick, the last thing he's gonna do is something like this. Spielberg could barely get Kubrick on the phone. You know, Stanley Kubrick is gonna do something for the government, for Christ's sakes.

[David Borey]

Right?

[Langston Kerman]

This is maybe a younger Kubrick, a little more ambitious maybe.

[Larry Wilmore]

He already made 2001 A Space Odyssey.

[Langston Kerman]

Because what year was 2001 A Space Odyssey?

[Larry Wilmore]

That came out in 1968.

[Langston Kerman]

And what year was that?

[Larry Wilmore]

But he started developing it in 1963.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay. Okay.

[David Borey]

I think I'm curious to know your. How you respond. Because what I had always heard about the possibility of the space of the moon landing being fake is not that they didn't go up there, but more that the results didn't yield in a way that they would have wanted. And so they faked it in the. Afterwards.

[Langston Kerman]

That's how I had heard it, is that they did it in post.

[Larry Wilmore]

So what does it mean by fake? So they did go there.

[David Borey]

They did go there, in theory.

[Larry Wilmore]

So what part was fake?

[David Borey]

They then shoot a film to Replicate the journey to space so that we are able to consume it as a public.

[Langston Kerman]

Right.

[Larry Wilmore]

I don't understand what part was faked.

[David Borey]

The fake would be.

[Larry Wilmore]

I don't think that's what people say. The people that refute it say that it never happened.

[David Borey]

No, there's a sect of people that say this did not happen at all. And then there's another section.

[Larry Wilmore]

Those are the people I'm concerned with.

[David Borey]

Okay. You're comfortable with the possibility of.

[Langston Kerman]

No.

[Larry Wilmore]

Well, that doesn't make sense.

[David Borey]

Okay, tell me more about that.

[Langston Kerman]

There we go.

[Larry Wilmore]

It just doesn't make sense. I mean, if you like. Are you talking about a reenactment or something? No, of course not.

[David Borey]

That they filmed and then. And then aired for people to.

[Larry Wilmore]

Now, here's what they had.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

At the time, they had simulations is what they were called. So we saw a lot of simulations because they didn't have direct video feed. So as an audience, contemporary audience at the time, that's what we watched. But we knew the difference between a simulation and an actual fee. Here's the irony about faking anything back then, and this has to do with video technology and that kind of thing. Technologically wise, it was easier to go to the moon in 1968 than it was to convincingly fake going to the moon. And ironically, it's easier to fake going to the moon today than it is to actually go to the moon. And I would argue that's the irony of ironies.

[David Borey]

I think that's true. But I would argue that there's an argument that they invested every ounce of technology and financing they possibly could into reenacting that experience.

[Larry Wilmore]

Why would they do that?

[David Borey]

Because they needed.

[Larry Wilmore]

But why do they need to believe we saw it happen? We don't need extra proof.

[David Borey]

When I think about history, the moon landing is one of the few things that's ever existed that really brought us together.

[Larry Wilmore]

Absolutely.

[David Borey]

Like, there aren't that many things that might have been. You're following assassination after assassination. We need a reset. We gotta be on that moon regardless of whether or not we got good footage of that shit.

[Larry Wilmore]

Okay. But people don't realize this didn't just happen once. We went six times. And we also had an aborted mission, Apollo 13, that just circled the moon. And it's like, well, why would we do that? Why are we making this whole thing up? Which doesn't make sense, you know, we're going to fake an aborted mission to the moon, you know?

[Langston Kerman]

Well, I think the idea is not like, that any of those were faked. I think it's just ultimately, the footage wasn't good enough.

[David Borey]

It wasn't going to the public.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah, it wasn't.

[Langston Kerman]

It's not like negating the entire space race or anything like that.

[Larry Wilmore]

But which footage are you talking about? I don't understand this.

[Langston Kerman]

Like, there's video footage like the. The new Bond show.

[Larry Wilmore]

There's video footage that exists that was at the time. And then there's also film footage that they took on the moon. They have both of those. They have both of those that existed and existed at the time. Now, the film wasn't seen until later because it had to come back to Earth and be exposed and developed.

[Langston Kerman]

Right.

[Larry Wilmore]

That's. That's kind of how film works. Yeah, but the video was young, but we're sorry about that.

[Langston Kerman]

You lost him in film dummies.

[Larry Wilmore]

Here's the thing.

[David Borey]

He embarrassed us in front of Larry.

[Larry Wilmore]

The video was seen at the time, but, yes, film had to be seen later because it had to be processed, developed and edited and put together. So if that's what people are saying. Well, yeah, but that's the process of shooting film. That's just how film works.

[David Borey]

I think they're speaking more to, like, whatever that. That fucking camera that was hooked up to the space shuttle that was pointed at Neil Armstrong. They're saying that. That. That whatever camera footage they tripod, they set up in space and were like, we are recording now. That was the live feed or the feed that we were receiving, or we. I wasn't around, but y' all were receiving on the Earth. They're saying that that was reshot later by Stanley Kubrick or someone of the like.

[Larry Wilmore]

Absolutely.

[David Borey]

To be able to sell to the public.

[Larry Wilmore]

That doesn't make sense. It was already sold to the public. That's like the. You watched great championship between the Lakers and the Celtics, you know, back in the day. And somebody thinks they have to reshoot it to sell it to the public because the.

[Langston Kerman]

They have to re.

[Larry Wilmore]

Enact it.

[Langston Kerman]

I think the idea is that it was a lot easier to. We had all the technology in place easily to shoot the Lakers, Celtics.

[Larry Wilmore]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

It wasn't anything new. It wasn't like a difficult task. Right. The idea is that, like, people don't think that we were there to be able to shoot in space.

[David Borey]

It's real hard to.

[Larry Wilmore]

No, but there is video of the astronauts on the moon. What other proof do we need?

[David Borey]

This is what I mean.

[Larry Wilmore]

This theory really doesn't make sense.

[David Borey]

No, this is what I mean. Real hard to beat off to cinemax if you didn't pay for it, you're

[Larry Wilmore]

just not trying hard enough to say,

[David Borey]

no, no, no, we're gonna get it.

[Langston Kerman]

Gotta get the nipples through the blur.

[Larry Wilmore]

We started with a thing called on tv, where it's just lines like this. Oh, titty.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm not saying it's.

[David Borey]

I'm not saying it's not impossible, but I'm saying for the average person, if you want to finish the job, you gotta have.

[Larry Wilmore]

So you're saying for the.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh. Cause you love softcore. I forgot.

[David Borey]

I love softcore.

[Langston Kerman]

I forgot about that.

[Larry Wilmore]

For the people that needed to beat off to the moon landing, they needed to recreat. That's what your theory is.

[David Borey]

Spiritual beating off.

[Larry Wilmore]

As to why this theory exists, you

[David Borey]

know, we can do an emotional beating off.

[Larry Wilmore]

No, we need footage that people can beat off to.

[David Borey]

That's right.

[Larry Wilmore]

Well, can you have. Well, can Neil take off his shirt in the next day? Well, let's do that. Show a little ass crap.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. We couldn't have got a thicker astronaut.

[Larry Wilmore]

Exactly. We need some beefcake.

[David Borey]

Tell him to pull up his space G string.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

He really is ridiculous, you guys. He makes like. Who's making these decisions? Who's making these calls?

[David Borey]

I think some pretty. I think.

[Larry Wilmore]

Who's making the call?

[David Borey]

And this is. This is. This. I don't know that I believe that the moon landing is fake, but I do believe.

[Larry Wilmore]

Wait, you don't know if you believe that the moon landing is fake, that means you don't believe it's real.

[David Borey]

You understand that I'm saying I'm more on the air of it being a real thing.

[Larry Wilmore]

No, no, but you understand there's. You can't have.

[David Borey]

Well, you misspoke on what I said. I said I don't. I don't. I'm not sold.

[Larry Wilmore]

You understand what this language. I just want you to know the gravity of your language, brother. Do you guys know what gravity is,

[David Borey]

Brother, if we were doing this podcast for accountability, we would have stopped a long time ago.

[Langston Kerman]

Podcasting wouldn't be the medium that you

[David Borey]

are not speaking to learned men. And you would do well to remember that.

[Larry Wilmore]

I just. Language is my thing. Langston, you have a writer on your show.

[David Borey]

You've shown that time and time again. Larry, we. You've enjoyed all of your productions.

[Langston Kerman]

Stop.

[Larry Wilmore]

You.

[David Borey]

You're in hell, brother. Welcome to my cave.

[Larry Wilmore]

It's called Purgatory.

[David Borey]

Here we say words wrong, and we love it.

[Larry Wilmore]

It's called Purgatory, and I'm Catholic, and I'm used to staying there. Forever and ever and ever.

[Langston Kerman]

I mean, purgatory is all right. I don't know where you came from.

[Larry Wilmore]

Purgatory is up. Cuz they're. They're like, there's no way getting out of purgatory, even though it's promised. It's a weird thing. Yeah.

[David Borey]

It's just.

[Larry Wilmore]

But they never tell you how to get out.

[David Borey]

It's just mid.

[Larry Wilmore]

They just say, yeah, yeah, exactly. But we can't.

[Langston Kerman]

Some people come from tough places, man.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Some people coming from tough.

[David Borey]

They could use a wind right now.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Your rent is paid in purgatory.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

You know what I'm saying?

[David Borey]

Right?

[Langston Kerman]

It's like. It's like, okay, that's. That's all right. I just don't want to operate from a dearth. You know what I'm saying?

[David Borey]

You don't want to have to go back to like. I think I gotta sleep in my car tonight.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

The bed's kind of uncomfortable. All right.

[David Borey]

That's okay.

[Langston Kerman]

Plaid sheets forever.

[David Borey]

This is my bed.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

This is my bed. And now I'm chilling.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm telling you, some people come down, got to get down to get on up.

[Larry Wilmore]

You don't wanna.

[David Borey]

We should take a break. Okay, let's take a break. We're gonna come back. More Larry Wilmore. I said Milmore. More, Larry. More Larry Wilmore. More. My mama told me me.

[Langston Kerman]

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[Langston Kerman]

We are back with my mama told me not only do I want you, but I need that. You understand? I need that. And I suck on your ass like a goddamn neck bone pig's foot. I need that. I want that. And that is figuring out whether or not the moon landing is real.

[Larry Wilmore]

Not wrong. He's not wrong.

[Langston Kerman]

No, no. He, he had some points.

[David Borey]

He made some points. I've. I certainly have felt that way before. And in that way I relate. You know what I mean?

[Larry Wilmore]

Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Old horny is a very relatable, relatable feeling. You know what I mean?

[David Borey]

It's the thing that I wish that I could bond with older men about

[Langston Kerman]

more is how horny they are.

[David Borey]

I know you are. And I am too big.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's just sit in that.

[David Borey]

Let's shake hands on that.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah. It doesn't prove that you're gay. Talking about that? Not at all. I don't know why people keep saying that.

[David Borey]

Larry, I did some research on this conspiracy theory that I want to share with you. Feel free to agree or disagree with all of it.

[Larry Wilmore]

I probably disagree with all of it.

[David Borey]

I hope so. The original premise, apparently, of the moon landing being fake, came from a guy named Bill Kaysing. Bill Kaysing wrote and published this pamphlet called We Never Went to the moon. America's $30 billion swindle. Now, the amazing. It's sort of amazing to think that this was created by a single individual.

[Larry Wilmore]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

You know what? That's a man.

[David Borey]

We don't usually get to the time, man.

[Langston Kerman]

When was the last time you seen a good pan fish pamphlet?

[David Borey]

It's been a minute, bro.

[Langston Kerman]

When was the last eight. Really fell off.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I blame nine, 11.

[Larry Wilmore]

That's a good form pamphlet.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. It's concise. It's enough that it takes you. You can read it on a toilet. You can go through a whole pamphlet on a toilet.

[Larry Wilmore]

Pamphlet is good toilet reading.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, 100%.

[David Borey]

And shout out to the Watchtower.

[Langston Kerman]

I never read a whole Watchtower, but

[David Borey]

they really have stayed reading. They've stayed in the pamphlet business. Maybe to the end.

[Langston Kerman]

Is the watchtower little. It's like Jet magazine size.

[David Borey]

Nah, it's Jet. It's full, so it's. No, it's like a foldable, like, traditional pamphlet.

[Larry Wilmore]

That magazine was really good bathroom reading, man.

[David Borey]

All right, Larry, calm down.

[Langston Kerman]

Come on. Beauty of the week. And also, also, look who got married.

[Larry Wilmore]

And it kind of had an APB at the end for black people because you could see where everybody was on what shows and all. It's like how the white people kept in track. Where are these black people at this week? Oh, one's on a Love Boat. Okay. Yeah. One's on Good Times. Okay. We know what you. Thank you, Jetman.

[Langston Kerman]

What is this Soul Train?

[Larry Wilmore]

We just want to keep track.

[Langston Kerman]

They started the Underground Railroad back up. Now they call it the Soul Train.

[Larry Wilmore]

What is this thing?

[Langston Kerman]

This. Don Cornelius must be stopped. God damn it. The Underground Railroad is funky now.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah. How did all these get to Philadelphia

[Langston Kerman]

on the Soul Train?

[David Borey]

Solving puzzles.

[Langston Kerman]

This sucks.

[Larry Wilmore]

That's right. Making them all smart.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

Now they're gonna win at Scrabble and shit.

[Langston Kerman]

I will say the best Scrabble players I know are black.

[David Borey]

I don't know that I can disagree with it. Thank you for your thoughtful, Ed.

[Langston Kerman]

I used to be really into Scrabble.

[David Borey]

Okay. Yeah, I play it a lot.

[Langston Kerman]

Lot.

[David Borey]

I'm Pretty good.

[Langston Kerman]

Really.

[David Borey]

Yeah, my wife. Well, I mean now it's the, the New York Times one, whatever their version of Scrabble is.

[Larry Wilmore]

But.

[David Borey]

No, but they have a, they have their own, they have their own Scrabble that they've added.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah. Cuz Wordle's more like jumbo.

[David Borey]

Yeah, like a one on, you know, one you versus the machine as game. But this, their Scrabble is competitive.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. You got to gamify Scrabble though. I feel like sometimes you play with people who aren't using the. They aren't using the bonus tiles. Correct.

[David Borey]

If you don't know how to make a whole lot of money with two letters.

[Langston Kerman]

Exactly. If you don't hit that key on a qi on a triple word score, you don't really, really stop talking. Yeah. You ain't really got it like that.

[Larry Wilmore]

Or Z A. Z A goes both ways.

[Langston Kerman]

I mean those Z's are like. You really don't need a lot to get those Z's off.

[David Borey]

Yeah, Z weirdly comes in handy.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

Or you use a common letter and you get a triple.

[Langston Kerman]

Triple, Exactly.

[Larry Wilmore]

Get your word.

[David Borey]

Absolutely.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm in here with scholars. Okay. Students of the game.

[David Borey]

I want to tell you more about Bill Kaysing or this Kaysing person. Yeah, Bill Kaysing, because can I ask

[Larry Wilmore]

what year that was?

[David Borey]

He originally sort of publishes this. Okay, well I'll tell you this, and this might put a framing on some of his, the timing of it, but Kaysing actually worked on the US space program between 1956-1963. He worked for a company, Rocketdyne, that helped build the Saturn V rockets. He published this despite more than 400,000 documented employees who helped to make the moon landing real. As well as 328kg of moon rock collected across six missions. Corroboration from Russia, Japan, China, who saw the tracks in the dust. He still was like, nah, that shit ain't right.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah, we hear people.

[David Borey]

Yeah, it does help your argument, I

[Larry Wilmore]

think quite a bit.

[Langston Kerman]

The numbers, the reason why I asked

[Larry Wilmore]

the year there was already a movie called Capricorn One.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

I think that had already come out at the time of his book, I think where, you know, it was a fantasy about the fake moon landing and all that stuff, you know, and it was a fun movie, but you know, O.J. simpson's in it, I think, you know,

[David Borey]

damn, I gotta watch this movie.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah. Once OJ's in a movie.

[David Borey]

We're big fans over here,

[Larry Wilmore]

Juice.

[David Borey]

Yeah, right there, look, we got if I did it held in high regard.

[Langston Kerman]

We're trying to get a.

[Larry Wilmore]

If I did it. If he faked the moon lander. Yeah, that's right. He actually did technically fake the moon because he was in the movie.

[David Borey]

Honestly, he's more honest about that than he is.

[Larry Wilmore]

And he was the most troubled in the movie about the dishonesty of what they were doing.

[David Borey]

Oh, he was the most.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah. You could see him struggling with it.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah. Cause, you know, that's the kind of man OJ Was.

[David Borey]

He really. I think that's why he's so funny, is because he really was the best guy for so long.

[Larry Wilmore]

It was amazing.

[David Borey]

It's.

[Larry Wilmore]

It's crazy theories around that murder, too, right?

[David Borey]

100.

[Larry Wilmore]

Oh, yeah. There's a lot.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm.

[David Borey]

I'm. I'm.

[Langston Kerman]

You think the son did it?

[David Borey]

I think. I'm. I'm.

[Larry Wilmore]

That was a pretty good. I think only black people believe that one.

[Langston Kerman]

I think only black people have even heard that one.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah, I think so.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

I'm trying to remember how that one came out. Yeah.

[David Borey]

Well, okay, I'll remind you.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. You know all about it.

[David Borey]

Jason Simpson.

[Larry Wilmore]

Right?

[David Borey]

Jason had had a. Jason, as he's known, he had a active, tumultuous relationship with Nicole Brown Simpson. He had a history of using knives as a weapon.

[Larry Wilmore]

Is that made up or is that true?

[David Borey]

No, this is all legitimate information about Jason Simpson. Stepmother, stepson, complicated bond because he was the older kid. He wasn't.

[Larry Wilmore]

I heard of Marcus Allen having an affair with her, but I know.

[David Borey]

No, he didn't have an affair. They were, like, beefing all the time. The time. And then he had a history of using knives as a weapon and specifically had attempted to stab his former manager at a restaurant. He was supposed to meet up with Nicole. She was planning to come to the restaurant that he worked at that evening, but then change plans and book somewhere else. And then finally, when OJ Gets arrested, the first person he calls is a lawyer. Lawyer for Jason, not for himself. Or when he finds out about the. The murder and he's notified of her death, he calls a lawyer for Jason and does not call a lawyer for himself for another 24 hours. Okay, so I. I believe Jason did it or. But I don't believe that OJ Definitely did. I don't think OJ Was not a part of it. I just think that Jason probably did more of the work than.

[Larry Wilmore]

So he was involved in it. Yes. Why didn't he just do it then? I don't understand. Why does he need to be a part of it?

[David Borey]

I think it was carving a lady up the way that that person did.

[Larry Wilmore]

So it was planned. Yeah. It wasn't. In the heat of the moment.

[David Borey]

I think there's a little bit more of a mixing of those truths than there is like a definitive.

[Larry Wilmore]

Here's my take on O.J. had one of those things. I've seen this in people where it's almost like, not dual personality, but bipolar type of thing. When they get real violent, they almost black out, and it's like a completely different person. And I knew somebody like this, and I was shocked. He actually owned this little restaurant where I'm from, Pasadena, and there was an old fashioned bar brawl that broke out and his whole shit just went away. And he was beating the shit out of this guy. And I swear to God, afterwards he could barely remember it. It's like he blacked out. And someone said this happened with OJ when he was. He went to junior college first, before he went to usc, he was transferred to usc. And when he was. This is in Oakland, up in the Bay Area that he got. I think this was. Who was this boy? Who, Al Cowing, right?

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

So I think Al Cowling knew him back in the day. And either he or somebody saw this happen where OJ Got in a fight and he was completely different. Like that blackout type of thing. Just beating the shit out of somebody and a completely different person doing it. Not like, no, nigga, no, I'm gonna kick your ass. It's like. I mean, just blink, like the way a shark's eyes are. Yeah. And you just. You're not even talking. You're just trying to kill a motherfucker. That's different.

[David Borey]

You know what's fascinating about what you're saying is that in the book, part of what he's fantasizing about, because that's. What if I did it, is. Is this sort of like fantasy of what could have happened if he were there that night and had murdered. What he says is he imagines this story where there is another dude there, this like fantasy guy who is sort of doing the bulk of the work.

[Larry Wilmore]

That's him.

[David Borey]

And the fantasy guy is like, crazy. That's nuts. And O.J. is just trying to calm everybody down.

[Larry Wilmore]

Clearly believe it.

[David Borey]

But then Ron.

[Langston Kerman]

Everybody.

[David Borey]

But then Ron Goldman does karate. He beats the shit out of them with karate. And then they have to murder.

[Larry Wilmore]

Now you gotta die.

[David Borey]

Now you gotta kill him because of the.

[Larry Wilmore]

Look what you made me do.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, you make me do you spin Kick me in my chest I gotta take you, I gotta delete That y'

[David Borey]

all use knives, Whatever.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I gotta, I gotta get my lick back. Yeah, but knives, you jumped up and kicked me in my shit.

[David Borey]

Yeah, I gotta.

[Langston Kerman]

In my home.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

That I bought.

[David Borey]

I go get a gun.

[Langston Kerman]

I went to usc.

[Larry Wilmore]

Knives, Knives. Man makes the point that guns don't even make. Guns could be an accident. Knives are not an accident.

[David Borey]

And that's the type of crazy I'm not. He got that kind of crazy.

[Larry Wilmore]

So I believe that makes sense to me because he absolutely. By the way, he could have blacked out and he could have thought he was innocent.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

You know, like to me that could have been a possibility.

[David Borey]

Nah, I think he knew.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah. But that nigga did it. Trust me.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

There should be a follow up to this nun and that nigga did it.

[David Borey]

I think my feelings, My feeling has always been he, he. He is as involved as a person has ever been in a murder. That doesn't necessarily mean that he was involved.

[Larry Wilmore]

I love that it has to be so close, but it just can't go the last.

[David Borey]

Well, Larry, I'm. I'm mentally ill. That's.

[Langston Kerman]

I mean, I don't know if you see the room you're in. This wasn't put together by a man with great. With a great past. No.

[David Borey]

We're two troubled youths.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

You could have helped us years ago. Years ago you could have gotten us off the streets.

[Langston Kerman]

You didn't at risk no more.

[Larry Wilmore]

Look at us.

[David Borey]

We got a place.

[Langston Kerman]

At risk of getting popped on tax evasion, but that's about it. These are jokes. I pay my accountant.

[David Borey]

Some of the evidence that Kaysing points to that he says is proof of it being fake. He says there's no stars visible in the pictures. The flag can't answer that. Yes, please.

[Larry Wilmore]

It's daytime. There's a thing called the sun. Now the sky is black because there's no atmosphere on the moon. We have atmosphere here, which makes our sky blue. On the moon, they don't have that, which is why the sky is black. There are no stars because there's a thing called the sun that doesn't allow you to see the stars.

[David Borey]

Damn, that's a good argument.

[Larry Wilmore]

That's why you don't see stars in the background.

[David Borey]

I never heard it before.

[Larry Wilmore]

You have to go to the far side of the moon or wait till it's actually dark stars. So in this trip to the moon that the astronauts just took, they did not see stars until they got to the in to the far side of the moon and there was a lunar eclipse actually and the sun was blocked out. And that's when they saw the Milky Way and everything and all that. Before that, they didn't see stars because the sun was their constant companion the entire time.

[David Borey]

Wow.

[Langston Kerman]

That's called motherfucking bugs, nigga. You know nothing about that.

[Larry Wilmore]

If you look at the Hubble telescope. Hubble telescope is situated in the Earth's shape shadow.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

It's not situated where it's exposed to the sun. That's how the telescope was able to view all the stars. If the telescope orbited the Earth, it would only see the stars half the time of being. But it's in a geosynchronous orbit where it stays in the same place all the time. And the apex of where it's at is where that shadow is.

[David Borey]

See, David, this is why you got to be more responsible with what you say, man.

[Langston Kerman]

Yo, yo, I keep in here. I came in here ready to learn, brother.

[Larry Wilmore]

Now the further you go.

[Langston Kerman]

This ain't even my job yet.

[Larry Wilmore]

Exactly.

[Langston Kerman]

Come on, man. I stay to the rivers and the lakes that I'm used to.

[David Borey]

That's nice.

[Langston Kerman]

Deltas, tributaries, swamps, marshes.

[Larry Wilmore]

That's why you can't say stars.

[Langston Kerman]

That's where I thrive.

[David Borey]

They say that the flag waves on the moon despite there being no atmosphere.

[Larry Wilmore]

No, that's incorrect. The flag does not wave. What they have is a flag that has a pole, like a pole on the bottom of it, which maintains where it is, you know? And it's already in that shape when it's there. But if you watch a video of it, you don't see it doing this.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

What it's doing, it's moving a little bit, but it's moving as a whole unit. It's not moving like the way it's.

[David Borey]

It's not ripples of wind.

[Larry Wilmore]

Correct? That is correct. Right.

[David Borey]

They say there is no blast crater.

[Larry Wilmore]

And if in fact, there was wind. Have you ever seen a flag stay like that? Or does it drop? Does it do the.

[David Borey]

It would drop.

[Larry Wilmore]

Correct. So why doesn't the flag do that? What's holding it up?

[Langston Kerman]

You keep looking at me like I was running.

[Larry Wilmore]

No, you fucked up, man.

[David Borey]

You really.

[Langston Kerman]

I really wasn't. Oh, I just came into work today, bro.

[Larry Wilmore]

They only look at one aspect of it, but then they don't ask themselves, well, if that was the case, why doesn't it do that? It never does that. Because. Because there's a pole there. That's what gives it that.

[David Borey]

It's a fair argument to me. They say there is no blast crater under the Landing module. The shadows fall incorrectly in the pictures. They say NASA was poorly managed and largely incompetent. This is Bill Kaysing's argument. And then suddenly able to launch flawless flights with perfect documentation of these flights. And then my personal.

[Larry Wilmore]

I'll take it from.

[Langston Kerman]

Sounds like Bill got five.

[Larry Wilmore]

Exactly.

[Langston Kerman]

It sounds like Bill got fired. He said, they're in here fucking with me.

[David Borey]

Yeah,

[Langston Kerman]

they ate my lunch. Exactly. They ate my lunch out the fridge. My wife made meatloaf.

[Larry Wilmore]

That nigga had some issues. But NASA was not a perfect instrument of exploration. The most famous One was Apollo 1 that blew up on the flight pad. You know, Gus Grissom and the other astronauts. And it was just a dumb mistake. NASA had a lot of errors on the way things didn't always go, which is why it was so amazing that when they broke through, it really did happen. So it wasn't a flawless execution of things. Like I said, Apollo 13 came after Apollo 11, and that was human error. Whoever designed those things, it was a matter of time probably before it was going to happen. So there's an example of it not working out. And if you're engaged in faking something, you wouldn't fake a mistake that doesn't make sense. Why would you? Because. And this person argues that the faking of it costs money. Who's approving this faking money, by the way? People don't realize all this money was appropriated by Congress. NASA didn't just write checks. It had to be approved by Congress. There was a whole process that did this. One of the reasons why we stopped going to the moon, because Congress, this was like at the height of Vietnam and all this, when this was happening and Vietnam was. Was uncertain in 1972. And Americans were like, nigga, why are we going to the moon? You know, my boy is dying overseas and you motherfuckers are going to the moon. People don't want to pay for this. So it became very unpopular to do that. That's why it went away. The photographic anomalies. I'll cover real quick. Here's what they say. The people say that there's a shadow that goes one way and a shadow that goes another way, which gives a of proof of two light sources. Okay, I work in showbiz. I know how light sources work. If you have multiple light sources, you will have multiple shadows. But you can't have a shadow going this way and going that way and argue there are multiple light sources. You have to come up with another explanation because that's going to have two shadows and that's going to have two shadows. You won't just have one shadow. If you see my hand here and this hand here, and if you say the shadows are different, there's multiple light sources. Well, here we have multiple light sources, but you can see there's different shadows.

[Langston Kerman]

We got three.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah, but there's different. But different shadows are happening here. Yeah, there's one fucking shadow for each object. If there's multiple light sources, there has to be other shadows. Where are the other shadows? Nobody answers that question.

[David Borey]

Right, but you're saying that's proof of it being real. Is that the only light source being the sun?

[Larry Wilmore]

No, I'm saying the. That it's proof that their argument is weak. That's what I'm saying. That it's not an argument.

[David Borey]

But you're saying that. But you're saying. I guess what you're saying doesn't feel like it disproves what they're saying.

[Larry Wilmore]

It doesn't disprove it because there's no second shadow. If you're arguing there's more than one light source, there has to be more. Let me put it like this. If these things are this close and I have a light source here creating shadow this direction, and they're arguing there's a light source here creating shadow destruction, how am I immune from this light source?

[David Borey]

But I think that it's going to

[Larry Wilmore]

throw a shadow from me this way.

[David Borey]

But if the argument is that there's only one shadow, then they're saying that that's the concern more than it being multiple shadows.

[Larry Wilmore]

No, that's not what they're saying. They're saying there are multiple light sources that are creating different shadow directions. That's what they're saying. So if that is the case, there have to be multiple shadows. You cannot have that. You can't have two light sources and have one shadow. Like you can look at. There are some movies or especially TV shows where they act like they're outside, but you see multiple shadows because they're really not. You've seen that before, right?

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

According to them, you shouldn't see multiple shadows.

[David Borey]

You know, the multiple shadows is not the thing that I took it to mean. I took it to mean I'm saying that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

To me, the. The fact that there aren't multiple shadows means what they're saying is ridiculous. It doesn't make sense. It's impossible what they're saying. That's what I'm saying. The thing that they're trying to say is proof that. Cause they're saying there's a light source this direction, a light source that direction. And I'm saying, well, if there's a light source here, this is catching that light source, not just this object. Where's the shadow over here?

[David Borey]

And I'm saying that from those images that I still have the question of why there would be a single shadow.

[Langston Kerman]

Shadow.

[Larry Wilmore]

Well, I don't understand. There should be a single shadow. There's only one light source. It's the sun.

[David Borey]

And there's no light coming off of any of the machines out there.

[Larry Wilmore]

No. The sun is the only light source.

[David Borey]

Okay. That's the question I had. Because to me, the space module, whatever they have, it ain't got no beep boops.

[Langston Kerman]

You're thinking outside counters of the third kind. You're thinking that shit lit up.

[David Borey]

Yeah. They blast the light to help him see better out there. None of that exists.

[Larry Wilmore]

No. They're in the bright sun. They don't need any help from any light source. From the mantra. They're in the sun, you know?

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

So it's just not.

[David Borey]

It's not a sexy beach season, but it is a bright, sunny day.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah. Very bright. Because there are no such things as clouds on the moon.

[David Borey]

Sure, sure, sure.

[Larry Wilmore]

Which might create different shadows.

[David Borey]

I mean, this all feels real to me. The main thing that sort of solidified it for me as I was thinking about it is life. Like, I watch iRobot now and it looks old.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

That shit looks trash. Like, those aren't robots anymore at all. And for them to have somehow been able to, like, tap into a technology that.

[Larry Wilmore]

That's what I'm saying.

[David Borey]

50s, 60s, it was easier to go

[Larry Wilmore]

to the moon than it was to fake it. That's what I mean by that. You know, you could. It would have been hard. Like, they're. They're acting like people back then were just stupid and gullible, and that's not the case. Most of the way that we went to the moon was because of calculations people made with their head, you know? Yeah. You know, we didn't have pocket calculators and that type of thing, you know?

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

In some ways, hidden figures behind the scenes.

[Larry Wilmore]

That's true. Those black women that did that.

[Langston Kerman]

Thank you.

[Larry Wilmore]

That's Taraji. This is the alcohol right now. Yeah.

[David Borey]

I think ultimately the technology does feel. We treat people in the 60s the same way we treated those motherfuckers that were scared the train was coming through and gonna, like, run them over in the movie. And that's not fair or true.

[Larry Wilmore]

It's recency bias.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Our technology, also, general knowledge was higher than I imagine. Yeah.

[David Borey]

And like, human technology has always been it advancing at these insane rates. And so, like, people were able to keep up with what was.

[Larry Wilmore]

Really, engineers had to have more brain power back then because they had to do more computations with slide rules and that type of thing, you know? So today you have computers doing a lot of that work. So you don't need to use that brain power. Your brain power is used more for design and creative and that sort of thing. But the heavy lifting of computations, like, when you look at what Einstein did, this is over 100 years ago. Like, people think M equals MC squared, and that's all they think of. But if you look at his actual computations, like, this nigga was on a. No, like, oh, my God, these are pages of things. This is not computer calculator. This is him figuring stuff out in his head and then putting it on paper and examining it. That's how smart somebody was in 1905. 1905.

[David Borey]

They let him stick his tongue out like that. He had to be good.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Come on.

[David Borey]

You know what I mean? He was being silly.

[Larry Wilmore]

In the 1930s, they were splitting atoms. Like, imagine what an atom is in your mind and imagine the idea of splitting it. So they were doing that in 1930s.

[David Borey]

I've never even understood that.

[Langston Kerman]

It makes me feel like. It makes me feel the way that space makes some people feel like. You know, when you talk to people about space and they just can't. It makes their heart, like, feel. That's how the idea of splitting the atom makes me feel. It, like, takes my breath away.

[Larry Wilmore]

It's unimaginable.

[David Borey]

I don't know why that. That explodes.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. And by the way, I'm waiting to act down.

[Larry Wilmore]

Here's the other part of this that I don't get. We should be flexing about this. Like, what happened to that?

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

You know, why do we flex about everything except the shit that we actually did?

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Like as a country.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yes.

[Langston Kerman]

Are you kidding me? A lot of crazy reasons for that.

[Larry Wilmore]

No, but if you're gonna flex about something, what a thing to flex about, you know? Where you at, China? We ain't seen you yet. I don't see you.

[Langston Kerman]

Did y' all kill that dog?

[Larry Wilmore]

Yes, exactly.

[Langston Kerman]

We got a guy up there.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah, Russia. That's what Russia did.

[Langston Kerman]

All right. Meet Neil, A man they actually had. Wait, who killed the dog? Russia killed the dog.

[David Borey]

Russia.

[Larry Wilmore]

They called him Mutnick when he went up.

[David Borey]

Oh, no. Is that True.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yes. And people.

[David Borey]

That's so mean.

[Larry Wilmore]

Here's the story of Mutnik.

[Langston Kerman]

So here's the story. Russians are funny boy.

[Larry Wilmore]

So they put this dog in space without a plan to bring him back. And no one knew this. No one knew this. So people are. They're. They fall in love with this idea of the dog in space. Beep, beep. And then all of a sudden you know, oh, this motherfucker's gonna die.

[Langston Kerman]

No.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yes. And it devastated people. They had.

[Langston Kerman]

That's really upsetting.

[David Borey]

That's crazy. Imagine being hate when you kill dogs. That had to be be a bad day for white women were going.

[Langston Kerman]

Going crazy.

[Larry Wilmore]

All of New York and Beverly Hills was like really bad.

[Langston Kerman]

They did what. What was the breed?

[Larry Wilmore]

That was a bad.

[David Borey]

I think it was like a. I

[Larry Wilmore]

think it was a German shepherd, but.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, I'm all right with that.

[Larry Wilmore]

That was.

[Langston Kerman]

Them dogs are cops.

[Larry Wilmore]

But I never thought. That is true. That hilarious.

[David Borey]

The police dog.

[Langston Kerman]

Take them out. Take them out a cab, baby.

[Larry Wilmore]

He's German. He's probably a Nazi anyway back then. We don't want no Nazi dog coming back.

[Langston Kerman]

No, for real though. I got a German shepherd that terrorizes my neighborhood. She my dog up. It's a whole.

[David Borey]

Really.

[Larry Wilmore]

I grew up with German shepherd.

[Langston Kerman]

Really?

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah, it was a good time, but everybody was afraid of him. Yeah.

[David Borey]

I hear they're real good to you if they're yours. And. And they're real tough on anybody who ain't.

[Larry Wilmore]

They're not around.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's all right.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I mean my dogs for play anyways.

[David Borey]

Yeah. Well, we're gonna. We're gonna take a break. Get yourself a dog or Larry Wilmore.

[Larry Wilmore]

Don't put it in space.

[David Borey]

Don't put it in space. If mama told me it don't spring

[Langston Kerman]

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[David Borey]

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[Larry Wilmore]

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[Langston Kerman]

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[Larry Wilmore]

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[Langston Kerman]

We're back with My Mama Told Me. How is my man supposed to shmeat his meat with this shit, bro? What the fuck?

[David Borey]

That was perfect. Yeah, you really nailed it.

[Larry Wilmore]

Another good point once again.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. No, no. The wisdom in this board.

[Larry Wilmore]

I'm shocked.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

It's surprising spitting it out.

[David Borey]

That's right, Larry, if you think that's wise, we Have. We have people who call us. They call us and they leave voicemails with their own conspiracy theories. Oh, you want to play one?

[Larry Wilmore]

I would love to hear.

[David Borey]

You can tell. Tell Joel to stop at any time if you have something to say because

[Langston Kerman]

you'll want to interject usually.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yes. Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[Larry Wilmore]

My name is Cameron. First time caller, long time listener.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm high on my way to work and I just had a thought. What if these fucking insurance companies are just planting bad drivers? Why is it so stressful to drive now? That's it.

[Larry Wilmore]

Calling from Richmond, Virginia. Bye. Planting bad drivers? Is that what she's saying?

[David Borey]

Well, she's.

[Langston Kerman]

Baby girl, as a bad driver, I ain't a plant. I have nothing to do with the industry, my boy.

[David Borey]

The real deal.

[Larry Wilmore]

Come on, come on.

[Langston Kerman]

Homegrown. Bad driver, baby.

[David Borey]

You just see how fast he crashed his car.

[Langston Kerman]

Relax. I told you that in car evidence. Relax. Put in reverse. You gotta chill. We're at work. Not everything is an out of the car conversation. The point is I think we should do a different voicemail because that's. No.

[David Borey]

You don't agree with that?

[Langston Kerman]

I think it's just.

[Larry Wilmore]

No.

[David Borey]

Yeah. It feels silly.

[Langston Kerman]

It's too big. It's too big.

[David Borey]

I don't know.

[Langston Kerman]

It's too big right now.

[David Borey]

I think she's high on the way to work.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. I think she's mad.

[David Borey]

I think she needs.

[Larry Wilmore]

Just hit some.

[David Borey]

Somebody. Yeah, she just hit somebody probably.

[Langston Kerman]

I think so.

[David Borey]

She's walking, I hope.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah, right. And it's not her car probably.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

And she doesn't have insurance.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

And the insurance is probably hitting her with like a. A big punishment for this.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. No, this is. This is a woman scorned and I'm sorry for you, but no.

[David Borey]

Yeah, yeah. You're being silly.

[Langston Kerman]

No, I think we pick a better.

[Larry Wilmore]

You fucked up. Okay.

[David Borey]

But let's see.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah. Why would a piece of metal hurdling at 80 mph sometimes not stay on the right track?

[David Borey]

Let's do the psychos one, please.

[Langston Kerman]

Hey, first off, lan, why are you using that deep ass voice in your message and just sound like you fart? Don't do that. Let's talk about French fries, y'. All. Pause. I don't like the way that they come at you either.

[David Borey]

That's crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

They never say anything to me. They say things about your voice. They say things about your intonations.

[David Borey]

Yeah, they're really nasty to me and

[Langston Kerman]

I don't like that. I really don't like that.

[David Borey]

I'm sorry. You don't get to experience.

[Larry Wilmore]

Are you in the deep ass voice right now?

[David Borey]

No, it's how I regularly talk, as far as I know.

[Larry Wilmore]

That's what I thought. No, that's what I thought.

[David Borey]

I promise. I'm not trying to seduce either of

[Larry Wilmore]

you,

[David Borey]

but the suggestion.

[Langston Kerman]

What is your seduction voice?

[David Borey]

What is it?

[Langston Kerman]

Do you pitch up?

[David Borey]

Fellas, if you thought we were gonna do that here?

[Larry Wilmore]

He says, all right, gentlemen, we gonna. Are we going to start exactly.

[Langston Kerman]

What up, Chewbacca? How you doing, chewbacca?

[Larry Wilmore]

That's a Coke.45M looking.

[David Borey]

How's your wife, Chewbacca?

[Larry Wilmore]

You going to wait for my hand to fall off?

[Langston Kerman]

It's not going to suck itself. Oh, yeah, that was. That was crazy. I think we continue. I don't like the way you guys come at it.

[Larry Wilmore]

Thanks, man.

[David Borey]

Thanks for standing up for.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay, do that. Let's talk about French fries, y'. All. I'm gonna tell you what, Ain't nothing better than the great American diet fry. You know what I'm talking about? The one you used to get at Wendy's all the time or your local bar when your mom would sit you there while she was in the lounge drinking with her friends and you're reading comic books, eating plates of French fries. Pause. I think maybe there's some other stuff you got to work on before calling into a radio. I think there's a lot of feelings that you have that you were angry about and that. That explains your tone of voice.

[David Borey]

Big hurt.

[Langston Kerman]

Cause he's going real hard.

[Larry Wilmore]

A lot of pain.

[Langston Kerman]

It's not just French fries.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah, no, there's.

[Langston Kerman]

It's abandonment.

[David Borey]

He called about that mom story. You know what I mean? Like, that's why you called, is you wanted to talk about your mom making you eat French fries while she was working at a bar.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah, he's had a small coke life.

[Langston Kerman]

And I hear you and I'm sorry that happened to you.

[David Borey]

But hey, look.

[Langston Kerman]

Look at it on the bright side. You're great at pool now.

[David Borey]

You got some skills. A lot of people you're able to have.

[Langston Kerman]

How many other 8 year olds could smoke a whole cigarette without coughing? Not many, I bet.

[Larry Wilmore]

That's pretty good.

[David Borey]

You know how to fold a bar napkin different than anybody on the planet.

[Langston Kerman]

You were harassing cocktail waitresses before any of them.

[David Borey]

You can fold it into a pussy.

[Langston Kerman]

You know how to do that.

[David Borey]

All right, keep playing.

[Langston Kerman]

Eating plates of French fries. Now, my question to y' all is ketchup on top or ketchup on the side? I'm gonna tell you what. A psychopath puts ketchup all over the top of their french fries. A refined person of culture dips them. Argue amongst yourselves.

[Larry Wilmore]

A person of culture does not ask this question.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I was gonna say a person of culture I don't know is going. I think they're getting three. I think again, steak frits.

[Larry Wilmore]

It is not a dilemma for fursive culture.

[David Borey]

Yeah. No.

[Langston Kerman]

I do want to say, though, I do think it's nuts if you put ketchup all over the top of your fries. I think you're choosing violence. I think it's a wild way to live. I think maybe course correct and do some self reflection. I think it's nuts when you do that, but you're nuts. Exactly. Exactly.

[David Borey]

I think. If I may. Hey, counselor. I think part of the reason I do it is nostalgic. I think I liked how it felt when I was a little kid and I dumped out all my fries and poured ketchup on the top.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[David Borey]

And I think we don't often advocate enough for how there was a version of McDonald's that existed where they weren't giving you a little cup to put shit in. You just got the packets. And if you were in the car with your dad driving to his work and you got it.

[Langston Kerman]

This is a relatable story for me.

[David Borey]

Hey, man, he told me. The guy told me a story. I'm gonna tell y'. All.

[Larry Wilmore]

1.

[David Borey]

I got McDonald's on the way to sit at my dad's office. No, he was pretty nice about it, but it was McDonald's in my lap. And you pour some ketchup on the top and you eat the fries in my lap. McDonald's in my lap.

[Larry Wilmore]

Interesting.

[David Borey]

Wendy's in my heart, but McDonald's in my lap.

[Larry Wilmore]

You know, to me, I don't mind ketchup on the fries because what you. Here's what you eliminate. If you have the fries on the side, what if some. Somebody's gonna want some of your fries, you know, especially. And then you have. You open the possibility of double dipping, you know?

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, are you very anti double dipping?

[Larry Wilmore]

I'm just saying you open up that possibility.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

No, you can't do that if the ketchup's already on the fries.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay. But I think A doesn't allow for the distribution that I would like some fries. I want a lower ketchup to fry ratio. Some fries I want higher. And in that, I like to be able to control my own destiny. I feel like when you just put them all over the Top. It's.

[Larry Wilmore]

Can I give you an analogy? Can I give you an analogy?

[Langston Kerman]

We're gonna put a dog in space.

[Larry Wilmore]

I'll tell you what's next. Have you heard of chili fries?

[David Borey]

Absolutely.

[Larry Wilmore]

Now what sociopath has a side of chili and dips the fries in the chili?

[David Borey]

That would be crazy.

[Larry Wilmore]

That's a sociopath. You want chili over the fries?

[Langston Kerman]

I would rather do that.

[Larry Wilmore]

But you want to dip the fries in the chili.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm from Colorado. Cheese fries already mean something different.

[Larry Wilmore]

Right. It's green fries.

[David Borey]

Can I tell you something you're not acknowledging? I think with the ketchup on top is that ketchup soaks into that fry. And now you've created a little bit more of a chemical reaction than you get when you just dip.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Independent.

[Larry Wilmore]

It's like the type of food the astronauts ate.

[David Borey]

That's right. Now. Now we're doing space shit.

[Langston Kerman]

No, I don't think so.

[Larry Wilmore]

I just bring it back to that. Give me some of that Tang in those ketchup fries. Which is.

[Langston Kerman]

Which is a very good after school meal.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

This man for sure ain't.

[David Borey]

Yep, absolutely.

[Langston Kerman]

That man has chased fries with Tang.

[David Borey]

This brother got in his system Right now.

[Larry Wilmore]

Carter's sauce on the side of fish sticks makes sense.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

I don't want you to soak anything with tartar sauce.

[Langston Kerman]

I just.

[Larry Wilmore]

Exactly.

[Langston Kerman]

Honestly, I just have always been my own man and I liked.

[David Borey]

No, I get. I get it. I don't think that it's.

[Langston Kerman]

I. I dip my. I dip my spaghetti in the sauce on the side.

[Larry Wilmore]

What?

[Langston Kerman]

No, I'll leave. I'll leave here. No, man, I don't even. You know my. I don't even eat spaghetti at restaurants.

[David Borey]

Yeah, that's true.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah, that's really. How dumb?

[David Borey]

Go ahead, tell the truth.

[Langston Kerman]

I just OD'd on it. There's just so much spaghetti. And if I'm going to another. No, no, no, no, no, no. I like pasta with sauce on. It's just. Spaghetti to me is an at home meal, man. Black spaghetti, white. I just like. I just. I'm not trying to get spaghetti at the restaurant.

[David Borey]

I thought it was because of the conspiracy theory.

[Langston Kerman]

Which one? Oh, the menstrual blood?

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, that's just a happy. That's just a happy coincidence.

[David Borey]

Oh, it's not.

[Langston Kerman]

I also have not got. Gotten. I. I also. Nobody got.

[Larry Wilmore]

Spaghetti sauce is minced over there.

[David Borey]

No, it's a little more complicated than that. There is.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Larry, relax.

[Larry Wilmore]

Okay, thank you.

[Langston Kerman]

It's just. She's trying to Put the woo on you.

[Larry Wilmore]

Siri, cancel Olive Garden reservation. Thank you.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, well, that goes to the top.

[David Borey]

Damn, we got our one cancellation.

[Langston Kerman]

No, man, I just like home spaghetti better. I like, I like.

[Larry Wilmore]

You want to put your own menstrual but in it.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, well, no, it would be my wife.

[Larry Wilmore]

Exactly. I'm a one woman.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm a one woman, man.

[Larry Wilmore]

What's hers is yours.

[Langston Kerman]

I like everything else that the Italians do for pasta. Been to your country, Enjoy eating it there, all the options. Give it to me. I love it. Yeah, but spaghetti.

[David Borey]

Spaghetti, you're good on that's.

[Langston Kerman]

I just had. I just had too much of it. It was just so much growing up.

[Larry Wilmore]

Fair enough.

[Langston Kerman]

That spot of spaghetti is four days.

[Larry Wilmore]

You know what I mean? You only trust yourself.

[Langston Kerman]

It's not even that. It's not even that. It's just spaghetti. It's like the one that we ate all the time.

[David Borey]

It's triggering, which is crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, yeah. People don't like. You never hear anybody be like rigatoni again.

[David Borey]

Yeah, but like, spaghetti's a cheap meal. It's easy to make. It's like, it's the one that I learned to make first.

[Langston Kerman]

But I also like it that I like that version of it. I like the disrespectful American spaghetti.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah. When I was in college, I would make a of piece pot of spaghetti to last for the week.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

It lasted me the whole week.

[Langston Kerman]

You know what? You never did that with Cacio Pepe. You know what I mean?

[Larry Wilmore]

Last for the night.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Cacio e Pepe don't last at the table for me, man. I run through it. I love that shit.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Love to Cacio Pepe.

[David Borey]

I think we don't have an answer for this person other than seek treatment. Seek help for whatever ails you. And I pray that this is. Is helpful. But I can't imagine it was as

[Langston Kerman]

these calls often come down. To figure it out with your mom is really the basis. There's like a lot of the podcast.

[David Borey]

You're so right. The podcast is called My Mama Told Me. Let her tell you something.

[Langston Kerman]

Let her tell you something.

[David Borey]

Let her tell you something and y' all talk about it.

[Langston Kerman]

You don't have to maintain a relationship, but you do have to forgive her for yourself.

[Larry Wilmore]

Now, last night, let me tell you what your mommy told me. No, no, I can't do that.

[Langston Kerman]

She told me this bikini.

[David Borey]

Larry, this is great. This is fun.

[Larry Wilmore]

Thanks, man.

[David Borey]

Could you tell the people where they can find you what cool shit you got going on?

[Larry Wilmore]

I will Be this summer, Larry Davis is doing a new special on hbo. I have a really cool part in it, so I want people to look out for it. HBO, it kind of celebrates 250 years of the country. And he's doing different skits in different eras.

[David Borey]

Fuck, yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

And I get to do one of them with him.

[David Borey]

That's dope.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

And I'll be in club, you know, L.A. around the country doing standup these days, so look for me there.

[David Borey]

Yeah, go follow Larry. Go watch the goddamn shows. All of them. Great. What you got?

[Langston Kerman]

I'm outside, baby. It's springtime. I just got me a beach wagon. Langston's about to pull up. We're going crazy.

[David Borey]

Yeah, we're going to the beach.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, man. We'll talk about it.

[David Borey]

I'm in it. I sincerely want to go.

[Langston Kerman]

You know, I'm out there. Coolguyjokes87 on Instagram. You know, just my don't tell might be out. Come see me do stand up. I put it in the stories or whatever.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm still not on the road like that.

[David Borey]

No, you're. You're fighting it hard.

[Langston Kerman]

I. After. After the wedding, I'll go back out on tour.

[David Borey]

That makes sense. I'm getting married soon.

[Larry Wilmore]

Oh, congratulations.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

Yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

Whole life of spaghetti coming up.

[Langston Kerman]

Well, you are my spaghetti. That's how I did it.

[David Borey]

That wasn't fair. You are married.

[Langston Kerman]

I am married. But you are the one where everybody's flying in.

[David Borey]

You are getting the big formal wedding. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Larry Wilmore]

Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you.

[David Borey]

It's gonna be cool.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Hit her in the head with a boat. She was mine three years later. I did do that. I hit it in one of the remote control boats.

[David Borey]

Really?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. One of the first times we ever kicked it. We were at like. It was like.

[Larry Wilmore]

Like in Long beach or.

[Langston Kerman]

No, no, this was in Denver. It was like I had just come up on the boats. You remember when that era.

[David Borey]

No. You were bragging about your remote control boats quite a bit.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, it was pretty cool. I was zooming around. She had got in the water with the dot with Stella, and I accidentally hit her in the head. And I wouldn't even like on it like that. And then. It's crazy how that goes.

[David Borey]

You finessed it.

[Larry Wilmore]

Yeah.

[David Borey]

That might be one of the greatest finesses I've ever heard.

[Langston Kerman]

That's TBI to. I do TBI do, bro.

[David Borey]

They're mad they didn't put that in Hitch.

[Larry Wilmore]

Still sounds like a metaphor for something else. With a bow. Okay.

[Langston Kerman]

No, really. A problem when you find out how nerdy I actually am, like, I think people think it's cooler. And then they're like, no.

[Larry Wilmore]

The audience is like, we're clear. Yeah, we know.

[Langston Kerman]

No, I. I brought it up.

[David Borey]

I brought the boat error. Bummed me out for sure.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, you. I think it's cuz you never did it.

[David Borey]

I never did it.

[Langston Kerman]

Had you done it. I think it's. It's you. It's possible to.

[David Borey]

Maybe my frustration with it was I'm afraid of exploring that side of myself. So I apologize.

[Larry Wilmore]

Too vulnerable.

[Langston Kerman]

And there's stuff like that I think that he would think is fun that he doesn't want to go to vulnerability,

[Larry Wilmore]

doesn't care if it's fun.

[David Borey]

Why are you telling on me?

[Langston Kerman]

Because of the car thing. Because of the car thing. You know why I'm telling on you. Please tell your dates. Tell your dates you can find me in Detroit. Tell my niggas, bro.

[David Borey]

You can follow me at Langston Kerman on all social media platforms. I. I'm. I'm going to be in Denver at the comedy undergr the weekend of May 1st, and then you can see me at The Elysian on May 6 for the Netflix is a joke festival. I'll be doing my hour. It's gonna be great. Garrick Bernard is gonna open that thing up so it'll be really fun. And send us your own drops, your own conspiracy theories. If you want to tell us why Larry's science doesn't check out, send it all to mymamapodmail.com you can give us a call at 844-LITTLE MOMS. You can follow the Patreon. Subscribe over there.

[Langston Kerman]

Good stuff on there right now.

[David Borey]

We got some fun over there and and more importantly, enjoy yourself. Bye.

[Langston Kerman]

Hey, where the at? It's supposed to be titties. Where the Titties and the

[David Borey]

My Mama Told Me is a production of Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network and I

[Langston Kerman]

Heart podcast, created and hosted by Langston

[David Borey]

Kearney, co hosted by David Borey, executive

[Langston Kerman]

produced by Will Ferrell Hansani and Joelle Monique. Edited and engineered by Justin Comed.

[David Borey]

Music by Nick Chambers.

[Langston Kerman]

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[David Borey]

You can now watch episodes of My Mama told me on YouTube, follow YMama told me and subscribe to our channel.

[Langston Kerman]

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