Tyler Perry is the Devil!! (with Sydnee Washington) RERUN

Summary

Podcast Summary:

My Mama Told Me – “Tyler Perry is the Devil!!” (with Sydnee Washington) RERUN
Podcast: My Mama Told Me (Big Money Players Network/iHeartPodcasts)
Date: June 4, 2026
Hosts: Langston Kerman & David Gborie
Guest: Sydnee Washington

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Overview

This episode dives into a conspiracy theory from the world of Black pop culture: “Tyler Perry is the Devil”—with tongue firmly in cheek. Hosts Langston and David are joined by comedian Sydnee Washington to riff, roast, and thoughtfully debate the cultural legacy, industry practices, and artistic merits (or lack thereof) of Tyler Perry, Lee Daniels, and other Black creatives in Hollywood. The conversation blends jokes, hot takes, cultural critique, and moments of genuine reflection on Black art, labor, and representation in film and television.

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Episode Structure & Key Segments

1. Light Banter and Set-Up (04:58–06:15)

• The hosts joke about the show’s format—deep-diving into Black conspiracy theories.
• Side jokes about Nicolas Cage as a hypothetical Latino actor and Tyler Perry’s potential involvement ("I think Tyler Perry can make that happen. Nicholas Cage, Tyler Perry." – Langston, 05:22).
• Introduce Sydnee Washington in a playful and affectionate way.

2. Setting the Ground: Critiquing Tyler Perry (11:06–15:41)

• Sydnee shares her “conspiracy” (really more a sardonic observation): "Tyler Perry is the Devil. And specifically Cicely Tyson died to get out of her contract with him." (Langston at 11:33)
• The hosts riff on the “death row” nature of working with Tyler Perry—multiple guest actors, recurring roles, typecasting.
• The motif of being trapped in "the Perryverse" is explored with references to actors like Janet Jackson, Taraji P. Henson, and Idris Elba.

3. Industry Practices: Labor and Artistry (14:53–16:39)

• David pivots to serious industry criticism:
  • Non-union labor practices: "The reason I think he's the Devil is not the actual movie... the labor practices that really kind of get to me." (David, 14:52)
  • Perry’s studio demands intense work and “commitment you can’t back out of.”
  • Discussion of the “stink” of being typecast as “a Tyler Perry actor” (Langston at 16:39).

4. Typecasting, Actor Trajectories, and Perry’s Influence (16:39–19:42)

• Allen Payne is used as an example ("Give us back Allen Payne, Tyler Perry." – Langston, 17:37).
• Comparison to Bokeem Woodbine—who escapes typecasting for a “second act” while Allen Payne doesn’t.
• Black actors in the Perryverse often can’t pivot like (white) mainstream actors.

5. Debating the Artistic Merits: Which Perry/Lee Daniels Projects Are Defendable? (29:15–32:21)

• The hosts play: “Which films actually are defendable for society?”
• Precious named as both Lee Daniels and Tyler Perry vehicle that “gives Sundance,” is challenging, and artistic.
• Debate about whether stacking so many tragedies on one character is "human experience" or just "tragedy porn."
  • “How much of that was just a weird stacking of awful on top of awful and not really a human experience to make us better?” (Langston, 31:58)

Notable Quotes:

• “Monique playing that mother so well, to the point where, like, do we like Monique?” (Langston, 30:54)
• “You didn’t read the book.” (Sydnee, 31:56, when Langston confesses to bringing his sisters to see 'Precious' without foreknowledge)
• “Please stop listening to this. Go seek help now because you have so much going on...” (Langston, 33:23, about anyone living the full plot of Precious)

6. “Monster’s Ball” and “Crash” – Awards, Tragedy, and Context (36:46–41:34)

• Discussion expands to the Academy Awards, Monster's Ball’s impact, and (white) Hollywood’s praise for certain Black narratives.
• Joking about Leonardo DiCaprio having to be mauled by a bear for his Oscar ("when Leonardo DiCaprio was in everything, they didn’t give him that award until he got raped by a bear” – Langston, 41:34).
• Crash: “I’m not saying that Luda didn’t do a fine job. I’m saying that you don’t give a Ludacris film best Picture.” (Langston, 39:32)

7. Can Tyler Perry's Work Be Defended? (47:49–54:32)

• David: “Why Did I Get Married? I fucked with that Heavy...and 2, and meh.” (David, 48:06)
• Langston likens Perry’s output to Adam Sandler: “Adam really thought this was funny...Tyler I don’t think gives a fuck.” (49:34)
• The Perry Model: Rush it out, audiences will watch, sometimes that’s genius, sometimes it’s destructive for the artform.

Notable Quotes:

• “The deterioration of art is like a fundamental reflection of, like, what’s happening in the larger world around us.” (Langston, 51:48)
• “No, he's an innovator for sure. Like, he really broke ground on some vile, vile shit.” (Langston, 52:07)
• “These dumb dumbs trapped in a cave.” (Langston, about people stuck in the Perry system, 53:03)
• “You don’t even mean that...If you love Allen so much, I want you to get his tattoo.” (David and Langston, 53:19)

8. Closing Arguments & Final Reflections (61:18–63:19)

• David: "Him being the devil...is the way that he runs the ship...the sinister thread that we can all agree on." (61:18)
• Langston: “He’s saving insane amounts of money to hoard for himself by not paying people what they're worth and not unionizing...” (61:38)
• Quips about not “committing suicide” if anything happens to them after this episode (Langston/David, 62:10-62:27).
• “I just dream of a day when we don’t have to hold ourselves to the standard of the worst white person.” (Langston, 56:31)
• “That’s not how art is made all the time. We didn’t go to NYU. We didn’t go to Juilliard.” (Langston, 57:10)
• Hosts agree on the need for human decency, even amid “messy art.”

9. Outro & Promos (64:09–66:22)

• Sydnee plugs her podcast “Mess” and Instagrams.
• Running jokes about the audience make-up at live shows.
• Reminder to send in listener conspiracy theories, feedback, “call your mom,” and buy merch.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote or Moment | |-----------|---------|----------------| | 11:33 | Langston | “You said, my mama told me Tyler Perry is the devil… And specifically Cicely Tyson died to get out of her contract with him.” | | 14:52 | David | “The reason I think he's the Devil is not the actual movie… the labor practices that really kind of get to me.” | | 16:39 | Langston | “The stink that it puts on you once you do become a Tyler Perry person…” | | 31:58 | Langston | “How much of that was just a weird stacking of awful on top of awful and not really a human experience to make us better?” | | 33:23 | Langston | “If you're listening and this is your story. Please stop listening to this. Go seek help now because you have so much going on...” | | 39:32 | Langston | “I'm not saying that Luda didn't do a fine job. I'm saying that you don't give a Ludacris film best Picture.” | | 41:34 | Langston | “When Leonardo DiCaprio was in everything, they didn't give him that award until he got raped by a bear.” | | 51:48 | Langston | “The deterioration of art is like a fundamental reflection of, like, what's happening in the larger world around us.” | | 61:18 | David | “Him being the devil to me does come down to more than content or anything. I think it's the way that he runs the ship that is the thing…” | | 62:10 | Langston | “If Dave, Langston, and me die, we did not commit suicide.” |

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Thematic Highlights

On Tyler Perry as "the Devil"

• The “devil” framing is a comic exaggeration, but real labor grievances and questions about creative/artistic responsibility undergird the humor.
• The hosts and guest agree Perry’s sheer productivity has opened doors for Black talent but often at the cost of professional standards and long-term career options.

On Black Art and Standards

• The panel debates whether Black art must always be “excellent” or if it can be just as mediocre, messy, or commercial as mainstream (usually white) cultural output.
• Jokes aside, the most passionate critique is about decency in labor practices and the traps of typecasting Black creatives within Perry’s “studio system.”

On the Value of Messiness

• Sydnee and the hosts argue for the legitimacy of “messy” Black media in a world that demands Black excellence: “We should be able to be as messy and ridiculous and unprofessional as everybody else in this business.”

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Conclusion: Hosts' Final Positions

• Langston: Clear that his critique is structural—he wants Black creatives, especially powerful moguls, to invest more in quality and decency. Holds “90% bad, 10% good” opinion of Perry’s output.
• David: Sees both merit and harm: Perry is innovative but undermines industry standards and worker protections; nonetheless, some projects have value and serve a loyal audience.
• Sydnee: Takes a both/and view—Perry’s media output normalizes “mess” for Black creators, but also “traps” some actors and talents; finds more to defend in Lee Daniels’ work.

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Listener Takeaway

• This episode is a blend of comedy and candor, balancing the real-world effects of Tyler Perry’s Hollywood empire—on industry labor, on Black representation, and on the creative landscape at large—with irreverent, insider humor.
• It’s funny, raw, and leaves listeners with food for thought about the complexities of “making it” in Black Hollywood.

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For more, follow the hosts on Instagram, checkout Sydnee’s new podcast “Mess,” and send your conspiracy theories to the show!

Transcript

[Langston Kerman]

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[David Boyd]

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[Langston Kerman]

I turned off news altogether.

[David Boyd]

I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything.

It's the rage bait.

[Langston Kerman]

It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Bluff]

We got clear facts. Maybe we could calm down a little.

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[Langston Kerman]

Nicholas Cage has been been every version of a person in Hollywood. He's been a joke, yeah, he's been a fraud. He's been somebody we we treated like

an idiot, but he's always been white. We haven't seen him switch it. We haven't seen Latino like now.

I would like that.

Where he at?

I would like that quite a bit.

I think Tyler Perry can make that happen. Nicholas Cage, Tyler Perry.

[David Boyd]

I think they need a collaboration made inside of Anthem. And I think those two can only link together for evil.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I think Toopie can make it happen. Anyway.

The government growing babies microchips in your anus. All koala bears are racist. The ozone layer owes me money.

[David Boyd]

Washington, Ben and turkey stuff y' all can't tell me about so I creep yeah, I just keep it on the down low Cause no one else is supposed to know. Welcome real mamas and gentiles alike to Another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told

[Langston Kerman]

Me, the podcast where we dive deep, deep into the pockets of black conspiracy

[David Boyd]

theories, and we finally work to prove that Andre 3000 has lost a couple of those numbers. Is Andre 2642 after that flute ship? My name is David Boyd.

[Langston Kerman]

Man, I don't like hearing it, but I'm, like, siding German.

Yeah.

[David Boyd]

I think that I exaggerated the number, the amount of numbers he lost, because, yeah, it's.

[Langston Kerman]

It's like.

[David Boyd]

It's in, like, the 2389. He's good. He's. Yeah. And I just don't like flutes. That's not his fault.

[Langston Kerman]

I think he's. I think he's still only lost a few points, but. But it. Yeah, you. You just want that rap album, baby.

[David Boyd]

Yeah. Someday.

[Langston Kerman]

Someday.

[David Boyd]

I feel like a Trump presidency if it pushes us to a new 3000 album.

[Langston Kerman]

Go ahead, finish your sentence.

[David Boyd]

Not as bad as it could have been, is all I'm saying.

[Langston Kerman]

Finish your sentence. Four days. Four days in, you're like, this ain't so bad.

[David Boyd]

Oh, man, I've already resigned to it, man.

[Langston Kerman]

This man's not even in the Oval Office again yet. You're like, nah, we'll be all right.

[David Boyd]

No, look on the bright side, Links.

[Langston Kerman]

We can't dilly or dally any more than we already have. Our guest today is in studio with us. She's phenomenal. A dear friend, an artist, a comedian, a unit.

Come on, Lacey, do it.

But so much more. She's a dear friend. We're so happy she's here. Give it up for Sydney Washington, everybody.

You know what? An intro. I mean, no credits. Just. She's a person. She's vibes. She's a vibe.

[David Boyd]

They love you, though.

[Langston Kerman]

She's funny. Thank you. I appreciate y'.

All. We love all vibes over here.

So I have. So you don't like the flute?

[David Boyd]

I'm not.

[Langston Kerman]

You. Not here for the flute.

[David Boyd]

I don't have discerning a taste enough to understand how good it is, I think.

[Langston Kerman]

Really?

So that's a you thing.

[David Boyd]

That's what I said in the intro. I was like, it's. You know, I'm not a fluke guy. It doesn't mean he's not expanding.

[Langston Kerman]

No, he's already expanded, baby. He did it.

[David Boyd]

He left us behind.

[Langston Kerman]

First of all,

Catch up.

[David Boyd]

And I'm hurt, and I'm just a bitter ex.

[Langston Kerman]

He ascended.

[David Boyd]

Yeah, yeah, we're idiots.

[Langston Kerman]

A bitter ex. He's doing better than you, babe.

He's working hard the way you're going hard for this suggests to me that you did like the flute album, that you.

Oh, absolutely not. But I say. I say it's all about elevation. You have to elevate. You have to be a tastemaker. You can't be doing what everybody else is doing because they're doing it. You understand? If everybody is on the train rapping for dollar bills, Andre is like, no, no, no. I don't want to be associated with that. Flutes. I don't see flutes everywhere.

That's fair.

[David Boyd]

That implies that he's not competitive. Like, if everybody on the trail was rapping, he's still rapping better than all the people for dollars.

[Langston Kerman]

We've moved on. We've done it.

[David Boyd]

Have you moved on?

[Langston Kerman]

Yes, we have.

[David Boyd]

You just said you didn't like it.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't like it because I don't have an ear for it.

[David Boyd]

Well, that's what I said.

[Langston Kerman]

That's what he said.

You know what? I just. Christopher Columbus your whole shit. Yo. How does it feel?

[David Boyd]

Terrible.

[Langston Kerman]

How does it feel, white man? Terrible.

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You?

[Langston Kerman]

Yes.

[David Boyd]

Just because there's one on my shirt doesn't mean there's one in my heart.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh.

Why did you direct that at me?

[David Boyd]

I don't know.

[Langston Kerman]

I was helping you, though.

[David Boyd]

I was panicking.

[Langston Kerman]

Mike, I come here to dismantle this brotherhood, and it's working.

[David Boyd]

That's the true evil in and of itself. What? We're united. We got pictures on our shirts. I see stronger than we've ever been.

[Langston Kerman]

It hurts to see this like you. Obviously, y' all are really good at whatever you're doing, and I have to support it. I salute you.

I think by whatever you're doing, you mean talking to niggas at the mall. Excuse me, man. You think you could pull this off

[David Boyd]

and he could shout out, it looks good.

[Langston Kerman]

Y' all love it.

[David Boyd]

Jay Romero in a mall. I don't know the name of how much it cost. Enough.

[Langston Kerman]

No, this don't come cheap, sweetheart. You're gonna want that podcast to get at least a few more episodes in.

Clearly, if I want to start buying shirts. Not yet.

[David Boyd]

I'm a Bill Will Ferrell for this. This isn't.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, absolutely. Send that invoice in and invoice Andre as well.

[David Boyd]

Feels like you were on my side, and then I lost you just a little bit.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay, we enough. A goddamn enough.

Yes.

We have a conspiracy that you brought. You brought to us no more than two hours ago. You said, I have a conspiracy. This is something I believe passionately. And we broadened that conspiracy a little just to Be able to open this conversation up. But you said. My mama told me Tyler Perry is the devil.

Absolutely. And specifically Cicely Tyson died to get out of her contract with him.

Wow.

The new death row.

Okay,

You don't want me all in the video.

All in a dress in the video. Hitting people with your purse.

Yeah.

That has a gun in it.

[David Boyd]

Writing in your diary.

[Langston Kerman]

Pushing down the stairs.

Got Janet Jackson in her curly, wet and wavy crying.

[David Boyd]

That was a good cry, though.

[Langston Kerman]

Crying about her husband on the down low.

So you doing the bending. But that is another movie. That's.

Oh, that's not. Jenna did multiple.

That's for. That was for colored girls that considered suicide. That's.

But she did multiple.

Yes, she did.

[David Boyd]

I think I love my wife.

[Langston Kerman]

I think I love my wife.

[David Boyd]

No. Why did I.

[Langston Kerman]

Why did I get married?

[David Boyd]

Why did I get married?

[Langston Kerman]

Well, I knew she did multiple. Why did I get married? I didn't know that she then also extended into, like, the multiverse of Tyler Perry.

Yes. That's.

You know what I mean?

[David Boyd]

Like, I think that's how you do it.

[Langston Kerman]

That's how you do it. You don't just do. If you do one thing, you're bad, that means you're not useful. He can't. He can't capitalize on that.

But some people sober up to it to some extent. Like, Taraji did one. She's not going back to Tyler.

[David Boyd]

Did she do more than one? Was it just, I can do bad all by myself?

[Langston Kerman]

I think she only did that. I can do bad all by myself. I could be wrong, but even if she did, Idris is another example of, like, I fucked around over here for a second, but I'm not.

What do you do? Daddy's little girl? Yeah, Daddy's little girl. That wasn't terrible. That wasn't bad.

[David Boyd]

The issue is not the quality of the movie. Some of them I really like.

[Langston Kerman]

Really?

That's. It's not the quality.

[David Boyd]

Yeah, I already.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm gonna already faint. Stop the breaks.

[David Boyd]

I consume some of those movies like junk food.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[David Boyd]

It's just like.

[Langston Kerman]

So it's not good for you.

[David Boyd]

There's no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In small doses, though, it feels good. You know what I mean? Like, it's just like. There's no major problems. It's just rich black people running around.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, that's interesting.

[David Boyd]

That's like. I like that. I'm cool with that.

[Langston Kerman]

You don't see them in the comedies.

[David Boyd]

Not in the ones where it's like. But you don't see them in Any

[Langston Kerman]

way, like, morally corrupt or sort of,

[David Boyd]

like, harmful the characters within the movie? Yeah, not more so than, like, I see anybody in any other movie. Like, I. I don't.

[Langston Kerman]

Whoa.

Are you.

Are you.

Are you all the way awake when you're watching this?

[David Boyd]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Pretty. Are you conscious?

[David Boyd]

It's like. It's like. Yeah, it's like if you're feeling down, you just watch, like a funny, happy movie.

[Langston Kerman]

If you're feeling down, you put on Tyler Perry.

[David Boyd]

There's a couple movies. Yeah, there's a couple movies.

[Langston Kerman]

Do you have a therapist?

We're in between.

[David Boyd]

It's a moving thing.

[Langston Kerman]

Brother named Tyler Perry.

Tyler Perry also does Tyler Perry.

He says hello.

[David Boyd]

Yes. Yeah, I'm just saying it's a big. There's a big market for it. The reason I think he's the Devil is not the actual movie. Whoa.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[David Boyd]

I think it's the. The labor practices that really kind of get to me.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[David Boyd]

You know what I mean?

[Langston Kerman]

Explain.

[David Boyd]

Explain, like, not being union and stuff like that in an industry where, like, the standard is to work union. So it's like you're already putting the people who work with you at, like, a little bit of a disadvantage, right?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah.

Yeah.

[David Boyd]

And then it's like. So it's like you build this thing that is massive and does give a lot of jobs, and that's very important, but you make it so that these people are tied to you in a way. Yeah. You understand creating. If you were allowing people to bounce over here and here and here and get money and that was cool, then it makes sense. But now it feels like if you're keeping a stable, it feels like you're not allowing people to grow.

[Langston Kerman]

I'm my brother's keeper. I know a few barbers who have dipped in and out of, like, the Tyler Perry space. And all of them sort of like, in a weird way, get sort of like, like, ah, nah, I'm not going back over there. Or I. When I go over there, I gotta really be down to be over there. Cause you're working crazy hours. You're sort of being manipulated in this space. And then I think they're expecting a commitment that you can't, like, back out of easy. You know what I mean?

[David Boyd]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Well, because it's like, again, it's that thing about, like, exposure. You're like, well, I'm in this, so this is actually gonna help me. And then after a couple rounds of it, you're like, wait, I'm still a bartender.

Yeah.

I mean, I'm a well known Bartender. People know me, but I still have to bartend on the side because I can't make everything ends meet.

I also think where it gets complicated is to your point, the stink that it puts on you once you do become a little bit of a Tyler Perry person, you know what I mean? Like, did we see maximum Allen Payne potential?

[David Boyd]

Wow. This is. I need to say firsthand, I didn't even know you.

[Langston Kerman]

You. You threw me for a loop.

[David Boyd]

This is the third time you threw

[Langston Kerman]

me for a little bit.

[David Boyd]

The second time we talked about Allen Payne in a week.

[Langston Kerman]

You know what I mean?

[David Boyd]

Great.

[Langston Kerman]

You mean. You mean Jason's lyric, the Allen Payne.

Oh, he was a great actor.

He was in everything. Come on.

[David Boyd]

From the 80s.

[Langston Kerman]

He was in everything.

[David Boyd]

He had like a 10 year run.

[Langston Kerman]

He was in every six he was making.

He was handsome.

Handsome hot. That curl pattern. Yeah, we don't see that kind of curl pattern now.

And it was a.

[David Boyd]

No, he was a double pattern, natural curl pattern.

[Langston Kerman]

He was. He was a clearly black man.

Yes.

With a natural curl. This nigga had it all.

[David Boyd]

Yeah, you would have. I would have bet the house on it.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, I would have bet the house on it.

[Ashley from Ben and Ashley Podcast]

And he.

[Langston Kerman]

And he sunk his fucking ship over there. What happened? Do you know what I mean? Give us back Allen Payne, Tyler Perry.

Or what? Or wait, was it Tyler Perry or that? It was just like Allen Payne had got typecasted so many times that we were like. We didn't seen this song and dance.

[David Boyd]

That is a level of. That is a difficult thing, right? If you get typecast that much. But you don't grow to a level where it's unanimous that people know you're.

[Langston Kerman]

That.

[David Boyd]

You kind of can't work in that forever.

[Langston Kerman]

But I'll challenge you all. I will challenge you on this, because on the flip, look at Bo Keem Woodbine, who, Who went through it, had like this heightened moment where he was sort of typecast as this like crazy eyed villain and shit, but then took a break and came back, came back chubby and now has had a whole new career, do you know what I mean? As sort of older. He did Fargo, which was amazing. Yeah, they said.

And they said that was the best part of the movie.

Listen, Bo King Woodbine is the best. But he never went over there. And that's what I'm saying is that maybe there's a world where Alan Payne finds his true detective moment.

[David Boyd]

Okay?

[Langston Kerman]

But we cut him short.

We got to put him in an A24 situation.

[David Boyd]

We got to get him on here.

[Langston Kerman]

I Think some people or once you get in mainstream, you have that opportunity to do all things, like bad, good things that you're like, why are you even a part of this? But certain, specifically black people, once you get into that little corner, that's it. That's all you have. Like Glenn Close, she was in Deliverance. I'm coughing cause I can't even catch. I can't even breathe. The work that she did in that movie one, I was like, oh. She's like, I've done everything that I need to do. I've. I have ascended to the point of let's play.

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Yes, why not? Now the wigs. The wigs were not by Tyler Perry in that movie. Glenn Close. I almost was like, is she biracial? She was Giving Rachel Dolezal a run for her fucking money. I'm gonna say that on air.

As somebody who has not seen the movie, I assure you she is not.

She is.

I looked at all them clips y' all were posting, and I was sober when I. You know what I mean? Like, y' all were. Y' all were enthralled. So you were bought into the whole experience. As somebody who did not experience it, I was like, this looks.

No. She said, nappy pussy on in the movie. And I said, whoo. We're gone.

She's gone.

She's like. But they were every. Everybody black was like, she's gotta win a Golden Globe for this, basically.

And everybody white was like, what the fuck are you talking about?

Is she unwell? Is her man? Where is her man? Is it the braids? Is it the braids? That's what the white people were saying with Glenn. But Glenn has done it all. She has proven herself so she can do that. But once you get into the. I feel like the Tyler Perry realm, it's kind of wrapped up, and I

think that's the scary part. Right? Is that even that movie? I don't. It's not a Tyler Perry production.

[David Boyd]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

It's Lee Daniels, which is the cousin. The cousin of Tyler Perry, I think there.

I think. And I don't disagree with you, I think Lee Daniels is Certainly Tyler Perry Jr. Yes, he would love to be Tyler Perry in some form or fashion. That said, I think Lee Daniels still. They let Lee Daniels do too much, you know what I mean, in the legitimate spaces where they gave him Oscars and nominations.

But he is. First of all, we have to. No, let's not be anti black. These brothers have done some good work. There have been some things.

[David Boyd]

That's what I was saying.

[Langston Kerman]

I know, Dave. I'm sorry. They have done. Really. They've been some pieces where you're like, you know what? This is art.

Give me. And maybe we should take the break. This is a good way for us to go on break. I think this will be fun. When we come back, we're going to unpack some projects that we think are defendable for Tyler Perry and or Lee Daniels. We'll talk through the ones that we think are truly defendable, and we'll talk about why. But we'll come back and we'll be back with more Sidney Washington and more. My mama told me.

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I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections and it's like, okay, yo yo yo. Is this indulgent? And I really thought about it. I was like, no. At this point it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that that deeply emotionally affected me and I left it on the mic. That's great because it served the story. People will say like oh my God, I cried at the end. It's like yeah dude, me too.

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It's the rage bait.

It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Bluff]

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I'm not about to bite my tongue. We want to sell it out. And the dates are coming up fast. And so if you live in one of these areas, we want you to buy your tickets now. It's all available on our Instagrams, on our websites, on our link tree. December 12th, we're in Seattle. And December 15th, you're closing it out in Portland, Oregon. We want y' all to come out. We want y' all to kick it. We will be doing our coveted live show with special guests, just me and David. Depending on the city, it'll be a great time.

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[David Boyd]

We are back discussing our favorite Tyler Perry movies.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, God.

[David Boyd]

Was that not.

[Langston Kerman]

I don't know that that was the assignment at all.

[David Boyd]

I had to tweak it because your parameters weren't working.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay. I think what it should be is more this question. If we're talking about these figures as evil, right? As sort of spawn of Satan, as is sort of implied here, I think we should be careful to remind ourselves which pieces at least hold some value for the greater good of society. That it's less about whether or not we like them and more do they actually benefit the larger world around us.

And I'm gonna go first.

Yeah.

So precious. That Lee Daniels, that was probably the most controversial.

And a Tyler Perry Production.

Everybody was involved. They had. Everybody. They had the.

Oprah was there.

Oprah was there.

Kaia Carey showed up.

[David Boyd]

Movie.

[Langston Kerman]

I watch it and I say, yes, this definitely gives Sundance. This gives. It's indie. Yes. This is, like. It feels like low budget, but in such an artistic way that I'm like, I can appreciate this now. The masses. The masses watching this story from the book. Push. It was hard. It was so hard. And Monique playing that mother so well, to the point where, like, do we like Monique?

Yes.

Do we like her?

[David Boyd]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

I almost think that people weren't on her side because they almost thought, you are that mother that was in Precious. You were touching your daughter. Like, that's how controversial the movie was, that everybody was playing the role so well, that you're like, this might be their real lives.

[David Boyd]

Mariah Carey went crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

Mariah Carey, rough draft. Mariah Carey. That was alarming. It was alarming. They threw on the Beauty Supply wig and they said, go.

Yeah.

Little bit of concealer. But she was great. She was incredible.

I love this as an answer because I similarly felt all of those things in seeing the film in theaters.

You went in theaters?

I went in theaters.

You went in theaters.

And I had my little sisters with me.

No, you didn't.

I swear to God. Because I was like, this is gonna be, like, a beautiful film of empowerment for them to see, like, this big girl who overcomes and, like, figures out a way to move forward.

You didn't read the book.

No.

You didn't.

And truly was just haunted by the experience. And so I asked this because I agree with you. I felt all those things. But how much of that was just a weird stacking of awful on top of awful and not really a human experience to make us better?

Well, T. I had a friend in it. Zosia.

Okay.

[David Boyd]

Yeah.

[Ray Porter]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

And I think this was her first big role. She killed it. I was like, so there. I'm being honest. I'm there supporting. Supporting something that I enjoy. Right. But then it is somebody's story, so should we not?

But it's not somebody's story that. You know what I mean? Like, parts of this are somebody's story. The experience of abuse is somebody's story. The experience of being overweight and the challenges of being poor is somebody's story. The experience of getting AIDS is somebody's story. But all of those combined into this single person. You know what I mean?

You don't think all that stuff can happen simultaneously. Yes, I'm sure this is somebody's story. If you're listening and this is your story. I need you to write in and let nuff

if you're listening and this is your story. Please stop listening to this. Go seek help now because you have so much going on that you don't have time to dilly or dally with podcasts. Truly, this is that's she was pregnant and didn't know she was pregnant. She was being assaulted by her mama and her daddy. She was Mariah Carey was trying to or Paula Patton was trying to save her. But then they had yes, yes, I

be on TikTok all day, all night. That is somebody's story. The way people be just diarrhea of the mouth just telling they business, they mama business, they cousins cousins and bad after bad after bad. I mean I don't even turn on the TV no more because people are telling us our problems.

I guess less than me saying it's impossible for anybody to experience this. I'm saying there's a point where it stops being any version of Universal, okay? It just starts being a singular since

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I turned off news altogether.

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I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything.

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It's the rage bait.

It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Bluff]

We got clear facts. Maybe we could calm down a little.

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[Langston Kerman]

Really fucked up story that nobody it doesn't belong to black people. It doesn't belong to brown people. That bitch's life sucks.

Well, she's not, period. Just say, don't be disrespectful. She's.

I'm just saying that's her shit.

Yeah.

And there's some people in this building that also have stories that are closer to, like, a universal experience. And I wonder about the tragedy porn. Even though for. For me, a person watching it, it worked. I was like, holy shit, this. This motherfucker is crazy.

Okay, what about Monster's Ball?

[David Boyd]

Whoa.

[Langston Kerman]

What about that? Halle Berry won it. Won that, Won that award, Won that golden ticket for this movie.

It's worth noting. Monster's Ball, you said, is a Lee D. Yes, Right. Okay, thoughts?

I mean, she is getting banged out by Billy Bob Thornton the whole time.

[David Boyd]

I know.

[Langston Kerman]

Not a drop of makeup, not a comb going through the hair. Yeah, Diddy's in it.

Diddy's in it.

Diddy's in it.

It's actually, I think one of his first serious roles, if I'm not mistaken.

Honestly, he ate. He ate. He was in jail.

He did pretty good.

Look at the foreshadowing of that. He was on death row, baby. The way the way the art works, it's always.

I feel like he was on death row. And they never told us why either.

He did not know.

They're just like, he was acting up.

Ledger was in it.

Well, Heath Ledger was in my.

Ledger was in it.

[David Boyd]

See?

[Langston Kerman]

Amazing rip. Shout out to him. I met him in real life. And sweet, sweet, sweet guy.

Okay.

Yeah, Gabe, good tip too.

Okay, yeah, yeah, that's good. That's good.

Some people like to speak ill of the dead. Not me.

Sydney came on here and so far has only defended white men.

Whoa, cut, cut, cut. The camera's dead ass. Cut it like, no. How dare you? You've been dragging left and right all dark skinned.

Mind you, that's my style. Let's go. You, on the other hand, are selling your people out.

Monsters Ball. I mean, I enjoy the rawness of it. Again, like, if this was like an 824 production, we'd be like, yeah, we're all in.

But I think it did get all the love, right? It's another example of one. I think it won. Well, she won the Oscar for it, certainly. I think it's just like a lot of films where we sober up to what the fuck we watched three years ago. Do you know what I mean?

You're saying it won then, but it wouldn't hold up right now.

Crash Won the Oscar for Best Picture and is now like.

[David Boyd]

Oh, my God. Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

People laugh at the idea that Crash was the best of the year.

Y' all didn't like the invisible cloak? He tried to cheat me. You don't like Crash? Crash is a. Wait a minute. Hold up. Their dragon. Crash?

Yeah. The people don't like Crash no more. How come? Because it starred Ludacris.

Now, that's the.

[David Boyd]

I don't think he's the worst part of that movie.

[Langston Kerman]

He was in 2 Fast 2 Furious. They loved that.

[David Boyd]

Yeah, it was Luda's time.

[Langston Kerman]

Guys, I'm not saying that Luda didn't do a fine job. I'm saying that you don't give a Ludacris film best Picture.

Lorenz Tate was in it.

That's true.

They had everybody and they mama in Crash. What are you talking about? Sandra Bullock. Yeah, the Patient Queen. Sandra. Sandra Bullock.

You know who?

Sandra. Samuel Bullock.

Yeah. You know, the only other type of movie that does movies like that, where everybody's in it is like, them shitty movies where it's like Valentine's Day, New Year's Eve.

Ryan Philippe was in it.

[Bluff]

Yeah, yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

It was too many big names for

you to be managing a truly good story.

That's true.

So then you just.

Like, in a. In a. They were making their points. Yeah, but then we found out the people who wrote it were white, so that's what fucked us up. That's what it was.

Which is why you pick Ludacrous. Yeah. Yeah.

[David Boyd]

And then you look at it as a whole, and you're like, damn, it did just that? Yeah, no, it did just what you thought they would do.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay, so Monster's Ball is a defendable for you. Precious is a defendable for you.

I wasn't mad at the movie, Halle Berry winning the Oscar for it. I was like, damn, why we gotta be down and out to win? But they do that for everybody. Either you gotta. What's her name? Charlize Theron. She had to get ugly and murder niggas. Like.

Yeah. You know, I think the only difference is they can also escape through, like, musicals. Do you know what I mean? Chicago. What's the LA one?

[David Boyd]

That Star Is Born.

[Langston Kerman]

No, no, no. Although A Star is Born is another good example. It's not quite. It is a musical to some extent, but the one where they're, oh, la

[David Boyd]

la land, la la land.

[Langston Kerman]

Those. They can be joyful. They can be not, like, look like shit.

And when Leonardo DiCaprio was in everything, they didn't give him that award until he got raped by a bear. So you know what? Maybe Academy is just doing everybody wrong. Actually, Actually, it's. It's one for one. It's one for one.

I like that. That's what you think happened with that bear.

That's what I saw.

[David Boyd]

It's what it looks like.

[Langston Kerman]

That's what it looked like.

[David Boyd]

That's what it looked like.

[Langston Kerman]

Am I wrong when they said, would you rather be trapped in the forest with a bear or a man? I'm like, well, which bear? Because if it's the bear in the movie with Leonardo DiCaprio, absolutely not.

[David Boyd]

Yeah, he's gonna take it.

[Langston Kerman]

That bear got him. I remember just learning what the premise of that movie was and thinking, damn, this is. Give this man the award. This seems crazy.

And they did. And they did. I think he read.

[David Boyd]

Did you guys watch it?

[Langston Kerman]

He read the script and said, you know what? It's time. It's time.

[David Boyd]

Now I gotta lock in.

[Langston Kerman]

Now I gotta lock in. He said, I get dirty. I froze to death in Titanic. Right? This is a different. This is a different type of death.

I'm not dying.

I'm not dying. I'm living. Jack. Jack.

Oh, her sweet voice.

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Hey everyone, it's Cal Penn. I'm the host of Earsay, the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast, I am sitting down with Ray Porter, the narrator of Andy Weir's audiobook project Hail Mary Massive sci fi adventure about survival and science and what happens when you wake up alone very far from Earth.

[Ray Porter]

I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections and it's like, okay, yo, yo, yo. Is this indulgent? And I really thought about it I was like, no, at this point, it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that that deeply, emotionally affected me. And I left it on the mic. That's great because it served the story. People will say like, oh my God, I cried at the end. It's like, yeah, dude, me too.

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It's the rage bait.

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It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Bluff]

We got clear facts. Maybe we can calm down a little.

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My mama told Me presents the Start the Steel tour. We're very excited about it.

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Yes.

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I'm not about to bite my tongue. We want to sell it out and the dates are coming, coming up fast. And so if you Live in one of these areas. We want you to buy your tickets now. It's all available on our Instagrams, on. On our. Our websites, on our link tree. December 12th, we're in Seattle. And December 15th, you're closing it out in Portland, Oregon. We want y' all to come out. We want y' all to kick it. We will be doing our coveted live show with special guests with just me and David depending on the city. It'll be a great time.

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Okay, here's what I'll say.

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Okay, here we go.

[David Boyd]

I'm looking at the full Tyler Perry filmography.

[Langston Kerman]

Well, okay. And it's worth noting she only defended Lee Daniels.

[David Boyd]

Yeah.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. She brought nothing to the table for Tyler. Tyler, so far is indefensible for you.

[David Boyd]

Is that true?

[Langston Kerman]

Why did I get married? I fucked with that Heavy. I thought that was valid.

[David Boyd]

And 2.

[Langston Kerman]

And 2 and meh. 2. I said, I don't know if we need this, but I heard they was doing a why did I get married? 3. And that's why Cicely was like.

[David Boyd]

And then she died.

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Oh. She was like, I'm tired.

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I can't come back.

[Langston Kerman]

Because Tyler said I paid Cicely a million dollars for one day at work. And she was like, wait, why you telling her about my business? Yeah, that's because he was trying to let her know, hey, you gonna have to work some other days, babe. Yeah, we got more in the. We got more in the oven for you.

That million was in advance.

Yeah.

We got work to do.

Death Row.

[David Boyd]

We gotta shoot season 40 of Sisters.

[Langston Kerman]

Who we going to hell.

But Tyler, it's only been out three years.

Ooh, Atlanta. I wish he was back. Yeah.

[David Boyd]

I think that I'll take why did I get married? Just in the idea of just a romantic comedy. I don't think it detracts anything from art or the conversation or anything like that.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay.

[David Boyd]

Because I do think that when we're talking about him as a whole and his output, I don't think it needs to be. He doesn't have to be a 24 to be worthy of existing in the space. You know what I mean?

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. I think that's always been my issue with it.

[David Boyd]

Right.

[Langston Kerman]

Is it's not that I'm expecting him to be.

[David Boyd]

And worthy isn't even the right word. I just mean, like, it doesn't have

[Langston Kerman]

to be that stylized But I guess that's my point is I don't need it to be some high art. I just need it to hold itself to some standard. Do you know what I mean? That, like Adam Sandler movies, I don't, I don't like all of them. I don't like, honestly, most of them, but every single one of them, I go, oh, Adam really thought this was funny. Do you know what I mean? He really believed in like, whatever this configuration of funny people and jokes was, and he put it out believing that it was going to serve an audience. Whereas, like, Tyler I don't think gives a fuck.

But it does serve, though. And I think they're like, great degree.

[David Boyd]

That's what he does.

[Langston Kerman]

No, I don't. I don't mean that.

[David Boyd]

Some of the stuff is like, definitely just put together and rushed out. But some of them, you could tell, it's like he wanted this to be a good film, right?

[Langston Kerman]

Like he wanted to.

[David Boyd]

Yeah, he wanted. And it served his audience.

[Langston Kerman]

But I'm saying that that's the violence is to put out the rush shit, knowing you had more potential for a quality film even as you see it, right? Like, even if it's not objectively quality. You knew, like, all right, when I put this out, I stand on that. I believe in it.

But what if, what if Tyler Perry is ahead of the curve? And he said, these audiences, they're pretty bad. So what are we spending years trying to pull shit together and caring about throw it out there? They gonna watch it, they're gonna pay the money, they're gonna go, well, if

[David Boyd]

you look at it that way.

[Langston Kerman]

And honestly, genius, right?

[David Boyd]

If you look at it that way, he was a trailblazer. Well,

[Langston Kerman]

it's just like comed stand up comedians posting clips, you're like, that joke's not done. That needs some tags, whatever. It's like, what are we waiting for? Put it. And sometimes the stuff that's the most unfinished gets the most viral moments.

That's true.

Tyler Perry is, uh, oh, let's go.

[David Boyd]

No, let's go.

[Langston Kerman]

You want to stand up while you say this?

[David Boyd]

Let's go, let's go.

[Langston Kerman]

Put your hand on your heart. What the fuck is about to happen?

I think stand up comedians took a note from Tyler Perry and they said, put it out.

But I think that's where I start to go, like, yeah, but that is a greater destruction of the world, right? Yes. Because I do think the deterioration of art is like a fundamental reflection of, like, what's happening in the larger world

[David Boyd]

around us ahead of the curve doesn't necessarily mean good still. Right?

[Langston Kerman]

No, he's an innovator for sure. Like, he really broke ground on some vile, vile shit.

No, Writer's like, huge.

Yeah.

[David Boyd]

And that's so crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

That's. So now. Now that we are at all. Yeah. What? We know how it's done. You're like, sir, how much? Tell me what the Vyvanse prescription is.

But even. Even the idea that you have, like, all these shoots happening constantly on this large property that you're not doing multiple takes on, that you're not even fucking. Like, how do you know?

You're not there, Sydney.

[David Boyd]

What are we.

[Langston Kerman]

What game are we playing?

I just wanted to put it out there. I just want to hear a fact.

That's the whole point, is that we're not allowed to see it. Yeah, because they're doing crazy shit with these people whose lives that will never come back.

These people. Black people. Don't just say these people.

These dumb dumbs trapped in a cave.

I can't stand by that, brother. I can't. Now your hairline is nice. Don't push it back now.

Alan fucking Payne.

[David Boyd]

Whoa. You don't even mean that.

[Langston Kerman]

You don't.

[David Boyd]

You don't even mean that.

[Langston Kerman]

You don't. If you love Allen so much, I want you to get his tattoo. Get a tattoo. Alan. Alan. Alan Payne.

I just miss him.

Okay. He's alive.

Is he?

Find him on Instagram.

Not as far as I'm concerned. I bet he got a different Instagram.

He said that pain fucked him up.

I bet it's alantylerpane.

There was a new movie recently. Not recently, but, like, earlier this year that Tyler Perry made with Kelly Rowland, Mia Coppola. And I watched it. Yeah, I watched it. Was it terrible? No. Was it amazing? No, but I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. And that sometimes we just need something that we could put our eyes on, take us out of the moment.

But again, I think the point is less that he can't do it. I don't think my suggestion is. Everything he's ever made has been a violent violation. Daddy's little girls I like. I was like, ah, that's cool. I'm not offended by this. It just is. You just.

You want to do things that you want things made that doesn't offend you.

No, I'm saying I want there too be a standard of quality so that we're not getting clips of a dude getting punched in the face and spinning a full 360 and saying, Ugh. As he falls Down. I'm saying I want a billionaire who owns literally half of Atlanta to invest in quality wigs, and that not to be part of the conversation. I want to explore the world beyond. Mr. Brown, can they put music.

I need music. Olivia, everything that he's saying right now,

I want a real story that you believe in every time because you have the resources and frankly, you present to us to be this healer of our community. So put the effort in to show us that love every single time.

So once you say it's once, all that done is Tyler Langston will be right on that motherfucking lot. That's what he's trying to tell you. He's trying to tell you, get your.

Get your money out, buddy. When I run out, I'll come be a slave.

Cut. Cut. Got me a part of.

I'll slave away, and I'll bring Cindy and her unit with me.

This is really. Have just.

[David Boyd]

It's ending. Pro Tyler Perry, which is.

[Langston Kerman]

That's how you know it's.

No, I. I want to be clear. I'm. I could not be more anti Tyler Perry. You two are pro Tyler Perry. For me, I am the exact opposite. I think he's the worst.

I'm pro, you know, so we should be able to be as messy and ridiculous and unprofessional as everybody else in this business, and we are not. We're not allowed to. And Tyler Perry is doing that. And so therefore, I salute you, brother. But it also is, like, bad because, like you said, there's so many people who are trapped in this circle of Perry production.

I just dream of a day when we don't have to hold it. Hold ourselves to the standard of the worst white person.

I didn't say white. Now you said white.

Well, you. It was white.

I said the industry. I said. I said the industry. I feel like we are.

You almost said Jewish.

[David Boyd]

Oh, my God.

[Langston Kerman]

What the hell is wrong with you? I did not say that. What I'm saying is we always have to do black excellence. Black excellence. We got to have all the credibility. We've got to go to school for it. We have to be so about this life. And it's just like, that's not how art is made all the time. We didn't go to nyu. We didn't go to Juilliard. So that means that the way we conduct acting and comedy or whatever is not up to standard.

No, I think. I'm not suggesting even for a second that there needs to be a standardization of quality. I'm not suggesting that There needs to be a standardization of this industry. But I do think that, like, this breaks down to questions of human decency.

For me, human decency.

This is not just, oh, I made the best movie I could make. And if you like it, you like it. If you don't, you don't. I've seen plenty of those movies, and we can argue all day about which ones those are, but there's nothing he's putting in on Sisters. Do you know what I'm saying?

Oh, yo, when I tell you the BET Bandits is gonna be after you. Oh, brother. I don't wanna be a part. I don't wanna be a part of it.

I get it.

Someone make sure you untag.

Somebody's gonna be mad.

Sisters clan. They are. They will ride at dawn.

But that's what I'm saying. I get it that I'm.

The wigs are good on there.

I understand that.

There is an audience, the fillers, even better.

I don't think that he's trying his best on all of these things. And I think we gotta be honest about that, Dave.

[David Boyd]

I think that. What are we talking about? Is it like a ratios thing? Like, what do you think is good to bad ratio is.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, tell me. Let us know what you. Right now. Right now. Hold on. What is good for you Movie right now? Show.

No, no, no. That feels. That's complicating the conversation.

Okay. Cause you want to. Oh, you want to keep your job.

So, yeah. I'm not going to play this nasty little game and you try to hold me.

Who am I if I wouldn't do what I did? Who am I?

That's not the point of this conversation. Good try, sister.

I can't even. They won't even send me a script. I can't even get an audition for Sisters.

I. I think if we're talking ratio of what I think he offers up good, good to bad, I think it's 90% bad and 10% good.

Let me ask you a question. Did you like Vampire in Brooklyn?

I don't think it was a good movie.

You don't think it was a good movie?

No.

What is good?

Not that.

Why wasn't it good? Eddie Murphy was in it. Angela Bassett was in it. Yeah.

Eddie Murphy's in A Feeling.

Alan Payne was in it.

[David Boyd]

That's right.

[Langston Kerman]

He was in it. Yo you. Yo you. You fake.

You think it's a good movie?

You fake. Langston.

[David Boyd]

Excuse me?

[Langston Kerman]

You think it's a good movie?

The iconic, legendary Black Moon American film. Boo.

I'm not gonna where we swerve around it because a bunch of people we like are in it.

Butterscotch behavior. Boo. I'm not a part of it. Cause it's like, what?

Get off the stage. And sweet shit.

[David Boyd]

I did.

[Langston Kerman]

I loved it. There's a lot of movies Blend Context also was sponsoring that movie.

[David Boyd]

It's crazy, but it's not a great movie.

[Langston Kerman]

Thank you.

[David Boyd]

And that's fine.

[Langston Kerman]

That's okay.

[David Boyd]

I think that's kind of how it is with the Tyler Perry stuff.

[Langston Kerman]

I think.

Evil.

[David Boyd]

Good.

[Langston Kerman]

Will you get some evil ass.

Woo.

What's in this coffee? Feeling good.

Meth. This is meth like behavior. This whole episode has been brought to you by meth.

How dare you. How dare you text me an hour before the podcast and I brought my sisterly love here to save the pod. And now you said I'm on meth.

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Brother.

[Langston Kerman]

Brothers.

Where is the Calaber brothers?

It is. He has that. It literally exists.

[David Boyd]

Covered both sides.

[Langston Kerman]

No.

Right? That's the problem. You don't even know how thorough this man is. There's an auntie.

I'm hurting. I'm hurting. I'm hurting. You have to stop.

This man made all the stuff.

[David Boyd]

And you out here being like, it's hard.

[Langston Kerman]

It could be subjective. No, stop.

[David Boyd]

Here it is. Him being the devil to me does come down to more than content or anything. I think it's the way that he runs the ship that is the thing that I think that regardless of whether or not you enjoy it or you don't enjoy it, that is the sinister thread that we can all agree on.

[Langston Kerman]

Right?

[David Boyd]

That's the problem with Tyler.

[Langston Kerman]

He's saving insane amounts of money to hoard for himself by not paying people what they're worth and not unionizing. And more than that, he then even saves more and more money by forcing people to work hours that are far beyond reason to stay sort of like insular inside of this fucking dome that he built. It feels like we would be irresponsible to walk away from this episode and say that Tyler Perry is like, a good guy.

I just want to say if we. If Dave Langston and me die, we did not commit suicide.

[David Boyd]

100%.

[Langston Kerman]

I just want to say that right now.

[David Boyd]

We did not.

[Langston Kerman]

We did not kill ourselves. We did on this podcast. Wait a minute.

If they find my body on Tyler Perry Studios, I did kill myself. Anywhere else.

How has this show not been shut down? I don't even know.

[David Boyd]

I don't think anybody's paying attention. To be completely honest. Nobody is the same we really get to go over here.

[Langston Kerman]

It's going over here.

[David Boyd]

Going crazy.

[Langston Kerman]

They just say it.

Iheart supports this.

No, no. They've never listened to a single episode. Mr. James. Iheart has never plugged in the old headphones. Well, I think we did it. I think we've concluded all our positions on Tyler Perry, and they do seem vast and a little diverse. We have varying sort of scales of what we consider to be evil about him. Is that.

Yeah, it's just crazy that we said all this stuff and it's like we in this industry, do we want to work?

Yeah, I got a good feeling. I'll be okay.

Well, I mean, our good brother over here, English teacher Abbott. I mean, you living lights.

You was on Abbott before me.

Lights. Skin, Stary. Sweet. I don't know what we going. All right. Hey, hey.

[David Boyd]

Don't worry about me, baby. Yeah, yeah, I got my.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay, There you go. Leaving a. A black woman to fend for herself.

[David Boyd]

A Tyler Perry Dylan woman.

[Langston Kerman]

Right? You holding on his legs as he's trying to leave the house.

You know what? I'm ready. Telephone me.

[David Boyd]

Give her a call.

[Langston Kerman]

Give her a call. Sydney, before you. Before you go on down to the compound, will you tell. Will you tell us some cool shit

you got going on new, brand new podcast. Well, it's remixed, but it's called Mess. It's with me and your fave, Marie Foston on iHeart Big Money Players Network. And we just came out and I'm very excited to be a part of the family. And obviously I'm on Instagram. Please follow me. In order for me to get the promo and the brand deals that I deserve, I need more followers, so follow me.

I think that's fair.

Just Sid. Bw. I should be doing something with hair or makeup or, you know, if the lesbians follow this. I'm sure they don't, but if you do, Please follow me. JustSydBW.

[David Boyd]

We have some lesbians that come out.

[Langston Kerman]

We've had a few.

[David Boyd]

Three.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah, it's always. It's a girl and then her much more masculine.

Watch your mouth.

Watch your mouth. Masculine presenting girlfriend who is less happy to be there is usually the. It's like a small girl with glasses and who's very nice, very nice, very excited. And then a masculine presenting lady behind the camera being like, hey, y' all was cool.

[David Boyd]

But I have seen a couple times where it was a masculine lady and she put her small lady on.

[Langston Kerman]

Oh, nice.

[David Boyd]

Oh, yeah, I remember the shout to that couple. And

[Langston Kerman]

so it's Only one couple a show coming.

Yeah, usually do better.

Do better.

[David Boyd]

What can we do? You've heard what we talk about.

[Langston Kerman]

I saved the podcast. I don't think you know, you understand. They were looking for to be seen and that was me.

Oh, thank God.

[David Boyd]

Good job.

[Langston Kerman]

Hell yeah. And you can follow me at Langston Kerman. And we're still on the Start the Steel tour. We want you to come out to the next couple shows. We've got got Seattle, we've got Portland,

[David Boyd]

we San Francisco and San.

[Langston Kerman]

Okay, that's all the ones that I think we're probably gonna have.

[David Boyd]

Yeah, I think that's it.

[Langston Kerman]

Yeah. Should we.

[Bluff]

All right.

[Langston Kerman]

Well, yeah, anyway. And if you want to send us your own drops, your own conspiracy theories, if you want to tell us what Tyler Perry does for you, send it all to my mamapodmail.com we would love to hear from you. By the merch. Call your mom.

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