Brisbane, Madonna & "The matter is closed"

Summary

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Podcast Summary:

My Therapist Ghosted Me
Hosts: Vogue Williams & Joanne McNally
Episode: "Brisbane, Madonna & 'The matter is closed'"
Date: April 24, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode blends sharp-witted, honest commentary from Vogue and Joanne about mental resilience, the chaos of modern life, celebrity culture, viral drama, and the enduring pressure on women as they age. Joined by candid tales from their tours and home life, the hosts dissect topics ranging from Madonna’s iconic Coachella moment (and subsequent costume theft) to internet pile-ons, the resale clothing economy, and comedic takes on social judgement—delivered with trademark irreverence.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Opening: Mental Frazzle & Burnout

• Joanne opens candidly about experiencing total mental exhaustion while touring, forgetting notes and meetings despite medication, and feeling “flat” and disassociated.
  • Quote (Joanne, 01:28): “I've hit the biggest wall. I have nothing. It's like I've had my personality vacuumed out of my brain.”
• Vogue empathizes, describing her own nightly “shut-off” as a parent, highlighting the different mental loads between their lifestyles.

Viral Cleaning Videos & Domestic Guilt

• The hosts share their obsessions with Korean and American cleaning/organization influencer videos—delighting in the oddity, critiquing overconsumption, and admitting it sometimes stirs feelings of inadequacy in their own routines.
  • Joanne, 04:23: “I love to zone out and watch a Korean woman sanitize her apartment when she comes home in the evening.”
  • Vogue considers purchasing a UV shoe cleaner after binging these videos, leading to comic reflection on internet-fueled domestic one-upmanship.

Fashion, Guilt, and the Second-Hand Economy

• Joanne shares mishaps while shopping and attempting to offload clothes at a bougie Brisbane consignment shop (“they don’t take Zara”), sparking a conversation on designer guilt, storage woes, and consumerism.
  • Joanne, 12:23: “My suitcases now at capacity, and Kylie has to take stuff, J.J. the sound guy’s got a croc in his bag belonging to me—chaos.”
• Vogue plugs her own Vinted account, raising money for charity, and pokes fun at fashion “charity” as practiced by celebrities like Kim Kardashian.
• Discussion on fast fashion shame, selling vs. donating, and how social media increases material anxieties and perceived social obligations.

Madonna, Coachella, and Ageism

• Madonna’s Coachella appearance with Sabrina Carpenter is hailed as “life-altering” (Joanne, 26:13), and debated in context of ageism, societal expectations for women, and female resilience.
  • Joanne, 27:46: “People were going, oh, she’s the state of her, embarrassing, 67 in a lace outfit and thigh high boots. This is the problem with society…women are forced out, ‘you should just disappear and die.’”
  • The hosts celebrate Madonna’s nonconformity and ongoing fitness, critiquing double standards for aging female performers versus men.

Notable Segment: Madonna’s Stolen Costumes

• Discussion details Madonna’s stage outfits being stolen from a golf buggy at Coachella—a situation so surreal the hosts compare it to the Louvre robbery.
• Joanne jokes about the “reward” for returning the costumes, and they marvel at how Madonna’s outfits will eventually become museum pieces.

Coachella, Celebrity Culture, & Minimalism

• Reflections on Justin Bieber’s divisive, minimalist Coachella performance—Joanne describes him as making an “artistic decision” and links it to wider celebrity vulnerability and burnout narratives.

Corrections Corner: Chapel Roan Controversy

• Vogue provides a blow-by-blow of the social media pile-on against musician Chapel Roan, provoked by a footballer’s viral accusation (later proven false) involving his child at a meet-and-greet.
• Vogue, 36:48: “He created the biggest storm…and then realized, ‘oh fuck, I actually jumped the gun’…shitty statement…he didn’t even apologize.”
• Joanne lampoons “the matter is closed” apology trope and explores how public witch-hunts enable people to feel better about themselves by judging others.

Internet Negativity, Projection & Social Judgement

• Both hosts reflect on the dopamine hit of shared negativity online, the human tendency to project insecurities, and the rabid speed of groupthink takedowns—especially towards women.

Anecdotes: Tour Life & Absurd Offers

• Joanne describes being offered a solo ride on a pedal-pub as ‘rest’ while on tour, and the two riff on the realities of fatigue, random fan interactions, and being judged in public (e.g., Vogue’s perennial “airplane” rumors).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On burnout:
  Joanne, 01:28 — “I've had my personality vacuumed out of my brain. I'm almost tipping on a vegetative stage.”

• On internet cleaning videos:
  Joanne, 04:23 — “I love to zone out and watch a Korean woman sanitize her apartment when she comes home. It’s incredibly satisfying.”

• On Madonna’s Coachella moment:
  Joanne, 26:13 — “I found the performance life altering…phenomenal. She is a revolutionist.”

• On ageist standards:
  Joanne, 27:46 — “This is the problem with society. We are forced out. If you’re not…fuckable, you should just disappear and die.”

• On the Chapel Roan pile-on:
  Vogue, 36:48 — “He literally created the biggest storm about Chapel Roan, made the internet pile on her, and then you’ve realized, oh fuck…I actually jumped the gun.”

• On closing internet drama:
  Joanne, 31:01 — “Okay, okay, I stand correct on a couple of points. Everyone’s crying, the world is burning. I consider this matter closed.”

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• Mental burnout & show fatigue: 01:28–03:15
• Cleaning video obsession: 04:23–07:01
• Designer shopping, fashion guilt: 12:23–16:43
• Vogue’s Vinted for charity, fast fashion convo: 14:55–19:13
• Madonna at Coachella & outfit theft: 24:33–29:51
• Chapel Roan controversy breakdown: 34:55–38:44
• Internet pile-ons, projection, “the matter is closed”: 36:58–39:41
• Absurd tour stories (pedal-pub invite, fan encounters): 41:09–43:01

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Tone and Style

• Candid, irreverent, and self-deprecating with frequent comic tangents and honest reflection
• Blunt approach to personal struggles, societal critiques, and pop culture
• A blend of confessional therapy, solidarity among women, and outsider observations of fame and internet culture

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Summary

This episode typifies My Therapist Ghosted Me at its best: funny, unfiltered, and unafraid to break down taboos around mental load, female aging, and internet identity. Highlights include the hosts’ joint defense of Madonna against ageism, their dissection of viral social dramas (Chapel Roan, celebrity closets), and relatable, raw exchanges on burnout and public judgement. Joanne and Vogue’s chemistry grounds both weighty observations and the sardonic stories that serve as comedic therapy for them—and their listeners.

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For more, listen on Global Player or YouTube, and find Vogue’s “Vogue Williams 1” on Vinted for charity clothing sales.

Transcript

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[Vogue Williams]

Can I clear something up?

[Joanne McNally]

Is it a UTI?

[Vogue Williams]

If you start asking me for snacks, John McNally, you're dead.

[Joanne McNally]

I want screen time. Vogue. They're like, did you hear Vogue, William? She hijacked a plane and flew it into the co op. The older I get, I've decided to wear less and less clothes. By the time I'm doing my last tour in my 70s, I'm going to have a nipple tassel.

[Vogue Williams]

I'll get the OD comment from somebody being like bikinis at your age.

[Joanne McNally]

Okay, Okay. I stand correct on a couple of points. Everyone's crying, the world is burning. I consider this matter closed.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, this is done.

[Joanne McNally]

I don't even know where to start.

[Vogue Williams]

Let's start with hello and welcoming. Welcoming, hello and welcome to my therapist ghost with me. With me, V. Williams and Joanne McNally. Why'd you put on the shades? You're. You've nice makeup on.

[Joanne McNally]

I've hit the biggest wall. Mental wall in my. My. I am fried to. I forgot my laptop, my notes, several meetings. Even on the meds. I'm just. I've just. I've no. I have nothing. I have no energy. It's weird. I'm just gone. I'm flat. It's like I've been. It's like I've had my personality vacuumed out of my brain. I'm just. I'm like. I'm. I'm almost tipping on a vegetative stage.

[Vogue Williams]

I would say sometimes that just happens, though. Like, that will happen to me where I'm just like. I just. I have. I've that. Do you know what? That's. That happens to me around 7 o' clock every night. Like, I don't make that up. I just. I feel like every night at 7 o', clock, I'm like, I don't want. I can't no more. No more people.

[Joanne McNally]

You have a lot more going on

[Vogue Williams]

surrounded by people and noise.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, you've a lot more. I've no dependence, so you have a lot more going on. So I can understand by 7pm every day where you'd feel like that. Whereas I, I don't. So. And I pride myself on having a lot of mental resilience. Like I can go and go and go and I can work and work and work. But something shifted in me 24 hours ago and I'm telling you, I'm almost having. I'm. I think I'm dissociating. So anyway, your own body,

[Vogue Williams]

It's like,

[Joanne McNally]

it's just like nothing.

[Vogue Williams]

I can't really is a mental health podcast today.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, I don't have any mental health today. It's gone. I'm mentally incompetent. But it'll be fine. I think I just need to. It's just all the time zones and doing double shows and all like. And I'm not complaining as we know. I love my job. I don't even think of it as a job. I love it so much. However, like I say, there's a little bit of brain frazzle at the moment.

[Vogue Williams]

Anyway, I have to say I was excited to get. I was excited to get back to my job. Easter holidays were long and I was like, I need to in the nicest way possible. Like, you want to be. Like, I've loved spending so much time with the kids, but Jesus, like, I needed to get back to work. I couldn't wait to get back to work because this is like, I feel like when I'm working, like I kind of like I'm in shut off mode and like you're a bit more selfish because you're kind of just thinking of. Of yourself because you're working, you're doing your job and yeah, it's quite nice.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, I've had several emails.

[Vogue Williams]

Ax Jon McNally. You're dead. Give me.

[Joanne McNally]

I want screen time, folk. Put on Peppa Pig. Just ten more minutes.

[Vogue Williams]

Two more minutes.

[Joanne McNally]

Peppa Pig. Peppa Pig. She's still a hit in the house.

[Vogue Williams]

No. You want to see this? M sorry. Toan this mad that Gigi watches. It's like, like, it's like these children organizers, I mean, she didn't lick it off the ground. They are organizing their rooms and stuff like that. And Gigi love loves watching and loves watching the end when everything is all finished. I'm like, oh my God.

[Joanne McNally]

You should got. You should get her into the Korean Tick tock. I love to zone out and watch a Korean woman sanitize her apartment when she comes home in the evening. It's. It's incredibly satisfying. Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Do you know how close I've come To buying, to buying that thing that you, you. They put on their shoes. You know, the little, the light. Oh my God, the light that. They're like getting all the dirt off my shoes. And they, they, they like put this like blue light on their shoes to clean off the dirt. I don't know what it is.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm like, they come in, they're, they're, they're usually single women living in Korea, South Korea.

[Vogue Williams]

There's one in New York as well, Snow friends in New York.

[Joanne McNally]

They're highly organized. If we had to kind of, if we had to put them in a, in a pocket of Joanne Land or Vogue Land, they'd certainly be more swimming around the Vogue land. So they come in and they take their little shoes off and they put them in this little. Kind of like it looks like a microwave and it sanitizes the shoes. Now, I mean, the more I say it, I'm like, these women are clearly meant. They're mentally ill. Like, it's obviously some sort of germaphobe thing. Anyway, it's great content. And while I'm covered in my own crisp dust, in my room is chaos. And there's like human feces on the wall. I'll just watch for hours. These Korean women sanitize their. There's like ants and rats crawling out of the wardrobes and all. I'll just kind of focus, hyper focus on these women. Oh, there's like dry egg on the carpet. But then they put their phone in a little. It looks like a toaster. And then that sanitizes the phone and. Yeah, isn't it great, folk? Isn't it great?

[Vogue Williams]

There's also a woman that I watch. I don't know where she is, but the over consumption of the shite that she has. And I watch her like pack her daughter's lunchbox with all this like, mad stuff. And then she's packing to go to gym class and she might have about 10 different containers. One for bobbins, one for mints and chewing gums, one.

[Joanne McNally]

What the.

[Vogue Williams]

How. How does she have. I don't. It kind of, it kind of makes me feel a bit bad about myself because I'm like, I just, I feel like I feel like I'm as neat and tidy as I can be. But there's just no possible way to go further unless I buy the shoe cleaner, which I am considering it's in my basket.

[Joanne McNally]

I know who you're talking about. And again, I have fallen down that hell. I. I can't remember her handles. She helps us because obviously, the algorithm is very telling and toxic, and so it just keeps refeeding her. But like I said, it is. It is. I'm like, this woman has money to burn.

[Vogue Williams]

The thing about it is she. Money to burn. Her house is enormous. But, like, she spends a lot of time cleaning it all herself. And she's like, I'm going to reset my daughter's room. She's coming home from camp, and she does this, like, big, mad clean. And I'm like, I would have thought she would have had someone to do that for her.

[Joanne McNally]

So I'm confused sometimes, but she does. But it's. It's content she's making. She's a content creator. She's the woman who had the Stanley cup with, like, the bowl around us, the bath with all the or d' oeuvres and, like, little volon and all. There was like, basically, I love her. There's an attachment for the Stanley, which is basically like a huge kind of sharing place that attaches to the top. And then she fills it with Skittles and stuff and then takes herself off to the bath for a bubble bath. It's. Yeah. I mean, we could be reading.

[Vogue Williams]

Like, it must weigh about 3 kilos by the time she's done. She's just filling it with loads of snacks and. But I, like. I find myself. And they're always in America, the ones I watch this woman who built this whole, like, super bowl snack tray, and she, like, built it from scratch with, like, wood and everything. Like, it was amazing. Like, all these different things with where's what with what. She built this massive thing. Yeah. It must have been 2 meters by 2 meters. And she had all these slots for the drinks and then all these slots. And then she's just pouring all these different snacks in. And then, like, everybody comes in and helps themselves to the. To her super bowl snack tray. And I was like, where is she storing that snack tray? It's like, you with that ghost. We know where you store the ghost, but, like, the ghost that will never come out of storage.

[Joanne McNally]

Do you mean.

[Vogue Williams]

Do you remember the ghost?

[Joanne McNally]

I thought. I thought. I was like, oh, my God. She means one of my exes. You mean the actual physical ghost from my therapist goes to me the live tour that Kevin Carey and has stores in his stores in Dublin

[Vogue Williams]

tour again. We can actually use the same ghost.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's well protected. He all. Kevin Curry also has my Prosecco bottle from the Prosecco express store.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, I know he uses it. He's used it for his Christmas parties that I asked you on. She said, said I could use it for my Christmas.

[Joanne McNally]

I think he has. I. I'm almost sure he has the Baraka tube from the first Vicar Street I ever did. Thank you, Kevin.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, he has everything I've said.

[Joanne McNally]

It's my own personal vault for whatever I have done. I'm like Celine Dion. Do you remember Celine Dion? Have you heard about this? You know that she has a wardrobe out in the desert where she drives out and everything's kind of like motorized and stuff. Speaking of which, we get straight into the Madonna scandal.

[Vogue Williams]

Her outfits. Basically, Madonna did Coachella and she was on stage with Sabrina Carpenter, which was amazing. We'll get back to that. But she was wearing outfits that she had basically, like from her archive, these incredible outfits. And they were robbed when she was doing her set. Now, what I will say is very difficult to walk by a Madonna outfit, not steal it.

[Joanne McNally]

Wow.

[Vogue Williams]

Be tough. I can understand.

[Joanne McNally]

I can understand that the robbery first evoke. It always massively confuses me when you give context for a story. So again, I think it should be applauded, Joe. I think little rewards, very rare. Give her a gummy bear. Give her something to keep her going. Yeah. Give her a virtual. Give her a virtual high five like we do in Peloton. Give her a virtual high five.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Blows my mind. Those people who comes into the room talking. Have you ever met someone like that? They come in mid story and you have to kind of do a lot of the math yourself to figure out what's happened, what's happening and where in the story you're supposed to chip in.

[Vogue Williams]

My favorite thing to do is to walk in and hear someone talking and be like, what, what? What? Until they'll have to retell the whole story.

[Joanne McNally]

Sometimes I've got nothing to do with you. Yeah, I know. I just love a bit of gas. Sometimes I'm like, who's pregnant? And then they'll have to. They have to take 15 minutes to explain to me who they are. And then I'll be like, even though I don't know them. Or have you had the Vogue Spencer sandwich experience, Joe, where they both speak to you at the same time by different things, not with them. But I know what you mean. When two people, completely unaware, is talking and you feel rude to both of

[Vogue Williams]

them because you don't know who you're

[Joanne McNally]

supposed to reply to. You're like me, always me.

[Vogue Williams]

You're like, always me.

[Joanne McNally]

You're like those driver free cars in la. You have to make some moral. You have to make some moral decisions about who gets priority in that instant. Because you're like, do I kill Spencer's conversation or do I kill Vogue's conversation?

[Vogue Williams]

And usually I end up killing just talking about himself. So you can always go back to it.

[Joanne McNally]

You and me are talking about Venezuela. Are we?

[Vogue Williams]

You and I are talking about important things like the stride of Hormuz. And Spenny is just over in the corner showing us his abs again. We don't need to see that. We already know.

[Joanne McNally]

I think I bought a secondhand her muse the other day actually, in a. In a very nice secondhand designer shop in. In Brisbane. Is that. What. Is that what you mean? Amused?

[Vogue Williams]

You're gonna be parading that bag around. Everyone's gonna be like, look at you. On. She's doing really well. Look at her. Look at her. Her mess. Look at her.

[Joanne McNally]

By the way, Vogue, when we do eventually bring Ghosted Live back to Australia, which we will. We will be booking in a lot of additional time in Brizzy in Brisbane. It is. I. I don't know, it's hot. It's like. It's had some bougie explosion. It's like la. Now. Where I was staying was quite nice. We were staying. No offense to Brisbane, but I don't remember being this amazing.

[Vogue Williams]

I'm pretty sure you. No, I'm. I'm almost sure we've had this exact same conversation. The last time you were in Brisbane. I think every time you go to Brisbane, you're like, oh, shocked. God.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

What is this place?

[Joanne McNally]

It's like Beverly Hills shopping. Now. I was in one area called Fortitude, which is like super bougie, but. Wow. Wow, wow, wow. Anyway. And stunning weather and everything. Anyway, there was this little Aussie, not little, this shop called Swap, where they take secondhand designer stuff. I actually tried to flog at them, but. Because I went in shopping in the next day because my suitcases now at capacity and when I. When I say our capacity, I mean. Yeah, over additional capacity. And Kylie has to take stuff and jj, the sound guy has to take stuff in his bag and JJ's got like, you know, a croc in his bag belonging to me and all this. So I actually went in to try and sell them a load of my clothes. They're like, yeah, we don't take. We don't take. Zara. This is. This is a designer shop. Okay. Okay. Excuse me.

[Vogue Williams]

This is vintage, Ms. Selfridge. Yeah, vintage.

[Joanne McNally]

You're obviously not familiar with Penny's work

[Vogue Williams]

because if you were,

[Joanne McNally]

you'd be very committed to be taking my line of Primark stuff. But, but anyway, there was this insane handbag and then in the shop there was some Irish women who were coming to the show that evening and they were like, are you getting the bag? Are you getting the bag? And I got really self conscious then

[Vogue Williams]

that I was sent me.

[Joanne McNally]

Yes. This insane handbag, this Balenciaga handbag. And, and Nikki doesn't really like me to wear any other brands except Francis Preoccupied. But I'm like, please, please, can I please wear.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, I prefer the Barrel of Banks just Preoccupied by the way, to the

[Joanne McNally]

one that I sent you.

[Vogue Williams]

I do.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. No, no, I know. It's a bit much, isn't it? It's like a clown bag. It's like a clown.

[Vogue Williams]

So hang on, you went in to sell clothes because you've too many clothes and everyone's having to take your clothes everywhere, but you decided to buy clothes instead is what's happened.

[Joanne McNally]

No, no, reverse. Reverse. I went in to buy clothes knowing I've. And then the next day felt guilty about my, about my, my, my capitalist consumerism. And then I was like, you know what I'll do? I'll close back into the system. So I went back in with a load of my clothes and they were like, we don't want any of this trash. Get out now. They did take a couple of things off me, which makes me feel less guilty about buying blah blah. Anyway, the women.

[Vogue Williams]

I actually. Sorry, I have to, I have to do. I have to do a little plug here because I have a vented account and I've just uploaded more stuff on it and basically my last load that I did, I made four grand for charity and nice. You know, every clear rate that I do. Yeah, it really, it really works. I was like, this is amazing. So I charity my bank account and she sent it all there.

[Joanne McNally]

I was gonna say the charity is the Giant Crustacean. The Giant Crustacean Charity.

[Vogue Williams]

No, I have two charities that I'm choosing between and neither. And neither are the charity of Vogue Williams. They are all separate entities and real. Because I'm gonna do like loads of different ones. I think Amber's furious because she doesn't believe in charity and she doesn't get to have a little look at the stuff before it goes to fitted. So everything that is on vinted is, is solely for, for everybody to buy. Let me, let me find my vintage.

[Joanne McNally]

Sorry, hang on.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay, so it is Vogue Williams 1. Oh, how different Stinger.

[Joanne McNally]

That you couldn't get Vogue. I can see why you couldn't remember it.

[Vogue Williams]

Vogue Williams was already taken.

[Joanne McNally]

By who?

[Vogue Williams]

Listen, I don't know. It's actually. Have you ever seen my website? I'm trying to buy a website at the moment.

[Joanne McNally]

That's Amber trying to make sure you don't set up a vinted account so she can get all your clothes.

[Vogue Williams]

She's trying to sell me the vintage name Vogue Williams. She's like, if you want Vogue Williams.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Five grand.

[Joanne McNally]

I remember years ago, when I was only kind of. I just moved to London. This was back in my mushroom toilet days when there was mushrooms growing at the back of the toilet. No. And before I started buying knockoff Balenciaga handbags full of guilt and trying to hide the price from the Irish girls in the queue behind me. It's secondhand. Second hand.

[Vogue Williams]

Doesn't count. Doesn't count.

[Joanne McNally]

I was like, dad. And they're like, joanne, we don't care. You're grand.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

But anyway, I do have a lot of guilt about stuff like that, but I tried to sell some of my clothes on Depop or something, I can't remember. And a girl messaged me and she was like, you shouldn't be selling your clothes for yourself. You should be giving the money to charity. Like, I. E. I was like, I don't know what you. I don't know how much money I am. I'm living in a shared house with 14 other women and there's mushrooms going out the back of my toilet. Like, I'm not. I'm not. Kim K. You know, like, I could actually do it myself. I'm doing mostly open spots.

[Vogue Williams]

Sorry.

[Joanne McNally]

Working for free.

[Vogue Williams]

Kim K. Sorry. The Kardashian closet. Kim gives it. No, Kim gives it to her auntie and her auntie sells it and her auntie keeps the money. That's.

[Joanne McNally]

I was wondering.

[Vogue Williams]

Kim doesn't. Yeah, that's not. I don't think that's a charity thing. And a Joe double check.

[Joanne McNally]

But I'm sure we haven't allegedly on that.

[Vogue Williams]

No, Because I'm sure she said that. She said that on an episode of the Karashians that her auntie sells it for her and then her auntie keeps the money.

[Joanne McNally]

And like, we are, you know, we are in a. We're more like aware now about fast fashion, all that. So I'm like, I'd rather. And I. And I'd rather make. And these are decisions I'm able to make. Buy less, but, like, slightly nicer bits. But I do feel because I have a student soul, at the end of the day I am. And I feel guilty when I spend money. I feel guilty about it. Makes me feel like. But since that woman pulled me up, of course then I obviously had to donate the money to charity. I think I made like 60 quid or something. Yeah. Imagine ringing up UNICEF, they're like, Ah, thanks. But anyway, so since then I've always done that.

[Vogue Williams]

That's for me. Just so you know. That's Joanne McNally. Yeah, that's from me. You can send me a letter in

[Joanne McNally]

the post, send me the way. Send me a photo of the wing when I got it. But since then I have always, in fairness I have when I sell clothes. Except the other day when I. I actually in Australia, I used the money to buy that handbag. But what I was going to say was there is currently a sale of the. There's kind of the. The remnants of a closed sale for. On second row, which is they sell in commas, celebrity second hand clothes. And all the money goes to the United Palestinian appeal. So there you go. There you go. Are we. Are we saints? Is that what we are? Are we just saints? Joe, your chosen charities. Joe, on Globals, make some noise.

[Vogue Williams]

Of course, on the subject of Kardashian closet. Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

It suggests that a portion goes to

[Vogue Williams]

charity, but primarily it goes back into the family purse. Can you. Do you know how much some of the is on there? I was like, oh my God, I want to own some of something. Kim Kardashian. And then I was like, jesus Christ. I don't even think that caught. Like it doesn't cost that even at retail I will not be purchasing.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, funnily you bring that up. I was in another second hand designer shop that I frequent when I'm in the Americas.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

And I went in and I was looking at the stuff and it's like they would have taken my Zara Bits now and furnished to them, but they do say they sell like kind of high end and then they also sell it just like normal. Right now the stuff is in good condition versus the actual original price. There was literally a tenor office. A tenor. I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not, I'm not being conned here.

[Vogue Williams]

Can I clear something up?

[Joanne McNally]

Is it a uti?

[Vogue Williams]

No, it is not a uti. Although I always have a prescription on the ready just in case because it is one of the most painful and annoying things that a woman can ever have. Painful. It is absolutely. I'd rather thrush but now saying that I don't get thrush, so I don't. Touch wood. Remember, I'm not a thrush girl. Remember you're not the other day. And I say that a loss.

[Joanne McNally]

You have a great PH balance. It's on your Wikipedia.

[Vogue Williams]

I do.

[Joanne McNally]

Great ph. Vaginal. Vaginally. Mentally, not so much, but vaginally. Very balanced. So that's what it says.

[Vogue Williams]

So one of my best pregnancy compliments that I've been getting, people are sending me now, when I say people, I've seen four, but still, four is a lot. Four is a lot. They've been saying that you should. You shouldn't get Botox when you're pregnant.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, I'm too lighter for you folk. I'm too lighter for you.

[Vogue Williams]

Thank you. Because I've been thinking to myself, I'm going to have to wear a tight pony to pull the head back. And when I saw them, I was like. Because this woman, and she's a doctor as well, so I know she's been a snake. Because also when I looked back at her messages, one of them was really abusive about Botox. Also when I was pregnant, so I didn't even have it then either. And she's like, are you, like, get Botox when you're pregnant? You're a doctor. Anyway, I said, no, you're not, sadly. And so. Thank you.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, you engaged?

[Vogue Williams]

I have not been getting Botox.

[Joanne McNally]

You engaged with the accusations. You engaged?

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, yeah. Well, I know. Do you know what I did? I actually said, no, unfortunately not. And then I looked at her message and then I saw the one above it slagging off my Botox in a different message. And I was like, oh, you're not being kind, actually.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

And then I was like, hang on. And I didn't have. Yeah. And I didn't have Botox in the previous one as well, because it was also when I was pregnant. I cannot remember the last time I've had Botox because you're not allowed to have it. No one will touch you. I can't even get a laser to my face. Like, nothing. You can get nothing. Barely get a hair dye.

[Joanne McNally]

I could probably sort that for you Vogue if you wanted. Have some contacts, you remember. Do you remember? I'm on the dark. Do you remember? At the Dark Web on my laptop. Pretty sure I can get you a bit of pregnancy Botox.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, wow. No. Can you imagine something happened and you're like, oh, what happened? Oh, well, I actually just. I. I really needed Botox. And then People like, stop.

[Joanne McNally]

I know.

[Vogue Williams]

No real forgiving of that.

[Joanne McNally]

Have you ever laughed at something you definitely shouldn't have? Like, you know it's bad, but you

[Vogue Williams]

just can't help it. That's basically the entire premise of our podcast. Shouldn't laugh. But with me, Laura Smith and me, Carmen Butcher, we get into those moments that are a bit awkward, a bit chaotic and yeah, sometimes a bit wrong, but very funny. Think wild confessions, questionable decisions, and the kind of stories you probably shouldn't admit out loud, but we do anyway.

[Joanne McNally]

It's the stuff you'd normally only say to your closest mates, if that.

[Vogue Williams]

Where can you get us from?

[Joanne McNally]

Comms, Listen and watch on global player, YouTube or wherever you get your podcast.

[Vogue Williams]

Very good.

[Joanne McNally]

In the interest of finishing stories, which is one of our big, big goals for 2026 Coachella in general now it's called the Influencer Olympics. We have no interest in going. However, this is the first year I was like, like, oh, this is kind of interesting. So Justin Bieber, I'm sure you're aware, did, did a controversial performance. We would say he's paid. He was paid the most of any Coachella act ever. I'm pretty sure he's his own age.

[Vogue Williams]

Five mil. Yeah. Five mil a weekend.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. So 10. He was paid 10. 10 million. And he negotiated himself and it was this very pared back performance where it was him and playing old YouTube videos and I saw him standing beside his younger self. I'm assuming that was AI and I'd gone down a hole, I don't know. But people were kind of saying it was boring and it wasn't enough. And then other people were saying it was perfect because it was like kind of. What's the term I'm trying to use for. What's the term when people don't clutter up their houses? It's like reduced. Minimalist. Minimalist, yeah. That they're saying he's obviously had, as most child stars do, some form of nervous breakdown in his past and has kind of managed to fix himself, come back, he's sober now, he's clean. And that this wasn't a, you know, Beyonce style, like pyrotechnic Bungie jumping in, firing himself out of a canon performance. It was like kind of pared back and it was really sweet and lovely

[Vogue Williams]

and great and it took him a lot to get there. Hailey Bieber said it took, it took a lot to get there. And actually when you look behind all of us, actually maybe that's just what he was up for at that stage. And maybe he'll make his bigger comeback another time. And, like, this is him stepping his. His foot back in.

[Joanne McNally]

I think headlining Kawachata is a pretty. That's a comeback in itself. He's made an artistic decision. He's like, I'm not going big. I'm not gonna big dick swinging. I'm gonna pair it back. I also think there's something over song rights because I think he ran out of money and he sold his entire back catalog. So I don't think he actually owns a lot of his own songs. Now. Don't quote me on that, because obviously I haven't. That's one. No, he doesn't.

[Vogue Williams]

That's true.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He doesn't know.

[Vogue Williams]

No, that is true. He. Yeah, so he couldn't. He wasn't actually allowed to play them. It's like, when I went to see Pitbull, he wasn't allowed to play. Like, he couldn't really play the whole song because obviously other people had signed over it and stuff. So they were like, really short songs. Well, it's kind of like that, but not really. You know what I mean? I think Coachella, though, like, it does look fun. It's crazy expensive. People seem to absolutely adore it. I loved Madonna coming on with Sabrina Carpenter. It is a shame someone nicked her stuff. I mean, come on, It's Madonna. Like, seriously, that's all her back catalog of amazing stuff that she will. That. That. That stuff will go on. This is nearly as bad as the Louvre robbery because that stuff will go on. On. On show. Like, Madonna will eventually have this huge museum where all of her cool stage outfits, because she is, like, she's iconic, and all of her stuff that she's worn and she's done is. Is iconic. And she looked amazing on stage with Sabrina Carpenter.

[Joanne McNally]

Well, can I say I found the performance life altering. And I know that's. Yeah, I know that's a big swing. I know it's a big swing. I honest to God, I didn't know it was happening because I'm in my own little, you know, tour bubble, and I. I was. Came on stage and doing my usual doom scroll, and I had no idea they were planned on collaborating. I don't think anyone did. I think they're kind of surprise. She was a surprise guest. It was phenomenal. Phenomenal.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Now, I'm not. I'm gonna mention her age, but I'm not. I'm mentioning her age so that I can circle back about the fact it's not about her age. Right. But obviously I have to bring her age into it to say it's not about her age. She's 67 years of age. Right? She's up there.

[Vogue Williams]

She's 67.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, yeah. And Sabrina is like conscious. Prina is only 26.

[Vogue Williams]

20. Do you know how bad that made me feel about myself when I found out she was 26? I'm like, look what she has achieved.

[Joanne McNally]

I know.

[Vogue Williams]

Think about where we were, Joanne. We were in the same place. Yeah, we were.

[Joanne McNally]

In fairness, I'd say she's been working. I'd say she's. She's a Disney kid. I'd say she's been working since she was three months old. Do you know what I mean? So, like she's 26 chronologically, but like business wise, I'd say she's in her late 70s at this stage. Do you know what I mean? She's had a lot of Minnelli style

[Vogue Williams]

career already, but Madonna's that Madonna has been working that hard for her whole career as well. And I was saying when I saw her, I went to see her twice and she did this unbelievable, like one of the best shows I've ever been to. I did not know she was 67. Like how she was doing that night after night after night is just wild.

[Joanne McNally]

Do you not remember there was one, one tour that she did part of the routine when she did like 60 squats in the middle of these, like jumping squats. I want to say it was to. Time is slowly. And so she's always been into fitness and the Kabbalah and all the rest of it, but people were obviously. And then people were going, oh, she's the state of her embarrassing.67 in a lace outfit and thigh high boots, everything. And this is the problem with society because women are. We are forced out. It's like you hit a certain age and you know this. Like you're not in a Verted comments. Fuckable, as they say, Joe. And it's like, how dare you? You should just disappear and die and go off and like drown yourself in a pond. And it's. Men do it, but women do it as well. And I feel like it's the women who are like, hold on a second. If I've prayed by the rules and gone off and disappeared, you should too. Or if I'm too embarrassed on a lace corset, you should be too. If I'm playing by the reels, you should be too. It was, it was iconic. I've watched it 16 times. I absolutely loved It. And also, I'll say this, Sabrina Carpenter, she can sing. I didn't know that she. Yeah, I didn't know. I knew she could sing. Obviously I know she all singers.

[Vogue Williams]

She's unbelievable.

[Joanne McNally]

I didn't know the pipe she had on her. I'm sorry now, I had no idea. And I'm. I'm sorry, Sabrina. I hadn't really thought about it, to be honest. I hadn't given it much thought. But anyway, so then what happened then was they had Madonna's clothes on a golf buggy driving it back across Coachella, and whoever was driving the buggy left the Boogie. I don't know why they obviously. I don't know why they went and someone stole the clothes off the Boogie. So they're saying that the people who stole the clothes didn't actually know they were Madonna's clothes. Like she wasn't targeted, they just stole. They were in like, you know, suit bags or whatever, and that there's other stuff that they stole as well. So anyway, now she's offered a reward of which I can't remember how much. Joe, can you check?

[Vogue Williams]

So I remember Lady Gaga when her dogs got robbed and she offered this massive reward. I don't know if she ever got the dogs back. Did she.

[Joanne McNally]

Did she get the dogs back in the end? She must have got the dogs back.

[Vogue Williams]

I think she got the dogs back. Can I say one thing about Madonna as well, with the lace outfit? Lace outfits aside, do you not feel like that, like. Like I'll get the odd comment from somebody being like bikinis at your age? I can't wear a. My mom is still rocking around in bikinis. She's older than Madonna. And like, I think that that's it. What, so what your business, what anybody else wears and whatever you're saying to me is just a reflection of how you feel about yourself.

[Joanne McNally]

Exactly. The Internet is riddled with. Well, the world is riddled with internalized misogyny where women will project their own stereotypes and prejudices about women onto women because ultimately they're like, well, hold on, I played ball. So, for example, a woman's given out to you for wearing a bikini. She's. She's like, well, how could I? I used to feel self conscious in a bikini. So you. I'm trying to make you feel in a bikini. Yeah. You know, I remember years ago, I was so horrified by. I'd load so much body hair. I was like a little. I was like a little furry bear. And there was. And I was so obsessed with getting rid of it. And then a friend of mine, much to my shame, I've never forgotten it. She. We were young. Like, we were only like early teens. And she had really light hair on her legs.

[Vogue Williams]

Legs.

[Joanne McNally]

And I kind of said, oh, look, you've got hair in your legs. Because I was like, hold on. Why am I. Yeah. She was like, why are you pointing it out? And I was like, I don't know. I guess I'm. I guess I'm projecting because I feel like I'm not. I'm not allowed have it. So I. I guess kind of, I'm jealous or bothered the fact that you will just like have her and why don't you go around yourself? Yeah. Why do you feel like about yourself. I'll never forget it. It was a real. It was a real learning. Learning point.

[Vogue Williams]

But it is like, you know, when you see. But you know, even sometimes now, like, I'm not saying. I'm not saying all the time, but sometimes I'll see things online. Like people online and they're doing something or they have something in their house, and I'm like. And then I'm like, oh, hang on a second. That is literally me just being jealous of that thing.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Because I don't have it. And like, stop being a kid. Like, just because they. It doesn't mean that, like, you need it. Yeah, I know. And you just. I think people forget to check themselves a little bit and then they totally lose the run of themselves.

[Joanne McNally]

We can all. You can feel the feelings. But to act on the feelings and actually contact people and stuff and actually put up comments, that's a different, you know, that's a kind of a step. That's an extra additional step. But everyone's just project on everyone else.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah, but people then lose the run of themselves. Like, you know, the people who've been caught out in tat and stuff like that. That's like when people have descended into complete madness and they have literally they are getting this, like, hit off, like slacking someone off, and they just can't stop themselves then, and they just have descended into madness.

[Joanne McNally]

It's the dopamine. It's a dopamine hit. Because there were. There's studies done where they say people are actually. They're likely to connect over a shared negative opinion rather than a shared positive opinion. So.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

Do you know what I mean? Like, for example, if I met a girl on a night out and we both absolutely hated Joe. We, you know, we, We. We'd bond about that and because. And, and the kind of the dopamine and the. And you feel so alive because you have all these strong feelings about something and it's negative and it kind of. I know it's. It's firing off like all these, like the. Your brain kind of reacts really well to it. It's terrible. It's terrible. It's a terrible part of us.

[Vogue Williams]

It is.

[Joanne McNally]

But listen, we're human beings. What I was gonna say was the Madonna thing. She is a revolutionist. She is. The term iconic gets thrown around a lot. I saw it used for like some. She is iconic dog's tie. The other day I was like, come on now. That's not. That's not iconic. You can't put a hat on a hamster.

[Vogue Williams]

Well, what's the tie look like? And was it on the dog?

[Joanne McNally]

It wasn't. It was on the dog. Yeah, it was. It was. It was a string tie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was. It was on the dog. I was like, that's not iconic. Okay. You can't put a beret in a frog and call it iconic. But Madonna is iconic. And I will say, the older I get, I've decided to wear less and less clothes. So by the time I'm doing my last tour in my 70s, I'm gonna have a nipple tassel and a merkin. If you do find Madonna's bits and bobs and you decide to give them back to her, she has not specified the reward. But you'd. You'd feel pretty hard done by if she gives you sort of well equipped with that would.

[Vogue Williams]

I think she's going to give you a slap in the face. Come on, what's she gonna do? Like you'd be raging with somebody like, give me that market, jerk.

[Joanne McNally]

I'm more concerned with where the whereabouts of Malaysian Airlines and Nancy Guthrie. However, I will be keeping an eye on the Madonna story. Also,

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[Vogue Williams]

Let's do a corrections corner while we're talking about Internet. Chapel Roan. Remember the story about Chapel Roan where the footballer basically said Chapel Roan security? Chapel Roan sent my security her security up to my daughter who's 11 years old and they were really horrible to her. And this is disgraceful from Chapel Rome, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he literally had said it point to point in a statement confirmed that this had most definitely happened. There was no doubting it. He had, he had understood absolutely everything. And so everyone was like, oh my God, Chopper Ron's a dick. And even I was like, oh my God, why would she be so mean to an 11 year old child? Because this guy is like so sure that this had happened and he's in the public eye himself and blah, blah, blah. So he comes out with a statement after Chapel Roan has been dragged through the mud after all those memes basically calling her Miss Trunchbull and everything. And he has. There was loads of horrible memes about it, saying that she like pretty much ace children, you know what I mean? It was just. Yeah. But then he comes out and he's like, she'd no knowledge of what took place at breakfast and had not asked anyone to approach my stepdaughter. She was understanding and sympathetic to what had happened to our child and no apology. And then finished it by saying, as far as I'm concerned, this matter is closed. So you literally created the biggest storm about Chapel Rome, made the Internet pile on her, and then you've realized, oh fuck, I actually jumped the gun too quickly. He needs to go and talk to Colleen Rooney because she at least really hung around and made sure that everything that she was doing was right. And he literally just, you're right. Went straight in, hopped on it. He wasn't even there. But shitty statement. He didn't even apologize to her.

[Joanne McNally]

The pylon that he caused.

[Vogue Williams]

As far as I'm concerned, this matter is closed. I'm sure it is to you because you didn't get the level of abuse thrown at you that Chapel Roan did.

[Joanne McNally]

That's, that's a very, that's a very, actually, that's actually a very vogue wrap up of an apology. I've caused chaos here. Okay, okay, I stand correct on a couple of points. Everyone's crying, the world is burning. I consider this matter closed.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay, yeah, I've stolen Madonna's clothes, but I've given them back. As far as I'm concerned, the matter is now closed.

[Joanne McNally]

This matter is closed. But folk. No, no, this matter is closed. I've said my piece. Matter clouds.

[Vogue Williams]

Okay, fine, I set off a nuclear. I've set off a nuclear bomb, but I didn't mean to do it. And now the matter is closed. Closed?

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Half the world, but the matter is closed.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, I've nuked out. But. But as far as I'm concerned, this matter is closed.

[Vogue Williams]

Oh, even I. Even I'm not that grim. Come on. Even I'm not that bad. I actually matter. But he was so, so sure that he, like, exactly adamant that this had happened to his child, blah, blah. And it's like, oh, my God. And you, like. I was like, God, she is a bit of a dick. And then I saw that, and I'm like, on a second. He's a dick.

[Joanne McNally]

I call it the empathy Olympics. People love to think the worst of other people. They love to think. Because I think ultimately we're all scared that we're all. We're actually ourselves. So when someone acts in a way that you can judge and criticize like that, it makes you feel better about yourself, you know? And then. And so that's why people are so quick to judge, especially celebrities. I'm sure Chapel is a lovely woman. She's just living her life, doing her bits and her bobs. I've had women mess. I had a woman messaged me once, and she's like, I heard. I've heard you're awful in real life. Is it true? I was like, what? And I was like, I'm not in get. Like, you know, everything you want. You want to write back.

[Vogue Williams]

It's like, okay, Joanne, I've been spreading rumors about you behind your back. I'm sorry, but the matter's closed.

[Joanne McNally]

Oh, I was in the matter. This matter is closed. I stopped you. Okay, fine, I did it. It. But the matter is closed. You've been stitched up. What are you complaining about? The matter is closed. I don't. There was a woman. It's another way. Because there's like a. Like, there's that kind of, you know, that strange, parasocial relationship we're all in with people, each other, whatever. And I was in Auckland the other day, and I w. Pat a woman. And she went, there's Ron McNally. Now, usually when that happens, we would stop. I would turn around and be like, oh, hey. Because I'm actually not Say hello.

[Vogue Williams]

Yeah.

[Joanne McNally]

And I would say, hey. And I turned around. I stopped. And she just kept.

[Vogue Williams]

She is. But you didn't hear from me, right? The motor's closed.

[Joanne McNally]

It was so funny. She just kept going. And here was me be like, hi. Oh, God.

[Vogue Williams]

Mortified.

[Joanne McNally]

She's just like, there's a car, there's a truck. There's Jerome McNally see what you say, what you see. On to the next thing, couldn't give a. She's like, I don't want to, I don't want to talk to you. I'm just saying what I see. I'm busy. Got my life to live.

[Vogue Williams]

Once something. Yeah, but, but once something's thrown at you, that's it. Like, I will never stop hearing comments about me on airplanes. And I'm like, oh, I'm literally, I am literally the nicest person. And I'm like, you know what? I might as well. Who gives a. I might as well start hijacking planes at this point. Because, yeah, everyone already thinks. But it's all, it's like. And I'm like.

[Joanne McNally]

They're like, she hijacked a plane and flew it into the co op. Did you hear me? There was. Well, there was someone. There's someone out. There's someone else getting he.

[Vogue Williams]

I hope she booked seats for her kids.

[Joanne McNally]

There's someone else. Chapel round stylist made some poor individual

[Vogue Williams]

move seats for her.

[Joanne McNally]

No, it's not actually chapel round, it's Zendaya. Zendaya, whose surname I actually don't know, but she's like Madonna to me. She just goes by Zendaya, her stylist. I, I think, I believe they did a tweet about the fact that they'd paid for a first class ticket and the seat didn't recline with Delta and they like did a, like a public twee it and of course you just, you know, like, you just, you just don't like, send an email.

[Vogue Williams]

No.

[Joanne McNally]

Send an email.

[Vogue Williams]

I know you currently can't afford your electricity bills, but my seat would not recline in first class.

[Joanne McNally]

So. Vogue. As you know, when you're on the road and you're going in and out of cities and towns, people will very soundly and kindly sometimes offer you whether, I don't know, like for me it's usually facials and wine. That's usually. And I, and I go and I, I accept all of us. I love a complimentary facial. And it's. They're all Irish women running the clinics around Australia. So I'm in and out like a fiddler's elbow. But there's got this message from this, this company called the Traveling Tavern. Like, hey, Joanne, we know you're coming to Sydney. It looks like you've been working really hard. You might need a bit of a break. I'm the founder of the Traveling Tavern, a pedal powered pub that rolls around Sydney. 15. 15 seats. I was like, so I said, shauna, her name's Sh. So you're, you're, you, you, you're like, God, this woman looks exhausted. Tell you what she needs now, a day pedaling a pub around Sydney on her own. I don't have 15m. Jonah, you. She goes. A perfect way to warm.

[Vogue Williams]

What the. Firstly, you love the peloton.

[Joanne McNally]

I do.

[Vogue Williams]

You love the peloton. You love having a little drink and you love, love people watching.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah.

[Vogue Williams]

Your favorite things all in one.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah. She knows she has a point. Thank you, Shauna, for the kind offer, but I, I just feel like on my downtime, I might do like kind of a sound bow class and not pedal a pub around Sydney. It really made me laugh. She's like, you look really tired. We can help.

[Vogue Williams]

There is nothing worse. You look wrecked.

[Joanne McNally]

Yeah, well, she did. No, she didn't say that. Now, in fairness, she was like, you look like you're working hard, hard. But I just, I was like, I, I. There's something that makes me laugh. The idea of me cycling myself, just me, just me pedaling a solo, pedaling a poor in Sydney by myself, just drinking and crying before the show to get myself in the mood.

[Vogue Williams]

I wouldn't even look twice if I saw you doing that. I wouldn't look twice. I'd be like, oh, there goes John. I wouldn't be that surprised. I just wouldn't.

[Joanne McNally]

Cardio and drinking you have to do once. You offset the other. It's not a bad idea, Shauna. So thank you. That's it for this week. Thanks as always, for listening and for your support. We'd love it if you would like and subscribe. And also, just as a reminder, we are on YouTube if you'd like to have a little look at Vogue's house and my fake freckles.

[Vogue Williams]

This has been a global player original production.

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