My Therapist Ghosted Me
Episode: Austin Butler, Cardi B & Dream Catchers
Hosts: Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally
Release Date: September 5, 2025
Episode Overview
In this lively and candid episode, Vogue and Joanne riff on the latest celebrity gossip, social observations, and personal confessions—with their signature blend of irreverence and warmth. The conversation jumps from holiday envy and Instagram doom-scrolling to tabloid fodder featuring Austin Butler, Cardi B’s court drama, and wild celebrity theories. Along the way, they weave in personal anecdotes, witty commentary, and even touch on deeper existential topics like death and legacy—always returning to humor as their coping mechanism of choice.
Key Discussion Points and Insights
1. Holiday Envy and Social Media Addictions
- [00:09 – 03:58]
- Joanne and Vogue tease about their off-air colleague’s endless holidays with two young kids.
- Social media “envy” is discussed frankly—Joanne admitting, “I was the jealous one… You jealous, bitch.” [01:28, Joanne]
- The duo reflect on Instagram’s ability to bring out insecurity, and discuss attempts to moderate screen time (using apps like Brick and Kip to lock down their phones).
- Joanne quips about feeling like “the Dalai Lama” for limiting Instagram at night, despite being glued to her phone all day.
2. Birthday “Admin” and Text Message Etiquette
- [03:58 – 06:43]
- Vogue dreads the “admin” of responding to birthday texts and thank-yous, referencing asking for donations to charity rather than gifts.
- Both hosts lament the expectation of long, enthusiastic responses, contrasting women’s texts to men’s dry “Happy Christmas. [full stop]” messages.
- Joanne jokes about sending out assistant-signed Christmas cards.
3. Celebrity Obsession: Austin Butler, Tall Men, and Crushes
- [07:45 – 11:19]
- Joanne quizzes Vogue’s new “full on” crush: Austin Butler, “stunningly beautiful” but perhaps lacking “the ride of a personality.” [10:56, Joanne]
- Discussion about societal obsession with tall men—“Tall men are the worst… You can have the face of a pig and they’d still be climbing up there,” Joanne laughs. [09:07, Joanne]
- They riff on the unfair beauty standards and “primal cave horn” desire for height.
- Gossip about Zoe Kravitz, Harry Styles, and PR-manufactured celebrity relationships.
4. Celebrity PR Relationships and Authenticity
- [11:19 – 13:46]
- Analysis of Pamela Anderson and Liam Neeson’s obviously staged romance: “She’s selling authenticity… then sells a bogus PR relationship…” says Joanne (12:04).
- Joanne discusses her time as a publicist and how PR relationships are used to promote films.
- Both mock the awkwardness seen in publicity stunts and note how effective they can be for box office success, pondering if they too should embark on a “romance for PR.”
5. Hair Journeys, Aging, and Society's Beauty Standards
- [13:15 – 14:54]
- The hosts discuss embracing gray hair, reluctance to let go of youth, and their own gray hair struggles.
- Joanne shares her “hair journey” after hair loss and expresses admiration for those who own gray hair.
- Vogue highlights the new trend for gray extensions but admits, “I don’t want to be gray either… I’m not doing this to my face to then be gray!” [14:02, Vogue]
6. Dreams, Melatonin, and Superstition
- [15:19 – 17:07]
- Both hosts share bizarre dreams, possibly influenced by melatonin.
- Joanne has a dream of Vogue with a “Friar Tuck” haircut, and Vogue describes worry-filled dreams about friends.
- Lighthearted superstition is discussed—does dreaming about death actually mean long life? (“It means you’re gonna die, Vogue,” Joanna jokes. [18:22, Joanne])
7. Cryonics and Fears of Death
- [18:39 – 20:38]
- Discussion of an article about people paying €50/month to cryo-preserve their bodies after death.
- Both find the notion bizarre and fear waking up alone in a strange, turtle-run future: “Don’t do it,” Joanne advises. [20:38, Joanne]
- Vogue confesses to becoming less afraid of death with every flight she takes.
8. Viral Tennis “Hat Theft” and Internet Outrage
- [21:23 – 25:00]
- Story of a CEO snatching a signed hat from a child at a tennis match, prompting a viral backlash and a plummet in his company’s online ratings.
- Joanne sarcastically observes, “Who are these puritans? Like, come on…” [23:46, Joanne]
- They muse that such things “would never happen at a darts match” and remark on expectations of CEO behavior.
9. Salma Hayek’s Famous Breastfeeding
- [25:23 – 26:13]
- Surprising fact: Salma Hayek breastfed another woman’s child on a charity mission, prompting Joanne to joke, “If Salma Hayek offered to breastfeed one of my children, who am I to say no?” [26:07, Joanne]
10. Cardi B’s Privacy Court Case
- [26:29 – 29:23]
- Cardi B successfully defends herself against a $24 million lawsuit after a security guard secretly took her video at a private gynecologist appointment.
- Praised for her measured response: “Let this be a lesson… If it happens again, I will countersue.” [28:13, Cardi B via Joanne]
- Joanne and Vogue note the rising trend of celebrities being sued simply because they have money, likening the incident to Gwyneth Paltrow's notorious case.
11. Book Clubs, Recommendations, and the Amanda Knox Show
- [29:36 – 32:58]
- Suggestions to involve listeners in a monthly “digital book club” around documentaries and series.
- Ongoing fascination with the Amanda Knox story, referencing the Disney+ show and related podcasts, and highlighting the difficulty of changing public opinion despite evidence.
- Newfound admiration for Sharon Horgan as an actress and producer.
12. Swiftie Theories & Gaylor Conspiracy
- [33:07 – 36:58]
- Taylor Swift’s suspected engagement to Travis Kelce: most fans are elated, but a large “Gaylor” subreddit continues to speculate about her sexuality.
- Joanne: “She doesn’t give me lesbian vibes. She never has.” [35:48, Joanne]
- Playful debate about celebrity sexuality speculation and how internet fandoms spiral with theories (striped dresses as ‘prison of her own sexuality,’ etc.).
13. Upcoming Tours and Wrap-up
- [37:07 – End]
- Joanne plugs tour dates, Vogue jokes about going, and they express gratitude to listeners.
- Final tease for their upcoming bonus episode.
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
- “I had to check myself… I was the jealous one. You jealous, bitch.”
Joanne, [01:28] - “Instagram can bring out the absolute worst in people.”
Joanne, [01:51] - “Moving the problem to a warmer place.”
Joanne, re: holidays with kids, [00:40] - “Kind of herding, as it were.”
Vogue, [00:47] - “Tall men are the worst… You can have the face of a pig and they’d still be climbing up there.”
Joanne, [09:07] - “I don’t want to be gray either… I’m not doing this to my face to then be gray!”
Vogue, [14:02] - “[Cryopreservation]… you’ll wake up in a wasteland of the world where it’s been taken over by turtles or something.”
Joanne, [20:38] - “If Salma Hayek offered to breastfeed one of my children, who am I to say no?”
Joanne, [26:07] - “Let this be a lesson… If it happens again, I will countersue.”
Joanne paraphrasing Cardi B, [28:13] - “She doesn’t give me lesbian vibes. She never has.”
Joanne, [35:48]
Key Timestamps
- 00:09 – Opening banter; holiday jealousy
- 01:51 – Instagram’s negative effects; attempts at digital detox
- 03:58 – Birthday “admin” and text etiquette
- 07:54 – Vogue’s secret crush: celebrity guessing game
- 10:51 – “Missing” qualities in handsome celebrities
- 13:15 – PR relationships in showbiz
- 14:54 – Opinions on going gray
- 17:07 – Melatonin and wild dream confessions
- 18:39 – Cryonics and death anxiety
- 21:23 – Viral tennis hat incident and societal outrage
- 26:29 – Cardi B court battle and privacy rights
- 29:36 – Amanda Knox TV series and popularity of recommendations
- 33:07 – Taylor Swift engagement; Gaylor subreddit conspiracy
- 37:07 – Show plugs and wrap-up
Tone and Style
As always, the tone is informal, boisterous, and unfiltered—with rapid-fire jokes, sarcastic asides, and an easy camaraderie. The hosts jump seamlessly from the deeply personal to the totally absurd, never shying away from calling out ridiculousness—whether their own, each other’s, or the world’s.
Summary
This episode is another classic entry in the "My Therapist Ghosted Me" canon: punchy, relatable, and peppered with celebrity intrigue. Listeners can expect laughs, honest admissions, and a whirlwind tour of everything from dream analysis and celebrity PR stunts to Cardi B's legal drama and Swiftie deep dives. It’s a perfect listen for anyone craving a dose of candid, hilarious reality therapy—and all the gossip you didn’t know you needed.